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vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:25 AM

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it's an overcomplicated mess that keeps growing

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:25 AM

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i used it for arduino's

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my code sucked

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:27 AM

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hoary olive i used it for arduino's

C++ for embedded sometimes ends up just being C with a little bit different syntax

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if Arduino supports it, then fine

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 11:28 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/yQqJlX0.jpg

Imgur

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:32 AM

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Java doesn't allow raw pointers

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for something made in Java, I'd probably expect an array-like structure to be implemented there instead of an array

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implementing MutableMapping is fun

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(list is MutableSequence)

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@hoary olive
what's the purpose of that custom array?

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numpy does same as C for bool arrays

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:36 AM

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vocal basin numpy does same as C for bool arrays

depending on the usecase, storing bool as a byte can be more or less efficient

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:36 AM

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i have a lot of fields, linkedList, would be too slow

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~6k

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:37 AM

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hoary olive i have a lot of fields, linkedList, would be too slow

elements, not field, I guess

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linked lists are faster for some situations too

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:38 AM

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vocal basin numpy does same as C for bool arrays

fancy indexing does suffer though

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other operations can be optimised by using np.uint8 explicitly

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depends

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it has a weird design, not the worst

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"steampunk of the programming languages" as bcantrill said

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 11:40 AM

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I do like steampunk.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:40 AM

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Java has even worse naming scheme

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 11:40 AM

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@novel hound 👋

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:41 AM

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goto is reserved too

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for if they ever decide to add it

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it never was in Java, iirc

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:42 AM

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James Gosling created the original JVM with support of goto statements, but then he removed this feature as needless

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:42 AM

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JVM probably still has gotos inside

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just like CLR

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goto#Criticism

Goto

Goto (goto, GOTO, GO TO, GoTo, or other case combinations, depending on the programming language) is a statement found in many computer programming languages. It performs a one-way transfer of control to another line of code; in contrast a function call normally returns control. The jumped-to locations are usually identified using labels, thou...

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it's unstructural

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continue is limited

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same for break and return

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continue, break, and others are bad too but less bad

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C# has goto

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:46 AM

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        testing:
        for (Integer numbers: arrayNumbers)
            if (numbers != 0)
                count++;
                continue testing;

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:47 AM

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some languages have continue 2, break 2, iirc

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to do that for outer loops

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it's better to design your code in such a way that you don't need this

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:48 AM

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    public void add(int number) {
        if (count == arrayNumbers.length) {
            int[] numbers = java.util.Arrays.copyOf(arrayNumbers, arrayNumbers.length + 1);
            numbers[arrayNumbers.length] = number;
            arrayNumbers = numbers;
        } else {
            arrayNumbers[count] = number;
            count++;
        }
    }

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:49 AM

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addition is O(N^2)

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 11:49 AM

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@whole bear 👋

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:50 AM

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https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/List.html

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for choice, there are: AbstractList, AbstractSequentialList, ArrayList, AttributeList, CopyOnWriteArrayList, LinkedList, RoleList, RoleUnresolvedList, Stack, Vector

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maybe more in newer java

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:52 AM

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hoary olive ```java public void add(int number) { if (count == arrayNumbers.leng...

take a look at this class in the standard library:
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Vector.html

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roughly what Python's list[T] and C++'s std::vector<T> are

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:54 AM

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so adding is constant?

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:55 AM

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on average

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 11:57 AM

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or possibly an ArrayList now that i think about it

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 11:57 AM

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whee
98 games lost of the last 100

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I was thinking on how to write a program to help understand the early game strategy in minesweeper

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failed to come up with anything meaningful

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to a certain extent, it's possible to calculate mine probability for each cell
first N moves can be just brute forced and the "main lines" can be picked from the result

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the early game goal, if simplified, is to open a "0" cell (which often leads to something like a middlegame)

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 12:02 PM

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https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/14398552/BECERRA-SENIORTHESIS-2015.pdf

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 12:03 PM

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reading something someone else wrote isn't as interesting as coming up with it on my own

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I've never read any serious guides on minesweeper

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 12:05 PM

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vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 12:56 PM

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hoary olive

minesweeper.online is aware of more capable algorithms

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91.65% 78.22% 40.1%

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thanks to selection bias, I was able to achieve 95% 66% 31%

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:01 PM

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what algo are you using? (math behind it)

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:01 PM

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idk
I'm not using any algorithm
minesweeper.online's backend does

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they improved the algorithm they use at some point

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it lead to some difficulty cuts

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:03 PM

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doesnt Visual studio have it built in?

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ALM has UML for typescript

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but its a typescript code editor; so only for typescript

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:08 PM

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hewwo

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Sorry, I'm not voice verified yet so I can't speak.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:09 PM

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questionable, but exists
https://github.com/demike/TsUML2

GitHub

GitHub - demike/TsUML2: Generates UML diagrams from TypeScript sour...

Generates UML diagrams from TypeScript source code - GitHub - demike/TsUML2: Generates UML diagrams from TypeScript source code

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:09 PM

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It's unclear if that's UML 1.0 or UML 2.0

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I was only taught UML 2.0.

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Now it's called TsUML2 and looks like UML 2.0 to me.

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:12 PM

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https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=AlexShen.classdiagram-ts&ssr=false#overview

classdiagram-ts - Visual Studio Marketplace

Extension for Visual Studio Code - Generates class diagram for typescript projects

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:13 PM

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I've heard about UML designers being able to generate code from UML like starUML.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:13 PM

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vocal basin questionable, but exists https://github.com/demike/TsUML2

questionable implementation/applicability, I guess
probably fine, but I have neither tested it nor looked at it

as in "I wouldn't recommend because I have no idea what this is"

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:13 PM

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hoary olive https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=AlexShen.classdiagram-ts&ssr...

i presume it doesnt work on visual studio

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:14 PM

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"good rating, deserved"
(only now noticed this one)

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:16 PM

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I've seen a place advise against running executables.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:16 PM

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how much of discord is peer to peer?

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:16 PM

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vocal basin how much of discord is peer to peer?

probably not much

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I'm not sure the "bad packet => take over the machine" is much of a thing with it
(I may be wrong)

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:19 PM

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i have worked with discords api, and it sucks

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generally they read malformed http headers

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:19 PM

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hoary olive i have worked with discords api, and it sucks

application api, bot api, or else?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:19 PM

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so like discord servers go boom

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:19 PM

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I've setup APIs for various things like Discord and Twitch but that's as far as I get.

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:20 PM

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I was in this server and this dude was sending a bunch of requests to discords api, and messages came with ~20s delay

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:20 PM

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vocal basin application api, bot api, or else?

application as in what Discord call "application"

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:20 PM

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vocal basin application api, bot api, or else?

(Discord generally don't want someone using "or else" option)

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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what option?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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jade knot I've setup APIs for various things like Discord and Twitch but that's as far as ...

as in API wrapper?

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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API for setting up bots

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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hoary olive what option?

the API that Discord executable/Discord website uses
as opposed to publicly documented API

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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Setting up bots

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I think that's API stuff

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I really don't know

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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vocal basin the API that Discord executable/Discord website uses as opposed to publicly docu...

no one wants that, but i mean discord devs suck for letting that happen

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:19 PM

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hey

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I decided I wanted to learn calculus so I watched a lecture series but they haven't even got to the calculus part yet.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:21 PM

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jade knot I decided I wanted to learn calculus so I watched a lecture series but they have...

https://www.youtube.com/@3blue1brown

YouTube

3Blue1Brown

3Blue1Brown, by Grant Sanderson, is some combination of math and entertainment, depending on your disposition. The goal is for explanations to be driven by animations and for difficult problems to be made simple with changes in perspective.

