voice-chat-text-0

[rugged root]

I'm back to not being sure what to make

This annoys me

[woeful wyvern]

Perhaps a small device...

[rugged root]

Yeah you're right, I see it

[gentle flint]

@young matrix thou echoeth most bounteously

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bounteously

@woeful wyvern

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[woeful wyvern]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/okotebikow

[maiden skiff]

I'm so tired😫

I only slept three hours in two days

[gentle flint]

well go to bed then

[maiden skiff]

I'm working

[amber raptor]

@rugged root Their game doesn't make any sense

[rugged root]

How so

[amber raptor]

the game mechanics are messy

[rugged root]

Fair

I don't have a lot else to do right now, though

[amber raptor]

I wrote some code against it

What is confusing about dotenv?

[rugged root]

It's not loading stuff. Unless I'm trying to do it wrong

Yep

I'm a moron

[amber raptor]

one second

import dotenv
dotenv.load_dotenv()```

it will read .env file

[rugged root]

So mad at myself

Got a meeting

[amber raptor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_aren't_gonna_need_it

[rugged root]

Not a bad philosophy

[woeful wyvern]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/okotebikow.py

[vocal basin]

I think it should at least be saved somewhere

to join later

> global lpfn
any concrete reason why?

what do you mean by "it does not work"?

[whole bear]

What is this used for?

@woeful wyvern

[vocal basin]

if lpfn is not used anywhere else, and start is never run in parallel, global doesn't affect the behaviour

[whole bear]

So keybinds

[woeful wyvern]

https://github.com/antudic/QuicKCo

[vocal basin]

does removing it right now break the program?

[woeful wyvern]

20

[vocal basin]

what is the purpose of hookId?

stopping the threads?

where is _listener.start()/_listener.stop() used?

driver should probably be passed to __init__

instead of setting it this way

it seems to make sense to turn QuickCo.loadConfig into a factory method

QuickCo.from_config

that would return an instance of QuickCo

to avoid this

[vocal basin]

with all these being arguments to __init__

!d int.from_bytes

[wise cargo]

int.from\_bytes

classmethod int.from_bytes(bytes, byteorder='big', *, signed=False)```
Return the integer represented by the given array of bytes...

[vocal basin]

example of a factory method

[stuck furnace]

Is a factory, as you're using the term, the same thing as an alternative constructor?

[vocal basin]

it is implied, that it's a classmethod

[vocal basin]

there are differences
factories often are dependent on some other constructor/factory

I think some languages like C# can allow two totally separate constructors, but not sure

they often seem to just end up delegating the work to another constructor anyway

[vocal basin]

(not staticmethod)

class SomeClass:
    @classmethod
    def from_something(cls, something) -> Self:
        return cls(something.field, something.method())

cls is a class not an instance

it is

!e

from typing import Self

class SomeClass:
    @classmethod
    def from_something(cls, something) -> Self:
        print(cls, something)
        raise NotImplementedError

SomeClass.from_something("example")

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | <class '__main__.SomeClass'> example
002 | Traceback (most recent call last):
003 |   File "/home/main.py", line 9, in <module>
004 |     SomeClass.from_something("example")
005 |   File "/home/main.py", line 7, in from_something
006 |     raise NotImplementedError
007 | NotImplementedError

[stuck furnace]

Class methods just bind the class as the first argument when you get them.

[vocal basin]

error is intentional there

!e

from typing import Self

class SomeClass:
    @classmethod
    def from_something(cls, something) -> Self:
        return cls()

class DerivedClass(SomeClass):
    pass

print(SomeClass.from_something("example"))
print(DerivedClass.from_something("example"))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <__main__.SomeClass object at 0x7f7789468810>
002 | <__main__.DerivedClass object at 0x7f7789468810>

[vocal basin]

usage like this creates a dependency on how the constructor works, which might be unwanted

class SomeClass(ABC):
    @classmethod
    def from_something(cls, something) -> Self:
        return cls.from_two_values(something.field, something.method())

    @classmethod
    @abstractmethod
    def from_two_values(cls, value0, value1) -> Self:
        raise NotImplementedError

that demonstrates one of the purposes of factories: abstraction

from_two_values removes the dependency on what arguments __init__ takes

[gentle flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTfmVaL58xA

[woeful wyvern]

But from_two_values will still have to call __init__ to return itself, no? Or alternatively call some other factory that eventually would call the __init__ function

[vocal basin]

!e

from abc import ABC, abstractmethod
from typing import Self

class SomeClass(ABC):
    @classmethod
    def from_something(cls, something) -> Self:
        return cls.from_two_values(something, something)

    @classmethod
    @abstractmethod
    def from_two_values(cls, value0, value1) -> Self:
        raise NotImplementedError

class TwoFields(SomeClass):
    def __init__(self, field0, field1):
        self.field0 = field0
        self.field1 = field1

    @classmethod
    def from_two_values(cls, value0, value1) -> Self:
        return cls(value0, value1)

    def __repr__(self):
        return f"{self.__class__.__name__}({self.field0!r}, {self.field1!r})"

class OneTuple(SomeClass):
    def __init__(self, tuple_):
        self.tuple_ = tuple_

    @classmethod
    def from_two_values(cls, value0, value1) -> Self:
        return cls((value0, value1))

    def __repr__(self):
        return f"{self.__class__.__name__}({self.tuple_!r})"

print(TwoFields.from_something("example"))
print(OneTuple.from_something("example"))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | TwoFields('example', 'example')
002 | OneTuple(('example', 'example'))

[vocal basin]

TwoFields.__init__ and OneTuple.__init__ have different signatures

it sometimes makes sense with concrete examples,
or with codebase which had been changing for a long time

abstract class

[gentle flint]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/abc.html

[vocal basin]

if there is code depending on from_something already and if a need to have different __init__s ever arises, this would be the solution

should it be a script? (replying to VC)

or should it be a service instead?

.

[rugged root]

@lunar haven If we're just watching a video wouldn't it be better to just link the video rather than streaming it?

[vocal basin]

@junior ermine how often is the script started?

and if it's paid/restricted, don't stream it

[amber raptor]

vultr.com

[rugged root]

When why not just link said course

https://porkbun.com/

[gentle flint]

https://beardyprof.com/

[amber raptor]

https://freedns.afraid.org/

[rugged root]

Let me rephrase it then. If all you're doing is streaming a video, then please hop off stream

[vocal basin]

not new

I think this should be one thread which processes an event stream

[rugged root]

If you keep fighting me on this I'm just going to revoke the perms entirely

[woeful wyvern]

How would that work? With multiple keys being pressed down at the same time etc? And overhead for the event stream?
I guess what would a solution like that look like?

[vocal basin]

> overhead for the event stream
way less than the overhead of starting new threads

[rugged root]

Streaming is a privilege, not a right. If someone is going to be streaming, it should be coding, giving or receiving help, something suitably beneficial or interesting to the server. Watching a video that you can simply link to is not beneficial

Especially when you're watching it at 2x speed

[amber raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/repressed-oppressed-oppression-peasant-police-gif-22437101

[gentle flint]

https://tenor.com/view/jessica-jones-selfdestruct-i-prefer-repression-gif-10913179

[vocal basin]

is this call blocking?

