python-discussion

[gentle pine]

code

[inner adder]

Oh yeah tons of people do

[gentle pine]

do you?

[indigo phoenix]

VSC is pretty good for Python. I use it.

[inner adder]

From time to time. It's not my primary, though

I personally prefer Sublime Text. I'm about to give Zed a try, though

[gentle pine]

i just got the app and did all the stuff, but when i put a input, everytime i run the code and answer the input and press enter, it just starts a new line in the output, maybe im doing it wrong?

[indigo phoenix]

Share your code and a screenshot of the output?

[autumn forge]

you're essentially finding the angle between the vector AB and AP. The cross product - AB x AP, which you're calculating - in 2D is |AB| * |AP| * sinθ (where θ is the angle between two vectors). Sinθ is positive for angles less than 180 degrees and negative for angles greater than 180 degrees (if θ is in [0, 360]) , so by the sign of the cross product you know which side of the line AB P falls

[gentle pine]

no the output is normal but when i answer the output and press enter, it just starts a new line

[inner adder]

Open up a help thread in #1035199133436354600. That way you can send pictures and stuff

[velvet trout]

Why y'all bullying my snake 😔

He is alone handling unicode stuff , dynamic typing and mem&gc management for us 🥺

[honest cradle]

considering ur a moderator,im guessing you either study in college or uni or have a job?

[inner adder]

I work full-time but I'm not a programmer

I just do it for fun

I work in IT

[sudden basin]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1502347032940118016

[honest cradle]

interesting

[inner adder]

My main focus here is helping new folks get the footing they need to learn the more complex stuff. I like helping people get that lightbulb moment where things start to make sense

It's very satisfying

[rare gazelle]

very enlightening

[raven urchin]

I am

[open ledge]

Wheres Python 1.3 documentation? On website I only see down to 1.4

[inner adder]

Might be on the internet archive. I'll take a look

[grave tree]

why v1.3 specifically?

[open ledge]

Because it is one I have

[grave tree]

Do you mean you have version 3.13?

1.3 is 30 years old

[open ledge]

No

1.3

[grave tree]

Why do you have a 30 year old version of Python?

[open ledge]

4th January 1995

[open ledge]

Because I have 30 year old OS on 30 year old computer

[inner adder]

Even on the wayback machine, the oldest version of the python.org site (May 1st, 1997) only has stuff for 1.4

[unborn lagoon]

https://www.python.org/ftp/python/doc/1.3/. Here they are. It's served as both HTML and Postscript.

[grave tree]

Are .9888888888888888888

[harsh swallow]

1.3 wasn't even fully supported

[open ledge]

Thanks!

[harsh swallow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Python

[grave tree]

okay, cat dealt with

[inner adder]

You might be able to scrounge through here
https://github.com/python/cpython/tree/v1.3/Doc

[open ledge]

And it fits on one floppy

[grave tree]

But you can't get v1.4 even?

[open ledge]

Nice

[open ledge]

I could try if I find debian release

It might work

[inner adder]

Should work

[grave tree]

what version of debian are you running?

[open ledge]

1.1

Kernel 2.0.0

[inner adder]

Even on an older machine you should be able to run a newer version

Of Debian I mean

Which would also solve the Python issue

[open ledge]

I think yea

[raven urchin]

My mom is using my Arch Linux, lmao.

[open ledge]

And its not like i will stick only to 1.1 here

Ill also use some Slackware and OS/2

[grave tree]

good luck: https://legacy.python.org/download/releases/binaries-1.4/

[open ledge]

Wait

It also has Amiga release?

But doubt it would run on my 500

[inner adder]

Neat, I didn't know that

Are... are you from the past?

[open ledge]

Nope

[inner adder]

Are you a time traveler?

[open ledge]

I am now

[inner adder]

Oh, that's less exciting

I guess we all are

But like... just 1 second at a time

[open ledge]

But my room seems like it

[inner adder]

I wonder when the docs were first bundled with Python...

[open ledge]

Fucking linux made .Trash-1000 on floppy

And I wonder why my 1.44MB can only fit 720kB

[inner adder]

Damn, pydoc was added in 2.1

I'd still go with 1.4 like Kat said, but now I can't seem to stop digging down this rabbit hole

[gloomy locust]

"AI Agents are the most lucrative field today; if you build a real estate agent and capture just 1% of the global market, you could generate $10 million in monthly revenue."

[grave tree]

did you have a python related question?

[gloomy locust]

Yes i need help

[grave tree]

what's your question?

[gloomy locust]

I will send to you a roadmap in programming check it it is correct or no

[grave tree]

just send it here, people can provide their thoughts

[gloomy locust]

.1. Intro to CS

Courses: Harvard CS50 / MIT 6.1000

Book: Think Python

2. Computational Thinking

Courses: MIT 6.100A & 6.100B

Book: Intro to Computation & Programming (Guttag)

Stack: NumPy, Pandas, Jupyter

3. Software Construction

Courses: MIT 6.1010 & 6.1020

Books: Python Crash Course & Fluent Python

Tools: Git, GitHub, LeetCode

[pastel sluice]

Fluent Python is something you'd read after already getting comfortable with Python itself.
Python Crash Course is a beginner guide aimed at people who might already have some programming experience

[gloomy locust]

Can you organise my roadmap

[bronze dragon]

that is a very big "if"

[pastel sluice]

what's the goal here? the "roadmap" doesn't point in any one clear direction. it's all over the map, to coin a phrase

[gloomy locust]

What is solutions

Organise it please

[pastel sluice]

@gloomy locust start by telling me what you want to do.

do you want to learn "computer science" generally, or learn Python specifically?

[gloomy locust]

I want to study Ai agent this is my dream

Now i started from programming

[pastel sluice]

start with learning basic programming skills. Python isn't a bad way to do that.

the whole field of AI is shifting so rapidly there's no point in trying to "study" it right now. equip yourself with learning skills instead.

[gloomy locust]

The roadmap is false

I am learner self

[indigo phoenix]

Folders by themselves take up basically no space.

[gloomy locust]

Help me please in roadmap

Please

[lean lantern]

why do you think its false?

[steady rain]

@gloomy locust you've asked about roadmaps at least three times that I've seen. what about the answers you've gotten do you not like?

[gloomy locust]

Because people suad to me it is false

[prime mountain]

Hi

[bronze dragon]

But you want help organizing it? Even though it's false?

[steady rain]

there's no linear path to learning about AI because it's rapidly shifting and there's so many different directions you can go with it. I've been working in AI for several years and there are whole branches that I know nothing about.

[lean lantern]

I think that, like said previously, the best way to grasp python is to code and learn with projects ,especially in an evolving field like AI

[gloomy locust]

Help please

What about the map

[lean lantern]

I don't think the map is usefull personally

[steady rain]

please don't say "help please" without saying exactly what you want help with. the way you're communicating is difficult.

[lean lantern]

I mean sure courses can help A LOT, but I think you should just dive into it

[gloomy locust]

I follow the cataloge of mit

[rare gazelle]

i like the word guide line

[steady rain]

!resources data science

[edgy kraken]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[gloomy locust]

I put map according to the catalogue

[steady rain]

@gloomy locust pick one of these resources and stick with it to the end. don't worry about what you'll do next until you get to the end.

[lean lantern]

but following courses from MIT without having prior knowledge in python is impossible. Start doing projects

[grave tree]

The CS50P MIT course is designed for folks who don't know any Python or programming

[lean lantern]

oh ok I wasn't aware

[rare gazelle]

you can and should program alongside whatever course

[pastel sluice]

@gloomy locust the most important thing to develop with these studies is how to learn things.
how to read texts and documentation.
how to take something described and use it.
how to ask good questions and get useful answers.
these are super-powers. they are more useful by far than learning any one language, framework, or even subject matter area.

[rain wren]

hello

[bronze dragon]

-# 6.100A is the MIT course for intro to programming with Python. CS50P is Harvard.

[rare gazelle]

hi

[inland pendant]

Hello guys!!

[prime mountain]

How's it going?

[rare gazelle]

welcome

[rain wren]

Thank you

[rain wren]

how are you ?

[rare gazelle]

i'm good thanks, u?

[west storm]

good day everyone

[open ledge]

Old files are there.

[rain wren]

i'm good thanks

[rare gazelle]

👍

[civic pawn]

Does anyone have recommendations on how to learn python as someone with no experience at coding? Im looking for easy projects to start learning by doing

[lean lantern]

!learn

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[lean lantern]

!projects

[edgy kraken]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[civic pawn]

okay thank you

[gleaming sluice]

not sure if it is the proper place but i'm wondering where to get sponsorship for an open source project.

[golden mortar]

You want someone to give you money to make an OSS project?

[gleaming sluice]

dementati are you that folk from #philosophy in the old freenode?

[golden mortar]

Yes

[gleaming sluice]

i'm tau.

[golden mortar]

Wow, that's a blast from the past

Holy shit

[gleaming sluice]

i can't believe i found you here.

[golden mortar]

long time no see

[gleaming sluice]

holy christ.

freenode has died it is now libera.

[golden mortar]

Yeah, I know

[gleaming sluice]

do you recall vy?

[runic flower]

put a link on your website. wait for donations.

[gleaming sluice]

i have made incredible changes and improvements it is now https://github.com/iogf/escs

i have archived vy project then started that one.

i have also written this https://github.com/iogf/crocs/tree/master

[golden mortar]

Hm, not really

[runic flower]

do you have a python realted question ?

