discord-bots

[narrow hazel]

so it resets the value when the bot resets

[gritty inlet]

Value of what

[narrow hazel]

the variables for the interactions I created

its determined on who presses the buttons and what channel they create

[gritty inlet]

Huh

[gritty inlet]

Those are reinitiated on each interaction bru

[gritty inlet]

Well yeah you need to pass those when you use the view

Don't need a db

[narrow hazel]

doesnt the data get lost when the bot resets? without DB?

[gritty inlet]

uhh not sure you should use cog like that

[gritty inlet]

Persistent buttons are still somewhat dynamic... You need to pass those values every time

Persistent views* there's no such thing as a persistent button and that's some of the point

[narrow hazel]

yeah but the value is detemined by who presses it I cant just use like self.opener?

[gritty inlet]

There are dynamic items

[gritty inlet]

You pass it to cog so Idk how to help with that

Add the view to the bot without passing,

And when you use the view, pass it

use the view = send a message with it

[narrow hazel]

I found this on github. Is this how it's supposed to be passing value to keep it?

[gritty inlet]

This code shows 2 different things

[narrow hazel]

nvm it's prefix

[gritty inlet]

?

Wdym

You got 2 options:

1. Dynamic Items
   It's a component instance that is completely dynamic and does not "save" data, rather it gets the data from the component's custom id

2. Persistent views:
   The view instance can "save" things for as long as it's active, allowing you to not have to use the custom id of its components for accessing the data

Persistent views are meant to be able to work after restarts but they depend on you giving the view instances the right data.

Dynamic items will always work as they depend on the custom id

[narrow hazel]

so is dynmaic items what im looking to do or does either work based on how im handling the class methods?

[gritty inlet]

The code at the top is a dynamic item

[narrow hazel]

yeah but waht I wanna eventually achieve is getting the values back after the bot resets. Currently im just setting it to none and you said using cogs is a different method than whats normal

[gritty inlet]

Then you should probably use dynamic items

[narrow hazel]

ok thanks

[gritty inlet]

You can also use dynamic items with a static custom id

[narrow hazel]

Thanks i'll try it tomorrow. I spent too long coding today lol

[gritty inlet]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/events/webhook-events#event-body-object
I can't figure out why data is marked as nullable, no event has empty data.
Does ? maybe mean it's dynamic?

[burnt quiver]

it's optional, not nullable

[gritty inlet]

What does optional mean in this context

[burnt quiver]

i believe

data: dict[str, Any] = {}
data['key'] # Raises KeyError if optional else returns None if it is nullable

basically

!d typing.NotRequired

[unkempt canyon]

typing.NotRequired

typing.NotRequired```
Special typing construct to mark a [`TypedDict`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.TypedDict) key as potentially missing.

See [`TypedDict`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.TypedDict) and [**PEP 655**](https://peps.python.org/pep-0655/) for more details.

Added in version 3.11.

[burnt quiver]

i think?

[tropic kelp]

So data.get('key', None)?

[burnt quiver]

yes

[gritty inlet]

isnt that the definition of nullable...

ah i see so optional is something that might not even be there

got it

[earnest cloud]

how to use docstring correctly?
i tried everything but it's still showing "no description given" like this:

?timeout

Timeout a member

:param member: The member to timeout
:param minutes: The number of minutes to timeout
:param reason: The reason for the timeout (optional)

Arguments:
  member  No description given
  minutes No description given
  reason  No description given (default: no reason)

[woeful hill]

You would need to use numpy style i believe

[tropic kelp]

Which format exactly are you using?

[gritty inlet]

Theres many styles

[woeful hill]

"""Short desc

Long desc

Parameters
----------
a : int
    desc for a
b : str, optional
    desc for b
"""

[gritty inlet]

class Application:
    """
    An application object to handle webhook events for. Used in `start_listening`.

    ---
    Args:
        url_path (str):
            The URL path to the webhook endpoint you have specified on *your application's Developer Portal page -> 'Webhooks'*.

            For example, if your endpoint is *`https://quackbots.xyz/webhook1`*, then `url_path` should be *`/webhook1`* (it depends on your server/file configuration).
        verify_key (str):
            Your application's public key, used to verify Discord's request signature.
            You can find this on *your application's Developer Portal page -> 'General Information'*.
    """```

Example

You're not forced to use a specific style

This is an option, and yes it works with intellisense or whatever you want to call it

[earnest cloud]

the standard one

[tropic kelp]

Sorry, but there is no standart really (iirc)

[gritty inlet]

I know of 3 different styles

But there isn't a specific one that "everyone and their mother use"

[earnest cloud]

like this:

:param member: The member to timeout
:param minutes: The number of minutes to timeout
:param reason: The reason for the timeout (optional)      

oh wait

[compact chasm]

Hello again chat I'm once again in need of help

[tropic kelp]

With what?

[compact chasm]

I'm getting the error "In guild_id: Value "[]" is not snowflake." HOWEVER there is not a single "guild_id" in my code so now I'm extremely confused

[earnest cloud]

"""
Timeout a member

:param member: The member to timeout
:param minutes: The number of minutes to timeout
:param reason: The reason for the timeout      
"""

[tropic kelp]

Can you show the fill traceback?

[gritty inlet]

youre probably passing a positional arg somewhere

[tropic kelp]

*full

[compact chasm]

Uh yeah probably should've sent that from the start 😭

Is it fine if i screen shot

[tropic kelp]

Perhaps a post in #1035199133436354600 is appropriate

[compact chasm]

I mean when i read the thing it said to use the topical helps and i need help with my bot isn't this the right place

[tropic kelp]

for smaller questions and stuff, yes, but for long topics a seperate thread is usually better (so people can talk about discorsd stuff here, but yopur specific questions are in a thread)

[compact chasm]

Oh I see I see thanks

[woeful hill]

I dont see where you specify the type of the parameters

That could be why it failed to parse

[earnest cloud]

yea this work thx

[quick gust]

That's RST style,
You're missing a

:type param_name: param_type

[woeful hill]

You can also change the desc of the param to a new line instead of being in the same line (the parser probably think thats where you specify the type, so it failed to parse)
Like this

"""
:param member:
    The member
"""

[timber dragon]

discord.py's ext.commands only supports the numpy style fwiw

And app_commands support google, numpy and sphinx

[woeful hill]

My initial thought was that it only support numpy, now i know it also support more in app_commands

[severe field]

i believe you can even add types to your params like this:

"""Class to hold the parameters for fetching content from the API.

    :param list[str] | None tags: List of tags to filter posts 
    :param FileType | None file_type: File type filter 
    :param SortOrder | None sort_order: Sort order for posts 
    """

[narrow hazel]

I finally figured out how to find the number inside the count and add the value to the int

I was overthinking it the whole time

[fast osprey]

this will give you false positives on substrings

[narrow hazel]

its counting

My only goal is the match the int inside the message content so people could produce messages

[fast osprey]

target number is 3, I type 8532165 and your code will say it counts

[narrow hazel]

well I asked for help earlier and got insulted so im not gonna try anymore

[fast osprey]

suit yourself, odd to post code here with the explicit intent of not getting help on it though

[young dagger]

What about

if message.content.strip() == str(count["Count"]):

[fast osprey]

Depends if you want to allow for the number being between words. Regex would be the approach if you did

[timber dragon]

You have been given 3 solutions and are still choosing to do that lol?

Also are you reading and writing to json on every message 💀

[fast osprey]

I mean they've said they don't want help

[timber dragon]

I don't see where they got insulted
Unless asking for help and not getting the solution or people calling your current code bad is a personal insult to them

But it looks like they left the server, so, welp.

[fast osprey]

Rip

[proper slate]

Has anyone else made an animated discord bot? I want to see what others look like and how they managed it. Id like to compare notes and see what we did differently.

[burnt quiver]

what is an animated discord bot

[proper slate]

A discord bot with animated responses

I used GIFs that I render custom for commands and then cache. GIF counts as one message even if its 60 frames, so if you keep it under 8 mb you can send animations

@burnt quiver im not the best at always checking discord w/o notifications. Im happy to talk but you'll get my attention better if you tag me

[burnt quiver]

uh

not sure tbh

[timber dragon]

proceeds to not tag

[static shale]

Hello, I am a new coder and I want to program discord bots. I would appreciate tips and resources. Thank you.

[dry kelp]

Hellou

[dry kelp]

Do you have a proper TTL system?

especially since you caching them, at a high usage if it's caching onto bot's memory that's bad, especially if tons of gifs.

[dry kelp]

@timber dragon I moved that panel onto URL operations for images, they work much more smooth than uploading.

[timber dragon]

Neat

[proper slate]

It decays and then the eviction zone is the bottom of particle space. Eviction exists but everything is memmapped with OS paging and the physics state is saved so its gradual. This is a more prefetch and prebuild oriented approach. Instead of getting a LEGO brick 1 at a time, id rather get the whole set with instructions and bags and pieces organized.

Oh hold on. Let me link it

[proper slate]

#python-discussion message

https://imgur.com/a/ysn5UrL

[proper slate]

Sorry I got a little confused what I was answering because its related

[compact chasm]

Hey so I had a question but I'm not sure if it deserves a thread so I'll ask it here

[tropic kelp]

ok, go ahead

[compact chasm]

Is it possible to attach a button to an embed that when clicked brings up a modal that sends another embed with the data provided, while also having a button that's identical to the previous embed

[tropic kelp]

for a discord bot?