[woeful wyvern]

Yes, well, presumably so

It should be assumed that the eventHandler does stuff synchronously

[vocal basin]

where is eventHandler defined?

assuming this

[woeful wyvern]

There are 3 different ones in the repo that all do things pretty similarly

[woeful wyvern]

Correct

[vocal basin]

listener should be an instance of a class not a module, to avoid confusion

[rugged root]

Fine, go ahead gof

[vocal basin]

and hookId should be a field of that class

[rugged root]

@lunar haven

[amber raptor]

No

the rule was fine

[woeful wyvern]

I feel like all the "OOP sucks" people would scream at me if I did so

[vocal basin]

what part is blocking?

[woeful wyvern]

Which eventHandler is thatr?

[vocal basin]

globals used the way there are, are way worse

[woeful wyvern]

Performance wise?

[rugged root]

Go ahead and stream

[vocal basin]

you're doing OOP anyway, just a masked and wrong version of it

[amber raptor]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[woeful wyvern]

Would it really be faster to have a "real class"?

[vocal basin]

it would be less incorrect, which is more important

and "faster" on these scales is totally irrelevant

[woeful wyvern]

Fair enough

[woeful wyvern]

actionKeys["RETURN"] (self.on_enter) could be since it calls an arbitrary Module

[rugged root]

k

[amber raptor]

Booooo

[vocal basin]

this part of code is not entirely correct

try:
    action = self.actionKeys[key["vkName"]]
except KeyError:
    pass
else:
    action()

to avoid accidentally catching KeyError from inside action()

[woeful wyvern]

Yes, true

[vocal basin]

why not create a thread per-action then?

[woeful wyvern]

I know it's petty but you'd be storing a variable in that case (doing an assignment thingy)

[woeful wyvern]

The hookFunc need to return ASAP so other programs can get their turn to handle the keypress, the more time it spends on hookFunc the higher the perceived keyboard latency

[vocal basin]

yes, it will return instantly, and action will be executed later

if you want it faster, then two separate points of threading:

one thread processes events and does eventHandler logic
other thread(s) process actions scheduled by the first one

[vocal basin]

self.actionKey.get(key["vkName"], do_nothing)()

preact

petite-vue

[vocal basin]

(small react)

[woeful wyvern]

!d dict.get

[wise cargo]

dict.get

get(key[, default])```
Return the value for *key* if *key* is in the dictionary, else *default*. If *default* is not given, it defaults to `None`, so that this method never raises a [`KeyError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#KeyError "KeyError").

[vocal basin]

(small vue)

[woeful wyvern]

That's quite smart, self.actionKey.get(key["vkName"], lambda: None)() good or no?

[vocal basin]

do_nothing is more expressive

[woeful wyvern]

Should that be a global do_nothing = lambda: None then?

[vocal basin]

def do_nothing():
    pass

[woeful wyvern]

Other than syntax, is there really any difference?

On 100 million runs they seem to perform pretty similarly

[vocal basin]

!e

def do_nothing():
    pass

print(do_nothing)
print(lambda: None)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <function do_nothing at 0x7fd23cad8680>
002 | <function <lambda> at 0x7fd23cad84a0>

[woeful wyvern]

!e

def do_nothing():
    pass

print(do_nothing() is (lambda: None)())

[wise cargo]

@woeful wyvern :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[woeful wyvern]

Looks pretty similar to me

one = lambda: None
def two(): pass```

[rugged root]

#pedagogy

[vocal basin]

(first is easier to debug)

[rugged root]

!e

ham = lambda: None

print(ham)

[wise cargo]

@rugged root :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<function <lambda> at 0x7f2c22038680>

[woeful wyvern]

!e

one = lambda: int("a")
def two(): int("a")
one()```

[wise cargo]

@woeful wyvern :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 |     one()
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <lambda>
005 |     one = lambda: int("a")
006 |                   ^^^^^^^^
007 | ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'a'

[rugged root]

!d gc

[wise cargo]

gc

This module provides an interface to the optional garbage collector. It provides the ability to disable the collector, tune the collection frequency, and set debugging options. It also provides access to unreachable objects that the collector found but cannot free. Since the collector supplements the reference counting already used in Python, you can disable the collector if you are sure your program does not create reference cycles. Automatic collection can be disabled by calling gc.disable(). To debug a leaking program call gc.set_debug(gc.DEBUG_LEAK). Notice that this includes gc.DEBUG_SAVEALL, causing garbage-collected objects to be saved in gc.garbage for inspection.

The gc module provides the following functions:

[rugged root]

https://stackoverflow.com/a/27777317/8346740

[gentle flint]

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+225F

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/253442/is-there-a-symbol-for-potential-equality

[rugged root]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle flint]

schrödinger's cat ≟ dead

[woeful wyvern]

So if it's just one thread handling the keyboard events, how do you manage the queuing if multiple are pressed at once? Or even just checking if a new key has been pressed assuming the thread is always running

[rugged root]

https://youtu.be/6w-Mo1VCW44

https://youtu.be/faZkeHC5RKo

[gentle flint]

that cat be chillin

[desert wolf]

/a/ [a] "Mann" (man)
/e/ [e] "Haus" (house)
/i/ [i] "Kind" (child)
/o/ [o] "Hose" (pants)
/u/ [u] "Hut" (hat)

/p/ [p] "Papa" (dad)
/t/ [t] "Tisch" (table)
/k/ [k] "Kuh" (cow)
/m/ [m] "Mutter" (mother)
/n/ [n] "Nase" (nose)
/f/ [f] "Fuß" (foot)
/s/ [s] "Schule" (school)
/ʃ/ [ʃ] "Schnee" (snow)
/χ/ [χ] "Bach" (stream)
/pf/ [pf] "Pfanne" (pan)
/ts/ [ts] "Zitrone" (lemon)
/tʃ/ [tʃ] "Buch" (book)
/r/ [r] "rot" (red)
/l/ [l] "Licht" (light)
/j/ [j] "ja" (yes)
/ʁ/ [ʁ] "Hund" (dog)

/a/ [a] "asa" (morning)
/i/ [i] "ichi" (one)
/u/ [u] "utsukushii" (beautiful)
/e/ [e] "eki" (train station)
/o/ [o] "omoshiroi" (interesting)

/p/ [p] "pan" (bread)
/t/ [t] "takai" (high)
/k/ [k] "kawaii" (cute)
/m/ [m] "mizu" (water)
/n/ [n] "natsu" (summer)
/s/ [s] "sakura" (cherry blossom)
/ɕ/ [ɕ] "shinbun" (newspaper)
/h/ [h] "hito" (person)
/j/ [j] "yama" (mountain)
/w/ [w] "watashi" (I, me)

[rugged root]

brusque

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/346805820702326805/1107779218231808061/20230515_161800.jpg Lucky has decided that Joi doesn't get to get up