[gleaming sluice]

crocs is amazing it is built on top of another project of mine eacc https://github.com/iogf/eacc

[cerulean ravine]

some of us are still on libera

[gleaming sluice]

that is a yacc like tool in python.

nedbat cool.

dementati do you have google chat?

[golden mortar]

Nope

[raven urchin]

Google Chat?

[half pewter]

so polars only has literal string null matching and AI is advising me not to edit raw files for an ETL project, matching literal whitespace feels janky. anyone have any thoughts on this

[gleaming sluice]

i'm planning to extend crocs. i'll make it read inputs like 'aba aca aea afa' then it outputs a set of possible regex's 'a.a' 'a[bcef]a'.

that recognizes the patterns in the input and builds a regex and a python like struct for the string patterns.

i plan to make that a learning regex platform where i'll ask some money for user subscriptions.

[peak egret]

what

[gleaming sluice]

aspizu check this https://github.com/iogf/escs

wrong link.

this one https://github.com/iogf/crocs/tree/master

it reads a given regex then turns it into a python structure that maps the regex and it also gives possible matches for the regex.

it can read regex and output a mapping structure in python and vice versa.

[peak egret]

why

[gleaming knoll]

usually regexes are used to match arbitrary-length sequences, rather than a finite set of strings
if you're matching a finite set you can just | all the variants

[gleaming sluice]

i'm planning to extend crocs with a feature that will allow people to input a string that contains patterns then it outputs a regex to match the patterns like in you input 'aba aca ada' then it gives you a regex like 'a.a' or 'a[bcd]a' .

[quiet mulch]

k

[peak egret]

i have a feeling ur trying to solve a NP hard

[gleaming knoll]

"|".join(map(escape, inputs)) is possible, but pretty useless
but "going from a concrete string to a pattern" is just impossible, not even NP

[peak egret]

NP stands for not possible right?

[gleaming knoll]

no, non-deterministic polynomial

[gleaming sluice]

obviously it will have some contourings, it will not be able to compute regex's for a specific set of possible patterns.

[silver plover]

"polynomial not possible" would've been clearer 😉

[runic flower]

nondeterministic polynomial-time

[runic flower]

bah, beat me to it

[gleaming sluice]

dementati do you have flavia facebook? i'm tryiing to find the whatsapp group she belonged to but i fail.

[gleaming knoll]

a concrete string cant define a pattern other than a pattern for this string itself

[gleaming sluice]

dementati it can be her email too.

[shrewd pine]

(except it doesn't mean that at all)

[gleaming sluice]

i lost contact with many folks from that time.

[silver plover]

Hey, naming is hard

[shrewd pine]

some NP hard problems might have P solutions

we don't know

[silver plover]

"polynomial not possible as far as we know". pnpafawk

See? Better

[shrewd pine]

afawkward

[gleaming knoll]

like, how do you know that [12, 34] is \d+? or maybe its \d{2}? or maybe its \w{2}? maybe its .{2}? maybe its .*?

[silver plover]

Or it's just (12|34)

[gleaming knoll]

^

[silver plover]

((12)|(34))

[shrewd pine]

def matching_regex(strings):
  return '.*'

[gleaming knoll]

real

[runic flower]

matches (odd digit + even digit)+

[gleaming knoll]

essentially there is an infinite amount of regexes for a finite set of strings

[velvet trout]

What are y'all doing

Are we regexing

[runic flower]

sure. "(?R)*."

[ocean ridge]

@gleaming knoll

def point_side(a,b,p):
  # We have 2 vectors.
  # AB = (bx - ax, by - ay)
  # AP = (px - ax, py - ay)
  # Using cross product formula : x1y2 - y1x2 
  # => AB.x * AP.y - AB.y * AP.x 
  # => (bx - ax) * (py - ay) - (by - ay) * (px - ax)
  # If P is above line AB, output is positive. If its below, negative.
  ax, ay = a
  bx, by = b
  px, py = p

  return(
    (bx - ax) * (py-ay)
    -
    (by - ay) * (px - ax)
  )

finally did this shit

saw some youtube videos too

about cross products.

[inland pendant]

Woah

[ocean ridge]

its kinda complex yeah. i had to study for half an hour to understand this.

[runic flower]

was this purely educational?
if not, did you consider using numpy?

[ocean ridge]

Purely educational.

i wanted to write a physics engine myself

[runic flower]

nice work!

[ocean ridge]

thanks a lot

had to write detailed comments so my lazy ass wont forget it tomorrow 😭

but now everyone can understand it :D

[inland pendant]

I'm a beginner so I barely even know classes lol

[ocean ridge]

Dont worry! we all started as a beginner

[runic flower]

there's a minecraft in python (with opengl) tutorial I enjoyed where a lot of the work he covered was talking about the physics engine side. the collision detection was fun. if you're curious.

[pastel sluice]

3D collision detection is wildly complicated but there's a ton of things you can do to make it far more efficient than it might seem - e.g., starting with spatial partitioning to just check for neighbors, narrow down to gross collisions, etc.

[ocean ridge]

i made my own collision detection too. but rn its only point against point (used in cases where you gotta check if bullet hit smth) in 2d ofc.

def point_polygon(x,y,polygon):
  inside = False
  j = len(polygon) - 1
  for i in range(len(polygon)):
    xi,yi = polygon[i]
    xj,yj = polygon[j]
    
    intersects = ((yi > y) != (yj>y))

    if intersects:
      intersection_x = (
        (xj - xi) * (y - yi)/(yj - yi)
      ) + xi
      
      if intersection_x > x:
        inside = not inside
        
    j = i
  return inside

[ocean ridge]

this was for polygon against polygon

[dry yacht]

narrow down to gross collisions
lmao, first time reading I read that as "narrow down to grass collisions"

[runic flower]

here, it's a fun watch, even if you don't get all of what he's doing, this is part 12 where he gets into physics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkbIOna6RA

[ocean ridge]

woah. minecraft in python. il try that later when im free. seems fun

[rain wren]

Hi everyone 👋
I’m a beginner learning Flask and Django.
I want to build a project but I’m confused about which project/topic I should choose.
Can anyone suggest some beginner-friendly project ideas or help me decide what to build? 🙂

[runic flower]

yeah, it's a really good example of how python is plenty fast, especially when you hand off the important parts to a library (in this case opengl). python keeps up fine. I was imressed by how smooth the parkour map looked.

[cerulean ravine]

a blog might not be interesting, but it's good because you know how it should work.

[runic flower]

There's a number of videos out there where they build the same project in django, flask, and fastapi so you can see some of thebenefits of each.

[ocean ridge]

should i keep my point check as it is or use numpy? i think numpy makes it more readable but i spent like 30 mins writing this shit and now i feel guilty deleting it 🥀

[pastel sluice]

don't turn to numpy unless you're processing, like, 10,000 points.

and again, even then you can use other techniques to cut down the amount of work that has to be done (like spatial partitioning)

[runic flower]

do you have a hobby or interest you could build a site for?
I just built a website for my kid so he can add mods to minecraft and then it'll autogenerate modrinth packs for his friends to join.

[ocean ridge]

why? its just 2d colliders

[floral terrace]

The ever famous todo list lol

[pastel sluice]

exactly my point, then.

[ocean ridge]

makes the code more readable fs

[runic flower]

always fine to keep your code as a reminder to how you did it. but I would absolutely recommend learning numpy.

[main swan]

dang what a cool parent. 🙂

[ocean ridge]

@runic flower

def point_side(a,b,p):
  a = np.array(a)
  b = np.array(b)
  c = np.array(c)
  
  ab = b - a
  ap = p - a
  
  return np.cross(ab,ap)

ur right numpy is better!

[main swan]

numpy is based 🙂

[runic flower]

or I'm a lazy parent and don't want to have to deal with it any time they add a new mod/config. 🙂

[main swan]

por que no los dos?

[rain wren]

I built a Python automation project where users can upload a CSV file and it automatically fills and submits form data on a website based on the CSV fields.
It helps in bulk data entry and reduces manual work.

[ocean ridge]

i googled up numpy cross products and i used this (i alr know how to use numpy for vectors)

[runic flower]

that's a lot more readable. and even better because of the work you put in before you have a better understanding of what it is doing.

[pastel sluice]

the large question is, is dragging numpy into this worth it? does it actually make things faster? the cost of going back and forth between numpy and Python may negate any gains unless you're doing them at scale (again, 10,000 points or sth)

[ocean ridge]

really? numpy is prebuilt right?

how do i test the speed?

[runic flower]

sounds useful!

[pastel sluice]

write the function both ways, time it both ways over many repetition.s

[rain wren]

yeah

[silver plover]

My son didn't understand why I wouldn't let him install a modloader on my main computer. I ended up dual booting.

[ocean ridge]

alr

[pastel sluice]

@ocean ridge whenever you use any external library with binary components, there's a cost involved to calling out to the library. if you're using the library for something trivial, it's possible the cost of the call itself will dwarf any speed gains.

[runic flower]

I put it in a container. 🙂

[silver plover]

Actually, I tried to make it work first on linux and got frustrated... two hours later, I ended up booting a new windows partition.

[silver plover]

(risk of rain was the game in question)

[rain wren]

how many project you create?