[compact chasm]

Yes

[tropic kelp]

iirc yes, idk how exactly you'd do that though, ask in #1035199133436354600 if you want to get a more specific answer than that though

[compact chasm]

I see alright

[fast osprey]

You don't attach buttons to embeds

Buttons can either be on the bottom of messages or in containers

[proper slate]

Yes I do that with my bot

[compact chasm]

Did you really have to correct that you know what I mean I just meant the message 😭

[proper slate]

They're right tho

[compact chasm]

Would you mind sharing 😭

[proper slate]

Buttons under

[fast osprey]

The terminology matters because those two things are accomplished in different ways

[proper slate]

I have a view with a nav bar underneath and buttons under thst. I send an embed with an animated GIF and pressing the paging button underneath edits the message to have a different animated gif. It ends up looking like a loading screen and then a blinking cursor terminal interface like fallout.

Gets around discord rate limits for animations as well. Counts as one message even though its 60 frames

Just need to stay under 8 mb

[compact chasm]

That's cool but editing isn't exactly what I was going for

[compact chasm]

So could you maybe explain the differences between them? I've only seen one yet, maybe the other one is what I actually need

[fast osprey]

Underneath messages uses the "v1" components. You can have up to 5 rows of 5 buttons each

[proper slate]

Thats what I said

Dang. Dismissive

[fast osprey]

"V2" allows you to put buttons within a message using a more flexible layout. These can use containers, which look like embeds but are very importantly distinct from them. Containers can have arbitrary text, mediagalleries, and components (like buttons)

[proper slate]

Yeah i specifically said 5 buttons.

Thats wild. Good luck

[compact chasm]

Uhhhh that sounds complicated. Can I use that for my bot though? As in use it to achieve this ^

[fast osprey]

Yes you can use either

[compact chasm]

Both?

[fast osprey]

You can't use both at the same time

[compact chasm]

No I meant as in both methods

[fast osprey]

Yeah both methods could be used to accomplish what you described

[compact chasm]

I have been just sending the view with my send_message which I'm assuming is the v1 here so I'm confused how I can use that

[fast osprey]

What have you tried and where are you stuck

[compact chasm]

So like I said I first made the modal which takes the info, then the view and the button, so now I just have no idea how to make the new embed sent by the modal have the same button to keep the chain going

[fast osprey]

It doesn't need the exact same button object

You can just send another view with a button that does whatever you want (even if that's the same thing)

[compact chasm]

...

Now that I think about it

You are absolutely right and I'm dumb as hell

I appreciate it 😭

[dry kelp]

v2 components have everything from v1

they're so fun

[dry kelp]

@fast osprey there u go, since u said it's slow, it was due to the upload method of the images inside of the containers, which im now doing thru a public github repo, using url instead.

[fast osprey]

It's by definition going to be slower than the integration panel

• user -> discord -> user
  vs
• user -> discord -> your bot -> discord -> user

[gritty inlet]

I believe the integration menu is just easier to use

[burnt quiver]

The idea/code is there, but what solstice said is true, so I think you could implement this same idea but somewhere else where it's not possible or as easy through discord

[dry kelp]

We have to be real, users still don't like discords implementation, and i doubt most know how to use automod, or do use it for common words.

[fast osprey]

the only people saying that are the people who hate change for no reason

it's a perfectly fine implementation

[dry kelp]

Yeah bro, u gotta follow the market tho man

it ain't like we can do anything about it

i ain't gonna make a public bot, with this insane structure, that only me and 2 friends use

u get me?

And i can assure people would rather use BOT'S SETTINGS rather than "discord integrations"

i've already discussed this yesterday, about interaction / prefix commands, discord been trying for years to remove prefix commands, can u guess why they won't remove them?

cause nobody finna use discord anymore, that's the truth man

[fast osprey]

...discord can't "remove" prefix commands

[dry kelp]

and neither try

[fast osprey]

they're messages. Discord isn't going to remove messages

[gritty inlet]

You don't gotta be anti innovation just because "you're following the market"

[dry kelp]

with they're "interaction commands"

[dry kelp]

It's something neither me, you, him can change.

We can't, and im not gonna sit here teaching people how to properly use discord.

in milions and milions of servers

[gritty inlet]

I will say though - many people don't know of these Discord implementations

[dry kelp]

i ain't making no info/knowledge bot

[dry kelp]

exactly

[fast osprey]

I'm taking it you're exclusively in brainrot roblox children servers who cannot understand extremely basic client functionality

[dry kelp]

Bot has it, built in, works easily.

[fast osprey]

because I do not see that behavior where I go

[gritty inlet]

But they are better than bots still

[dry kelp]

In the servers im in, AKA "coms" are huge servers, that have a whole network behind.

And people i also dev for, different custom bots.

made 400$ early month

all these servers have over 200k members

and that's my target server, not a dev server composed by 50 bots and 30 actives, sorry.

[fast osprey]

It is your decision to design for the lowest common denominator and make it worse for everyone involved

[gritty inlet]

I think bot devs should refrain from still developing these things
Don't care about old bots. But if you're making a new bot, why stick to old things

[dry kelp]

Since you think you can make this change, go ahead! Make your own bot and do this, i think you'll die before teaching all milions servers how to use discord.

But i ain't doing it.

[dry kelp]

What old things?

[gritty inlet]

Prefix commands; Doing an integration menu via the bot; Moderation bots

[dry kelp]

Containers are new, fully component setup, and whole bot will remain coded as component based.

[dry kelp]

Because people still want that man

Im remaking all of these features, also remastered, that's the key

with my own salt, if u know what i mean

[fast osprey]

Just because a person wants something that doesn't automatically mean a) it's good for them or b) you are absolved from any responsibility for providing it

incredibly small minded viewpoint

[dry kelp]

but once again, i ain't gonna make a bot to teach people how to use cord, and neither tell me this, and shit that u can make thru discord integrations, cause respectfully, idgaf 🤣

[gritty inlet]

Because these developers keep making them within bots instead of "telling" users that it's available in better form

[dry kelp]

Neither Me, neither YOU have the right to decide for them, if they want it, they use it, they dont want it, they dont use it.

[gritty inlet]

💀

[west escarp]

!mute 404264989147529217

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: applied timeout to @dry kelp until <t:1761422958:f> (1 hour).

[fast osprey]

was waiting for the personal attack to come out

[west escarp]

!unmute 404264989147529217

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @dry kelp.

[west escarp]

No personal attacks, thanks.

[west escarp]

This isn't much better

There are good reasons to use either application commands or text parsing

No need to flamewar over it

[dry kelp]

Respectfully, when people think they can make a change over million guilds, it's just nah, my apologies for acting as so, but i don't feel bad over it.

[fast osprey]

They have a history of personally attacking me

if you want to look through their message history

[dry kelp]

Because your points are always so out of context, and it gets tiring explaining over and over, which guides me into thinking that.

[west escarp]

Then don't engage with them

[fast osprey]

They do it in response to my answers to other people

[west escarp]

Okay, I'll be more explicit

@dry kelp please stop engaging with someone who clearly doesn't want to engage with you

[dry kelp]

I've never done anything to anyone else, besides of you once points were in total out of context.

[west escarp]

@fast osprey just because someone's not behaving well doesn't give you an excuse to do the same

Ping mods instead

[dry kelp]

You need to verify this information, please read chat history within these days.

You'll understand.

[fast osprey]

I fully recognize that, and I have endeavored to be cordial minus the one out-of-pocket comment you called out

[west escarp]

.

[fast osprey]

which I apologize for

[west escarp]

Alright. This wasn't particularly bad so all I expect is change moving forwards

[fast osprey]

[west escarp]

Many people have axes to grind. If it's getting really problematic, then staff can have an extended conversation about expectations. You should contact modmail about this, in my opinion, it's not something I alone am going to have input on

[dry kelp]

I genuely tried understanding his points, but they were always so out of context and clearly most of them against me, which gets tiring.

[west escarp]

Consider it a competition on providing clear help. People will gravitate to helpful, easy to grasp answers. We don't limit problems to one answer or one interaction

Provide your point, and if they don't bite, they don't bite

[dry kelp]

@west escarp I never wanted to engage with this person, till the moment happened 2 days ago, randomly commenting of my code, poiniting it as being "bad" saying that there are no "reasons" why i should modify python pkgutil, which i proved him a reason of why we're doing this.

All visible reading chat history of this channel.

[west escarp]

Yes, and frankly that's just another instance of todays behavior. Neither of you look good there. "just let rottens rot" isn't something that would catch grace, and neither is "it's not a good reason I'm sure"

Both of you are overly abrasive and aggressive

[dry kelp]

That’s absolutely true, not saying that what i said its alright, but it was all after these replies coming from this person.

Which clearly wanted to engage with me, having 0 experience in the topic related.

[west escarp]

Then I expect both of you to cease needling the other, and if it resumes then I will start escalating

[gritty inlet]

Just acknowledge, now assuming they have no experience isn't a good thing to do

Anyway yurp have a good day

[dry kelp]

Thank you.

[fast osprey]

I would prefer to interact cordially, which involves not having my experience underminded or having slurs thrown at me

barring that I'm fine not interacting at all and people can choose which answers they prefer

[dry kelp]

There clearly was a lack of experience, since i was able to prove him wrong in that context.

Its not meant to be rude, its just that our brain is not AI, and we cant access that much data at once :)

[fast osprey]

and you are doubling down on undermining my experience

[dry kelp]

He shouldnt of had engaged saying what im doing is terrible from a docstring inside of an image. But i will respect the moderator decision, and fully ignore this person since its just not worth my time.

