discord-bots

[last cradle]

yuh

[stark ingot]

With some of the new laws popping up I think it could be very possible

[finite salmon]

i was talking about discord dev policy like infernum said just to be clear

[dry lodge]

how does shards work?

[merry cliff]

its like running multiple instances of the bot so that one instance of it isn't handling every single request, it's mainly good for large bots that get lots of traffic

[dry lodge]

so is the shards thing custom? like do i have to code that into my bot

[merry cliff]

It's only mandated by discord once your bot reaches 2500 guilds, but libraries such as discord.py support custom implementations. They also have built in solutions but I've never personlly used them

and the docs say that "It is recommended to use this client only if you have surpassed at least 1000 guilds."

[gritty inlet]

In discord.py, your bot uses AutoShardedClient by default. So unless you want to get advanced, you don't really need to implement anything

[fast osprey]

AutoSharded is not a default, that is very much a conscious decision

[gritty inlet]

Oh I thought it was default, my bad

[dusk pelican]

So from reading the docs, if your robot is connected to +2500 guilds, it is commonly hard to handle all these events with one connected socket. So discord allows to shard, one shard is a gateway connection and kinda routes the events to guilds 1-5 and another shard is routes the events to guild 6-20 as an example. This is to scale your bot and make it more efficient. So to sum it up, sharding is like to have multiple gateway connection to handle the events from multiple guilds your robot is connected. Hopefully this is well explained, I am open to feedback and corrections

[fast osprey]

That's correct yeah

[dusk pelican]

learning about the concept of "cog". Really nice implementation to write clean code and modularize code, Astonishing!

[fast osprey]

Cogs have nothing to do with files

[vale wing]

Ye it's nice when you're beginner and you get to organising that 5k lines monstrosity you had (at least that's how it went for me 😅)

[dusk pelican]

I made an event on_member_join(member) that takes the parameter member. https://docs.nextcord.dev/en/stable/api.html#nextcord.on_member_join

Really nice to read and learn

[gritty inlet]

Personally I just import command funcs from other files to the main. What are the benefits of using cogs? (genuinely asking)

[shrewd apex]

command grouping, cog level handlers like on load, disabling a whole group of commands by just removing that cog, error handler, checks, some group command/group cogs are also present now (basically it's the utilities that come with cogs thats invoked internally by the library is whats helpful)

[gritty inlet]

alright

I think I'll stick with importing funcs for now

[fast osprey]

It really depends what you're importing. You can utilize extensions without making a cog

[gritty inlet]

I import the funcs that take discord.Interaction

I handle checks either manually or with decorator

[fast osprey]

I mean any function can take an interaction 🤔

[gritty inlet]

Yea ur right, I'm talking about command functions in particular

[fast osprey]

You don't need to import to add commands to your command tree

That's one of the main points of extensions

[gritty inlet]

Ik, I have them in different files to not have a big mess

Unless you meant something else

[fast osprey]

You don't need to directly import to use other files, either. That's what extensions are for

[gritty inlet]

[dusk pelican]

I have a small but Important question. Does enabling all intents influence performance on the bot, so always enabling intents that are needed and used?

[shrewd apex]

idt they are using extensions, they are probably loading the commands/functions in manually?

are you using load_extension and have a setup function defined?

[fast osprey]

Yes, it influences performance. There's no reason to request intents you're not using

[dusk pelican]

yes I do that now. I have a cog folder and there is a py file called events

[shrewd apex]

was meant for serverit :p

[dusk pelican]

sry

[shrewd apex]

np

[gritty inlet]

No, I just import the func and call it lol

@bot.tree.command(...)
async def whatever(x)
   await importedfunc(x)```

[fast osprey]

I don't think they're using extensions, I'm suggesting that they should

[gritty inlet]

Mhm

[dusk pelican]

also a concept, advantages and disadvantages?

[shrewd apex]

oh yeah you should use extensions/cogs

[gritty inlet]

Idk it's what I've done since I started using dpy

[gritty inlet]

Perhaps when I make a new bot lmao

I'll check it out

Is there a helper function for Template in dynamic items or do I gotta memorize the basics of Regex xd

[shrewd apex]

well i wouldn't say it as an advantage but in a sense this impl abstracts all command logic to different files and leaves only all the command interfaces/contracts in one main file so maybe easier to browse list of commands from code lol?

[gritty inlet]

Yea I group my commands in files by category

[shrewd apex]

you need to define the template by yourself

[gritty inlet]

Yeeeep

Would be funny if I find out there's a better way to do this

🫠

[shrewd apex]

recursion

[fast osprey]

[dusk pelican]

I dont understand this to be honest but maybe I am beginner in discord api

[gritty inlet]

It's to get command mention

</cmd:id>

[shrewd apex]

i dont either

[gritty inlet]

mention is just a name i gave it

[shrewd apex]

why do u need it tho

[gritty inlet]

Idk so far I've used it here and there

[fast osprey]

!d discord.app_commands.AppCommand.mention

[unkempt canyon]

discord.app\_commands.AppCommand.mention

property mention```
Returns a string that allows you to mention the given AppCommand.

[dusk pelican]

maybe cogs are the best way to handle all the code and modularize I dont know

take and use what is given and make something with it.

[gritty inlet]

so interaction.command.mention? 🤔

Wow I'm stupid

[fast osprey]

Easy to miss stuff with how big the api is

[dusk pelican]

good to know that a group of many people contribute to the libraries and update it

I could not make it myself to be honest

[gritty inlet]

Was also wondering, am I supposed to define on_message once and then call whatever funcs in it? or

[shrewd apex]

dosent the interaction.command return app_commands.Command object? does that have mention too?

!d discord.app_commands.Command

[unkempt canyon]

discord.app\_commands.Command

class discord.app_commands.Command(*, name, description, callback, nsfw=False, parent=None, guild_ids=None, allowed_contexts=None, allowed_installs=None, auto_locale_strings=True, extras=...)```
A class that implements an application command.

These are usually not created manually, instead they are created using one of the following decorators...

[dusk pelican]

To be correct, the gateway and the api are two separate things. I can use one and another to communicate with discord

[gritty inlet]

Each one has a different purpose

[dusk pelican]

got it

[gritty inlet]

You can also make bots that don't use gateway

[shrewd apex]

• gateway is how discord communicates with your bot
• the api is how your bot communicates or performs some action with discord

[gritty inlet]

Also called HTTP bots

But it'd use a similar concept

Because it's still events

[fast osprey]

Two separate objects; Command is just a local representation with the callback whereas AppCommand is the metadata including what discord tracks (like the id)

[gritty inlet]

How do I get AppCommand from interaction object

Can I?

[fast osprey]

You can fetch the commands from discord

[gritty inlet]

Well I'd rather cache them on startup than sending request each time

[fast osprey]

!d discord.app_commands.CommandTree.fetch_commands

[unkempt canyon]

discord.app\_commands.CommandTree.fetch\_commands

await fetch_commands(*, guild=None)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

Fetches the application’s current commands.

If no guild is passed then global commands are fetched, otherwise the guild’s commands are fetched instead...

[gritty inlet]

I'll just simplify my method to use command.mention I guess

I take the ids from tree sync

[dusk pelican]

do the libraries cache some informations like channel id, role id, user id to not always send requests and slow down the performance?

[fast osprey]

This works but you don't need to sync constantly

[gritty inlet]

Nah only on on_ready

[fast osprey]

That's the worst place you could be doing it

[gritty inlet]

Also is it fine to use bot.loop.create_task

Or am I not supposed to

[fast osprey]

bot.loop isn't documented and you don't need it when asyncio.create_task exists

[gritty inlet]

fair

[gritty inlet]

So I may just put it at global level ig

[shrewd apex]

just make a one time task

[fast osprey]

You should only be syncing when you need to, which is something you as a developer decide not the application

[gritty inlet]

Yea on startup

Well that's generic

[shrewd apex]

some stuff is cached but it may be unreliable or a cache hit may miss so you should always fallback and make a request if the cache returns None

[fast osprey]

Would hard disagree except in the case of sharding and referencing things between guilds

[dusk pelican]

I have currently a cog folder and there is a py file called events. If someone can evaluate this: ```py
import nextcord
from nextcord.ext import commands

class Events(commands.Cog):
def init(self, bot: commands.Bot):
self.bot = bot

@commands.Cog.listener()
async def on_member_join(self, member: nextcord.Member):
    await self.bot.get_channel(1405632225063600208).send(content=f"A new Member joined <@{member.id}>. Welcome to the server and have a nice stay!")

def setup(bot: commands.Bot):
bot.add_cog(Events(bot))

[shrewd apex]

how would you know if some object is cached or not? you would still need to check the cache if its present?

