whats the point in doing that tbf
#voice-chat-text-0
hoary olive
sharp urchin
using those skills yeh
wide gorge
still did dos
sharp urchin
🥸 i see
hoary olive
DDOS isnt hard to do
wide gorge
dos is sending traffic in flood, ddos is doing it with more pcs
vocal basin
minesweeper's happening
chrome pewter
dos is sending traffic in flood, ddos is doing it with more pcs
yeah I know
wide gorge
ok
chrome pewter
that's why it didn't affected
hoary olive
i presume you could just have a script that DDOSES, that optimizes all cores (performance cors, etc ....)
even ping google.com could be considered DDOS
vocal basin
how many attacking computers did you use?
rugged root
DDoS prompt
chrome pewter
how many attacking computers did you use?
1
wide gorge
yea, it's confusing
slim edge
ddos is easier to say, seperates the concept from so many other abbreviations
chrome pewter
it's DoS not DDoS then
oh
rugged root
Plus some of us would get confused with the old DOS prompt
chrome pewter
I didn't knew that
hoary olive
hi robb
rugged root
(hence the joke)
slim edge
Hi phantom
rugged root
The first D in DDOS stands for Distributed
But since it's just one attacker, there's no distribution
I think?
wide gorge
(Distributed Denial Of Service)
vocal basin
ddos is easier to say, seperates the concept from so many other abbreviations
DoS stands for denial of service
DOS stands for bad unix ripoff by Microsoft
rugged root
Unless I did a dum - okay right yeah
slim edge
Create a virtual environment -> Upgrading DOS to DDOS
somber heath
DDoS prompt
One command line environment. Multiple networked keyboards. Zero escape. Next up on...
DDos Prompt
slim edge
Super hacker
rugged root
TWO PRMOPTS ENTER, ONE PROMPT LEAVES
hoary olive
man DDOS scripts have 8k stars on github wtf
slim edge
TWO PRMOPTS ENTER, ONE PROMPT LEAVES
Thunder-DOS
rugged root
HA
So glad someone got that
Was worried I was dating myself a bit
because no on else will
I don't know why I made that joke, I'm married
But the opportunity was there
slim edge
Yeah, to cure clinical depression
rugged root
HA
OH OH OH OH OH, Opal I did listen to the music
And I have one for you
Hey noob
What's up
wide gorge
is this syntax cool? ```kt
fun sum(a: Int, b: Int): Int = a + b
fun main() = {
val a = 5;
val b = 5;
println(sum(a, b));
}
@whole bear Sup brah
rugged root
I'm too predictable it seems
whole bear
Wazzuuuuuupp
vocal basin
whatever is happening, sounds complicated tbh
whole bear
I wasn't following
rugged root
It's hard to know without me having more extensive knowledge or my hands in the code base like that
whole bear
What are we discussing ?
slim edge
Nothing important atm
rugged root
Like I got the loose idea
You can make each connection a object
Having a general class for that might be helpful
Although I don't think it'd be a data class specifically
Yeah, that's the thing. It's like buying a grill, you convince yourself that you're going to grill every day, every meal
vocal basin
I was never imaginative enough to ever go class crazy
glad crow
is this syntax cool? ```kt
fun sum(a: Int, b: Int): Int = a + b
fun main() = {
...
!e
import requests
print(requests.get("ipinfo.io").text)
wise cargoBOT
@glad crow :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'requests'
It might come one day
rugged root
@glad crow The bot is cut off from the net
glad crow
<@1033208205326696480> The bot is cut off from the net
is it?
rugged root
So things like requests or urllib3 don't work
Yep
The eval command stuff specifically
glad crow
!e
import os
os.system("ip a")
@glad crow :warning: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
its a sandbox for each command right?
i tried to edit the modules dir and nothing changed ....
vocal basin
code generating this is heavily object-oriented
#voice-chat-text-0 message
rugged root
@whole bear See ya
hoary olive
couldnt you do
hoary olive
!e
import os
os.fork()
@hoary olive :warning: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
[No output]
!e ```rs
for x in range(10):
for y in range(x):
print(y)
@wide gorge :white_check_mark: Your 3.10 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 0
002 | 0
003 | 1
004 | 0
005 | 1
006 | 2
007 | 0
008 | 1
009 | 2
010 | 3
011 | 0
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: too long to upload
rugged root
If you guys are going to be doing a lot of eval commands, would you mind doing it in #bot-commands?
vocal basin
code generating this is heavily object-oriented
https://discord.com/channels/267...
although it'd be easy to replace it with different object orientation like one in Rust
rugged root
Clutters up the chat otherwise
glad crow
If you guys are going to be doing a lot of eval commands, would you mind doing i...
yes dad
vocal basin
rugged root
Of course he did
Dude is unstoppable
OSHA would have a field day with him
I can't imagine
"Hey, I think I'll attach this grounding wire to the water line"
whole bear
Can I download a ready-to-use VM with Python configured and ready to go?
rugged root
If you mean a docker container yeah, there's some official ones
vocal basin
Can I download a ready-to-use VM with Python configured and ready to go?