For more information, other projects, FAQs, and inquiries see the website: https://www.3blue1brown.com

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:23 PM

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I'm watching this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYyARMqiaag&list=PLF797E961509B4EB5

YouTube

Professor Leonard

Calculus 1 Lecture 0.1: Lines, Angle of Inclination, and the Dista...

https://www.patreon.com/ProfessorLeonard

Calculus 1 Lecture 0.1: Lines, Angle of Inclination, and the Distance Formula

▶ Play video

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 2:23 PM

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@zinc wharf👋

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:23 PM

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hey BEAN

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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@analog quarry👋

analog quarry Feb 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Hi! Are we all not allowed to speak or am I missing something?

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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!voice

wise cargoBOT Feb 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

analog quarry Feb 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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It said I was granted access but the channel still says I don't. weird

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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analog quarry It said I was granted access but the channel still says I don't. weird

reconnect

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:32 PM

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hello

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Weird I'm getting emails in French now.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:34 PM

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jade knot Weird I'm getting emails in French now.

I sometimes get emails in something that's definitely not a human language
(I may find, but unlikely)

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"it'd be a little bit surprising to find Australia as a member of North Atlantic Treaty Organization", I guess

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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the anniversary is on the 24th.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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jade knot the anniversary is on the 24th.

also, Kerbal Space Program 2 release date

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:39 PM

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That too

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I'm waiting for KSP2.

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Well, early access.

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I saw someone play this game called Red Heart yesterday. Looks a bit bioshocky.

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I'm a former professional box opener.

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I played a bit of it on PC

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Rain World is great

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I found the way to get sound was to plug something into the 3.5mm audio jack.

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So I could get it working on the USB headphones.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:43 PM

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vocal basin Rain World is great

would play it more if the only game I intend on playing wasn't minesweeper

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:43 PM

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I wasn't using the 3.5mm audio jack for phones

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It needed something plugged into that for anything else to work.

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My motherboard had Via audio drivers.

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This was in 2012/13

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:45 PM

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vocal basin would play it more if the only game I intend on playing wasn't minesweeper

"at which point does it stop being a game and just becomes straight up gambling?"

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:45 PM

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oof

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!voice

wise cargoBOT Feb 22, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:49 PM

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my current difficulty record has a win probability of 2.33%
it took 714 games (roughly 14 hours) to get
so my win rate is ~0.14% (which is somewhat lower than 2.33%)

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:52 PM

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On shortly, running behind today

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:52 PM

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I played Gameboy Tetris yesterday but got bored pretty quick.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Out of all the old ones, I love the way the Gameboy Tetris' music sounds

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Yeah that's the main reason to play it.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Gameboy had great music despite its limitations

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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I played it on a 49" TV lol

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Oh yeah that's not going to help the experience

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I AM ONE WITH THE BLOCKS

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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I think I have a photo

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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wassup hem

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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rugged root On shortly, running behind today

We are, most of us, butts with legs.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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tetris breaks my brain too much, so I play this instead

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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hoary olive wassup hem

Struggling to get a password reset for someone

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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I'm looking forward to the Tetris movie.

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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I saw the shorts to that.

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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rugged root Struggling to get a password reset for someone

what website?

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:55 PM

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https://youtu.be/-BLM1naCfME

YouTube

Apple TV

Tetris — Official Trailer | Apple TV+

The game you couldn’t put down, the story you couldn’t make up. Tetris streaming March 31 on Apple TV+ https://apple.co/_Tetris_

Taron Egerton stars in a new Apple Original Film inspired by the true story of how one man risked his life to outsmart the KGB and turn Tetris into a worldwide sensation.

Tetris is directed by Jon S. Baird and writte...

▶ Play video

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Bloomberg. Its one of the accounting programs

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 2:56 PM

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they dont have password resets?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:56 PM

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It's in a weird place, it's specific to one of the programs, SuperForms

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Should be an easy call to their help desk

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 2:56 PM

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i was tryina get this external speaker to work didnt work

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 2:56 PM

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Honestly, out of all the helpdesks I've dealt with, they are by far the easiest to work with

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 2:57 PM

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i have a pioneer with 6 channels

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but sound comes from my tv , so gotta go fix that later

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 2:57 PM

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vocal basin tetris breaks my brain too much, so I play this instead

also, keyboard that accidentally double-presses the space doesn't exactly mix well with tetris

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 2:58 PM

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hoary olive i have a pioneer with 6 channels

A pioneer amp?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:00 PM

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jade knot A pioneer amp?

yes

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its a surround sound speaker system

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:03 PM

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.... damn it I forgot to do shred, I'll be back

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Back in like.... ~20 min

cerulean ridge Feb 22, 2023, 3:04 PM

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https://www.hackerrank.com/skills-directory/pytorch

HackerRank

PyTorch | Skills Directory | HackerRank

Join over 16 million developers in solving code challenges on HackerRank, one of the best ways to prepare for programming interviews.

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:05 PM

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hoary olive its a surround sound speaker system

There might be an optical output on the TV and you'll have to set your TV to optical output only in its audio settings.

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:06 PM

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ye i dont find any "Audio output" though

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Then your TV doesn't have an optical output.

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:07 PM

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my TV has a SPDIF

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huh maybe i turned it off like the idiot i am

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let be check

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Agog_TT201_kabel_optyczny_toslink_tt_spdif_audio_digital_przewod.png

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Also check the input selection on the amp, it might be TV, optical, aux.

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:10 PM

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@tight kraken👋

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:13 PM

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brb gotta turn off my dishwasher

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:13 PM

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ok, it didnt work

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:16 PM

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What is the model of your amp?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:18 PM

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let me get the manual

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:18 PM

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jade knot What is the model of your amp?

XV-DV252

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ok let me go ahead and follow the manual, if you got anything let me know

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:27 PM

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Yo

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How dangles it

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Sore. I hate the bed at my boss' place

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But I'll be home again tonight, so (hopefully) no more sore neck

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It hurts to turn my head to the left

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It's the mattress

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I'm glad you said neck

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"ooOOP"

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Yeah would make more tension

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:29 PM

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@polar linden👋

polar linden Feb 22, 2023, 3:29 PM

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Hello

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:29 PM

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If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate

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Oh that's right it doesn't hyperlink for you does it, Opal

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Oh huh

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Didn't realize they changed it

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Makes sense, in a way

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:30 PM

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someone too worried about security got their hands on formatting

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:30 PM

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"No channel for you!"

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Check out the Hem(lock no access) channel

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That'll tell you what you need to know about not accessing Hem

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https://tenor.com/bITdv.gif

Tenor

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It's worth watching

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I think it holds up

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Although David Spade....

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:32 PM

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@north imp👋

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:32 PM

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@terse needle How did you learn lambda calculus? Was it in school?

north imp Feb 22, 2023, 3:32 PM

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somber heath <@772755059200884736>👋

Hi

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Hey nowar

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Man I really can't stop myself from shortening names...

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Yeah I'm looking over the wiki

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Ohhhhhhh

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Lamb

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That's strong

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Oh ewe

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Right right

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Am I the GOAT of puns?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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I'm always ~~intimidated~~ impressed with how smart you guys are

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:34 PM

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History shall tell.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:35 PM

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Oh, I thought it was when you belittled a weak male

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I never took higher level maths, so it's a lot to wrap my head around

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Highest I did was college algebra

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Never even did trig

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Nope

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:36 PM

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(where does "higher level maths" start?)

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:36 PM

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I mean we did that

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But not the more advanced stuff

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College algebra was just what it was called

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@somber heath I appreciated it

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It's like.... Uni level algebra

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:37 PM

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I once again forgot how our maths school program was ordered

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:38 PM

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I mean we covered those in geometry

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I can gather it

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It'll just take me a bit longer

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You cool with me asking for clarification if I get stuck on this?

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Although I guess we do have quite a few functional junkies on staff

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Hey LX

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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vocal basin *I once again forgot how our maths school program was ordered*

"if you try to teach Riemann integral to high school students, their brains will fail" and the example of that

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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@buoyant basin👋

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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@buoyant basin Yo

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Hello kitty_wave

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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hi bro

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:39 PM

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Opal, the Aussie ninja

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How's it going?