[fast osprey]

I'd ask for what the case is when that object isn't cached and 99.9% of the time that's a development mistake and not an expected event

[shrewd apex]

hence like

user = bot.get_user(...) or await bot.fetch_user(...) # fallback 

[gritty inlet]

Different use cases I'd say

Because fetch gives you more data doesn't it

Anyway I never experienced cache failing

[fast osprey]

There's I think one case where it gives you more (user banners)

[shrewd apex]

like prior to the chunking and cache has been entirely populated?

[fast osprey]

From experience, everyone who's trying to access the cache prior to chunking is doing is accidentally and not by design

[shrewd apex]

hmm fair enough ig i still prefer having the fallback just in case

[gaunt osprey]

hi

[fast osprey]

The main issue with the fallback is that in a vast majority of cases, it's due to a coding mistake and rather than fixing it people eat into their rate limits and performance (silently)

[shrewd apex]

hmm i usually have these in my command bodies so for most part i should be good but yeah maybe log a warning statement next time

[fast osprey]

If people log when the fallback happens and commit to digging into it, sure, but I have yet to see someone do that

[gritty inlet]

I might finally have usage for /applications/detectable lol

Was thinking about making a bot mainly for finding "teammates" for games you play, and caching games' app ids is something I might do

[shrewd apex]

yeah lol usually the rate limit isn't a concern for smaller bots and idt the fallback is triggered unless someone messes with cache or does something weird which is rare too

[gritty inlet]

But it depends
For game info, I might just use the external API that Discord themselves use
or I can get game description from applications/id/rpc

Not such a big deal

I have many ideas for that bot but might not do it because it'd be absolutely useless if not enough people use it 🫠 not the first time I abandon something for that reason lol

[shrewd apex]

mhm

[radiant shuttle]

Is there a way to optimise how embeds look in mobile discord ? It’s different in pc and mobile

[fast osprey]

Not sure what you mean by "optimise"

Your options are fairly limited though, it's really just the fields on the Embed object that the libraries give you

[radiant shuttle]

I mean make it look the same in every device

Tablet pc and mobile

[fast osprey]

All you can do is specify the parameters given to you. If discord renders them differently, that's discord's choice/fault

[turbid karma]

could send an image but that will be heavy and make no sense

[radiant shuttle]

True

[vagrant depot]

Can someone explain to me difference between
for guilds in bot.guilds:
and
for guild in bot.guilds:

[quick gust]

? literally no difference except the variable name

[vagrant depot]

Oh wait it isn’t a keyword

Yeah mb.

I just @vagrant depot

[gritty inlet]

All good

[gritty inlet]

This should be better

😄

Plus this

If I want to use variables from bot.py in an ext cog, would I import them normally or would I do bot.x = ... and then use the bot in the cog?

[fast osprey]

How are you using it in your extension?

[gritty inlet]

In the command, I may use some variables obviously

[fast osprey]

You can use interaction.client to get the bot object. You don't need the cog to store it

But either works

[gritty inlet]

Would you recommend it over importing?

interaction.client.x vs from bot import x

[fast osprey]

I'd recommend the former

[sick birch]

if you have a bot subclass then interaction.client requires a bit more typing

otherwise your type checker may not pick up extra stuff you've added onto it

[gritty inlet]

Well that var will show as Any

ah wait

I do subclass the bot
So I shouldnt do bot.x but rather self.x inside the subclass?

[woeful hill]

how do you use bot.x if youre subclassing the bot itself 🤔

[gritty inlet]

instance

I subclass ext.AutoShardedBot

[woeful hill]

self.x is the current class' attribute x
bot.x is (whatever the bot instance is)'s attribute x

[gritty inlet]

Also should I turn this on xD

General question

[woeful hill]

when youre subclassing Bot, you don't have access to the instance

so youre question doesnt make sense

[gritty inlet]

Yea I mean at global level

[woeful hill]

self.x is not at global level

[gritty inlet]

Actually nvm would be irrelevant wouldnt it

[burnt quiver]

can help to prevent bugs

[gritty inlet]

I know, bot.x is

[woeful hill]

so why are you asking if you should use bot.x or self.x

[gritty inlet]

nvm youre right

ty

[stark ingot]

I am enjoying making my bot without cogs

Extensions only

[gritty inlet]

What should be in the extension file for it to work?

Just command def?

[fast osprey]

can be whatever you want. An extension is only a module that's given a reference to your bot object

[gritty inlet]

So load extension takes whatever funcs or classes (that take bot object) that it finds there?

[fast osprey]

all load_extension does is import the file and run the setup function

[gritty inlet]

Ah so I'll still need to have a single class that holds everything in the ext?

[fast osprey]

no

[gritty inlet]

Im sorry if I ask stupid questions but I just wanna be sure

[fast osprey]

an extension can have 0 classes or 100 classes just fine

the only requirement is that it has a top level setup function that takes in the bot. Anything else is entirely up to you

[gritty inlet]

Alrighty

I think I'll use Cogs

[gritty inlet]

await bot.tree.sync() returns app_commands.AppCommand, right?
Well then can I access children of that command?
There's AppCommand.mention but that's just mention of top level, and I need of all other levels too...

[timber dragon]

AppCommand is the API object and the api puts subcommands/groups in .options

So you'll need to parse it from there

[sick birch]

it returns a list of appcommands

[gritty inlet]

Yea meant that

[timber dragon]

Or you could use an implementation like the following that handles the caching for you and has a method called find_mention_for that can get all levels deep

https://gist.github.com/LeoCx1000/021dc52981299b95ea7790416e4f5ca4

[gritty inlet]

Or I'll do this and pray that it works

xD

[timber dragon]

🤢

Why is the dict named like a constant

And why is that a private method like someone is not supposed to call it

[shrewd apex]

thats an insane reaction 💀

yo 2.6.0 is out

with v2 components support

[stark ingot]

In the setup function is use, bot.add_application_command(callback_function)

[gritty inlet]

im doing my best xD

[gritty inlet]

hopefully this doesnt deserve any 🤢s

[shrewd apex]

its fine lol everyone goes through a learning phase

don't take it so seriously

[timber dragon]

^

[brazen raft]

A new version of discord.py just dropped

[gritty inlet]

Bout time ✌🏻

[acoustic torrent]

any1 know if its against discord tos to store message data in a database? I would look it up but i dont want to

[stark ingot]

It can be if you don't follow the rules

[fast osprey]

You should read the tos you've agreed to. It's your responsibility if you're handling people's data

[acoustic torrent]

but like, im doing it for educational purposes or something

" including the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and the ePrivacy Directive, the UK General Data Protection Regulation, Brazil’s Lei Geral de Proteção de Dados (LGPD), the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA), and the California Privacy Rights Act (CPRA). You will provide and adhere to a privacy policy for your Application that is compliant with applicable privacy laws and clearly, accurately, and fully describes to users of your Application what data you collect, how you use and share such data with us and third parties, and how users can request deletion of such data. For the avoidance of doubt, how you use data includes how you access, collect, store, retain, transmit, share, and otherwise process it. You may only use API Data in accordance with your privacy policy, applicable laws and regulations, and the Terms. You agree that your privacy policy may not and will not supersede, modify, or be inconsistent with the Terms, which will supersede if there is any conflict or inconsistency with your privacy policy. You will maintain publicly available, up-to-date links to your privacy policy in the Developer Portal and make it easily accessible to users from your Application."

Is the tos I dont know what these countries laws are and im really not feeling spending a year to research it

[grave sandal]

GDPR is a practical act with various principles. Mainly you don't collect any more information from people than is necessary and lawful, and anything you do collect, people have the right to access and see that you have, and have the right to request that it be erased from your application, also obviously informing and consenting to having personal information collected too. I don't think just collecting messages on discord and saving them without peoples consent is very lawful, and there can be a lot of personal information in messages with what people share online, where they generally don't expect someones bot to be saving them. If you want to save messages for educational purposes then do it in a server with your friends and tell them you're doing it, or do it in your own server, or have people opt into it and be very clear about it.

