discord-bots

[merry cliff]

and even if you defer the interaction I think its like 5 min max

[timber dragon]

You're already responding to the interaction

[timber dragon]

15 mins

But you've already responded so discord doesn't care anymore

[merry cliff]

oh ur right

🤦‍♂️

[timber dragon]

What you should be doing here is moving the sending message to the task too and only allowing one per guild

And don't call it yourself

[merry cliff]

async def mass_give_roles(self, members: Sequence[discord.Member], role: discord.Role, inter: discord.Interaction) -> None:
    if inter.guild.id in self.currently_roll_assigning:
        await inter.channel.send("This guild already has a /roleall task running! Please wait for the previous task to complete before calling this command again."
        return 
    self.currently_roll_assigning.append(inter.guild.id)
    for member in members:
        try:
            await member.add_roles(role)
            await asyncio.sleep(0.42)  # this is probably good enough
        except discord.Forbidden:
            result = f"Error: Missing permissions to update roles for {member.name}"
            await inter.channel.send(result + f"\n{interaction.user.mention}", silent=True)
        except discord.HTTPException as e:
            result = f"Error: Failed to update roles for {member.name}: {e}"
            await inter.channel.send(result + f"\n{interaction.user.mention}", silent=True)
    result = f"Success! {role.mention} added to {len(members)} member(s)."
    await inter.channel.send(result + f"\n{interaction.user.mention}", silent=True)
    self.currently_roll_assigning.remove(inter.guild.id)```
?

[timber dragon]

Wth is that

[merry cliff]

💀

[timber dragon]

Well it's fine outside of sending the result multiple times in the loop

[merry cliff]

thats for specific users

[timber dragon]

But I was thinking something like

# task
async def mass_roles(interaction):
    ... # add roles and send message etc

# command
...
if interaction.guild.id in self.tasks:
    return ... # tell user to F off

task = asyncio.create_task(mass_roles(interaction))
self.tasks[interaction.guild.id] = task
task.add_done_callback(lambda: self.tasks.pop(interaction.guild.id, None))
...

Could send the message etc in a done callback too but eh you can decide that

[merry cliff]

will this fix the race condition if two admins from triggering the task at the same time

    lock = asyncio.Lock()
    async with lock:
        if inter.guild.id in self.currently_roll_assigning:
            await inter.channel.send(
                "This guild already has a /roleall task running! Please wait before calling this command again.",
            )
            return
        self.currently_roll_assigning.append(inter.guild.id)  # yay fixed the race condition hopefully
    for member in members:
        ...

[young dagger]

What if you process them in chunks rather than sequentially

10 members > sleep 1 sec on repeat

1000 × 0.42 = 420 seconds
1000 ÷ 10 = 100 seconds

[merry cliff]

smart

[verbal island]

What hosting service do yall use to keep bot Alive? (Also is it free or paid)

[fast osprey]

It would not be economically feasible for someone to provide you compute resources for free eternally

[stark ingot]

I use digital ocean, $4 a month.

Oracle also has a free tier

[tardy stream]

fly.io is a good paid one

[verbal island]

I see. Thanks

[gilded python]

Anyone want to build bots with me?

We can try to make projects together

[young dagger]

Is it possible to change the server banner?

I can't find anything in the docs

[fast osprey]

!d discord.Guild.edit

[unkempt canyon]

discord.Guild.edit

await edit(*, reason=..., name=..., description=..., icon=..., banner=..., splash=..., discovery_splash=..., community=..., afk_channel=..., owner=..., afk_timeout=..., ...)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

Edits the guild.

You must have [`manage_guild`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Permissions.manage_guild) to edit the guild...

[young dagger]

Thanks

[wise sky]

How can i delete past sent messages?

With my bot

[fast osprey]

How are you identifying which messages you want to delete?

[wise sky]

by an int

But i think i got it

I just did

async def clear(ctx, amount: int):
    deleted = await ctx.channel.purge(limit=amount + 1)

[sour lagoon]

yes am also working as solo on similer project

[rain bear]

hi :3
i've made a pretty big discord bot. I'd like if someone could review it and give some insights. I have it on github :)

[fast osprey]

link?

[rain bear]

https://github.com/japaneseTemmie/MusicBot.py-2.0

[finite salmon]

1. You didn't have to create a separate repo for v2, you could've just used your original repo. One of the biggest reason to use github is for version control itself and it becomes ironic if you don't use it for that. You can make use of tags and releases to mark (a snapshot) of different versions of your code base.

2. Personally I prefer keeping only the main file at the root of the project and the rest of the files inside a folder to make it clear where the entry point is supposed to be.

3. Usually you'd name your entry file name of your program as main.py or the name of your project, not run.py

4. Automatically installing and checking for dependancies in runtime is diabolical, don't do that. There's so many points of error and adds too much complexity for very little purpose.

5. Avoid using from module_name import * whenever possible, it usually pollutes your namespace and type checkers cant infer what you're importing and also makes debugging slightly harder.

6. Instead of manually attaching an error handler for every command individually to do the same thing, you can override discord.app_commands.CommandTree.on_error once and it will apply to all app commands

7. Use formatters, linters (like ruff which does both) and type checkers (like basedpyright)

8. Your filenames should follow snake_case, yours is like a c style with no underscores lmao

9. You can use docstrings within the command method to give it descriptions and stuff instead of having an unreadable help.json

10. In some places you have mutable data as default value in a function's parameter, specifically your this function in iohelper.py: def ensure_paths(path: str, file: str | None=None, file_content_on_creation: str | dict={}) -> bool:

This is a very bad idea since if you don't overwrite it, the data in default dict will persist in every function call instead of clearing. Just google "why should you not have mutable data as default params in python functions" to learn more

11. I just saw your settings.py file realized that your import that shit into EVERY module... that's single handedly one of the most questionable things I've seen. ONLY and ONLY import the modules / packages you actively need in your working file DIRECTLY instead of having a separate file that loads shit ton of unnessescary files and then load that bloated file into your working one

I'm not even gonna question why you have time.sleep in that file..

there's probably a some more i can point out but these are some of the obvious ones

Even though you're making use of json as a database and you handled synchronizations and somewhat non blocking, json is still not suitable for databases because it can get really slow very fast (especially because of synchronizations)

its not even that hard to use an actual db lmao

[gritty inlet]

For very small things it doesn't matter

[finite salmon]

Nah, in this case, the amount of efforts they put into syncs and non-blocking, they could've easily just used aiosqlite (which does that for you) for half the effort and better readability

[finite salmon]

👍🏿

[gritty inlet]

Ngl I'm still doing fine without a typechecker

We'll see though

[finite salmon]

thats exactly what i thought before using type checkers

now i cant go back

[gritty inlet]

🤔

I won't go beyond these

[finite salmon]

i js use vsc standard to point out the obvious mistakes i do and run basedpyright for the more detailed ones

[gritty inlet]

Your choice

I like the standard actually

🙏🏻

[gritty inlet]

the ... hits hard

[finite salmon]

type shift

[gritty inlet]

Should I just append all functions instead of allowing only one per event? 🤔

Not that serious

[rain bear]

Well, i'm aware that's generally a great idea, but if i need a lot of stuff, the top of every file will be cluttered with imports instead of one. I'm actually trying to improve the codebase, it used to be much, much worse than this lol :3

[rain bear]

Got it. But feature-wise how'd sum it up in a rating?

[fast osprey]

My review is that this violates TOS and this server's rules by extension

[finite salmon]

No. It's NOT a great idea even remotely, you're taking DRY to a next level which should be avoided. Even if it means to reusing the same import statements in many files, do that. Be explicit with what you're importing and actually using not implicit.

[finite salmon]

I haven't seen in detail what all features are there but code quality wise I'd give 5/10

Also if you want to automatically sort your imports you can use isort or ruff (with I rule extension as fixable) to do that for you

[gritty inlet]

Bruh

[rain bear]

Got it. Guess i'll take a look at the codebase with new eyes now. Thanks

[timber dragon]

What's wrong with that?

Discord event name -> object

[gritty inlet]

Nah nothing wrong with that

with that

i like this quite less

Thing is, all 3 can be only two things, that's why they all just subclass the same thing and that's it

[timber dragon]

Always better to keep them separate for future proofing

[gritty inlet]

Yea

But I was too lazy to parse the regular message object xD

Maybe later

[rain bear]

Oh btw i think you understood it wrong, i meant your approach is great

[finite salmon]

ohh i see lmao

[rain bear]

how so? Please enlighten me

[fast osprey]

It is against YouTube tos to redistribute their content, and by extension against discord's.