Docker is easier for this
rugged root
If you mean anything beyond that you can use conda
Although conda tends to take over everything, so I'm always wary of it
vocal basin
Can I download a ready-to-use VM with Python configured and ready to go?
what OS?
whole bear
I mean already with the browser configured, an IDE, all the packages already installed, etc.
whole bear
It can be macOS
vocal basin
I mean already with the browser configured, an IDE, all the packages already ins...
there are ways to configure code-server, I guess
(so you'd get a ready-to-use VS Code as a site you can connect to)
I don't think VMs specifically go well with that type of stuff
whole bear
VM so that I don't make any bad choice and it's all "ready to use"
lavish rover
Tbh don't most Linux distros come with python anyway? Just download one of them and install vscode, you're good to go
rugged root
I don't think you can really make any bad decisions. Do you specifically mean a Virtual Machine or do you mean a Virtual Environment for python
Just making sure I'm clear
vocal basin
there are ways to configure code-server, I guess
(so you'd get a ready-to-use VS...
I have done this before, but the python configuration part was from the IDE itself
I guess, there are ways to configure VS Code from CLI/Dockerfile
but I'm very not sure
whole bear
I mean a Virtual Machine that I can download and log into like a fresh computer
rugged root
Gotcha gotcha
vocal basin
I mean a Virtual Machine that I can download and log into like a fresh computer
what VM hypervisor/host?
VirtualBox? VMWare?
rugged root
Closest easy thing would be using a Docker Container (https://hub.docker.com/_/python most likely) and just SSHing into it or using something like VS Code's dev container setups
whole bear
!voice
rugged root
But do note that it's pretty heavy on the system
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
It likes to eat resources
vocal basin
Closest easy thing would be using a Docker Container (https://hub.docker.com/_/p...
VS Code allows to develop directly in the container
rugged root
Om nom nom
vocal basin
VS Code allows to develop directly in the container
it's a preview extension but it kind of works
lavish rover
Also docker isn't the most intuitive if you're new
rugged root
Yep yep, I should have put that first
lavish rover
I wouldn't recommend it
hoary olive
I wouldn't recommend it
what then?
whole bear
I would also like to get a development setup that I can stream with. Twitch streaming influencer for Python is my goal
rugged root
The VSC integration makes it relatively trivial
lavish rover
The VSC integration makes it relatively trivial
If everything works fine
rugged root
Fair
hoary olive
I would also like to get a development setup that I can stream with. Twitch stre...
OBS then?
lavish rover
I'd recommend just get Ubuntu, install python and vscode, doesn't take that long to set it up
rugged root
Wait...
whole bear
Yes, with OBS set up. I can download plug-ins for effects when I take breaks.. for audience engagement
vocal basin
what then?
(doesn't, like, PyCharm optionally download its own python if you choose to?)
rugged root
Oh shit
whole bear
I think you just can share the journey
rugged root
I didn't realize there were already Python 3.12 pre-releases
hoary olive
sorry to ruin your dreams but i dont think streaming code will get any viewers
whole bear
Take followers along with you on the journey to learn Python
vocal basin
sorry to ruin your dreams but i dont think streaming code will get any viewers
depends
whole bear
You have to continue even when people tell you to give up
Haters gonna hate 🙂
Just never give up
hoary olive
no no im not hating just saying dont have such high expectations
rugged root
who wants to see some dude code
More folks than you may realize
rugged root
That said, I wouldn't expect - very true- to make a lot of money
rugged root
You'll want to have a fair bit of prep for your streaming, too
Watching someone fumble and bumble their way through something gets pretty tiring
rugged root
Now, that's not to say it's not good
But having some sort of readiness goes a long way
lavish rover
The best code streamers I find are the ones that go through a lot of trouble on their own time to distill the best stuff they can into the stream
And not spend most of it googling / reading stuff
rugged root
FINALLY!
whole bear
but you can also be engaging as you try to figure things out, no?
rugged root
https://docs.python.org/3.12/library/pathlib.html#pathlib.Path.walk
So goooooooooooooooooooooooooood
amber raptor
Googling stack overflow isn’t that engaging
rugged root
but you can also be engaging as you try to figure things out, no?