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@midnight agate How're you today?

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:40 PM

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The situation is ruined

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:{

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Are you ok

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Eh

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Fine enough

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Will be better when I get home and sleep in my own bed

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:41 PM

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I hope you are always well, my friend

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:42 PM

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rugged root Will be better when I get home and sleep in my own bed

Excellent

terse needle Feb 22, 2023, 3:42 PM

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@rugged root if you are interested

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https://github.com/jbutcher5/lambda-calculus

GitHub

GitHub - jbutcher5/lambda-calculus: A minimal lambda calculus inter...

A minimal lambda calculus interpreter. Contribute to jbutcher5/lambda-calculus development by creating an account on GitHub.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Cheers, been meaning to ask about it

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@amber raptor Sup

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You sound as cheery as ever

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:42 PM

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I don't sleep at all, my friend

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:43 PM

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Probably not the most healthy thing

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How's your morning been so far, Rab?

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Any co-worker frustrations yet?

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:43 PM

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rugged root Probably not the most healthy thing

True, but I am doing a big project

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Oh yeah?

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What's the project

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@midnight agate I hear ya

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:45 PM

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buoyant basin True, but I am doing a big project

if it's programming and if it takes more than a day to make, sleep will, quite likely, accelerate the process

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Dude... it never fails that one of my co-workers - Nanoic is back - will lock themselves out of one of their accounts

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:45 PM

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rugged root What's the project

One of the sites of the security organization

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:45 PM

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Ooo, nifty

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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rugged root Ooo, nifty

I'm really tired

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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I have a suggestion that might help

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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buoyant basin I'm really tired

sleep

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Yeah that one

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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I did not sleep for 35 hours

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Codes are complicated

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:46 PM

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I can't remember if that's approaching or is past the starting to hallucinate point

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:47 PM

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buoyant basin I did not sleep for 35 hours

I think "go now and sleep for 12 hours at least" is a reasonable advice in this case

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:48 PM

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buoyant basin Codes are complicated

They'll be more complicated the longer you go without sleep

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@civic zephyr Sup

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:48 PM

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I usually have hallucinations at around ~24h of no sleep
less afterwards

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:48 PM

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vocal basin I think "go now and sleep for 12 hours at least" is a reasonable advice in this ...

I have to do this, if I don't, I will definitely be hallucinating

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:48 PM

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@civic zephyr Also, don't take what Charlie yelled at you for to be the word of law

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If I could speak I would have chewed him out, but unfortunately I had to do it via text

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:49 PM

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rugged root They'll be more complicated the longer you go without sleep

yeh

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:49 PM

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buoyant basin I have to do this, if I don't, I will definitely be hallucinating

how many hours more, do you estimate, it's going to take to finish? (the lower bound)

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:49 PM

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Perceptual changes rarely make an appearance before 24 h have elapsed. Only after a whole night without sleep do these experiences start making an appearance (Figure 3A). After 48 h of sleep deprivation, perceptual distortions and hallucinations are reliably elicited (87.5% cumulative percentage of studies)

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Neat

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Although they seem to be more consistent around day 3 or 4

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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vocal basin how many hours more, do you estimate, it's going to take to finish? (the lower b...

2 more days

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Yeah sleep

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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rugged root <@868607586038059038> Also, don't take what Charlie yelled at you for to be the ...

Oh okay just making sure

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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buoyant basin 2 more days

You're going to end up writing poor quality code otherwise

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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civic zephyr Oh okay just making sure

The only aspect that he was right about was just listening to make sure there's no convo going on when you join. Beyond that, he was just being a prick

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:51 PM

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rugged root You're going to end up writing poor quality code otherwise

Exactly right

jade knot Feb 22, 2023, 3:51 PM

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I think you found the same paper as me

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6048360/

PubMed Central (PMC)

Severe Sleep Deprivation Causes Hallucinations and a Gradual Progre...

Background: Going without sleep for long periods of time can produce a range of experiences, including perceptual distortions and hallucinations. Many questions, however, remain unanswered regarding the types of symptoms which are most reliably elicited, ...

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:52 PM

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I'm too lazy to clip
https://youtu.be/30jNsCVLpAE?t=862

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:52 PM

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Ehhhh

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Not necessarily

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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overriding not overwriting, I'd say

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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Oh I see what you're saying

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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vocal basin overriding not overwriting, I'd say

specifically, not shadowing

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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It should also be noted that you do need to use super() in order to set the attributes of the parent classes

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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class A:
    def method(self):
        ...

class B(A):
    def method(self):
        A.method(self) #Calling A.method as a function
        #or
        super().method()```

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)

Or the like

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I really do like what they've done with the code highlighting colors

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@sharp urchin Yo

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It's more muted

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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rugged root <@735191842055913572> Yo

hello:]

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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rugged root It should also be noted that you do need to use super() in order to set the attr...

with that wording, I was about to say "is Hemlock joining the hallucination trend too"?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Do kind of wish it was Monokai

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But I think this is less grating to folks

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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rugged root Do kind of wish it was Monokai

stands out a bit too much

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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better than normal at least:{}

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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For something like Discord yeah

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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Monokai for code highlighting?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Yeah, I use Monokai Pro

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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same

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I like how much they stand out from each other

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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rugged root It should also be noted that you do need to use super() in order to set the attr...

If we don’t do super and just tried to reference an attribute of the parent class then why wouldn’t that work?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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i thought you were implying monokai is a word

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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sublime text uses it, iirc

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I have a good feeling here with you

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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Monokai is OK

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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vocal basin sublime text uses it, iirc

It uses standard Monokai, yeah.

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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hoary olive Monokai is OK

alternative?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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sharp urchin alternative?

Nord, One Dark. Github Theme

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Or just use the default theme

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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@somber heath I'll be honest I missed what you were saying. So I'll just reply with "your mom"

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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hoary olive Nord, One Dark. Github Theme

nahh pro is fine for me

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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civic zephyr If we don’t do super and just tried to reference an attribute of the parent clas...

It wouldn't set them properly, no

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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😂

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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Or wait would it...

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I'm doubting myself

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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rugged root Or wait would it...

I’ve seen a demonstration where a subclass didn’t have a innit so the parent constructor was intialized

buoyant basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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I feel like I'm hallucinating

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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For that subclass

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:58 PM

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Either way, it's proper practice to use super() in most cases for Python inheritance. And yeah, that can happen

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:58 PM

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civic zephyr I’ve seen a demonstration where a subclass didn’t have a innit so the parent con...

thats only when constructor isnt there

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:58 PM

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sharp urchin thats only when constructor isnt there

So I’m the case let’s say a method isn’t present in the subclass

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Then no need to use super()

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:58 PM

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Example of the Monokai theme I currently have on. Spoilered because it's a large image

civic zephyr Feb 22, 2023, 3:59 PM

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So what opal said pretty much in the case of overriding

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 3:59 PM

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super() is generally used to inherit the parent class and initalize automatically if needed

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on its own

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 3:59 PM

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super().__init__ is like "super, isn't it?", but Bri_ish?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 3:59 PM

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If you still need the attributes that the parent class grants, then you'll still - HA that's great - need to do the super().__init__()

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:00 PM

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rugged root Example of the Monokai theme I currently have on. Spoilered because it's a larg...

its not the standard one though

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:00 PM

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It's not

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It's Monokai Pro

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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class Phone:
    def __init__(self, price, brand, camera):
        print ("Inside phone constructor")
        self.__price = price
        self.brand = brand
        self.camera = camera

    def buy(self):
        print ("Buying a phone")

class SmartPhone(Phone):
    def buy(self):
        print ("Buying a smartphone")
        # syntax to call parent method
        super().buy()

s=SmartPhone(20000, "Apple", 13)

s.buy()```

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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Although it's not that much different

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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hope this clears

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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rugged root Example of the Monokai theme I currently have on. Spoilered because it's a larg...

this code is surprisingly hard to judge

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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How do you mean?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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no variety i presume

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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rugged root How do you mean?

formatting and naming doesn't annoy me

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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I try to write clean code when I can

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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!e

print(fr'G:\DMS\{1+2}')

wise cargoBOT Feb 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

G:\DMS\3

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:03 PM

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this is "for real" string

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Thought it was a French string

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Also forgot that was a thing

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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vocal basin !e ```py print(fr'G:\DMS\{1+2}') ```

order doesn't matter

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so, rFench string

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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radio frequency string

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Hmmm, forgot the theme doesn't like it

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I'll have to tweak the behavior

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Easier said than done

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Vscode themes are a pain in the to edit

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:05 PM

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This is Sublime

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Sublime has two ways you can make themes from my experience prior

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You just specify the colors and sublime does the job
You manually edit it (never done that)

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:07 PM

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rugged root Example of the Monokai theme I currently have on. Spoilered because it's a larg...