[gentle flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBWmUQ1uteY

[proud estuary]

let me guess

[gentle flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRlS7pdTzw

[proud estuary]

i cant talk in here because i have not sent enough messages in the server

ok bye then not like i was hoping i could meet new friends or anything

[rugged root]

You still can

When we're in VC we're watching the text chat as well

https://youtu.be/B7UmUX68KtE

Found a good example

[desert wolf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Norwegian_heavy_metal_musical_groups

[gentle flint]

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sommeltje

[desert wolf]

how similar is https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokai re: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ork#Aardmannetjes_in_volksverhalen_en_sprookjes

[limpid umbra]

swedish popcorn - what can i say...........

is Maro the head of twitter now ?

did you file 300 resumes today

500 ????

thats hard to do

loop

hope you get a cool job

i get jobs by accident - not by qualifications

nope im not

im just a random idea generator

zero - its a good time

more time to build a garden

tech jobs ? im not worthy to be called programmer

need C code minimum these days

[gentle flint]

maroloccio rapidly deleting messages

[limpid umbra]

fresh garden herbs this year ... maybe

[gentle flint]

to cover his tracks

so kind

do you want some fetucci

[limpid umbra]

fresh home made pasta - on my todo list

[gentle flint]

i don't know why I said fetucci

I meant fettuce

guess it was some sort of cross between fettucce and fettucine

[limpid umbra]

flat noodle if from a box

fresh is ..... mama mia perfecto !!!

[woeful wyvern]

!e

ඞ = True
print(ඞ)

[wise cargo]

@woeful wyvern :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

True

[gentle flint]

anyway I meant this

[limpid umbra]

i did same with scallops

[gentle flint]

now I'm hungry

fuck

this was a bad idea

[limpid umbra]

i have some big cement blocks outside to use

garden exercise program

cilantro doesnt last long

[grim marsh]

https://github.com/jerlendds/osintbuddy

[fierce stratus]

Hello!

how its going?

how are you doing?

[warm vapor]

Hey opal how are you?

[fierce stratus]

why its so?

something happened?

doing fine, was sick last few days, but now its better

yeah

[warm vapor]

do you know a guy uploaded files to youtube in video format to store it on the servers

[fierce stratus]

oh, sorry to hear that

when did it happen?

[warm vapor]

yea i am trying to code it buts facing many errors

[fierce stratus]

I see

so you worked in hotel?

okay, well I think in this field its easier to find another job

compared to IT field

are you too young?

oh boy

dont give shit about this hotel

maybe its even better that you are not working there

you may find it as motivation to get better job

[warm vapor]

well we can also do it in music format right like different set of binaries for different sounds

we can find libs on pip

i was going to ask the same question

ahh valorant, genshin and I was playing Metro series

wbu?

Trying to center text for last 10 mins

new to frontend..

i have to update it but i am going on a trip so i cannot play

I tried asm there are soo many versions of it

3 ig

It was really hard

WHAT DOCS?

how did you learn python with docs

oh yea he is a legend

[dense meadow]

Hello

[warm vapor]

eivl helped me a lot when i got here

[dense meadow]

I am currently building a CLI

So I was busy

[warm vapor]

he was gonna do a fastapi workshop

[dense meadow]

Oh ok

[vocal basin]

I've fixed the thing, now paths are more correct

[vocal basin]

still not sure if it's space-filling

[vocal basin]

this one is fully in 2D

"space-filling" as in:
if this random walk goes on forever, each point on the plane will eventually be as close as possible to the path

[vocal basin]

formally:
closure of the set of points on the path is the plane itself

so, like:
it's impossible to find a circle that's never crossed by the path

(circle with a positive radius)

[warm vapor]

I gtg see you later

bye

[vocal basin]

still stuck figuring out how distribution of the variance depends on the mean and difference between first and last points

at least, thankfully, this problem does not in any way depend on the number of dimensions

anything can be calculated independently per dimension, and then added/multiplied to get the total result

[woeful wyvern]

Distribution of the mean would be the same as the size of a standard deviation, right?

[vocal basin]

what do you mean by "the size of a standard deviation"?

mean of all points on the path is normally distributed
differences f(a)-f(b) between any two points f(a),f(b) on the path f are normally distributed (if a and b are fixed)

whereas variance is not normally distributed

discord crashed

[vocal basin]

current hypothesis that I assume is:
given fixed f(1)-f(0) and fixed ∫f(x)dx,x∈[0;1] (=mean),
variance (on [0;1]) is log-normally distributed

maybe I should check whether it makes any sense mathematically before continuing to assume that

[somber heath]

@potent frost 👋

[dense meadow]

Helloooo

[vocal basin]

@peak nebula interactive SQL environment?

that'd be database-specific

are you using Docker?

how is the database deployed?

DBA is BS job

[whole bear]

redacted

i nuked my chat history and i cant join vc now

[vocal basin]

I no longer accept friend requests from people on large discord servers

[whole bear]

understandable

i'll just talk enough to vc again

[rocky yew]

i sense a poor prior experience

[whole bear]

its discord

[vocal basin]

so, for DB update there are two parts:
DB migration <-- this is what developers are mostly responsible for
DB software update <-- what operators are mostly responsible for

key word "mostly"

first is mostly done by developers because:
it's done in software

it's described with code

usually SQL

[rocky yew]

thanks Alisa

[vocal basin]

"invented by Oracle"

person who knows database well and can guide and help other devs -- good
person who has to review every single schema change, especially in a large company -- bad

wait, Florida is now more dystopian on that matter than Russia?

"control freak"

funnily, assembly language is more correct, afaik

it's called "assembler" in some other countries

though

rather

as in "[language of ]assembler"

well, at least it's not open plan office

complex searches are quite hard to handle

filtering is somewhat ineffective

though if you know you get, like, at least 1% of all data, then fine

(if you don't need to do a lot of few-results searches)

brb

[buoyant aspen]

Anybody with God of war three activation key or registration key?

No !? Not an ideal task!? 👍 Okay

[fierce stratus]

i dont really play this game

[buoyant aspen]

Oh okay.......it's very well fabricated though

[calm hearth]

@somber heath Hey man!

What are guys choppin' off?

[vocal basin]

analysing some distributions

# mean, std, c (I don't remember why it's `c` but it's the last point)
def msc(arr):
    return np.array([arr.mean(axis=0), arr.std(axis=0), arr[-1]])
A = 256
R = 100
L = 100
P = 1
pmean, pstd, pc = np.concatenate([msc((P*np.random.standard_normal((A**2, R)) / A).cumsum(axis=0)) for _ in range(L)], axis=1)
fig = plt.figure()
ax = fig.add_subplot(projection='3d')
ax.scatter(pmean, pc, np.log(pstd), s=.5)

when will I start properly naming and formatting code in jupyter?
probably never

this produces a 2D path which I'm analysing (or an equivalent to it)

plt.plot(
    (np.random.standard_normal(A**2) / A).cumsum(axis=0),
    (np.random.standard_normal(A**2) / A).cumsum(axis=0),
)

"equivalent to it" rather because it generates points in a different order

[vocal basin]

that goes in order:
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
the thing I'm actually using does this instead:
0,4,3,5,2,7,6,8,1
so it's generating mid-points and splitting the path each time

const some_function = () => {};

[uncut meteor]

let obj = {
  myFunc: function() { }
};

let obj = {
  myFunc: function () { }
};

[tall lance]

is there a difference here

[vocal basin]

are you sure this works only with function?