The pathlib thing
3.12, pathlib getting walk
vocal basin
there was rglob('*') before
whole bear
baptism fire
rugged root
I've just been surprised it wasn't there prior
My finally was probably too over the top
vocal basin
Well it's nice to have it in pathlib specifically
"push os module deeper into obscurity where it belongs"
rugged root
It's different
hoary olive
youtuber i like but lots of prep
but that prep lets you learn
whole bear
i wanna do minimum amount of learn before i go live and get streaming revenue
vocal basin
!d os.walk
wise cargoBOT
whole bear
to pay bills
rugged root
Note Unlike os.walk(), Path.walk() lists symlinks to directories in filenames if follow_symlinks is false.
vocal basin
isn't it os.path.walk?
I don't understand what os.path is responsible for
rugged root
Lists of them is handy
hoary olive
Hello Rabbit, Cruiser, Mustafa
whole bear
please how me you setup to develop python
vocal basin
I don't understand what `os.path` is responsible for
for join and things, I guess
rugged root
to pay bills
The folks who can make enough to pay their bills on streaming is very very small
whole bear
set up that watchers can like
vocal basin
for join and things, I guess
working with paths not with the filesystem
whole bear
i see coding with sparkles in text
hoary olive
lol i dont think anyone here is a twitch streamer or has any clue how it works
sharp urchin
Hello Rabbit, Cruiser, Mustafa
yo!
rugged root
3.12 is removing distutils
whole bear
engaging for streaming
amber raptor
Code streaming is terribly boring. YouTube is more likely since you can edit.
rugged root
https://aboutmonica.com/blog/how-to-make-your-vs-code-sparkle/
Worry about knowing how to code and what to code
They aren't going to care about sparkles if you're just doing hello world or a discord bot
vocal basin
please how me you setup to develop python
if you don't want to spend much time configuring, I'd recommend PyCharm CE not VS Code
rugged root
It's been done
lavish rover
Well, I wish you luck
rugged root
@lavish rover It helps that you were an educator, though
whole bear
but it's not education.. it's entertainment no?
i think people look for the company no?
they like to speak to streamer and streamer react
live
rugged root
vocal basin
"stream making mus*c bots, get banned, get clout from controversy"
((not an advice, obviously))
rugged root
Das rabbit
vocal basin
"stream making mus\*c bots, get banned, get clout from controversy"
((not an adv...
well, youtube specifically would take issue with that (because reasons)
rugged root
Or if they ARE looking at programming streams, they're looking at people with a lot of clout in the community or professionals in the industry
lavish rover
Did you censor "music"
rugged root
Youtube you have a much better chance
vocal basin
Did you censor "music"
yes
whole bear
but i think people look just to be in a room with others no?
like STRAGER (on twitch)
hoary olive
man youtube hates music bots
rugged root
For good reason
whole bear
check out videos.. he mostly answer question like "can i be a pro programmer?"
hoary olive
bots that didnt even support youtube also got banned for some reason
vocal basin
bots that didnt even support youtube also got banned for some reason
cease and desist thing is not a ban exactly
hoary olive
For good reason
ye the devs want to eat
hoary olive
cease and desist thing is not a ban exactly
fair enough
vocal basin
cease and desist thing is not a ban exactly
YT came to devs and said:
stop or get a lawsuit
most chose to stop
rugged root
As do the do the content creators whose music is being lifted
Mmmm.... copyright law...
amber raptor
Or if they ARE looking at programming streams, they're looking at people with a ...
Ugh, imagine streaming and dealing with a bunch of people like “HIRE ME SENPAI”
whole bear
@amber raptor but you get engagement
@amber raptor if you are streaming you are there for your audience no?
lavish rover
Wait rabbit is getting married?
vocal basin
man youtube hates music bots
especially those made for profit
amber raptor
<@113304266269003776> but you get engagement
Sigh apparently you have found untapped market. Go do it.
hoary olive
well hope the whole streaming idea goes well
rugged root
I'm just saying temper your expecations
You're not going to be making bank overnight
amber raptor
You're not going to be making bank overnight
I’d say or ever
rugged root
People who have streamed for years don't necessarily make money
hoary olive
You prob wont even make bank
The only people who make money from twitch are people with contracts
rugged root
I’d say or ever
hoary olive
and no one will give you a contract for streaming code
vocal basin
especially those made for profit
if YT cared more, each penny earned by making a music bot is a penny that YT can potentially claim as its own
whole bear
but why they stream if no money
rugged root
Because they love doing it
lavish rover
Unless you happen to be a very attractive girl then you're probably out of luck in the money department
whole bear
i think they all get enough money that it's worth interact with audience
rugged root
They like being entertaining, even for the handful of people they have watching
hoary olive
Unless you happen to be a very attractive girl then you're probably out of luck ...