It's also illegal to redistribute copyrighted content without permission from the copyright holder

[gritty inlet]

Music bots in a nutshell

[rain bear]

Well, It just streams it just like you'd do it with a browser

But yeah i guess so

[gritty inlet]

I'd recommend just dropping the YouTube feature

Unless you want the chance of ending up like Rhythm

[fast osprey]

Don't redistribute copyrighted content or interact with services in unsupported ways

[rain bear]

I'm not hosting it. it's just FOSS on github.

[gritty inlet]

I won't get into this too much but as long as you're using a service that does that, you become a part of the problem too

[rain bear]

Got it.. I just liked the idea of a personal bot and figured i'd put it on github if it could interest others too

Ima go now

[molten bramble]

I’m using pterodactyl panel but my bots code is python but I don’t know what happened

[woeful hill]

The error is self explanatory

[warm bramble]

async def security(self) -> discord.Embed:
        g = self.guild
        verif_map = {
            discord.VerificationLevel.none: "None",
            discord.VerificationLevel.low: "Low",
            discord.VerificationLevel.medium: "Medium",
            discord.VerificationLevel.high: "High",
            discord.VerificationLevel.extreme: "Extreme"
        }
        nsfw_map = {None: "Not Set", True: "Yes", False: "No"}
        afk = safe_attr(safe_attr(g, "afk_channel"), "mention", "None")
        notifications = str(safe_attr(g, "default_notifications", "Unknown")).title()
        explicit = str(safe_attr(g, "explicit_content_filter", "Unknown")).title()
        partnered = "Yes" if "PARTNERED" in safe_attr(g, "features", []) else "No"
        verified = "Yes" if "VERIFIED" in safe_attr(g, "features", []) else "No"
        community = "Yes" if "COMMUNITY" in safe_attr(g, "features", []) else "No"
        nsfw = nsfw_map.get(safe_attr(g, "nsfw", None))
        
        embed = discord.Embed(
            title="Title",
            description=(
                f"**Verification Level:** {verif_map.get(g.verification_level,'Unknown')}\n"
                f"**Default Notifications:** {notifications}\n"
                f"**Explicit Content Filter:** {explicit}\n"
                f"**AFK Channel:** {afk}\n"
                f"**AFK Timeout:** {getattr(g, 'afk_timeout', 0) // 60} min\n"
                f"**NSFW Level:** {nsfw}\n"
                f"**Partnered:** {partnered}\n"
                f"**Verified:** {verified}\n"
                f"**Community:** {community}\n"
            ),
            color=discord.Color.gold()
        )
        return embed

is this code correct?

[finite salmon]

wdym is it correct dawg

run it yourself and see if it works, if there's any error show it and explain what you're trying to do

[warm bramble]

gu run mai tid

i kwai

[finite salmon]

what

don't drink and code

[warm bramble]

i wont ask if it tells me an error

you matafaka you better shut up if u gonna say run it myself

[finite salmon]

run it yourself

[warm bramble]

frick off you matafaka

[woeful hill]

Not that hard to just spin on the bot and use the command that send the embed

Better yet use jishaku extension

No need to be rude

You are asking for free help

[finite salmon]

No one can even run that command for him since there are variable and function names that only he knows how they are defined.

[timber dragon]

Really hope safe_attr is just getattr(obj, "attr", fallback)

But also, why is that even used there? Those attributes should always exist.

"Matafaka"

[finite salmon]

i love abstraction over abstraction

[warm bramble]

i fixed it period

[celest pelican]

!mute 604560333063061505 1h If you want to remain in the server, you need to be more respectful towards its members.

[unkempt canyon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @warm bramble until <t:1758968621:f> (1 hour).

[warm bramble]

no respectful for strangers , its for my parents

[celest pelican]

Are you saying you can't or won't be respectful to our server members?

[fast osprey]

[tender bobcat]

[slow sphinx]

I know this isnt a discord bot question but seemed like the best place to ask. when making a twich chat bot should i make a seperate twitch account for the bot or would using mine be okay?

[gritty inlet]

I don't think you can use your own, don't you have to create a Twitch bot user with a token of some sort?

[fast osprey]

Doesn't even seem python related at all tbh

[stark ingot]

Might be good to start here: https://dev.twitch.tv/

[scarlet galleon]

i need help

import discord
from discord.ext import commands

intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.members = True

bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix='!', intents=intents)

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
print(f'Il bot è online come {bot.user}')

@bot.event
async def on_member_join(member):
channel = discord.utils.get(member.guild.text_channels, name='welcome') # nome canale
if channel:
await channel.send(f'Benvenuto/a {member.mention} nel server!')

bot.run('token') #token

what is wrong?

PING ME PLIS

[scarlet galleon]

and someone know a free hoster for discord bot?

[fast osprey]

It costs money to run servers. People aren't going to run your stuff for free

Also we can't tell you what's wrong if you don't describe the problem

[gritty inlet]

Either pay for a good VPS or considering self hosting. Depends on your preferences/scale/budget of course.

[scarlet galleon]

when i run the py on cmd it say " TypeError: unhashable type: 'list' "

[rugged shadow]

depending on the bot it might not even need a good vps

just... a vps

[gritty inlet]

It's the discord.utils.get(... line

Actually I'm not sure

[scarlet galleon]

so what's the problem'

[gritty inlet]

Is this the entire code

[fast osprey]

You should get a traceback, not just an error

[scarlet galleon]

can someone send me a code for welcome bot?

because i dont understand the problem of my code

[fast osprey]

No

Provide the traceback of your error

[stark ingot]

Oracle has a free tier.
Also please use slash commands if you are new

[fast osprey]

They don't have any commands though

[scarlet galleon]

Thx

[glacial grail]

If you have good Idea I am here for the implementation

[fast osprey]

Make a bot that tells people what kind of bot to make

[simple hawk]

Did I cook chat:
if message.content.startswith(“popsicle”):
c = message.channel.name
ch = c.split(“-“)
if “ticket” in ch:
await message.channel.delete()

[gritty inlet]

Why not just make a slash command bruh

[fast osprey]

also you shouldn't be using channels for "tickets" when threads exist

[gritty inlet]

Correct

[trail sentinel]

Can we have 2 bots pls

[fast osprey]

yes...?

[simple hawk]

No like if they need any help from staff

Ppl can create a ticket and it’ll add only the person and staff in the channel

[fast osprey]

yes. That's what threads are for

[simple hawk]

ohhhh

mhmm

[stark cairn]

Hi i need a bot for a chess server where i can (after the new member cites his lichess username) create a new role with that name and assign it to him with a bot comand. Is there a bot that does this?? Thank you

[woeful hill]

why would you wanna create a whole role just for one person

[warm bramble]

run it yourself

[fast osprey]

Also if you're looking for existing bots, rather than building one yourself, there are better places than a python server. Existing bots don't need to be in python

[stark cairn]

So that everyone can know the username of others. Or maybe a command that changes the server nickname into the lichess username

[stark cairn]

Yeah ik sorry about that its just that its the only place i can ask for if theres anyone here that is familiar with existing popular bots

[fast osprey]

Why can't people just change their own nickname?

[gritty inlet]

Best option might be making your own bot and saving those Lichess names in a DB

[merry cliff]

https://lichess.org/api

there's an authentication workflow so you can get users to login to your bot through lichess

[topaz field]

hi, I need help with making my own jarvis from scratch, I have the txt to speech done, I need help making the brain

[stark ingot]

Is it a discord bot?

[warm bramble]

run it yourself bro

[waxen hound]

Hello

[warm bramble]

ok but didnt ask

[merry cliff]

thats not very nice..

[gritty inlet]

Did you not learn your lesson from the first mute

[warm bramble]

what? when did i get muted?

i never get muted in this server before

[gritty inlet]

You did

[finite salmon]

Matafaka

[gritty inlet]

🤨 🤨 🤨

And that was a thing since..?

[gilded python]

hello
i need help regarding the hosting
my query is:
that when i use a command in my bot of ?help it does not send any responce
when when i host my bot with same files locally, they work
other all commands are also working on hosting too but only help command is not working
If anyone know please ping me

[stark ingot]

It's not yet

[warm bramble]

it was not mute, it was timeout

timeout does not equal mute

[fast osprey]

@celest pelican

[celest pelican]

!mute 604560333063061505 4h don't insult

[unkempt canyon]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @warm bramble until <t:1759177259:f> (4 hours).