[tall lance]

bruh

ig you can decorate the function

and provide the obj with the decorator

[vocal basin]

the difference I know is:
functions are reordered as if they were defined before everything else

(afair)

[uncut meteor]

x = {
  val: 15,
  y: function() { this.val = 13 },
  x: () => { this.val = 12 },
} 

x = {
  val: 15,
  y: function() { this.val = 13 },
  x: (state) => { state.val = 12 },
} 

[vocal basin]

there's a name for that

[vocal basin]

funny how in Russian docs that part comes before everything else

[uncut meteor]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[zenith radish]

https://github.com/gitautas/MeasureBot/blob/master/mbot.rb

[vocal basin]

making a discord as a beginner is kind of:
you fill fail a lot, because async and other stuff
but if you figure that out, you will have a lot of experience and knowledge usable in different projects

[zenith radish]

require 'discordrb'

bot = Discordrb::Bot.new token: '<token here>'

bot.message(with_text: 'Ping!') do |event|
  event.respond 'Pong!'
end

bot.run```

[vocal basin]

they're both worse versions of each other

[zenith radish]

agreed

[vocal basin]

attempt different ways, find what's better and easier for you
people are different
there is no universal "easiest way to start"

being anti-OOP depends on what you define as OOP

message passing is OOP too

@whole bear "enterprise style"?

kernels have their own notions of objects

(often)

and then there is Haskell-ish/maths objects/classes
and Rust's traits/objects

[zenith radish]

Rust is just oop in practice

Interfaces and structs

[vocal basin]

I have no clue what I'm doing but the line seems to fit

there's also German inventor
forgot his name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z3_(computer)

> The Z3 was demonstrated in 1998 to be, in principle, Turing-complete.
60 years after being designed

[rugged root]

Just want to say I appreciate everyone here. You folks make running the voice chat worth while

@eager kraken Yo

[eager kraken]

hey

[rugged root]

How's it going

[eager kraken]

its fine

[rugged root]

@vocal basin Welcome back

[eager kraken]

tbh im new here an trying to learn python so yeah

[vocal basin]

trying to understand where -0.8956 comes from

[rugged root]

Hell yeah. You new to programming general or just to Python?

[vocal basin]

I'm faced with a constant that I can't guess

[rugged root]

Ruby?

[rugged root]

Same

[eager kraken]

im not new to programming like i have some bg about it but im trying to learn python

[wind raptor]

Welcome! We have a lot of resources here that can help you through your journey 🙂

[rugged root]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[rugged root]

I personally recommend "A Byte of Python" that's on there.

[wind raptor]

That timing was impeccable

[rugged root]

I was already typing it

You just saved me the rest of the text

[vocal basin]

!e

# seems a little off
from math import e
print(1-(1/(e+1)**2+.25)**2)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

0.8961037010828107

[eager kraken]

ohh

thank you😄

[wind raptor]

No problem

[wind raptor]

What language/s did you learn prior?

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-malone-the-office-say-lot-word-few-word-few-words-gif-15322018

[rugged root]

Beat me to the gif

[vocal basin]

!e

from math import log
print(log(1/6)/2)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

-0.8958797346140275

[eager kraken]

well i tried to go in front end developing so i learn html and css but its a joke

[rugged root]

How so?

[wind raptor]

Did you get into JS?

[rugged root]

Just gonna... https://javascript.info

It's a sickness, any time I hear JS I have to drop that link. It's so good

[rugged root]

Well that's close

[eager kraken]

so i shifted to learn python

[rugged root]

Fair

[eager kraken]

no i didnt get into js

[wind raptor]

JS is the programming language behind that. HTML and CSS are just markup langs but do feel like programming langs the way they are set up

[rugged root]

JS is the heavy lifter in most frontend things anymore

[vocal basin]

!e

from math import erf, log
print(log(1/(5.5++erf(2)/2))/2)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

-0.8956847909917398

[vocal basin]

for now I'll believe this is the correct value

[rugged root]

Maybe

With rounding it wouldn't be right still

[vocal basin]

(++ is accidental)

[whole plank]

i dont have permissions to say hi lol

hi

[vocal basin]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[whole plank]

ill think about it

[wind raptor]

Hi

[whole plank]

ill prolly get the 50 messages here

[vocal basin]

there's only one place I remember seeing .997

[whole plank]

actually idk yall aren't talking about anything serious

are yall coding?

[vocal basin]

and exp(x)**-2 is 5.997

[wind raptor]

You could use the decimal library for more precision.

[vocal basin]

I have no way to get more precision there

I have this as a "dataset"

[wind raptor]

ahh, gotcha

[vocal basin]

I can, like, do the maths and calculate the exact value
but guessing is more fun

[uncut meteor]

!paste

[wise cargo]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[rugged root]

We're happy to have you here regardless. If we're in VC we'll typically watching the text chat so no one is left out. But yeah, it's mostly a hangout, with programming as the general overall topic, but we talk about all kinds of stuff

[whole plank]

cool thanks

[rugged root]

@gleaming lotus

[whole plank]

im trying to learn by osmosis, i think ill stick to general for now

[gleaming lotus]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/evifohisuh.py

File "/home/swastik/Downloads/Project/backend/builder-insert.py", line 18, in enter_details
name_input = name.get()
^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get'

[rugged tundra]

programming to construction noises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB4Ov9t4aq4

[rugged root]

name isn't anywhere where that function can see it

It's inside of another function, and you'd have to let the enter_details() function know about it via global, like how you have khasra

[vocal basin]

enter_details doesn't set it, so should see it anyway

take_input is always called before enter_details

[rugged root]

But it still needs global inside enter_details in order to see that it's defined elsewhere

[vocal basin]

ah, yes
if it's not pre-set

though

idk

!e

def f():
    global x
    x = 426
def g():
    print(x)
f()
g()

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

426

[rugged root]

The fuck?

[vocal basin]

name.lower() probably returns None
which is the problem

[rugged root]

Wait

!e

def f():
    print(x)
    
def g():
    global x
    x = 426
f()
g()

[wise cargo]

@rugged root :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 7, in <module>
003 |     f()
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in f
005 |     print(x)
006 |           ^
007 | NameError: name 'x' is not defined

[rugged root]

That's what's going on

!e

def f():
    global x
    print(x)
    
def g():
    global x
    x = 426
f()
g()

[wise cargo]

@rugged root :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 8, in <module>
003 |     f()
004 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in f
005 |     print(x)
006 |           ^
007 | NameError: name 'x' is not defined

[rugged root]

This is why I hate globals

[vocal basin]

wrong call order

[rugged root]

It's not

[vocal basin]

!e

def f():
    print(x)
    
def g():
    global x
    x = 426
g()
f()

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

426

[rugged root]

Oh right hmm

Derp

[terse needle]

https://discord.gg/tccpp

[vocal basin]

yes

[rugged root]

Yeah, I see I'm wrong

Right

[vocal basin]

that is the issue

[rugged root]

Is it?

