@midnight agate the part where i have to print ("hello , WORLD")
#voice-chat-text-0
vocal basin
i cant use voice chat so i replay here
yes, that is one of this channel (#voice-chat-text-0) purposes
spring karma
okay
so i am 31 years old and i live in syria
and i achive nothing in my life
i have a law degree
but i make nothing from it
this one?
@midnight agate
steve jobs was syrian BTW
yes u can google it if u like
vocal basin
Syrian father
spring karma
true
no siri is a differnt company it Bought by apple
so guys can i ask a few questions !
somber heath
Sure.
spring karma
For beginners what are the first steps to learn a programming language
I mean for people who have 0 previous experience
sweet lodge
@rugged root -- find your voice yet?
spring karma
Online courses are not free and the problem is that in Syria according to the US sanctions on Syria we cannot buy anything online and the free courses are not good
spring karma
any site recommendations
wise cargoBOT
gentle flint
make sure to check the free checkbox
spring karma
gaunt coral
lmao
gentle flint
try checking "book", "course", "tutorial" and "video" at the left
spring karma
what i can do to be able to use VC
wise cargoBOT
median lintel
gaunt coral
How long does it take to learn python by course before I could answer the easiest leetcode
spring karma
How long do you think I need to learn
gentle flint
somebody no something about this erro
if you would actually show the whole error it might help
oh, C#
I don't know anything about C#
spring karma
Is writing correctly and quickly necessary?
somber heath
Could the json be malformed?
gentle flint
maybe you could ask in a C# server?
spring karma
i paly alot of CS and VALORANT
somber heath
Is writing correctly and quickly necessary?
Not necessarily. It helps to be exposed to different ways of solving problems.
gaunt coral
hacker lmao
somber heath
It's about how well and diversely you think about problems that brings you speed, not how fast you type.
gentle flint
spring karma
so should start learing with python or should i go with somthing more simple
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
Hello, world.
You're a very nice group, and I can't wait to be a part of this community.
gaunt coral
I'm very bad at math,so will that be tough to learn programming as well?
spring karma
thank you โค๏ธ
somber heath
!e ```py
class MyClass:
def init(self, value):
self.value = value
@property
def value(self):
return self._value
@value.setter
def value(self, value):
self._value = value
instance = MyClass(5)
result = instance.value
print(result)```
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
5
this is python right?
somber heath
REPL. Read Evaluate Print Loop. >>>
Typically, you will be writing modules. .py files.
spring karma
is it like CMD
somber heath
The REPL is, kind of. py files are like bat files.
gentle flint
๐ฆ
gaunt coral
I've already learned some C# and C at school probably I know the grammar, but it is so hard for me to try something myself(bad at thinking๏ผ. How could I solve this problem
gentle flint
?
spring karma
like right program not to command a prograrm
gentle flint
oh
sharp urchin
write*
spring karma
yes
faint ermine
"write"
gentle flint
write?
spring karma
my english typing is not that good
spring karma
i can speak EN very good thow
gentle flint
spring karma
i think i should foucs in typing Correctly as a first step
u guys all development yes!
yes
gentle flint
sharp urchin
reading is bttr!
gpt?
chatgpt doesnt help?
not learning
it can help you perhaps to find your error
in your code
thats what i do
gentle flint
and what do you do when it's wrong
sharp urchin
not learning
is what i meant
errors is what i meant
i agree!! @whole bear
worked for me as well
vocal basin
I did some digging for my own education and I found the source for the term "eubacteria"
spring karma
I don't know what you know about Syria, but the situation here is very bad. We don't have electricity, the internet is very bad, and I want to get out of this country and start a new life and a good job... I've spent my life behind a computer screen and I think I have the ground to learn new things.
gentle flint
if you don't have electricity how do you run your computer
vocal basin
I did some digging for my own education and I found the source for the term "eub...
I was somewhat surprised at how recent it is
sharp urchin
brb
spring karma
panels are expensive though aren't they?
its is yes
vocal basin
ChatGPT is only good at finding common errors
vocal basin
ChatGPT is only good at finding **common** errors
questionably good still but eh
vocal basin
I was somewhat surprised at how recent it is
the major taxonomy model with that term existed in 1998-2015
which, imo, sound like quite a short lifetime
somber heath
!pep8
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
!zen
wise cargoBOT
vocal basin
imo, Rust docs are a step further
but that's more of "Python should get better" not "switch to Rust"
vocal basin
should != must
gentle flint
!zen
you know about the new python style guide, right
the one which overrides pep8
somber heath
It's not April.
vocal basin
there was a language by Mark Rendle called "BS"
vocal basin
there was a language by Mark Rendle called "BS"
from that same presentation
(not BS, but a reference to Python)
spring karma
i'll do that
vocal basin
there was a language by Mark Rendle called "BS"
this
spring karma
thank u so much guys for helping me
spring karma
I appreciate this very much
gentle flint
input_string = input("Insert your string:\n")
letter_list = []
start_program = ""
end_program_list = []
for i in input_string:
if i not in letter_list:
letter_list.append(i)
start_program += f"{(letter_list.index(i) + 1) * '_'} = '{i}'\n"
end_program_list.append(f"{(letter_list.index(i) + 1) * '_'}")
end_program = f"print({' + '.join(end_program_list)})"
print(start_program)
print(end_program)
there was a talk by, I guess, Dylan Beattie about (jokingly) the hypothetical future language
which by default does the "Hello, World!" if the code's empty
somber heath
@final grove ๐
gentle flint
!e
input_string = "Hello, Opalmist."