[celest pelican]

Just ping the role please, not individuals

[fast osprey]

Ack ack will do, figured you had the context but will use the role going forward sorry!

[gritty inlet]

Wdym

[timber dragon]

it's a new component that hasn't been announced publicly yet

[gritty inlet]

For modals? 🤔

[timber dragon]

yup

[gritty inlet]

[sterile shore]

Hi anyone know how to add erlc api

to a discord bot

(ping when read)

[gritty inlet]

Is that a Roblox game?

[sterile shore]

yeah, a private server in the game

[gritty inlet]

Do you know for a fact that it has an API?

[sterile shore]

Yes

[gritty inlet]

Does it have documentation

[sterile shore]

yes

but i dont understand it and how to make it into a cmd

[gritty inlet]

Do you have Python and/or Dbot developmenet experience?

[sterile shore]

a bit, but barely

mostly like bot knowledge e.g embeds and whatnot

[gritty inlet]

So no experience with http stuff I assume

I mean maybe there's a wrapper for it somewhere, you can try to search

[sterile shore]

nah

[sterile shore]

https://apidocs.policeroleplay.community/

[gritty inlet]

There is a Python example to each endpoint

If you need further assistance, I'm here

[sterile shore]

how do u make it into a working cmd (e.g /erlc command :h test)

[gritty inlet]

However, I definitely recommend using asynchronous methods when using an API

For example if you use httpx (the HTTP library I use), you'd do something like:

import httpx

client = httpx.AsyncClient(headers={"server-key":"YOUR_API_KEY"})

async def example():
    response = await client.get("https://api.policeroleplay.community/v1/server/command", json={"command": ":h Hey everyone!"})
    data = response.json()

[gritty inlet]

I recommend going over the docs of the library you use to see how to setup your first slash command. There's plenty of examples online

[sterile shore]

im gonna be honest i js aied it and might see if i can get it from there

sorry if i wasted ur time

[gritty inlet]

You didn't don't worry!

[sterile shore]

have a nice day

[vivid mango]

Hi everybody ! I'm sorry if this question has been asked many times before, I haven't been active in the server. I'm making a gacha discord bot, where it generates a random picture based on a discord command, and the user gets to keep that picture. So far, it works great. However, I don't know how to save the data. Everytime my bot goes offline (I can't host it 24/7 yet), data is lost (collected pictures in the binder disappear). I've read that I could use JSON files, but it doesn't seem to work (unless I am doing it wrongly), or I could use SQL. Do you have recommendations?

[finite salmon]

It's best if you use a Relational DB like postgresql, SQLite or whatever you're comfortable with. Or non relational like mongo.

You can use the db locally if you're self hosting on your machine but if you're hosting on a server or smt you'll have to install whichever db's driver on that too. But that's a lot of work so the recommended way is to use cloud databases, you can check out supabase which has a free tier with 500mb db and uses postgresql

[vivid mango]

I see. I had started checking out postgresql, but I might as well try the cloud databases, I didn't think of it. Thank you ^^

[fast osprey]

SQLite is a very good option to get started

My advice is to default to sqlite until you find you need features it doesn't have

[vivid mango]

tbf I went with postgresql because it seemed like the most popular and liked choice in general. I had tried sqlite3 at school, but I guess I need to see which one might be better, if I were to go with more traditional sql handling, rather than cloud db

[finite salmon]

Or you can make it database independent by using an orm

[vivid mango]

orm?

[fast osprey]

if you don't know sql at all, that's step 0

[finite salmon]

Object relational mapper, check out what SQL alchemy is.

[vivid mango]

I do know the queries and the management of tables, but I don't know all of the differences between the relational and non-relational databases

[fast osprey]

That's a good topic to get a handle on. It's extremely likely your data is relational but it's a good thing to know

[vivid mango]

I'll keep those info in mind, thanks

[gritty inlet]

I'll learn to use a DB some day

I'm still using JSON 😛

[finite salmon]

Today

[gritty inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

What'd be a good DB that fits for very frequent changes (but also for normal paced changes)? Disk based

Maybe I can use aiosqlite, but I'd like to hear some recommendations since I have zero DB knowledge

[fast osprey]

sqlite is the format, aiosqlite is one option for libraries that interact with it

I personally recommend asqlite instead

[gritty inlet]

Does it offer any specific benefits that you like having? Or is it rather you being used to it or maybe just syntax?
Thank you anyway!

[sick birch]

how frequent

[fast osprey]

asqlite sets WAL mode for you (which you really should have when doing async) and gives you Row objects back by default

and provides a connection pool implementation

[wooden mortar]

If I may know why only disk based

[pure schooner]

Does anyone have a discord bot templates with many features

[gritty inlet]

Let's say for presence update changes, for example
Tbh one of my "archived" bots that I'm sometimes working on needs that and the others don't

[sick birch]

in a server of what size?

[gritty inlet]

I'd like to be able to maintain it for even large servers

Anyway I probably don't need it as I kinda gave that bot up

[oak sedge]

Hii

[sick birch]

making a database query for each presence change can get unwieldy quickly for larger servers. you would need to do some sort of optimization like caching or batching

[gritty inlet]

Yeah..

[gritty inlet]

Because why would I need a DB for memory stuff. I'm not in a position where simply using dicts is not good

[fast osprey]

You generally do not need to store stuff in a db that's tracked by discord, you're just duplicating data and discord has a lot more money than you do

[gritty inlet]

🥲

Anyway is there a downside of using a disk based DB? Necessarily not for very frequent changes (but edge cases always exist..)

[gritty inlet]

.

[fast osprey]

...what is the alternative?

[gritty inlet]

Good question that I can't answer (:

Alright then

[fast osprey]

stone tablets?

[gritty inlet]

Comparing to stuff like Redis, unless Redis is called "disk based" too

[fast osprey]

Where would redis physically put data

[gritty inlet]

Well yeah you cannot completely avoid using disk

[fast osprey]

I don't think this distinction of disk-based is what you're trying to get at

Redis (and the like) are caching layers, not databases anyways. It's meant to be used in tandem with a db, not as a db replacement

[finite salmon]

As far as I know, most databases (SQL type), load "pages" (sections) of the disk data to memory and whenever you make any query, it does most of it in memory than disk I/O, which is why they're super fast.

But databases like redis loads the entire data to memory without needing to calculate which page it needs to load.

But in the end all the data is being saved in the disk

[fast osprey]

anyways, #databases is probably worth a poke

[gritty inlet]

[dry kelp]

JSON is not database.

A quick suggestion i can give you, is learning how to use docker, you can easily setup a database running on docker, no need for extra installation on your pc, Amazingly to be able to work in development.

Consider in production you will need to connect to a proper database cluster or locally, i do recommend postgreSQL, I main it, and it's the best in my opinion for long term data storage, and works amazingly for discord bots.

It's a lot easier creating a configuration to connect using Dynaconf package, And to also facilitate your work, you could use ORMs, You define your models, they will migrate / upgrade / downgrade based on how you want.

Using them in your code it's also a lot easier than having RAW sql (or any)

[gritty inlet]

Docker no, I'll consider the other things, thank you

[dry kelp]

Why not?

It's the most friendly tool for developers, and probably the best.

[gritty inlet]

I'm doing perfectly fine with my RPI and its venv

[dry kelp]

Speaking of virtual env, are you familiar with the tool poetry?

[gritty inlet]

No

[dry kelp]

Are you aware that within just 1 command installation it will automatically create a venv, not using a basic "requirements.txt" to install each package.

[timber dragon]

UV >>>

[dry kelp]

I think most developer here that have a certain level of experience would prefer docker.

[timber dragon]

UV isn't a host?

[dry kelp]

Btw, RPI is mostly used for lightweight servers

[gritty inlet]

I don't have such a hard time installing packages, Idk what ur specifying here

[gritty inlet]

Which is exactly what I do (:

[dry kelp]

It's just to facilitate your work.

[dry kelp]

UV is eventually faster than pip or poetry.

[gritty inlet]

cd bin
source activate
pip install

ez for me

[dry kelp]

poetry install works better for me....

[gritty inlet]

But thanks for recommendations

[timber dragon]

Also a lot easier IMO

[dry kelp]

Yeah, but it depends a lot over what you're building.

for me, being able to use all these tools as docker, poetry, it's absolutely all i need.

[timber dragon]

That's great for you

[dry kelp]

Yeah, i just need something to run properly, not focusing on "speed"

But you're right, UV is ineed better, as far as i know it's rust based.