Hold on

ipython

[vocal basin]

name.lower() is None because it's Label

[rugged root]

Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhh

Forgot that those are in-place

[gleaming lotus]

lol

alright got it

[vocal basin]

C++ is a committee-made mess

but, like, not really wrong mess

just large

docker run python:2

> Interface support is normally restricted to Microsoft Windows.
alleged by wikipedia

[rugged root]

Normally

Yeah

[vocal basin]

> There is also an experimental ASIO driver for Wine, WineASIO

this rather in the context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asio_C%2B%2B_library

[hearty scroll]

https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_75_0/doc/html/boost_asio.html

[vocal basin]

so, Asio not ASIO

[rugged root]

@gleaming lotus What's up?

[gleaming lotus]

thank u so much man

[rugged root]

You got it fixed?

All thanks should go to AF

[gleaming lotus]

i couldnt figure out why my code fked from days

[gleaming lotus]

finally

thanks so much guys

[vocal basin]

for safe and fast concurrency
"just use Rust"

[gleaming lotus]

thank you man

love u guys

[willow lynx]

Hi @rugged root

[rugged root]

How's it going?

https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner

You talking this thing?

[amber raptor]

https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner

[rugged root]

Wait....

That kind of looks like the language spread

The colorful ones match

[uncut meteor]

https://github.com/GDWR/aoc2022

looks better with mine @rugged root

[zenith radish]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/copy-constructors-and-copy-assignment-operators-cpp?view=msvc-170

[rugged root]

That is quite pretty looking

Also holy crap that's a lot of languages

[terse needle]

I'm not seeing scheme in here

[uncut meteor]

F

[terse needle]

care to explain

[uncut meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvR1Pgzzr38&list=PLlrATfBNZ98dudnM48yfGUldqGD0S4FFb&index=44

[hearty scroll]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Functions/Arrow_functions

[rugged root]

Fair, MDN is gold

[terse needle]

@rugged root https://clojuredocs.org/ https://docs.racket-lang.org/

[zenith radish]

https://docs.python.org/3.12/library/io.html#io.TextIOWrapper

[amber raptor]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system?view=net-7.0

@rugged root

[terse needle]

😍 https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/index.html

[vocal basin]

it's very easy to write too

[zenith radish]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/smart-pointers-modern-cpp?view=msvc-170

[vocal basin]

io.StringIO is often used

[terse needle]

racket docs are written in racket

[uncut meteor]

https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

[rugged root]

Unfortunately doesn't cover everything

[terse needle]

https://github.com/Revolutionary-Games/Thrive

biggest thing I have contributed code to

it's so nice seeing your pr in the version changelog

[vocal basin]

https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed

[rugged root]

That dog looks like he farted and is just waiting for their friend to smell it

Just that self satisfied smile

[vocal basin]

"tetris-style minigame"

[rugged root]

Oh god

As a requirement to unlock your computer

[vocal basin]

10**(10**100) ig

[rugged root]

http://www.googolplexwrittenout.com/

@swift valley Which editor do you use again?

Can't remember

[swift valley]

For work, VSCode
For personal projects, Emacs

[rugged root]

Gotcha gotcha

[rugged root]

This AI gen'd?

[slate light]

yep

[rugged root]

It's really sick looking

[slate light]

Im getting better everyday

[rugged root]

Index finger looks a bit funky

[slate light]

for sure

[rugged root]

And apparently the US has acquired all the countries, judging by the stars

[slate light]

yee is difficult to change the flag

[rugged root]

Yeah I remember trying to futz with fine details when messing with the fine tuned models

I unfortunately don't have the patience to get really really good at it

[wind raptor]

What do you guys think of Foxhole?

[alpine elbow]

@wind raptor The player strikes are hilarious

[rugged root]

That's a thing?

As in like

People protesting the game?

[alpine elbow]

https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/foxhole-logistics-union-ends-49-day-strike-after-demands-met-3173270

https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/s5qek9/foxhole_players_are_striking_over_increased/

[rugged root]

Huh

[alpine elbow]

Day of defeat - source 👌

[amber raptor]

https://foxholestats.com/

[rugged root]

We're looking to adopt a password management system for our firm. Anyone have any experience - Hey @stuck furnace - with password managers at that scale? Ideally looking for one that can set roles or permissions so that business services doesn't have access to the audit team's passwords and vice versa

Was just saying hi, not expecting you to answer that question

[ivory horizon]

`import asyncio

async def counter(name: str):
for i in range(0, 100):
print(f"{name}: {i!s}")
await asyncio.sleep(0)

async def main():
tasks = []
for n in range(0, 4):
tasks.append(asyncio.create_task(counter(f"task{n}")))

while True:
    tasks = [t for t in tasks if not t.done()]
    if len(tasks) == 0:
        return

    await tasks[0]

asyncio.run(main())`

[mortal burrow]

KeePassXC

[ivory horizon]

The above snippet is awaiting task 0 as always. The execution flow is one by one right it is not taking the benefit of concurrency.
found it in a tutorial

[stuck furnace]

I've been playing that a lot lately just to zone out 😄

https://peps.python.org/pep-0636/#adding-conditions-to-patterns

So you just add an if X to the end of the case.

But as Hemlock said, it still needs that pattern part.

[rugged root]

The example the PEP gives:

match command.split():
    case ["go", direction] if direction in current_room.exits:
        current_room = current_room.neighbor(direction)
    case ["go", _]:
        print("Sorry, you can't go that way")

@mortal burrow

[slate light]

panda

bitdeffender

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[slate light]

https://proton.me/pass

[rugged tundra]

@zenith radish

[amber venture]

what is this called?, if i may ask?
I guess i missed some part of convo

woahh, okayyy

thats creative 🙂

[stuck furnace]

I think he was in Silicon Valley?

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[surreal epoch]

this voice chat looks super chill :)

i'm afraid i dont have the permission to talk yet :/

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-heath-ledger-joker-introduce-a-little-anarchy-anarchy-gif-5390031

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[surreal epoch]

thats great!

OpalMist, I just read your bio :D quite inspiring

[stuck furnace]

Yeah I hate that 😔

Just list your prices on your website!

[surreal epoch]

Boys, I've just bought "Automate The Boring Stuff With Python" as an absolute beginner and its arriving tomorrow

[rugged tundra]

Why does the voice command not include the criteria? Unsure how many characters are required to explain voice verification.

Possibly it can be explained in the voice command description??

@rugged root

Been wondering about that for a year...

I thought there was a reason....

Can we have a ticket made to address this?

