Because the 3 days and the 50 legit messages helps weed out the trolls
#voice-chat-text-0
rugged root
stuck furnace
Congrats!
rugged root
It's annoying, but if you plan on sticking around on the server it's a drop in the bucket
Happy, nervous, excited, dreading it...
All of the above?
silk tartan
Because the 3 days and the 50 legit messages helps weed out the trolls
there is a have any shortcut ???
rugged root
Would defeat the point of the system if I did that
Do you need help with something, just wanting to talk?
stuck furnace
We had a issues in the past with people joining just to troll voice-chat. The voice gate really cut down on that.
willow lynx
I guess I just want to not marry
rugged root
You being forced into it?
willow lynx
Yes
stuck furnace
Oh
silk tartan
I guess I just want to not marry
programmer always single
rugged root
I'm sorry to hear that
rugged root
programmer always single
Literally had my 5 year anniversary with my wife like a week ago
silk tartan
Literally had my 5 year anniversary with my wife like a week ago
So why I am single
rugged root
No way to convince them out of it?
rugged root
So why I am single
Could be a variety of reasons
silk tartan
why I don't have a boyfriend
rugged root
why I don't have a boyfriend
Choices, behavior, not going out and meeting people, not finding someone that clicks with you or someone with shared interests.... I mean there's tons of potential reasons. Sometimes you just have to put yourself out there. I didn't get married until I was 28. Sometimes it takes time
stuck furnace
Gtg get dinner ready 👋
rugged root
It's my marriage on 15 th
I really am sorry that you're stuck in that situation
@sweet lodge Yo
silk tartan
Choices, behavior, not going out and meeting people, not finding someone that cl...
sorry I don't understand English
high acorn
heyy how are you? long time no see
sweet lodge
Wait
Rabbit
I need help!
sweet lodge
<@285152779465654272> Yo
rugged root
@amber raptor Have your face start drooping and tell them you're having a stroke
Can probably get out of it that way
Back in a sec
dim raven
does somebody know how I can run Ansible as an installer, so a no professional person can just run the command on a raspberry pi.
amber raptor
Wait
Rabbit
I need help!
With what?
high acorn
with this chat going on about bf/gf , i will throw in a suggestion , automate right swipe on tinder 🙂
pick a random time element to swipe , fool the algo 🙂
silk tartan
guys I need to talk voice plzz hlp me.........
rugged root
Why do you need to
Oh right, forgot I had to set up this phone..
@high acorn What'd you say? You came in really really quiet
You're good now
Yeah
blazing tulip
@high acorn it's great
dim raven
yes it is
high acorn
lmao :0
rugged root
I notice it but it's not like... obtrusive or what have you
high acorn
🙂
rugged root
You're understandable
high acorn
ha good
gentle flint
why even bother being in the voice chat
rugged root
People either had to go or the conversation shifted
vocal basin
<:DogWave:817121778467340349>
you having the DevOops as the top role reminded me that in Russian some forms of the word "devops" contain corresponding forms of "dog"
contained in quite a weird way (like, "девопсы" means both "humans that do devops" and "girly dogs" or something)
rugged root
True that
Makes sense
Processing at that scale is expensive
Okay
I hate hate hate
The damn power adapters that are at the end where you plug in
They take up so much room
vocal basin
the first thing I see after getting home:
high acorn
tryna be
rugged root
Hnnnnggggg I'll be right back, I have to move the plug that my computer is plugged in to
vocal basin
the first thing I see after getting home:
that but 8192x2048 16 times got it crashed
I should make it do the merge before all results are ready
high acorn
this is beautiful 🙂 that image is so nice
pallid hazel
bah
rugged root
When did you turn into a sheep
vocal basin
that but 8192x2048 16 times got it crashed
variation on what OpalMist made
sweet lodge
With what?
I was seeking advice, not sure if it's in your knowledge area though.
I caused myself a problem, and I'm not sure what the best way to go about fixing it would be.
I have a file share [in on premise AD].
Bossman wants permissions to the folders in the root of the drive to be restricted, because users kept moving them and creating files in random places.
So I restricted the root. But I misunderstood the inheriting "applies to this folder, subfolder, and files". So it started recuring. But I canceled that.
So now it's partially correct.
But.. So, I have a script that generates sequentially numbered folders to store files attached to numbered records in our LoB app.
So... I ran the script, it created folders, and.... they inherited the root permissions and didn't allow anyone to write to them.
The structure is like -
\\IMPRESSDC\IDInet\graphics\107000-107999\107001
\\IMPRESSDC\IDInet\graphics\107000-107999\107002
\\IMPRESSDC\IDInet\graphics\107000-107999\107002
The request is for users to be able to create/edit/delete files in the numbered folders (i.e. 107001), but not be able to edit/delete/create files in any of the upper levels.