I'm really liking this colour scheme at the moment, particularly the 'mirage' variant: https://github.com/ayu-theme/ayu-colors

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:07 PM

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@willow lynx Yo

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:08 PM

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sup lx how was your coffee

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Hmm

willow lynx Feb 22, 2023, 4:08 PM

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@rugged root hi

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Feels very.... orange creamcicle

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I don't know how else to explain what I mean

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:08 PM

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hoary olive Vscode themes are a pain in the to edit

"just embed neovim into VS Code"

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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vocal basin "just embed neovim into VS Code"

https://tenor.com/AcU7.gif

Tenor

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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rugged root Feels very.... orange creamcicle

I like the contrasting yellow and blue tbh.

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The light version is not that great though.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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Was gonna say

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Odd that light is the only example they have

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Yeeeahhhh IDLE's themes are god awful

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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there's also Wing

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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True dat

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@versed bane Yo

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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vocal basin there's also Wing

which by default only changes the code part instead of the whole IDE

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iirc

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=somekittens.hot-dog-stand i like this theme

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:11 PM

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vocal basin which by default only changes the code part instead of the whole IDE

I may be confusing it with something else

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:11 PM

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There's a section for IDLE plugins but I don't think I've ever seen them. UNTIL NOW

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https://idlex.sourceforge.net/extensions.html

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I wonder how many of these are still relevant

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Oh wait what?

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There's one that supports Cython syntax

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It does look like a handful of these have already been added in

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A bit what?

versed bane Feb 22, 2023, 4:13 PM

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rugged root <@935867878597611541> Yo

hello..

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:13 PM

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How's it going

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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jade knot

When you absolutely need the whole neighbourhood to know you're playing Tetris.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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PFFF god damn it

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/loud-music-speakers-explode-loud-rock-and-roll-gif-16482155

Tenor

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:15 PM

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The Monokai Pro's sublime-color-scheme file (which is a JSON) is all on one line

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:15 PM

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How did Marty not end up with permanent deafness through the whole series?

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Like, complete and total?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:16 PM

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McFly?

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Yeah.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Not sure, I'm a little shaky on the details

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There's a special hell for me

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:16 PM

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rugged root Not sure, I'm a little shaky on the details

https://tenor.com/view/special-hell-welcome-gif-19875472

Tenor

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:17 PM

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I legit didn't know that was a gif

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Right?

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Did he pass?

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That's unfortunate

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It's been a looooong time since I've seen it

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I might have the box set, actually....

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I'm not sorry

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 4:19 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/389116216889049089/1077955447362949131/FpkUh8dXgAI8S8H.png

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just thought it was amusing

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I would be impressed if they were alive by then

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He just knew, Opal

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He just knew

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@whole bear Hello/goodbye

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Oh

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Oh no

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Nooooooo

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God damn it

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I hate YAML

whole bear Feb 22, 2023, 4:21 PM

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hi

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:21 PM

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@dusk raven Suuuuuup

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Doing okay

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 4:22 PM

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what? whats wrong with yaml? other then the huge loading time

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:22 PM

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pallid hazel what? whats wrong with yaml? other then the huge loading time

Like, so many things lol

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:23 PM

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The adjuster came and went yesterday, so that's all done. The folks in the office next to us (part of the building we own and one of the folks who also suffered water damage) is getting a new desk so I'll be snagging that in the mean time while waiting for cubicle walls and what not

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So in theory, end of the week?

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:23 PM

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stuck furnace Like, so many things lol

It had the potential to be good, but there are so many quirks, complications, and gotchas.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:23 PM

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But still not to the point I'll be happy with

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I hate it

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Give me regular JSON or TOML any day of the week

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:24 PM

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StrictYAML might be ok: https://hitchdev.com/strictyaml/

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Although I don't think it's widely known.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Oooo neat

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Moving buddies

willow lynx Feb 22, 2023, 4:25 PM

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What's up

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Not much, you?

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@past oar Sup

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 4:25 PM

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eh.. my limited exp with seems ok so far, used as config and data.. but then the scripts i use it for give a structure to follow.. so not much exp beyound that..

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Indifferent

willow lynx Feb 22, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Just sad 🙂

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Erm, it depends really yeah.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:26 PM

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I'm sorry

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@past oar It's an indifferent thing. A lot of languages have type inference anymore

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So you may not have to declare type anyway

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They still need to know how to handle types in Python

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Dynamic typing is great for development speed early on, but as the software gets more complex, and more developers get involved, the benefits of static typing become apparent.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Yarp

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:27 PM

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@past oar are you aware that python has optional static typing?

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:28 PM

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rugged root <@716653730551824487> It's an indifferent thing. A lot of languages have type i...

#voice-chat-text-0 message

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:28 PM

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That's not a hallucination thing

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You can code Python the same way you would code a static language

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:28 PM

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stuck furnace Dynamic typing is great for development speed early on, but as the software gets...

Mostly for communicating between developers, and statically verifying type correctness.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Wait LX, do you mean the built in typeguard?

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Python is discord_sparkles 🌈 multi-paradigm 🌈

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Word

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:29 PM

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rugged root Wait LX, do you mean the built in typeguard?

Not sure what you're referring to sorry pithink

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:30 PM

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Hold on... second guessing myself, one sec

dusk raven Feb 22, 2023, 4:30 PM

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https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html

Python documentation

typing — Support for type hints

Source code: Lib/typing.py This module provides runtime support for type hints. The most fundamental support consists of the types Any, Union, Callable, TypeVar, and Generic. For a full specificati...

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:30 PM

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vocal basin https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/412357430186344448/1077981839320...

(that was purely because of grammar/wording, almost just as in the first case)

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:30 PM

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You just add this to the curriculum

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:31 PM

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time to check pylanced.py

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:31 PM

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vocal basin time to check pylanced.py

still broken

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:31 PM

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I swear to god there was a built in type enforcement

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Eh

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I mean

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:33 PM

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rugged root Wait LX, do you mean the built in typeguard?

Oh right sorry, I just mean checking types with Mypy or Pyright.

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:33 PM

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vocal basin still broken

contravariance + tuple covariance => broken Pylance

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Right right

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-shrugs- I've always just written Python as if it's static

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:34 PM

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rugged root I swear to god there was a built in type enforcement

Yeah you can create a function which is type guard, meaning that function can be understood by static type checkers.

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https://peps.python.org/pep-0647/

PEP 647 – User-Defined Type Guards | peps.python.org

Python Enhancement Proposals (PEPs)

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:34 PM

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One variable, one type, one purpose

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Yes

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Python does not require any kind of internet connection

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So long as you have a version of Python on there

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Then yes, it'll work

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There is no hard requirement for an internet connection

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@past oar

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Thonny?