I already proved my points :)

[leaden helm]

does anyone know any service that solves hcaptcha? it seems like 2captcha or solvecaptcha.com no longer supports it

[gleaming inlet]

!rule illegal to help bypass captchas

[unkempt canyon]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[dry kelp]

This channel is so dead

[timber dragon]

Good

[vocal plover]

It's not really supposed to be an active community channel, it's here mostly for getting help with Discord bots, and sometimes people don't need help.

[proper slate]

^^

[faint basin]

@commands.has_permissions(ban_members=True)
@commands.bot_has_permissions(ban_members=True)
async def ban (ctx, member: discord.Member, *, reason: str = ": Not specified "):
    try:
        if member.guild_permissions.administrator:
            a = discord.Embed(description="User has administrator permissions. ", color=0x0001)
            await ctx.send(embed=a)
        else:
                a1 = discord.Embed(description=f"**{member}** was banned by **{ctx.author}**!", color=0x0001)
                a1.add_field(name="Reason: ", value=reason, inline=False)
                a1.set_footer(text=f"ID: {member.id} : ")
                try:
                    await member.send(f"You were banned by {ctx.author} from **{ctx.guild.name}**!", embed=a1)
                except:
                    pass
                
        await member.ban(reason=reason)
        await ctx.send(embed=a1)
    except Exception as e:
        await ctx.send(f"An error occured: {e} ") ```

rate my code

[woeful hill]

Worse than built in

[burnt quiver]

No role hierarchy check 😔

[faint basin]

😅

[faint basin]

@commands.has_permissions(ban_members=True)
@commands.bot_has_permissions(ban_members=True)
async def ban (ctx, member: discord.Member, *, reason: str = ": Not specified"):
    try:
            if member.top_role >= ctx.guild.me.top_role:
                await ctx.send("An error occurred while trying to ban the user. Make sure my role is above the role of the user you want to ban.")
                return
                
            elif member == ctx.guild.owner:
                await ctx.send("you cannot ban the server owner!")
                return
        
            elif member == ctx.author:
                await ctx.send("you cannot ban yourself! ")
                return
            
            elif ctx.author.top_role <= member.top_role:
                await ctx.send("you cannot ban someone with a higher or equal role!")
                return
            
            elif member.guild_permissions.administrator:
                a = discord.Embed(description="User has administrator permissions.", color=0x0001)
                await ctx.send(embed=a)
                return
                
            else:
                a1 = discord.Embed(description=f"**{member}** was banned by **{ctx.author}**!", color=0x0001)
                a1.add_field(name="Reason: ", value=reason, inline=True)
                a1.set_footer(text=f"ID: {member.id} : ")
                try:
                    await member.send(f"You were banned by {ctx.author} from **{ctx.guild.name}**!", embed=a1)
                except:
                    pass
                
                await member.ban(reason=reason)
                await ctx.send(embed=a1)
    
    except Exception as e:
        await ctx.send(f"An error occurred: {e} ") ```

[faint basin]

is my code good?

[woeful hill]

^

[faint basin]

how can I improve it

[woeful hill]

By using the built in system

[faint basin]

ok

🏝️

[timber dragon]

Why is everything wrapped into a try-except

Why are you checking for admin perms specifically

The role check takes care of that

[finite salmon]

guess they're aware of it now https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1432278129421848708

[faint basin]

yes

[dry kelp]

it happens cause some people with no experience think AI is giving accurate answers.

With no experience they cant make a good prompt

[dry kelp]

may i ask, why are you giving your variables names as “a” “a1”

[faint basin]

idk

[dry kelp]

How are you doing something you dont know

[faint basin]

we can name variables anything we want

[dry kelp]

then why dont we all name our variables pickle1 = 1

pickle2 = 2

[faint basin]

i couldn't think of a name so named it a,a1

[dry kelp]

its not wrong, but when you code you expect common sense

[faint basin]

😅

[dry kelp]

you are building an embed, just call it embed =

i think thats what most people do

[faint basin]

yes

[dry kelp]

But i can also see lies, and because AI doesn’t inform you properly, that variable is assigned under a function, you can assign same variable under a different function.

And i do believe you tough u needed different variable names everywhere into your file

[faint basin]

o

[dry kelp]

I can also see you are building prefix commands, most people modify the baseclass of bot using a updated ctx

building ctx.error / warning / approve

[faint basin]

ty twin i didn't coded that much like I saw a yt video and tried making a bot

[dry kelp]

already built in embeds

you might wanna try doing that

[faint basin]

alr

[dry kelp]

so u only create in your code the final response embed

and that administrator check can be counted as a validation, just by checking if target has administrator permission

[finite salmon]

Why would you need admin perm to ban

[fast osprey]

This is the correct answer, developer implemented versions bypass 2fa checks and are just less secure for no value

[finite salmon]

Real

[dry kelp]

I think he's trying to prevent admins from getting banned, not that permission needed to ban.

[finite salmon]

Generally speaking, that's a bad idea, or at the very least useless

[dry kelp]

That's his code, not mine 🤷‍♂️

Maybe he's building a private bot, and not a public bot.

And he wants to prevent admins from being banned thru bot, that's his choice.

[faint basin]

i wanna make a public bot

where can I learn this all

[dry kelp]

Oh man... firstly, i suggest you digging into learning python features.

[faint basin]

yes

[dry kelp]

Then learning how to properly setup your workshop.

Then you wanna look into different packages for your settings, i recommend Dynaconf

Then you wanna learn how to setup poetry, which is an amazing tool, loads all packages inside of a venv directly.

Can also hold different typing rules...

[faint basin]

oh

[dry kelp]

Then you wanna learn how to use docker, which is a most common tool across developers

[finite salmon]

uv on top tho

[dry kelp]

Then you wanna dig into how to establish a connection with database (avoid using raw SQL), use a ORM (sqlalchemy)

Avoid using files such as config.py or any .json files for bot's settings, focus on using .toml files for settings, and an actual proper .env for configuration, e.g bot token, database credentials etc.

Once you have knowledge in those, your workshop will eventually look better.

[faint basin]

oh

tysm for the advice

[dry kelp]

No problem man, there are also other packages you could use, im just saying these because it's what i work with, and they're absolutely amazing.

[fast osprey]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with raw sql

And in fact it can be more performant than ORMs in many cases

[dry kelp]

Didn't that admin say to stop engaging with me? Perhaps i never said it's bad, i said avoid, since they're a begginer, it has a better performance than ORM, but imagine besides all mentioned above, he starts learning sql too, something that can be avoided.

[fast osprey]

Not engaging you doesn't mean you get to express an opinion in response to someone else first and I am forced to let misleading statements stand. This isn't a race to comment

[dry kelp]

Bro i swear to god, ill start again, and i wont feel bad

[dry kelp]

tell me what the fuck operation could require such a critical speed that a orm wouldnt do?

in a fucking discord bot

[fast osprey]

I gave my opinion and you gave yours, they can make their decision and that's it

[dry kelp]

tell me

validate your point

he is building a discord bot not a fucking nasa rocket

[finite salmon]

orms can get inefficient when building long series of statements, at that point it's better to use raw sql instead

[dry kelp]

Before you trying to engage a conversation with me, look at the messages said, keyword "Avoid using raw SQL", you acted like i said raw sql is bad, when orms will do just fine, even when his bot is in 100k guilds, that traffic will still be handled.

[dry kelp]

Ace's bot will not be dyno bot sized upon release.

Using an ORM is just fine for learning, and understanding code logic.

[dry kelp]

^^

[woeful hill]

Read the last line

[dry kelp]

That is google btw

brave more specifically, cause i hate ads 😂

[woeful hill]

And do you read, not like there are no opinions and everyone agree to something one sided

[dry kelp]

https://medium.com/@ritika.adequate/the-pros-and-cons-of-using-raw-sql-versus-orm-for-database-development-e9edde7ee31e

[dry kelp]

huh?

Are you even reading what i've told the man? Or you genuely blind, i can understand it from solstice, but you?

[dry kelp]

^

[woeful hill]

So i cant have my opinion on things

[dry kelp]

You can, but he was engaging with me, we all know ORM will work better for a beginner 🤷‍♂️

And performance comment is true, but uneccesary, since it will handle traffic over 100k guilds.

and to achieve 100k guilds up-to-day you need some crazy shit to be able to compete with current market 🤷‍♂️

[woeful hill]

Then let the man decide, there are no downside of trying viable approach

[dry kelp]

You think a beginner would prefer:

"""
RAW SQL equivalent:

    SELECT id, username, age
    FROM users
    WHERE age > 18;
"""

rather than

adult_users = session.query(User).filter(User.age > 18).all()

[woeful hill]

Yes

[dry kelp]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

you funny

[woeful hill]

I havent learned to use orm once in my life

I started by making raw sql and it just more fascinating to see how each keyword works

[dry kelp]

Then you cannot even engage in this conversation, if you don't have experience in both.

Since you're trying to evaluate 2 things, while only having experience in 1, it doesn't work like that.

[woeful hill]

you are not a president so you cant vote for president

[dry kelp]

To make an evaluation you must know both arguments cons / pros.

That's the truth, how would you compare 2 arguments while having experience in 1, do you even think?

Ohhh, i get it, you're like these AI rats, that all they're information comes from AI!