My current theory is to edit \\IMPRESSDC\IDInet\graphics to disable editing, and let inheritance apply it recursively. Then rewrite my script in PowerShell and have it break inheritance and set writable permissions on the numbered folders as it creates them.
I can do this on a weekend and backfill the permissions to the existing folders.
I.... I just feel award breaking inheritance so much, but I'm not seeing another option at the moment.
Oh that was a bit long
pallid hazel
i can solve my issue, it just makes me laugh that it did this..
so with new json file, i plan on loading, adding to, save..
first process check tho, created an empty json file, therefor it doesnt have any data to load and errors out.. guess I will have to initalize it somewhere with a data structure 🥸
amber raptor
Yea, it’s been forever since I did NTFS permissions.
pallid hazel
pesky threaded things..
vocal basin
i can solve my issue, it just makes me laugh that it did this..
so with new json...
there is no such this as a valid empty JSON file
handling missing JSON file shouldn't be done by creating an empty file
streamed JSON can be empty
vocal basin
variation on what OpalMist made
this is closer to the original
pallid hazel
its a thread thing, it doesnt get created till after the first hits it.. so either i pusedo the file with the structure before hand or I do an additional check that the info is or isnt already in the json file..
vocal basin
this is closer to the original
although still lacks adequate post-processing
pallid hazel
think id rather just psudeo the file honestly then write key error checks, as there wont be any duplicates
hoary olive
hi dawg
vocal basin
there is no such this as a valid empty JSON file
handling missing JSON file shou...
T = TypeVar('T')
def load_from_json(path: pathlib.Path, default: T) -> T:
if path.exists():
return json.loads(path.read_text())
else:
return default
only a single thread should be responsible for interacting with the file at one time
pallid hazel
im thinking... i dont want a stacked json of dicts of dicts at the end.. so psudeo create seems to be the better option i think.. ill just initalize the file with a base key and start adding to it... or, so i think will work out
zenith radish
Lithuanian doesn't even have a w I'll take ;3untu or osmething
sweet lodge
Lithuanian doesn't even have a `w` I'll take `;3untu` or osmething
.uwu
viscid lagoonBOT
withuanian doesn't even have a
wi'ww t-take;3untuow o-osmething
vocal basin
hi i need help with python regex
what's the question?
vocal basin
some one there?
there is #1035199133436354600 for getting help related to python
(check #❓｜how-to-get-help before posting there)
rugged root
Yo
You've got like a tone in the background of your mic
Go to your settings and listen to it
Significantly worse
And it feels intentional
I can. And whatever you did a little bit ago made the audio screech and scream to the point where it sounds like you're doing it intentionally
I'm telling you
To go into the settings
And listen to it yourself
Do not use us as the test
Click
That
Because if that loud screeching thing happens again, whether it's your fault or not, you're having your speaking privileges revoked. It's way too disruptive and painful on the ears
@whole bear We clear?
winged hinge
arcana, magic, biconomy
buoyant cradle
hello
ivory schooner
Can you hear me?
ivory schooner
def foo():
foo()
foo()
foggy plover
im walking to class to class, can't talk, anything u wanna share?
its a long walk so any length story is valid :D
i gtg
somber heath
@round plume 👋
round plume
<@717968504745230428> 👋
hi
somber heath
@wise sable 👋
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
normal mirage
i work with js . lua . c++ . c# . php
normal mirage
im from iran and my eng lang its not very good but im know 50% of your words
hoary olive
از کجای ایران هستی ؟
تهران
normal mirage
خوشبختم
sharp urchin
hello opal
somber heath
@whole bear @wispy island 👋
wispy island
wise cargoBOT
sharp urchin
!voice
wise cargoBOT
sharp urchin
to talk :}
somber heath
Corey Schafer's Youtube playlists.
whole bear
thank you so much
whole bear
sorry i couldnt speak right now
sharp urchin
:{}
whole bear
sorry got to go see you later...bye👋
sharp urchin
brb
somber heath
@formal heart 👋
sharp urchin
my human brain still dont understand the reason for bots:{
how can sumthing damage a server
- can a bot join any server without the invite?
chrome pewter
1) can a bot join any server without the invite?
no
sharp urchin
2)even if a bot joins a server , why would you give permissions to a bot the admin didnt add
or moderator
chrome pewter
bot is added by admin of the server
sharp urchin
bot is added by admin of the server
correct...so how can a bot join league of legends server?
chrome pewter
correct...so how can a bot join league of legends server?
a bot couldn't join a server on it's own
sharp urchin
so why does beer need a system to kick people out
thinking that they might be bots
when they cant actually be bots
am i missing something
?
chrome pewter
so why does beer need a system to kick people out
what he basically wants to do is to add captcha
and give them a roles
which will give permission to access server channels
and if the user doesn't solve captcha
the member would be kicked off
but why the heck you want to kick the member
sharp urchin
hello sir hemlock
whole bear
how do i install boxx. i keep trying to install it and this is what it says.
note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.