letter_list = []
start_program = ""
end_program_list = []
for i in input_string:
if i not in letter_list:
letter_list.append(i)
start_program += f"{(letter_list.index(i) + 1) * '_'} = '{i}'\n"
end_program_list.append(f"{(letter_list.index(i) + 1) * '_'}")
end_program = f"print({' + '.join(end_program_list)})"
print(start_program)
print(end_program)
@gentle flint :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | _ = 'H'
002 | __ = 'e'
003 | ___ = 'l'
004 | ____ = 'o'
005 | _____ = ','
006 | ______ = ' '
007 | _______ = 'O'
008 | ________ = 'p'
009 | _________ = 'a'
010 | __________ = 'm'
011 | ___________ = 'i'
... (truncated - too many lines)
Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/zusemesafu.txt?noredirect
vocal basin
there was a talk by, I guess, Dylan Beattie about (jokingly) the hypothetical fu...
this is exactly the satire on "well, you want to print hello world"
vocal basin
this
so, after I spoiled everything, everyone can watch this
https://youtu.be/vcFBwt1nu2U
hack:
tail.next = right or left
ListNode is not self-referential here
it's singly-linked
recursive
vocal basin
ListNode is not self-referential here
unlike doubly-linked
vocal basin
hack:
```py
tail.next = right or left
```
I did reverse order to preserve the logic
vocal basin
unlike doubly-linked
Rust's version of hell for beginners
faint ermine
Rust's version of hell for beginners
vocal basin
https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/
yes
doubly linked
singly linked are fine
vocal basin
singly linked are fine
Node T = None | Some T (Box (Node T))
I miscombined Rust and Haskell, yes
spring karma
okay guys I'll leave now but I'll come later with more questions (thank U ) โค๏ธ
vocal basin
```haskell
Node T = None | Some T (Box (Node T))
```
to construct, either Node<T>::None() or Node<T>::Some(t, box)
and in HS to construct it would be None or Some t box
I can't write Rust without IDE still (don't remember the syntax well enough)
faint ermine
struct Node<T> (Option<(T, Box<Node<T>>)>);
second T denotes value
so, None() or Some(T, Box<Node<t>>)
I'm not sure whether I have Rust installed anywhere
last time I used CLion
and the license is no more
what's the code, again?
I'd expect is None to be faster
idk whether that works with left or right line
you can paste the code
faint ermine
vocal basin
yes, kind of that
median lintel
30c here
lavish rover
vocal basin
```haskell
Node T = None | Some T (Box (Node T))
```
Node T = Maybe (T (Box (Node T)))
Node T = Option (T (Box (Node T)))
(haskell-ish and rust-ish)
for linked lists, use lisp, I guess
vocal basin
```haskell
Node T = None | Some T (Box (Node T))
```
enum Node<T> {
None(),
Some(T, Box<Node<T>>),
}
fn main() {
let _n: Node<_> = Node::Some(5, Box::new(Node::None()));
}
@sudden barn So you know how in dog racing how they have the fake rabbit that they zoom around the track on a line to get the dogs to chase it?
That, but it's programmers and programming problems.
sudden barn
:D
tranquil wing
Hi opal!
How are you?
vocal basin
enum Answer {
Yes(),
}
Is that rust?
Answer::Yes()
rugged root
Fair
Well did
You lead an exciting life, my friend
Most of them involve angry racoons
Oh actually
We did see a deer using the sidewalk at some point
tranquil wing
๐
rugged root
That was cool
vocal basin
`Answer::Yes()`
context (from VC):
and the answer for this can be* "yes."
* sounded like there will be a list of possible answers but no other answer was provided
(replied to wrong message but anyway)
rugged root
You're lucky you're handsome, Opal
Wow, I am truly a nerd. "Wait, how can I be sure I put the same email address in correctly? QUICKLY, TO THE REPL!!!"
feral deer
Just imagining deer with tusks now for some reason
That was actually the running joke in our D&D group
Anytime the druid shapeshifted into the dire form of anything, it meant it got tusks
Didn't matter what kind
Ooo
Saber tooth squirrel
That'd be adorable
Although bad for the squirrel
Can't imagine trying to crack into an acorn with those chompers
I'm trying to imagine who that is now
Gimme a hint
Hmm
Yeah, fair
I keep hovering over Laund's stream and it looks like I'm opening a window into a grape
tranquil wing
I remember I ever got scratch by squirrel.. ๐
rugged root
The red ones look more crazed
@somber heath That's racist
OH, do you remember Foamy the Squirrel?