Apply the golden rule and it's easy, don't do with other peoples data what you wouldn't want done with yours.

[toxic coral]

anybody willing to help me with making a bot?

i tried making one and it was going alright until i reached my message limit on chatgpt 🥀

[dusk pelican]

I would sugggest you use chatpgt if you already know the library and the language itself. Chatgpt is not bad as always said for coding help, but you need to understand the code line by line otherwise it makes no sense to work with chatgpt

[toxic coral]

i just started about 2 days ago bc i got influenced, i dont really know anything about coding

[dusk pelican]

interesting

[toxic coral]

i would use chatgpt consistently but it always finds one way to mess up like it did for me tonight and then the message limits dont help either, i have to wait until 2:51 or something tmr morning

to be able to send the next message in that chat that has all of the past questions and steps its given me

thats why i asked if someone could help me bc i know exactly what i want it to do i just dont have the brain power to put it in place

id love to learn tho

[dusk pelican]

yes goood

[toxic coral]

but where is the question

[shrewd apex]

https://fallendeity.github.io/discord.py-masterclass give this a read

[toxic coral]

i will thanks

[dusk pelican]

hey asher, I am currently working on an approach myself

[shrewd apex]

with regards to?

[dusk pelican]

with regards to the gateway. I looked into discord.py github and they use a library called aiohttp

the library has a built in websocket

[shrewd apex]

right

[dusk pelican]

so far my console prints out this: {'t': None, 's': None, 'op': 10, 'd': {'heartbeat_interval': 41250, '_trace': ['["gateway-prd-arm-us-east1-b-qr22",{"micros":0.0}]']}}

[toxic coral]

do you know if pycharm would work? thats what ive been using so far idk if theres a difference between whats on that and pycharm

[shrewd apex]

ide makes no difference

[dusk pelican]

use pycharm I am using it too

[toxic coral]

ok thanks a lot

[dusk pelican]

jetbrains makes good products

[toxic coral]

yea thats what ive heard

[gritty inlet]

I'd recommend VSCode with Python extensions

[dusk pelican]

vscode also good

[shrewd apex]

yeah thats an event from the gateway in your case it is op: 10, which stands for HELLO

[gritty inlet]

Internal stuff which you shouldn't care about xD

[dusk pelican]

yes, but there is much more to do in order to remain a connection

[gritty inlet]

Of course there is

[dusk pelican]

sending an identify payload and maybe make a background process to send heartbeats to say discord I am alive

[shrewd apex]

when you get the HELLO subsequently you are supposed to send a heartbeat every heatbeat interval, thats what tells discord ur bot is alive and online

[dusk pelican]

indeed, my thought is to make a thread just for the heartbeat or is this not a good approach?

[shrewd apex]

you are supposed to yeah, otherwise it would block

you can use create_task

[dusk pelican]

thanks, I am so hyped for this. But just a reminder, it is just an approach not to make a library

[shrewd apex]

cool :)

[gritty inlet]

You want to change the lib's logic 🤔

[dusk pelican]

no

[shrewd apex]

its just learning by implementing

[gritty inlet]

[shrewd apex]

good approach to have

as long as you dont keep reinventing the wheel, and work on ur own stuff too

[dusk pelican]

the discord api so extreme, discord.py has +400 contributors

and the maintainer danny is a hobby programmer

so look what humans are capable of making

[gritty inlet]

If you want you can have a look at the internal modules discord.gateway and discord.http

To see more of the gateway logics

[dusk pelican]

thanks

[young dagger]

Where can I find the changelog?

[shrewd apex]

https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/whats_new.html#v2-6-0

[young dagger]

Thanks

[junior breach]

hello there

i made a bot that checks messages for user IDs

and apparently it doesnt work for forwarded messages

[stark ingot]

Forwarded messages do not have any content, you should check in the message snapshots.

There are various other things that would not work if you only check the content. Such as embeds and components

[junior breach]

wait so

they dont work like normal messages

ok lemme check smth

thanks

ah yeah i see now

[stark ingot]

No, forwards are a message that contains another message (but only some not all of the data is there)

👍

[junior breach]

i see

so to fetch a part from a forwarded message (like an user ID for example), id have to utilize message.snapshots instead of the normal message.content right?

[stark ingot]

Yes

[junior breach]

to the docs we go

[wanton seal]

uh so

im unable to get username from id

bot.get_user(user_id_input).display_name

i get this error

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'display_name'

[dusk pelican]

@shrewd apex so far I have this. I am not sure if this is a right approach. did I use create_task() correctly, is it that what you meant? ```py
async def sending_heartbeat(ws, interval):
await ws.send_json(HEARTBEAT_PAYLOAD)
await asyncio.sleep(interval/1000)

async def main():
session = aiohttp.ClientSession()
async with session.ws_connect(url="wss://gateway.discord.gg") as websocket:
hello_event = await websocket.receive_json()
interval = hello_event["d"]["heartbeat_interval"]
print(hello_event)
asyncio.create_task(sending_heartbeat(websocket, interval))
await websocket.send_json(IDENTIFY_PAYLOAD)
while True:
response = await websocket.receive_json()
print(response)

asyncio.run(main())

[fast osprey]

get_x methods will return None when that item wasn't found in cache. You're looking for a userid your bot can't see

[gritty inlet]

Means user isn't cached

You'll need to use await bot.fetch_user(...) which is an API call

[fast osprey]

A vast majority of the time you should be fixing why it's not in the cache rather than trying to fetch

[gritty inlet]

What would you need to do tho 🤔 I don't think this ever happened to me

[fast osprey]

The most common reasons for this are

• You're passing in something that's not a valid id (like a string), which you should fix
• You're not subscribed to the relevant intents, which you should fix
• You're trying to access the cache before it's populated (ex during startup), which you should fix

[gritty inlet]

I'd assume there'd be a ValueError for 1st one

[fast osprey]

nope, it just returns None

[gritty inlet]

TypeError*

[gritty inlet]

Alright

[dusk pelican]

can I say that discord has for every object user, channel, server, message ... an exact id?

[gritty inlet]

Oh wait I'll need member intent for caching users

Yeah that makes sense

[gritty inlet]

Yes

Btw your id is more than just a number

[dusk pelican]

further?

[gritty inlet]

Timestamp, worker ID, process ID, increment

[dusk pelican]

in one id?

[gritty inlet]

Yes, the timestamp being how you know when a user created their account btw (: since it's not in the /users/id response

[dusk pelican]

nice, I need to read about it, but also for me it is a little bit complicated. The id's are called snowflakes if I have it

right

[gritty inlet]

Yes

[fast osprey]

How the snowflakes are generated is entirely an implementation detail as you will never be making one yourself. All that matters really is that they're globally unique

[dusk pelican]

ah ok got it. so no double id everything on discord app is a unique id that refers to an object?

[gritty inlet]

Any idea why there's string in the API?

Always wondered

[gritty inlet]

Yes

[dusk pelican]

interesting

[gritty inlet]

As a matter of fact discord.Object(id=...) uses this concept

Well obviously everything uses that concept, but yeah

[dusk pelican]

well done discord!

[gritty inlet]

You'll need to use Object when for example passing guild to, let's say, sync() (iirc)

but yeah that's unrelated to the api directly, just a dpy implementation

Quick question, what method in guild object uses this request?

In dpy

[wanton seal]

Oh... I don't actually even know how a user gets cached

[wanton seal]

okay thank you I'll try that tomorrow

[glad cradle]

the Object class is useful in methods that require you to pass objects that represent discord models, in some places instead of passing a whole object the library allows you to pass an Object instead, saving you from retrieving the full object from cache or from the API

that's the main reason why that class exist

[fast osprey]

this is "chunking" afaik, when you get all of the members in a server

[gritty inlet]

[wanton seal]

why not fetch if it works?

[gritty inlet]

So the cached guild.members is unrelated then, good

[gritty inlet]

Because it's slower and you don't want to send requests too often

[glad cradle]

yes that's correct

[wanton seal]

ah haven't yet personally experienced slow being much of an issue

[glad cradle]

mosf of the ratelimits normal bots experience are coming from channels and messages related operations

[gritty inlet]

(in the past i was testing like a dummy and was hitting PUT /commands (sync) too often)

((:

Never got another rate limit besides that

[glad cradle]

iirc that endpoint has 1d ratelimit

most likely you always sinced instead of doing it only when needed?