Trying to compare something you have 0 experience in, thats just crazy

😂😂😂😂

[woeful hill]

Have i used any comparision about sql and orm

[dry kelp]

try an orm your own, then we can resume this discussion , until then i wish you best luck into your things

[woeful hill]

🤔 because i think not

[dry kelp]

You are trying to point out why raw sql is better, since you have no personal experience into orm, you just cant.

Once you can validate your own points, based on your own experience, thats when we will resume this topic.

[woeful hill]

Where is the part that i point out it is better

I said they are "viable" approaches

[dry kelp]

its not my business to buy you glasses to see your messages and ours in order to understand this topic discussion.

[burnt quiver]

^^

[proper slate]

Can someone please respectfully explain the debate going on here to me?

[burnt quiver]

Kinda Raw SQL vs ORM ig

[gritty inlet]

I preferred an ORM solely because I find it easier to use objects and functions in a traditional Python way

[scarlet tiger]

Hmmmm, I have experience with both, and honestly, I prefer and recommend using SQL (without an ORM).

[scarlet tiger]

Yes, I agree.

[dry kelp]

Could you please define why you prefer and recommend raw sql? to a beginner that was struggling to create a ban command, if the reason is operations related, provide a source of information.

[dry kelp]

Thank you, this is why i told a beginner to relay on ORM

[burnt quiver]

Yes that makes sense 100%, but you told them to avoid using raw SQL, which might make them think it's bad which it isn't

so the wording here might have caused this confusion and all

[dry kelp]

Avoid doesn't mean it's bad, it's just so they would focus on an ORM usage for now, since it might suit them a lot better.

[burnt quiver]

i meaaannn

when someone tells me to avoid doing something, I would have a mindset that it's bad, but ig it's subjective

[scarlet tiger]

I prefer raw SQL because it gives full control and helps you truly understand how databases work, for beginners, it’s better to learn SQL first before touching an ORM.... ORMs hide too much and can cause bad habits

I recommend this page to learn: https://sqlbolt.com/

[burnt quiver]

im not gonna play this word definition thingy, i just said to me it seems like something is bad if someone tells u to avoid it, and i already said it's subjective

[dry kelp]

Welp, when i use a word it means because i know the definition behind of it, you don't think so?

[fast osprey]

They're just looking to argue. The person who asked hasn't even weighed in

[gritty inlet]

Personally I'd say "I recommend using y" instead of "avoid using x"

[dry kelp]

This is misleading, and false, you said raw sql gives you "full control", You said you had your own experience into orm, didn't you? I suggest you checking mature ORMs, such as SQLalchemy, Prisma.

Partially right there

[gritty inlet]

ORMs isn't what you should be looking for if you want to truly understand how databases work, yes

[dry kelp]

But full control logic is out of context.

[dry kelp]

Do not rely on AI for your answers, you didn't have to say you have "experience", it's fine if you dont, but don't be misleading, cause that is false.

@scarlet tiger

https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/20/core/engines.html

[scarlet tiger]

For a beginner, starting with an ORM isn’t really recommended — they should learn SQL first. That was my point, ORMs are great (as long as you understand how SQL works), but as I said before, for someone still learning SQL... they’re not really recommended yet...
Using an ORM or not is personal, but if you want to really help new developers, don’t just give them the “easy path.”

[dry kelp]

I was reading this unless i realized it's AI

[gritty inlet]

I don't exactly get that point; Would you also say it's better to first do raw http requests with the Discord API before using a library?
Maybe I'm wrong but Idk much about databases, so I can't tell what are the cons of not learning raw sql first

[scarlet tiger]

I speak Spanish, and when I write in English I sound like it because I respect spelling very well, sorry if my English is still bad

[dry kelp]

This guy is clearly using AI for his responses, and makes absolutely 0 sense, for when he brought up the "full control" thingy, which is also possible with mature ORMs

[fast osprey]

You're writing well they're just trying to undermine you

[dry kelp]

only AI could spew bullshit like that

[gritty inlet]

Eh

[proper slate]

I speak Spanish and your writing in English is better than my writing in Spanish.

[dry kelp]

What is well?

[dry kelp]

have you read this?

[burnt quiver]

there's things like having to keep up with the API, and the API can be quite abstract

so using a lib can be easier

[dry kelp]

"it gives full control" Something ANY mature ORM does already, Prisma, SQLalchemy

i don't want to engage with people that use AI for they're responses.

[proper slate]

Yes. I have. Which is why i am disagreeing with you. Have you read it? Because you can. Now you write something in Spanish we all can read please

[scarlet tiger]

Sometimes I have to use the translator because I forgot some words lol

[dry kelp]

What you disagree with? I've said ORM can still give you full control something he said they DO NOT

[gritty inlet]

That's my opinion about wrappers in general, wouldn't an ORM be considered a wrapper

[burnt quiver]

i mean yeah? but because you're not 'wrapping' the same thing, you can't really compare it like that

[dry kelp]

I've also sent my documentation source.

[burnt quiver]

not*

[gritty inlet]

Yeah hey I'm not calling anything "better", sorry if it sounds like that

[burnt quiver]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866044404334329856/942874174697914398/935221080094826577.gif

[proper slate]

Im gonna leave i dont like getting heated and sormtimes i misunderstand. Your English is good man @scarlet tiger

[gritty inlet]

Have a good one

[proper slate]

Keep it up

[dry kelp]

@gritty inlet You doing good, some people think discord bots are nasa rockets, and they want operations to fly out like pigs.

[gritty inlet]

Don't take me under your wing though

Anyway meh each person should use what they prefer

[scarlet tiger]

Seriously, should someone just learning use an ORM without understanding SQL directly? That was my point.

[dry kelp]

Absolutely, beginners should relay on ORMs.

You have 0 experience from the moment you said that bullshit with ai

[scarlet tiger]

Lol

[dry kelp]

this response, it's fully AI

"RAW SQL GIVES YOU FULL CONTROL"

something ANY mature ORM does already

[scarlet tiger]

Thank you! Your English is also very good.

[velvet compass]

@dry kelp if you cannot engage politely, do not engage. We expect people to help others without putting them down or assuming things about them.

Also, for ORMs, #databases is likely a more appropriate channel

[dry kelp]

I can't engage with people that are misleading and use AI for help.

[velvet compass]

Good, then the conversation can stop

[dry kelp]

i replied to his response, which makes 0 sense.

[velvet compass]

You did so in a way that does not adhere to the #code-of-conduct .

[dry kelp]

It's tiring repeating same thing 100 times

[scarlet tiger]

Hmmmm try writing in Spanish and I assure you I will say the same thing

[tight obsidian]

let's drop it please

[dry kelp]

???

dude what? are you saying???

[tight obsidian]

(if anyone wants to politely discuss the tradeoffs involved in using or not using an ORM, let's move to #databases)

[dry kelp]

@scarlet tiger Stop misleading people, mature ORMs will give you full control same as Raw SQL, e.g SQLalchemy, Prisma.

[vocal plover]

My advice, genuinely you'll be much happier if you take time to realise that you don't need to take on the world and get involved with every conversation you disagree with. Sometimes people have vastly different views on how stuff should work, you're welcome to give input on ways you think would also work, but 9 times out of 10 in a space like this it doesn't benefit anyone to start arguing about them. People will figure out things over time, and if someone is giving really bad advice you can always take to @novel apex and the mods will figure it out, they're more likely to be listened to and don't have a personal attachment so they're not going to be making anyone upset

[dry kelp]

@vocal plover read that, and tell me if that ain't something AI would say 🤣

[scarlet tiger]

I'm still learning English and writing with proper spelling (as my teacher taught me), so am I an AI? Help.

[dry kelp]

And he thinks this is english related, oh my god

[vocal plover]

I don't care if it's AI and I don't want to debate you nor anyone else on this, I want to say that if you drop it in cases like this you'll be happier, as will everyone else involved

[tight obsidian]

!mute @dry kelp You were told multiple times to drop this behaviour

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: applied timeout to @dry kelp until <t:1761578899:f> (1 hour).

[compact chasm]

Okay so quick question how can I actually handle errors in a modal?

I tried using a good old try... except but that doesn't return anything while the modal still says "Something went wrong".

[timber dragon]

you need to actually respond to the interaction

but errors raised in the callback should be handled by overriding the on_error method in the class

[compact chasm]

OH wait that might be my mistake actually

[compact chasm]

Okay okay got it thanks a lot

So I'm a little confused about the syntax of Modal.on_error. How do I implement that 😭?

[fast osprey]

You'd implement the on_error method within your modal class. It accepts (self, interaction, error)

[compact chasm]

I opted not to make modals with the class because when I did that it just didn't work

I mean with the class as in you know class modal(yada yada)

[fast osprey]

You should, that's the recommended way

It's not that bad and I'm sure the troubles you were having can be pretty quickly resolved

[compact chasm]

I mean of course they can be resolved but like I just DON'T understand classes

Which leads to more problems elsewhere

[fast osprey]

That's something I'd strongly recommend you target given you are using an object oriented library in an object oriented language

[compact chasm]

😭

Hard to argue with that

[fast osprey]

Without the use of classes you'll find you have much worse problems with variable scoping and the like

[stark ingot]

I watched this a couple years ago but it was pretty good when I did.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTsqhIuOqKhwlXsIBIdSeYtc

[compact chasm]

Oh aigh aigh thank you

[toxic notch]

how do i install discord.py in visual studio code? i already have python i only need the library

[fast osprey]

You install libraries into your python installation (or virtual environment) not vsc. The simplest way is to use your command line with <your python exe> -m pip install discord.py

On windows that should ideally be the py launcher

[toxic notch]

on command promt rigth?