Back in the glory days of flash cartoons
@sweet lodge Yo
sweet lodge
<@285152779465654272> Yo
rugged root
I remember I ever got scratch by squirrel.. ๐
Wait, you got scratched by it or you got to give one scritches?
tranquil wing
Scratched by it ๐
rugged root
@somber heath It was the weird dissonance between quick animation but also weird jerky animation
rugged root
Scratched by it ๐
Well that was rude of it
tranquil wing
Yeah, ๐
sweet lodge
log4j has entered the chat
tranquil wing
Log4j?
sweet lodge
You're here to write text to a file, how vulnerable does that have to be?
rugged root
It's a logging library for Java
Used (or at least was used) a lot in applications all over
tranquil wing
I see I see
rugged root
If memory serves, NewGrounds has a Flash wrapper to safely run them
Which is wise of them, because otherwise there goes like
ALL their content
sweet lodge
ALL their content
Are they migrating that content to a still-supported platform?
rugged root
They're just wrapping the flash files with the new interpreter
So it's all still there, just different with how it's executed
I think
Honestly haven't been on there in like.... jesus, over a decade
Man that was a long time ago
I remember spending a lot of time on it back in the mid-00's
Holy crap that site is that old now
Weird
Capybaras always look so done with everything around them
Oh yeah, Alien Hominid was a classic
sharp urchin
๐ค .
rugged root
One of the games put out by the NewGrounds crew proper, if memory serves
Actually had a console release, although it was a bit different
@whole bear That's a very..... interesting status you have
whole bear
!voiceverify
rugged root
You already have the role
whole bear
OMG
rugged root
You just have to unmute your mic
whole bear
discord is being weird again
rugged root
As is its way
whole bear
Bruh
rugged root
If Discord stopped being weird I think I'd start worrying about it
rugged root
Go into your settings and see if it's looking at the right device
whole bear
There is nothing
whole bear
LMAO
rugged root
Oh was it blocking your input?
whole bear
Guess no mic for me then
rugged root
Could try the desktop client
whole bear
NO!
rugged root
@somber heath There was also ArmorGames as well
Plenty of platforms like that at the time
rugged root
I guess that was about the same time as Albino Black Sheep and eBaum's World
rugged root
@somber heath Phrasing
What was the issue with it?
Ah yeah
Gotta love that
"Science API"?
Eh
I'll sacrifice privacy for convenience
rugged root
Yarp
rugged root
Wait, your router runs Python? @whole bear
I just use uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger
And smart internet browsing practices
They have to make their money some how
Fair
molten pewter
rugged root
Yep, love that one
sweet lodge
Yep, love that one
/s?
rugged root
Smart message to have, honestly
No
I genuinely think it's a wise thing for them to add
Covers their ass
Ah, gotcha
That makes sense
Very cool
@molten pewter Squats are as well
Good exercise
8 years? How old are you if I may ask?
Back in a bit
sweet lodge
8 years? How old are you if I may ask?
||12||
Just use Rust BTW
Rust BTW soooo much better
C has a 
because it's completely terrible with memory
You have to remember all kinds of crap because C is a completely terrible language
All hail Rust BTW!
molten pewter
synonym
whole bear
[2023-01-26 16:39:32.009123][MTAxNjg0Njk0NzY3Mz]
sweet lodge
time_id
It's a log line? With a timestamp and a node ID?
It's just a record_id, event_id
log_record_id maybe
amber raptor
All hail Rust BTW!
whole bear
def _get_guild_channel(self, data, guild_id=None):
channel_id = int(data['channel_id'])
try:
guild_id = guild_id or int(data['guild_id'])
guild = self._guilds[guild_id]
channel = guild.channels[channel_id]
# guild = self._get_guild(guild_id)
except KeyError:
# Absolute cringe!
try:
channel = self._channels[channel_id]
except KeyError:
channel = None
channel = channel
guild = None
return channel, guild
amber raptor
Is that possible?
Is what possible?
sweet lodge
Is what possible?
"subscribing to channels"
sweet lodge
I thought not
whole bear
You can subscribe to channels and guilds with the right intents to get all the updates regarding status updates, voice updates and all that
uncut meteor
whole bear
You do this by sending a request to the gateway.
The guild channels and DM channels etc are parsed on_ready()
sweet lodge
@amber raptor Do you like the idea of Carbon, or do you think we should jump straight to Rust BTW [or whatever]?
amber raptor
You do this by sending a request to the gateway.
Please link to documentation that shows Gateway Intent for subscribing to messages to channel
whole bear
Please link to documentation that shows Gateway Intent for subscribing to messag...
I'm doing this myself
I'm not using discord.py
amber raptor
I'm doing this myself
Please link to documentation that shows Gateway Intent for subscribing to messages to channel
whole bear
def parse_ready(self, data):
self.user = ClientUser(state=self, data=data['user'])
# add all the users
for user in data['users']:
self.store_user(user)
for guild_data in data['guilds']:
self.store_guild(guild_data)
for private_channel in data['private_channels']:
channel_id = int(private_channel['id'])
self._channels[channel_id] = PrivateChannel(
me=self.user, state=self, data=private_channel)
self.dispatch('ready')
def parse_message_create(self, data):
channel, _ = self._get_guild_channel(data)
if channel is None:
return None
message = Message(state=self, data=data, channel=channel)
user_id = message.author.id
if user_id not in self._users.keys():
_log.debug('[{}] new user: {}, {}'.format(
self.id, message.author.id, message.author))
# Append user to the user store because we can't fetch the (easily)
user = self.store_user(data['author'])
self.dispatch('new_user', user)
self.store_message(message)
self.dispatch('message', message)
``` @amber raptorthere's a thing to auto-repost from one channel to another (without any local code; the discord handle it on their own)
it may be called "subscribe" or may not
but that sounds like something different
also, the first channel needs to be of a specific type (news/announcements/whatever)
amber raptor
No, Please link to Discord Documentation showing Message Intent by channel
vocal basin
that's ready event
doesn't sound like intent
nvm, it's a response to sending intents; so that's why the link itself doesn't mention intents
whole bear
In addition to the gateway restrictions described here, Discord's REST API is also affected by Privileged Intents. For example, to use the List Guild Members endpoint, you must have the GUILD_MEMBERS intent enabled for your application. This behavior is independent of whether the intent is set during IDENTIFY.
vocal basin
oh
sweet lodge
@amber raptor I have....