ERROR: Failed building wheel for scikit_image
Failed to build scikit_image
ERROR: Could not build wheels for scikit_image, which is required to install pyproject.toml-based projects
what i dooo
how i do that lol
somber heath
!pypi wheel
whole bear
thanks ill try that now
somber heath
I guess it's been renamed to bicycle.
whole bear
haha
whole bear
note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.
ERROR: Failed building wheel for scikit_image
Successfully built boxx
Failed to build scikit_image
ERROR: Could not build wheels for scikit_image, which is required to install pyproject.toml-based projects
uhhh @somber heath
somber heath
note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with ...
Is this after having successfully pip installed wheel?
somber heath
What operating system are you using?
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/buwohubaco
Microsoft Visual C++ 14.0 or greater is required. Get it with "Microsoft C++ Build Tools": https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/visual-cpp-build-tools/
whole bear
ok thanks
rugged root
Yo
Yep, converted to the thre - I was a domain lead before
I'm still Voice Lead
I just stepped down from Admin
Yep. I couldn't dedicate the time to being an admin that I wanted to, and I wanted to make room for those who could dedicate the time
Understandable
Coolio
Turning on a fan, one sec
somber heath
@rigid fractal 👋
rugged root
HA
Holy crap I just saw how many ban appeals we have going right now
- I've not seen more than 4 previously
@sly yarrow Yo
Well, 12 that bothered to open an appeal
frozen owl
Holy crap I just saw how many ban appeals we have going right now
why are there so many bans tho
rugged root
Possibly
But I don't there's any immediate plans for it
It'd be a massive overhaul of our current system
somber heath
why are there so many bans tho
How long have you been coming to the internet?
sharp urchin
12. I've not seen more than 4 previously
how does the system work on bans?
somber heath
@thorny spade 👋
frozen owl
How long have you been coming to the internet?
well just curious to see what people are usually banned for
sharp urchin
do you guys like talk to the person who is on the ban list?
and give him a warning in dms?
rugged root
The Python bot sends them a message before the ban triggers, giving them the ban reason and giving a link to the appeals server
rugged root
And regarding reasons for bans, it can be a multitude of reasons for the bans. Bad behavior, spam, etc.
lavish rover
thankfully there's no bans for shitty jokes
rugged root
@sly yarrow Better to write out the question first at least
frozen owl
The Python bot sends them a message before the ban triggers, giving them the ban...
but how "accurate" is the bot identifying harmful stuff? is it just detecting keywords or is it like using like keywords + sentiment checks?
sly yarrow
@rugged root what do you mean?
lavish rover
but how "accurate" is the bot identifying harmful stuff? is it just detecting ke...
Pretty sure someone needs to send a bot command
rugged root
<@98195144192331776> what do you mean?
As in like... what is the problem you're having? Or were you just asking in general
lavish rover
And it's not automated iirc
swift valley
hallo
rugged root
Ohhhhh
Huh
We do have some auto bans, but they're only on very specific links or guild invites
Since we've had spam raids for those specific ones
All other bans are done by our moderators+
frozen owl
Pretty sure someone needs to send a bot command
does the bot like passively "watch" messages or does it need to be alerted
rugged root
It watches
frozen owl
All other bans are done by our moderators+
nice
lavish rover
i need it as well
ok,
!ban cruiser_pret
lavish rover
I'm not a moderator
rugged root
@silk tartan Yo
swift valley
One unfortunate thing about Discord is that it's not indexable by search engines 
sharp urchin
yeh thts what i meant
@lavish rover and how do you do that?
where do you find the sites to contribute
rugged root
Practice practice practice
rugged root
Usually I just look into libraries I'm interested in
sharp urchin
where do you find? to contribute in open source
frozen owl
where do you find? to contribute in open source
github?
rugged root
"I use this one a lot, might see if they have any issues on their repo"
somber heath
@timber nacelle 👋
lavish rover
!d difflib.get_close_matches
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
I legit forgot that was in the standard lib
sharp urchin
is 40ms code fast enough?
rugged root
It depends on the context
sharp urchin
the fastest code was 15ms
rugged root
Hey rab
rugged root
Code for what
rugged root
It depends on the problem
Even small problems can vary wildly
What's the default terminal that comes with Mac
somber heath
"Hipsterm. You've probably never heard of it."
rugged root
Is it iTerm?
lavish rover
What's the default terminal that comes with Mac
It's called Terminal
rugged root
Ah
I've never heard of displaying images on terminal
That weren't like weird pixel converstions
Oh just found it
Still that feels.... niche
Still feels niche
Always expect the default
lavish rover
Still feels niche
A lot of things are, but still pretty useful
somber heath
@elder ocean 👋
rugged root
Fair enough. If you benefit from it, more power to ya
lavish rover
it can also shows gifs straight in my terminal lmao
amber raptor
Sure but unless you know the environment, expect default.