[timber dragon]

That's Guild.query_members

[gritty inlet]

Nahh

[gritty inlet]

No i was just turning the bot on and off fast 😭

And I have sync on startup

[glad cradle]

I mean by doing that you are sincing every time you start it up again

[gritty inlet]

yea

[glad cradle]

There is a global rate limit of 200 application command creates per day, per guild

[gritty inlet]

Is there a check decorator for @discord.ui.button(...) ?

Like @app_commands.check(...) but for ui items' callback

[glad cradle]

!d discord.ui.Button.interaction_check

[unkempt canyon]

discord.ui.Button.interaction\_check

await interaction_check(interaction, /)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

A callback that is called when an interaction happens within this item that checks whether the callback should be processed.

This is useful to override if, for example, you want to ensure that the interaction author is a given user...

[glad cradle]

ig you could write a custom decorator

[gritty inlet]

So this happens by default?

[glad cradle]

yes, unfortunately the ui decorator doesn't let you pass a function for the Interaction check

[gritty inlet]

So I'll need to re-def it?

[glad cradle]

so you either subclass the Button class and override the Interaction_check method or make a custom decorator that lets you override the Interaction_check by just passing a function

[gritty inlet]

like what, discord.ui.Button.interaction_check = custom ?

[glad cradle]

nuh uh

[gritty inlet]

ah for that item specifically

[glad cradle]

yeah, I'd go for the custom decorator

[gritty inlet]

How'd the custom decorator override that tho

[glad cradle]

I mean you could do that but that's monkey patching the lib at that point which I don't reccommend because if you forget that you are overriding the Interaction_check for every possible button in your code base you might think that there's a bug

[gritty inlet]

yuh

For commands I can just set a global bot.tree.check which is a big clutch

[glad cradle]

it would look like

async def foo(inter):
    ...

@button(..., check=foo)
async def callback(...):
    ...

ideally

[gritty inlet]

oh a whole new button decorator..

is it

Would rather make a separate decorator just for check, if possible

[fast osprey]

You could also just put that in the body of the callback

[gritty inlet]

That's what I do rn

Would rather have a decorator or such tho

[fast osprey]

why?

[young dagger]

Is it necessary if you use ephemeral?

I doubt it

[glad cradle]

oh true

but it's ugly

[glad cradle]

interaction_check is not used only to check if the author of the Interaction is also the command executor yk

that's the most common usecase tho

[gritty inlet]

I don't have a real good reason besides syntax.

Ok I see now, I can make a decorator for the whole subclass

Then it can override interaction check

[fast osprey]

or you could just implement interaction_check?

you don't need a decorator to do that

[gritty inlet]

Which would be doing item.interaction_check = custom within every item subclass?

[fast osprey]

no, implemented on the view class itself

then it will apply that check to all interactions on that view

[gritty inlet]

So this but with view class?

[fast osprey]

by implementing it on the class itself

not stapling a method onto it

[gritty inlet]

How's that done, I just don't understand from this

[fast osprey]

class MyView(ui.View):
  ...
  async def interaction_check(self, interaction):
    return True #logic goes here

[gritty inlet]

Ahh oops alright then

But nah I don't want to just put it there in every view xD

Anyway this isn't a big deal

[fast osprey]

So all of your views apply this check?

You can declare a parent view class and have these other views inherit it

[gritty inlet]

It's a very generic check so I'd want that yeah

using subclassing?

[fast osprey]

Yup. You can implement interaction_check in the parent class, then all of the children classes will inherit it

I do this to do central error handling, for example

[gritty inlet]

Alright, I'll need to find a similar thing for dynamic items as well

[toxic coral]

chat ts isnt making any sence to me after the 2nd page 🥀

[gritty inlet]

If you don't know basics of Python then obviously it isn't

You shouldn't skip to making dbots, get the basics first

[toxic coral]

thats the one he sent and said read through that so i did

about to pay someone to make this bot fr

[gritty inlet]

Currently I use check to send error if user isn't the right user, and if the bot misses required permissions

Planning to implement specific response if i toggle "maintenance mode"

[astral jetty]

every time i made a bot in python there is this problem with the intents and i have to spend 5 minuted to find the solution , and randomly the bot doesnt take input from users anymore smh

[gritty inlet]

Just make sure your code intents match the one in the portal

Very simple

[fast osprey]

Intents aren't "random" 🤔

[glad cradle]

I mean that guide + discord.py docs should be enough to get you ready

[glad cradle]

did you read the views page, I wrote that shit 😭🙏

[toxic coral]

chatgpt helped me out more then that did

[gritty inlet]

I think he should get into Python generally first, this is a rabbit hole

[glad cradle]

yeah

[toxic coral]

cant use chatgpt anymore tho bc i reached my message limit

[fast osprey]

chatgpt thinks 3 isn't a prime number sometimes. It's stupid

[toxic coral]

real

[glad cradle]

it's stupid but that's not a valid reason to say that it's stupid

it just can't do it right

[gritty inlet]

Tokenizing my beloved

2 R's in strawberry

[toxic coral]

so like anybody tryna help me

ill cashapp you 20 bucks ong

[gritty inlet]

.

[toxic coral]

where would i even get into that like are there guides you recommend

[gritty inlet]

But maaaybe I can "help" making it, depends

[toxic coral]

anything of that sort

[gritty inlet]

Do you have a way to host the bot?

[toxic coral]

chat what does that mean 😭

bro fr you gotta dumb it all the way down when talking to me about ts

[gritty inlet]

Your bot has to be hosted on a server to work

Just like websites

Even if I made the bot's code for you: what's the point if you have no way of hosting it

[toxic coral]

ohhh yea im trying to make it work out of a server that i run

[gritty inlet]

Oh you have one then

[toxic coral]

si si

[gritty inlet]

What's the bot supposed to do

Unless you don't wanna share

[toxic coral]

its kind of a lot well for me at least

[toxic coral]

well im gonna have to if i want to get help

and its no secret really i dont mind

[fast osprey]

may want to review the #rules

[gritty inlet]

Yep no promotions etc etc ✌🏻

[toxic coral]

kidding guys 😉

anyways

[gritty inlet]

Anyway count me out if it's multipurpose or music or moderation

[toxic coral]

non of that

i need it to store data basically

when someone runs a command like "/profile" i need it to come up with a list of what that person has in my case it would be awards, badges, rank, roblox name and a few others

[gritty inlet]

I don't have good database knowledge

JSON is an option but not recommended for large scale

[toxic coral]

but it has to store everyones lists of things and i want there to be a website or something so i can manage and see what everyone has outside of discord

[toxic coral]

not thattt large, over 100

[fast osprey]

JSON is a data transfer format

not a data storage one

[toxic coral]

do you know anything about what im trying to do?

[fast osprey]

The core code would be pretty simple. Incorporating it into a website and hosting that is another step

[toxic coral]

well honestly idk if its a website bit or not

it might just be like an html thing in the program they use to edit if needed

[gritty inlet]

I use it for small projects honestly

[toxic coral]

if that makes sense

[fast osprey]

Sure, so are you gonna build it?

[toxic coral]

i have no clue how to

[fast osprey]

Are you gonna learn how?

[toxic coral]

id like to

i dont know what id even search for thats why im asking you guys

guidance is what i need

[fast osprey]

the python tutorial is quite good, the official one

[toxic coral]

does it go over what im trying to do?

[glad cradle]

https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

[glad cradle]

it's the basics of the language

[toxic coral]

ah i see

[glad cradle]

then you go again to read the guide that was linked a lot of messages ago

[toxic coral]

that link is discouraging 😭

[gritty inlet]

You can also search code snippets instead of learning from scratch

Learning the entire logics of a library is useless, but there are some things I'd recommend going over

[toxic coral]

code snippets are??

just pieces of code?

[gritty inlet]

Yes

[toxic coral]

i see do you know of a website?

ill probably just have to search around for a little to get what im looking for

[gritty inlet]

Eh, I mean GitHub or Stackoverflow can work

SOF is better for code snippets

[toxic coral]

just "SOF"?