Any platform works for that nowadays
lavish rover
I stream coding on here because I enjoy just interacting with and teaching people, same reason
glad crow
the vc is poppin today
hoary olive
They like being entertaining, even for the handful of people they have watching
The community is fun aswell , just chatting with other people
whole bear
@lavish rover if you stream please show how it done. please.
hoary olive
Yo Jim! Works Done. Lets go watch coding streams
lavish rover
Idk man I'm no professional I just share my screen on discord and start programming
hoary olive
i would watch Maro stream code on twitch lol
lavish rover
Don't know if I have time anytime soon
glad crow
trying to run a vm on 6 gigs of memory
lavish rover
6 gigs is a lot, no? What are you trying to run
whole bear
i think is harder to get programmer job than stream
hoary olive
"IT Support from Mr.Hemlock | Donations | Insane Content"
rugged root
Streaming is easy. Making MONEY streaming is the part that is hard
lavish rover
It's much harder to get a streaming job that would make you enough money to survive
rugged root
"IT Support from Mr.Hemlock | Donations | Insane Content"
I tried doing youtube many moons ago
I ain't doing all that again
glad crow
6 gigs is a lot, no? What are you trying to run
Win 10 VM + VSC + Discord VC
lavish rover
just put a facecam and you're good
lavish rover
Win 10 VM + VSC + Discord VC
Ah okay windows 10 would do it
rugged root
Head scooched back to get the maximum number of chins
lavish rover
Thought you were running Linux
lavish rover
Head scooched back to get the maximum number of chins
More chins = more better at game
whole bear
girl streaming advent of code but fail and 20 viewers
hoary olive
If you have someone to talk to when you are streaming thats way more entertaining
rugged root
I mean my vids are still linked on my channel
vocal basin
Win 10 VM + VSC + Discord VC
if you're going with a VM anyway, might as well run Linux
(and a more lightweight one)
lavish rover
girl streaming advent of code but fail and 20 viewers
That's because girl
whole bear
yes
rugged root
Also 20 viewers does not make money
whole bear
i am man no girl
rugged root
How much are you expecting to get from this
whole bear
make something, no?
whole bear
is it like 0 from 0 to x then 10 then 100?
lavish rover
You get money if people subscribe or donate
rugged root
And even that you don't get much
hoary olive
Not in twitch
worldly roost
how to turn off call volume?
rugged root
On what?
worldly roost
how to turn off notif in discord voice?
whole bear
today nobody want focus. just happy, good vibes, distraction. world is hard already
just keep good company
worldly roost
it is just super loud
rugged root
how to turn off notif in discord voice?
Settings > App Settings Section > Notifications
hoary olive
Or just go DND
vocal basin
worldly roost
Settings > App Settings Section > Notifications
i clicked turn off all still dont work
whole bear
DND = Dungeons & Dragons?
rugged root
Restart the client?
lavish rover
Do not disturb
hoary olive
DND = Dungeons & Dragons?
Do not disturb lol
whole bear
oh. new movies DnD in cinema
rugged root
Dawgs not Dogs
worldly roost
when joning voice it still BEEP super loud
n it is impossible to get rid of volume
hoary olive
Theres another option
rugged root
You have all of those disabled?
Oh wait
You may not be able to turn off the you joining noise
Hadn't thought of that
That covers all the other sounds like other people leaving and joining
vocal basin
You may not be able to turn off the you joining noise
I have it turned off
worldly roost
You have all of those disabled?
phone dont have those
lavish rover
If you don't join the call there won't be a beep noise /s
rugged root
Or have your media audio turned down to zero
hoary olive
not too practical
vocal basin
make something, no?
generally, unless you're an employee, you can't be expecting to get money
starting a channel in that case would be like starting a business
and therefore all the risks and all the competition
worldly roost
whole bear
i like streamer who friendly with empathy
i do not like too deep technical. you lose audience
worldly roost
I think you just have to have your phone on vibrate or silent
still no work
whole bear
need be topic about career advancement. everybody have opinion, water cooler chat
not too heavy is the secret
keep is simple
how many days until i can chat
!voice
wise cargoBOT
worldly roost
@rugged root alr silent
whole bear
yeeees!
You have been granted permission to use voice channels in Python Discord.
vocal basin
(unmute requires to reconnect)
whole bear
it's red
worldly roost
Or have your media audio turned down to zero
everything 0
🆘
im gonna vote disc 1 star on google play
vocal basin
is python insecure? i hear pip install can have virii like npm install
depends on what you count as secure
vocal basin
npm is virii
check what you're installing to avoid issues
npm registry has some security features to mark packages as having potential problems
almost any software piece is susceptible to having exploits injected into it
example: PHP
rugged root
Yo
stuck furnace
👋
timber zinc
rugged root
stuck furnace
is python insecure? i hear pip install can have virii like npm install
There are malicious packages on PyPI yes.