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Mu-Editor

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:36 PM

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rugged root There is no hard requirement for an internet connection

IDEs may be unhappy

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:36 PM

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I... I don't think PyCharm even bitches about it

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VS proper doesn't

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:37 PM

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vocal basin IDEs may be unhappy

"who cares about IDEs just write code in ed"

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:37 PM

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I'm confused what you mean

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Thumb drive

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I too shall dongle

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Or just have access to the docs. Actually does Python come with the docs?

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I think it might...

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The windows machines are easy

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:39 PM

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vocal basin "who cares about IDEs just write code in ed"

IDEs should be used. text editors aren't enough for effective learning.
debuggers are important. auto-completion is (sometimes) a benefit too.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:39 PM

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Just get an installer for something like Thonny or Mu-Editor which comes with their own Python version

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Or that

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Opal lives in the computer stone ages

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If it works it works

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2008

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The year I graduated high school

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Dude, there are computers from the 80's that still work

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Don't be surprised

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:41 PM

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!e

import os
print(os.system("man python"))

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:41 PM

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Maybe I'm thinking rust

wise cargoBOT Feb 22, 2023, 4:41 PM

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@hoary olive :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:41 PM

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@past oar How old are you again?

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Not necessarily

#

Some just work

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Again

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This is 2008

#

Different system demands

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:42 PM

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4 is ok

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:42 PM

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SOMA
what an amazing game
(might have misheard what got mentioned)

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:42 PM

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windows 11 runs on xmb of ram

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:42 PM

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SOMA is great

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:42 PM

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vocal basin >SOMA what an amazing game (might have misheard what got mentioned)

says 4GB RAM required

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Is what it is

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Meh

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:43 PM

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phones dont require that much ram

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Do you use a flash drive to use... what was it... ReadyBoost?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:44 PM

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Opal whats your CPU?

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:44 PM

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with nothing open, phones seem to use 50% RAM, I guess

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:44 PM

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rugged root Do you use a flash drive to use... what was it... ReadyBoost?

You mean using your Flash for mem?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:44 PM

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Yarp

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Did that on a few machines

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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its a windows feature

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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It was an option on Windows 7 and higher

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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vocal basin with nothing open, phones seem to use 50% RAM, I guess

pushing the usage by running stuff in termux is fun

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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You just plug it in, and turn it on

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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you can even do that with HDD

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its called swap

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/usb-and-sd-storage-media-readyboost-with-a-sd-card-or-a-flash-drive-f19ab915-5f8a-b131-e6d8-a6900154a42c

USB and SD storage media – ReadyBoost with a SD card or a flash dri...

Read here how you use a USB flash drive or a SD card in Windows 7 for Windows ReadyBoost.

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On Windows it's ReadyBoost, yeah

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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vocal basin says 4GB RAM required

minimal Windows version: Vista

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Ah forgot it was vista

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Wasn't a terrible option

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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i barely use any swap myself i highly doubt it being that useful

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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"everything can have a file handle not everything is a file" or something

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Was

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Not is

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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i knew this guy that had 20GB of swap

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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But on Opal's old machine, it could be a benefit

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Yep, I've heard that

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Who says that?

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I've heard 2G being standard

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:47 PM

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Yep

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VirtualMemory

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You can tweak it, by default it'll handle it itself

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@past oar

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:47 PM

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I have the swap file on Windows limited to 16GB, iirc

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:47 PM

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Or PageMemory I think?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:48 PM

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rugged root VirtualMemory

Vram

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Dram is standard

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Vram does way more operations slower

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:48 PM

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vocal basin I have the swap file on Windows limited to 16GB, iirc

meanwhile linux, only 31M of swap used:

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Right

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:48 PM

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They use VRAM for crypto
And a gpu

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM

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-rolls eyes- here we go

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM

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so that many more cores, and more processes , but slower

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM

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vocal basin meanwhile linux, only 31M of swap used:

I didn't configure docker to use it, so, eh, predictable

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM

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theres no linux file system

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Linux has

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:49 PM

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Uggghhhhh I don't want to listen to another OS war/Windows bashing system

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It's exhausting

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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LVM, BTRFS, Ext3, ZFS etc...

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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What distro would you push

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Honestly

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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didnt dell make a linux laptop?

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Do computing stores like that still exit? pithink

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:50 PM

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rugged root What distro would you push

Mint for sure

somber heath Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Ubuntu, probably.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Linux is a very very very very very tiny part of the market for home computers

stuck furnace Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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I literally haven't been to one in like 10 years.

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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It's not as well known, not as intuitive, not as regular user friendly

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Joyent had laptops with Solaris installed (rare) stolen twice
now there's a legend about a thief who targets Solaris laptops specifically

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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There isn't as much support out there for it

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Not as many programs support it

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I could go on

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It's not good for normal users

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Meh

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:51 PM

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https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/21/23272166/dell-xps-13-plus-project-sputnik-linux-laptop-ubuntu

The Verge

Dell’s XPS 13 Plus is the first laptop certified for Ubuntu 22.04 L...

If you want a laptop with touch buttons and Linux, this is it

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:52 PM

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Didn't you literally say you hate Windows?

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Gaming

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NTFS

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:52 PM

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yep NTFS by default

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:52 PM

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And exFAT for flash drives anymore

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Well

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For larger flash drives

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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NTFS is faster than FAT32

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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I'm not

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They're cheap

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Accessible

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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so its a good file system

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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hoary olive so its a good file system

Good but not as globally compatible

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@past oar You just answered your question as to why you don't see linux machines in stores

vocal basin Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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hoary olive NTFS is faster than FAT32

low hanging bar?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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what :?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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The folks who know and want linux are power users

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:53 PM

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"Globally compatible?"

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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FAT32 is readable on damn near everything

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NTFS not as much

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Updating firmware on a printer? FAT32

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Moving files from Windows to Linux and back again?

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Ye thats why ppl flash drivers as FAT32

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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FAT32

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Exactly

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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Flash != HDD

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Although exFAT is getting more - I know

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However, Linux struggles to deal with NTFS out of the box

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:55 PM

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I doubt you can do NTFS on a flash

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:55 PM

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You can

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Provided you have a large one

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@somber heath I've seen it support reading but not writing

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Who uses linux with ntfs .....

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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My use case was extracting files from a dying hard drive that Windows would open but I could with Linux

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It was NTFS

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Depends on the load

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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*would not

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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When you boot it up it does that?

past oar Feb 22, 2023, 4:56 PM

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ive heard recuva or hbcd is good for recovering windows drives

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:57 PM

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It wasn't even recognizing that there was a drive

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Thankfully I have Manjaro installed (properly installed, not a live USB) on a flash drive for situations like that

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And Manjaro specifically because of hardware compatibility

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It just works

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 4:57 PM

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Could you say when it does that , and what brand you GPU is? Mjzo

past oar Feb 22, 2023, 4:57 PM

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i recently bought a handful of usbs for students to test drive different distros

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:58 PM

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You talking regular Joe on the street?

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Later DELTA

past oar Feb 22, 2023, 4:58 PM

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yes but with some basic hardware and programming knowledge

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 4:59 PM

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You're going to have a much harder time selling that

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All the programs that normal folks would use already have Windows installs

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Unlikely they'll have Linux ones

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I think with the sheer amount of support and knowledge base that's out there, and how commonly exposed they are to Windows or Mac, unless they're really interested, it feels pointless to try and get them on Linux

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Now, I do have an exception

hoary olive Feb 22, 2023, 5:01 PM

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aight gonna head out guys, enjoy your day

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:01 PM

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If someone really only browses the web and needs a simple cheap machine, absolutely

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Later Phantom

sharp urchin Feb 22, 2023, 5:02 PM

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cyber sec?