[gritty inlet]

pip install discord.py

Hey why the skull

[toxic notch]

im new to windows and vs code

i mostly code on my phone using google collabs

[gritty inlet]

What I'd do is add Python to PATH; Add Python to system variables; Then you can just do pip install x

[toxic notch]

how do u add py in sys?

[gritty inlet]

Do the whole command at once, e.g. python3.14 -m pip install discord.py or whatever

[gritty inlet]

First step is go here

(Click on Path -> Click on edit)

[toxic notch]

can i share my screen?

[gritty inlet]

Then you're gonna want to make a New -> and add these 2:

1. Your Python folder path, e.g. C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python314\
2. Your Python scripts path, e.g. C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python314\Scripts\

[gritty inlet]

You might but it's simple, just search "environment variables" on your settings search

Btw all of this is considering you're not using a VENV. Cuz I got no idea how to manage Python in a Windows VENV.

Anyway for further help I'd suggest visiting #1035199133436354600

[fast osprey]

This becomes an issue especially on windows when you have multiple versions of python installed, which is why using py is recommended

[gritty inlet]

Eh I made 314 use the main while the rest use their full name. Works fine

[fast osprey]

Or could just use py which was exactly created for this purpose to reduce confusion

[gritty inlet]

Whatever the user finds convenient. I'm just used to using the main name so I made it accordingly

[toxic notch]

yeah my laptop cooked

[dry kelp]

poetry tool

[gritty inlet]

I only use a VENV on my RPI

[dry kelp]

creates the venv for them, they can also mention desired python version.

@toxic notch look into poetry tool for python

and then in your IDE just select to use the venv created, which should appear as recommended

[gritty inlet]

I doubt they should mess around with allat before knowing how to even install it

Not to mention all commands including VENV ones are very simple, dunno why you need a helper.
But hey I never tried it so what do I know. Just sharing my point of view.

[dry kelp]

actually

its easier than installing all deps manually 😂😂

and you can js set whatever python version u want

so i would say this is apart on how to setup workshop properly, thats something they could do

[gritty inlet]

I doubt it's much more than little help.

But hey I never tried it so what do I know. Just sharing my point of view.

[dry kelp]

@toxic notch look into poetry, will save your workshop

no debs will be installed locally on your computer, its all venv

so they wont conflict across projects

[gritty inlet]

Considering that's what they want..

I use a VENV on my RPI because I'm pretty much forced to

[dry kelp]

look how pretty it even is

[gritty inlet]

Overwork in its prime

[dry kelp]

How is it overwork tho?

[toxic notch]

I use vs code

[dry kelp]

it's so much easier

[gritty inlet]

xD

[dry kelp]

the overwork was the ruling part of the project, which is half visible

[fast osprey]

Venvs and dependency managers are well and good, they're not required though and folks should probably understand what they are and make an informed decision

[toxic notch]

Ama continue tmr

[gritty inlet]

This whole mix of docker, toml, yaml

[dry kelp]

https://python-poetry.org/docs/pyproject/ @toxic notch Save this, this is your start.

[gritty inlet]

etcetc

[dry kelp]

absolutely

the overwork is worth it, cause i know my shit runs smooth as fuck

[gritty inlet]

Most projects don't need that for a fact. But if you find it helpful then go ahead

[dry kelp]

bot is not chunked either, has my own TTL cache logic, which goes to redis cluster and pulled from redis

i can't rely on library chunking due to milion users, it would take bot minutes to connect after a restart

[gritty inlet]

So don't chunk at all

[dry kelp]

i am not chunking

[gritty inlet]

Exactly

[dry kelp]

i did mention, i have my own TTL

[gritty inlet]

Whatever makes yer happy

[dry kelp]

it makes me absolutely happy

[gritty inlet]

Holy moly I had to turn my strict typechecker off

[gritty inlet]

Just opened a file and I got flashed with red

xD

[dry kelp]

__slots__ is also an amazing python feature

[gritty inlet]

I'll prob only turn strict on when I'm working on an actual lib, it's just annoying when doing personal code

[burnt quiver]

fr

[dry kelp]

my ruling is so strict

but 0 warnings looks hot for me

[gritty inlet]

Like mind you why do I need to import typing for a few functions xd

I have 0 warnings on standard type checker

[dry kelp]

i use ruff

pylance too

[gritty inlet]

This block turned out to work very well

That's how it be when you're too lazy to migrate some buttons to a better system

[dry kelp]

💀

[gritty inlet]

ikr

(ill keep that)

shortest file i got lol

[dry kelp]

💀

[gritty inlet]

Ok THATS overwork brudda

[gritty inlet]

(:

In my personal codes I don't be putting effort into typing and docs.. But I cant shame those who do

[dry kelp]

💀

[gritty inlet]

brah

[dry kelp]

[gritty inlet]

Cmon Discord I know you can document these already..........

But this is the dumbest shit I've seen so far

Like ok? Dont add it then xd

[gritty inlet]

But I can already add them to my library since it's 99% guaranteed that it's just a normal entitlement object without additions.

For example these 3 events are all the same payload xD

But then here it's different. Consistency doesn't exist in this stuff

[dry kelp]

can't lie, entitlements are so ass to manage

[gritty inlet]

glad i dont gotta do that

[dry kelp]

but yeh man, dont think the shit i do is overwork, is what i need since i cannot handle milions of users thru library chunking.

[gritty inlet]

Millions?

[dry kelp]

Yes

[stark ingot]

There is a PR
Unoffical and unmerged of course but it exists: https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/pull/7919

[dry kelp]

they are an absolute pain man

[gritty inlet]

"Spooky" you say?

[dry kelp]

very spooky !

We've discontinued 3 months back, coming with a new v2 version much more improved.

lost only 20 guilds meanwhile, people have faith in spookylito

but what we building cannot be done overnight, takes time

[dry kelp]

Did you ping me?

[gritty inlet]

O yea
When you say millions, sure you don't mean something as "bot.users"? Which doesn't really count

[compact chasm]

💀

[dry kelp]

If you are familiar with what happens when a bot is chunked.

It sends you all guilds and users data (to keep this short i said data), Doesn't matter if users interacted or not with the bot.

[gritty inlet]

Yeah you can't realy count that as your user base xD

[dry kelp]

Once you stop chunking, you receive NOTHING, you need to make your OWN fetch operations.

[gritty inlet]

I know

[dry kelp]

Dude, all that gets sent towards bot if chunked, which is BAD at milions users

doesn't matter if they interacted or NOT

It's still data your bot receives towards library, and yes there are milion users across all guilds spooky is in, reason why you see my "overwork"

[gritty inlet]

Exactly why you'd usually not need to chunk

[dry kelp]

reason why SPOOKY is NOT chunked

When you chunk such a huge amount, your bot can so long to start up.

It's bad practice to have all that across bot's memory

[gritty inlet]

And no, high amount of users that a bot can "see" doesn't mean much, sorry

[dry kelp]

imagine your bot's memory, receiving all that load of cache

[gritty inlet]

It's about who interacts

[dry kelp]

???

[gritty inlet]

It only does if you chunk them

[dry kelp]

Dude are you, braindead?

When you chunk, you receive all users and guidls data

[gritty inlet]

Why would it matter if you don't chunk or cache them

[dry kelp]

BECAUSE we DONT cache them on fucking bot's memory

[gritty inlet]

But you said you don't chunk

[dry kelp]

BECAUSE we DONT cache them on fucking bot's memory

And there is a TTL to hold a MAXIMUM amount

[gritty inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-25595978

[dry kelp]

which we limited to 5000

and it doesn't go to bot's memory, it uses REDIS

so bot's memory will always be low

[gritty inlet]

Eh yeah the memory of the bot's process specifically

[dry kelp]

not fucking chunking milion users across guilds, since it chunks people that NEVER interacted with bot, holy

[gritty inlet]

-_-

You don't got to keep calling people that word

[dry kelp]

Cause you're talking information you have 0 clue of

Chunking WILL get onto your bots memory all users and guilds

https://redis.io/

all my memory goes to redis, and NOT bot's memory

[celest pelican]

!tempban 404264989147529217 1d Take a break. If you return, re-read our #code-of-conduct thoroughly before.

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @dry kelp until <t:1761677078:f> (1 day).

[gritty inlet]

Not cheering on one's downfall but yeah no need to repeat such word again and again

You can't make me look dumb and only at the end explain what kind of cache it is...

[proper slate]

Yikes.

I was going to talk about MY cache system

Ill be civil I promise if anyone wants to talk

[gritty inlet]

All good vro

[proper slate]

Does anyone use like. A theme across their content?

Like I studied physics

[gritty inlet]

Ngl I just let my library handle the cache

[proper slate]

Everything i do is pretty physics related

I made an emergent lesrning cache system and so far its buggy a little but has promising data

Using particle physics to model access patterns

[gritty inlet]

You lost me there

[proper slate]

Uh. Its like. Here's an analogy.

Most systems grab one piece at a time and have it delivered.

I use physics forces to act like access patterns. Different patterns apply different forces and related content clusters.

Instead of ordering and waiting, I drive to the store, find what I want, and grab the box, all its pieces, the instructions, and a couple other boxes that were buy 1 get one free. Then I go home. I do extra work.