Business request is to create a database table(s) to be a "master record" of some information, that can be referenced by people.
I have a managed PG instance in Azure.
Now I need to give the business people access.
Is there anything inherently "bad" about just like putting the Metabase Docker container in an App Service?
Lets them play build your own reporting, which keeps me from having to do it
Big thing for me is security, Google told me not to expose it over the internet
I'd firewall it, but that'd screw over our remote workers
amber raptor
<@113304266269003776> I have....
Business request is to create a database table(...
Write an interface
amber raptor
PowerBI?
whole bear
Powerbi :/
sweet lodge
Actually....
There's an idea
I always forget that one
They didn't take my hosted PG IIRC
But that would probably be perfect
amber raptor
!e python a = 1 b = '1' print(a+b)
wise cargoBOT
@amber raptor :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 3, in <module>
003 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'int' and 'str'
!e python a = 1 a = '1' print(a)
wise cargoBOT
@amber raptor :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
1
Busy busy morning
sweet lodge
gentle flint
hi hem
rugged root
It's necessary?
Yo oof
@whole bear How would you deal with errors otherwise?
No?
sweet lodge
beat them in the face
Sounds like a https://github.com/vcokltfre/angryexception
rugged root
Linter is for styling
sweet lodge
# pylint: disable-next= my beloved
rugged root
Fair
Oh sure, fair fair
I think my mental definition was too low
@limpid sparrow The hell did you do?
sweet lodge
You have 26GB?
whole bear
except (websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedError, websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedOK) as e```You can do that, yeah
gentle flint
so you know how I have to fill in a health check form before doing an exam or anything like this
filled it in, got no answer
rugged root
Most languages that have any error handling will
rugged root
You can make it more consise
whole bear
except (
websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedError,
websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedOK)
as e:
turns out their email system was down on the day they sent me the response and they never actually sent it
but of course they didn't bother telling me
another month gone to waste
rugged root
from websockets.exceptions import ConnectionClosedError, ConnectionClosedOK
...
except (ConnectionClosedError, ConnectionClosedOK) as e:
except (
websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedError,
websockets.exceptions.ConnectionClosedOK
) as e:
limpid sparrow
try:
r = requests.get(url, params={'s': thing})
except requests.exceptions.Timeout:
# Maybe set up for a retry, or continue in a retry loop
except requests.exceptions.TooManyRedirects:
# Tell the user their URL was bad and try a different one
except requests.exceptions.RequestException as e:
# catastrophic error. bail.
raise SystemExit(e)
@gentle flint I would argue that this is a place where the US is better
amber raptor
Not really
amber raptor
Handing out driver licenses like guns is bad but it would also require us to fix way we build cities
rugged root
Oh sure sure
sweet lodge
Handing out driver licenses like guns is bad but it would also require us to fix...
You get away from my guns
rugged root
@whole bear I guess I'm still confused why you would think error handling is bad. I can't tell if you're memeing or not
rugged root
There's just norway that's true
rugged root
<@456226577798135808> I guess I'm still confused why you would think error handl...
Like, how else would you handle an unexpected issue? Just let it crash out?
sweet lodge
You don't?
rugged root
@velvet tartan The Rust Book that's on their site is pretty good
Ooo, I hadn't seen this before
There's also Rust by Example on their site as well
velvet tartan
Thanks Hemlock ๐
rugged root
Happy to help!
sweet lodge
<https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/>
Another convert?
rugged root
The community one is, @amber raptor
@stuck furnace ๐
And it's robust as hell now
@limpid sparrow Faster how?
Faster to compile to JS?
Yeah toss a link
I'm curious
More or less
@molten pewter You're like
sweet lodge
Another convert?
Welcome to the Church of Rust BTW!
I see you've already been given a complimentary Bible
Come, come, we'll introduce you to the welcome team and get you a study group and an accountability partner.
We really hope to see you again next Sunday!
rugged root
So quiet
I can hear a small whisper of a voice
He's shrinking!
There should be modes that do it on the fly, right?
