python-discussion

[kind thicket]

we need more FAQs for these

[charred tusk]

That's the longest FAQ I've ever seen

This is why people don't like GPL

Every question turns into a speech

[kind thicket]

• There is no FAQ -> bro they are so terrible to not provide any guidance
• There is a thorough FAQ -> bro they are so terrible they have to write long documents

[charred tusk]

yes
exactly

[silver plover]

Oh, then definitely don't listen to RMS speak.

[charred tusk]

Whos that again?

[silver plover]

The GNU guy

And not Gary.

[stray field]

Insert Larry Davis waiting at the back of the line, but every question takes forever to answer.

[silver plover]

(of which, only 2 people here will get the joke)

[undone grove]

Gary the Snail

[stray field]

I hate that guy

Every man page I open, his name is at the bottom

[silver plover]

This is gary gnu, for the rest of you:

[rocky gust]

gnary

[brisk gazelle]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Richard_Stallman_-_Fête_de_l'Humanité_2014_-_010.jpg/500px-Richard_Stallman_-_Fête_de_l'Humanité_2014_-_010.jpg A very passing resemblance.

[silver plover]

That is not a picture I wanted to click on.

[undone grove]

make it show

[grave tree]

!compban 1426949078738276525

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @solemn mantle until <t:1775866698:f> (4 days).

[flint jewel]

hi

is this general chat?

[swift sparrow]

This is for discussing python

[flint jewel]

ok, good

[swift sparrow]

We have off-topic channels if you want a more "general" chat

[flint jewel]

oh ok

so when I am assigning a string to a variable

do I use this ' or "

like string = 'hello'

[swift sparrow]

You can use either, as long as you start/end with the same one

[flint jewel]

or string = "hello"

[brisk gazelle]

One assigns variables to objects.

[flint jewel]

I don't get it what's the difference ?

[swift sparrow]

A string is an object though

[brisk gazelle]

Yes.

[swift sparrow]

Then why confuse the poor fella?

[flint jewel]

lol

so they are the same ?

[swift sparrow]

The quotation marks? Yes, you can use either. No difference in how it runs

[brisk gazelle]

'abc' == "abc"```

This expression evaluates to True.

[flint jewel]

oh ok, so I can use either for strings.

oh cool

[pallid garden]

but if you start one with ' you cannot end it with "

you have to end it with '

[flint jewel]

thanks for the guidance

[swift sparrow]

and you have to be careful if you want your string to literally contain the other

[flint jewel]

who does that lol

[swift sparrow]

so if my string contains an apostrophe, I should start with "

"can't you see how cool this is"

[pallid garden]

well, you never know if someone is going to try that

[flint jewel]

thanks for the heads up 🙂

I'll be here for a while to show you my "art" lol

[swift sparrow]

or 'art'

[brisk gazelle]

'My code's problem. See if you can understand why there is one.'```

Also, good parsing work, Discord syntax highlighting.

[charred tusk]

Ooh its art time?
I just found some of my old art! #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

[brisk gazelle]

Anyway, as I was saying. One assigns variables to objects. One does not assign objects to variables. foo = "abc"Here, I am assigning the variable, foo, to the string object, "abc". I have not assigned "abc" to foo.

@flint jewel

[swift sparrow]

I think their phrasing could be interpreted either way

isn't english fun?

[brisk gazelle]

The meaning was understood.

[charred tusk]

hey be nice! it did its job

[brisk gazelle]

It did a job.

[flint jewel]

So, I really don't get the entire object thing. an object is a block of memory. so what does it mean not assigning to an object

I really don't get it

[swift sparrow]

they were being pedantic about your wording here

[brisk gazelle]

A variable is like a signpost with a name on it. It points to an object. Above, foo is the name I've given the signpost and that signpost points to "abc".

[flint jewel]

I know what a variable is. what I meant is like assigning what to what

the whole thing is confusing

[brisk gazelle]

Lefthand is assigned to righthand.

[flint jewel]

and bring me back memories of C++

[brisk gazelle]

Righthand is not assigned to lefthand.