[runic flower]

ah ah, not minecraft! I was about to say minecraft on linux is pretty easy to setup.

[rain wren]

can you share your project link ?

[gleaming knoll]

BASED
i love risk of rain

[runic flower]

no idea, surely in the 1000s by now.

[silver plover]

There's some nice mods

[gleaming knoll]

probability of precipitation

there might be droplets

[runic flower]

I never tried RoR, but my kid played it a bit. I should ask about it.

[silver plover]

Yah, it's the main game I play with him. Made me actually want to build a mod.

[rain wren]

can you share a link of your project ?

[gleaming knoll]

c#unityslop 😭

it was pain to set up
as in
get a working development loop
atleast on loonix

[ocean ridge]

kk il time for 100k reqs

[runic flower]

looking now, risk of rain 2 right? or is this one of those things like aoe where the olf version is more popular than the new one.

[silver plover]

ror2

[gleaming knoll]

i was surprised at c# tooling though
like
their language server
decompiles the IL from dlls into files in /tmp/
that you can goto definition to
very cool

[runic flower]

Looking it up, I see people having some success with steam proton to run ror2 on linux because it does not have a native binary.
windows conatiner might be easier. I ahven't tried proton at all yet.

[gleaming knoll]

i used proton for ror2, was good
i think most people who play ror2 on linux do

[runic flower]

No I haven't properly packaged up anything, just something I threw together. I might contact the crafty team and see if they're interested in using it.

[runic flower]

I see a lot of unity games have a healthy modding community like subnautica and valheim.

[gleaming knoll]

because the c# community is insane at hacking shit

[ocean ridge]

@pastel sluice ur right godamn

import time
import numpy as np

def point_side_python(a, b, p):

    ax, ay = a
    bx, by = b
    px, py = p

    return (
        (bx - ax) * (py - ay)
        -
        (by - ay) * (px - ax)
    )


def point_side_numpy(a, b, p):

    a = np.array(a)
    b = np.array(b)
    p = np.array(p)

    ab = b - a
    ap = p - a

    return np.cross(ab, ap)


ITERATIONS = 1_000_000

a = (1, 2)
b = (5, 7)
p = (3, 4)


# PURE PYTHON TEST

start = time.perf_counter()

for _ in range(ITERATIONS):
    point_side_python(a, b, p)

end = time.perf_counter()

python_time = end - start

print(f"Pure Python: {python_time:.6f} seconds")


# NUMPY TEST

start = time.perf_counter()

for _ in range(ITERATIONS):
    point_side_numpy(a, b, p)

end = time.perf_counter()

numpy_time = end - start

print(f"NumPy: {numpy_time:.6f} seconds")


# RESULT

if python_time < numpy_time:
    print("Pure Python was faster")
else:
    print("NumPy was faster")

Output :

Pure Python: 0.199619 seconds
NumPy: 19.176146 seconds
Pure Python was faster

[gleaming knoll]

well, because youre converting from python tuples to numpy arrays each time

[ocean ridge]

yeah

[pastel sluice]

You see what I mean. The problem is that unless you're doing these kinds of manipulations at scale, the cost of going back and forth with numpy is not worth it.

[ocean ridge]

didnt expect to be this slow

[ashen cipher]

19 seconds seems strange

.9 maybe

[ocean ridge]

il write everything in pure python from now

[pastel sluice]

Ah, might be worth retrying with more efficient setup.

[ocean ridge]

see the code if u want

or run it on ur own

[craggy lotus]

Can someone help me figure out what the blue text is supposed to be? #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

[ashen cipher]

i dont have numpy and cant be bothered to wait 10 hours

ah wait 1mil iterations

[ocean ridge]

wdym?

[ashen cipher]

must be FFI overhead and loading into SIMD registers

[ocean ridge]

man you taught me smth great @pastel sluice this never struck me. tysm

[pastel sluice]

as lambda noted, you're converting from python tuples to numpy arrays each time

[shrewd pine]

very unfair comparison 🥴

[ocean ridge]

why?

[shrewd pine]

[ocean ridge]

then what should i do/ my collider algo needs this.

what if position keeps changing every 50 ms?

[shrewd pine]

work with numpy arrays all the time?

[ocean ridge]

nope. kinda new

[pastel sluice]

generally, if you were using numpy as part of some general solution for a game, you'd set things up so that the numpy arrays are created once to hold coordinates for each object, and then just keep all of the collision math in the arrays instead of bouncing back and forth

[shrewd pine]

that's...not what I meant 🥴

[pastel sluice]

but honestly, if you're not dealing with 10,000 points or whatever, you can get a lot done in pure Python with a little care. (again: spatial partitioning to cut down the number of actual collision detections etc)

[ocean ridge]

alr. il just use pure python

[marble agate]

Guys, I’m looking for resources to learn how to profile a python application. I can't find a reliable source.

[pastel sluice]

https://realpython.com/python-profiling/

[rain wren]

remove loop to numpy fast execute

[ashen cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_a0fN48Alw mcoding also has a great vid on this that covers some stuff the RP article doesnt (mainly flamegraphs)

[shrewd pine]

just note that you'll need to implement a lot of stuff to get close to what numpy would give you for free

[ocean ridge]

sure. il gain knowledge when implementing stuff in py

[marble agate]

thanks guys

[quasi shuttle]

i found py-spy to be really useful, it makes standard flamegraphs if youre used to non python profilers

though i couldnt get it to work with any c code

[runic flower]

no that didn't change it much.
this is just one of those things where the example is so small there's no gain in making calls to numpy.

[vital ice]

Hi, I am new here

[frosty oriole]

welcome!

[proper mural]

i've onboarded like thrice in a row

hello world

[silver plover]

stop falling off the boat!

[proper mural]

😛 these buns

after year and a half of no code i'm starting to learn python again fingers crossed

[marble agate]

It seems promising. Let me try it.

[gleaming knoll]

hmmh, real. numpy is really slow here for some reason even if the arrays are already there

[burnt marlin]

hi

[runic flower]

the core issue here (and your code should have produced a warning message) is that numpy does not deal with the 2D vector, and internally appends a 3rd element (0) and does a 3d cross. so it's doing a lot more work.
You can make better use of numpy:

NumPy: 1.915348 seconds
Pure Python: 0.121051 seconds
Pure Python was faster

but your calculation was so simple it's not going to really matter until you start doing way more complex stuff.

[runic flower]

^

[gray pine]

hello

[proper mural]

👋

[raven urchin]

Heloo

[cerulean ravine]

hi, what's up?

[rain wren]

how to master in python ?

[steady rain]

You never do. Delete the words "master" and "mastery" from your vocabulary.

[rain wren]

ok

How do I become really good at Python?

[steady rain]

!learn

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

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HTTPException: 429 Too Many Requests (error code: 40062): Service resource is being rate limited.

[half pewter]

that's unusual

is that a discord error?

[cerulean ravine]

practice

[jaunty valve]

2026-05-08 21:22:53 WARNING discord.http We are being rate limited. GET https://discord.com/api/v10/users/@me responded with 429. Retrying in 3.00 seconds.

[rain wren]

Which one should I practice more? I know the basics.

[cerulean ravine]

pick a project to build

[rain wren]

build project in pure python?

[cerulean ravine]

yes

[rain wren]

all project all about oops ?

[cerulean ravine]

you asked about django & flask, right? I suggested building a blog

[rain wren]

yes but i know authentication or crud operation

[cerulean ravine]

idk what that means. I don't know how to help you find a project.

[rain wren]

flask or django

[pastel sluice]

Flask will be easier to begin with.

Django has a lot of features but it is more complex to learn and get started with.

[rain wren]

yes thats right

[cerulean ravine]

how can we help?

[velvet trout]

[runic flower]

fastapi. 🙂

[rain wren]

Ok

[rain wren]

What project should I create?

[runic flower]

you could try making the same site with all 3 and see which you like.

[rain wren]

Ok

[hybrid nebula]

is there any 'solid-state' way to solve sudokus without bruteforcing and/or backtracking?

[cerulean ravine]

tbh, i don't think it makes sense to do all that work to choose among the frameworks. They don't differ THAT much, and mostly what you need to learn will be common to all three (routes, view functions, serving content, using a database, etc). Pick one framework, and build a blog site.

[runic flower]

yes

discord slowly coming back up.

[craggy lotus]

Doing more uni classwork:

from sklearn.datasets import fetch_california_housing
from sklearn.metrics import mean_squared_error
from sklearn.model_selection import train_test_split
from sklearn.neural_network import MLPRegressor
from sklearn.pipeline import make_pipeline
from sklearn.preprocessing import StandardScaler

housing = fetch_california_housing()
X_train_full, X_test, y_train_full, y_test = train_test_split(
    housing.data, housing.target, random_state=42)
X_train, X_valid, y_train, y_valid = train_test_split(
    X_train_full, y_train_full, random_state=42)

mlp_reg = MLPRegressor(hidden_layer_sizes=[25, 25, 25], random_state=42)

pipeline = make_pipeline(StandardScaler(), mlp_reg)

pipeline.fit(X_train, y_train)
y_pred = pipeline.predict(X_valid)

rmse = mean_squared_error(y_valid, y_pred, squared=False) # about 0.64
print("Root Mean Squared Error:", rmse)

# Plot predicted vs. actual values
plt.plot([min(y_valid), max(y_valid)], [min(y_valid), max(y_valid)], linestyle='--', color='red')
plt.scatter(y_valid, y_pred)
plt.xlabel('Actual Values')
plt.ylabel('Predicted Values')
plt.title('Actual vs. Predicted Housing Prices with Reference Line')
plt.show()

The rmse part is giving an error, how do I fix it? "TypeError: got an unexpected keyword argument 'squared'"

[silver plover]

Look at the doc for mean_squared_error. What parameters does it take?