Or only recompile certain sections
Unless I'm misremembering
Link it
@limpid sparrow
limpid sparrow
rugged root
That's the rabbit I know and love
The "is used by" should be taken with a grain of salt
That can mean that one or two people on a small team in the company use it
Not that it's fully adopted across the whole company
@terse needle Sup brah
It's specifically comparing it to Babel, which yeah, makes a bit of sense
But I thought Babel wasn't the gold standard like it once was anyway
whole bear
xd
stuck furnace
Is anyone speaking? ๐
Ah ๐
I was wondering because my client just crashed.
limpid sparrow
amber raptor
I stay away of node, they are worst for just strapping rocket engines to cars.
stuck furnace
<@476543547210858506> ๐
Hey ๐ Just saw this sorry.
rugged root
Like... Typescript itself handles the compatibility for different versions
amber raptor
It seems better, so why isnโt everyone using it? Is there features missing or it requires code changes?
rugged root
@molten pewter Or you're head is hollow and allows for some sick acoustics
amber raptor
Iโm always wondering when people are like X is clear upgrade. So why isnโt everyone using it?
unreal hazel
What is the dog doin here
limpid sparrow
It seems better, so why isnโt everyone using it? Is there features missing or it...
Various reasons I guess
Usually cost
amber raptor
And then it comes out, well A B C usage case isnโt supported.
unreal hazel
@sweet lodge
rugged root
Time
unreal hazel
<@588068033415741525> Or you're head is hollow and allows for some sick acoustic...
Me personally I wouldn't just take that
limpid sparrow
Labour
rugged root
Tech debt
sweet lodge
<@285152779465654272>
rugged root
My guess
rugged root
TypeScript to JavaScript doesn't need to rewrite every single thing
unreal hazel
Why is it slow
rugged root
Unless you're doing it all in one file, ja?
unreal hazel
Same advise we give people when people saying "python slow, how to make faster"
limpid sparrow
How do we speed up typescript?
vocal basin
like, partial recompilation, I guess?
is that what you're talking about?
unreal hazel
Turbopack
rugged root
Yeah
unreal hazel
The new Next thing?
Next 13 uses SWC yeah
limpid sparrow
unreal hazel
I'm not sure what exactly you find to be slow
I've never had speed issues with the typescript compiler
rugged root
swc seems to mainly just be a competitor to Babel, not TSC
amber raptor
As DevOps, I just donโt care. Compile time is generally not a huge deal when going to prod. 2 vs 7 minutes, whatever, our cost per build minute is fractions of penny.
rugged root
I'm just wondering how much time the compilation takes that it would make a noticeable difference. I'm not for or against, just curious
vocal basin
like, partial recompilation, I guess?
is that what you're talking about?
(esbuild from its "from scratch, no cache" sounds like not doing it)
sweet lodge
swc seems to mainly just be a competitor to Babel, not TSC
To be completely honest, I don't really know what either of those are
Then what do you do as DevOps?
amber raptor
Then what do you do as DevOps?
Infrastructure
rugged root
Babel is a transpiler. You take JS code that may not be compatible with older browsers (like say your code uses ES6 things where the browser you're targeting only support ES5) and pipe it through. It will then make approximations or tweaks to make those new features work
amber raptor
Bicep, some compiler tooling
rugged root
Previously, Babel was mainly or only for JavaScript, not TypeScript
And the TypeScript Complier already handles these version targeting things
lost valve
sup
rugged root
Later rab
sweet lodge
sweet lodge
how can i verify
!voice โฌ
wise cargoBOT
amber raptor
Yeah
"Not my department" gets old pretty fast
Our devs are notorious for passing off anything they can.
vocal basin
why can't i speak
not enough messages yet
rugged root
See you Crystal
stuck furnace
You do have a very German accent. ||/s||
rugged root
I try not to make exceptions to the verification.
You've almost hit the message count, just hang out here and talk and you'll hit it naturally in no time
stuck furnace
Don't spam please.
lost valve
i ain't spaming
rugged root
That is
stuck furnace
Did you read #voice-verification ?
rugged root
And if you DO spam, I add 2 weeks to how long it takes
stuck furnace
Spamming to meet any criteria will get you temporarily or permanently banned from voice, and potentially the community.
rugged root
As I said, hit it naturally through conversation
stuck furnace
It really doesn't take very long if you participate in the text channels of the server.
rugged root
A lot of people
Copy, alt tab, paste?
That not an option?
Or am I misunderstanding
rugged root
vim users always seem so entitled
"My way is the best. How dare you imply we have to use a mouse, you peasant."
It's a matter of preference
I just don't think in a way that I benefit from not moving my hands from the keyboard
stuck furnace
Helix is a good alternative, if you want something like Vim but with less configuration. Although it's still a fairly new piece of software so it has some issues/missing features.
rugged root
"Ugh! Why isn't every operating system just keyboard based"
sweet lodge
"My way is the best. How dare you imply we have to use a mouse, you peasant."
Oh the emacs people are here?
unreal hazel
Oh the emacs people are here?
You rang?
rugged root
I don't feel like I'm suddenly crippled by having to move my mouse or take a second to think
lost valve
how do i know how many message
rugged root
Like
unreal hazel
You don't
rugged root
Run !user in #bot-commands
sweet lodge
"Ugh! Why isn't every operating system just keyboard based"
Why do you have a keybord??
Why are you not configuring with code??
Don't you IaC bro??
I use Ansible to maintain my NixOS bro
unreal hazel
Nvm
lost valve
thanks
i have 45
messages
after i complete
to 50 i will be able to voice chat
right?
rugged root
Last warning
You're doing the short messages on purpose solely to get the role
Stop it
lost valve
no man
vocal basin
"My way is the best. How dare you imply we have to use a mouse, you peasant."
