web-development

[nimble epoch]

you use django_rest_framework token auth?

request.session[''] if im right. try it

[shy willow]

yes

rest_framework.auth I think

[nimble epoch]

rest_framework.authtoken right?

if so the token doesnt get changed by diff requests

[muted stump]

yeah got that

[shy willow]

yes, that one

[nimble epoch]

good

[shy willow]

how come?

[muted stump]

but i dont know why my sqlite is not working

[shy willow]

isn't that the whole point of token authentication?

that there are multiple, and they keep changing?

I was following this tut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFcnQbOfbUU&t=309s&ab_channel=TheDumbfounds

[placid plume]

There was a time when I learnt html and css and used to make websites

[nimble epoch]

its kinda one to one relationship between authtoken model Token with User model

[placid plume]

Now it's about python

Making softwares and ai ml etc etc

Btw wait

[nimble epoch]

any error?

[placid plume]

U know why I don't do web development, cuz it's not in demand

[muted stump]

no??

[shy willow]

so I shoudn't be using token auth?

[placid plume]

Backend development has some demand

But not front end

[nimble epoch]

whenever you working with frontend frameworks like react YES

[placid plume]

Within 3-4 years, backend demand wilp also end

[nimble epoch]

bro what you spamming????

[placid plume]

That's why I am looking up towards Android development and software development

[muted stump]

well not really website need to look good

[placid plume]

When did I spam

I didn't spam

I am spitting out straight facts according to data

[nimble epoch]

ok ok

[placid plume]

That others give

[nimble epoch]

oh ok

[placid plume]

Mm

[shy willow]

it's just funny, because if someone gets access to the one and only token, they will be able to access all data at all times

[muted stump]

@placid plume talking unrelated things is not cool

[placid plume]

I didn't talk unrelated

I talked about web developmmet

And it's fall

I didn't go off topic

[muted stump]

ah so what about web apps lol

web apps are trend now

[nimble epoch]

somehow you right but maybe rest framework uses something for token protection

[placid plume]

That are rarely used

Everyone uses softwares now

[muted stump]

no i use web apps a lot

[placid plume]

I didn't say that it's completely shut down. It has less demand compared to others

[placid plume]

It's the case with u

And many maybe

But u have to agree with the fact that web decelopment is kinda dying

U have to agree

[muted stump]

chromebook users like: ah are we in many

[placid plume]

Lol

[placid plume]

Do u agree?

[muted stump]

no i dont agree app dev is actually dying

we are starting to use less apps and and more websites

[placid plume]

Dude wut u saying, it's in demand in every company

[placid plume]

U r going the opposite way

[muted stump]

well google will deny

[placid plume]

Apps are used more than web

Why don't u get it

U can ask anyone

Whatever ur defence be, web development is in less demand nowadays

[muted stump]

well i use spotify web and discord web than apps

[placid plume]

Only u do that

And many others too

[muted stump]

not really

[placid plume]

Majority use softwares

[muted stump]

that will change over time

so better to learn web dev nowadays

[placid plume]

Web is actually good for those who have low end stuff and don't wanna install many things like me

[shy willow]

@nimble epoch just to get one thing straight, token auth works in a way, that there is a token for each user, or each request?

[placid plume]

I am trying to say that the salary of other developers is more than web devs

[nimble epoch]

in auth for each user

[placid plume]

Except backend devs

Hey @nimble epoch hey @shy willow do u agree with me?

[nimble epoch]

with what?

[shy willow]

so I'd have to create a token for each new user and store it on their device?

[placid plume]

Read the above chat

[muted stump]

yeah and all these chromebooks windows 10X is pointing to a web app dominant world where almost everyone can afford computers

[nimble epoch]

Token models in rest framwork will handle that

[shy willow]

I'm kinda busy, don't know what you're talking about. Also I'm a beginner in web dev

[placid plume]

Bro I don't wanna argue or anything but u can ask form like anyone who has some knowledge about this stuff

[shy willow]

but as I said before, I only see one token at all times

[nimble epoch]

yes

for each user diff tokens

[placid plume]

Backend development is in demand but it will end by max 8-9 years

Cuz there is a lot of competition in web development

And there is kinda less competition in other development stuff

Come on

[shy willow]

if that's what the converstation is about, I kind of disagree

[placid plume]

Get me?

[placid plume]

Read the whole chat

I mean to say that web development is in less demand than others

[shy willow]

maybe front end, because there will be more and more websites like wix and there will be like automatic design builders

[placid plume]

Salary of web devs is less

Nowadays

[shy willow]

then others what?

[placid plume]

Others means software , ai , ml, data scientist and app

These devs

U salary will be very high

[nimble epoch]

by others like mobile applications or something?

[native tide]

thats nowhere near true

[placid plume]

It's truw

Ture

True

[native tide]

it's not, it's your opinion

[placid plume]

God my spelling

U can ask anyone

Not only my opinion

[nimble epoch]

yeah of course you right

[shy willow]

@nimble epoch so I just tried using the website and making some requests, and the token is still one and the same

[placid plume]

Only backend is still alive

Front end is already dead

Backend will last for max 8-9 years

Or maybe 10

[nimble epoch]

yeah and most reactjs developers move to react native like myself for mobile apps

[native tide]

where did you get this info from?

have you looked at job markets recently...

[placid plume]

I didn't get its logical

[native tide]

so you're just speaking out your ass

[placid plume]

Cuz of many websites like wic

Wix

[shy willow]

yeah, that's a little hyperbolized

[placid plume]

Web dev is ez nowadays

[native tide]

wix, wordpress, they do not replace fullstack development

[nimble epoch]

ok i think you are blending things together

[placid plume]

And like anyone who doesn't even know about web development can make websotes

[native tide]

go on a job market, search react developer, go research a lil bit before you start mumbling nonsense

[placid plume]

Yeah I do know that backend is alive

[shy willow]

maybe, I have no idea what I'm doing, I was just following a tutorial:D

[native tide]

no, fullstack, frontend included

backend is more dead than frontend

[placid plume]

Bro u can ask to anyone

[nimble epoch]

and maybe you mean something else

[placid plume]

Like anyone

[native tide]

this just shows you know 0 about web development

[nimble epoch]

are you sure its about auth token? right?