[runic flower]

I like making sites related to the games I play. Pick a hobby you enjoy and try something related to that.

[real cosmos]

Anyone know why curl is failing here, but not in the command line?

def get_page(url: str) -> str:
    proc = subprocess.Popen(["curl", "-s", "-A", "QuintinCSProject", url], stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
    proc.wait(5)
    data, err = proc.communicate()

    if err is not None:
        raise Exception(err.decode())

    return data.decode()

And yes, I do know I can use a library like requests for this. This is for a project in a class which a requirement is to do it using curl.

[craggy lotus]

Ah, says y_true instead of y_valid, the PDF file is wrong again

Unless it's not

[real cosmos]

The exception is subprocess timing out. Increasing it to 10 seconds doesn't change the outcome. Using command line it only takes at most 2 seconds.

[pastel sluice]

print out your URL and make sure it's correct. that sounds like a dns timeout

[terse mauve]

I feel like this fits more in #1035199133436354600 .

But anyway, what's the error message?

[rain wren]

Yeah

[real cosmos]

Okaay... I removed the proc.wait and it fixed it... I'm confused

[runic flower]

are you hittig the same curl? powershell curl != bash curl

[rain wren]

Thank you for helping me

[runic flower]

ah, great!

[real cosmos]

im confused but I'm assuming I should've read docs on proc.wait lol

[silver plover]

I think you don't understand how named / positional parameters work, and are trying to solve problems without a strong grasp of Python. That's OK, but let's slow down and explain it.

Your code had: rmse = mean_squared_error(y_valid, y_pred, squared=False)

You're calling mean_squared_error with two positional arguments, and one named.

y_valid and y_pred will map to whatever the first two parameters are... y_true and y_pred. This is as if you typed: rmse = mean_squared_error(y_true=y_valid, y_pred=y_pred, squared=False)

So that's totally cool. No problem so far. The problem, as your error message tells you, is: "TypeError: got an unexpected keyword argument 'squared'" . This is telling you that there is no squared parameter.

[craggy lotus]

It works if I remove the squared=False part, it's shows the chart

I think it's just showing everything instead

[zealous edge]

welp

hello people

[raven urchin]

hello!

[zealous edge]

i want to have a goal of making a SaaS website

what would help people?

[crisp jay]

SaaS in 2026 🥀

[zealous edge]

then what in 2026??

[raven urchin]

guys I need ideas for the layout of my to-do list app 😔

[zealous edge]

i need ideas to make money

[gleaming knoll]

to-do lisp app

[raven urchin]

to-do lsp

[gleaming knoll]

i hate all the ~/.dotfiles and ~/.config/x dirs from stuff i dont care about
~ is supposed to be my home, not a dump for npm and rustup and nuget and whatever

[vale wasp]

What are you thinking?

[raven urchin]

I mean, I have the widget to display the tasks, also have two buttons that are supposed to be "done/pending" toggle and one to set the deadline
Now I'm researching a bit on how to make a header

[vale wasp]

What other functionality do you want to put in that isn't handled by what you have?

[vale wasp]

Where should user specific things like that be?

[raven urchin]

well, I want to change the QListWidget in some way to display when a taks has been marked as done

i still have to go through most of the docs, I just focused on the signals to make sure it works how I thought it works

It surely has a way of categorizing

[gleaming knoll]

~/.config would be fine for stuff after you change from defaults
but putting stuff right into ~ is madness

[vale wasp]

You could just update the text of it to include something like an X or a ✅ or something like that.

[vale wasp]

In ~ without putting it in a subdirectory?

[gleaming knoll]

yeah

like i really dont want to see ~/.npm
please put it into ~/.local/state/ or whatever like i dont know

[raven urchin]

that might work, but for my intention I think the changing categories approach will be a lot better

[zealous edge]

well im back

i came up with an idea

[vale wasp]

That does make sense. It should be in a subdirectory. And on a Mac it's worse because there's the Library to store that stuff.

[robust ledge]

Isn't the point of a dot file that you don't see it unless you explicitly ask to see it?

[vale wasp]

That could also work.

[vale wasp]

Right but if I'm doing ls -la I don't want to see a ton of files that I don't know what they are.

[zealous edge]

my saas which generates emails with 5 variants using ai, and has a price of $5/month i need some thoughts before i start...

[gleaming knoll]

yes, but its still polluting my home
i want my home to be what i want it to, not have apps store their stuff in it by default

[robust ledge]

But... you asked to see them. Why are you showing all if you don't want to see all? Maybe I'm just tired and overly pointed on a Friday.

[vale wasp]

It's not their existence, it's that there's no organization to them.

[robust ledge]

That makes more sense to me.

[gleaming knoll]

stuff like ~/.Xauthority makes me sad

[zealous edge]

guys

what are good saas ideas?

[charred tusk]

The ones I’m doing

[vale wasp]

You sure they're good?

[charred tusk]

HEY

[charred tusk]

Wassdat

[vale wasp]

I didn't say they weren't. I just asked if you're sure they are.

[charred tusk]

Why does X need authority?

[vale wasp]

Elon wants everything.

[charred tusk]

Every day Xorg strays closer to Borg

[charred tusk]

Damn your joke was better than mine

[vale wasp]

Thank you.

[charred tusk]

🙄

[gleaming knoll]

binary record of an authentication key for the X11 windowing system so only authorized users can interact with graphics

binary record
in my fucking home directory
as a bare file
who thought this was a good idea

[charred tusk]

I can’t parse that sentence

[vale wasp]

Is it at least encrypted?

[charred tusk]

Isn’t “who gets to use the computer” controlled by the login manager?

[sterile raft]

hey! i'm new to Python, i have to learn it for my job (even though I'm almost 40 🤦‍♂️ ) is Python Crash course a good starting point?

[vale wasp]

You can be authorized to use the computer as shell login only without X.

[gleaming knoll]

no, but its protected by file permissions

[vale wasp]

!slorb

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[charred tusk]

If I have SDDM, then who is Xorg to try and met out authority??

[sterile raft]

ty ty !

[charred tusk]

I think I’ve heard good thinks about that one

[vale wasp]

So it's a permission system that isn't really protected at all?

[sterile raft]

oh great thanks!

[gleaming knoll]

i mean, it is as protected as the user of the xauthority file

you need to remember that x11 runs a server

[charred tusk]

One is just because I wanted to
The other is actually really nice though
And I’m explicitly roadmapping features based on what I actually need at work

[vale wasp]

I know.

[vale wasp]

Wanna share?

[gleaming knoll]

the server cant know what OS-user is sending requests to it, only the address

[charred tusk]

I didn’t

[vale wasp]

Or is it too work related?

[charred tusk]

At least I forgot
It’s Friday
Thinking is too hard

[vale wasp]

Thinking is easy if it doesn't need to be coherent thoughts.

[gleaming knoll]

fake
thinking is always hard

[vale wasp]

Thinking is so easy I don't even need to think about it.

[zealous edge]

welp

[charred tusk]

Nah they’re not secret I’m just running around on mobile and can’t type a lot quite yet
https://wiki.tailstory.dev/
https://dotforge.tailstory.dev/

[vale wasp]

👍

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Is Python your first programming language? If not, what is it?**

Suggest more topics here!

[vale wasp]

It is not. I started programming in BASIC on a Commodore 64

[silver plover]

What 'it' are you referring to? Poorly worded question.

[main swan]

I started with C++, probably explains a lot about my bad habits.

[charred tusk]

The first time you caught a Python in your boots, obviously

[silver plover]

What my first language was? Where Python sits in my list? It as a preposition?

[silver plover]

Do they make python skinned boots?

[charred tusk]

They do!

https://danpostboots.com/collections/snakeskin-boots

[vale wasp]

Could be either "Python" or "your first programming language". Since the latter makes more sense that is how I interpret it but you are correct, that pronoun could refer to either.

[vale wasp]

SNAKESKIN BOOTS??? NO!!! We love sneks!!!

[charred tusk]

Never visit China

[vale wasp]

"vais it"???

[charred tusk]

You don’t wanna know what they do there

[vale wasp]

Been there.

[charred tusk]

😲

[vale wasp]

Work. Twice. Neither was a fun visit.

[charred tusk]

You better not have engaged in the local cuisine!!1!

[vale wasp]

I love Chinese food.

[silver plover]

I ate like a king. I'm still angry about how much I ate

[zealous edge]

on topic heh

[vale wasp]

The sushi was amazing.

[zealous edge]

joking

[silver plover]

Eh, it's Friday night. Wanna talk langchain?

[vale wasp]

🙅

[zealous edge]

😭

langchain will fry my brain

[raven urchin]

isn't that japanese?

[silver plover]

It's pretty straight forward

[zealous edge]

i need to think of ways tk make money

[vale wasp]

It is but they took me to a sushi restaurant.

[charred tusk]

Get in on the AI scams

[zealous edge]

no

[silver plover]

I went to a kfc in Beijing

[zealous edge]

be real not an idiot

[charred tusk]

Why not?