I don't remember whether I told this here before, but
when I was at school, our IT teacher explained how to use keyboard in libreoffice calc because "mouse is for housewives"
but one time we were taught to use mouse is the drag-to-extrapolate thingy because "numbers go wheeeee"
rugged root
Read what's in the #voice-verification channel
The instructions and details are there
limpid sparrow
CTRL + R for the video role
unreal hazel
Can you grant me a cookie?
rugged root
Share to do what
@limpid sparrow @whole bear @formal ember Stop being tools
@lost valve They're trolling you
lost valve
@rugged root man gotta share my cam or screen
rugged root
You're not getting it then
vocal basin
<@98195144192331776> man gotta share my cam or screen
(reason?)
rugged root
I grant it for code streaming or help. It's not just for having it to chill
Plenty of servers for that
vocal basin
whole bear
LoL
rugged root
You are having a conversation right now
vocal basin
this button exists for a reason
whole bear
i don't think anyone uses that
stuck furnace
I can imagine the quality of debate that takes place there ๐
whole bear
political debate discord
unreal hazel
Least political discord server
rugged root
God damn it Shen
sweet lodge
Probably full of nice people
unreal hazel
Maybe we can find more Texans
sweet lodge
God damn it Shen
Hey, they asked
unreal hazel
Damnit let me join !!!
wise cargoBOT
rugged root
@lost valve Wait, you said who was there?
unreal hazel
Rust
vocal basin
looks ascii-ish
vocal basin
disgusting, I'd guess?
sweet lodge
disgusting, I'd guess?
yep
vocal basin
disgusting, I'd guess?
mistyping self is even more disgusting
unreal hazel
Slef
stuck furnace
@lost valve Can you turn on push-to-talk please. You have a lot of background noise.
๐
rugged root
!mute 554417200123871326 1d Sexual and inappropriate jokes, even in ASCII or Base64, are not appropriate or acceptable here. Please review our #code-of-conduct before returning
wise cargoBOT
:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @lost valve until <t:1674840121:f> (1 day).
sweet lodge
Lots of attempts at starting debates?
sweet lodge
That's Lord Hemlock to you
unreal hazel
Sir Hemlock should be our next bot
rugged root
Lots of immature people being a pain in the ass
sweet lodge
Sir Hemlock should be our next bot
We already got Anubis and Lark and.... How many bots you trying to make?
sharp urchin
~assholes~ as opal may say
vocal basin
did i miss sum?
Ctrl+F, "in:#voice-chat-text-0 from:hypnos"
that happened
unreal hazel
We already got Anubis and Lark and.... How many bots you trying to make?
Not as many as you
sweet lodge
I may have made a few bots...
unreal hazel
I never realized how many pies you had your grubby little paws in
sweet lodge
I never realized how many pies you had your grubby little paws in
My paws are cleaner than yours!!
sharp urchin
Ctrl+F, "in:<#412357430186344448> from:hypnos"
that happened
i see a github
repo
nothing more?
rugged root
Ctrl+F, "in:<#412357430186344448> from:hypnos"
that happened
Already removed the aforementioned message
sharp urchin
Already removed the aforementioned message
๐ฆ
vocal basin
nothing more?
attempts to circumvent the message count threshold
unreal hazel
<:firPog:785701297478959104>
My paws are cleaner than yours!!
Pretty sure birds don't have paws
sweet lodge
Pretty sure birds don't have paws
Fine
sharp urchin
nvmm
sweet lodge
My paws are cleaner than your claws
sharp urchin
i shdnt have stopped to pet my dog:{
unreal hazel
Claw patrol
sharp urchin
maybe
rugged root
Interesting how quiet it got once I muted that guy
sweet lodge
Interesting how quiet it got once I muted that guy
It's your fault
rugged root
In mean in VC itself
sweet lodge
Get your voice back already
vocal basin
Interesting how quiet it got once I muted that guy
peace and harmony and rare random background noises
rugged root
If only it were that easy
unreal hazel
hemlock also lost his voice?
sweet lodge
We're all typing to be accommodating to you, mr novoicelock
rugged root
@molten pewter Whatcha doin'
sharp urchin
peace and harmony and rare random background noises
i like those background noises
unreal hazel
Didn't Mina also lose her voice
sharp urchin
it helps me focus
rugged root
@formal ember What's the question?
sweet lodge
We're all typing to be accommodating to you, mr novoicelock
Except for @unreal hazel
They're just crazy
unreal hazel
I'm the most accommodating person on the planet
sweet lodge
I'm the most accommodating person on the planet
says you
unreal hazel
Considering I accommodate you 
sweet lodge
Considering I accommodate you <:pepepoint:873063068899373136>
I need no accommodating
Where code?
rugged root
#databases might know
sweet lodge
If you want help, where code?
rugged root
Never really messed with SQLAlchemy
Been meaning to
Ah fair
What are you trying to do overall?