rugged root
So wait
lavish rover
Sure but my point was there are environments that have support for it
rugged root
If you're SSHing into something, since you're still using this particular terminal, you can still grab images?
lavish rover
Yes
rugged root
Interesting
lavish rover
The way terminal/shells work is by sending special codes to stdout
this is done by the shell
Whether locally or on ssh etc
amber raptor
Sure but my point was there are environments that have support for it
I figured there was terminals that supported it.
lavish rover
It's the terminals job to intercept this and display something to you
rugged root
Sure sure
amber raptor
But nothing out of the box and I was right.
rugged root
@lapis thunder yo
somber heath
@lapis thunder 👋
lavish rover
But nothing out of the box and I was right.
Never claimed that
lapis thunder
Hello
lapis thunder
I can not talk here.... 😭
rugged root
Pull it over your head
Instant ninja
Yeah, check out the #voice-verification channel
That'll tell you what you need to know about the voice gate
lapis thunder
<@776948723065684000> 👋
Hi!!
rugged root
@lavish rover Is it me?
Probably me
I would poop at my desk
Burn it for fuel
I'm helping the company one pinched loaf at a time
lapis thunder
I'm trying to get back to being a Python developer. I had the bad idea of being promoted... now I'm an architect
🥸
lapis thunder
I've been writing WORD and Excel documents for a year now.
lapis thunder
I want write python code, not excel
sharp urchin
i saw 1.2 mil in google
rugged root
Har dee har
sharp urchin
for principal soft engineer
rugged root
In fairness.... Excel is a powerful skill
sharp urchin
isnt it cool
lapis thunder
I created a lot of scripts for do it, but, I love to be a python developer
rugged root
@lavish rover Don't you in most cases work on C?
I thought
Ohhhhhh
That makes sense
rugged root
I created a lot of scripts for do it, but, I love to be a python developer
I feel that.
Honestly, Excel wouldn't be as bad if it just let you break the damn formulas into separate lines
Just
It's so tedious
Context, I work at an accounting firm
So I feel your pain by proxy
rugged root
Pydantic?
sharp urchin
wait hows static typing good?
sharp urchin
i like dynamic...isnt it cool enough?
rugged root
He's complaining how it doesn't have it
lapis thunder
now, I am migrating a lot of microservices to AWS, I created a script to help me with that. but it is not the same thing as being a python developer and creating a lot of cool stuff
sharp urchin
wait hows static typing good?
see now :{
amber raptor
wait hows static typing good?
Because it prevents runtime bugs
sharp urchin
nahh i changed my statement later
rugged root
Because it gives you guarantees about your code that you couldn't have otherwise
sharp urchin
Because it prevents runtime bugs
hmm ...i dont know abt it i guess...
lavish rover
If I change a function to take in object Foo instead of Bar
C++ will just stop compiling till I fix all cases calling it
Python will crash at runtime if I forget to change something
Which is a problem in massive code bases with hundreds of thousands of lines of code
amber raptor
Python will crash at runtime if I forget to change something
Or it might not.
sharp urchin
hmm i havent come across a problm as such
lavish rover
Or it might not.
Even worse
rugged root
And since type hints are optional and not enforced, the best you have is your editor complaining about something but you can just ignore it
sharp urchin
prolly cuz i havent done those long codes
rugged root
amber raptor
JavaScript has same issue. At least TypeScript tries.
rugged root
And while there are things like this, runtime enforcement is heavy in Python
So it's... a bit muddy
sharp urchin
compiler converts your english to binary @sly yarrow
lavish rover
x = foo
y = x.bar()
vs
String x = foo()
int y = x.bar()
in short
lavish rover
If you see this code at random in some codebase
rugged root
Not necessarily
lavish rover
Which gives you more information?
sharp urchin
Which gives you more information?
second one
rugged root
TypeScript to JavaScript is technically compiling it down to JS
pallid hazel
sometimes i feel like... (at work) .. i can help with this.. i do some programming, analyze a ton of data, comeup with a quick fix.. its cool and it helps.. then we have a meeting.. the fun starts... they say hey man you really saved us there, can you add x, y, z to the program.. being a nice guy.. I say sure Ill give it a shot.. a week later Im done.. total nightmare to add their x, y, z .. so now the cross roads.. do I just stay in the background and help with little to no acknowledgement, or continue to suffer the nightmare of requests.
sharp urchin
```py
x: str = foo
y: int = x.bar()
```
havent seen any like this in C
rugged root
That's Python using typehints
rugged root
def ham(pork: str, beef: int):
...