[raven urchin]

lmao

[zealous edge]

im not doing scams bro

[charred tusk]

Wow
Rude

Do you have any idea how much money Gippity is making off everyone right now?

[runic flower]

I went to a Dunkin Donuts in Spain. Blew my mind, had not expected there to be one there.

[zealous edge]

ive came here to seek real advice, not your bullshit

[silver plover]

Oh, hah, me too. Malaga.

[vale wasp]

My hosts would order McDonalds for lunch almost every day. But never hamburgers. Only chicken sandwiches.

[silver plover]

He was kidding

[zealous edge]

doesnt mean i want a joke

[runic flower]

Damn, It might have been the same one!

[zealous edge]

i want a legitimate answer

[silver plover]

But, there's ways to make a buck; be first, be better, or cheat.

[vale wasp]

There was a Dunkin in Jerusalem for a while.

[golden mortar]

I can't really relate to going to a foreign country and locating a restaurant that serves your home country's cuisine.

[charred tusk]

Or all three!

[vale wasp]

I was living in Israel at the time.

[silver plover]

And a Starbucks in the forbidden city.

[steady rain]

Did they serve unleavened doughnuts?
🥁

[vale wasp]

Only during Passover.

[steady rain]

Did they really?

[vale wasp]

Passover, when restaurants in Israel will serve a bacon cheeseburger on matza because it's illegal to sell bread.

[vale wasp]

No. They closed for the week.

[zealous edge]

guys

[steady rain]

Gotta admire that after 3000 years, they're still committed to the bit.

[zealous edge]

do poeple pay for services which use ai to generate documentation?

[vale wasp]

I wouldn't.

I don't think I know anyone that would.

[golden mortar]

Why would you pay for a specialized service that does it when you can just pay for a general LLM that can do it?

[zealous edge]

honestly no clue

im lost with ideas now, going crazy

[silver plover]

There are some, kapa.ai is used by some oss vendors

[steady rain]

Documentation is only useful if it's correct. How much labor does it save to have AI generated documentation when it still has to be meticulously validated?

[silver plover]

Err oss orgs

[zealous edge]

trying to get ideas for making a saas

[onyx mica]

How can I get back into my prime in coding

[steady rain]

And not just partially or mostly correct. It needs to be completely correct

[steady rain]

Just start coding. Pick something and do it.

[vale wasp]

Write code.

[zealous edge]

welp. do you have any saas ideas which would benifit you?

[golden mortar]

Well, quite a lot writing it.

[zealous edge]

in terms of workflow

[crisp jay]

Learn assembly

[onyx mica]

Yea I need to lock in. I miss myself when I used to code for hours. Past few years, I have been avoiding coding and the computing industry itself

[silver plover]

A git cli where I didn't have to remember anything

The number of times I need to google 'how to undo that commit'

[vale wasp]

Why a CLI and not some kind of GUI/TUI?

[onyx mica]

The dawn of AI ruined programming

[steady rain]

You don't need to code for hours if you don't feel like it. You'll just feel resentment that way.

[onyx mica]

I hate AI for that

[golden mortar]

Look, if there was an obvious good idea that was marketable, that could be implemented by a single developer with no funding, someone would have done it already.

[silver plover]

In the beginning the Universe was created.This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

[onyx mica]

Yea, but coding was something I really genuinely deep down find interest in.

[vale wasp]

So long and thanks for all the fish.

[zealous edge]

i mean thats very true 😂

[silver plover]

Coding will survive. And probably be more enjoyable.

[zealous edge]

but would you pay for that??

[vale wasp]

Ignore the slop and code what you want. What interests you. Scratch your own itch.

[silver plover]

No idea. Businesses pay for security, support and serenity (the last one I made up)

[zealous edge]

exactly

[onyx mica]

I don't know about nowadays kids use "vibe coding" what's that all about

[steady rain]

I like it

[zealous edge]

welp ill just make an ass discord bot 😂

[silver plover]

Imagine going for a drive in a Tesla with autopilot, and taking a nap in the backseat

[vale wasp]

It's using the slop machine to get things that they don't understand. Don't worry about that and just code what you want.

[steady rain]

Vibe coding is LLM maxing

[runic flower]

it's a phrase whose definition is evolving.

[onyx mica]

When I learned python back in the days, I used to create discord bots

[onyx mica]

That made me laugh

[silver plover]

I'm in a mood

[runic flower]

I was gifted full autodrive from tesla, and every time I tried it, it underperformed and I disabled it.
Even when you do trust it, every now and then it has a habit of "I don't know what to do, you better take over".
LLM's rarely seem to have a "you better take over" mode, they just go on the wrong path and then try to explain why they were right.

[golden mortar]

Well, if an LLM going off-road made your computer catch fire, frontier AI labs would also add such a feature I imagine.

[silver plover]

I've spent a lot of this week doing some langgraph stuff and tryin to generate some of the easy bits... at least working stubs until I go back and fix it. I think there's this inherent problem: some problems have complexity that is impossible to summarize in a simple prompt: it'll do some overly complex thing, present some too short summary, and ask for my approval: and there's no way for me to approve without walking through it piece by piece, in which case, I'm back where I started.

[vale wasp]

I saw LLM generated code today:

if condition:
    do_something()
elif other_condition:
    # don't do anything here
    pass
else:
   do_other_thing()

WHY??? Just do elif not other_condition

[burnt pier]

is there anywhere I can ask people to review some code I've written?

[silver plover]

The complete lack of pushback was the more worrisome part; it'd throw out my entire design just to hack some mthing in

[silver plover]

Yup, #❓｜how-to-get-help open a thread

[golden mortar]

There's a code review tag you can add to #1035199133436354600 threads

[burnt pier]

I'll do that, thanks!

[charred tusk]

Alright here we go --

Wiki project is just ripping off Microsoft Learn because I always thought their build ecosystem was really cool. Each product on there has its own docs repo and there's infra that publishes them all together, with a Cloudflare Worker that parses the URL and finds the right one and fills in the contents and builds the sidebar and stuffs

Dotforge (who's name I'm still not happy with) is "https://excalidraw.com/ with a page size" because I want a dead simple way to "just put two text fields and print a page". Users are using PowerPoint for this right now.
We have one of the most expensive label making software products out there, but it requires an entire wizard to connect an Excel spreadsheet to generate bulk labels.
So I'm going to put Jinja-style placeholders in my text fields, then have a button that takes template+CSV then matches the placeholders to the column names.
Long term I want to build an online ZPL editor because every one that I've seen is some random ass site with a 5 to 12 year old download.

[vale wasp]

Nice!

[terse mauve]

WHY???

By generating more verbose output it would consume more tokens paid by the user

[charred tusk]

I've done that a couple of times to make it clear that I was explicitly ignoring a condition
But I left comments about it

[runic flower]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/29/claude-ai-deletes-firm-database

It only took nine seconds for an AI coding agent gone rogue to delete a company’s entire production database and its backups

[charred tusk]

you actually mean that, right?? 🥺

[vale wasp]

You can add the comment without elif: pass

[vale wasp]

Yes!

[charred tusk]

[brisk gazelle]

I place this firmly in the realm of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" category.

[robust ledge]

I'm not sure I buy the "gone rogue". It was doing exactly what a model does. Deterministic results is not part of that contract.

[vale wasp]

"Engineer" who posted the PR agreed with my comment that it was pointless. So why didn't he fix it before putting up the PR?

[golden mortar]

Yeah, that is technically possible, but only happens in very specific circumstances where you have a valuable production database and the LLM can access it. But a car that goes into the opposite lane or off a bridge kills you every time.

There's just so many more ways it can cause extreme harm.

[runic flower]

that was kinda the problem though, it was not.

The agent appeared to plead guilty in its own response: “The system rules I operate under explicitly state: ‘NEVER run destructive/irreversible git commands (like push --force, hard reset, etc) unless the user explicitly requests them.’” While PocketOS relied on the safeguards that Cursor is expected to have in place – it deleted the data anyway. “I violated every principle I was given,” the coding agent wrote.

[terse mauve]

That's because he's lazy? developers brainrot 🤷‍♂️

[vale wasp]

Maybe.

[robust ledge]

Working as designed. Deterministic results are not part of that design. They are adhoc add-ons full of "please don't mess up" and markdown files.

[charred tusk]

Yeah

[golden mortar]

Still seems like they were relying on the prompt to provide the guardrails, which is not contractually guaranteed.

[vale wasp]

Stochastic parrot doesn't understand rules, only tokens.

[sand hornet]

"idk, I get paid for the amount of money I burn on AI usage.. I'm not here to be efficient"
-Other 'engineer' that works with Dan

[golden mortar]

The prompt is a suggestion, guardrails should be deterministic external processes.

[charred tusk]

There it is. re.findall(r"\d+", "12") returns ["12"] → [12], not [1, 2].
This is the exact thing I asked you about three turns ago and you said:
“12” should actually be [1,2], “11” is junk data
…and then I changed _find_numbers_in_text to use \d+ regex, which does the opposite of what you asked for. I broke it. Sorry about that.

[runic flower]

I'm still in the ask AI advice model where I never let it touch my actual code. I get a lot of utility out of Ai without exposing myself to risk. I can't imagine giving AI the ability to remove a database or backups, even with rules not to do that. Why expose it.