[gritty inlet]

And you can use ChatGPT for very basics, but don't rely on it

But don't "be shy" to do it if you need to

[toxic coral]

i gotta wait until 5:41 to type agian 🥀

[gritty inlet]

StackOverFlow

[toxic coral]

ooo

alright ill look around thanks

[fast osprey]

Hard disagree

[glad cradle]

I mean that guide is mostly code snippets

[gritty inlet]

[toxic coral]

chat so uh i need help agian

[meager rock]

[wanton seal]

local_cache = {}
keys_available = []
async def id_to_global_name(user_id: int):
    if user_id in keys_available:
        username = local_cache[user_id]
        log_message(f"Found {user_id} in cache")
        return username
    else:
        fetch = await bot.fetch_user(user_id)
        local_cache[user_id] = fetch.global_name
        keys_available.append(user_id)
        log_message(f"Couldn't find {user_id} in cache; appended in cache")
        return fetch.global_name

this good?

[eternal cargo]

i need to assume that the bot variable there is instance of discord.Client
you would want to not override assigned key values in local_cache by checking if the key already exists, but i am not sure what is intention in your case

i will be honest, i code a discord bot myself using python

[wanton seal]

yea it only appends new keys when they're not found in keys_available

I was told that using bot.fetch_id() too often isn't nice but since bot.get_id() mostly returns none so i made this method

[wanton seal]

same

[eternal cargo]

tbh i havent seen something this before! well, fetch_user() is good approach there, you receive instance of discord.User, get user's global name and assign it to local_cache with user's id as the key, append the id to keys_available (this will affirm it is now in this list so the if statement will be invoked after the next invocation of this function), you receive the global name from local_cache, print the message it was found and return the global name. all you want is to append and receive the user from cache

i think you should be fine

without caching this will be just (await bot.fetch_user(user_id)).global_name

[eternal cargo]

also i could tell, you can use alternatives for if statements that you wont need to use keys_available variable:

# 1
if local_cache.get(user_id, None) is not None: ...
if type(local_cache.get(user_id, None)) is int: ...
if isinstance(local_cache.get(user_id, None), int): ...
# 2
if user_id in local_cache: ... # in dicts, the 'in' keyword inspect dict keys, not their values

i personally prefer version with get() over one with in keyword
if you want to receive a list of keys, you can just do list(local_cache) or list(local_cache.keys())

[young dagger]

Why do you use both a list and a dictionary?

[timber dragon]

This should try cache first

Also fetch_user can raise errors, handle that too

[lunar void]

also i could tell, you can use alternatives for if statements that you wont need to use keys_available variable:

# 1
if local_cache.get(user_id, None) is not None: ...
if type(local_cache.get(user_id, None)) is int: ...
if isinstance(local_cache.get(user_id, None), int): ...
# 2
if user_id in local_cache: ... # in dicts, the 'in' keyword inspect dict keys, not their values

i personally prefer version with get() over one with in keyword
if you want to receive a list of keys, you can just do list(local_cache) or list(local_cache.keys())

[young dagger]

My version

local_cache = {}

async def id_to_global_name(user_id: int):
    username = local_cache.get(user_id)
    if username:
        log_message(f"Found {user_id} in cache")
        
    else:
        try:
            user = await bot.fetch_user(user_id)
            username = local_cache[user_id] = user.global_name  # Use user.name, or user.global_name or user.name if you must
            log_message(f"Couldn't find {user_id} in cache; added to cache")
            
        except Exception:
            log_message(f"Error fetching user {user_id}. Retrying in 30 seconds.")
            await asyncio.sleep(30)
            return await id_to_global_name(user_id)
            
    return username

[shrewd apex]

why do u need a local cache once u fetch the user won't it be present in the library internal cache?

[young dagger]

Also I would use user.name instead of user.global_name because it's not guaranteed to be set by the user

[shrewd apex]

also for most part the user should exist in the library cache already you can just try get_user

[young dagger]

Use user.name, or user.global_name or user.name if you must

[young dagger]

True, I don't know what the code is being used for, but the optimal approach would be to use getch

user = guild.get_member(user_id) or await bot.fetch_user(user_id)

[young dagger]

get_member not get_user it will only be cached if they are in a mutual server

[quick gust]

but they both return different objects

[young dagger]

Oh right nvm

[astral jetty]

how do i make a discord bot that will launch a tactical nuke at the user when they do/self-destruct

[quick gust]

Tf?

[young dagger]

You can use get_user across all guilds etc I forgot my bad confusion

[timber dragon]

No fetch doesn't add it to cache

[shrewd apex]

hmm rip i thought it did

[young dagger]

In that case, I would use

user = bot.get_user(user_id) or await bot.fetch_user(user_id)

Probably add a try/except

[timber dragon]

Realistically, you shouldn't need this as all users sharing a server with your bot should be cached as said above if the members intent is enabled

But if you do want a getch behaviour, you should try the lib cache first and then fetch. I'm not a fan of the local cache but I guess it's fine if you keep it updated (like via events). Here is my take on it: https://mystb.in/ad7ad079523fd5405f (not including events)

Rip indents

[young dagger]

Check line 20

But otherwise I like it

[timber dragon]

Fixed

[glad cradle]

you just do it

hope that was clear

wrong message

[glad cradle]

you just do it

[astral jetty]

so helpfull thank you

[glad cradle]

you're welcome

[astral jetty]

codin is so easy bcs of ppl like you

may god bless you

[glad cradle]

thanks brother I think you are exaggerating a little bit

[astral jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

LEBRON JAMES

[young dagger]

@astral jetty Wrong server

[astral jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/code-works-code-not-working-error-scaler-create-impact-gif-24991578

[steep umbra]

lebonbon

[wanton seal]

oh right I forgot I'll need to keep it updated

[wanton seal]

Just did whatever came to my mind first

[wanton seal]

Yea but most people have numbers and underscores in their name which can look ugly

anyways thanks yall

[toxic coral]

ive been trying to make a bot but its not going so well

[white citrus]

How can i do 3 buttons in a embed in nextcord?

[stark ingot]

You can't put buttons in an embed. You are probably talking about containers.

[toxic coral]

anyone want to help me make a bot from scratch

[stark ingot]

It does not look like nextcord supports containers yet (which is part of components V2)

[wanton seal]

can bot.wait_for not detect messages at a high rate?

im trying to read every message sent in a thread, but bot.wait_for seems to be ignoring some messages when i type too fast

[fast osprey]

What's the code and what behavior are you trying to accomplish?

[young dagger]

!paste your code

[unkempt canyon]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in Discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[gritty inlet]

How would I set the row to be somewhere specific rather than top level?

I see that this is possible, but then where do I define callback? Assign button.callback = callback?

[fast osprey]

You can subclass Button and implement the callback there

You really should avoid stapling methods onto generic objects when possible

[gritty inlet]

uhh alright

[timber dragon]

Or subclass ActionRow

[dusk pelican]

I need help with the intents, because I dont understand the calculation. SO far I have subscribed the basic intents with the number 513

[timber dragon]

Why are you using raw bits

Just set the kwargs to true

[dusk pelican]

ok, they are in bits which can be converted to a number and then be added up?

[timber dragon]

Idk but they're all listed here https://discord.com/developers/docs/events/gateway#list-of-intents

[gritty inlet]

[burnt quiver]

really?

you sure you're not editing the message or smth

[timber dragon]

You can send anything you want, just not cv2 + embeds/content

[gritty inlet]

maybe im tripping holdup

[gritty inlet]

ohhh i am thats why oops

[white citrus]

Containers?

[stark ingot]

Containers are one of the new message components added a couple months back

[white citrus]

Yeah i mein this type of components

[white citrus]

https://github.com/nextcord/nextcord/pull/1254

[gritty inlet]

"low level" 🤔

[timber dragon]

That's a next level low

[white citrus]

xD

[white citrus]

How can i install it

[timber dragon]

Should probably ask in their server

[junior breach]

yo

anyone can help me how i can grab text from a forwarded message?

[tender bobcat]

!d discord.MessageSnapshot

[unkempt canyon]

discord.MessageSnapshot

class discord.MessageSnapshot(state, data)```
Represents a message snapshot attached to a forwarded message.

New in version 2.5.

[tender bobcat]

!d discord.MessageSnapshot.content

[unkempt canyon]

discord.MessageSnapshot.content

The actual contents of the forwarded message.