[native tide]

I don't need to ask anyone, I KNOW THE JOB MARKETS, and you do not

[shy willow]

yes

[native tide]

you are mumbling out your ass

[placid plume]

I used to be a web dev

[shy willow]

I'm in the admin endpoint, and there is only one token

[placid plume]

But now I learn others

[native tide]

You literally just said you have 0 experience

[placid plume]

I know html and css

Not much

Front end is ded

Backend is alive

[native tide]

funnily enough, there are more react jobs than machine learning jobs.

stop lying

[nimble epoch]

django admin and one Token model?

[shy willow]

Can you check out the tutorial I followed to see what I mean if you don't mind?

[placid plume]

I didn't say web develipment is completely ded and of no use

[shy willow]

yeah

[native tide]

Honestly do some research before you start talking

[nimble epoch]

of course that true

[placid plume]

BACKEND IS STILL ALIVE SO DONT ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT THAT

[nimble epoch]

ok ok clam down

[placid plume]

I am talking about front end

I am calm

That guy is hot

[native tide]

React is frontend

[shy willow]

that defeats your point completely

[nimble epoch]

lol

[placid plume]

Does not defeat

[shy willow]

yes it does, if you've never done javascript

[native tide]

This guy has done 0 research, thinks react is a backend framework, then gets proved that there are more frontend jobs for 1 (ONE) framework than the WHOLE of machine learning

[shy willow]

XDDD

[native tide]

and says it's dead 😂

[placid plume]

Lol qait

[nimble epoch]

ok whats the point exactly?

[placid plume]

Wait wait

Lemme say

[native tide]

Nah do some research next time

[placid plume]

No one will message for a min pls maybe

[native tide]

Wordpress/wix is not even competition

[placid plume]

LEMME SAYY BROOOO

[native tide]

Do some research before you say it then

[placid plume]

U didn't even listen wut I am saying

LEMME SAY

I am here after enough research

Imagine owners seeing this chat

Lmao

But lemme say

Can I say?

May I?

[shy willow]

you see, @placid plume , maybe wix and wordpress are getting more and more popular, even because they don't require any code skills, but you can't build a website like wordpress and wix with something like wix and wordpress

[placid plume]

U dont need to build such website

As there are already many

[nimble epoch]

@shy willow https://www.django-rest-framework.org/api-guide/authentication/#tokenauthentication maybe this help

[shy willow]

point proven?

[placid plume]

Popularity might decrease bro

[placid plume]

I didn't say about rect or anything

[nimble epoch]

@placid plume you wanna say we wont need front end anymore?

[shy willow]

I have that on right now, I think I should do more research about token authentication in general:D

[placid plume]

Web development mostly consist of javascript, css and html

[nimble epoch]

good 😉

[placid plume]

Then comes the parts of javascript like react

[nimble epoch]

then...?

bro that all?

[placid plume]

So what I mean to say

Is ...

[shy willow]

front end development mostly consist of javascript, css and html

[placid plume]

Front end is kinda very difficult to get high salary in

[nimble epoch]

falssssse

[placid plume]

That is what I wanted to say sorry

Front end*

Backend is still alive

I didn't say anything about backend

Respect++

To backend

But why don't get it

Front end is dying

[nimble epoch]

who says that?

[placid plume]

Anyone can make a good looking website with wix or wordpress

U dont even need coding skills

So u get me?

Do u?

[shy willow]

man, you really gotta be careful spreading info like that, especially without doing research. There are lots of people like me who are dreaming of becoming something particular, like front end web devs when they're grown up, and then there are people who come along and just spread false info and destroy peoples dreams and hopes. Lots of youtubers do this

[placid plume]

Consider this @shy willow

[nimble epoch]

oh you wanna say why use coding while you can just move stuff around in a simple way?

[shy willow]

A website built with wordpress/wix has much simpler functionalities and is much different from a website built with react/vue/code in general

[placid plume]

Y r u not getitng it

Oo man

I earlier said that front end is usually made with css html and js

Just some time ago

React vue is other stuff

[nimble epoch]

i got a bad headache

[shy willow]

Answer this question: if you have a billion dollar idea website, will you create it with a web builder like wordpress or a code framework?

[placid plume]

Go and sleep

[nimble epoch]

true

[muted stump]

@placid plume well if you need to add some crazy functionality and maybe use some apis then wix or squarespace wont do

[shy willow]

exactly

[placid plume]

One back qs- do u have a billion dollar idea?

[shy willow]

no

[placid plume]

U lost the qs there

[shy willow]

that's not my point

[placid plume]

It is ur point

U gave up urself

[shy willow]

if you wanted to build any website. dunno why I mentioned billion dollar idea

[muted stump]

@placid plume stop this or we will call mods

[placid plume]

Most of the ppl take templates or use wix and wordpress and then do backedn

[placid plume]

For what?

I am spitting out staright facts

But u r not getting it

U r losing in this kinda arguement

So u calling mods

[shy willow]

yeah @placid plume , just do some research first or don't use such absolute hyperbolizations

[muted stump]

yeah if wanna look pro then you dont use wix and there is a big limitation factor in wix and squarespace

[muted stump]

well no i can make my stand

[nimble epoch]

mods can do nothing about it you gotta call fbi

[placid plume]

No one wants to look pro

[native tide]

As I said, there are more REACT jobs (One SINGULAR framework) than jobs for ML. It is nowhere near dead.

Your idea that Wordpress / Wix is making web-dev die is nowhere near the truth, because the jobs requiring fullstack skills cannot be made with Wordpress / Wix.

Wordpress / Wix is meant for individuals and small business owners, like you and me.

[shy willow]

this made me laugh, thanks

[placid plume]

Eg- look at Google and microsoft websites

[nimble epoch]

😆 👍

[placid plume]

I am talking about css html and js

[muted stump]

@placid plume you are getting toxic that is why we are gonna call mods

[native tide]

You said web-dev...

[placid plume]

Whne did I abuse

[shy willow]

you mean vanilla js?

[nimble epoch]

bro he said wix and ....