[charred tusk]

They always say “oops I messed up”
But it’s retroactive
They didn’t process it in the moment

[robust ledge]

The greatest barrier I have with LLMs in my field is the lack of deterministic results. It's a mental struggle for me to reach for a tool that I cannot predict.

[sand hornet]

A great show of how this doesn't work, ask Apple Intelligence about the war in Israel (it makes me very happy that their guardrails still don't work tbh)

[golden mortar]

Having it touch code and having it touch ops interfaces are pretty different things though.

[runic flower]

I see AI apologies far too often. Also, have you ever used parse? it's like re, but if you input data of a type, it gives you the data as that type.

[golden mortar]

If you use it to write code, you can just revert it if it's not what you wanted.

[crisp jay]

Its interesting how LLM works ngl

[charred tusk]

This is actually a benefit for me because I use them mostly as a sounding board for ideas
So if I don’t like an idea I can hit “try again” and get a whole new one

[robust ledge]

Yeah, I'm told I should do that. I don't. Perhaps I'm too stubborn. I like my own creative process.

[sand hornet]

I stand corrected, Apple did finally patch asking Siri about the Israel-Palestine conflict.. Anyways..

[runic flower]

Like anything else, there is a learned skill to it.
I think the more you interact with AI the more you start to recognize when it's exploring paths that are a waste of time and you can adjust it.
"ai: you need to do x, here's why it will work"
"me: ffs, that's a red herring, lets get back on track"
"ai: ah, you're right!"
/rolleyes

[golden mortar]

That's the kind of thing where I feel like model choice matters a lot

I experience such things a lot less with the newer more powerful models

[runic flower]

probably true.

[runic flower]

there's a reason why some models are more expensive than others, and it's generally: because they're worth it.

[robust ledge]

I look forward to those models. Less for me to clean up afterward.

[quasi shuttle]

is there a clean way to get the head of a list without doing the ugly next(iter(lst))

[charred tusk]

The problem with trying to fit an entire company’s infrastructure inside a single doggo is that I have to touch so many different ecosystems.

If I’m in my element and playing with Python all day, then sure, my creativity will kick in and I’ll have fun playing around.

But when I have to go from learning about an Ansible deprecation to reading JVM source code to try and get my custom JDBC driver working, to arguing with Spring Boot and Hibernate because they’re both trying to apply their own standardized transforms on my legacy DB that’s read only and not SQL compliant so the standard connection test query doesn’t work, to trying to understand why Cloudflare is ignoring my secrets, to updating to this weeks’s JavaScript framework, to…

When I have all that come up in a single day, I… I just don’t have enough creative energy to want to dig into the depths of every single one of those ecosystems.
I just wanna get the needful done so I can start over in the next completely different ecosystem.

[granite wyvern]

lst[0]? If it's really a list.

[quasi shuttle]

i want None if its empty

[granite wyvern]

lst[0] if lst else None

[raven urchin]

@vale wasp well, I managed to create a second list and move between them :3

[granite wyvern]

you can always write yourself a first() function with the behaviour you want.

[raven urchin]

It could loook a lot better, but that's for the end!

[quasi shuttle]

thats kinda worse than next iter i think

[quasi shuttle]

was just seeing if there was some kinda builtin

[robust ledge]

I agree. Your job is not ideal.

[raw bramble]

Nah I feel it’s a lot clearer

[wise yarrow]

next(iter(lst)) wouldn't give you None when lst is empty either, you'd need next(iter(lst), None)

[granite wyvern]

If you next iter on something that's an iterable but not a sequence you consume it

[quasi shuttle]

oh damn

[granite wyvern]

sorry, not "iterable", "iterator"

Which one is clearer is subjective. I'd do the if/else because I don't need to think carefully about what effects next would have

[sullen dust]

Is learning about the Big O notation worth it?

[sand hornet]

Yes

[sullen dust]

where can I learn about it 😭

[granite wyvern]

For special purpose things, often not. But worth asking.

On the subject of writing your own function: I accrue little things like this all the time. Keep them around!
Eg: https://pypi.org/project/cs-seq/
Scroll down to the "Short summary:"; it's basicly a collection of little things like this.

[terse mauve]

Any modern search engine would yield good results

[granite wyvern]

Here is a decent starting place, with many references to follow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_O_notation

[sullen dust]

ig i mean that sort of maths, what's the wider topic worth learning for stuff like big O?

[sand hornet]

Couple sources (take your pick);
CS50 from Harvard has a doc - https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2020/notes/3/
(Corrected) Ned did a talk about Big-O at PyCon Cleveland 2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duvZ-2UK0fc
And I'm sure there's plenty of others about it..

OH HEY the FreeCodeCamp link is ned's talk

[sullen dust]

alr thx alott 🙏

[fiery yarrow]

fcc stealing other people's content?
surprise

[sand hornet]

It's from PyCon at least, probably was some sponsor something (I'd hope)

Did update the link to some PyCon 2018 channel

[vale wasp]

❤️

[raven urchin]

I think I will change it now

instead of having a single thingy with buttons

Ill add a dialog that pops up when you double-click a task

and the main menu will be exclusive to add, delete and mark done/pending

Also, I noticed you can put icons in this thingy

[spice hill]

Smh using \d

[charred tusk]

Blame AI

But I’m writing the input data by hand and the only inputs are some combination of 1,2,3,4 — almost always written as 12,12,34,34
So I could really use practically anything because my input is so constrained.

[raven urchin]

DAMN

It feels so good to remember a trick someone shoomp showed me before heheehehehe

I remembered that it's valid to create items in a loop in pyside hehe

[fiery yarrow]

what wrong with \d

[granite wyvern]

Nothing, provided you know what it really does.

\d

For Unicode (str) patterns:

    Matches any Unicode decimal digit (that is, any character in Unicode character category [Nd]). This includes [0-9], and also many other digit characters.

    Matches [0-9] if the ASCII flag is used.
For 8-bit (bytes) patterns:

    Matches any decimal digit in the ASCII character set; this is equivalent to [0-9].

In short: if you want the ASCII digits, use that match mode.

[tidal lily]

!e

import re
print(re.search(r"\d", "٨"))

[edgy kraken]

Sorry, an unexpected error occurred. Please let us know!

HTTPException: 429 Too Many Requests (error code: 40062): Service resource is being rate limited.

[robust ledge]

wow

[tidal lily]

lol

[edgy kraken]

Sorry, an unexpected error occurred. Please let us know!

HTTPException: 429 Too Many Requests (error code: 40062): Service resource is being rate limited.

[tidal lily]

we have the same privs

[granite wyvern]

There is/was a discord API outage this morning

[silver plover]

Big aws east outage

[granite wyvern]

Aye. I took the silence to be lack of privs, rather than the outage I'd thought fixed.

[sand hornet]

It's back at 400ms for a response time, but says it's 0 according to the chart

[silver plover]

https://www.networkworld.com/article/4168878/aws-hit-by-us-east-1-outage-after-data-center-thermal-event.html

[sand hornet]

Again?

[tidal lily]

"thermal event". very apocalyptic

[sand hornet]

Fucking us-east-1

[silver plover]

That was from earlier, I assume discord related

[granite wyvern]

Ah, a data centre thermal event 🙂

We went onsite to investigate an outage once and found them hosing down the radiators at the top of the building.

[robust ledge]

aka: once again businesses consider thinking about not being tied to us-east-1 as their only deployment. ((nothing will happen))

[silver plover]

Sounds cooler than 'our ac broke'

[sand hornet]

A bunch of businesses did move to us-west-2 and us-central(-1) after the last us-east-1 incident..

[silver plover]

Doesn't matter to my business. When aws east goes out, everything else is down anyway

[robust ledge]

That's the spirit!

[raven urchin]

@vale wasp hehehe
I got an icon, and it changes depending on the list the item is in, its either a check or an x

it's so goated to have stuff working by yourself :D

[trail inlet]

I want to kill pip

[silver plover]

I remember one big outage 10 years ago... I was working on some code on a Friday night, and watching a movie. And my movie stopped streaming so I went to bed.

Turns out our entire service crashed and nothing was alerting

[spice hill]

Most of the time not what you really mean (you mean [0-9])

[silver plover]

But it was ok, since Netflix went down

Great story.

[tidal lily]

yeah, looks like the bot's been getting 429s for a few hours now

[sand hornet]

I like how the last two errors are related to the conflict in the middle east.. So if it's not an issue with us-east-1 it's just a UAE conflict issue lol

[short flame]

Hi guys could anyone help me with python beginner test to test math skll

[granite wyvern]

We can help with specific questions, but we don't "do" the test - just assist you.

!rule exam

[edgy kraken]

Rules

8. Do not help with ongoing exams. When helping with homework, help people learn how to do the assignment without doing it for them.

[granite wyvern]

So we're happy to help with things you don't understand etc.

[short flame]

Okay now I gotcha thank you 😊

[trail inlet]

I have something I want to say about what I'm doing (I'm trying to teach myself ML), but is there a way to pre-screen it through the rules? I have autism and some things aren't clear.

[granite wyvern]

Maybe just say it with a disclaimer up front, or describe what you want to say or something.

[trail inlet]

After hours of wading through dependency hell with pip, I wrote this out of frustration. Not meant to offend

||Our CUDA, which art in false install,
Hallowed be thy stable release.
Thy compute realm come,
Thy tensors be run,
On GPU as it is on CPU.