Be careful to make sure you have the right name when installing packages.
rugged root
The documentation for that particular library will usually have the way to install it
Case matters, so sometimes the library may need a capital letter in the name, for example
vocal basin
Case matters, so sometimes the library may need a capital letter in the name, fo...
isn't there some regularisation?
case matters mode for imports
stuck furnace
Also, avoid using --extra-index-url with pip entirely. It's unsafe.
rugged root
isn't there some regularisation?
How do you mean?
The Pillow library is a perfect example, actually
py -m pip install Pillow
somber heath
bbiab
rugged root
I think if the name is claimed then it may reroute?
Not sure
I just always make sure to install how the docs tell me
vocal basin
rugged root
That makes sense because of the hyphen
vocal basin
I think it's regularisation like casefold
any sequence of -/_ -> _ or -
anything else, s -> s.casefold()
vocal basin
I forgot names can include .
stuck furnace
They even provide a function in the spec! ```py
import re
def normalize(name):
return re.sub(r"[-_.]+", "-", name).lower()
[-_.] just looks like it's having a stroke
vocal basin
They even provide a function in the spec! ```py
import re
def normalize(name):
...
if it wasn't ASCII, it should have been .casefold() or something, not .lower()
rugged root
I would think casefold may leave open some attack vectors
Possibly package names with unicode characters that are camping certain names
This is just a theory, though
vocal basin
I would think casefold may leave open some attack vectors
less than lower
casefold is made for caseless comparison specifically
rugged root
What's the one I'm thinking that would convert uncommon Unicode to common ascii
Like.... approximations to latin characters
English characters?
vocal basin
Pillоw
!charinfo Pillоw
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
@glad sandal Yo
stuck furnace
So you can install discord.py with ```
pip install discord--------------------py
so needs even more normalisation
rugged root
How's it going
stuck furnace
vocal basin
so needs even more normalisation
there are tools for this
vocal basin
there are tools for this
hopefully
glad sandal
rugged root
I thought there was a built in
sharp urchin
learning
rugged root
Futzing around with tkinter
vocal basin
I thought there was a built in
very usecase dependent
sometimes you want 1=l, sometimes you don't
sharp urchin
diff tools usage
rugged root
Oh right right right right
sharp urchin
uni?
ohh
what systems do you guys have for high school?
like grade 11 and stuff
whole bear
@glad sandal you can Python? Which fave tutorial?
sharp urchin
grade10,grade11 and grade12? no?
so you guys have these
vocal basin
elementary?
sharp urchin
or nah?
rugged root
I did the thing
glad sandal
rugged root
Voice chat is more off-topic/general topic
vocal basin
ugh, glorious, I have a program that on each run outputs a mess of 35KB of logs
and that output goes straight to the docs page because why not
I'm still suggesting to do plotting in a separate service
(if you're ever in need of behaviour like that of matplotlib)
rugged root
That's a lot of characters
whole bear
@glad sandal please explain basics of go
rugged root
Me as well
I think he recent switched to Debian
Yep
I warned him this would happen
whole bear
@glad sandal explain some go? please?
somber heath
Has nobody learned the cautionary tale laid out by our esteemed friend, Marco?
whole bear
@glad sandal why you choose go?
mild quartz
sup
vocal basin
the game warned me about the potential confusion by putting two words in the same line
rugged root
whole bear
this stream no explain @glad sandal
rugged root
Yeah golden
whole bear
@glad sandal you blocked me?
rugged root
<@689087720018280478> you blocked me?
They're focusing on the streaming
@slim edge Are you speaking or was that a video
slim edge
<@554352072187969536> Are you speaking or was that a video
I don't know so I muted myself
rugged root
I don't know so I muted myself
All good all good
swift valley
Sounded like a video
rugged root
Puurrreeeeee
@glad sandal It's not linux specifically, it's a Debian thing
You were warrrrrrned
👻
rugged root
The Discord port for it is buggy and crashes
Maro is a perfect example of that happening
rugged root
Ick
sharp urchin
wait on what occasions is go better than any other language?
hoary olive
wait on what occasions is go better than any other language?
concurrency
i dont like the language, its weird. but its concurrency, routines, anything async is very good
swift valley
Puurrreeeeee
wassup
glad sandal
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vocal basin
concurrency
"erlang, but less capable"
glad sandal
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glad sandal
sharp urchin
i dont like the language, its weird. but its concurrency, routines, anything asy...
you guys know "go"
hoary olive
"erlang, but less capable"
man you know everything, i never tried erlang bc i thought its this outdated language, seems its pretty cool. I know chat applications use it
sharp urchin
hmm interesting
hoary olive
you guys know "go"
i used to send thousands of emails with it lol (not for spam)
hoary olive
newsletter
sharp urchin
ahh mb
vocal basin
man you know everything, i never tried erlang bc i thought its this outdated lan...