[placid plume]

When did I get toxic

I am proving my point

[native tide]

Google / Microsoft certainly aren't using wordpress or wix

[placid plume]

But u don't wanna agtee

That not my problem

[nimble epoch]

we all agree

[shy willow]

that would be hilarious

[nimble epoch]

you all true

[placid plume]

They have a simple idea and not something extraordinary feature in there website

Many of u r getting stuck in this kinda arguement

I know

[native tide]

They have very complex architecture, it's not a simple "idea" 🤦‍♂️

[muted stump]

oh so you are saying you can make a search engine using wix and wordpress

[placid plume]

But u don't wanna lose

[placid plume]

Dude I didn't say that

[muted stump]

and amazing web apps and google meets stuff

[placid plume]

That is backend

Don't argue with me about backend

That is still alive

That all are backend

[native tide]

Also you said that web-dev is low paid, well again I'll go on my job listing within my country (UK), and there are 1000+ jobs that pay $100,000 for frontend

[placid plume]

In any company u can search the salary of front end devs vs salary of other devs

[native tide]

Search it then! I have.

[placid plume]

I too have

[native tide]

How about you look at real job listings at this current time

[muted stump]

well stop this convo right now

[placid plume]

In ur country , other devs have more slaary

[native tide]

That gives you a definitive answer

[placid plume]

In every country it's the matter

[muted stump]

not if you are living in future

[placid plume]

But u don't get it and that not my fault

[native tide]

I guess so, and in the US the salaries are absolutely crazy

[placid plume]

I am talking about future

[muted stump]

creativeness and artistic things have its value

[placid plume]

Front end is dying

[native tide]

There's no need to be condescending, the point you made is simply untrue.

[muted stump]

ok

thug dog i got best example to cut you off

[native tide]

my point exactly

[placid plume]

Lemme say about creativity, u can get a website from wix or something. Then just make some changes with coding skills

[native tide]

look guys it's so "dead" 😂 😂

[placid plume]

And it's simple

[native tide]

one framework > whole of ml

guys its so dead 😂

[placid plume]

Bro I didn't talk about react

Why don't u understand

[native tide]

react is frontend

[placid plume]

But I am not talking about it

[native tide]

you thought it was backend 5 mins ago 😂

[muted stump]

alright i figured it out you are trying to promote wix

[shy willow]

apart from the crazy predictions you're making, it's very hard to make predictions about the future about especially technology. tech is constantly evolving, and you can't really predict what turn it will take

[placid plume]

I am talking about html css and js

[native tide]

Yes you are. You said web dev is dying

React is js

🤦‍♂️

[placid plume]

I didn't

[native tide]

React is considered web dev

[placid plume]

I said front end is dying

[placid plume]

I know

[native tide]

Is it? Is React dying?

[placid plume]

No

[native tide]

Thats 1 framework buddy

Theres 4 frontend frameworks

[placid plume]

Others are dying

[muted stump]

react and react native are topping

[shy willow]

@placid plume I have a feeling you are misunderstanding what react is

[placid plume]

Oo man

[native tide]

Ok cool, but react is still a web-dev framework

So web dev is not dying

[placid plume]

Itss so hard to get u the point

[muted stump]

angular: assasinate this guy

[placid plume]

I didn't talk about react

Don't come with the example of react

[shy willow]

So you are talking about vanilla js?

[placid plume]

Talk about html css and js

[shy willow]

wdym by html, css, js

[native tide]

You're talking about web-dev... I just showed you 1 framework which disproves your whole point

[muted stump]

react is front end lol

[placid plume]

Most basic stuff

[quick cargo]

This has to be the most pointless argument ever

[native tide]

Haha 😂 I agree

[placid plume]

I am talking about HTML CSS AND JS

[muted stump]

so you are saying about html and css

[shy willow]

@placid plume how many years of coding do you have?

[muted stump]

well html + css = junk

[native tide]

It's funny though, ngl

[placid plume]

They make up to 50% of front end

[muted stump]

and no one even gets a ob with that

[native tide]

+1

[shy willow]

not necessarily, it's still used in react

[quick cargo]

Yall know that Those a fundamental bases right?

react is just a framework built on JS

[placid plume]

That is what I am saying, no one gets a job with html css and js

[muted stump]

yeah but standalone they are nothing

[quick cargo]

i mean you can

[placid plume]

But u r talking about react and stuff

[shy willow]

ah, okay, in that case you're right

[quick cargo]

this argument is mind mindbogglingly dumb

[shy willow]

in what words would you describe react?

[placid plume]

U too r

[muted stump]

well then what is dying if it wasn't even popular enough

[native tide]

You backtracked from saying "web-dev is dying" to now saying you can't find a job with "html/css/js"

[placid plume]

I don't wanna describe react

[shy willow]

No one understands what you mean by html, css, js

[quick cargo]

even though you can because you react is mostly just a super set of raw html and js

[native tide]

^^^

[placid plume]

I said front end is kinda less demanded nowadays

[quick cargo]

Thats just false lol

[muted stump]

@placid plume shut up lol aren't you tired. no one even agrees with you

[native tide]

I just showed you frontend jobs for react > whole of ML

[placid plume]

I never said that web dev is doting

Dying

[muted stump]

doting

[native tide]

React = HTML CSS and JS

Literally just that

[muted stump]

yeah

[placid plume]

Ik

[quick cargo]

react is baby levels easy if you know the 3 fundamental systems it uses lol

[shy willow]

what are you relying on? do you have experience in front end?

[muted stump]

react is actually at its core html css and js

[placid plume]

I do hav3

[shy willow]

how long?

[placid plume]

3years

[muted stump]

of making calculator right??

[placid plume]

U can targue about experience as u said u r beginner

[placid plume]

Nope

Of making big projects

With html css and js

Not react and vur

[shy willow]

I think what you mean by html, css and js is vanilla js, just plain js. And in that case you would kind of be right. That's why people use js frameworks instead of just plain js

[placid plume]

Vue

[placid plume]

U finally get ut

It

[muted stump]

big projects are not possible with html css and js as big projects get hosted

you need a hosting service too lol

[placid plume]

Like those cool stuff

[shy willow]

but even plain js is not dead, it's just not as popular as js frameworks

[placid plume]

U r going back to react

[placid plume]

It will die

After several years

[native tide]

I wouldn't take your word for gospel after you thought web dev is dying...

[muted stump]

still you need to learn it for the frameworks

[shy willow]

okay, maybe you're right, but still, it's hard to make such longterm predictions.