Give us this day our daily .to(device),
And forgive us our missing dependencies,
As we forgive those who break our torch.__version__.

Lead us not into environment hell,
But deliver us from undefined symbol.
For thine is the autograd,
The torch.nn and the torch.jit,
Forever and ever (or until the next driver update).

A-men (torch.cuda.is_available() = True)||

[tidal lily]

ah, another victim of cuda

[trail inlet]

Trying to train an NER on BC5CDR

[robust ledge]

For a moment I was thinking conda

[fiery yarrow]

language trivia:
the word commonly mistranslated as "daily" has no confirmed meaning

[trail inlet]

Got this lovely gem: ValueError: Due to a serious vulnerability issue in `torch.load`, even with `weights_only=True`, we now require users to upgrade torch to at least v2.6 in order to use the function. This version restriction does not apply when loading files with safetensors. See the vulnerability report here https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2025-32434

[trail inlet]

Interesting. Thanks for the tidbit

[tidal lily]

huh.... how does it raise an error for an already installed package. Or did you pin the version to something below 2.6 on purpose

[trail inlet]

Probably some other package that pinned them together

[velvet trout]

[vale wasp]

Nice!

[raven urchin]

Now I have to decide on the behaviour before going on

I'm kinda undecisive on this

Rn double click toggles done/pending, and I have buttons that interact with the selected task
But I feel like a dialog when double clicking should be better, no?

[vale wasp]

That depends. What would the dialog to?

[raven urchin]

Wait, thinking about it, instead of a dialog it should just be a right-click menu

that would be nice for edit, mark as done/pending, delete

[vale wasp]

Reasonable.

[raven urchin]

now I have to figure out how to differentiate between left and right click and how to make a toolbar-like menu

[vale wasp]

I'm sure there's documentation for how to do a context menu.

[raven urchin]

that's how they're called? thanks :3

[vale wasp]

You're welcome.

[raven urchin]

Well, it was easy to make it spawn :D

[vale wasp]

❤️

[raven urchin]

tysm

[vale wasp]

Happy to be a for you.

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**Has a recently discovered Python module changed your general use of Python?**

Suggest more topics here!

[vale wasp]

!pypi dykes
I know I say this a lot but it has mad making simple CLI apps so much better.

[edgy kraken]

dykes v0.5.0

A tiny declarative Argparse wrapper.

Released on <t:1773787521:D>.

[velvet trout]

os

[vale wasp]

You recently discovered os?

[velvet trout]

😁

[crisp jay]

!d pathlib

[velvet trout]

pathlib mentioned 🗣️🔥

[edgy kraken]

Sorry, an unexpected error occurred. Please let us know!

HTTPException: 429 Too Many Requests (error code: 40062): Service resource is being rate limited.

[vale wasp]

It doesn't like you. pathlib is an excellent module.

[velvet trout]

os discovered me

[velvet thorn]

🙁

[velvet trout]

🗿

[crisp jay]

its very nice that you can have an path object thats a file and open it without using open with context manager

[velvet thorn]

trying to send a screen of my noob code to ask a question

[craggy trench]

python why doest thou so to us

[vale wasp]

You can open it with open and get a file object too. It's more intuitive than using strings for paths also.

[velvet trout]

How the heck can you send your monitor display over a message

!paste use this service

[edgy kraken]

Pasting large amounts of code

So that everyone can easily read your code, you can paste it in this website:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[raven urchin]

Pathlib 🔥

[velvet trout]

I haven't even written too much code to say general usage lmao

[velvet thorn]

Thanks, Python bot

[vale wasp]

I had to write recursive code today. It was just so much cleaner than a non-recursive way.

And so many coroutines. No async, just coroutines.

[velvet thorn]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/T5IA after Line 11 - can i loop or exit the program if someone fails to input what they are asked for?

[velvet trout]

What... isn't coroutine usable in async context only

[vale wasp]

No. yield from makes it a coroutine.

[velvet trout]

Isn't that... A generator?

[vale wasp]

Yeah. Put that block in a while True: and break on a valid response.

[vale wasp]

A generator yields . A coroutine yield from another generator.

[crisp jay]

maybe its the discord API being down

[velvet trout]

yield from coroutine?

[vale wasp]

Rate limited by docs.python.org

https://youtu.be/tHLOtZNsCBc

[velvet thorn]

Thank you, I'll try to work that out now (haven't used this statement before)

[vale wasp]

Do you know what a while loop is?

[gleaming knoll]

await ~ yield from so kinda yes, but generators can yield from too

[velvet thorn]

I don't know how to use it but I know what it is

[spice hill]

coroutine is an old-fashioned term for a generator to which you're supposed to .send() something: https://peps.python.org/pep-0342/

(in Python, that is)

[vale wasp]

send is what differentiates a coroutine from a generator?

[velvet trout]

Was i living in a lie?

[vale wasp]

Generators are what make async possible... Let me find the video for that talk 😃

[velvet trout]

At this point, i am satisfied with the iterators. 🥀

[velvet trout]

Does Python make a difference or are they the same?

[vale wasp]

https://youtu.be/iU6QK54Exik

[velvet trout]

2.1?

1.6?

[vale wasp]

Chris had fun with that one. It's a good talk.

[gleaming knoll]

because 2.2 got builtin support for generators

[velvet trout]

Real

[spice hill]

According to PEP 342, send and throw are what allows you to use generators as coroutines

Python’s generator functions are almost coroutines – but not quite – in that they allow pausing execution to produce a value, but do not provide for values or exceptions to be passed in when execution resumes.

[gleaming knoll]

!pep 255

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 255 - Simple Generators**

Status

Final

Python Version

2.2

Created

18-May-2001

Type

Standards Track

[velvet trout]

[vale wasp]

Fair enough.

[spice hill]

Anything with a yield or yield from expression is a generator. "Coroutine" is more of a role that you describe a generator having

[fiery yarrow]

Coroutines are a more generalized form of subroutines. Subroutines are entered at one point and exited at another point. Coroutines can be entered, exited, and resumed at many different points. They can be implemented with the async def statement. See also PEP 492
subroutine:
lol not defined

[velvet trout]

class Generator(Coroutine) or class Coroutine(Generator)?

[vale wasp]

Neither.

[velvet trout]

So coroutine is a behavioural/usage property of a generator?

[velvet trout]

[spice hill]

yes

[velvet trout]

property*

[vale wasp]

A generator is a function. I guess you could have a class that's a generator if it defines __iter__ and yields from that.

[fiery yarrow]

from the python glossary, sending stuff to a generator is not an innate possibility

[vale wasp]

A generator is not necessarily a function - there are generator comprehensions as well.

[velvet trout]

[vale wasp]

I know I contradicted myself.

[velvet trout]

both boils down to the generator object, right?

[vale wasp]

A generator function returns a generator object as does a generator comprehension (in the same way a list comprehension returns a list.)

[fiery yarrow]

yeah the glossary definitions seem kinda uhhh off

[velvet trout]

Real

[gleaming knoll]

fun fact you can yield in lambdas
because yield expression

[fiery yarrow]

generator
A function which returns a generator iterator. [blah similar to regular function but with yield blah]

Usually refers to a generator function, but may refer to a generator iterator in some contexts. In cases where the intended meaning isn’t clear, using the full terms avoids ambiguity.

[vale wasp]

I want to rewrite some things to use async but my boss won't give me the time. I think it would make some things much more efficient and probably save us $$$ in AWS compute.

[spice hill]

!zen ambiguity

[edgy kraken]

The Zen of Python (line 11):

In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.

[spice hill]

smh

[vale wasp]

class Gen:
    def __init__(self, iterable: Iterable):
        self.iterable = iterable

    def __iter__(self):
        for item in self.iterable:
            yield item

gen = gen(range(10))

Is gen a generator?

[fiery yarrow]

generators are functions!
but sometimes not.
also generator expressions exist, the glossary definition of which does not contain the term generator or yield

[velvet trout]

It's an Iterator?

[celest osprey]

iter(self.iterable)

[vale wasp]

If you call iter(gen) you get an iterator.

[velvet trout]

Oh wait u haven't imp next

I gotta wash my eyes

It uses yield so its so it makes a gen obj

[vale wasp]

You don't need to implement __next__ 😃

[velvet trout]

doing iter() will produce a generatoe

gen is just an iterable

[vale wasp]

But if you do type(gen) you'll get Gen back.

[velvet trout]

Yes

I misread your code initially otherwise i almost got it

[vale wasp]

Not generator

[velvet thorn]

Wow, I just lol'd when I figured it out! I realized I phrased my question poorly but the result was funny. What I meant to ask was, is there a way to loop back through if/elif/else statements if none of the conditions are met? while True: just looped line 11 (which was hysterical)

[velvet trout]

Real

[velvet trout]

I think it will return a new generator object every time we do iter(gen)

And generator implements iterator protocol, so yeah every generator object is a new iterator object

[spice hill]

According to https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Generator, a generator needs send, throw, close, __iter__, __next__

[velvet trout]

So a Generator is iterator protocol + throw, send and close methods? Makes sense

And what's a coroutine then? What is its protocol?