it's not outdated
it was banned for some time though
sharp urchin
man you know everything, i never tried erlang bc i thought its this outdated lan...
this guy does know everything:{}
vocal basin
(independently plotting X and Y, maybe?)
sharp urchin
yu are you in MAANG or sum?
slim edge
Banned? What
vocal basin
Banned? What
Ericsson were against developing a language
and, as they had most of developers, were against using it
hoary olive
Ericsson owns erlang wtf?
vocal basin
Ericsson owns erlang wtf?
well, they're a prominent provider for communication infrastructure
hoary olive
yes i know that
vocal basin
@mild quartz
this library has no equivalent of matplotlib.pyplot.plot or matplotlib.pyplot.scatter
slim edge
Yeah but banned is not the right word
vocal basin
Yeah but banned is not the right word
that's how the author described it
slim edge
that's how the author described it
Then ban the author
hoary olive
im not sure but think it means it has a relation with the value
rugged root
@somber smelt We're getting some echo from your mic, can you check your settings?
somber smelt
<@913135309380800523> We're getting some echo from your mic, can you check your ...
yeah ok
sorry
hoary olive
swift valley
Dependently typed?
basically, "what if types can vary depending on the value that was passed"
rugged root
basically, "what if types can vary depending on the value that was passed"
Is that not dynamic?
glad sandal
line.SetXAxis(0).
AddSeries("A", v1t).
AddSeries("B", v2t).
SetSeriesOptions(charts.WithLineChartOpts(opts.LineChart{Smooth: true}))
rugged root
It sounds looser than dynamic, actually
swift valley
Yea, but dependent types are fully static
glad sandal
go-echarts
somber smelt
@rugged root does it still echo now
glad sandal
rugged root
Yeah
swift valley
You can do neat stuff like maintain extra data at the type signature, like a list that keeps track of how many elements it has
rugged root
It sometimes happens, something to do with not well shielded wiring I think. Honestly either just push to talk or muting when not speaking
rugged root
Unless... @molten pewter Did you ever figure out how to fix the issue with your headset
vocal basin
basically, "what if types can vary depending on the value that was passed"
at some point I was thinking about how to design a language with something like that
and, like, in more Rust-ish way (more memory strict than in Haskell)
I eventually gave up and just decided to structure whatever I was doing without the need for such a language
vocal basin
I wrote more C# than I'm okay with
hoary olive
C# is amazing
rugged root
True
hoary olive
default function
rugged root
@glad sandal LP would be the one who knows the most Go. Maybe Maro
Sounds right
Was around last week
swift valley
I joke about C# being Microsoft Java but it's genuinely a better language
rugged root
I mean you're not entirely wrong, pure
hoary olive
100%
swift valley
I wrote it for a little while but I enjoyed the FP patterns
hoary olive
Java needs nullish operators
rugged root
I thought it got it at one point
vocal basin
at some point I was thinking about how to design a language with something like ...
I went with "describe actions as data" to make it easier
instead of taking monads as type arguments
hoary olive
I thought it got it at one point
No. but other than some minor issues with the language
its amazing
vocal basin
I wrote it for a little while but I enjoyed the FP patterns
a lot of FP was added in versions since 8.0
hoary olive
but C# is better. However packages suck. I heard .net was like Async by default and some other minor benefits , still think java performs better
vocal basin
```java
int y = (x != null) ? x : -1;
```
isn't it x is {} for objects now?
rugged root
isn't it `x is {}` for objects now?
-shrugs- I just pulled it off SO
Oh shit
Okay that answer was from 2011
hoary olive
still doesnt have anything
rugged root
A reference sheet is a type of documentation
vocal basin
isn't it `x is {}` for objects now?
null somehow isn't a proper object
idk weird
hoary olive
protected static <T> T nullish(T x, T y)
{
return x != null ? x : y;
}
should work aswell
rugged root
It's a really good library if you do the work of the author for yourself
For fuck's sake guys..
I noticed
It is
!zen
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
C# isn't THAT much lower
Depends on the school and major
It's usually overkill
Yep
It's amazing
gentle flint
it's weird
gentle flint
tbf the only thing currently in my setup.py is
#!/usr/bin/env python
from setuptools import setup
if __name__ == "__main__":
setup()
It's battle tested is the biggest
rugged root
Unity has been worked on over and over and over
gentle flint
I moved everything else to setup.cfg yesterday evening
mild quartz
yeah
i use setup.cfg for pytest mypy flake8
then everything else in pyproject.toml
glad sandal
glad sandal
tulip plover
can someone help me fix this problem with my vscode
lavish rover
!e from future import braces
wise cargoBOT
@lavish rover :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | File "<string>", line 1
002 | SyntaxError: not a chance
it hard to read
rugged root
Oh that's weird
glad sandal
{ 5 5 0 0}
rugged root
Back in a bit
gentle flint
hoary olive
can someone help me fix this problem with my vscode
CTR Shift P =>: Open default settings JSON =>: send it
or maybe Open setting im on another build
gentle flint
editor.lineHeight stes the height of your lines
editor.fontSize sets the size of your font
if you want more space between your lines you need to set your line height much larger than your font size
hoary olive
or CTR + "+"
vocal basin
I find it funny how @@@@ characters overlap in VSC terminal
I don't want to change it
hoary olive
you use 5Ghz network?