[placid plume]

Idc if u don't take

[placid plume]

U can kinda research about future job demands

[muted stump]

well if you dont care then shut up

[shy willow]

but yeah, that's true, you still have to learn it

[native tide]

But I hope at least you now know, that it is indeed, not dying (and I have seen django jobs increase in the recent months too)

[placid plume]

I am from a time meachine

It is NOT dying

It is in LESS DEMAND

[shy willow]

okay this just escalated to a joke

[placid plume]

Lol

[native tide]

Less demand? Compared to what?

[muted stump]

it always been so what is your whole point

[placid plume]

Compared to backedand software ai ml data science etc

[native tide]

I bet you listened to all of the ML / AI hype and think it's massive

[placid plume]

My point is HTML CSS AND JS IS IN LESS DEMAND

[placid plume]

I do

And everyone does

[native tide]

Have you ever written your own ML model? You'll find it's not what it's put out to be 😄

[placid plume]

I am not onto that topic now

[muted stump]

well you dont wanna do fronend then go on we are not stopping you. but pls stop this argument for god's sake

[native tide]

Also frontend thwarts backend

[placid plume]

I have not reached ml

[native tide]

Anyday

[placid plume]

I used to do

I am telling with ma experinece

[shy willow]

then again, you are wrong

[muted stump]

yeah

[placid plume]

Others agreed that it's right

[muted stump]

it never been god code or something

[placid plume]

U guys r wrong

Agree with me if want

[muted stump]

you are wrong too

[placid plume]

If u dont, I don't care

[native tide]

@placid plume Please visit a job site (indeed.com), make some searches, filter by salary and then please come back 🙂

[muted stump]

then stop this

[placid plume]

I am not that right not so wrong as well

[placid plume]

I don't wanna

[native tide]

That says a lot about your argument then ey

[placid plume]

That's with only with that websote

[muted stump]

then shut up

[placid plume]

Not others

[native tide]

Cool, visit others then

[nimble epoch]

bro you still here arguing????

[shy willow]

because js is still updating. if it were deprecated a long time ago, it may have been useless and extremely easy to learn by now

[placid plume]

Don't get angry

[muted stump]

ok imma call mod

[placid plume]

Ok call

I didnt said anything bad or go off rules

I am spitting out facts

U r not agreeing

[nimble epoch]

do you wanna ask about these things in general?

[native tide]

No you're not

[placid plume]

U r getting toxic

[nimble epoch]

maybe someone answer you there

[placid plume]

And getting jealous of my point

[quick cargo]

Oml can we all just stop with this

[placid plume]

That is why u r calling mods

[quick cargo]

this is just another level of stupidity and pointless arguements

[placid plume]

Ok

Ok

No one cares

[native tide]

😂

[nimble epoch]

of course

[muted stump]

you lose bye bye

[placid plume]

I have agreed with ur point that front end is not dead at all

I don't lose

[quick cargo]

they're entitled to their own opinion whether or not that opinion is correct or not doesnt matter

[muted stump]

you might wanna look into #code-of-conduct

[placid plume]

U dont have words

[quick cargo]

just stop feeding them

[placid plume]

U r getting toxic

I am not

I am spitting out facts

[quick cargo]

In the end its not gonna effect any of you lot if that's their opinion is it, they're gonna be the ones loosing if that's their opinion

this is just going around in circles

[muted stump]

well facts are that in future creativity will be high demand than logic

[placid plume]

We both r kinda worng and kinda correct,

Lemme conclude this

[quick cargo]

You need JS, HTML and CSS to make ANY functioning website,

[muted stump]

yes

[quick cargo]

EVERY front end developer job will require you to have those 3 down

[native tide]

And that frontend outweights ML / backend / datascience
where did I get this info?
visit a job site (indeed.com) search each term and compare the job listings as a gauge of popularity and a measure of "is this field dying"

[quick cargo]

they are not optional specs

[placid plume]

HTML CSS AND JS IS IN LESS DEMAND (U HAVR TO AGREE) AND REACT AND ITHER STUFF IS IN DEMAND(I AGREED)

[muted stump]

wait no you can use django and get rid of js

[quick cargo]

They're the same thing -_-

[native tide]

^ Literally dude

[placid plume]

Never

In fiture

Al least

[native tide]

Go onto a job site, see for your self

[placid plume]

I don't wanna

[native tide]

Why not?

[placid plume]

U can go and see

[native tide]

Don't want to be disproved?

[muted stump]

oh you are saying in future react becomes a whole new thing

[native tide]

I have lmfao

[placid plume]

I am darn right

[quick cargo]

Please stop feeding the troll

[placid plume]

U guys win and also lose
I too does the same

[muted stump]

yeah everyone give this guy silent treatment

[placid plume]

I don't want

U dont have words

Say like that

[muted stump]

we do

we tons

[placid plume]

So say

Say then

Why u silent

[quick cargo]

Yall are entitled to your own opinion, just leave it at that

[native tide]

No one has agreed with you, and you don't want to visit a jobsite to disprove yourself lmfao, says a lot about your arguement. that's me done anyway, this guy's a good troll lmfao

[manic frost]

Hi, what's going on in here?

[muted stump]

we dont wanna say cus you are stupid and biazed

[placid plume]

Lol come on, u win and also lose, I also win and lose with some of the points

[placid plume]

Maybe u too r

[quick cargo]

can we silence this for like 5 minutes to chill out, its basically a argument that doesnt make any sense and is so pointless

[muted stump]

no we are not

[placid plume]

Cuz u don't wanna agree

[muted stump]

we are considering mroe things than you are

[native tide]

@muted stump Give him the silent treatment, he's obviously ~12yo and just trolling

[placid plume]

Idc if u don't wanna agree

[muted stump]

yeah

[manic frost]

That statement doesn't make any sense. Using React requires knowledge of HTML, JS and CSS.

Now let's stop this fruitless discussion and move on.

[muted stump]

thx fix error

[placid plume]

Dude I am going , believe me if u want

totsiens

Bye

[muted stump]

@manic frost can you also warn that guy cus he reached the point where he gets warned long time ago

[quick cargo]

my god just let it go

[muted stump]

especially if he was in general chat

[nimble epoch]

he left? thanks god

[native tide]

sooo uhh, where were we? websockets? 😆

[manic frost]

Infractions of other members are left to the moderators. We also have notes (hidden infractions).

Now let's really just move on.

[muted stump]

i guess so

it would be a pain to scroll up

anyway decimal is float in sql right??