Correct
Rab's correct on this
It's such a muddy area
Just-In-Time compilation
The runtimes will watch to see how often certain parts of the code are run, and compile them to make them more efficient on the fly
@pallid hazel Sup
Same
pallid hazel
im spent @rugged root .. 20hr days getting my new script updated to accomidate requested features
rugged root
Jesus dude
lavish rover
Ok but does everyone write comments explaining everything? Lol no
rugged root
I don't know if it gives you low level API access
lavish rover
we also have type()
You can't always run code, and may not want to
rugged root
type() isn't as reliable
lavish rover
```py
x: str = foo
y: int = x.bar()
```
But what if return type of .bar() changes and you forget to change this?
rugged root
is_instance() is a better bet, but you're still incurring cost
Oh for sure
I wasn't saying it was a good replacement
sly yarrow
!e
print(0)
print(1 / 0)
print()X
@sly yarrow :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | File "<string>", line 3
002 | print()X
003 | ^
004 | SyntaxError: invalid syntax
More just sayin' this is the best we got
lavish rover
(yeah yeah I'm just being devils advocate, I know you know)
rugged root
Sure sure
Kind of
Interpreted is meaning it's running the code with another program
Or a runtime
pallid hazel
kind of a priority of mine, we had several issues of iver 10k customers down.. and I initally designed a script to isolate quick fixes.. chunked that down in 2-4k blocks till it was 2k.. but still, going through 2k devices to fix them.. I decided to resolve atleast another 90% of those.
rugged root
All code is read line by line at first
Either it's at the compilation step or at the interpreted step
lavish rover
Yeah like the problem with python is that it's too dynamic
rugged root
I counter with JS
lavish rover
Nothing stops a function you're calling from just inspecting the stack and changing values in the functions above
Other than you trusting it to not
rugged root
@mild quartz yo
rugged root
Nothing stops a function you're calling from just inspecting the stack and chang...
I think I get what you mean but I might need an example
pallid hazel
someone needs to write a chatgpt code to another code format
rugged root
I think JS is more guilty of this crazy fuckery than Python is, though
Discord... What? Are you telling me that "fuckery" is actually a word?
That's amazing
pallid hazel
its commonly used term in euruope i believe
somber heath
Python code -> Python interpreter -> Python bytecode (not machine code) -> Python interpreter reads bytecode and talks to CPU in machine code instructions -> CPU goes BRR.
rugged root
someone needs to write a chatgpt code to another code format
How do you mean? "Convert this code from Python to C"?
Dude I can't type
Halp
@molten pewter Sup
In theory me
pallid hazel
pretty much, python to C to .net to whatever.. or vise versa
mild quartz
oh hey yo
rugged root
Yeah surrounded by KC fans here at work
lavish rover
I think I get what you mean but I might need an example
!d inspect
wise cargoBOT
lavish rover
Sure, but when you need to get a task done and don't want to understand some other part of the code, I've seen people commit lots of sins
Not to say this is common
But a whole class of "dynamic" problems you can just avoid because you have guarantees
rugged root
I kind of miss living in Mansfield....
pallid hazel
i pitty the fool who relies on code without knowing how it works
rugged root
Sure, but when you need to get a task done and don't want to understand some oth...
Sure, but that becomes a fault of the programmer not the language
Of course you can make code do crazy shit
True
Mr. T was right
null is essentially None in Python
What is a null set? @mild quartz
mild quartz
just an empty set
rugged root
Oh fair
mild quartz
{ }
rugged root
!e
print(bool(""))
@rugged root :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
False
Empty strings are falsey
somber heath
!e py if "": print("A") if "abc": print("B")
rugged root
As are 0's, empty lists, sets, etc.
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
B
no.. dont go into truthy falsey.. i hate pandas usage of it.
somber heath
!e py print("abc" * 3)
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
abcabcabc
I've done it a few times
rugged root
no.. dont go into truthy falsey.. i hate pandas usage of it.
Well now I HAVE to know
mild quartz
my boss was telling me about the old days of python when there was no False
built in
lavish rover
Of course you can make code do crazy shit
That's my point, not in all languages
You can replace an int with an object that looks like an int but does crazy stuff in Cpp
Or just randomly change what a global function is pointing to
rugged root
my boss was telling me about the old days of python when there was no False
Wait wait wait wait, when was that? Python 1?
pallid hazel
you cant compound quieries with different datatypes because it assume the type as a factor
rugged root
That's my point, not in all languages
Not that particular flavor of crazy but plenty of others. It just feels disingenuous to use that as an argument point when you do really have to go out of your way to do something like that in Python
lavish rover
The whole "programmers fault not the language" isn't a great argument, one can then also argue that x86 assembly is great and any mistake that you make is the programmers fault
It's nice to have guarantees that are enforced
rugged root
It is. You learn the limitations and flaws in the language as you go along
You code with that in mind
sly yarrow
@obsidian dragon
!e
print("hello here is the Title")
print("-" * 50)
print("Some description Some descriptionvSome descriptionSome\n descriptionSome descriptionSome descriptionSome descriptionSome descri\nptionSome descriptionSome description")
print("-" * 50)
So you wouldn't be doing the inspect stuff and modify on the fly
lavish rover
My point is, just illustrating an extreme
lavish rover
I have seen lots of fucky type mismatch bullshit in actual amz codebase
lavish rover
Yes, but I don't control the code my coworkers write
rugged root
Followed by "Well it's in there and it's working.... we'll just leave it."