But everyone else waits for pieces

I have like 3 open boxes with the instructions.

[gritty inlet]

[proper slate]

Its like a box of LEGO

Grab everything at once so you dont have to go back

[compact chasm]

I'm lurking in chat trying to see if I'll hear anything interesting until I realized I don't understand a single thing being said 🗣️

[gritty inlet]

Real talk

[proper slate]

Ok. Its like. Caches are little particles. They are hot or cold and time cools them down. Stuff being dependent makes it cluster together and accessing something heats it up. Over time related stuff clusters because it gets hot and the interactions get stronger. So it like. Learns by just literally making an entry hotter and seeing what happens

They end up grouping by stuff being accessed together. Then when you grab the group, everything is related

[gritty inlet]

Very useful thing I made 🥀

Jokes ofc

[proper slate]

Hahaha. Cool color

[gritty inlet]

Ngl it's just hard to make non useless stuff

[compact chasm]

Most true thing I've heard here

First both I made just pulled from a list of random insults I liked and called someone a random insult

[proper slate]

I just make what I need and build it from what I know. I know physics so even caches end up as metadata particles 🙄

[gritty inlet]

But I got one bot with like 50 completely random commands xDD

This one's fun tho

Prototype that I never did anything with

Was cool to make

[velvet compass]

!unmute 865986856268333056

[unkempt canyon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @shy talon.

[velvet compass]

Hey, you can't send that many emojis. Maybe a screenshot would be fine

[shy talon]

ok, thanks. sorry, i did not know that

hi, i'm trying to make a minesweeper game(just send a 10x10 grid of emojis 1️⃣ - 8️⃣, each behind a spoiler). The generated grid looks like this:

||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:bomb:||||:bomb:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:two:||||:two:||||:one:||
||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:two:||||:two:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:bomb:||||:bomb:||||:one:||
||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:two:||||:two:||||:one:||
||:bomb:||||:one:||||:one:||||:bomb:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||
||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:two:||||:two:||||:two:||
||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:bomb:||||:two:||||:bomb:||||:bomb:||
||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:one:||||:one:||||:two:||||:two:||||:two:||
||:one:||||:bomb:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||
||:one:||||:one:||||:one:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||
||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||||:blue_square:||

I have checked, this is 10x10, even the last line, however for some reason, discord only shows 9 squares on the last line

this is how it looks for me. i asked a friend too, it is the same for them

oh, it's even worse for 15x10. it instead shows 15x7, with 6 squares missing on the last row. does anybody know what causes this and how to fix it?

[proper slate]

Are you accounting for borders or page breaks? Are you using visual width vs len() and keeping track of both?

[proper slate]

This is for emojis right? Most emojis are 2 cells visually but one character in code.

Wcwidth handles visual width really well

[shy talon]

i am generating them exactly as in the codeblock, with the :emojiname: . even when sending it manually, it does not work.

it also can't be that a row is too wide, because the emojis are missing entirely

import random

emojis = {
    0: "||:blue_square:||",
    1: "||:one:||",
    2: "||:two:||",
    3: "||:three:||",
    4: "||:four:||",
    5: "||:five:||",
    6: "||:six:||",
    7: "||:seven:||",
    8: "||:eight:||",
    "bomb": "||:bomb:||",
}



def gen_grid(width, height, mines):
    if mines >= width * height:
        raise ValueError("too many mines!")
    grid = [False] * (width * height)
    mine_positions = random.sample(range(width * height), k=mines)
    for mine in mine_positions:
        grid[mine] = True
    res = []
    for y in range(height):
        for x in range(width):
            if grid[x + width * y] == True:
                res.append(emojis["bomb"])
            else:
                surrounding = 0
                for mx in range(x - 1, x + 2):
                    for my in range(y - 1, y + 2):
                        if (
                            (mx < 0 or my < 0)
                            or (mx >= width or my >= height)
                            or (mx == x and my == y)
                        ):
                            continue
                        if grid[mx + my * width] == True:
                            surrounding += 1
                res.append(emojis[surrounding])
        res.append("\n")

    return "".join(res)

this is my current prototype to generate the game

[proper slate]

Do you have the emoji font?

[shy talon]

? what emoji font?

[gritty inlet]

Suggestion: Use the emoji unicode and not the Discord format

But also, what's the point of this if you can just cheat by clicking on the spoilers xD
Feels like playing TicTacToe against yourself

[shy talon]

that also doesn't help

[gritty inlet]

No I'm just saying. Never said it'll solve anything.

[shy talon]

well, i would enjoy it, and i know some others too. if you are just gonna cheat, why play in the first place

[gritty inlet]

You're right 😄

[proper slate]

Most fonts need an emoji font installed too.

[shy talon]

I'm pretty sure the problem isn't fonts. it also happens when i use normal digits and X for bombs like this:

||`X`||||`2`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||
||`X`||||`2`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||
||`2`||||`2`||||`1`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||
||`2`||||`X`||||`2`||||`1`||||`1`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||
||`X`||||`2`||||`3`||||`X`||||`2`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`1`||
||`1`||||`1`||||`2`||||`X`||||`3`||||`1`||||`1`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`2`||||`X`||
||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`1`||||`2`||||`X`||||`1`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`2`||||`X`||
||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`1`||||`1`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`1`||||`2`||||`1`||
||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`X`||||`1`||||`0`||
||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`0`||||`1`||||`1`||||`1`||||`0`||

[solar venture]

hi guys who

[faint basin]

hi

[solar venture]

hello

[faint basin]

me

yes

[solar venture]

Thank you, Ace, for joining us.

[burnt quiver]

this isn't really the place

no

[quick gust]

You're essentially just advertising

[solar venture]

ist not allowed in rules?

if its not allowed i will delete all messages about it

[celest pelican]

Please do. Advertising is indeed not allowed.

[solar venture]

ok

[solar venture]

ok 🫡 i deleted messages

[proper slate]

Has anyone tried animation?

[gritty inlet]

As in?

[stark ingot]

I know in the past discord has had issues with messages with a lot of spoilers. I think the markdown parser just gives up after a while. If you remove the spoilers do you get the correct message?

[gritty inlet]

discord.py; interaction_check.
I want to have a check that if false, respond to user with x.
I currently do that in my check, implemented in the item's interaction_check:
I am also wondering why would it be a problem to respond in the check, not library wise but why does it fail sometimes? Unless the failure is something else

async def is_original_user(interaction: discord.Interaction) -> bool:
    if interaction.message and interaction.message.interaction_metadata:
        if interaction.user.id != interaction.message.interaction_metadata.user.id:
            await interaction.response.send_message(f"This belongs to <@{interaction.message.interaction_metadata.user.id}>.", ephemeral=True)
            return False
    return True```
Today there was a time where I clicked someone else's button and the interaction just failed to respond. I can't figure out what caused it to fail, there was no exception raised anywhere either (at least I don't see one in my logs)
I restarted the bot and tried again and it responded.

Is this purely a latency thing 😭

[proper slate]

For a discord bot. Have you tried animating one?

Its 100% possible

[gritty inlet]

[proper slate]

I was just wondering if anyone else had tried?

[gritty inlet]

Idk what u mean by animating a dbot

[proper slate]

Like giving responses custom animations. Instead of using embeds, use animations in the embed

I know there is sprite swapping already but thats a low frame rate

[gritty inlet]

One can not understand this is what you meant from your first messages 😭

[proper slate]

Sorry. Not my intent

I render GIFs on demand and that deals with the FPS/rate limits problem

[fast osprey]

Not sure what other answer you're expecting. Discord is a message service, it's not youtube

You can upload a gif or a video or link to a host that has either

[next mirage]

hi guys

how do i start?

with making these dc bots ??????????????????

[fast osprey]

Learn a programming language, find a discord library for that language, follow that library's official getting started guide

[timber dragon]

Can I do -1 instead

[proper slate]

Im asking if other people have tried

[fast osprey]

Tried sending gifs or videos? Yes

[gritty inlet]

Yeah I think you need to rephrase all of this because you're talking about simply "sending an animation" in a response.

[proper slate]

Nevermind

[grave sandal]

@proper slate I think I've seen a bot send a gif in an embed with a slot machine and the result of gambling or something.

[fast osprey]

Containers support mediagallery items, embeds do not

[gritty inlet]

What that has to do with what they said 😅

[sick birch]

can you show your interaction_check function?

[timber dragon]

Most likely just latency

Or you're not handling a specific situation

[gritty inlet]

It's just return await is_original_user(interaction)

[fast osprey]

Worth doing some debugging to see what is or isn't being executed. You wouldn't get a latency issue without an error (or you're swallowing errors)

[gritty inlet]

I'm not too surprised about the latency though, the more far away you are from Discord's servers the worse it gets

And I'm far enough

[young dagger]

Didn't they fix the discord caching issue with mentions?

[gritty inlet]

Not a cache issue, but yeah they made them resolve always but reverted that change the day after

[young dagger]

Sometimes they show up as "unknown user"

[young dagger]

Why?

[gritty inlet]

Known users shouldn't. Never happened to me

[gritty inlet]

Some privacy issue they said. Sounds dumb but what can we do

[young dagger]

Source?

[gritty inlet]

Don't remember, I think someone quoted it here

[young dagger]

Isn’t it a client side caching issue?

[gritty inlet]

No and that wouldn't make sense with what I said

They can fix it and they did temporarily

.

That's why I said it sounds dumb, because this doesn't make sense

[young dagger]

Well people claim that it has to do with not being indexed beforehand

What is your theory?