[quick cargo]

tis a floating point number yes

[muted stump]

or maybe i should ask a question proper for this channel

well can i use a custom data stuff without ORM

[manic frost]

Sure, you don't have to use an ORM

[muted stump]

i just dont wanna go through learning all that

but should i use sqlite or postgres

[quick cargo]

sqlite is good for testing and small stuff

[manic frost]

Yep.

[muted stump]

well then postgres i guess

[manic frost]

If you're just learning, you can just go with sqlite.

[quick cargo]

generally i develop and test with sqlite first then move to postgres i prod

[muted stump]

no im learning and making my project at the same time

[placid plume]

I don't wanna argue more

Let's see who earns more in the fiture

[quick cargo]

I mean if sqlite is still plenty powerful for that sorta stuff

[placid plume]

And then talk

[manic frost]

!warn @placid plume I told you to stop this argument. Was I not clear?

[lavish prism]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @placid plume.

[placid plume]

I wen off

[quick cargo]

Man some people do not learn

[placid plume]

Ok

[muted stump]

yeah warn didn't even shook him

[placid plume]

Remember this

[quick cargo]

anyway

[muted stump]

like in anime: not even a scratch??

[manic frost]

Honestly, SQLite should be good enough.

[muted stump]

well this project is supposed to be big

[quick cargo]

how big though

like sqlite can still handle thousands of operations a second

[native tide]

If you're using an ORM there's no difference between postgres and sqlite apart from some postgres-specific fields, right?

[placid plume]

@manic frost I am not arguing . They r becoming toxic and kinda approaching this matter like and arguement

[quick cargo]

we only moved off sqlite when shit started hitting like 1 million rows

[muted stump]

its an alternative for patreon

[quick cargo]

Just a fyi you're gonna have a really hard time with payment and security type stuff with that, take it from someone who's made one 🤣

[placid plume]

U just warned me for no reason

[quick cargo]

or atleast in order to make the platform multi user

[muted stump]

yeah i saw that coming

[manic frost]

@placid plume If you want to appeal an infraction or complain about a moderator, contact @hexed spoke.

[placid plume]

K

[manic frost]

@muted stump When SQLite becomes the bottleneck for your service, you probably have bigger problems.

[muted stump]

oh lol

so sqlite to the go??

[quick cargo]

might aswell

[native tide]

what's the difference between sqlite and postgres which can give issues?

[muted stump]

is there any need for me to use postgres

[quick cargo]

well sqlite is single file

[manic frost]

SQLite locks the database on each write IIRC

[quick cargo]

and that^

[manic frost]

and, well, that ^ so it's not partitionable

[quick cargo]

i means its quite slow as shit gets bigger

it also lacks the security aspect of being able to lock files

[muted stump]

so sqlite is unsafe

hmm

well that is not nice

[quick cargo]

i mean if you're storing ANY payment info in your DB you're probably unsafe

[placid plume]

Hey it says that it's not for the concers about mods or any stuff

[native tide]

so, locking the database means you can't concurrently write stuff to it? not too sure on what that does

[quick cargo]

SQlite cant no

i mean its still quite

in the sense it can insert a million rows in less than a second

[native tide]

ah so it's sort of a "queue" if you will to write to the database, and with postgres it's a bit more concurrent

[quick cargo]

but its mostly select statments as it gets bigger that start to take a toll

[muted stump]

so it should not store any payment info

[quick cargo]

Well i certainly wouldnt risk the legal issues

[muted stump]

i guess i have to dump my project

wait no

i dont need to store em

and maybe instead of going through the money stuff i will make a digital currency like robux

but then they need to buy it first to donate to their fav creators

so i guess i have to dump the project

its pretty nice in plan but pretty hard when developing

i should try get someone else to help me out in this

why am i getting a white thing around my website

[quick cargo]

padding / border?

[muted stump]

ah i dont think i got that

[nimble epoch]

set padding and margin to 0

[muted stump]

ok

now it looks like this

[nimble epoch]

oh

you sure you didnt add padding or margin somewhere?

[muted stump]

nope

[nimble epoch]

how you to add body * margin and padding to 0? did you?

[muted stump]

.navbar {
    background-color: #333333;
    padding: 0px;
    margin: 0px;
}

.mainbody {
    background-color: #666666;
    height: 1000px;
    padding: 0px;
    margin: 0px;
}```

see

[nimble epoch]

yeaa

[muted stump]

maybe change width

[nimble epoch]

you using bootstrap too?

[muted stump]

nope

[nimble epoch]

i think theres something extra or wrong in your code maybe

[muted stump]

which code

python or html

[nimble epoch]

html or css of course

[muted stump]

{% load static %}
<html lang="en">
<head>
    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="{% static 'main.css' %}">
    <title>{{ title }}</title>
</head>
<body>
    <nav class="navbar">
        <h2>{{ title}}</h2>
        <a class="navlink" href="/">Home</a>
        <a class="navlink" href="/profile/">Profile</a>
    </nav>
    <div class="mainbody">
        {% block content %}
        {% endblock %}
    </div>
</body>
</html>```

.navbar {
    background-color: #333333;
    padding: 0px;
    margin: 0px;
}

.navlink {
    color: #737373;
    background-color: #4d4d4d;
    border-radius: 4px;
    padding: 4px;
    margin-right: 3px;
    text-decoration: none;
}

.navlink:hover {
    color: #737373;
    background-color: #8c8c8c;
    border-radius: 4px;
    padding: 4px;
    margin-right: 3px;
    text-decoration: none;
}

.navlink:active {
    color: #737373;
    background-color: #808080;
    border-radius: 4px;
    padding: 4px;
    margin-right: 3px;
    text-decoration: none;
}

.mainbody {
    background-color: #666666;
    height: 1000px;
    padding: 0px;
    margin: 0px;
}```

[nimble epoch]

not sure whats wrong

ok add body * { padding: 0px; } anything changed?

[muted stump]

nope

[nimble epoch]

oh

[muted stump]

maybe its a problem with edge

[nimble epoch]

try margin

[muted stump]

ok

[quick cargo]

low key dev tools r ur friend

[halcyon lion]

any javascripters who use vs code

need some help setting up mocha and chai

[manic frost]

@muted stump You should look into CSS grid, it often makes creating a layout easier.

[muted stump]

well it changed it a bit

[nimble epoch]

oh how?