Sure sure
lavish rover
I would prefer having more guarantees
lavish rover
You see how your argument is not great
rugged root
Just on principle
I mean
The argument still stands
The programmer at fault just doesn't happen to be you
I'm not wrong
lavish rover
Yes I'm not arguing that
Programmer is always at fault
But it would be nice if the language stopped you from shooting yourself in the foot
rugged root
For sure
lavish rover
that's all I'm saying
rugged root
Yeah I hear ya
lavish rover
You can write terrible code in C++, but it's much harder and looks significantly worse than Python
rugged root
And something like Pydantic would incur too high a runtime cost I'm guessing
lavish rover
Anything runtime is a no go, already have performance issues
lavish rover
We already don't particularly have IDE support because none of our tools know wtf we're doing till it all compiles
rugged root
I know you mean the various build tools, but I'm interpreting it as your coworkers being the tools
rugged root
@pallid hazel Not always. Sometimes it's just reading the memory values and getting it that way
lavish rover
Most of the shit stuff is legacy
But there's occasional people in the states in the org who do things
rugged root
My brain just shutdown
I was going to do something and it's just gone
@pallid hazel Wait when you said LUA, did you mean the Lua language?
Okay, just double checking
It's pronounced loo-ah
somber heath
https://tenor.com/ZhE5.gif
:Patriotic explosive amputation noises:
rugged root
HA
@somber heath Every year on the 4th of July in the US, the average number of fingers per person goes down
@mild quartz You do fancy data smarty programming stuff. You ever messed with Julia?
rugged root
I'm just trying to figure out the logic of why a language like that would be 1 indexed
mild quartz
and fine if you want to write some fast performant stuff wo touching c++
R is 1 indexed too
mild quartz
the answer is a sad detachment from what the people want
rugged root
Graphs start at 0, you dinguses
mild quartz
same reason nobody cares about julia
rugged root
Which is a shame, because it does look pretty
mild quartz
why use julia when you have https://github.com/google/jax
rugged root
1-based is good because it keeps zero a special index value which is present in both signed and unsigned numbers.
According to someone on reddit
Me still no likey
Makes going backwards in indexes and slices a chore
@quasi condor Sup
@quasi condor Very serious question that only a Brit can answer
Coffee, tea, or beer. Which would be best to bathe in
somber heath
Bathing feet in tea is a thing.
rugged root
It is?
Huh
Right
I know that tea tree oil is used to help with foot fungus
But I wouldn't think the oil would still be there in the dried leaves
What do any of these mean
somber heath
Well, it is an antibacterial, so it wouldn't surprise me if it had fungicidal properties.
rugged root
Why would you want to kill fun
somber heath
Funnily enough, the tea tree deodorant I have irritates me, but the pure oil does not.
rugged root
@mild quartz Do these happen to be the old models where it was cheating?
rugged root
Coffee, tea, or beer. Which would be best to bathe in
@quasi condor I need your answer
rugged root
They will be summarily executed
hoary olive
hello magic, opal, hem
rugged root
The foam would be fun
I.....
Wait
Hold on
People used to take milk baths
Supposedly good for the skin
@molten pewter That's sweetened though
You wouldn't do it if you weren't going to sweeten it
molten pewter
hoary olive
People used to take milk baths
isnt that still common?
rugged root
No. I just get cheap ass green tea bags from walmart
rugged root
isnt that still common?
News to me
hoary olive
matcha is exactly the same as eating grass that you have played football on
rugged root
@quasi condor Only the illusion of coffee
hoary olive
its disgusting
molten pewter
rugged root
La Croix
Yep
Croy
Yeah
Heard about a strawberry
A lemon truck drove past
Someone was wearing an orange shirt
And my personal favorite, it kind of looked like a blueberry, so close enough
@mild quartz You haven't given Charlie your vast riches
Is this still the one that was cheating?