[gritty inlet]

Gotta love user installs

It's very easy to implement and support, definitely recommend it

[earnest cloud]

i need a free hosting website that auto update from my repo

[fast osprey]

You don't need it to be free

[woeful hill]

Is it that hard to just hop in or load jishaku to do git pull

[earnest cloud]

whats that

[woeful hill]

Jishaku is an extension that provide you some neat owner only commands

Run shell command, run python snippet, test command as other user,...

[fast osprey]

You also don't need a host or any extension to do this for you. GitHub Actions exist, or you can make a like 5 line command that pulls and reloads things.

[earnest cloud]

teach me

[gritty inlet]

Me when CMD exists

Maybe except for the last one

[sweet minnow]

will discord slash command ids change or not?

[finite salmon]

Only if you remove a command and add it back it's id changes if I'm not wrong

[sweet minnow]

what happens if i edit the code of a command?

does it change?

[finite salmon]

No

[sweet minnow]

will the id stay permanent?

[fast osprey]

unless you change the name of the command, yes

[finite salmon]

You should probably test if yourself

[fast osprey]

it's not going to rotate them randomly, no

[sweet minnow]

ok

[finite salmon]

I'm not sure if you change the parameters and sync again and the I'd will remain the same or not. But it most probably will change I think

[fast osprey]

It's the name that identifies the command

[finite salmon]

Oh alr

[timber dragon]

There is a version field that changes for other stuff afaik

[gritty inlet]

"In conclusion", I recommend not using a static string for command mentions

But rather find a way to dynamically get it

[mild bloom]

vercel

[rustic pagoda]

Does select work yet in modals? I see on discord.py's website that they added it in 2.6. If I put a select in my modal in the code the bot will run, but when I run the command to open the modal the bot errors

[fast osprey]

Are you putting it in a label?

[rustic pagoda]

I'm not sure what you mean tbh. I was just trying it out with this. If I remove the select it works fine with the text input, but errors out with the select

class modalTest(discord.ui.Modal, title = "poopy stinky"):
    testfield = discord.ui.TextInput(label = "input poopy", style = discord.TextStyle.short, placeholder = "not poopy enough", required = True, max_length=2)
    select = discord.ui.Select(
        placeholder = "Select something",
        min_values = 1,
        max_values = 1,
        disabled = True,
        options = [discord.SelectOption(label = "option 1", value=0)]
    )

[fast osprey]

Selects have to be put in a label. You can't just directly add them to a modal

[fast osprey]

https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/master/examples/modals/label.py

[rustic pagoda]

It worked, thanks for your help! I was having a lot of trouble finding recent examples that showed select working in a modal, so this helps a lot. Thank you!

[earnest cloud]

i can use vercel for bot hosting?

[mild bloom]

nope but you didn't specify this before

[earnest cloud]

we're in #discord-bots but whatever

[mild bloom]

just go with a vps

[fast osprey]

[gritty inlet]

Here is a link to an image*

Sounds botted

[pure schooner]

Does anyone have a really good template for discord bot. I wanna learn from scratch

[fast osprey]

How are you going to learn from looking at a template?

[pure schooner]

I wanna learn from example

Youtube tutorial is way too basic, not practical

[fast osprey]

youtube tutorials are also wrong and made up

Just looking at a template a) won't tell you the design choices they made to get that code b) help you understand the tradeoffs made or c) even necessarily be "correct"

[pure schooner]

Can u give me some advice where to start

[fast osprey]

I'd recommend starting with getting very, very strong fundamental python skills if you don't have them already

you should know things like OOP and async first

[pure schooner]

Oh thank you a lot!

[sly burrow]

are u viet

[pure schooner]

Yes

[sly burrow]

are u good at python

can i ask u some in dms

[pure schooner]

Im not

[rough pivot]

whats async?

i know oop is object oriented prorgamming

[pure schooner]

asynchronous

[rough pivot]

what is it?

[finite salmon]

Single threaded way of running a program concurrently

Usually used in networking where there's a lot of I/O and waiting

[rough pivot]

wow you guys know a lot of words and stuff

my school didnt teach me anything

i wasted like 5 years of my life learning bare minimum

self taught is way better

[finite salmon]

Schools usually teach you the bare minimum or scratch the surface of many topics, you gotta learn mostly on your own

[rough pivot]

also ur tag is the initials for my name lol

anyways what is i/o?

[finite salmon]

Lol it's my dev server

[finite salmon]

Input output

[rough pivot]

wait so

do you mean multiple programs?

its probably a simple concept youre telling me about its just i dont know any of the vocabulary us3d

[finite salmon]

By this i mean: when you send a request to a host, your program needs to wait for the response to be sent back by the server and this time wasted in waiting can be spent on doing something else, that's where async comes in

[rough pivot]

i feel ashamed to ask more questions

[finite salmon]

It's alright, I don't mind answering

[rough pivot]

whats a host

[finite salmon]

Host is a server somewhere on the internet that accepts requests to it and possibly sending request back too

[rough pivot]

can you give an example of a request and a request back?

[finite salmon]

Discord API

[rough pivot]

well

[finite salmon]

You send a request to the discord api's server

[rough pivot]

i mean like

[finite salmon]

And get some data back

[rough pivot]

whats api

[finite salmon]

Application interface

It's a kind of abstraction to simplify the internals of a programs for external use

[rough pivot]

so what would discord’s api be? could you give some examples?

[finite salmon]

https://discord.com/api

This is the base URI of the discord API

[finite salmon]

And over here you can see bunch of endpoints which you need to add to the end of the base url to get it's information https://discord.com/developers/docs/reference#image-formatting-cdn-endpoints

[rough pivot]

ah i see now i looked what api was on google

sorry im bad at wording

i wanted like the definition of api and like what it does and stuff and like an example

[finite salmon]

Yea there's many different kinds of apis you're better off googling them

[rough pivot]

i mean

i just wanted the general concept of one

this was very straightforward

[finite salmon]

Sorry if I didn't explain it well

[rough pivot]

its okay

we’re all human

me and you

[finite salmon]

Alr

[rough pivot]

man i still dont get it

[finite salmon]

Lmao

What do you not understand

[rough pivot]

i dont fully grasp the concept of why to actually use one

[rough pivot]

i dont see why you should use one

[finite salmon]

Api?

[rough pivot]

yes

[woeful hill]

Api = application programming interface, you interact with the application programmatically

[finite salmon]

Discord API in particular allows you to control your discord bot

Through your code

[rough pivot]

this doesnt help me

[finite salmon]

Every api is different and serves a different purpose

[woeful hill]

Which part did you not understand about that

[rough pivot]

i dont know man i dont think through definitions i think through examples and reason and logic

[woeful hill]

You are interacting with discord thru a user interface

Specifically graphical user interface

But since bot dont have senses like you

[finite salmon]

If you want to understand better you should try working with some simpler APIs and learn about GET / POST requests and stuff

[woeful hill]

They interact with discord differently

[finite salmon]

Through python's requests library

[rough pivot]

i dont know man maybe im just stupid and cant learn normally

if it seems simple to you guys and explained simply then why dont i understand it

[finite salmon]

https://catfact.ninja

[rough pivot]

i dont know what to ask to help myself understand it more

[finite salmon]

Try experimenting with this API, it gives you cat facts

[woeful hill]

They dont understand how api work, not how to work with api

[rough pivot]

yeah

[finite salmon]

I still think you will understand a bit better if you actually work with the api

[rough pivot]

when im given a definition of how something works it doesnt let me understand why i should use it

its like not knowing anythinf at all about a lawnmower and its reduced to a word.

A, using scissors to cut grass: hey B, why should I use a lawnmower?

B: because it cuts grass

A: how does it cut the grass?

B: by using blades, here work with it.

A: i have no idea what im looking at, i dont even know how to work with it and how to know if its cutting grass or not, and i have no reasoning to use the lawnmower instead of the scissors.

[finite salmon]

If you want to understand how to make your own APIs and stuff you can check out FastAPI

[rough pivot]

B: here wanna make a lawnmower now?