Oh right right
Neat
I think I'm just too used to doing raw SQL
ORMs confuse me
Like ideas about implementation?
kindred flame
hey how do i get personalized help?
vocal basin
I made one project on SQLAlchemy and, sadly, Flask
(also, that's the (almost) same project that I used Angular for the front-end; the only my web project that looked good and was actually usable)
rugged root
So the current thing you're trying to tackle is how you should handle sending and receiving stuff from FastAPI to the database?
vocal basin
hey how do i get personalized help?
wdym "personalised"?
rugged root
I'll have to think for a sec, juggling here and work
unreal hazel
One on one?
rugged root
Sorry
unreal hazel
kindred flame
wdym "personalised"?
idk if i go here from a problem or legacy python help system
unreal hazel
I'll have to think for a sec, juggling here and work
Slacking at work are we?
rugged root
Not slacking, just finally got the email I needed to fix something
vocal basin
idk if i go here from a problem or legacy python help system
legacy help system was replaced by #1035199133436354600
unreal hazel
@sweet lodge you slacking too? 
sweet lodge
<@285152779465654272> you slacking too? <:firSus:785701919972261889>
No
Doing database exports
unreal hazel
Those take time don't they
sweet lodge
These do
rugged root
Huh... I guess it is the legacy help system now
I just remember back to when we had like 3 static help channels
Back in the before times
kindred flame
legacy help system was replaced by <#1035199133436354600>
thank you
sweet lodge
Back in the before times
@unreal hazel wasn't even born then you 
unreal hazel
<@432643355634171905> wasn't even born then you <:lemonsaurus:752877136183820329...
Were you ๐คจ
vocal basin
Huh... I guess it is the legacy help system now
how many different naming conventions did it go through?
(I only remember food and elements or whatever it was)
sweet lodge
No
stuck furnace
Hey @pallid hazel :)
unreal hazel
Fancy seeing you here @pallid hazel
Appreciate the advice you gave me yesterday
sweet lodge
I'm doing it so it becomes manageable
rugged root
@formal ember I know how we do it on PyDis with our database and site, but I don't know what a good setup would be for a more minimal system
sweet lodge
<@760820946612518922> I know how we do it on PyDis with our database and site, b...
SQLA
Use 2.0
Keep it small
unreal hazel
Nice bot
unreal hazel
It uses sqla?
sweet lodge
SQLA can be dead simple if you let it
sweet lodge
It uses sqla?
Yeah
stuck furnace
๐
rugged root
I hate all financial software
And even Thomson Reuters damn client portal bs
Like
I don't have the words to express how annoying it is
Dealing with it is like getting kicked in the nuts over and over again
And yet somehow less enjoyable
Man I really need to get more familiar with all the web stuff
Just wish I had time
pallid hazel
automate the boring stuff so you can be a slave to the machine
molten pewter
Tamakeri
rugged root
Always good to learn new words
stuck furnace
Good to know ๐
crisp flume
yeah
rugged root
That's pretty nuts, though
crisp flume
that was educational
rugged root
Minus the enjoyment
That also sounds like a euphemism. "Kicked him right in the Reuters"
unreal hazel
That's pretty nuts, though
Nuts indeed
rugged root
Might say I'm a baller
unreal hazel
Ballin
unreal hazel
Bye
whole bear
A
sweet lodge
B
molten pewter
C
formal ember
@molten pewter #databases
sweet lodge
i use CSV for data ----is there a better way
Databases, probably
whole bear
uwu
limpid umbra
is there a simple database version for a beginner
whole bear
Well then, guess i'm going to die, just ate a bit of raw chicken :/
Salmonella here i come!
formal ember
` from flask_sqlalchemy import SQLAlchemy
db=SQLAlchemy()
from datetime import datetime
db.create_all()
whole bear
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\RYZEN\Desktop\Seva\shulker\main.py", line 18, in <module>
from mcstatus import MinecraftServer
ImportError: cannot import name 'MinecraftServer' from 'mcstatus' (C:\Users\RYZEN\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python311\Lib\site-packages\mcstatus_init_.py)
spring karma
hello
median lintel
hi
somber heath
@jolly terrace ๐
jolly terrace
@somber heath i couldn't talk
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
jolly terrace
i don't have the requirements
hahah
in three days i could talk
and i have to send 50 messages
what brings me where?
i'm interested in data science
and i know python
i was looking for discord channels
where people are active
yeah it's active
but nobody is in the voice chat
all is in text
ohhh
my country have very similar hour to usa
and you why are you here
mmmm that's the same with all the people who know programming
not very social
hahhahaha
the same for me
i send you a friend request @somber heath
well i want to go in a server where i could talk
so you are in another server?
oh ok
have fun
bye
wise cargoBOT
topaz quarry
hello
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
obj[...] #__getitem__
obj[...] = ...#__setitem__```Subscription.!e py print('abc'[0]) print('abc'[1]) print('abc'[2]) print('abc'[-1]) print('abc'[-2]) print('abc'[-3])Subscription by index.
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | a
002 | b
003 | c
004 | c
005 | b
006 | a
!e py print('abc'[3]) #3, fourth index position.
wise cargoBOT
@somber heath :x: Your 3.11 eval job has completed with return code 1.