[swift sparrow]

Yes in python, but they asked their question in english

[flint jewel]

ok, I am a bit confused I don't know my right ffrom left xD

I am reading a book right now. we will continue this discussion when I get the chance

[brisk gazelle]

I will conceed my timing was poor.

I do not conceed any invalidity of my point, otherwise.

Programming is specifics.

[flint jewel]

so interestingly enough using ' has it cons

[brisk gazelle]

There are ways around it.

[flint jewel]

like assigning to the variable string = ' python's a lovely language '

[swift sparrow]

yes, but the same thing can be said about trying to quote someone

[pastel sluice]

you can use double or single quotes as needed

[swift sparrow]

"the person said "hello""

[shrewd plinth]

I'm so bad at using ' vs " consistently. I come up with theoretical rules and then I just start typing.

The only thing I try to be consistent with is using " when the sentence/string has a single quote in it

[flint jewel]

oh right mb

[pastel sluice]

s = "It's a beautiful day, isn't it?"

[swift sparrow]

same, I don't even realize I do it when I read back my code

[shrewd plinth]

s = "some of my favorite punctuation marks are ' and ", they said while shouting "wheeeee where are dog's at?"'

(That is probably not a valid string)

[brisk gazelle]

'For example, an apostrophe\'s drawbacks may be worked around.'```Though it is probably better to use " for avoiding the apostrophe problem.

This gives you a string with the ' within it

and no \

[pastel sluice]

For a mix, use triple quotes
s = '''He said, "Why can't you be honest?"'''

[shrewd plinth]

That's a good suggestion!

But what if the person is ALSO talking about how they use triple quotes in python 💀

[pastel sluice]

Use one quote style and escape the others.

[shrewd plinth]

Yeah

[charred tusk]

its just not in my blood :wolfthuglife:

GOD I MISS MY NITRO

[hot glen]

accum("RqaEzty") -> "R-Qq-Aaa-Eeee-Zzzzz-Tttttt-Yyyyyyy"
accum("cwAt") -> "C-Ww-Aaa-Tttt"```

[swift sparrow]

Were you able to solve this?

[hot glen]

trying to

split it

[swift sparrow]

Do you want to open a help thread and I can give you a hand?

[hot glen]

not yet

[swift sparrow]

no need to split here

[hot glen]

it says it needs a list

oh it doesnt

[swift sparrow]

you will want a list to store all the items you create

Can you think of how you might end up with a list like this?

['A', 'Bb', 'Ccc', 'Dddd']

[brisk gazelle]

Fun fact: enumerate has a start parameter.

[sudden timber]

Does anyone know if there's a way to connect my python games, I made 3 games including the main menu. But idk how to connect the games. Anyone know how?

[rugged pawn]

I would use the itertools library.

[swift sparrow]

it entirely depends how you created them

[hot glen]

can do this using enumerate?

[swift sparrow]

Why? How? A simple loop is more than enough

[swift sparrow]

Which part specifically are you struggling on?

[flint jewel]

"PS C:\Users\seraj\downloads> python -c 'print("hello")'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'hello' is not defined. Did you mean: 'help'?
PS C:\Users\seraj\downloads> python -c "print('hello')"
hello
PS C:\Users\seraj\downloads>"

[sudden timber]

I created them on seperate python files and also seperate folders

[brisk gazelle]

It could form a component of a solution. Or not. It's up to you.

[flint jewel]

how can I format it ?

[hot glen]

ok wait ill try

[flint jewel]

!format

[edgy kraken]

String formatting mini-language

The String Formatting Language in Python is a powerful way to tailor the display of strings and other data structures. This string formatting mini language works for f-strings and .format().

Take a look at some of these examples!

>>> my_num = 2134234523
>>> print(f"{my_num:,}")
2,134,234,523

>>> my_smaller_num = -30.0532234
>>> print(f"{my_smaller_num:=09.2f}")
-00030.05

>>> my_str = "Center me!"
>>> print(f"{my_str:-^20}")
-----Center me!-----

>>> repr_str = "Spam \t Ham"
>>> print(f"{repr_str!r}")
'Spam \t Ham'

Full Specification & Resources
String Formatting Mini Language Specification
pyformat.info

[rugged pawn]

Clean code, I'm used to using it too.