A: but i have no idea what it even does or anything, its still just a word to me

[finite salmon]

If you make a lawnmower you get to see every internals, how it works and bit of critical thinking you'll figure out yourself why a lawnmower is better than scissors

[rough pivot]

yeah but you dont even know what the internals are and you still dont know how the lawnmower actually cuts the grass

you dont know why you should use it either

i cant visualize things in my head API right now is just a word to me

[finite salmon]

If we're talking about discord API internals or in general any APIs internals, we'll never know because most of them are proprietary code. In general APIs just allow you to access the host's database in a limited form

[rough pivot]

im overwhelmed now

these things arent put in a way i can understand

[finite salmon]

You won't understand at first why a lawnmower is better than scissors but unless you use both of them you won't know that lawnmower is easier to use. So just start using an API and see how it works right before your eyes

[gleaming inlet]

Im trying to deploy a new readthedocs site of my repo and saw that it has pelican as one of the configs. I dont know how to see what the pelican docs look like. Anyone know of any existing repo that points to their pelican type docs?

oh nvm. The actual docs site of Pelican is made with Pelican

[woeful osprey]

gulp

[brazen raft]

It's like a user interface but for developers.
Let's say there's an API for cat images.
It exposes parts of its underlying system, that is a database of cat images, and enables using them in programs in a cohesive, abstract and (hopefully) safe way for the system.
It could provide a function to retrieve a cat image from its database or even many at once. These two functions may support specifying filters to get images of specific cats or other features like pose, accessories or environment.
This API would set a limit to the rate at which users can access it so it won't get overwhelmed with requests and go down for all users.
Now you get to use cat images in a simple way. You don't know the details and you can't abuse this system, but this is the tradeoff you make.
Alternatively, you would have to set up your own library of cat images and write your own functions that simplify extracting images from it in possibly complex ways.

APIs of online services let you work with systems you don't own (e.g. social media APIs, game APIs, Google Translate API) or can't possibly replicate on your own with limited resources (e.g. satellite APIs, database APIs).

If an API is locally available, it's basically the same as programming libraries or even operating system APIs and drivers.
You may not know how the random module in Python's standard library produces randomness for your intents and purposes, but you can use it nonetheless.

[tranquil plaza]

hello

I am looking for python dev from india only

[timber dragon]

Not the server or channel for that, #rules 9

[rough pivot]

im so frustrated man

i cant understand it logically. i know its a way to get requests from the server/ send them and i know thats what the api is for but i want to know deeper than that and im not getting my answer wherever i go. youtube, AI, even here i cant fully grasp the concept of an API. it just feels like every explanation is vague and explains WHAT it is, but not HOW it works and WHY you should use it.

and if i see one more restaurant analogy i am going to lose it

[quick gust]

what do you mean by "how" it works?

[fast osprey]

Fam it's clear you are more interested in getting frustrated and complaining than actually engaging with the information people are giving you

it is not our responsibility to keep trying random words until we find the combination that works for you. It is your responsibility to engage, think through it, and ask targeted questions on the specific things you don't get

[rough pivot]

that is absolutely not what im trying to do at all.

this is very insensitive

im just stressed out man

ive been trying to learn for hours i am engaging it just isnt clicking

[fast osprey]

it's insensitive for you to take that out on people helping for free

[rough pivot]

im not taking it out on anyone?

im not blaming anyone?

im not saying its anyones fault that i dont get it

im grateful theyre helping. its just im bad at learning

i appreciate the time people take to help others and that doesnt mean i cant express the frustration im feeling

[fast osprey]

I'm not going to argue with you. But you're not going to get anywhere if all you do is express frustration

not once have you asked a clarifying question that demonstrates you're even trying to engage

[rough pivot]

that isnt an argument, im not arguing dude

[rough pivot]

🤦‍♂️

[rough pivot]

scroll up

[rough pivot]

.

[rough pivot]

.

if youve actually read what im saying, im not solely just complaining

“all im doing” is not just expressing frustration im literally trying my hardest to grasp the concept of an API.

[fast osprey]

im not arguing dude

argues

[rough pivot]

okay so we’re just brainless here

im blocking you, have a nice day

[fast osprey]

my feelings are hurt and my day is ruined

[finite salmon]

you want to know how an API works?

[rough pivot]

i guess, i understand the concept of an API and what it does. but i dont have an intuitive understanding of it or anything

[finite salmon]

did you try experimenting with an API yet..

[rough pivot]

i tried the website you gave me and i got very confused on what it was doing

could you maybe show me what its doing so i can understand it better?

[finite salmon]

what was confusing you about it

[rough pivot]

let me go back to it rq and ill tell you

[finite salmon]

lemme pull out microsoft paint

[rough pivot]

whats a curl?

[finite salmon]

curl is a CLI tool for making requests

you can use any library for making a request

[rough pivot]

wait wait

im slowly getting it

wait 1s

i see

[rough pivot]

i see

[finite salmon]

the second image, response body is the main data returned by the server (which is nothing here, idk what you did to do that), response header contains metadata returned by the server. What's metadata? metadata contains useful information about the host's properties like the type of encoding etc

[rough pivot]

i understood it now its because theres no facts that are 7 letters long, i put something like 70 and it worked

[finite salmon]

I see

[rough pivot]

so how does the api interract with the database?

dude this actually made me understand databases way better

they were so ambiguous

and vague

[finite salmon]

we don't know because the API is not open source, but it's most likey some SQL database

or mongo

[rough pivot]

well i mean like in general

so an API is a method right

you talk to the API and basically you give it arguments right

and then it uses those arguments on the database to give you what you want specifically

[finite salmon]

learn about SQL and python's SQLite library if you want to understand databases better

[finite salmon]

yes

[rough pivot]

so it would be like

give 3 cat facts

api: ok catfact(3)

api: hey database im going to select 3 random cat facts from you

database: ok

api: ok done

api: hey i got your 3 cat facts here you go

[finite salmon]

pretty much

[rough pivot]

basically my whole issue was i thouht it would be more convinent to just pull them out the database, but that can completely expose things that you werent meant to interract with

[rough pivot]

and also its much more complicated instead of just using an api which gets what you want for you

[finite salmon]

that's why it's called Application Interface (API), the API gives you an interface to work with it's database or of some sort

[rough pivot]

disambiguating what a database was solved 90% of my problem

[finite salmon]

databases itsef is a whole another topic of it's own

[rough pivot]

yes

i like understand it 75% now. i think if i want to know more then id have to experience an api more

[finite salmon]

This is the python equivalent of making the request

you'll have to pip install the requests library

[rough pivot]

cool

[livid brook]

bruh

im sturggling tryna debug fucking python

discord.py

so my main.py links in with my commands folder and all my commands

for some reason it's not working and i literally cant think of why

ive even tried asking another person and they dont know

maybe were both blind

or tired since it is late

[fast osprey]

We need more details than "it's not working"

[rustic pagoda]

In discord.py is there a way to make / commands only visible in one channel? I know I can make them just only work in one channel, but I want them to only appear on the tree at all in one channel on a guild

[fast osprey]

You can do that from the integrations menu in guild settings

(So not in code but in the UI itself)

[rustic pagoda]

Darn, that sucks. Thanks

[fast osprey]

?

it's super fast and easy to do, and way more maintainable than code

[stark ingot]

Technically you can do it via OAuth but that is out of scope for discord.py

[rustic pagoda]

Well wouldn't that mean every server owner would have to change it manually? I just thought it'd be more user friendly if the bot did it itself

[fast osprey]

But not every server has the same channels

Nor would every server necessarily want that behavior

[split scaffold]

hello guys can i automate a click in chrome using python ?

anyone

?

[merry cliff]

yes, but that's a topic unrelated to discord bots which is the focus of this channel.

you can do that with libraries such as selenium or playwright

[split scaffold]

sry in wrong channel

[narrow hazel]

Does anyone know anything about JSON files? I'm making a basic counting game where users input a count and increase the count by 1 each new message. If they say anything or it doesnt equal the number it gets removed.

  self.count_file = 'JSON_storage/counting.json'
    os.makedirs('JSON_storage', exist_ok=True)
    
  @commands.Cog.listener()
  async def on_message(self, message: discord.Message):
        if message.author.bot:
            return
        if message.channel.id == 1414445233814634679:
            print("MEssage sent to channel")
            try:
                with open('JSON_storage/counting.json', 'r', encoding='utf8') as f:
                    count = json.load(f)
            except FileNotFoundError:
                count = {"Count": 1}

            print(f"User sent: {message.content}, expecting: {count['Count']}")

            if message.content.isdigit():
                print(f"User sent: {message.content}, expecting: {count['Count']}")
                if int(message.content) == count["Count"]:
                    print("It did check if matched the count")
                    count["Count"] += 1
                    await message.add_reaction("✅")
                else:
                    print("Number mismatch!")
                    await message.add_reaction("❌")
                    d = await message.channel.send(
                        f"Hey {message.author.mention}, that's not the correct value. "
                        f"The value is ***{count['Count']}***"
                    )
                    await asyncio.sleep(5)
                    await d.delete()
            else:
                print(f"User sent NON-digit: {message.content}")
                await message.delete()

            with open('JSON_storage/counting.json', 'w', encoding='utf8') as f:
                json.dump(count, f, sort_keys=True, indent=4, ensure_ascii=False)```

I've been doing some basic debugging but I can't figure out what I did wrong that it doesnt create the count in the file and doesnt add it

im still new to JSONs and im trying to learn

[merry cliff]

what print messages are triggered when you attempt to start the count?