[white citrus]

Can someone help? I used disutils.command.config in python 3.10 now i Switched to 3.12 and it is not supported anymore

[molten bramble]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/container/main.py", line 266, in <module>
bot.run(TOKEN)
File "/home/container/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/client.py", line 929, in run
asyncio.run(runner())
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/asyncio/runners.py", line 195, in run
return runner.run(main)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/asyncio/runners.py", line 118, in run
return self._loop.run_until_complete(task)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/asyncio/base_events.py", line 691, in run_until_complete
return future.result()
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/home/container/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/client.py", line 918, in runner
await self.start(token, reconnect=reconnect)
File "/home/container/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/client.py", line 847, in start
await self.connect(reconnect=reconnect)
File "/home/container/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/client.py", line 727, in connect
await self.ws.poll_event()
File "/home/container/.local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/discord/gateway.py", line 658, in poll_event
raise ConnectionClosed(self.socket, shard_id=self.shard_id, code=code) from None
discord.errors.ConnectionClosed: Shard ID None WebSocket closed with 4004
this normal?

[hushed galleon]

cant remember for sure, but i think 4004 means discord revoked your bot's token

is this running in replit? discord bots there tend to get ratelimited

[molten bramble]

I forgot I reset my bot token and after I put the new one in it works now

[tender bobcat]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/opcodes-and-status-codes

Yep, it was token invalid

[molten bramble]

I did reset my bot token and I forgot, after I put the new one in it works now

[toxic coral]

that link you sent didnt do me any justice

i think it was you idk it mightve been the other person

[fast osprey]

rip

[toxic coral]

im just tryna make a functional bot 🥀

[fast osprey]

and where are you struggling?

[toxic coral]

from the start really

i just cant figure out how to do it and something always ends up getting messed up by chatgpt

[wanton seal]

why using chatgpt?

[toxic coral]

bc idk how to code

i dont even really know the basics

[wanton seal]

so are you ask chatgpt to teach it or just using it?

[toxic coral]

im just trying to get a bot set up and thats all i need

[wanton seal]

oo

[toxic coral]

just to show me what i need to do

what scripts i need to put and stuff like that

i mean it teaches me a little bit until something goes wrong and i have to reset

[quick gust]

and that'll keep happening till the time you decide to learn from the proper sources

chatgpt is not a learning tool

[toxic coral]

ik its not im not really trying to learn im more of just trying to get the bot

i obviously have to learn hoe ti make it but im not planning on doing coding and programming consistently

[quick gust]

Doesn't matter
If you want to make it yourself you'll have to learn how to do it properly

[toxic coral]

thats kinda why i joined this discord to see if anybody would be willing to help me make it

[brazen raft]

We help with learning how to make it so you make it yourself

[young dagger]

Why is the "Done" button not working?
discord.errors.NotFound: 404 Not Found (error code: 10008): Unknown Message
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/PROQ

[fast osprey]

Don't use interaction.message basically ever

You can use interaction.response.edit_message

[young dagger]

That + followup for my case?

[fast osprey]

Yup

[gritty inlet]

I only ever use it for interaction metadata to know whether interaction.user is the original user

I just don't know of a better method. Is there?

[fast osprey]

"Original user"?

[gritty inlet]

The one that ran the command

[fast osprey]

How would interaction.message give you that?

[gritty inlet]

interaction.message.interaction_metadata.user.id

[fast osprey]

You could pass the user into the view to simplify that but that could work

[gritty inlet]

[young dagger]

My second question, is my code tied to each user’s button? I don’t want different users interfering with each other’s buttons

(still new to the buttons thing)

[gritty inlet]

No, you must add such logic manually

Otherwise any user can use the button

[young dagger]

Even with ephemeral True?

[gritty inlet]

No, that's different

Only you will see the message, so only you will be able to use the button

[young dagger]

I still don’t want one user’s verification to disable the button for other users, as if they’re sharing the same instance

I'm a bit confused about this part

[gritty inlet]

Do you want it to be so only the user who ran the command can use the button?

[young dagger]

Yes it should create their own instance only for them

[quick gust]

So just send ephemeral messages

[gritty inlet]

Put instances outside of this lol, that's not really related

Anyway yeah you either make the message ephemeral, or add logic to check if the interaction.user is the one that's supposed to use the button

[young dagger]

Oh right, it's only when you use a hardcoded custom_id it will share among users

[gritty inlet]

No

Buttons work for everyone by default

[fast osprey]

I think there's a misunderstanding of how the view store works

When your bot receives a component interaction, it looks in your local view store. It first checks to see if there is a view object registered specifically to that message id. If there is, it looks for a component that has that custom id in that view object, then routes the interaction there

(this is for discord.py and other forks that follow the view model)

[young dagger]

That is why you should never use hardcoded custom id for verification buttons? Or am I wrong?

[fast osprey]

no, it really doesn't matter if you do or don't

if you don't, the library generates a random one for you and they match up anyways

The first thing the library does when routing the interaction is look to see if there's a view stored mapped to that message specifically. It doesn't matter if there are other views that have components with the same custom id

[gritty inlet]

The point of the custom id is for your side to know what to do with the component

Just an identifier

[young dagger]

What about self.stop() will it stop all instances with that button?

I guess so

[fast osprey]

that applies to that view

[gritty inlet]

stop()
Stops listening to interaction events from this view.

This operation cannot be undone.

[young dagger]

^ So for this case there is no two views created?

Because I submitted twice

[gritty inlet]

The library internally uses that view, no matter how many times

So if you use stop() it will affect all buttons

[fast osprey]

The view store is basically

messageid_1 ---> [view object] : [button1, button2, button3]
messageid_2---> [view object] : [button1, button2, button3]

It is up to you what views you send and when

your code could easily be

view = MyView()
await channel.send(view=view)
await channel.send(view=view)

or

await channel.send(view=MyView())
await channel.send(view=MyView())

[young dagger]

It would be the same result if it was from two different users?

[fast osprey]

The view is just an object that contains component callbacks. When you send a message and attach a view to it, you are saying you want that object to handle interactions on components sent in that message

[gritty inlet]

That depends on your callback

[fast osprey]

this has no concept or notion of users

interaction on x message -> goes to y view object, and that is set at the time when you send that message

[gritty inlet]

And what happens when the component is interacted with - that's for your callback function to handle

[young dagger]

So for my case self.stop() basically cancels the view for all users that are running at that time

If they resubmit it works again

[gritty inlet]

No, when you interact with that button, based on its custom id, the library knows what view object should handle it. So for as long as the view is 'stopped', no interactions with that button will work

At least I think so

[gritty inlet]

You mean run the command again?

[young dagger]

nvm

[gritty inlet]

All good

[fast osprey]

None of this has anything to do with users

views are attached to messages. Not users

You stop the view, interactions on that message are no longer routed

[young dagger]

So views with the same custom id would be considered as the same message?

[gritty inlet]

No because you can have the same custom id in multiple messages

[fast osprey]

.

[gritty inlet]

The view may be attached to multiple messages. In that case, using stop() will affect all those messages

[fast osprey]

In most cases, it is one view per message. You need to be going out of your way to specifically reuse a singleton view or if you're using a global persistent view

[young dagger]

That is exactly what I meant. What does make the view be attached to multiple messages?

[gritty inlet]

The fact that these messages used the same view instance

[young dagger]

Which is based on?

[fast osprey]

.

[gritty inlet]

Based on the instance you used when sending the message

[young dagger]

If you could review my code and see:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/VOCQ

[gritty inlet]

I don't see a problem

[young dagger]

.

[fast osprey]

view = VerifyButtonView()
await interaction.response.send_message(embed=embed, view=view, ephemeral=True)

You're creating a local instance here and sending it

Stopping this view instance will only impact this message

[young dagger]

One of them is failing

User 1 > Submitted
User 2 > Submitted
User 1 > Press button OK
User 2 > Press buton failed

Same code as I provided

[gritty inlet]

I'd have assumed that it's because the library no longer recognizes that view, but now I'm not sure after what Solstice said

Stopping this view instance will only impact this message

[fast osprey]

Why are you setting custom ids in the first place? Are you persisting a version of this view anywhere?

[young dagger]

You said it doesn't matter

[fast osprey]

It doesn't, but it does matter if you have a global level view

[young dagger]

So my theory was right?

[fast osprey]

no

Again. Nothing in this entire stack knows or cares about users

[young dagger]

So what are you saying?

[fast osprey]

Are you calling add_view anywhere in your code besides what you sent?