[rugged root]

!source

[wise cargo]

Bot's GitHub Repository

Repository

Go to GitHub

[surreal epoch]

guys, I have quite the noobie question but ive been dying to ask this: What program do you use to program Python? Pycharm or....?

[stuck furnace]

Thonny is good for beginners

[rugged tundra]

Started with Pycharm, switched to Visual Studio Code

[stuck furnace]

https://thonny.org/

[surreal epoch]

is IDLE the python shell thingy?

oh alright!

[rugged tundra]

Visual Studio Code handles every language I have thrown at it thus far.

[somber heath]

REPL

[rugged tundra]

Prefer to stay in one environment.

[somber heath]

Read evaluate print loop.

[surreal epoch]

I'm learning alot in this voice channel

[rugged root]

That's the great thing about here

You pick up a lot

[red peak]

I use pycharm enterprise. It's pretty featureful. But takes some time to get used to.
A lot of people use VSCode, it's free and has a lot of user created plugins

[rugged tundra]

Do you have an environment setup yet?

[rugged root]

Although we do end up just chatting and chilling a lot as well

[surreal epoch]

good to know! thanks so much man

[rugged tundra]

If not, may provide resources to setup environment.

[surreal epoch]

well yeah, i've already installed pycharm

is there like a good tutorial teaching Github? I see all professional programmers use it but its quite difficult to grasp as a beginner

[stuck furnace]

Something I use the REPL for is interactively writing regression tests. Essentially load the file with python -i whatever.py, and test it interactively, then copy and paste the transcript into a text file and run it with doctest 😄

I'm light theme in the daytime, and dark theme at night.

I think dark text on a light background is easier to read in daylight.

@rugged tundra Have you read Thinking Fast and Slow?

[mortal burrow]

I have this book in my backpack

[rugged root]

There is, give me a sec

Snagging the link

[stuck furnace]

@rugged root Erm, it's about the psychology of biases essentially.

[rugged root]

https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/quickstart/hello-world

But always ask questions

[stuck furnace]

The whole book revolves around a model that divides thought into two modes: system 1 (fast and intuitive thought), and system 2 (slow, careful thought).

[mortal burrow]

I think the section on priming is not accurate.

[surreal epoch]

thanks!!

[stuck furnace]

System 1 thinking involves the application of heuristics (simple questions that you substitute in place of hard questions), which leads to making mistakes (biases).

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/tube-fish-gif-20583178

[stuck furnace]

Well there is an economic remedy for that. It's called "internalising the exernality".

I.e. tax things that affect third parties negatively.

And subsidise things that affect third parties positively.

Greenhouse gas emissions should be taxed so that their price reflects their true cost.

[rugged root]

Sure, but you still have the environmental impact

Businesses are short sighted, odds are good that they'll see that it's cheaper to pay the tax for a 5 year projection than it would be to set up a cleaner fuel

[stuck furnace]

Right, but the objective isn't to have zero environmental impact; it's to have the socially optimum outcome, taking into account the costs and benefits.

[rugged root]

I suppose

[stuck furnace]

@zenith radish

Are you ok @somber heath? 😄

[somber heath]

Hell, no.

[molten pewter]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wealth-inequality-billionaires-piketty-report/#:~:text="In the U.S.%2C the return,in 1970%2C the report noted.

""In the U.S., the return of top wealth inequality has been particularly dramatic, with the top 1% share nearing 35% in 2020, approaching its Gilded Age level" compared with less than 25% in 1970, the report noted. "

[karmic obsidian]

what is this voice chat about ?

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-are-you-satisified-gif-13247985

[karmic obsidian]

I agree @zenith radish

I agree @rugged tundra

[stuck furnace]

I kind of like the idea of a "universal minimum inheritance" 😄

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/bVAp3.gif

[karmic obsidian]

wealth can never be distributed equally

[terse needle]

"From each according to [their] ability, to each according to [their] needs"

[karmic obsidian]

survival of the fittest ? @terse needle ?

[terse needle]

People should do what they can and people should take what they need

[karmic obsidian]

UNTILL YOU HAVE BANKS YOU CAN NEVER DO JUSTICE IN A COUNTRY TO EVERYONE IN A COUNTRY )

I don't agree @rugged tundra

banks are the mother of all evil in our society ))

[somber heath]

class Ass:
    pass

a = {Ass()}
b = {Ass()}```

[karmic obsidian]

😂

[terse needle]

That was good I'll give you that

[karmic obsidian]

not capitalism but banking system

[molten pewter]

I definitely try to go most places with a full cock

[rugged root]

Without context.......

[molten pewter]

sorry

The context was that we shouldn't go most places "half cocked"

[rugged root]

There we go

Labordor retriever

Influenca

[mossy cedar]

did i pronounce it too funny :<>

[rugged root]

No no no

[mossy cedar]

:,>

[rugged root]

Just doing puns

You're good

[mossy cedar]

i didnt talk eng for 3 months my accent sux rn lmao

[turbid sandal]

i need help

login_button = tk.Button(login_frame, text="Next", command=lambda: changes() if username_entry.get() == pit1.read() and password_entry.get() == pit2.read() else print("Invalid username or password"))
login_button.pack(padx=5, pady=5)

it not work

[rugged root]

HA, all good dude

[molten pewter]

I find most of my electricians under the sofa, but most of my plumbers under the car seat.

[mossy cedar]

i actually feel better anyways bcz recently talked with a pakistani girl, her accent was so funny i couldn't take her seriously lmao

[turbid sandal]

lol

[somber heath]

Simplify your per-line complexity.

[turbid sandal]

.

ok so...

login_button = tk.Button(login_frame, text="Next", command=lambda: changes() if username_entry.get() == pit1.read() and password_entry.get() == pit2.read() else print("Invalid username or password")).pack(padx=5, pady=5)

[somber heath]

Spread it out across several lines if you need to.

[turbid sandal]

how

[somber heath]

Also, remember how we talked about how a .pack call returns None, not the widget?

You want to assign the variable to the widget, then call the pack off the variable

[somber heath]

Your lambda is too complicated. Use a def instead.

When you use lambdas, if you can't write them very, very simply, don't use them.

[molten pewter]

Those Governments organizations should go see the doctors about all those cuts, and especially that hemorrhage.

[terse needle]

Inverse Freddy Krueger

[rugged root]

For context

I have no specific plan or idea as to how things should be, other than helping people

That's always been my concern

Making sure people are taken care of, no matter their lot in life

[terse needle]

What's your opinion on UBI

[rugged root]

I think it's wise but I always worry that those kinds of things will just be built into the prices of things where it becomes almost worthless

[terse needle]

Thats a good point

[rugged root]

"We know that people are going to have X amount of money, so we might as well up the prices"

But I'm also just very cynical

[mossy cedar]

"no you cant hear the texts"
the text:
U S A! U S A! U S A!