vocal basin
or like this
omg that specification what the hell
vocal basin
you use 5Ghz network?
who?
hoary olive
you
vocal basin
yes, but I will switch to wire some time in the future
hoary olive
ye
vocal basin
yes, but I will switch to wire some time in the future
I have a hole in a wall and a cable going through it
but the connectors are broken so it doesn't work at full speed (apparently, one of the wires isn't connected)
fixing it is a five minute job that takes two years
hoary olive
fixing the lan cable?
vocal basin
cutting off the connectors and putting new ones
hoary olive
your not dealing with Cat 9 lmao
vocal basin
I have meters worth of extra cable for failed attempts
hoary olive
its especfially hard when you are 50 feet in the air trying to fix this
hoary olive
there are these 1$ lan connectors
and your cable goes in between them
so you just cut the end
vocal basin
Hello silent VC
useless semantic question:
is
VC
half-deaf, half-mute
or half-deaf, all-mute?
hoary olive
and press it man they are easy, but we dont have them here
whole bear
I need voice perms
vocal basin
I need voice perms
!voice
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
some people send thousand(s) of messages, get verified and stay muted
@gentle flint
wasn't there no space after 1 before?
somehow I noticed only now
idk how
whole bear
yo
rugged root
Not microphone issues
rugged root
Your mom
gentle flint
your microphone
rugged root
https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/reference/build-system/pyproject-toml/ You reading that?
Okay good
Yep
gentle flint
rugged root
Voice is my area
The piano
Almost electrifying yourself and others by hooking up the ground to the water pipes
Fair point
You absolute CAD
vocal basin
"studied to get shocked by electricity more professionally"
gentle flint
exactly
rugged root
This way, I KNOW what I'm doing isn't safe
Rather than guessing it isn't
Fair fair
I give you crap out of love
Your mom
Back to standard
Any embedded systems work?
Eh
MicroPython
A lot of us are self taught
Experience is a qualification
vocal basin
MicroPython
that, surprisingly, actually has asyncio and berkleydb out of the box
rugged root
Ah right right
Niiiiice
So a CIS major
Oh I finished that
All of them
Well
Mainly they threw away the covers, and the existing keystones didn't fit in the new ones
No no
As in the restoration crew just tossed 'em
Or lost them
Nope
Whole thing
Eh
They're cheap
Both
I have a picture of my kit, one sec
Nope, cable tester
Which
Which one
Oh yeah
Middle was like $8
Eh
This one's good
Wire stripper
No no
For stripping the outer casing
This was cheap and easy
I did
But it's somewhere in the garage
Yep
With all my other tech
Well
Wrong garage
The one at work
With all the water damaged stuff and everything else
Yep
My tubs of cables and stuff are all in there somewhere
(context I'm in-house IT for work)
That's all done
We're waiting for the adjuster to come in and actually assess the damaged stuff
Then I'm waiting on someone else's - insurance adjuster
Evaluates damage, calculates risk, value
They'd be the one who comes out to see how much they're willing to pay out and cover
It's above my paygrade
Not my problem
More or less, can't remember what tweaking you have to do
But I'm also waiting for our office neighbor to get their new desk so that I can snag the old one to use temporarily until we get the cubical wall situation figured out
It's been an ordeal
Hey LX
Nope
Entirely voluenteer
I do it because I love the community
No "oof" about it
Mmhmm
Just make it short
Have it keep up with current affairs
You won't see me resisting
HA
Watts up?
Well at least you keep grounded
Having that positive attitude
Just don't lick it
Yeah circuits make me amped just reading about them
Hey Yib
gentle flint
Well at least you keep grounded
You've already used this one 7 times
rugged root
But not in this capacity
Pun even in a response
BOOM
HA
You'll never catch me, copper
He can't tell me what to do
Nice
Double nice
That's pretty lit
Oh Paul
@limpid umbra Yo
limpid umbra
zubba zubba
rugged root
I need to catch up on that series...
Eh that one didn't work that well
What're you up to prop
@whole bear So what do you do for a living?