[fiery yarrow]

the chart near the top of the collections.abc page is an absolutely based pydocs feature

[stray field]

Coroutine protocol is __next__, throw, send, close

[vale wasp]

I said "the block"

[vale wasp]

I wasn't gonna do all that on my iPad 😃

[spice hill]

In the old meaning of the term, it's a generator that has non-trivial send and throw implementations. A generator that does something interesting when you send it a value.
In the modern meaning of the term, it's the object produced by calling an async def function (unless it has yield, in which case it produces an async generator).

[velvet thorn]

Hmm yes you did. Okay, I'll keep trying to implement it properly

Thanks @vale wasp !!

[vale wasp]

You're welcome.

[velvet trout]

abc.Coroutine is a throw, send, close for generator-behaviour, except it doesn't implement iterator protocol and has dunder await to make it awaitable?

[fiery yarrow]

ABC       | inherits  | abstract meth | mixin meths
Awaitable | ---       | __await__     | ---
Coroutine | Awaitable | send, throw   | close

i wish the text box had better support for quoted code blocks 😔

[raven urchin]

Sob, I want to keep going but I now have to study a bit and then go to sleep, I'll keep going on tuesday probably 💔

Thanks for the little help, I appreciate it

[vale wasp]

Go to sleep.

I am always happy to be a rubber duck 😃

[velvet trout]

Ah, so async generators are basically normal generators but has dunder awaitable which makes it compatible to be substituted as a Coroutine since yield giving generator methods + dunder awaitable by async keyword...This all makes it gain methods to satisfy the coroutine protocol?

[raven urchin]

Also, @swift sparrow I haven't abandoned the project!!! I'm just focusing on college because I'm in finals!

[vale wasp]

Shoomp will agree that that is much more important.

[swift sparrow]

Yeah that's definitely the priority

[raven urchin]

Of course, I just want to make sure he doesn't think I gave up

[spice hill]

async generators are not coroutines. You cannot do this: ```py
async def foo():
yield 1
yield 2

x = await foo()
``` instead, you do x = foo() and then use async for or anext to advance x

[raven urchin]

Today I did some little thingies with the free time I had, now it's time to keep going

See ya <3

[velvet trout]

Ooh

my brain not braining

[vale wasp]

👋

I really need to learn async.

[velvet trout]

same

the more i read the more i know how bad i am, how I did not know much and how bad my current assumptions/knowledge is

Programming is hard 😔

[fiery yarrow]

ehhhhh
just don't ever do that much async-related stuff
boom!
no need to learn async

i say this, having done two and doing a third project now on pybot, though 😔
but never had to care about async yet

[vale wasp]

I haven't but there are things we do with multithreading that are network bound and async would make more sense. And there are things we should really parallelize that we don't, also network bound.

[velvet trout]

Time to go py 3.3 and pre

[vale wasp]

None of my personal stuff would need async, ATM.

[velvet trout]

I guess that's because... Python's elegance which makes you less care about async yet

[fiery yarrow]

no, it's cause everybody else already did the parts of py- and lancebot that dealt with async, and i don't really have a reason to make websites or dpy bots for myself

[steady rain]

I've never written any async code that wasn't for python discord

[vale wasp]

Unfortunately none of the classes I took even mentioned async.

[fiery yarrow]

i once took a java-focused SWE class in uni that never mentioned ant, maven, or gradle

[vale wasp]

Wait what??

[velvet trout]

I don't believe in uni, especially of my country

[vale wasp]

None of my python courses were via a university - all through employers.

[steady rain]

What exactly are maven and Gradle?
I've heard of them.

[vale wasp]

Build systems.

Like make but reasonably better.

[brisk karma]

Guys I'm a total beginner. How should I start? Can you guys suggest any YouTube Courses. it'll help a lot

[raw bramble]

Your employers wanted you to know Python? What kinds of jobs were they

[vale wasp]

!slorb

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[raw bramble]

All of these resources are a great place to start and are super beginner friendly

[brisk karma]

what does that mean?

[raw bramble]

I recommend “Automate the boring stuff” it’s a free online book that guides you through making your first projects I. Python

[lyric ermine]

im a newbie in coding and i made a macro for a game. i know how to compile it into a exe but how do it make it open sourced so people can inspect the code and window with other av wont flag it as a virus?

[silver plover]

Three things: look at that list above. Ask us lots of questions. Don't give up, it's hard but not too hard

[vale wasp]

First I was doing C and needed some Python. Then I switched to a devops role and needed more Python so another one. The last 2 were for good behaviour 😃

[vale wasp]

!slorb gets that list to print

[raw bramble]

1. Don’t know how much we can help since macro could break tos
2. If you don’t want to spend money to get the exe signed then it’ll flag as unsafe
3. You shouldn’t need to compile it to make it open source

Maybe swap the position of 2 and 3

If it’s a Python script, you can just upload the Python script to someplace like GitHub

[brisk karma]

I don't see any list 😕

[opal gull]

#python-discussion message

[silver plover]

Scroll up

[raw bramble]

Oh how do exes work? Do they store multiple versions of the machine code for different systems or what?

[opal gull]

.exe files are Windows executable files specifically

[lyric ermine]

its more of im compiling it so user can use it but i want it so that people can inspect it. like how people can simply open up ahk in a note and edit the code close the code and run it.

[velvet trout]

The list:
["Automate the...", "Harvard's...", "Python...", "Corey..."]

[opal gull]

liars, you said list but the message is actually of type discord.Embed

[velvet trout]

😔

[lyric ermine]

why would it be unsafe if its open sourced tho. i get that if i hide the code av cant tell whats its doing but with it being open sourced and not hidden it could see all the actions

[opal gull]

the av doesn't care whether it's open source

[raw bramble]

all classes inherit from the one true base class, so really they are all the same

[velvet trout]

subtyping 🔥

[raw bramble]

Humans are fish

[lyric ermine]

so my best bet is just to create a repo on git hub and have the user compile it themself?

[brisk karma]

can anyone send me screenshot cause I really can't find the list

[raw bramble]

!sloth

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[velvet trout]

Wait i was typing...

[brisk karma]

oh now it came

[raw bramble]

Can you see this message @brisk karma

[brisk karma]

yes

[vale wasp]

type faster 😉

[raw bramble]

Alr, all of these are great places to start :D

[brisk karma]

thanks

[velvet trout]

😔

Real

That's why i use pyright, checks types faster

[opal gull]

should've used ty

it checks types even faster

[fiery yarrow]

sometimes
i've encountered twice now in the past day pyright refusing to narrow types correctly 😔

[vale wasp]

Might be faster but it's less mature.

[opal gull]

who cares about this "correctness" thingy when it's clearly faster

[velvet trout]

waiting for ty to become stable with as much as features of other type checkers as possible to completely to replace dmypy and pyright xD

[vale wasp]

Please don't rage bait me.

[opal gull]

astral genuinely might have a monopoly on python tooling

[fiery yarrow]

apparently for my most recent case, type fella jelle called the thing i was doing obscure

[frosty oriole]

openAI*

[velvet trout]

Rust devs are flirting with Python devs

[opal gull]

oh right 🥴

[vale wasp]

Python devs learning rust.

[velvet trout]

Real

[velvet trout]

lmao my code will die with silent bugs i did not know existed

[vale wasp]

I missed return in 2 places so my code fell through where it shouldn't've and the tests masked it for reasons having to do with how our infrastructure works.

[velvet trout]

Pyright is more picky than mypy 😔 she is hard to understand

[fiery yarrow]

inline mypy is slow

[velvet trout]

mypy -c "..."?

[fiery yarrow]

as in being a vsc extension that lints as you code

[velvet trout]

Oh

[velvet trout]

😔

[fiery yarrow]

by the way: if you ever get thirsty while coding, turn on pyright's strict mode. instant red sea

[robust ledge]

I speed that up by removing linters while I code.

[velvet trout]

I always had maximum strictness on both type checkers.

[vale wasp]

It was caught in code review so it was fixed. But would've been less than good - hitting a site too often and wasting cycles on our machines.

[velvet trout]

:) what am i? A monster?

[opal gull]

ocd

[fiery yarrow]

i would consider strict mode if type checkers didn't try and blind me with red squiggles any time i even consider importing a major third-party library

[velvet trout]

😔

[opal gull]

idk i used to turn on all lint rules

nowadays im very very laid back

last night i named a variable asfhgu

[vale wasp]

We don't use type checkers by us.

[opal gull]

have you tried installing types-library

[silver plover]

Just wait till we have ai powered linters

[opal gull]

if you're using any major ai or data science library, good luck :P

[opal gull]

dear claude, whats wrong with this code? respond in this json format kthxbye

[silver plover]

Oh, I'm in data, typing is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic

[elder flame]

   print("ok")
ok()```

[velvet trout]

Lmao

[velvet trout]

The convention is 4 spaces, not 5.

[fiery yarrow]

considering that both google and pypi are seemingly hostile to this name idk what it even is.
so no

[velvet trout]

types stubs iirc

Which has .pyi

[elder flame]

edited

[wary ferry]

hello

[velvet trout]

3 ? Brother 3?

[unborn lagoon]

The major modules that don't have type hints builtin will usually have a types-[something] library you can install which provides them.

[vale wasp]

👋

[robust ledge]

How does one run pyright in strict mode? Their --help doesn't help.

[elder flame]

?

[wary ferry]

👋

[velvet trout]

you edited it to have 3 spaces than 4

[velvet trout]

same question, i had to use .toml to setup for me

[fiery yarrow]

uh the inside-vsc version is
"python.analysis.typeCheckingMode": "strict",