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/bBmBF.gif

Dude

I love ipython

It's so good

[mossy cedar]

slow

[zenith radish]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-successor-not-happening-for-another-year-at-least

[mossy cedar]

switching to rust in a year

[rugged root]

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nintendo-switch-2

[molten pewter]

"after March 2024" ...

lol, it's A switch DS....

[rugged root]

You know what

I'm cool with that

Helps protect the screen at least

[molten pewter]

So many rumors, so little reliability.

[rugged root]

The base looks slightly thicker as well, potentially larger battery

But yeah, who knows

On the plus side, oh my god Tears of the Kingdom is great

[molten pewter]

so long switch pro, we have entered the switch 2 rumor mill.

[zenith radish]

https://www.tiktok.com/@aktarkhan116/video/7048214961750805761?lang=en

This is what I imagine bangladesh like

[terse needle]

@zenith radish imagine if we replaced github workflows with an scheme-like lisp DSL 😩

[zenith radish]

Yaml is fiiine

But a CI framework based on lisp

Thas cool

[terse needle]

fr

[zenith radish]

Also Kj

check out penpot

[terse needle]

Yaml does suffice but it's not cool enough

[zenith radish]

Fully written in clj

[amber raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-not-nope-gif-22294097

[terse needle]

oh yeah I did it's very cool

[molten pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-that-is-so-bad-its-almost-good-good-bad-gif-15174381

[amber raptor]

I'm going to shower then listen to LP terrible ideas

[turbid sandal]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/unebiruxat

@somber heath

help

it not work

[somber heath]

Don't nest defs unless you know why you want to.

You aren't calling your inner def.

Well done on the pack call stuff.

Separating that out.

[terse needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWzMa7g9BHc

[next orbit]

YESS I have been voice chat verified

[molten pewter]

brb

[gentle flint]

state of the screwdriver after turning 6 screws

not impressed

[molten pewter]

H131L5Uz3N3Agt

[neon vigil]

@rugged root can I stream :D

[turbid sandal]

i changed the readme file in my repo

butit did not update the description

what do i do

???

[rugged root]

!stream 418374628889853952

[wise cargo]

✅ @neon vigil can now stream until <t:1684267918:f>.

[amber raptor]

Democracy sucks

[molten pewter]

https://www.stonington-ct.gov/sites/g/files/vyhlif3851/f/uploads/000_-_2023-2024_town_meeting_proposed_budget_v.5.pdf

[stuck furnace]

Hello

[rugged root]

Did you mean to drop that?

[stuck furnace]

Cashier lol

[stuck furnace]

Oh really

Erm, mercantilism, actually.

I think you're now classified as a "flawed democracy".

[rugged root]

Fair

[mortal burrow]

@neon vigil What are you working on?

[neon vigil]

the voice connections for discord bots

[rugged root]

Discord wrapper API, right?

[neon vigil]

yeye

[rugged root]

Sick

Hella sick, rather

[mortal burrow]

Are you coming up with the design yourself?

[neon vigil]

nope

[molten pewter]

https://freedomhouse.org/

[neon vigil]

i mean

i do follow docs

but a lot of design decisions are different from other wrappers

[rugged root]

No no

You were right LX

That was my exact thought

[whole bear]

do i have permission to send funni memes in chat

[rugged root]

If they're relevant and not too many

[whole bear]

:((

[rugged root]

We're not a meme dump

[whole bear]

me?

[rugged root]

No the voice chat

[stuck furnace]

That doesn't surprise me~

He tutted loudly

[rugged root]

Standard British response

[stuck furnace]

The worst form of scorn possible

[rugged root]

British disapproval is so strong

[stuck furnace]

The deep level tube trains are already loud enough to give you hearing damage

[rugged root]

Fair

[stuck furnace]

Heat just builds up; has no where to go.

They're using it to heat buildings now!

[rugged root]

What?

[stuck furnace]

Apparently 😄

Elizabeth line is still pretty cool

Charlie is a poor waif

I maintain that Facebook's success was largely due to the way the rolled the platform out.

I.e. starting with a few universities.

[rugged root]

Yeah true

[stuck furnace]

Then expanding to all universities, all schools, then everyone else.

[rugged root]

Progressive rollouts make a huge difference

[stuck furnace]

At least in that case, it meant they could achieve a critical mass of users at each stage.

Milenial 👀

[stuck furnace]

https://londonist.com/london/transport/using-the-tube-to-warm-homes-islington-bunhill-energy

[rugged root]

That's insane and brilliant

https://tenor.com/bDf7J.gif

https://tenor.com/btl2f.gif

That's what I think of when I think hipster

[molten pewter]

Balenciaga?

[gentle flint]

they look like my sister's figure skates but with a different sole

[quasi condor]

https://www.balenciaga.com/en-gb/triple-s-trainers--black-734953W2PAA1000.html

[stuck furnace]

Brothel creepers?

[rugged root]

That has to be a band name

[amber raptor]

That only works when you don’t have competitors. When you do, makes it much harder.

[rugged root]

Fair

[stuck furnace]

I think it is actually 😄

[rugged root]

It's too good not to be

HA

[stuck furnace]

I think when someone says their life has meaning, it means they have decided what their goals in life are.

[rugged root]

That tracks

The nihilist thing

[thorn wharf]

is?

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/0Xyg.gif

[stuck furnace]

Wdym? 😄

[rugged root]

I don't know anymore

[thorn wharf]

[stuck furnace]

@thorn wharf echo

Sorry, @dense pike

[thorn wharf]

who is this

[stuck furnace]

There's definitely something about him

[rugged root]

Agreed

https://craig.chat/

[stuck furnace]

Not necessarily. You assign handlers to loggers.

They could write to the console, but they could also send a message over the internet, write to a file, or anything you want.

[neon vigil]

https://github.com/Exahilosys/survey

[somber heath]

@frail jetty 👋

[frail jetty]

hey there, is there a time where programmers hop on voice chat to discuss python?? or did you click on accident

[somber heath]

@frail jetty Are you hearing me talking?

[frail jetty]

i cannot talk

i am doing my verification

yes

i think i have 3 days left until i am verified

thank you so much for the help bro!!!

so how long have you been in python or software engineering

[somber heath]

@frigid dove 👋

[frail jetty]

so your a full time software engineer?

[frigid dove]

Hiii

How are you.. ?

[frail jetty]

okay what advice would you give someone who wants to be a software engineer

[frigid dove]

Can I ask you a question.?

[frail jetty]

@frigid dove yes you can bro Opal is cool

[frigid dove]

I want to build my career in Artificial Intelligence.
So thats why I want to learn Python and I don't like the theoretical learning , I want to learn Python practically.. So, how to learn Python practically ..

[vocal basin]

"practically" and "theoretically" isn't that much different for programming

[frigid dove]

Ohk.. I understand.. Thank you

[frail jetty]

i am currently new to programming (began 2 months ago) still doing a bootcamp. I spend 18 hours studying a day and at least 288 hours a month... how long will it take to get a job exactly?