Or are you a student or
limpid umbra
coffee number 1
stuck furnace
You'll never catch me, copper
If you resist, you'll be charged 
rugged root
Deltaaaaaa
I can't hear Cisco without thinking about the Thong Song
Sisqo
Pronounced the same as your company
He's the one that performed that song
Hence the connection in my brain
Deep Space 9
Ooo forgot about that one
I've shot my fair share of necros
limpid umbra
i have a stack of old rack routers downstairs - canabalize OR shoot out of a cannon
rugged root
Recycle them
Better to do that so that the metals and stuff don't leech into the water supply or go to a landfill
@whole bear Which one of us
limpid umbra
daydreaming that there is 16 meg of static rams in them - likely not
rugged root
@somber heath Man, that hits me right in the 4 train derailments
Neat
I think it's 4, double checking
stuck furnace
Ah I wish I'd taken the speech processing course at uni.
rugged root
@whole bear Sup
rugged root
Hmm
In 2022, rail companies reported over 330 spills or leaks of hazardous materials - of which only six caused an injury.
Yeah, but then you have to program in Go
Is it worth it
limpid umbra
that was reported
limpid umbra
isnt green gas , chlorine
rugged root
Because the two chemical ones were the same company
sour willow
wassup LX
sour willow
how was ur coffee
rugged root
Well that's a thing
limpid umbra
isnt that low-balling for wages
rugged root
And then they laugh in your face
Inches from your face
Yep
For sure
Job satisfaction and quality of life
Working somewhere where you feel miserable and dread going every day isn't worth it to me
At least you guys don't have to worry about health care....
Travesty
Probably like a co-pay amount
I'm guessing at most 30 euro?
Which is how it should be
stuck furnace
Prescription medication is free in Scotland, but not in England 
whole bear
rugged root
That's wild
The brand name ones are
Those are not
The generics are cheap as balls
Any that don't have generics are going to be expensive, like Vyvanse
Supplemental
I thought you hated socialism and all that, Farzin? Feel like we've talked about it before...
"Why should I pay for others" mentality
whole bear
rugged root
Neat
whole bear
Idk I write down what I can remember in my freetime
rugged root
Didn't quite catch what you said about rights
Makes sense
@whole bear Let's not be rude or shitty to other users
I honestly didn't hear
Ah right right
I mean
@whole bear I genuinely can't tell if you were serious or not
Yeah, they both end with ism
There is no country without blood on their hands
It's just how much
Less now
Anthropologist?
Also the implementations that we have seen haven't been true incarnations of their philosophy
Correct
Works on paper, until you add humans
And human nature
What'd you say oof?
Build a robot
Nah
Build a robot to build the robot
"I'm for socialism since I'm on the bottom but won't be when I get to the top"
Something to that effect
Not if you're going to turn into a dick
It's what typically happens, but it's a shitty outlook
Possible
whole bear
<@456226577798135808> Let's not be rude or shitty to other users
bruhhh
whole bear
bruhh
rugged root
The smile in your voice says otherwise
Smiling, frowning
They affect how the voice sounds
Voice box is only part of it
The shape of the mouth is what lets you pronounce quite a lot
Most of spoken language depends on the tongue and the lips
B sounds, T sounds....
Then what was the point
Enlighten me
See ya, Delta
Later bud
@gentle flint Looks like you can use pyproject.toml, you just have to list it under extra_requirements in the .readthedocs.yaml
Bye
Ah, fair enough
I tried
gentle flint
[options.extras_require]
docs = Sphinx==6.1.3; sphinx-rtd-theme==1.2.0
python:
install:
- method: pip
path: .
extra_requirements:
- docs
icy sinew
Hii @sweet pine
sweet pine
✌️
icy sinew
What are you doing?
sweet pine
Just chilling
you&
?
@icy sinew
Life is a Race and you are a racist.......
Bro what
sweet pine
😂
icy sinew
xD
sweet pine
cuz you need to pass voice verification
icy sinew
oh xD i forgot i was on phone so i dont remember
sweet pine
can you see pinned text on top of this chat?
sweet pine
hmm
icy sinew
let me do it from my phone
sweet pine
mine too but im already verified
sweet pine
yeah
maybe something wrong with your mic
or settings
did you have any problems with mic on discord?
icy sinew
oh i got it its because my firewall is blocking it
silver sluice
hi
Cant join vc sadly
people are in the room
I made the bot run btw
and its now running 24/7 for free
vocal basin
that's somewhat rare
(still playing minesweeper and being too lazy to do programming)
somber heath
!kindling
wise cargoBOT
silver sluice
@stoic lichen This is ai generated.
near bear
damn
silver sluice
doesnt it look cool?
near bear
<@233059161401720832> This is ai generated.
what libraries did you have to use for that
unreal flare
hello
vocal basin
first time getting 8 in minesweeper in a game with <30% mine density
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
near bear
@somber heath nah it's ok