[burnt quiver]

Users that are not in the server won't be rendered

[young dagger]

It also happens with users on the server

[burnt quiver]

I've never seen that happen before unless you're talking about in embeds

[young dagger]

Does it change the fact that it happens in embeds?

[burnt quiver]

in embeds there's some weird caching issue so yeah

[timber dragon]

Every mention will be rendered if they roll out the thing again iirc

It was mainly reverted for performance issues

[burnt quiver]

advaith said there was some performance issue

yeah

[gritty inlet]

Hmm now that I think about it, wouldn't your client need to fetch unknown users to be able to display their partial info?

In that case, I can see why they didn't want it

[burnt quiver]

no, in embeds or not, users not in the server won't be rendered

Issue being users are not rendered properly in embeds even if they are in the server

[gritty inlet]

Wasn't talking about this

Was talking about that time they made them resolve everywhere

[timber dragon]

That's exactly how it works yeah

It would send all the resolved objects with the message

[gritty inlet]

Does that specifically degrade performance?

🤔

[timber dragon]

I guess? I don't manage a big ass codebase like discord

[woeful hill]

I mean if it does that every time then it would worsen the performance than just rely on user's client cache
If it is cached it is cached, if it isnt it isnt

[gritty inlet]

Yup

[timber dragon]

"If it isn't it isn't"

[woeful hill]

Wise words

[finite salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/words-of-wisdom-ferrari-f1-charles-leclerc-australia-gif-8228818569000901243

[faint basin]

@commands.has_permissions(administrator=True)
async def removerole (ctx, member: discord.Member, *, role: discord.Role):
    try:
        if role is None or member is None:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="You missed the ``member`` argument. do it like: `^removerole <member> <role>`")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(3))
            return
            
        elif not ctx.author.guild_permissions.administrator:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="You must have Administrator permissions.")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(5))
            return
            
        elif ctx.author.top_role <= ctx.guild.me.top_role and ctx.author != ctx.guild.owner:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="Your top role should be above my top role.")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(5))
            return
            
        else:
            await member.remove_role(role)
    except discord.Forbidden:
                embed = discord.Embed(description="I don't have permissions to *Remove Role*")
                await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(5))  ```

@commands.has_permissions(administrator=True)
async def addrole (ctx, role: discord.Role, *, member : discord.Member):
    try:
        if ctx.author.top_role <= ctx.guild.me.top_role and ctx.author != ctx.guild.owner:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="Your top role should be above my top role.")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed)
            return
            
        elif role => ctx.guild.top_role:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="This role is higher than my role, move it to the top!")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(5))
            return
            
        elif not ctx.author.guild_permissions.administrator:
            embed = discord.Embed(description="You must have Administrator permissions.")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed)
            return
            
        elif role is None or member is None:
            embed(description="You missed the ``member`` argument. do it like: `^role <role> <member> `")
            await ctx.send(embed=embed, delete_after(4))
            return
        
        else:
            await member.add_roles(role)
            await ctx.message.add_reaction("🤹‍♂️")
            ```

[sick birch]

is there some context for this i'm missing?

[gritty inlet]

Prefix commands in 2025

[scarlet tiger]

My bot supports both, application commands and prefix commands, but my users only use prefix commands. Many say that application commands are more difficult to use.

[gritty inlet]

More difficult - no
More feature rich - yes

[stark ingot]

What specifically is harder about slash commands? It should be approximately the same number of key strokes

[scarlet tiger]

I asked some users and they told me that prefix commands are much simpler and faster to send, others told me they like them better, and still others said that sometimes prefix commands respond much faster.

As a developer, I have to adapt to my users’ needs and preferences. If they like and use prefix commands more, then I have to go with that.

Although whenever I make a prefix command, I also create its slash version, since there are also some users who prefer those (even if they’re few) 😅

[gritty inlet]

There is no real difference to the response or send speed
Preference is fine although as I said slash commands have way more features.

Without slash commands you have to make a help command describing each command, as well

[scarlet tiger]

That’s true, my bot used to only support application commands, but users asked for prefix commands, and yeah… it was tedious to make the help command.

[gritty inlet]

Honestly don't see why people want those so bad

[fast osprey]

Making both is the worst option

[faint basin]

hi

[vivid plover]

Bc when your server has 17 bots, many commands overlap, and you have to manually choose which one you want from the list lol

[fast osprey]

That would be even worse with prefix commands

If anything that's even more reason to use slash commands

[gritty inlet]

When you do !help you don't know which of these 17 bots will respond

It's much less of a mess when you have a command list

[celest pelican]

The one where ! is the prefix?

[gritty inlet]

That's a default for plenty of bots

[celest pelican]

Yeah, I can see how it would get confusing if you have several bots with the same prefix

[gritty inlet]

Which necessarily happens

[fast osprey]

When you remove the need for a help command (and superfluous commands that are just reimplemented native behavior), from my experience there aren't many overlaps

[celest pelican]

...unless you configure them properly.
(To be honest I also don't understand why a server would have that many bots.)

[gritty inlet]

Yeah see you gotta configure them now

It's just less convenient, not a disaster

Also with slash commands you can have user installed commands

[quick gust]

It's much easier to type /command and pick the bot you intended to use, instead of memorizing the prefixes

[woeful hill]

dont even need to remember the command name

type / and then everything you can execute is shown

[burnt quiver]

I like to use prefix commands cuz I know them and it's undoubtedly faster since u know the arguments and this is like a private bot

But for 'production'/public bots, slash commands are definitely better in almost every aspect

[finite salmon]

The thing is, people hate change regardless if its for the better or worse

There are people who really hate change since they are so used to prefix commands

[vocal plover]

For me it really depends on the type of bot rather than whether it's in prod/public, moderation commands for example I find it easier to use prefix commands because I want to run them as fast as I can without needing to mess with the slash commands ui

[burnt quiver]

Yes but that’s only if know the command well, someone who’s new to the bot won’t know and slash commands are much more friendly

[vocal plover]

Yeah not arguing with that, just that there are uses for prefix commands in 'real' bots beyond not liking change

[fast osprey]

Depending on what the moderation action is, if it's doing something more sophisticated than the native operations and it's super time sensitive

[vocal plover]

Yeah I should clarify that if you're running a server with like 1000 people then you almost certainly have no reason to need the extra speed of prefix commands, my case is somewhat more unique because I frequently need to ban people sending scams/gore/etc in a server with around 600k people, so the impact of leaving it in chat longer is a lot bigger and more immediate

(and also sometimes includes multiple users in one command, where are variadic args Discord? we've been asking for 4 years)

[fast osprey]

Agreed that is a huge gap on slash commands

[vocal plover]

it's such a shame because I really like slash commands generally, but a bunch of stuff I do needs variadic args

so I'm blocked from properly using them, I mean I can just dump IDs into a text field but if I'm not getting the benefits of the slash ui anyway at that stage why bother using it

that said, advaith is now employed on the apps team and we're getting stuff added to modals for example, so maybe soon we'll get the stuff we've been asking for for years

[fast osprey]

In theory you could have a multi user select. It's one extra step but might be more ergonomic

[gritty inlet]

You might wanna try automod

[vocal plover]

you don't even wanna know what our automod config looks like

how many lines of yaml is too many lines of yaml?

an unfortunate consequence of being a large server is we get hit by new stuff first, so although we have a frankly insane amount of automod stuff we still get a bunch of stuff that we need to react to (and then filter when we've seen a pattern)

[gritty inlet]

Just don't let new members send links or media

[vocal plover]

Wow why didn't I think of this! (It's not that simple, firstly because people send messages without links that guide people into scams, and also because we don't want the community to be hyper restrictive. Also, we do, but people aren't new forever, and people who are existing members get compromised)

[gritty inlet]

I mean it can work alright with a leveling system if you have one

But yeah I never said you can 100% avoid this

[fast osprey]

The latter scenario is pretty common

[gritty inlet]

Yup

That's one reason why you should require moderators to have 2fa

In general, not talking about your case

[celest pelican]

Isn't the typical case of compromise token theft (where 2FA doesn't help)?

[vocal plover]

Yeah, again to be clear we're a unique-ish case becase of scale, there's more you can do at smaller scales but at 600k members everything is just hard and the small wins you can get (like the speed of running mod commands as text commands) are nice to have

[gritty inlet]

Still doesn't mean it's useless

Matter of fact it's very good practice

[celest pelican]

That's not what I said

[gritty inlet]

Yea ik

2FA helps with e.g. fake login pages

[fast osprey]

In theory a moderator should be more educated than the average discord user and know not to "test my game pls"

[vocal plover]

Also just to point it out, I specifically mean regular members being compromised rather than mods, since there's a fuckton of people in GTAO with a high enough level to post media, and we can't enforce 2FA on them

[fast osprey]

Yeah I think those two cases got mixed up here

[vocal plover]

You'd be horrified by how often I see people talking about their mods being compromised in the moderation meta communities

I certainly am

[gritty inlet]

I just troll scammers when they dm me lol

[fast osprey]

Sadly not many of them are particularly fun when you screw around with them from my experience

[vocal plover]

I'm involved in too many anti-abuse organisations and projects so I don't get them anymore. Literally the scam software skids use for it has me and a few other IDs blacklisted because they've worked out that it will result in instant termination lmao

It's nice to know that I'm that much of a problem for their operation lol

[gritty inlet]

The ones that find me are
And funny enough there's a code word for some of them

Tested that

[faint basin]

try, except or @cmdname.error

[faint basin]

which one is better 🦦

🤹‍♂️🤹‍♂️

[burnt quiver]

honestly depends

Ig if you want more specific error handling, try except is better?

cuz if there's two places in your code that raises the same error and are similar, you might not be able to tell where this error came from

[faint basin]

ohh

which one would be better if I wanna make a public bot

[livid fiber]

Can we get perms for voice txt

[timber dragon]

same perms as a text channel

[timber dragon]

try-except if it's a discord.HTTPException or its subclasses

otherwise global error if possible else local

imo

[faint basin]

hmm

[serene plank]

!e import discord

[unkempt canyon]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     import discord
004 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'discord'

[serene plank]

!e import pandas as pd

[unkempt canyon]

:warning: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[No output]

[serene plank]

!e print("Hi gais")

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hi gais

[foggy kraken]

.