[narrow hazel]

only
if message.channel.id == 1414445233814634679:
print("MEssage sent to channel")

after that nothing happens

it does detect words that are not numbers and delete them as well

but it doesnt print anything

[merry cliff]

so nothing with the ```py
print(f"User sent: {message.content}, expecting: {count['Count']}")

[narrow hazel]

yeah it doesnt print that

maybe because the count doesnt exist

[merry cliff]

but then it should chuck an error

[narrow hazel]

wait could it be becuase im not checking if a count exists

like my other JSON

if user_id not in users:
                users[user_id] = {"name": user_name,"level": 0, "exp": 0}```

or no?

[merry cliff]

my best guess is that opening the file is blocking the async function

you could try to put the loading of the json file in a seperate function and calling it with asyncio.to_thread()

can you try putting a print statement under the with open place

[narrow hazel]

yeah

doing some more checks

[finite salmon]

Just don't use jsons at all

[narrow hazel]

I want to keep the count after the bot restarts so I got no choice

[finite salmon]

They are not a good databas for an async environment, just use a dedicated db like sqlite

[finite salmon]

You do have a choice

[narrow hazel]

I dont need to use a DB if Im not looking to scale

[finite salmon]

What

[narrow hazel]

its a personal bot on my personal server

JSONs work fine

[finite salmon]

It doesn't have to do anything with scaling, using jsons is just bad, use an async implementation of a database if you want to store data

[high kite]

JSON is pain in the butt, your program get stop for a second while json is being written, your json file get messed

[finite salmon]

There's very high chance of your json getting corrupted too

[narrow hazel]

using a DB means Im reliant on paying for storage or I have to learn SQL which I dont wanna do

[high kite]

vibe code the db part

[narrow hazel]

JSONs are simple and quick and I can see what goes on

[finite salmon]

You don't have to pay anyone

You can store it locally

[high kite]

you running the bot by writting run at the end right ?

can you send full script

[narrow hazel]

im using cogs

[high kite]

you running the cog ?

send the cog part

i mean

[finite salmon]

Bro will do anything but write good code

[narrow hazel]

what does that even mean

if you're gonna insult me for wanting to use what I know then I dont need you're help

[high kite]

stop the beef guys

[finite salmon]

Nah, I'm just giving you the recommended way to do stuff and you won't do it because you refuse to learn. It's upto you if you wanna do it or not. Just saying that if you continue using your method you'll end up facing even more problems down the road, it'd be in your best interest to fix it as soon as you can

[narrow hazel]

maybe I will but I've tried DBs they're complicated I hated using mongoDB and JSONs have proven to be more simple and reliable

So for now im using JSONs

[finite salmon]

Try SQLite and aiosqlite if you want to use it in your bot

[narrow hazel]

welp I cant figure it out right now so i'll move on, not a big deal since counting can work without the JSON

I'll just manually update the value if the bot restarts until then

[young dagger]

Can you add a persistent button to an ephemeral message?

I heard it's only possible with non-ephemeral messages

My idea was to wrap the button response in a try except (since it expires after 15 minutes). Is there a better way to handle it?

[narrow hazel]

I figured it out

Im so beyond dumb

So the
try:
except; was causing the data to be loaded without caring if it exists

I removed try and excepy and now it saved it

[young dagger]

Can you add timeout to ephemerals?

[obsidian mist]

Guys, i just made a simple discord bot. I made it for fun and now thinking if i can upgrade it even more.
https://kakashi-sensei.onrender.com/

Anyone have any idea ?

[narrow hazel]

Wdym

[young dagger]

I'm sending an interaction.followup.send with ephemeral=True and attaching a view (button). The issue is that the button in the view stop responding after 15 minutes

[narrow hazel]

Did you set a timeout to have it stop working after 15 minutes

[young dagger]

No

[young dagger]

ephemeral (bool) – Indicates if the message should only be visible to the user who started the interaction. If a view is sent with an ephemeral message and it has no timeout set then the timeout is set to 15 minutes.

You cannot keep it running for longer than that

[narrow hazel]

Just set the timeout = None

[young dagger]

It still times out after 15 minutes

Yes that is what I did

[burnt quiver]

yeah u can't do anything about that

[young dagger]

How can I handle it?

[fast osprey]

The whole purpose of ephemerals is to be temporary. If you don't want something temporary, don't send it ephemerally

[young dagger]

I want it to be private from others

[fast osprey]

Well that's just how ephemerals were designed, they go away quickly

[earnest cloud]

is there a "discord.py" bot or "d.py" for docs?

[fast osprey]

Could you rephrase what you're looking for?

The docs are fully searchable online

[gritty inlet]

Improved syntax for my webhook events wrapper

Hopefully I'm using this type hint correctly lol (No I don't care that there's no "T" in the name, maybe I'll change it but meh)

[timber dragon]

Banana

[gritty inlet]

Very secure

[narrow hazel]

recreate my punishment system I said, it'll be easy I said

[fast osprey]

json as a db

[narrow hazel]

my sever aint gonna be large so idc

[fast osprey]

It has nothing to do about size

[narrow hazel]

thats literally the only complaint that comes with using JSONs

[fast osprey]

It's not

[narrow hazel]

great argument

[fast osprey]

You're the one that made the lofty claim that size is the only problem with using json as a database

I didn't make an argument, I just corrected you

The lack of transactions and atomic reads/writes is a huge issue regardless of scale

[woeful hill]

Easily got into a race condition and then all your data gone

When writing a json file everything inside is cleared, and the whole new data is written into

If another activity that needs to use the json file happens when the last one is still writing, you are gonna have tough time

[gritty inlet]

Better save every x amount of time instead of saving dynamically

But better just switch to a real db

[narrow hazel]

again I dont have time or money to learn a whole new database

my server aint gonna be big and theres not enough activity worth doing all that

so no

[fast osprey]

I mean it's your choice, but if you're gonna talk about it in a public forum then be prepared for people to tell you how bad of an idea it is

If the afternoon to learn sqlite is more important to you than your data not randomly getting wiped out, that speaks volumes about how little you care about this project

[narrow hazel]

I dont have time or money to learn SQL I barely know discord.py

[fast osprey]

How do you know how long it's going to take? You conveniently have enough time to do everything else here except the thing that keeps your data from randomly getting wiped out?

[merry cliff]

SQL is not that hard to learn https://sqlbolt.com/

18 exercises covers more than you will need to know for a discord bot (most likely you dont need joins)

[merry cliff]

and its free

[gritty inlet]

This is for the best but you can also just learn the very basics from code examples

I don't completely agree with the idea of learning a course for every thing you use

[narrow hazel]

I've looked everywhere online and it says to host your sql db you're gonna pay

from articles I found, microsoft, reddit

if im gonna do all that i'd rather just go back to mongodb cuz at least they're easier to learn

[gritty inlet]

Sure they don't mean the simple fact that you need to have your db stored somewhere?

[fast osprey]

SQLite is just a file

Presumably you have files

[narrow hazel]

Huh? but the api worked?

no wonder their role wasn't getting added

been working on this for 2 hours

[gritty inlet]

[narrow hazel]

im not even sure why it was produced my content and embed combined only add up to 1400

probably just gonna go back to embeds cuz this api has caused more issues than it's worth

[gritty inlet]

What API

Are you talking about Components V2

[narrow hazel]

yeah

[gritty inlet]

The content length is a problem on your side mate

[narrow hazel]

im using a discord POST message API and a JSON to create it

This is the only content i have

[gritty inlet]

So maybe either of these variables was too long (shouldn't be), you should debug (or just print) to see the exact string when the problem happens

[narrow hazel]

🙃

[gritty inlet]

What is that

Guild name?

[narrow hazel]

status code of the api

[compact halo]

Guys what’s wrong with it?