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:04 PM

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@lavish rover Hey buddy

lavish rover Feb 22, 2023, 5:05 PM

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hola

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como estas

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:05 PM

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Hanging in there. You?

lavish rover Feb 22, 2023, 5:05 PM

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wish I was

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At least I figured out how not to rebuild 11k files

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goofy ass build system

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:06 PM

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Goooood

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Was it a simple thing to fix or were there a lot of bullshit steps

lavish rover Feb 22, 2023, 5:07 PM

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Need to start a docker shell and use this script they have to build

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Just would have never guessed

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The usual way to build anything at Amazon is using our central build system called brazil

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Except this one project apparently

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:08 PM

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That's

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SO dumb

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So how long do builds take now

lavish rover Feb 22, 2023, 5:09 PM

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It builds only what's necessary so not more than a minute

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Nifty

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Lots of red balloons

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Is that all?

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https://tenor.com/bzShA.gif

Tenor

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HA

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Wrong Rust

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It was a joke

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I'm not admin anymore

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@blazing sinew Is the card still under warranty?

lavish rover Feb 22, 2023, 5:13 PM

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rugged root I'm not admin anymore

it's not like I was actually serious

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 5:13 PM

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Oh I know I know

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Just hits me every now and then

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Crap, back later, sorry

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 5:44 PM

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i keep wanting to go outside.. but i cant even get the pets togo.. below 10f atm..

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 7:00 PM

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Sup

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 7:12 PM

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was taking a nap, nothing else besides work todo.. and well.. they dont respect my hours so.. anyways why cats such pricks when they find you taking a nap.. wake you up curely.. you get up and they just go take a nap..

limpid umbra Feb 22, 2023, 7:15 PM

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imagines - an array of sleeping cat based heating elements to power ? it could be done....

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 7:43 PM

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As soon as they realized they were being useful they would leave

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 7:43 PM

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pallid hazel was taking a nap, nothing else besides work todo.. and well.. they dont respect ...

Don't respect your hours in what way?

pallid hazel Feb 22, 2023, 9:14 PM

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i generally work 3am to 1pm, breaks, lunch, 1hr workout included... and they constantly call me during business hours and even after.. often when im not even oncall upto 9pm

quaint oyster Feb 22, 2023, 10:26 PM

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rugged root If someone really only browses the web and needs a simple cheap machine, absolut...

Bruh linux isn't for the programs that normal folks use

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windows registry is a fucking nightmare

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linux kernel is just superior

rugged root Feb 22, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Cool, I don't care

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I'm not getting dragged into another one of these convos

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It's exhausting

quaint oyster Feb 22, 2023, 10:27 PM

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LOL

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true

willow light Feb 23, 2023, 1:11 AM

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quaint oyster Bruh linux isn't for the programs that normal folks use

Yes, but we got a really good deal on the enterprise windows plan, so we aren’t going to give it up because the sunken cost fallacy

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 2:50 AM

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hello

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whats up?

tulip plover Feb 23, 2023, 4:21 AM

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from sklearn.tree import DecisionTreeRegressor

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 4:52 AM

#

unlike the English Wiktionary, simple English Wiktionary has the pronunciation of "cellular"

#

syntax isn't that much important to understanding the code after some level of general knowledge
except for very weird languages

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 4:59 AM

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@valid night👋

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 5:01 AM

#

#roles message

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 5:17 AM

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@whole bear
deep learning is a subset of machine learning, so it's kind of semantically impossible to learn deep learning before machine learning

whole bear Feb 23, 2023, 5:17 AM

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makes sense

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 5:24 AM

#

is Australian variant of Emo called Emu?

#

"ethics are important for programming, Uber"

#

I don't understand what "sentience" means

#

I understand the obvious difference with most of the current popular text AIs:
it doesn't think if you don't talk to it
(no background process)

#

like, if ChatGPT answers your question, it can't on its own decide "oh, I answered wrongly, here's a correction" without user prompting for it

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the model that GPT aims to replicate isn't fit for that

whole bear Feb 23, 2023, 6:04 AM

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@tulip plover

#

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:12 AM

#

this seems to be for people who already work with most of it

whole bear Feb 23, 2023, 6:13 AM

#

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:15 AM

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I have no idea what this is

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:23 AM

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@wintry mulch👋

wintry mulch Feb 23, 2023, 6:23 AM

#

h

whole bear Feb 23, 2023, 6:25 AM

#

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:25 AM

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my specialisation

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never saw this acronym before

#

it being v2 might imply something

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:34 AM

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vocal basin *my specialisation*

I still have a (relatively useless) pdf on trying to understand formal requirements for hash functions

#

in short, if you can invert a composition of two hash functions, you can invert one of that hash functions too

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because composing the other hash function with the algorithm to reverse the composition gives the necessary algorithm

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:39 AM

#

vocal basin I still have a (relatively useless) pdf on trying to understand formal requireme...

the paper itself talks more about frequencies in other situations

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:40 AM

#

@grave idol👋

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:40 AM

#

vocal basin the paper itself talks more about frequencies in other situations

there's like, the thing about hash functions needing to produce the same (frequency-wise) outputs on different input subsets

#

elliptic curves aren't used much on practice
Edwards curves are easier to compute

#

those two types are isomorphic

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"isomorphic" meaning "equivalent" with regards to some structure

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group structure in this case

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:43 AM

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vocal basin group structure in this case

topology has isomorphisms too

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:44 AM

#

hi 👋

#

Does pycharm shout at me for this cus it's dumb?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:45 AM

#

dreamy stump Does pycharm shout at me for this cus it's dumb?

invalid SQL
this is not f-string
don't do this, you're risking an SQL injection

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:45 AM

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vocal basin 1) invalid SQL 2) this is not f-string 3) don't do this, you're risking an SQL i...

?

#

????

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fmt.format()

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pithink

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:45 AM

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dreamy stump Does pycharm shout at me for this cus it's dumb?

red error is because this is invalid SQL

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it doesn't know you use format later

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

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vocal basin red error is because this is invalid SQL

so pycharm is dumb?

#

or am I

#

?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

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vocal basin topology has isomorphisms too

all types of topology, I'd say
isomorphisms are quite fundamental

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

#

dreamy stump ?

neither

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

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that sounds too complicated

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

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dreamy stump Does pycharm shout at me for this cus it's dumb?

SQLAlchemy?

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:46 AM

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well it doesn't shout at me for this

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

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vocal basin SQLAlchemy?

Postgres

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

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dreamy stump Postgres

where does __tablename__ come from?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

#

hi can someone please help me understand wha ti am doing wrong

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

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vocal basin where does `__tablename__` come from?

self.table

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

#

i've searched all over google and even chatgpt and nothing has helped

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

#

mint loom hi can someone please help me understand wha ti am doing wrong

im trying to run a tkinter program

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:47 AM

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dreamy stump self.table

what type is it?

#

is it from SQLAlchemy?

dreamy stump Feb 23, 2023, 6:48 AM

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vocal basin is it from SQLAlchemy?

no

#

my own

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it has __tablename__ don't worry

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:49 AM

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this is my specific issue

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:49 AM

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mint loom im trying to run a tkinter program

This doesn't appear to be a Python traceback message. This looks like something is throwing a bit of a wobbly.

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Like Python itself, rather than the code and Python going, "okay, here's what happened"

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:49 AM

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oh

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but it works when i only run that single function

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:50 AM

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Can we see the code as a whole?

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!paste

wise cargoBOT Feb 23, 2023, 6:50 AM

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mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:50 AM

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however, when i try to instantiate a class before calling that function

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:50 AM

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somber heath Can we see the code as a whole?

yes for sure

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one second

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apologies for the wonky formatting, i copy pasted multiple modules into a single file

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but my concern is mainly with the HorizontalDistancePrompt method under the Display() class (bottom part of the code)

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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This isn't what's causing the problem.

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But have a look at it and bookmark it, anyway.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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my capitalisation

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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See: Naming conventions.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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yes

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Yes.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:54 AM

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yes i am aware of that issue too haha thanks tho

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:55 AM

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Is this in a form I can run, directly?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:55 AM

#

mint loom but my concern is mainly with the HorizontalDistancePrompt method under the Disp...

also this method runs fine on its own

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:55 AM

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somber heath Is this in a form I can run, directly?

yes

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should be

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wait no u dont have the

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video files tho

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:55 AM

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Ah.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:55 AM

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cuz it uses opencv

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i can send the video file if that's allowed?