[young dagger]

That is the full code

[fast osprey]

And why are you calling add_view in the first place

it's not the full code. This is clearly an extension

[young dagger]

It's a cog for that particular verification. Try run the code yourself

[young dagger]

It's used to keep the Submit button persistent

[fast osprey]

Me looking at this code doesn't tell me anything about what you do in the entirety of your code base

where any line anywhere else could be messing with this

[gritty inlet]

If you want persistency, you need to set it for any view you use

[gritty inlet]

Anyway I guess this is not the reason? I don't know enough about that

[fast osprey]

When you call add_view, all that does is manually adds a view to the view store for routing. If you don't specify a message_id, it means all interactions can be routed to it regardless of what message they came from

[young dagger]

There is no other code, I'm running this cog solely

[fast osprey]

there is other code

[young dagger]

Dude why don't you run the code yourself and see?

[fast osprey]

Because I can't, because THIS IS NOT THE FULL CODE

This is an extension

[gritty inlet]

But just a quick note, you don't really need to stop the view if you make the button disabled nvm

[fast osprey]

You can't just "run" extensions. They don't do anything. They extend an existing bot

[gritty inlet]

And you should do add_view for VerifyButtonView as well

Unless you don't want it to work after the bot restarts

[young dagger]

No need for that really

[fast osprey]

I'm about 90% sure this will lead to a memory leak as nothing will remove the view from the view store

[gritty inlet]

I assume this would only be relevant for non persistent views?

[fast osprey]

No, any view that doesn't have a timeout will by definition stay in the view store until you stop it

Actually come to think of it, not sure if editing it off the message entirely removes it from the store

[gritty inlet]

So using a persistent view just creates another internal instance every time?

[young dagger]

I made a special case for you
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/QLEA

[gritty inlet]

OR it stays there, but just a single instance. Sounds more likely

[young dagger]

^ Here is full code same result

Ready for you to run

[fast osprey]

I think there's a confusion about what a persistent view is.

All add view does is just shove one view object into the view store. It doesn't make the class itself special or anything. The key here is that if you don't specify a message_id when you do that, that specific view object can be routed to for all interactions regardless of what message they came from

[gritty inlet]

No because it's not per user

[gritty inlet]

What I want to know is whether I'd need to use stop() in persistent views' callbacks to avoid a memory leak... I assume not because the library should store only one instance of that view, and I wouldn't call that a memory leak xd

Sorry if it sounds like bs but I got a liiittle confused there

[fast osprey]

lol wut

Really good play insulting someone actively trying to help you

[gritty inlet]

You just had to word it right, it stops working for all messages that use that view. The word "users" isn't related

I think that's all

But you didn't use add_view for that Verification view. I guess because you specified a custom_id then the stop() acts like it'd act with a persistent view? (means it affects all messages)

[white citrus]

Are These container or components v2?

[timber dragon]

containers are part of cv2, so yes

[fast osprey]

Stop only affects that view object. It doesn't look around and impact other views, regardless of the custom ids involved

[toxic coral]

im willing to learn the parts i need to make the bot

[gritty inlet]

So if that view is persistent (so there's an instance of it internally)
And I create an instance to send in the message, the stop() will affect which?

[fast osprey]

That's like saying you're willing to learn the parts of basic engineering needed to make a nuclear reactor. There aren't shortcuts. You have to learn the basics

[fast osprey]

It affects the object you called stop on. It's a method

[white citrus]

So how can i make this?

[gritty inlet]

So ideally I'd want to use the same view instance that was used in bot.add_view, instead of doing view=MyView()? Memory-efficiency-wise

And I'm talking about cases where I don't use stop()

[fast osprey]

It really depends what behavior you want

and if your view objects have individual states

[gritty inlet]

I only care about the callback pretty much

[fast osprey]

DynamicItems can also be a lot more memory efficient

[gritty inlet]

I don't use any view methods really

[gritty inlet]

Even for when the custom id never changes?

[fast osprey]

That's the idea behind them

[gritty inlet]

I thought their purpose was for when the custom id is dynamic

[fast osprey]

Well, one use case. The "dynamic" part refers to the library dynamically making a component to handle the interaction when the interaction happens, rather than a view sitting in memory

[gritty inlet]

And do those components stack up in the memory?

Like views do

[fast osprey]

Nope it handles the interaction and then is disposed

[gritty inlet]

Might as well switch to using only dynamic items then ✌🏻😭 Unless it's not that serious

[fast osprey]

There's really no big difference between the two if there's no message-specific data being moved around though

[gritty inlet]

Except the views stay in the memory

🤔

[fast osprey]

Correct, but if you're doing one global view (because no message specific data), that memory footprint is negligible

[gritty inlet]

What would be message specific data as an example?

Passing data to the view from for a message?

[fast osprey]

I send a view twice, one is supposed to send a response saying "A" when button is pushed, the other "B". And I want those views to persist between restarts without making two separate classes

Your options there are

• have a db, make one global persistent view that looks up the message id on the db
• have a db, call add_view N times passing in the message_id
• embed that data into the custom_id and make a DynamicItem

[gritty inlet]

So basically any view that takes arguments (that are supposed to change) counts as one that uses message specific data

Okay thanks

I have one bot where I was too lazy to rewrite the views (wayy too many) so I just set timeouts for all of them lol

That'll do

[fast osprey]

A lot of time people think they need to make every button ever permanent but that doesn't actually match up with user behavior

Also for those curious about what stop does: https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/master/discord/ui/view.py line 605

[gritty inlet]

Well in that bot almost none of them is permanent since I didnt know shit when I made it

[white citrus]

@fast osprey yo can you please help me on my question?

[gritty inlet]

Only problem I have with buttons that just stop working, is the ugly 'interaction failed' frontend response

[fast osprey]

I don't have any experience with components v2 yet but I'm told the examples in the repo are quite extensive

[gritty inlet]

I can try

[fast osprey]

Yeah the common approach is to implement on_timeout and remove/disable the items

[gritty inlet]

I have my own wrapper but yesterday i tried dpy's CV2

So many classes 😭 ig it's formal but it bloats up the code

Not exactly, safe to say I'm not an expert with views

😄

[white citrus]

I am just want to do this

[gritty inlet]

Nextcord has no support for that yet

[timber dragon]

that's discord.py

and you cannot add a Select like that

[gritty inlet]

About that, I was actually trying to find the correct one in the docs 😭

Decided to grab one from the top of my head

[timber dragon]

wrap it in an actionrow

[gritty inlet]

Ty for noting

[timber dragon]

but the user above is using Nextcord

[gritty inlet]

Oopsie :D

[timber dragon]

which doesn't support cv2 at all yet

[gritty inlet]

Sooo you can either wait or do what I did which is making a custom wrapper

[fast osprey]

Or switch libraries

[gritty inlet]

Yeah that too 😭

[white citrus]

Facst but thats not that easy and the same

[fast osprey]

Yeah up to you what the best use of your time and energy is

[white citrus]

There is already a pr

Can i Download a pr ?

[fast osprey]

You can check out any commit on a public repo but you're doing so under your own risk

They could change anything and break any code you write now

[timber dragon]

you can install their cv2 PR by running the following command

python -m pip install "nextcord @ git+https://github.com/nextcord/nextcord.git@refs/pull/1254/head"

But you'll have to ask how to use it etc in their server as I don't think anyone here uses nextcord.

[white citrus]

So i am on my own?

[gritty inlet]

You have their server for support xD

[timber dragon]

have you tried asking?

[gritty inlet]

Might as well click on Soheab's tag and find out

[timber dragon]

I forgot about that xD

[young dagger]

When would you use persistent view vs DynamicItem?

In my case, if you want to keep a button that verifies users clickable after rebooting

[white citrus]

Yes but help is very slow

[gritty inlet]

In this case, your custom id stays static and you also don't pass arguments to the view. So persistent view

[young dagger]

I will be pasting arguments

[gritty inlet]

eh then it could depend

for the time being i'd say use persistent view

but its ur choice after all

[toxic coral]

ig your not understanding what im trying to say

its fine tho

the system i have now is good enough

[timber dragon]

DynamicItem is the newer and better versions of persistent views

like it doesn't take up memory to store the view etc, it just dispatches the item based on regex against the custom_id

so you should be using that where possible

[fast osprey]

"Better" is a bit disingenuous. There are meaningful cases where having a view is useful

[timber dragon]

true. but for most people it is

[gritty inlet]

I'm not sure that I'm adding dynamic items to a view in the intended way:

...
self.add_item(TestItem().item)```

Only works when I add that .item, which is typed to Any so I wasn't sure I'm supposed to use it that way

[fast osprey]

You don't need the .item. What is TestItem?