[muted stump]

still the white margin is there

[nimble epoch]

oh ok just a idea... im not stupid but try body too

i mean body { }

[muted stump]

body * {
    padding: 0px;
    margin: 0px;
}

[nimble epoch]

yeah body just body {} not body * {}

[muted stump]

oh yeah it fixed it

[nimble epoch]

oh good

[wicked elbow]

do

html, body {
}
``` to set your defaults normally. dont know if it matters, but thats what i always do

[nimble epoch]

so i think you should delete one of them

[muted stump]

well did

[nimble epoch]

oh good

[valid plinth]

I was testing out the django tutorial and is there any way I can upload the whole virtual env folder to a hosting site like www.pythonanywhere.com ?

[muted stump]

now this happened

[wicked elbow]

im running a full developement server on aws, but you can upload to a lot of places

[nimble epoch]

i think you should add it like body, body * {}worked?

[muted stump]

no

i think

[nimble epoch]

u think?

[muted stump]

i need to just add padding on top to mainbody

[nimble epoch]

you mean a space is needed between navbar and main body?

[wicked elbow]

dont set your height in css... its bad programming... if you want it to fill the screen, set it with js. but dont set it in css

[muted stump]

well i put padding top on mainbody class as 1px and it fixed it

[nimble epoch]

true

[wicked elbow]

you can all just set the whole body to that color so it looks like its filled. but for someone on a different resolution then you, itll create a scrollbar for no reason

[muted stump]

i dont use js

[wicked elbow]

you should probably learn some, thats most of frontend programming.

[muted stump]

well im sticking to django and html for now

and css too

[nimble epoch]

@muted stump but i suggest you to use bootstrap thats eazy too

[cerulean vapor]

@native tide again, I'm not sure why you're getting this error - what are you trying to do?

[native tide]

That's just from sending too many requests too quickly

[wicked elbow]

learn frontend before you learn backend. unless you only plan on only doing backend. then by all means dont worry about js.

[native tide]

the WGSI server shits its pants

[muted stump]

bootstrap and i have a bad relationship

same case with js

[native tide]

Anywayas Infini, why do you not accept requests?

[cerulean vapor]

because I don't need the extra hassle, that's all

[native tide]

I am no hassle

[nimble epoch]

bro i was exatcly like you with js but i finally found out that i finally gotta learn it

[native tide]

You'll never get a DM from me. I can just see if you're online

[cerulean vapor]

when I did, I got carpet-bombed all day long by people who Just Wanted To Ask One Question

[native tide]

oof

maximum oof.

[cerulean vapor]

it's nothing persona, it's just a defensive habit I've acquired because people routinely abuse the privilege.

[native tide]

That sucks

[cerulean vapor]

(and then get annoyed when I don't immediately respond to their question, etc.)

[native tide]

I can't stand those people

hi

[cerulean vapor]

anyway, I haven't done anything too agressive with the refernce WSGI server

[native tide]

Help is free.

Don't be entitled

So infini, how did you learn Bottle?

I find the docs to be awful

[cerulean vapor]

picked it up on my own, wrote my own apps with it

[nimble epoch]

and about bootstrap if you want a better responsive page and better design you should be familier bootstrap cause after a while youll understand that css is breaking your page

[cerulean vapor]

I'm eyeing other things in the future, though, as they have no story for ASGI or async in general

[wicked elbow]

most docs are awful ive found. try setting up wsgi in apache. i still dont have it right because theres to many different version and to many different set ups and none of them really explain whats going on

[muted stump]

and bootstrap is basically css right??

[nimble epoch]

right

even eazier

[muted stump]

well i cant seem to find a bootstrap i like too

[wicked elbow]

yes bootstrap is prebuilt css/html essentially

[nimble epoch]

i think there something called w3.css or something like that if im right

its like bootstrap i think

[muted stump]

is it made by w3schools??

[nimble epoch]

i think

[muted stump]

w3schools is one of my fav websites of all time

[nimble epoch]

good

but i dont know why someone gotta prefer w3.css while theres a bootstrap outhere

[wicked elbow]

i dont like using prebuilt honestly, html and css arent difficult

[nimble epoch]

without them setting up layout are so difficult using css

[muted stump]

copy your discord name and tag by clicking on it multiple time

[muted stump]

not really if you got the time

[sand glen]

i've made a flask application and want to host it on my IP, what do i do?

atm its localhost only

[nimble epoch]

that exactly the point TTIIMMEE

[muted stump]

but finding a style in bootstrap takes TTIIMMEE

with css you are basically unlocking freedom of going crazy with the design

[nimble epoch]

really i think you are not familier with it

[muted stump]

yeah im not

[nimble epoch]

better check it

its not hard

if it takes your time once the css takes more than that FOREVER

you know repeating that long code over and over

for diff things

[muted stump]

who is john doe and jane doe

[nimble epoch]

idk lol

[muted stump]

its being used as dummy data a lot

[nimble epoch]

oh

oh my god who are they i just checked but they didnt match my eye

[muted stump]

also john smith is another dummy data character

[native tide]

look into hosting providers, you can use google cloud, heroku, AWS or a VPS (just some ideas for you)

[nimble epoch]

where you find these guys from?

[muted stump]

youtube tuts

[nimble epoch]

oh

[sand glen]

but, cant i host it on my PC temporarily

[muted stump]

well i thing you should be able to do it if its linux

as all servers are linux

[nimble epoch]

you want it to be local?

[muted stump]

no he want it to be accessible to everyone

[nimble epoch]

oh

[muted stump]

but host it on his computer

[nimble epoch]

i think its hard

[muted stump]

@sand glen i think Rabbit can help you

[nimble epoch]

you should use web servers like gunicorn

[muted stump]

gunicorn??

[sand glen]

i only want this so i can "stress test" my website

like

give people access and make them do their worst

find vulnerabilities/issues before i deploy long term

[nimble epoch]

i watched a clip and it was hard to setup on your own system and it took time

[nimble epoch]

doesnt tests do it?

[sand glen]

theres only so much i can test

[nimble epoch]

and itll take time people test it