[gritty inlet]

Finally

Seems to only be applied in profiles lol

[young dagger]

@gritty inlet What DB are you using for your bots?

Btw what do you guys think about MongoDB vs asqlite?

[gritty inlet]

DB type: SQLite
Library: sqlalchemy

[young dagger]

Isn't it synchronous?

[gritty inlet]

Nah it has an async engine option

:D

[grave sandal]

I love sqlalchemy but I kind of wish there was something faster to use just to prototype with. Feels like a lot of boiler plate to get anything useful.

[sick birch]

NoSQL feels a bit weird for discord related stuff which is generally fairly relational but it could definitely be used

[young dagger]

What would you recommend? I'm looking for something that’s easy to use without too much hassle (mongodb replacement)

[sick birch]

If you’re already on MongoDB you should probably just stay unless you have a good reason to switch.
Postgres is common and a really good database engine
It’s not in-process like sqlite is though

[fast osprey]

There's also #databases

[upper falcon]

what's the raw api for creating a server invite?

[burnt quiver]

raw api meaning?

[upper falcon]

https://discord.com/api/guilds/

[timber dragon]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/channel#create-channel-invite

[upper falcon]

thank you

let me try it rq

like this

        channel_list = httpx.get(f"https://discord.com/api/guilds/{guildid}/channels", headers = {"Authorization": f"Bot {token}"})
        channel_ids = []
        for x in channel_list.json():
            channel_ids.append(x["id"])
            print(channel_ids[0])
            threading.Thread(target=wrapper.waifu.create_invite, args=[channel_ids[0]]).start()

r = httpx.post(f"https://discord.com/api/v10/channels/{channel_id}/invites", headers = {"Authorization": f"Bot {token}"}, json={"max_age": 0, "max_uses": 0, "temporary": False, "unique": True})

[gritty inlet]

If it works then it works...

Nice another person that uses httpx

[fast osprey]

Why are you looking over all channels and making invites to all of them

[gritty inlet]

That's a great point actually

Though this code is, obviously, for testing so Idk

[upper falcon]

I'm not just making an invite for 1 channel

[gritty inlet]

Please tell me you're not using synchronous operations in production though

[upper falcon]

threading.Thread(target=wrapper.waifu.create_invite, args=[random.choice(wrapper.waifu.get_all_channel_ids(guildid))]).start()

[gritty inlet]

Why...

You know HTTPX has async right?

[upper falcon]

i know

[gritty inlet]

Then why use threading + asynchronous

[upper falcon]

for it to be faster

[fast osprey]

What is the purpose of making an invite on a random channel

[upper falcon]

u just said the purpose

[gritty inlet]

Not how it works really, and synchronous blocks your whole loop 💀

[fast osprey]

No I didn't I asked you why

[gritty inlet]

Threading is really not more fast or more effective than using async operations

[upper falcon]

i just need a random channel invite

[gritty inlet]

This is what I do:

client = httpx.AsyncClient(headers=...)

async def x():
  response = await client.get(...)
  ...

[upper falcon]

i know httpx is async

[gritty inlet]

Been using that for almost 2 years and it works great

[upper falcon]

but i'm using it sync

[fast osprey]

Why do you need a random channel invite

Who is getting this invite and why would it be random

[gritty inlet]

Just create an invite for the guild directly

Why channel bound

[upper falcon]

because i already have a function in my class for getting all channel ids

it's some moderator bot i'm making

i just need a invite function

[fast osprey]

To invite who

[upper falcon]

idk bruh anyone

[gritty inlet]

That doesn't mean you should do it.......... theres no point in creating invite for all channels, not to mentions that's hella sketchy

So create invite for the guild, not for a channel of it

[upper falcon]

no need to since i can just use random and pick a random channel id

[gritty inlet]

Dude why are you always picking the obviously worse option 😭

But have fun if that's what you believe is good

[upper falcon]

thanks

[fast osprey]

9 times out of 10, code like this is malicious and used to back door into servers

People can use the native invite feature. This adds nothing

[upper falcon]

not mine tho, y'all stay safe

[gritty inlet]

🥀

But yeah bots shouldn't create invites for guilds

Just do it yourself

[fast osprey]

There are a few cases where you might want that. But manually creating an invite to a random channel screams "I want a back door into this server"

[solid prairie]

did you know that async automatically utilizes threading when needed

for heavy io

ur just bloating up your app with additional threading

[timber dragon]

But ChatGPT said it's faster :(

[vocal plover]

Where are you getting this info? The whole point of asyncio is that it uses cooperative multitasking, the only time it'll ever use threading is when instructed to do so (i.e. run_in_executor)

[finite salmon]

Threads are meant for CPU intensive tasks and async for I/O intensive task. You need to explicitly use threads separately if you want it to. It doesn't use it on its own

[solid prairie]

i see

[upper falcon]

see i told y'all my code was good smh

[gritty inlet]

Did anyone say it's good

I assure you api calls are not intensive in any way, but they do block, not in a way that would make it better to use threading

The best practice is to use async

[verbal island]

I have a working bot that sends a message to a channel with a hardcodded user's ID in the code. I was wondering if there is a better way to see when that user gone offline or online. And when the user gone offline, i want it to show how long the user had gone offline when user gets online.

Sounds confusing :c

Like a timer? (Not live, ofc)

Ping me if anyone have an idea. Because i'm going to take a shower!

[finite salmon]

capture the datetime object of when the user goes offline (via datetime.datetime.now()) and another datetime object when the user comes back online. Subtract the datetime object of when the user comes online with the one when they went offline. You'll get a datetime.timedelta object which has the total elapsed time

[cloud dawn]

!d discord.on_presence_update

[unkempt canyon]

discord.on\_presence\_update

discord.on_presence_update(before, after)```
Called when a [`Member`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Member) updates their presence.

This is called when one or more of the following things change...

[dim kettle]

How i can do a discord bot

i have a level very very smart

https://tenor.com/view/haaugh-gif-25992068

[fast osprey]

Very carefully

[verbal island]

Thank you! I'll read datetime library docs for a better Understanding

[cloud dawn]

!d datetime.datetime

[unkempt canyon]

datetime.datetime

class datetime.datetime(year, month, day, hour=0, minute=0, second=0, microsecond=0, tzinfo=None, *, fold=0)```
The *year*, *month* and *day* arguments are required. *tzinfo* may be `None`, or an instance of a [`tzinfo`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/datetime.html#datetime.tzinfo) subclass. The remaining arguments must be integers in the following ranges...

datetime.timedelta

class datetime.timedelta(days=0, seconds=0, microseconds=0, milliseconds=0, minutes=0, hours=0, weeks=0)```
All arguments are optional and default to 0. Arguments may be integers or floats, and may be positive or negative.

Only *days*, *seconds* and *microseconds* are stored internally. Arguments are converted to those units...

[finite salmon]

!e

import datetime
import time

offline_snap = datetime.datetime.now()
# Capture the datetime of when the user went offline

time.sleep(1)  # Simulate user was offline for 1 second

online_snap = datetime.datetime.now()
# Capture the dateimte of when the user came back online

time_elapsed = online_snap - offline_snap  # You get a datetime.timedelta object

print(f"Seconds elapsed while user was offline: {time_elapsed.seconds}")

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Seconds elapsed while user was offline: 1

[verbal island]

Thank you! I understand now

[timber dragon]

!d discord.utils.utcnow

[unkempt canyon]

discord.utils.utcnow

discord.utils.utcnow()```
A helper function to return an aware UTC datetime representing the current time.

This should be preferred to [`datetime.datetime.utcnow()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.utcnow) since it is an aware datetime, compared to the naive datetime in the standard library.

New in version 2.0.

[timber dragon]

You should use that for time comparisons in a library like discord.py

Everything else works the same way

[cloud dawn]

Result will be the same, this will only really be an issue when sharding.

[timber dragon]

It'll actually error out

Since you can't compare a timezone unaware (?) with one that is

[burnt quiver]

!e

import datetime

print(datetime.datetime.now() > datetime.datetime.now(datetime.timezone.utc))

[unkempt canyon]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 3, in <module>
003 |     print(datetime.datetime.now() > datetime.datetime.now(datetime.timezone.utc))
004 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
005 | TypeError: can't compare offset-naive and offset-aware datetimes

[burnt quiver]

surprised I typed that right first try

[timber dragon]

[burnt quiver]

tyty

[mellow charm]

@mighty briar

[dry kelp]

[timber dragon]

Welcome back

[dry kelp]

Thanks homie

i managed to implement openai free moderation api

which apparently still requires billing

added the minimum 5 usd