[swift sparrow]

using an overkill module is not clean code

[swift sparrow]

Can I see your itertools solution?

[rugged pawn]

Anyway, I still think it's efficient.

[swift sparrow]

Let's see the code

[charred tusk]

Do you have an uncle named Bob?

[rugged pawn]

Just check the Python documentation itself.

[sudden timber]

Dyk how? I created the games on different folders, now I'm having a hard time to connect them to my main menu

[brisk gazelle]

Programming is little mechanics that make up larger mechanics that make up larger mechanics and so on. You can avoid using enumerate altogether and still achieve the same effect. It's just a nice way to condense the longer way of doing it.

[swift sparrow]

You're the one that made the claim. Please back it up. We don't like people spreading misinformation here.

[swift sparrow]

Can you explain more about these games? Are they pygame/GUI?

[rugged pawn]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[sudden timber]

Yes they are pygame, all of them

[swift sparrow]

I don't know much about pygame, but you'll likely need to retool them a bit so they can share the same overall process. Otherwise each game is going to spawn its own event process which won't really work

[brisk gazelle]

a, b, c = (1, 2, 3)```Here, a == 1, b == 2, c == 3.

my_list = [(1, 2), (3, 4), (5, 6)]
for ab in my_list:
    ...```Here, ab == (1, 2), then (3, 4) and so on.

[hot glen]

im very close can u explain how to use join to me

[rugged pawn]

I once made a classic checkers game in Pygame when I was learning.

[swift sparrow]

join lets you connect up an iterable into a single string using a provided string

[brisk gazelle]

my_list = [(1, 2), (3, 4), (5, 6)]
for a, b in my_list:
    ...```Here, a == 1 and b == 2, then a == 3 and b == 4 and so on...

[hot glen]

ok wait

[swift sparrow]

!e

text = ['a', 'b', 'c']

print('.'.join(text))
print('---'.join(text))
print(' and '.join(text))

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a.b.c
002 | a---b---c
003 | a and b and c

[swift sparrow]

here's some examples of it in action. Is this clear how it works?

[hot glen]

yay

got it but had to get hint from gemini once

[swift sparrow]

let's see the result

[hot glen]

def accum(s):
    res = []
    for i in range(len(s)):
        res.append((s[i] * (i + 1)).capitalize())
    return "-".join(res)```

[swift sparrow]

Do you understand everything happening here?

[hot glen]

im 120 honor in code wars

[swift sparrow]

I think I stopped somewhere around 400

[hot glen]

nearly everything other than the 4th line (s[i])

[hot glen]

how long did that take u

[swift sparrow]

What about it are you unsure of?

[swift sparrow]

🤷 I haven't really used codewars properly in awhile, but I've been using python for 8+ years

[crisp jay]

me when for i in range(len(<list>)):

[hot glen]

its a parameter, and its using the i as an index?

[swift sparrow]

!e

text = 'abcd'

for i in range(len(text)):
    print(text[i])

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a
002 | b
003 | c
004 | d

[swift sparrow]

Does this make sense?

[hot glen]

oh

it is the index

[crisp jay]

yes,its using i as the index of s

[hot glen]

got it

[swift sparrow]

in general though, most people won't use range this way. Enumerate is much cleaner

[stuck flame]

hey

[swift sparrow]

!e

text = 'abcd'

for i, letter in enumerate(text, 1):
    print(letter * i)

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | a
002 | bb
003 | ccc
004 | dddd

[hot glen]

can u please teach me list comprehension and enumerate tomorrow

its 2 am for me

ill go sleep

[crisp jay]

enumerate is very simple

[swift sparrow]

I should be around

[stuck flame]

@iron bear i can do it

[swift sparrow]

This is pretty much all you need to know about enumerate

[stuck flame]

What kind of function do you want to create?
If you are interested, please send me a DM.