[gritty inlet]

Show me the payload

[compact halo]

I did do everything right

[gritty inlet]

It tells you..

[compact halo]

Will I didn’t read that

Lmao ty

[narrow hazel]

payload?

[gritty inlet]

The json youre sending to the api

[narrow hazel]

ah

      body = {
      "flags": 32768,
      "components":[
   
    {
        "type": 17,
        "accent_color": None,
        "spoiler": False,
        "components": [
            {
                "type": 9,
                "accessory": {
                    "type": 11,
                    "media": {
                        "url": member.avatar.url
                    },
                    "description": None,
                    "spoiler": False
                },
                "components": [
                    {
                        "type": 10,
                        "content": f"Hey {member.mention} welcome to {member.guild.name}"
                    }
                ]
            },
            {
                "type": 14,
                "divider": True,
                "spacing": 1
            },
            {
                "type": 10,
                "content": f"We are at **{member.guild.member_count}** members"
            },
            {
                "type": 1,
                "components": [
                    {
                        "type": 2,
                        "style": 2,
                        "label": f"{member.guild.member_count}th Server Member",
                        "emoji": None,
                        "disabled": True,

                    }
                ]
            }
        ]
    }
]
}```

[gritty inlet]

Instead of printing just the status code, you can print the response text. The API tells you what the problem is

[narrow hazel]

oh can I?

[gritty inlet]

Yes

[narrow hazel]

didnt know that was a thing

[gritty inlet]

What http library are you using

[jovial ingot]

Zizzlewizard is a poop 💩

[gritty inlet]

Bruh

[compact halo]

tf is wrong now

[jovial ingot]

Also metal is pooopp

[gritty inlet]

You can probably click the button on the right to see full error

[narrow hazel]

not sure I imported requests

[compact halo]

Cant

[gritty inlet]

You shouldn't use requests, it's not asynchronous

[jovial ingot]

All of u ar poop

[compact halo]

Chill bro back to ur cave

[gritty inlet]

Hush

[jovial ingot]

And back to ur toilet

[compact halo]

Bro don’t make me racist we are here to learn

[jovial ingot]

Lol no

[compact halo]

Btw Golf sea is arabic

[jovial ingot]

K

[compact halo]

Now gtfo

@gritty inlet god help me

[narrow hazel]

im going back to embeds, im just gonna store V2 until python supports it

[gritty inlet]

Are you using discord.py

[narrow hazel]

yeah

[compact halo]

Tf is the best app for coding in iphone

[narrow hazel]

a PC

[compact halo]

0x3809b936e0018fbefd50f2c975aeaeb9623135ea

Buy me one

[deft portal]

w

[gritty inlet]

It supports components v2
You can refer to https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/interactions/api.html?highlight=layoutview#discord.ui.LayoutView

But they probably have code examples somewhere

[narrow hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-and-spell-toys-80s-80s-toys-gif-22258011

Here you go

[compact halo]

I swear this thing is better than iphone

[narrow hazel]

iphone? probably

[deft portal]

www

[narrow hazel]

everytime I use the discord.py docs it crashes my computer

literally only the discord.py docs it's so weird

everything else works fine

[narrow hazel]

Are you talking about something like this?

Cuz I tried the discord.ui.LayoutView a couple months ago and it said it wasn't supported

[compact halo]

Get android

[narrow hazel]

I have one, im using it to watch anime while I code

[compact halo]

Will 🔄

[gritty inlet]

Is this discord.builders? yeah you can use that

[narrow hazel]

yeah

[fast osprey]

LayoutView hasn't even existed for 2 months yet

[narrow hazel]

thats my point

it wasn't supported

[quick gust]

yeah that's right, it was added a month ago iirc

[narrow hazel]

ah okay i'll try again

[earnest cloud]

like d.js docs bot but python

[gritty inlet]

discord.js is a library
python is not a library

You need to know what you're using

[narrow hazel]

RIP

I also tried pycord

oh well back to embeds

[quick gust]

what version of discord.py are you on

[narrow hazel]

I think 3.11

[woeful hill]

discord.py not python

[narrow hazel]

2.5.2

[compact halo]

I need this tool but for instagram this’s insane

[narrow hazel]

never used instagram

[compact halo]

ez money actually

[woeful hill]

components cv2 support is on 2.6

[compact halo]

instagram + telegram u can make ez money from them

[narrow hazel]

yknow what that might do it

[narrow hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[compact halo]

They sell Usernames checker for a 100$ monthly

[compact halo]

No one needs a job anymore vro

If u make a 400$ in 4h I don’t need anything

[narrow hazel]

then buy a PC

[compact halo]

I need to pay for other things bro im living alone

[narrow hazel]

sounds like you need a ||job||

[compact halo]

Nah im good but idk how to handle my money

Im spending on everything

[narrow hazel]

Yknow what close enough, thanks everyone

finally rid that API

[compact halo]

Great

[narrow hazel]

There we go much better

I'll fill the empty space with a job application

[compact halo]

Put my name

[narrow hazel]

put your name where

[compact halo]

In the empty space

[narrow hazel]

yall think I should actually learn python?

I learned .py without actually learning the language

[finite salmon]

If you want to

[finite salmon]

We can see

[gritty inlet]

Man oh man is there a wrapper of sqlite that does not use string for actions 🥲 I feel like it makes it harder to learn and use

[finite salmon]

Check out orms like sqlalchemy

[gritty inlet]

Thought of asking that here since at this moment I'm migrating to it in my bot

[gritty inlet]

Define orm

[gritty inlet]

I don't like this whole "IF X IS Y THEN DO THIS" concept

[finite salmon]

Object relation mapper, it maps SQL syntax to programmitical (pythonic) objects and functions

[gritty inlet]

So I'm gonna assume there's one for sqlite as well?

[finite salmon]

Are you looking for non SQL databases?

[gritty inlet]

I don't know what I'm looking for. This is my first time using these things

[gritty inlet]

I mean to say I'd rather implement such thing using Python syntax and not a string instruction

[finite salmon]

ORMs make it so that it becomes database independent, it's compatible with many types of SQL dbs including SQLite and you don't need to change your code even if you change your db type

[gritty inlet]

Alright, guess I'll search on Pypi then, unless you know of a good one, I just wanted to use sqlite because of recommendations

[finite salmon]

Sqlalchemy

[gritty inlet]

I'll check it out, thanks

[narrow hazel]

got a new system in mind now that I learned this

[gritty inlet]

Oh I can definitely get used to this

Got it all to work

[narrow hazel]

User frogs

[gritty inlet]

Indeed

[narrow hazel]

Looks pretty much like how I do it aside from the mapping whatever that means

[young dagger]

So the problem is that the interaction token is only valid for 15 minutes. The timeout starts counting from the moment you click the button. After 15 minutes, when the timeout is triggered, it’s no longer possible to edit the button and it gives me this error Error during timeout: 401 Unauthorized (error code: 50027): Invalid Webhook Token

[timber dragon]

Indeed

But you can fetch the full message and edit that

Unless it's an ephemeral message

[young dagger]

It is an ephemeral message indeed

So there is no good way to use timeout for ephemeral messages?

[timber dragon]

Nope

Ephemeral messages can only be edited/deleted from an interaction

[young dagger]

My original idea was to disable the button when it hits timeout, but that’s not possible if the token has already expired

[timber dragon]

Set a timeout that's less than 15 mins?

14.3

[young dagger]

But if they click on it in between (example after 10 minutes) the timeout resets and it will be 10 + 14.3 minutes, which will overlap the token expiration

[young dagger]

^ This is the actual issue

[timber dragon]

Oh

So you want an absolute timeout

[young dagger]

If possible

[timber dragon]

But also, that'll be a new interaction

[young dagger]

How would you do that?

[timber dragon]

See https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/issues/9646#issuecomment-1806813704

Or I've also got a base view class where it's an option: https://gist.github.com/Soheab/cfd769870b7b6eaf00a7aebf5293a622

[gritty inlet]

Will using interaction.response.edit_message not work?

[young dagger]

Not if the token expires

[gritty inlet]

Ah so it's like that in ephemeral messages huh

[timber dragon]

You could also track the time yourself and check that and edit when exceeded

[timber dragon]

Well no, all interactions expire after 15 mins

[gritty inlet]

Sir I know sir
I said interaction.response.edit_message and he said it wouldn't work

[timber dragon]

But if it’s ephemeral, then you can't do anything with it without an interaction.

Otherwise, you could've fetched it and done whatever.