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it's a 1 second video lol

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:56 AM

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You'll have difficulty.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:56 AM

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ah

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well basically the program just detects a green tennis ball

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being thrown

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:56 AM

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I don't know what might cause the problem. My guess is OpenCV.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:56 AM

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hmm

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ahhh

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dammit

#

im stumped

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:57 AM

#

You might need to reinstall some stuff.

#

Or use a different version of Python.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:57 AM

#

hmm

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 6:58 AM

#

try to reduce code to the minimal size where it causes the problem

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:58 AM

#

something that doesnt sit right w me is the fact that the method runs perfectly fine when it is isolated in a file of its own

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:58 AM

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Or use a different version of the framework. Maybe update it.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:58 AM

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somber heath Or use a different version of the framework. Maybe update it.

how do i do that haha sorry im rly bad at this

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:58 AM

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Maybe make sure your pip is updated.

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I don't use it.

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One moment.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 6:59 AM

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vocal basin try to reduce code to the minimal size where it causes the problem

hmm yeah i could do that

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 6:59 AM

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python -m pip install --upgrade pip

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Do this one first.

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You're on Windows?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:00 AM

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mac

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 7:01 AM

#

How do you invoke Python at the command line?

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python3, python3.11, python?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:01 AM

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pip3

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 7:01 AM

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Python.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:01 AM

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it's ok i googled

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and i reinstalled pip

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using mac commands

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:02 AM

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somber heath `python3`, `python3.11`, `python`?

python3 i think

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ya python3

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 7:02 AM

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Okay, then python3 -m pip install --upgrade pip

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Check what version of Python that's pointing to, too.

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Check that it's compatible with opencv

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from there python3 -m pip install <packagename> --upgrade

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 7:03 AM

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venv aliases python to python3
(if it's used and activated)

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 7:03 AM

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Where <packagename> is opencv or whatever

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:04 AM

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ah

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 7:04 AM

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You might like to try to upgrade scipy while you're at it

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 7:04 AM

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alrighty i will

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attempt that

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thank you i’ll update again after i try

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 7:06 AM

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somber heath Where <packagename> is opencv or whatever

there's opencv-python

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first time finding this:
https://github.com/pypa/manylinux

GitHub

GitHub - pypa/manylinux: Python wheels that work on any linux (almost)

Python wheels that work on any linux (almost). Contribute to pypa/manylinux development by creating an account on GitHub.

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(was referenced in opencv-python)

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 7:12 AM

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vocal basin first time finding this: https://github.com/pypa/manylinux

its docker image comes with gfortran installed

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:03 AM

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hello is anybody there?

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:05 AM

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@arctic dome check u dms pls

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:05 AM

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stray swan hello is anybody there?

Hey could u help me?

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:05 AM

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im currently writing something called wwm i uses a mix of autohotkey/python.
im not a programmer i just have basics.

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with what?

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:06 AM

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i installed python and if i enter in cmd the python --version i become a failed message

#

@stray swan

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:07 AM

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hmm can you purge python ? by that i mean uninstalling it completely.

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then you can just use scoop package manager to install it

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:07 AM

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i did but still not working

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:07 AM

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scoop will autoadd your installed apps to your path

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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I writed u dm

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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can you check that no traces of python left on your pc?

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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ye

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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you can check that with wiztree

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gmm i hear nothing.

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did the dm decline?

maiden abyss Feb 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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nah

#

Maybe write me in dm

stray swan Feb 23, 2023, 9:09 AM

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ok

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 11:52 AM

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somber heath Check that it's compatible with opencv

ah i think opencv is the issue

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the error occurs when i try to instantiate this class

#

but idk how to fix it ugh

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:07 PM

#

@somber heath hi sorry for the ping but i think i have found the problem

#

from Display import *


import cv2
import numpy as np

# Define the range of green color in HSV format
green_lower = np.array([40, 50, 50])
green_upper = np.array([80, 255, 255])

# Read the video file
cap = cv2.VideoCapture('videos/trim1.MOV')

# Loop through each frame of the video
while cap.isOpened():
    ret, frame = cap.read()
    if not ret:
        break
        
    # Convert the frame from RGB to HSV color space
    hsv = cv2.cvtColor(frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2HSV)

    # Apply the green color threshold to the HSV image
    mask = cv2.inRange(hsv, green_lower, green_upper)

    # Perform morphological operations to remove noise and fill gaps
    kernel = cv2.getStructuringElement(cv2.MORPH_ELLIPSE, (5, 5))
    mask = cv2.erode(mask, kernel, iterations=2)
    mask = cv2.dilate(mask, kernel, iterations=2)

    # Find contours in the binary image
    contours, _ = cv2.findContours(mask, cv2.RETR_EXTERNAL, cv2.CHAIN_APPROX_SIMPLE)

    # Loop through each contour and filter based on size and shape
    for cnt in contours:
        area = cv2.contourArea(cnt)
        if area > 500:  # adjust the area threshold based on your specific case
            perimeter = cv2.arcLength(cnt, True)
            approx = cv2.approxPolyDP(cnt, 0.03 * perimeter, True)
            if len(approx) >= 8:
                # Draw a bounding box around the detected ball
                x, y, w, h = cv2.boundingRect(cnt)
                cv2.rectangle(frame, (x, y), (x + w, y + h), (0, 255, 0), 2)

    # Display the video with the bounding box overlayed on each frame
    cv2.imshow('green ball detection', frame)
    if cv2.waitKey(1) == ord('q'):
        break

# Release the video capture and destroy all windows
cap.release()
cv2.destroyAllWindows()
display = Display()
display.HorizontalDistancePrompt(6, 5, 10)

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this code here

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it uses opencv to play a video

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then it runs the tkinter gui code

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and it gives the same error

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which confirms my suspicions that the opencv video display is causing it

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i am not sure on how to fix this issue. does it have anything to do with opencv's compatibility with tkinter?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:09 PM

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mint loom this code here

this code isnt from the previous huge chunk of program. i just created a random one which displays a random video using opencv and then trying to display a tkinter gui

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yeah same issue

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 12:14 PM

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Both tkinter and opencv aren't things I use.

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Seek those who do.

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:15 PM

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somber heath Seek those who do.

ah yes. tysm for the help tho

lucid blade Feb 23, 2023, 12:49 PM

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tkinter is a pain in zeee bum ... havent used for years but when i did i remember it being longwinded and not well documented (but im going back a long time)

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:50 PM

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mint loom yeah same issue

what line errors?