[charred tusk]

🤨

sus

[brisk gazelle]

*Shave and a haircut* Do you wanna build a chatbot? 🎵

[charred tusk]

*Frozen* It doesn't have to be a chatbot 🎵

[crisp jay]

im starting to like html

[charred tusk]

you need Jesus

[carmine depot]

This must be a brand new sentence

[pallid garden]

was that line always in the song?

[charred tusk]

He was so off key I had to step in

[brazen patrol]

Just like that…

Is anyone here building TUIs in Python?

[slow gust]

Hi

[dry basin]

Hello

[brisk gazelle]

salt.die has batgrl.

[slow gust]

Guys could a game made with Python be exported into the App store?

[charred tusk]

I have [redacted] at $WORK and [redacted] at $SIDEHUSTLE

[charred tusk]

There are 100 different app stores

[surreal knot]

it probably depends on the app store

[slow gust]

Like the google play store or app store of iphones

[brazen patrol]

Wat

[slow gust]

Like those i listed down there 😅

[brisk gazelle]

https://github.com/salt-die/batgrl

[brazen patrol]

Hi

[charred tusk]

Not really
You have to write in the platform's native language
But there are some tools like https://briefcase.beeware.org/en/stable/

[brazen patrol]

Is it good?

[charred tusk]

YES

[brisk gazelle]

There's your endorsement.

[brazen patrol]

I wanted smthg minimal

[slow gust]

Hard for me to understand 😅 .Like I mean if I try and coded some Game or App on python what should I do with it.Cant I (Publish) it on an app store for People to use it?

[brisk gazelle]

Python comes with curses in its standard library.

[crisp jay]

isnt python native?

[surreal knot]

the problem is that in order to execute Python code, your user needs a Python interpreter

[slow gust]

Oh what is that 😭

[crisp jay]

wdym whats that

[slow gust]

Im just new to it sorry.

[brazen patrol]

Does it get the job done?

[surreal knot]

yes

[shrewd plinth]

It only curses when it doesn't get the job done, just like me

[slow gust]

Like I wanna get started on learning python.Yet i dont even know where it is coded ans what to do with it after the game or app I created is done?

[crisp jay]

python is a programming language (interpreted),in order to execute it you need another software that is called an interpreter (the default one is cpython).

[shrewd plinth]

We use editors or IDEs for coding. There are a lot of really good ones out there, people with have different opinions on them though.

Sometimes very strong opinions

[vale wasp]

!slorb

[edgy kraken]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[slow gust]

Im sorry I cant understand anything your saying (sadly) 😔. What is an Software?

[young path]

also have a look at https://github.com/textualize/textual

[surreal knot]

if you want to make a mobile applications, there are languages that are might be better suited for that purpose like Swift (iOS) or Kotlin (Android) for example @slow gust

[brazen patrol]

Wat are you currently working on?

[slow gust]

I am completely new to it and wanting to start some online lessons on python.

[brisk gazelle]

Software: Programs. Applications. Apps. Also operating systems that run them, Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android.

[slow gust]

I know but I think python wouldn't be bad

[slow gust]

Ohh so a software is like a computer?

[brazen patrol]

Did you start?

[swift sparrow]

software just means "a program run on a computer"

[surreal knot]

computers run software

[slow gust]

Not yet

[crisp jay]

computer is the hardware

[brisk gazelle]

Almost. It's the data on the computer that makes things happen.

[slow gust]

Ohhhh okay Thank you!!

[slow gust]

Oh tysm

[slow gust]

So its just like the app itself?

[brisk gazelle]

Yes. Or the software that runs that app.

The computer being the machine itself.

The machine runs the software.

[slow gust]

Ohh I understand.Man is python and all that coding and programming hard? Or is it worth of start(

[brisk gazelle]

Some software runs other software.

[swift sparrow]

programming is hard, yes, but python is one of the easier languages to learn

[slow gust]

Wow 😅

[charred tusk]

iOS apps have to be in Swift and compiled to an IPA -- "iOS App Store Package"
Android apps have to be in Java and compiled to an APK -- "Android app package"

In the definition of "native" that you're thinking of, no Python is not native because it uses an interpreter instead of compiling to machine code.
But "native" here means "the platform's first party systems" and all the app stores have their own systems with their own expectations for what languages you're going to give them.