001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
003 | IndexError: string index out of range
cold cloak
[cat, dog, bird]
cold cloak
dawg
somber heath
@rich mason ๐
rich mason
hi
hoary olive
Hello
lucid blade
waves
hoary olive
what time is it then?
lucid blade
9
hoary olive
9 what
lucid blade
32+1+4
hoary olive
oh i presume it shows 21 aswell
hoary olive
galaxy watch?
i presume xiaomi ones have the most customizability , and apple has the least as usual
lucid blade
YEAH
hoary olive
samsung there in the middle
somber heath
@rain hawk ๐
lucid blade
there are better smart watches available these days
lucid blade
ulephone app armour
hoary olive
andriod 13 i think
hoary olive
who drops routers
lucid blade
somber heath
rain hawk
<@668317216831438869> ๐
I can't talk in chat. I don't meet the requirements.
somber heath
!voice
wise cargoBOT
wise cargoBOT
somber heath
@orchid bone ๐
somber heath
@plain lichen ๐
plain lichen
@somber heath hello
i just have a quick question. Do either of you know how to compile a script with pyinstaller and make it a onefile exe with images that dont require them to be in the same directory as the exe. I mean onefile exe says it all. I cannot get this to work for me and its really getting to me.
Im making a small program for Tmobile. Long story short im making a program that can easily monitor data usage. i got the go ahead from tmobile and after im done i submit it to their dev team and if they think its good enough theyll take it and publish it
but i cant get it to just onefile compile into an exe
Ive already got most of it working its just when i compile it into an exe for some reason the png files dont compile with it.
but yeah im adding --add-data and then the location to the file but for some reason the script doesnt know where it went
rugged root
auto-py-to-exe
somber heath
Why Python and not C/C++?
plain lichen
im using auto-py-to-exe
becauseeeeee i dont know much of c/c++ lol
besides im right there almost at the finish line everything works when its being ran off vscode just when it goes into an exe it breaks
So its monitoring the users data usage on their account in a very simple way. because to me im lazy and i dont want to sign into my account and scroll through this and click on that and blah blah blah and see all the other txt on the screen. So ive made this app so you log into your account and itll take you to the next screen where it shows you how much data you have used vs how much you have in total. Its mainly for those who have data limits. Like myself because i cant afford unlimited internet where i live so i have to be data caped because they dont have unlimited where im at. And i want to make something which im almost there. So i can just sign in and boom i see what i want
No its using the api. Account automation is prohibited it would moreless be web scraping
ive already dove through their terms of service with webscraping as its not illegal its not allowed. it would be wayyyy easier if i could just web scrape
webscraping is not illegal but for tmobile its not allowed in their terms of service
its not illegal for public information
sorry
sorry my phrasing is off i havent slept in 19 hrs lol
--add-data doesnt work. I have the file and pngs in the same folder i use pyinstaller and the commands needed then when i get the exe i open and i have it open with the console so i can see any traceback errors but i always get "name.png" not found. I am using --add-data "file path" --onefile
it works without it but as soon as i do --onefile and compile all of it into well 1 file it breaks and cant find the png files anymore
wait.. im being dumb.. I can compile the directory into 1 file correct. So remove --onefile let it build the directory that way then compile the directory into 1 file right ? would that work
that should work
well yeah you understood lol thats all i wanted XD
molten bronze
soo i need to work node.js in that environment
i did
no like if a put node -v in cmd i will get the version
but not in the conda environment and nor in the venv1 environment
yes i need to make the node.js in the conda
in orther to debug the javascript in the dgango part
C:\Users\danie\OneDrive\Documents\Scripts\Finca\venv1\Scripts;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\mingw-w
64\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\usr\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Scripts;C:\Users\
danie\anaconda3\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\condabin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\mingw-w64\bin;C
:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\usr\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Library\bin;C:\Users\danie\anaconda3\Scripts;C:\Program Files
(x86)\Common Files\Oracle\Java\javapath;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowe
rShell\v1.0;C:\Windows\System32\OpenSSH;C:\Program Files\Git\cmd;C:\Users\danie\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps;C:\Users\da
nie\AppData\Local\GitHubDesktop\bin;C:\Users\danie\AppData\Local\Programs\Microsoft VS Code\bin```cmd
and that is in visual studio code
yes
yes empty
rugged root
vocal basin
cmd
can you send the log of doing the following (replace <activate the environment> as required):
node -v
<activate the environment>
node -v
but in VS code or in cmd?
only in cmd
give you the version
no
conda activate --stack myenv
conda activate --stack base
?
yes the cmd in vs code? yes but is inside the enviroment
ok
so i am in a new cmd workspace
nop
somber heath
molten bronze
yes
they auto executed
cause i can open vs conde in conda or outside conda
VS code in conda or outside conda
somber heath
The grass is browning...
molten bronze
๐
whole bear
def get_aiohttp_client_timeout(self):
return aiohttp.ClientTimeout(
total=None,
connect=None,
sock_read=None,
sock_connect=self.ESTABLISHED_CONNECTION_TIMEOUT
)
def get_aiohttp_connector(self):
return aiohttp.TCPConnector(
loop=self.loop,
ttl_dns_cache=self.DNS_CACHE_TTL,
force_close=True,
limit=self.MAX_SIZE_POOL
)
def get_aiohttp_session(self):
return aiohttp.ClientSession(
loop=self.loop,
connector=self.get_aiohttp_connector()
timeout=self.get_aiohttp_client_timeout()
)
``` This is kinda cringe, all this to get a valid working aiohttp session for my specific application needs :/