Make your own
Be the change that you want to see in the world!
hoary olive
Distributed Training is run off of VRAM?
mild quartz
yes
rugged root
You say Thai food?
mild quartz
well it is distributed across accelerators
so in the case of gpus VRAM
@hoary olive
hoary olive
isnt that for AI ?
mild quartz
yeah
hoary olive
nice
sharp urchin
i work at an ai company
must be cool
hoary olive
what GPUs do you guys work with?
mild quartz
right now im training a model on a node with 64 A100s
rugged root
Good, you?
hoary olive
ah its in the Nvidia AI line?
rugged root
@dusk raven Yooooo
hoary olive
sadly never worked with nvidia gpu's made for AI
mild quartz
nvidia is basically the only choice for deep learning
hoary olive
i have used Asuse ones though
sharp urchin
sadly never worked with nvidia gpu's made for AI
wait werent you a kid ?
hoary olive
wait werent you a kid ?
hi bossman
mild quartz
tpus are incredible
hoary olive
Cloud Tensor Processing Unit
hoary olive
Cloud Tensor Processing Unit
wtf is tensor?
rugged root
Derp learning
sharp urchin
i guess i am mistaken ..
rugged root
In mathematics, a tensor is an algebraic object that describes a multilinear relationship between sets of algebraic objects related to a vector space.
I do not know what that means in regards to ML, though
@ancient lily Yo
hoary olive
> In mathematics, a tensor is an algebraic object that describes a multilinear r...
how nvidia calls it
it should refer to cors
ancient lily
<@979028372913016893> Yo
yo
hoary olive
no idea what a tensor core is - or if it exists
rugged root
hoary olive
mild quartz
tensor cores are optimized for common operations on "tensors"
hoary olive
the naming conventions of nvidia
hoary olive
FP8?
mild quartz
floating point 8
rugged root
Floating Point
hoary olive
then whats TF?
rugged root
Tiny Fart
mild quartz
tensor float
rugged root
I was close
rugged root
Makes sense
hoary olive
Doesnt
mild quartz
lol
hoary olive
hoary olive
32x throughtput - 16x - 8x (from right to left)
rugged root
That is just.... not a helpful graphic
hoary olive
That is just.... not a helpful graphic
no its a gif
when i copy it it only gets the first frame for some reason
rugged root
Link?
lavish rover
Hey look machine learning accelerators
hoary olive
you worked with these mustafa?
lavish rover
It's my job
hoary olive
nice
hoary olive
it honestly seems they have a bunch of BS on their page to "have something there"
mild quartz
every day i pray to the shrine of xla
rugged root
It just all feels like buzz words
hoary olive
HPC is a fundamental pillar of modern science. To unlock next-generation discoveries, scientists use simulations to better understand complex molecules for drug discovery, physics for potential sources of energy, and atmospheric data to better predict and prepare for extreme weather patterns. NVIDIA Tensor Cores offer a full range of precisions, including FP64, to accelerate scientific computing with the highest accuracy needed.
Honestly seems like a bunch of BS just to fill up their w
somber heath
@proven girder 👋
rugged root
But I'm guessing that's just me not knowing the jargon
lavish rover
every day i pray to the shrine of xla
I'm still noob, why xla bad
lavish rover
Right makes sense
rugged root
The god of XML
lavish rover
Misread that
lavish rover
The god of XML
xml fucking wishes
hoary olive
X-linked agammaglobulinemia (a-gam-uh-glob-u-lih-NEE-me-uh) — also called XLA — is an inherited (genetic) immune system disorder that reduces your ability to fight infections. People with XLA might get infections of the inner ear, sinuses, respiratory tract, bloodstream and internal organs.
what the fuck
rugged root
It's a malevolent god
A god who giveth and doesn't stop givingeth no matter how much you asketh it to stopeth
rugged root
Is that today?
hoary olive
TF2XLA ?
2 bytes of tensor float on a compiler
mild quartz
tenserflow?\
no the xla compiler
rugged root
Nah
mild quartz
tensorflow shit
rugged root
We're just chilling. Joi's health is still poor so not like we could go anywhere or do anything
hoary olive
this does not seem like fun stuff lmao
lavish rover
We have rigged our compiler to use xla with pytorch lmao
lavish rover
"just use" I'm not rewriting the whole code base anokhi
hoary olive
soo many google products
lavish rover
This project was started like 2017
somber heath
@whole bear 👋
rugged root
See you
hoary olive
Composable transformations of Python+NumPy programs: differentiate, vectorize, JIT to GPU/TPU, and more
rugged root
@quasi condor What food did you get
hoary olive
how is python JIT
rugged root
It's not JIT
mild quartz
it is using the xla compiler
hoary olive
how does it JIT though
lavish rover
Python: Just ITerate
rugged root
No you're right
I misunderstood it
Oh no
I was thinking Nuitka
Jython would be JIT
Since they'd be JVM
Iron would as well technically
There's also add in libraries that you can use like Pyjion
hoary olive
isnt jython like deprecated ?
rugged root
rugged root
isnt jython like deprecated ?
Last stable release was 2 years ago. But they only ever supported 2.7
So effectively yes
hoary olive
not sure why anyone would want to run python in java but OK
rugged root
Should be noted that there's plenty of libraries that wouldn't benefit from you using a JIT anyway
rugged root
not sure why anyone would want to run python in java but OK
Portability.