[slow gust]

Is it valuable of learning?

[brisk gazelle]

If you're curious about it, it is for you.

[swift sparrow]

it entirely depends on what you're learning it for

if your entire goal is "I want to make money with it", then no

[slow gust]

What would u recommend to learn it for?

[crisp jay]

huh

[swift sparrow]

Only you can answer that. Why do you want to learn it?

[slow gust]

Oh okay man .I appreciate it thank you so much! 😊

[flint jewel]

anyone cares to explain type errors in python

[brazen patrol]

The syntax is much easier that most other languages

[young path]

you can have iOS and Android apps written in javascript using stuff like react native, and that's just one example

[swift sparrow]

do you understand things like str, int, bool etc?

[slow gust]

To be honest I dont even know exactly what it can be used for.Only that u can create games and apps right?

[flint jewel]

yeah

[surreal knot]

a type error usually indicates that you passed an argument with an incorrect type to a function

[charred tusk]

Don't do something you don't like just because you think it wil earn you lots of money
You'll hate it and just be angry

[vale wasp]

You can have iOS and Android apps written in Python thanks to Beeware.

[slow gust]

Okay ill look up on it Thank you bro I appreciate you!! 🤩

[flint jewel]

it's not that it's ambigous ?

like print(23)

[crisp jay]

do people even like working on finances?

[young path]

i know

[swift sparrow]

a TypeError means you used a type in an incompatible way.

[surreal knot]

that isn't ambiguous in Python

[swift sparrow]

What's 5 plus elephant?

[brisk gazelle]

For me, it is about imagining a process, then having a language in which to express that process, to construct it. Then, when I tell it to run, it does what I want (or not!) and the success of that is gratifying.

[flint jewel]

ahhhh idk

[swift sparrow]

neither does python

[vale wasp]

print(23) will print 23 not a TypeError

[brazen patrol]

Check out the book called “Automate the boring stuff with Python “ good beginner’s guide

[flint jewel]

oh ok

[swift sparrow]

!e

print(5 + 'elephant')

[edgy kraken]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     print(5 + 'elephant')
004 |           ~~^~~~~~~~~~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'int' and 'str'

[charred tusk]

Yeah I mentioned Beeware earlier
There are various... transpilers?, but at the end of the day they all transpile to native code

[slow gust]

I just understood now that my English is so bad 😭 .Yet I understanded a bit and fully appreciate your time and explanations.Thank you buddy may you have a nice Day or Night like for me 🔥

[brisk gazelle]

Mm.

[vale wasp]

print will call the object's __str__ function. (Essentially, str(object)).

[slow gust]

Oh a Book 😅 .Okay tysm bro I appreciate you!! Have a good night.Ill really search up on it tmw.Thank you

[vale wasp]

Beeware doesn't transpile. It packages with an interpreter.

[flint jewel]

yeah I figured. I am just a bit confused on what can and what can't be done

[charred tusk]

Oh thats disgusting

[vale wasp]

Why? CPython runs natively on Android and iOS now.

[vale wasp]

So 5 + 'string' doesn't work because strings and integers don't know how to add one to the other.

[charred tusk]

That's not the same but how does that actually work BTW

[vale wasp]

What do you mean?

[charred tusk]

Can I install Python on my phone now?

[vale wasp]

Kinda sorta?

[blazing badge]

Hello

[brazen patrol]

Android, check out pydroid on play store

[charred tusk]

That's not what I asked

[vale wasp]

Is that a CPython distribution?

[charred tusk]

no, its an emulator thats been around for years

[flint jewel]

can't it just say 5 as a string ? why do I need to explicitly write string

[swift sparrow]

python will never make assumptions for you

datatypes exist for a reason

[vale wasp]

If I try to add a number to a string it will fail because the types are incompatible, hence TypeError.

[brazen patrol]

Python interpreter on ur phone

[crisp jay]

python isnt like javascript

[flint jewel]

yeah I totally get it

[crisp jay]

Welcome to Node.js v25.8.2.
Type ".help" for more information.
> 5 + 'string'
'5string'

[flint jewel]

yeah maybe.