[vocal basin]

if you want to specifically avoid maths in AI, you'd have to mostly be looking into documentations of libraries/packages

[frail jetty]

@somber heath

lol

[vocal basin]

18 hours is too much

[frigid dove]

I don't wanna skip mathematics because I love mathematics

[vocal basin]

(stuff like tensorflow have tutorials/courses associated with them)

[vocal basin]

!e

print(31*24)
print(288)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 744
002 | 288

[vocal basin]

ugh

third

too much

[frigid dove]

18 hours 😵‍💫

[frail jetty]

how long dose it take to become a developer? like to get a job.. I have a burning fire to get this

i do sleep 6 hours a day

[vocal basin]

there is no specific "learn this long => get a job" time

[vocal basin]

!e

print(30*24 * (5/7) * (8/24))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

171.42857142857144

[vocal basin]

rounding down to 168 hours

[vocal basin]

(a month, as an adequate upper limit)

[frigid dove]

Nice 👏

[frail jetty]

@somber heath

[vocal basin]

it takes weeks for some people and years for others

• depends on what job

[frail jetty]

mhhhh, i see...

[frail jetty]

front end developer

@somber heath what do you mean by quality? can you please explain

i see what you mean, and i agree with that statement

yes thats true! compound effect

[heavy vale]

please enable activities

[frail jetty]

i agree!

[vocal basin]

maybe better to try to find an internship then
(paid internship, as in the company pays you)

look up what requirements companies have for interns
apply for internships, attend interviews
until you get there, make projects on your own (to demonstrate skills you have), attend free courses, explore stuff outside those courses

[heavy vale]

@somber heath

[frigid dove]

Are you a Native English speaker @somber heath

[heavy vale]

yeah

he is

[frail jetty]

how do you network with other people??

[heavy vale]

dc

[frail jetty]

lol haha

[heavy vale]

whats funny?

[frail jetty]

thanks for that Alisa

[frail jetty]

was speaking with opal over voice chat, i am using the text to reply since i am not verified yet

[heavy vale]

oh ok

i see ur new on this server

[vocal basin]

!e

from __future__ import braces

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1
002 |     from __future__ import braces
003 |     ^
004 | SyntaxError: not a chance

[frail jetty]

@somber heath Thanks so much for the advice and your time brother! may God bless you! i think i am happy with the questions you answered and if i need any help. I will come back to you again

[heavy vale]

@somber heath what do u work i mean whats ur job?

oh ok

[frail jetty]

@somber heath yes i am getting back to coding and practicing! i am LOCKED IN!!! lets goo

https://tenor.com/view/money-argent-is-money-gif-18541839

[vocal basin]

I've recently been put in charge of helping someone learn front-end

not sure if I actually know enough about it but I'll try

[frigid dove]

Oh nice.. You become frontend teacher 😅

[whole bear]

anyone knows why the output is always empty string here

def longestcommonprefix(strs):
    prefix = ""
    for i in strs:
        if len(i) < len(prefix) or len(prefix) == "":
            prefix = i
    
    total_word = len(strs)
    count = 0
    while count != total_word and len(prefix) > 0:
        count = 0
        for i in strs:
            if prefix == i[:len(prefix)]:
                count += 1
        if count != total_word:
            prefix = prefix[:-1]
    
    return prefix


name = ["flower","flow","flight"]
print(longestcommonprefix(name))

[vocal basin]

!e

def longestcommonprefix(strs):
    prefix = ""
    for i in strs:
        if len(i) < len(prefix) or len(prefix) == "":
            prefix = i
            print(f"{prefix = !r}")
    total_word = len(strs)
    count = 0
    while count != total_word and len(prefix) > 0:
        count = 0
        for i in strs:
            if prefix == i[:len(prefix)]:
                count += 1
        if count != total_word:
            prefix = prefix[:-1]
            print(f"{prefix = !r}")
    return prefix


names = ["flower","flow","flight"]
print(longestcommonprefix(names))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :warning: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[vocal basin]

oh

it never sets prefix at all, apparently

[whole bear]

oh how to fix please help

[red peak]

!e

print(len("")) == ""

[wise cargo]

@red peak :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

0

[vocal basin]

why =="" at the end?

oh

you put it outside

it should be inside

!e

def longestcommonprefix(strs):
    prefix = ""
    for i in strs:
        if len(i) < len(prefix) or len(prefix) == 0:
            prefix = i
            print(f"{prefix = !r}")
    total_word = len(strs)
    count = 0
    while count != total_word and len(prefix) > 0:
        count = 0
        for i in strs:
            if prefix == i[:len(prefix)]:
                count += 1
        if count != total_word:
            prefix = prefix[:-1]
            print(f"{prefix = !r}")
    return prefix


names = ["flower","flow","flight"]
print(longestcommonprefix(names))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | prefix = 'flower'
002 | prefix = 'flow'
003 | prefix = 'flo'
004 | prefix = 'fl'
005 | fl

[red peak]

!e

print(len("") == "")

[wise cargo]

@red peak :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

False

[vocal basin]

len(prefix) == "" is always False, because int is never equal to str (unless you overload equality in a derived class)
to check it the prefix is empty, there are multiple ways:

prefix == ""
len(prefix) == 0
not prefix

!e

prefix = "example"
print(f"{prefix = !r}")
print(f"{prefix = }")

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | prefix = 'example'
002 | prefix = 'example'

[vocal basin]

oh

it doesn't matter actually

!r doesn't do anything there

[whole bear]

lmao i am gettinf confused

[vocal basin]

the error you have is len(prefix) == ""

!e

example = "example"
print(f"{example!r}")
print(f"{example}")

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 'example'
002 | example

[vocal basin]

!r means repr

[whole bear]

oh got it

thank youuuu

i changed into len(prefix) == ""

thats why

it should be 0 thankss

or alternate prefix == "" only

[vocal basin]

this is not print-specific
logs can include f-strings too

though probably not with !r

!r is almost exclusively for debugging

just as repr

[whole bear]

oh thanks for info well thanks a lot even chatgpt suks XD

does anyone if im better off coding on windows

own all apple devices

comforttable in?

okay

i saw a thinkpad second hand x1 carbon for sale for $300usd

was thinking i should just get it

linux on windows or mac? 😂

haha

okay i'll just buy it its $300 💀

ive heard that if u install linux on macbook

u cant install osx back

lol then it voids my warranty i think

ix a 3rd gen 2015 x1 carbon really bad

should i just get a brand new

2022

sorry lots of questions LOL

[vocal basin]

!e

import functools
import itertools
import operator

def all_equal(chars):
    return all(itertools.starmap(operator.eq, zip(chars[1:], chars[:-1])))

def longestcommonprefix(strs):
    return "".join(map(operator.itemgetter(0), itertools.takewhile(all_equal, zip(*strs))))

names = ["flower","flow","flight"]
print(longestcommonprefix(names))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

fl

[whole bear]

i dont like mac tho windows 12 performance would be same as mac except that u can run games on it too. microsoft said the performance of windows 12 would be same as mac with more customization since they are building specific dedicated hardware specially for windows 12

[vocal basin]

windows 11?

[whole bear]

okayyyyy