Java runs on damn near everything
Huh
No, last stable for Iron was 2022-12-12
hoary olive
Yup JVM
rugged root
Although it's only up to 3.4, with a few things backported (f-strings for example)
It's niche, and honestly you're better off just using the languages that they're targeting
hoary olive
jpython both targets java and python lmao
rugged root
Which makes sense
Some of the Python libraries wouldn't be able to port
Still it's a clusterfuck
hoary olive
doesnt seem practical
rugged root
Exactly
vivid palm
hihi
rugged root
or you mean you're muted
That one
prisma acorn
that went 0 to a hundred real quic
rugged root
What do you mean bikes aren't great?
@molten pewter Why not just ban wheels in general?
That seems to be your main vendetta
It was hyperbolic for the purpose of being so
Also, ambulances, firetrucks...
You want those to exist
Opal has his own car line?
TIL
rugged root
I guess it's been renamed to bicycle.
So proud of you
McMansion?
Does it comes with fries?
And this is why you don't live there
It's like you get a new grill and you think you're going to be grilling all the time and it just sits in the backyard rusting
I learned the other day that Sheet Rock is a brand name of drywall
Oh here we go
Are most places single floor?
Usually it's load bearing beams rather than just walls
But like
Large ornate Greek columns
Just all over inside the house
dusk raven
rugged root
High Clark Gables
Yep
Yep yep
Like a fart in the wind....
That's like
THE reason I don't want a house
I hate yardwork
But it's terrible for the ground
You're more likely to get water against the foundation. Wait what are you talking about
Water goes through sand
stray niche
Does it comes with fries?
rugged root
Maybe, I don't know. I'm not a house owner
Hey Sammy
Ideally you want to keep water away from the base of the house and foundation
If you have a basement, it's to prevent leaks. Without one, you're also trying to make sure you don't get sinkholes or other shifting ground under the foundation
You try to mitigate that as best you can
gentle flint
or you go the dutch route, build on peat, and drive piles through to firm ground which won't shift
gentle flint
quake
gentle flint
currently in the train, might hop on vc soon
rugged root
Also yes
So are you trying to track every single part at every stage of production?
Like from mining it out of the ground to the final product?
@molten pewter So where is the line then
Then you have to keep track of it yourself
That's on the end consumer
Then just make a way to scan your receipts or take in the information from e-receipts
So
What's the incentive for businesses to adopt this universal system
amber raptor
What’s the topic?
rugged root
I feel like I was ignored
amber raptor
You were.
rugged root
Laaaaaame
molten pewter
its mr focus's fault
rugged root
It's not though. I was asking you questions for like... 10 minutes
Miss being able to talk
It's driving me bonkers
molten pewter
you're not the only one
thick basin
<@742329972399800411> Yo
yoo
rugged root
How goes it
thick basin
How goes it
bien and you
thick basin
God bless
rugged root
@amber raptor So you're saying I shouldn't be counting exactly how many Cheerios I get in each box?
Mmm... sqlite3....
But you get coupons for it
Coupons, Rabbit!
molten pewter
You shouldn't be getting Cheerios at all, Crispy Oats is where its at
molten pewter
yes
molten pewter
molten pewter
can't it be both?
rugged root
Fair
It's almonds, for anyone curious
Mmm..... Cheerios and amaretto...
It was a joke on the almond thing
It wasn't a good joke
But it's the one I settled on
A choice everyone now regrets
What like Guile?
@dusk raven Welcome back
I'm typically horrified by old pictures of myself
Dorian Gray is as well
No worries
Yeah seems to be getting a little better for a bit then gets worse. Worst swing set ever
My wife being sick and all that
We think it's long term affects from Epstein-Barr virus
Yarp
Well, one of the common causes of mono anyway
Can potentially indicate a crap ton of other bad stuff
Later dude
Nice
You as well
I mean
You have to opt into it
Also don't meet the message count
rugged root
I would assume lemon
rugged root
get some new ones
@barren zinc Yo
If you're wondering why you can't talk, check out the #voice-verification channel. That'll tell you what you need to know about our voice gate
Yep
What're you watching?
It's coming through your mic
@molten pewter
Oh lemon stuff
I recognize his voice now
Or just a more soundproof head
Sound absorbant
You'd think so
@lunar trout Yo
lunar trout
yeah im lost
rugged root
Lost how
lunar trout
i wanna find channel to ask HW questions lmao
LMAO
python
im very new learning functions
I missed lecture so im super lost atm
rugged root
What's your question? Normally you'd use the help system, check out the #❓｜how-to-get-help channel for more info on that
But I don't mind helping you sure up your function knowledge
rugged root
Like exam as in currently ongoing right now?