[gritty inlet]

class TestItem(discord.ui.DynamicItem[discord.ui.Button], ...)

[fast osprey]

Then you should be able to add the dynamicitem directly to the view

[gritty inlet]

It raises an error, I'll check it when I can

[timber dragon]

DynamicItem is an Item so that should work just fine

[fast osprey]

Yeah double checked my code and you should be fine to just slot the dynamicitem itself into a view just fine

[leaden cypress]

Is there some kind lib for discord bots?

[timber dragon]

For Python? Yeah there are a couple

https://libs.advaith.io/#python

[karmic tendon]

whats better discord.py or pycord

[fast osprey]

depends entirely on your preference

[toxic coral]

do yk how i can make my bot work after i close vs code?

so just having it run 24/7

[merry cliff]

you would need a seperate device to host the code

[toxic coral]

bc when i close vs studio the comand doesnt run anymore

[toxic coral]

how would i go about that?

[merry cliff]

conventionally a cloud hosting servicewould be used

[toxic coral]

do you use one?

[merry cliff]

you could also self host with an old computer or raspberry pi

I self host using an old laptop

[toxic coral]

yea i cant really keep my old pc running like that

all of the time

[merry cliff]

I also have a free VPS from oracle free tier

itsgotenoughpower for multiple discord bots

[toxic coral]

im only using 1

for 1 single command 💀

i just need it to run 24/7

so i dont have to have my coding prog open

[merry cliff]

https://github.com/Ozpyn/Oracle-Cloud-Lesson

it is two years old but Idon't think there have been many large changes

[toxic coral]

ts looks confusing asf to install

[merry cliff]

you don't need to follow their bot guide

just the steps to create and access the cloud server

then you can ssh into the server in any way such as PuTTY and upload the bot files through sftp using something like FileZilla

and then just run the bot

[toxic coral]

so idk what ssh is, PuTTY, sftp, or fileZilla is

[merry cliff]

Putty and filezilla are apps

sftp is just a protocol like http but instead of sending websites it sends files

ssh is a way to access the cloud server's command line from your own device

https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/Compute/Tasks/connect-to-linux-instance-from-windows-putty.htm

https://docs.oracle.com/en/cloud/paas/integration-cloud/ftp-adapter/access-your-ftp-server-and-upload-files.html

[toxic coral]

bro im so confused 😭

[merry cliff]

just follow the github tutorial until you reach the "Anything you wanna do" step

[toxic coral]

where do those steps start

intro?

[merry cliff]

https://github.com/Ozpyn/Oracle-Cloud-Lesson?tab=readme-ov-file#create-a-vm-instance

[toxic coral]

brings me to the same place

[toxic coral]

as this

[merry cliff]

the create a vm insstance step

is the first actual step

[toxic coral]

oh ok i see

thank you

[merry cliff]

np

[toxic coral]

i have to give them my home adress to sign up 🤨

[merry cliff]

you have to do that for all online payment things that use a card

[toxic coral]

oh i didnt even see the payment part

ok that makes sense then

[toxic coral]

im assuming the "free tier" isnt a free trial

and stays free

[merry cliff]

no the resources are permanently free

I've been using it for like 3 years now and havent been charged

[toxic coral]

so what was the point of the payment

[merry cliff]

to stop people from spamming accounts

[toxic coral]

hm alr

"Start with a US$300 cloud credit.*"

🥀

[toxic coral]

ahh

[merry cliff]

that's for people to trial their premium resources

[toxic coral]

i just saw this thats why i asked

i got confused

[merry cliff]

as the tutorial notes, make sure you pick stuff with the always free tag

[toxic coral]

i started from here but i see now it says create your free account in the green

[merry cliff]

it's the same thing

[toxic coral]

ah ok

lowkey broke rn

not tryna get sued 😭

[toxic coral]

i got a virus warning trying to download https://puttygen.com/#gsc.tab=0

is that normal

[dawn delta]

guys can anyone help me

Exception has occurred: ClientConnectorCertificateError
Cannot connect to host discord.com:443 ssl:True [SSLCertVerificationError: (1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1010)')]
ssl.SSLCertVerificationError: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1010)

The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:

File "D:!ExZhonya\Coding\Discord-Bot\Bot\main.py", line 37, in <module>
bot.run(TOKEN)
aiohttp.client_exceptions.ClientConnectorCertificateError: Cannot connect to host discord.com:443 ssl:True [SSLCertVerificationError: (1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1010)')]

[woeful hill]

Update your windows

[vital vigil]

Are there people using render.com to run discord bots persistently? Are there alternatives?

[young dagger]

Buy cheap VPS 5$ month and run your bot or whatever you like

[gritty inlet]

You could also do local hosting if you're okay with that, cheaper and works

[young dagger]

The reason why people are asking for host alternatives is because they can’t run them on their own machines

OT I don’t believe in any free alternatives

[gritty inlet]

I'm doing fine with my Raspberry Pi

But everyone and their preferences/capabilities

[gritty inlet]

And I actually recommend that for people who don't want to pay for a VPS. The Pi 4 is available for pretty good prices out there

[young dagger]

These have a higher upfront cost, limited scalability and you still have to run them on your own

[gritty inlet]

It depends on the scale of what you want to host on it. Yes it's not meant for huge projects or whatever.
And Idk what costs you mean, the only thing I'm paying for is a domain...

[young dagger]

That’s why I recommend a cheap VPS, it has a low entry cost and you can always scale or switch later if you want

[dusk pelican]

like hetzner?

[radiant shuttle]

i have this problem my bards are stucked, i am using pillow , how can i fix it?

[gritty inlet]

I don't think this is the correct channel to ask that in

[radiant shuttle]

what is it?

[gritty inlet]

Probably https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1035199133436354600

[fast osprey]

#media-processing most likely

[young dagger]

I don't know anything about that provider

[opal vortex]

yes

[gritty inlet]

Webhook Events wrapper that I made for no good reason
-# "timestamp" and datetime.datetime doesn't really make sense but who cares
-# Just noticed it takes app id for no reason, removing that
And I figured that instead of using application.start(), it'd be much better to allow running multiple applications

[timber dragon]

Nice!

[tender bobcat]

Nice

[glad cradle]

Nice

[timber dragon]

Nice

[glad cradle]

hi soheab I noticed you opened the nameplates PR on d.py, did you notice the weird ass endpoints of the cdn to get the assets 😭🙏

[zealous jay]

Oracle has a pretty good free tier, the complicated part is to get access because they release x amount of servers per week or something

[vital vigil]

Thx. I'll fwd this.

[timber dragon]

Yeah really weird

We just did .static and .animated

[glad cradle]

not even documented

[timber dragon]

Yeah it's not documented at all for some reason

[glad cradle]

huh, valid suffixes are only

asset.webm
static.png

and img.png (which returns an animated media lmao)

[glad cradle]

I swear at the start it was asset.png and asset.webm, then they changed it to be like it is today

maybe they just want to change it freely

[timber dragon]

Oh didn't know about the last one

The webm is technically animated as it's used for the hover effect

[glad cradle]

yes

[timber dragon]

The path is weird overal

[glad cradle]

it should actually return an apgn media

[timber dragon]

nameplates/nameplates/name...

[timber dragon]

Ya

[glad cradle]

yeah, it was even weirder at the start without the assets/collectibles prefix

Just discord things ig

[timber dragon]

Yup

[gritty inlet]

Idk why it was so important for them to add a slash at the end of asset

[timber dragon]

OH YEAH THAT TOO

So weird

[burnt quiver]

discordn't

[glad cradle]

that got me too btw

[silk pulsar]

Can anyone give me some tips to improve my code?

[sick birch]

Set up a linter and formatter

[stark ingot]

Don't use prefix commands

[potent spear]

Not sure what data you are iterating through here, but there's a good chance a member can leave or for any reason not be in cache upto the time member = guild.get_member(user_id) is called
There is a probability of member being None if they are not in cache or your server

You should consider error handling this as per your requirement, ie let's say you want to skip them, use continue to skip

[silk pulsar]

Thanks for the suggestion

[fast osprey]

Why

[gritty inlet]

Hmmm Idk I just think it looks better

[fast osprey]