[nimble epoch]

whats wrong with it?

[muted stump]

what is gunicorn

[nimble epoch]

green unicorn lol

[muted stump]

what is that

what is special about it

[sand glen]

what about apache web server

[nimble epoch]

i just use it thats special

[nimble epoch]

never used it but probably good too

[muted stump]

oh i thought it was a "unicorn"

[nimble epoch]

it is based on unicorn if im right

[native tide]

If you want to stress test your site, (in terms of how many users can be on concurrently), I have heard you can use something like "Pupetteer" but I haven't had the chance to use it myself.

[sand glen]

oh

i know what that is

but i was thinking stresstesting as in testing logins etc

and more

[native tide]

Sounds like you'd want a testcase, testing different regex patterns within your forms and whatnot.

[sand glen]

bruh

advertising

@quiet ridge

[quiet ridge]

No it's not paid I m just asking for a partner to help me

@sand glen

[sand glen]

INCLUDING requests for paid work

thats unapproved advertising

[quiet ridge]

It's not paid man

[sand glen]

so you should delete the message

yeah and?

you're not allowed to post unapproved advertising

[quiet ridge]

Okay fine

Is it okay now

[sand glen]

just dont advertise alright

[manic frost]

Honestly, learning bootstrap and its abstractions (on which I gave up) was way harder than just learning how to use CSS Grid from scratch.

[native tide]

I always feel like a chump because I can do grids with bootstrap only and not raw css 😂

[wicked elbow]

i dont use grid, i plan out my my widths and build containers for everything and use flex. not incredibly hard

[toxic flame]

i like using tailwind for everything coz its basically all i need to get everything setup and do backend

Honestly i love backend alot more than fronted reeeee

[quick cargo]

tailwind is a very nice framework

[toxic flame]

Not sure if its a framework

[static wind]

anyone know how to setup a flask app with cpanel, i've tried a bunch of stuff but i'm getting only 503 service unavailable

when i try running through the console the app just straight up doesn't launch

[cunning mortar]

Hi everyone, i am using bcrypt to encript my users password and and i got an error of encoding before hashing so i encoded to utf8 and i got the following error

AttributeError: 'bytes' object has no attribute 'encode'

can you please tell me what im doing wrong?

[fallow void]

You are getting bytes and not string
From wherever you are getting your input

[cunning mortar]

im trying to compare encrypted passwords with the ones on my db

[cunning mortar]

so i need to decode first? or just try to convert the hashed password to string?

[fallow void]

Decode so you will get string

[cunning mortar]

Ok, thx

[cunning mortar]

It worked thx a lot

[ripe matrix]

hi

How can I find out the device model?

on flask

[native tide]

with user agent?

device model of a connecting client?

or the machine thats running flask

[native tide]

@cerulean vapor yo

I rebooted my mac mini and I setup my pyenv again

and Bottle is fast

[native tide]

Anyone here that can tell me what server I should use for my Bottle app?

[native tide]

Hey I have a question. If I use ".send_keys('Blablabla')" is there a way it types slower then normal? Because when I do it the normal way it types very fast the thing I want to write. In this case "Blablabla"

using selenium btw.

[cerulean vapor]

@native tide by "server" do you mean the actual hosting stack for making something publicly available?

[native tide]

yea

Like nginx

[cerulean vapor]

Nginx and Apache are the two most common choices

[native tide]

gah

chokes

why not Caddy

[cerulean vapor]

I have honestly never heard Caddy mentioned

[native tide]

; - ;

Its nice

[cerulean vapor]

the hosting I use is entirely Apache so I have no choice in the matter, in my case

[native tide]

ouch

[cerulean vapor]

so it's going to revolve largely around the hosting options and what they support

[fickle karma]

@native tide how about a for loop with a time.sleep for every character u want to send

[cerulean vapor]

yes, I'm outgrowing them for this project, I may have to set up something more ambitious, but for now it's cheap and it works

[native tide]

Oh yea!

Thanks!

@cerulean vapor why not write a WSGI -> FCGI adapter if possible

[cerulean vapor]

FCGI is nothing I want to touch

[native tide]

:v)

[cunning mortar]

hello, any recommended library to show graphs on flask based website?

[native tide]

@cunning mortar

https://www.chartjs.org/

[cunning mortar]

thx!

[native tide]

No prob bob

[static wind]

any help

[lament sundial]

Got the logs=

?

[static wind]

sure i can pull them up

2021-02-14 12:57:29.853932 [WARN] [64583] [p...:15800744] cannot determine application type at /home/[redacted]/walterclements/, disable it.
is the only relevant thing i can find

everything else is just "file not found " for things unrelated

[elder nest]

I know this isnt really python but google didnt have anything. but its kind of webish? what type of record would us1.falixnodes.net:55903 be

I am trying to set it up on dnsafraid

because A record doesnt work

[spice bloom]

Sup everyone

I'm new to domain and hosting. I've got some programmiing skills. Anyway, I bought a host on namecheap.com, and I own hosting on digitalocean.com. First, where do I store an index.html on my host, and then how do I point my namecheap.com domain to load up my host?

[cerulean vapor]

DIgitalocean's docs should have information about how to set up a domain name to point at their DNS servers

and each host has different ways to set up a website with a domain

[opaque inlet]

I'm having a problem with getting post requests from patreon, I'm using a webhook to get these post requests

When I tested with other webhook testers, it returned a status code of 200 as expected, but with patreon's test, it returns a 400

from flask import Flask, request, Response


app = Flask(__name__)

@app.route('/webhook', methods=['POST'])
def respond():    
    return Response(status=200)

That's my code

oh, I found the problem

[wicked elbow]

ok so im doing something similar to this, using django/rest how do i return all the data linked to the table.

basic example:

class Group(models.Model):
    name = models.CharField(max_length=100)

class Student(models.Model):
    name = models.CharField(max_length=100)
    group = models.ForeignKey(Group)

if i run a lookup on group, how do i respond with

{
  [
    name:'group1'
    students: ['stud1', 'stud2']
  ]
  [
    name: 'group2',
    students: ['stud3', 'stud4']
  ] 
}
``` or something similar?