[gritty inlet]

I mean from the button interaction

[timber dragon]

Never understood "sir" lol

[gritty inlet]

Sir me too sir

[timber dragon]

Same thing for non component interactions

sir

iOS autocorrects "sir" to "die" 💀

[gritty inlet]

Damn

Anyway I meant to say if he plans to edit using the button, he can definitely use response.edit_message

But now I understand that he wants to edit the message in another way

[young dagger]

I just want to disable the button

[gritty inlet]

Might wanna just change this UX

[young dagger]

You can't edit it after 15 minutes

[gritty inlet]

Why not? Are you sure you know what the function I mentioned does?

It's different than edit_original_response

And as I said, this would only work with the button interaction,
so that's why I concluded this isn't what you need

[gritty inlet]

.

[timber dragon]

^^^

[timber dragon]

Both use the same interaction token

[gritty inlet]

Yep

[young dagger]

Sorry. This is all i have to do?

class VerifyButtonView(discord.ui.View):
    def __init__(self):
        super().__init__(timeout=None)

        # Absolute timeout to 10 minutes
        self._absolute_timeout_task = asyncio.create_task(self._absolute_timeout())

    async def _absolute_timeout(self):
        await asyncio.sleep(600)  # 10 minutes
        await self.on_timeout()
        self.stop()

    async def on_timeout(self):
        ....

[timber dragon]

A task instead of waiting hm

Looks good to me tho

[burnt quiver]

we love tasks

[young dagger]

Oh so it's better to use wait for in my case?

[timber dragon]

Not sure

Wait makes it wait x seconds and then executing the callback to stuff

Your impl executes the callback and then waits to do stuff

[young dagger]

Your way of doing it?

class VerifyButtonView(discord.ui.View):
    def __init__(self):
        super().__init__(timeout=None)

        # Absolute timeout of 10 minutes
        loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()

        def timeout_callback():
            self.stop()
            loop.create_task(self.on_timeout())

        loop.call_later(600, timeout_callback)

    async def on_timeout(self):
        ....

[timber dragon]

Yeah

[young dagger]

I guess I will stick to that

[young dagger]

self.stop() doesn’t stop the scheduled timeout. After verifying, it still times out the button

Should I use something like self._absolute_timeout.cancel() to cancel the timeout?

[timber dragon]

your custom timeout? yeah

the view doesn't know about that one so ofc it doesn't do anything to it

[young dagger]

Also prevent from flicker (double edit)

Hmh

[wheat current]

I need help with my discord bot pls dm me

[fast osprey]

Just ask your question here

[gritty inlet]

Ah yes the feeling of sitting down to think and write some corny ahh phrases (:

At least they're corny on purpose

[timber dragon]

I would just ask ai to come with 20 or so lol

[gritty inlet]

I thought of that but holy how corny it was

xD meh, it wasn't so painful to think of them myself

[timber dragon]

Lmaoo

[finite salmon]

sigma

[young dagger]

@timber dragon Thanks. Here is the result

[gritty inlet]

I think the second embed has some unnecessary text. Personally I'd use a container and add accessory link button to each step

Also "in about" is just odd, why not tell the exact time?

[stark ingot]

Do you have a check to make sure that the icon that they have to change it to is not the current icon of the user?

[young dagger]

Of course

[gritty inlet]

Does Riot not have Ouath?

Wouldn't that be enough of a verification

🤔

[young dagger]

You need a production key for that

[gritty inlet]

💸💸💸?

I get you

[young dagger]

Just a different type of application

[gritty inlet]

Ah so it's not that much of an issue (:

[young dagger]

Do you think this version is better?

[gritty inlet]

I'd remove the last field. It's obvious

And I would put the "the session..." as footer

[fast osprey]

I'd wager that getting a production key once and doing an oauth is less work than making your users do this convoluted old school profile juggling

[gritty inlet]

It's more reliable as well

[fast osprey]

"Hey change your icon to match mine for this game"

[tawny anchor]

How does your embed looks like this? Do you use vencord or any type of that sh1?

[finite salmon]

components v2

https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/master/examples/views/layout.py
https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/master/examples/views/embed_like.py

You can check these examples

[tawny anchor]

Thank you sir

[tawny anchor]

components v2 persistent view is possible?

[fast osprey]

Yes

Your bot still gets interactions the same way

[low harbor]

How can i do that?

[fast osprey]

It works the exact same way as a regular view. LayoutView inherits from View

[young dagger]

It’s actually still a good way to keep spam accounts out

[narrow hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

[narrow hazel]

Now we need a tutorial for the new modals

[stark ingot]

There is not really much different about them. There are a few new components but they are quite simple. Is there anything in specific that you dont understand?

[narrow hazel]

Finally learning the basics

hope yall are happy

[merry cliff]

...

[narrow hazel]

to keep it related to discord bots im working on this new command

[woeful hill]

Beside inconsistent formatting for more readability, why is the bot dming people

[narrow hazel]

wdym inconsistent theres no other way to write this

[woeful hill]

There are indeed many ways to write an app

But im not talking about that

[narrow hazel]

wdym then

[woeful hill]

The formatting

[narrow hazel]

I think it's fine 👉 👈

[woeful hill]

2 spaces mixed with 4
No new line separating things - everything is jammed
Class name should not be in all lowercase

The code you sent is hard to read

[narrow hazel]

I dont like camal case

and discord.py is super picky about spaces and uppcase for commands so I just write in all lower case

I used to do camal case for discord.JS

tho honestly its fine I can read whats going on

[merry cliff]

kid named linter

[narrow hazel]

I use functions and class names to determine where stuff is

[woeful hill]

Its readable for you because you wrote it

But what if you come back after like a week

Will you remember whats going on

[narrow hazel]

yeah

and I wrote this a couple days ago

[finite salmon]

Pascal casing for classes and snake case for variable and function names

That's the python standard

You can read PEP8 to know the complete style guide of python

And use a formatter tool like ruff to autoformat everything for you

[narrow hazel]

Will look into it

[narrow hazel]

python should be more like JS and just stop being picky about indents

[woeful hill]

its not, the code you shared is just inconsistent

make it easier to make a mistake because you don't know if you are using 2 spaces or 4 spaces this time

[narrow hazel]

it is, it wont work if you dont indent it correctly

JS you can have inconsistent indents and it wouldnt matter

[coral flicker]

I would still reject a JS pull request with inconsistent indents

[narrow hazel]

let me see if I have any of my old JS discord bots

It wasn't as bad as I thought actualy

[woeful hill]

?

this is consistent

everything is indented nicely with 2 spaces

actually your js code is pretty nicely formatted

why don't you apply it to py

[narrow hazel]

I worked with other people to make it + thet sent me sections

[finite salmon]

I can't imagine how much worser your code would be if it let you be even more inconsistent than you already are

Even then python is still lenient with how much spaces per tab it allows, as long as you use the same amount of spaces/tab under each code block. It considers it valid. This allows you to have different number of spaces in different code blocks (which is what you're doing)

[woeful hill]

its just how interpreted language works, same indent level = same block of code

[coral flicker]

Thats not related to it being interpeted

[runic valve]

hello im new to python

[woeful hill]

well, thats how indentation works ig

better to say

[finite salmon]

Hello

[runic valve]

why chatgpt doesnt want to learn me how to steal discord tokens with python?

im kinda sad

i got hacked like this once and im curious

[woeful hill]

because its against tos

[runic valve]

i just wanna know how it works not to use it

[woeful hill]

i want to know how to do a crime to not do a crime

[runic valve]

btw can i use python for in hacking

[finite salmon]

You can use any language for anything including hacking

[woeful hill]

#cybersecurity

[runic valve]

what if i wanna make some to hack ingames

[woeful hill]

thats cheating

[runic valve]

alr then cheat

is python even useful for it

[finite salmon]

Read the server rules, we don't help with illegal stuff

[woeful hill]

you wont get much help then, due to in most case cheating is illegal

[runic valve]

i just wanna know how it works so in future i can help with anticheats or something

[finite salmon]

Google is your best friend because we still can't help you

[runic valve]

oh okay

[woeful hill]

same excuse

[runic valve]

every cheater had to cheat to know how anticheats work

[woeful hill]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

so you identify yourself as a cheater then

[runic valve]

nah rn im noone, but i wanna learn it

im nobody rn

i only learn basics like how to read files modify them, use some loops, little tkinter but i wanna see what pyqt is

i mean how to read files with python

and pyqt for guis