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or does it just fail to start at all?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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vocal basin what line errors?

my device just can’t run to tkinter after running opencv

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lemme show u another example code ( a very short runnable one) that won’t run on my mac

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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mint loom my device just can’t run to tkinter after running opencv

after running or after importing?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:51 PM

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but it executed perfectly on my friend’s windows

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import cv2
import numpy as np

# Define the range of green color in HSV format
green_lower = np.array([40, 50, 50])
green_upper = np.array([80, 255, 255])

# Read the video file
cap = cv2.VideoCapture('videos/trim1.MOV')

# Loop through each frame of the video
while cap.isOpened():
    ret, frame = cap.read()
    if not ret:
        break
        
    # Convert the frame from RGB to HSV color space
    hsv = cv2.cvtColor(frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2HSV)

    # Apply the green color threshold to the HSV image
    mask = cv2.inRange(hsv, green_lower, green_upper)

    # Perform morphological operations to remove noise and fill gaps
    kernel = cv2.getStructuringElement(cv2.MORPH_ELLIPSE, (5, 5))
    mask = cv2.erode(mask, kernel, iterations=2)
    mask = cv2.dilate(mask, kernel, iterations=2)

    # Find contours in the binary image
    contours, _ = cv2.findContours(mask, cv2.RETR_EXTERNAL, cv2.CHAIN_APPROX_SIMPLE)

    # Loop through each contour and filter based on size and shape
    for cnt in contours:
        area = cv2.contourArea(cnt)
        if area > 500:  # adjust the area threshold based on your specific case
            perimeter = cv2.arcLength(cnt, True)
            approx = cv2.approxPolyDP(cnt, 0.03 * perimeter, True)
            if len(approx) >= 8:
                # Draw a bounding box around the detected ball
                x, y, w, h = cv2.boundingRect(cnt)
                cv2.rectangle(frame, (x, y), (x + w, y + h), (0, 255, 0), 2)

    # Display the video with the bounding box overlayed on each frame
    cv2.imshow('green ball detection', frame)
    if cv2.waitKey(1) == ord('q'):
        break

cap.release()
cv2.destroyAllWindows()

import tkinter as tk
window = tk.Tk()
window.title("My Program")

label = tk.Label(window, text="Welcome to my program!")
label.pack()

button = tk.Button(window, text="Click me!")
button.pack()

window.mainloop()

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:52 PM

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vocal basin after running or after importing?

midway running

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:52 PM

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mint loom ```py import cv2 import numpy as np # Define the range of green color in HSV fo...

this code won’t run for me but it runs on windows???

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i don’t even know anymore 😔

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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echidna

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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what

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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vocal basin echidna

(response to Kirti)

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:53 PM

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oh

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 12:54 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/yQqJlX0.jpg

Imgur

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:54 PM

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mint loom midway running

so, it crashes during window.mainloop()?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:55 PM

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no tkinter won’t even start

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like the window

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tkinter window doesn’t open

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 12:55 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus

Platypus

The platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus), sometimes referred to as the duck-billed platypus, is a semiaquatic, egg-laying mammal endemic to eastern Australia, including Tasmania. The platypus is the sole living representative or monotypic taxon of its family (Ornithorhynchidae) and genus (Ornithorhynchus), though a number of related species appe...

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 12:55 PM

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and the error is thrown

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 12:55 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna

Echidna

Echidnas (), sometimes known as spiny anteaters, are quill-covered monotremes (egg-laying mammals) belonging to the family Tachyglossidae . The four extant species of echidnas and the platypus are the only living mammals that lay eggs and the only surviving members of the order Monotremata. The diet of some species consists of ants and termites,...

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 12:56 PM

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mint loom no tkinter won’t even start

can you run it in a debugger or add prints to determine when the error happens?

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the error may be happening in the import tkinter as tk

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or even earlier (what would mean that tkinter isn't an issue)

lucid blade Feb 23, 2023, 1:00 PM

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have u tried a standalone tkinter project?

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ie. just a form with hello world

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?

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 1:07 PM

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vocal basin can you run it in a debugger or add prints to determine when the error happens?

yea good idea i’ll try that

mint loom Feb 23, 2023, 1:07 PM

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lucid blade have u tried a standalone tkinter project?

yup it works perfectly fine

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same goes for opencv as well

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stand-alone opencv works

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but together is no go

lucid blade Feb 23, 2023, 1:09 PM

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hmm

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:10 PM

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tk also uses its own language (tcl) to some extent

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:12 PM

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hey AF did you code in C++ for the competitive programming which you mentioned earlier?

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or used python?

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only

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:13 PM

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yes, because C++ is de facto the main language for most of competitive programming where I participated

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:13 PM

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as either ways i am learning algos so i was thinking to go in cp....what do you say??

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ohh ok

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 1:14 PM

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@lusty fjord 👋

steady token Feb 23, 2023, 1:14 PM

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good morning guys

lusty fjord Feb 23, 2023, 1:14 PM

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somber heath <@957615512278405200> 👋

ye ?

steady token Feb 23, 2023, 1:14 PM

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bye bye

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:14 PM

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vocal basin yes, because C++ is de facto the main language for most of competitive programmi...

for most cases, only C++ and Rust provide the necessary combination of program speed and programming speed

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Igorrr?

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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ahh

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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vocal basin Igorrr?

oh, no, the movie

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Igor

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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so me knowing only C and python should focus on more learning

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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vocal basin Igor

I watched it recently

somber heath Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_(film)

Igor (film)

Igor is a 2008 computer-animated horror comedy film directed by Tony Leondis from a screenplay by Chris McKenna. Igor, developed and produced by Max Howard with the California-based Exodus Film Group, was the first feature-length animated film to be financed with private equity. The animation was completed at France's Sparx Animation Studios and...

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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perhaps rust

lusty fjord Feb 23, 2023, 1:15 PM

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@somber heath why u ping me

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:16 PM

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vocal basin for most cases, only C++ and Rust provide the necessary combination of program s...

if you can learn and use Rust for it, use Rust instead of C++

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:16 PM

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lusty fjord <@317279909112446976> why u ping me

just greeting

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:16 PM

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hmm so will go ahead with rust ...ty

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yt can sometimes be "deceptive"

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:17 PM

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Rust has a difficult thing with lifetimes
but for most simple architectures (ones more likely to be present in algorithmic problems) it won't cause much issues

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:17 PM

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they claim tht knowing python with the adequate knowledge should do it

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Python for speed relies on libraries written in C, C++, Fortran, etc.

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:18 PM

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which one do you recommend then?

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c++?

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slick

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i recall

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Rust for dynamic programming problems isn't in any way more difficult than C++

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:18 PM

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yeh

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thts slick

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true but i already know C

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so it might be a way for me

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:19 PM

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vocal basin Rust for dynamic programming problems isn't in any way more difficult than C++

for working with vectors (lists in python) it's way easier

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same for dictionaries

steady token Feb 23, 2023, 1:19 PM

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c++ is easier than java?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:20 PM

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steady token c++ is easier than java?

depends on what you write

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:20 PM

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agree

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:20 PM

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steady token c++ is easier than java?

generally, no
it's messier and more syntax heavy

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:20 PM

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why does industries use python much then?

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if it isnt the fastest lang out there

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in fact slow many times

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implement?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:20 PM

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sharp urchin if it isnt the fastest lang out there

heavy tasks aren't written in python

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

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is that what they require in industries?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

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numpy uses C or something

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

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sharp urchin implement?

.

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yeh cuz idts industries needs implementation over speed

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:21 PM

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vocal basin numpy uses C or something

checked, it's C

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and Cython for bindings

steady token Feb 23, 2023, 1:22 PM

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vocal basin generally, no it's messier and more syntax heavy

good to know

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i just started to learn java

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:22 PM

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i agree

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but i always thought they needed speed in there

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which made me question the usage of python

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but i get it

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hmmm

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makes sense

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:23 PM

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steady token c++ is easier than java?

out of that kind of languages, I'd probably go with Rust or .NET (Core) C#

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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i sadly started with it

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:[

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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C++++

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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nahh

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tf

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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vocal basin out of that kind of languages, I'd probably go with Rust or .NET (Core) C#

sadly, most of my C# code is for Framework not Core

steady token Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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vocal basin out of that kind of languages, I'd probably go with Rust or .NET (Core) C#

for backend?

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:24 PM

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is it fr?

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no jokes?

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:25 PM

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steady token for backend?

in what sense "backend"?

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:25 PM

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ayoo

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thts a language!!!

lucid blade Feb 23, 2023, 1:25 PM

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>++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<.>++++[<+++++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>++++++[<+++++++>-]<+ +.------------.>++++++[<+++++++++>-]<+.<.+++.------.--------.>>>++++[<++++++++>- ]<+.

sharp urchin Feb 23, 2023, 1:25 PM

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:{

vocal basin Feb 23, 2023, 1:25 PM

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vocal basin out of that kind of languages, I'd probably go with Rust or .NET (Core) C#

C# has quite good UI libraries too