[vestal hound]

change the related_name field

make a GroupSerializer

that contains a StudentSerializer

then GroupSerializer(instance=queryset, many=True).data

basically

[wicked elbow]

yes, i got that, but how is it set in the serializer fields? thats what im struggling with. i know the relationship exists, but dont know how to make it a response

[vestal hound]

uh

class StudentSerializer(serializers.ModelSerializer):
    class Meta:
        model = Student
        fields = ['name']

class GroupSerializer(serializers.ModelSerializer):
    students = StudentSerializer(many=True)
 
    class Meta:
        model = Group
        fields = ['name', 'students']

remember to change related_name

[wicked elbow]

clearly you can type much faster then me

ok, ill try that

[wicked elbow]

that worked perfectly, thank you so much... been racking my brain. little over my head in the terms of backend coding

[vestal hound]

yw

[wicked elbow]

i knew the forward relation, but not how to do it in reverse.

[vestal hound]

I had to figure it out myself a few months ago

it can be painful

[wicked elbow]

django/rest has weird ways to do things with poor documentation that doesnt explain much

[vestal hound]

ye

it's hard to write good documentation

and honestly I'm not a fan of the codebase

stack traces are hard af to read

although I suppose that comes with the level of abstraction

on the good side though

lots of stuff comes out of the box

[lament raft]

which is the best place to host flask app for free , with database support

[wicked elbow]

aws isnt super expensive and a lot of freebies included. really depends on what you want honestly

[wicked elbow]

yea, i feel that to the core as well

[nimble epoch]

heroku is full free and supports postgresql

[lament raft]

very beginner level stuffs , just want to try and use the technology

[wicked elbow]

heroku works too. most free services limit you though. cant also just set up a server/dev server on your own pc and not need a host

[ripe matrix]

wdym XD

[native tide]

what is it you want to achieve

[ripe matrix]

information about client as model: iphone

[native tide]

@ripe matrix that data is in the User-Agent request header that your clients send to your server with every their request

inside of your function in flask you can access that value with:
request.headers['User-Agent']

https://stackoverflow.com/a/9209931

and here is how to "process" that value and find out what device is being used

[robust mulch]

I need a sanity check, Does the REST api have any way to update a website without the user requesting the update?

I've been searching online but I don't think I'm wording my query right

[vestal hound]

basically

you want

the server to push data to the user

without the user first sending a request?

[robust mulch]

i'm already using websockets for that

So I know my way around this

It's just I read something online and now I'm confused

[vestal hound]

huh

okay, maybe you can elaborate further then

[robust mulch]

And I don't want to write something incorrect in my report

REST is request-response cycle right?

[vestal hound]

strictly speaking, no

[robust mulch]

and there haven't been any updates whatsoever?

[vestal hound]

that's HTTP

[robust mulch]

Oh yeahhhh

[vestal hound]

REST does not need to be over HTTP

[robust mulch]

cause REST is a guideline?

[vestal hound]

no

it's an API architecture

[robust mulch]

It's an architectural style no?

ye

[nimble fractal]

Hello guys, I'm going to write a web application using a react frontend, and postgres / postgis database. We are unsure whether we should use a geodjango backend, or an express.js backend. We might consider other backends, if using something else is smarter. The application will display large amounts of data, similar to solutions like this: https://www.globalforestwatch.org/map/

The reason for geodjango:
Good implementation of geospatial functions
Easy to write in python

The reasons for express.js / turf.js:
Potentially faster
Potentially more lightweight

Anyone have experience using these frameworks to give me some advises and help me to choose?

[tiny patio]

HI

I AM NEW

CAN I learn something

about python web development

where to start

how to do

etc..

where to learn about this

[brisk spear]

Hey

I installed sqlalchemy but when I run the app.py file it says no module found

I also imported everything required

[brisk spear]

Start by learning HTML, CSS and then go for flask microframework of python

[shrewd mural]

Hey, I'm currently working on a personal project (I don't think I'll be able to make it being a "real" thing, but let's hope), during my studies I used a lot Python, and a bit of Flask, PHP & Symfony.. I'm wondering if it is "worth it" to learn Django and make the backend with it instead of Flask, or some PHP alternatives like Symfony

[austere cloud]

I guess you should try django

[native tide]

how would i check if an object already exists in the db in django

[cold portal]

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/models/querysets/#exists

It has some nice examples

[hybrid bobcat]

oh um so like i ran pip freeze > requirements.txt hoping it to install all the dependencies listed in there, but instead, it deletesd my requirements.txt file, why is that?

[native tide]

ight thx

[gaunt socket]

Hi, can someone tell me why my code is going over the border and isnt listing vertically? Ill post a picture in a second

[cold portal]

I suggest using <ul> <li>.....</li><li>......</li></ul>

[gaunt socket]

Ill give it a shot now. Thanks!

[cold portal]

np

[limber laurel]

Does this mean they have debug mode enabled?

As shouldnt a regular person not see this shit?

[swift sky]

how can i have multiple forms in one view

trying to implement a search button to query the user db, then another form to update those changes to the user profile

im currently getting a jinja exception, template not found (even though template exists) and i suspect this is happening because of a validation error

[cold portal]

i used tabs and provide two forms in the context

[swift sky]

which probably has to do with how i set up my code

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/nixonizafa.kotlin

i can post the html too

if i do this

# if which_user_form.submit2.data and which_user_form.validate_on_submit():

i get a jinja2.exceptions.TemplateNotFound: admin_update_single_user.xhtml

[cold portal]

sorry, no input on this one

[swift sky]

:/

ok

[native tide]

app 
   ----cli
       ----__int__.py
       --- test.py
   ----db
       ---__init__.py
       ---models.py

Anyone has idea why would i get an input error for db module when trying to run python cli/test.py

[fallow void]

Your test is probably importing db module

[native tide]

yeah but i need it

[fallow void]

Time to debug then

[marble gate]

Has anyone used Mongo alchemy in fast api before?

[hybrid bobcat]

Hey guys I'm currently using Flask and my templates are now unable to get static files from the static folder.
I am now trying to build an url endpoint for static files so my html files can reference the static files like this

<link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="/static/css/bootstrap-theme-3.1.1.min.css" />

so I built the view function like this

@app.route('/static/css/<path:filename>')
def static_files_css(filename):
    return send_from_directory('static', filename=filename)

but unfortunately, it doesn't work, how can I fix it?

i also found out that flask has a default /static url path, but when i visit it, it says its not found

[native tide]

yo

@hybrid bobcat where's perry?

[hybrid bobcat]

here

[native tide]

Heh

[spare iris]

hello

[native tide]

@glossy arrow

[glossy arrow]

Hey

[native tide]

you here my dude?

ay

[glossy arrow]

Yeah

[native tide]

want to make an awful .io game?

put 300000000k ads on it

[glossy arrow]

Lmao

[native tide]

Literally so many ads that when you open it on a iPad the iPad bursts into flames