[flint jewel]

that would be awsome

[swift sparrow]

I would much rather python error and tell me something is wrong rather than make assumptions and give me unexpected results

[surreal knot]

that would be terrible in python 🥀

[vale wasp]

But not the CPython distribution. I know that part of the CPython project has been adding Andoird and iOS support and it's gotten much better.

[cerulean ravine]

what should "10" + "2" be? "12" or "102"?

[brazen patrol]

Exactly 😀

[charred tusk]

Oh shit, I thought it was just now coming out in 3.15
I didn't release PEPs 730 and 738 were all the way back in 3.13

[vale wasp]

"102" they're strings.

[chilly whale]

or 12!

[flint jewel]

102 ofc

[cerulean ravine]

what should 10 + "2" be?

[vale wasp]

TypeError

[flint jewel]

type error

[brazen patrol]

Is Python 2 still being supported ?

[flint jewel]

lol

[vale wasp]

Which PEPs are those?

[surreal knot]

not for a few years now

[vale wasp]

NO!

[flint jewel]

he explained it well

[charred tusk]

RUN AWAY NOW

[swift sparrow]

I think ned is trying to show that it's quite ambiguous what the result should be, that's why it errors

[charred tusk]

!pep 730

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 730 - Adding iOS as a supported platform**

Status

Final

Python Version

3.13

Created

09-Oct-2023

Type

Standards Track

[charred tusk]

!pep 738

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 738 - Adding Android as a supported platform**

Status

Final

Python Version

3.13

Created

12-Dec-2023

Type

Standards Track

[vale wasp]

You could've just said "The PEPs to add Android and iOS support 😃"

[charred tusk]

That would be boring

[vale wasp]

I miss reactions. I go away for one week on vacation...

[surreal knot]

-# 😔

[brazen patrol]

Was thinking of doing some stuff with it

[wraith shore]

can somone help me?

[charred tusk]

As soon as you ask your question

[vale wasp]

Probably. Ask and find out.

[charred tusk]

Huh
AI says that I should just keep using BeeWare tools anyway and that they will interact with the native tooling on my behalf

[wraith shore]

i downloaded of a fake friend a exe in py and it was a passwort stealer and python stealer but i only download and dont run it ai says wehn i dont run it its all god ?

[vale wasp]

Yup. Beeware adds a layer that gives you access to OS specific APIs that CPython doesn't.

[wraith shore]

is this real?

or im cooked?

[vale wasp]

I don't know.

[wraith shore]

oh okay 🙁

[rocky gust]

if you didn't run it it can't do anything

[wraith shore]

OMGG YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[rocky gust]

(unless it ran on download)

[swift sparrow]

Also never download and run random exe that people send you

[wraith shore]

no

[rocky gust]

yeah that's kinda unlikely

[wraith shore]

yeah im new and dumb hahaha

[wraith shore]

real

[rocky gust]

try putting it into a virus tracker like https://tria.ge

[charred tusk]

But this is very rare and someone ripping off Discord malware from a YouTube video isn't going to be smart enough to implement any 0 click vulnerabilities

[wraith shore]

I did, but don't run it.

It's a password stealer

and a Python /Discord stealer

[charred tusk]

Or DM it to me so I can make Fish put it in Triage for me

[wraith shore]

I have another question, but it has nothing to do with Python.

[charred tusk]

sus

[wraith shore]

wdym

[swift sparrow]

We have offtopic channels if you have a non-python related question

[charred tusk]

Nevermind

Ask off topic question in OT #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[wraith shore]

somone did all my info of my ip in a group chat all in a text waht can i do xD

[tired dirge]

Guys wanna see my new site i just did it go visit it its about explination of python terms hard stuff and easy

[rocky gust]

IP's are kinda useless

ur public IP only hides an approximation of your location

[wraith shore]

IK but its a little kid i dont like these how think they hackers

[tired dirge]

https://mrninja632-creator.github.io/nizar-python-learning/

Its a useful site to learn from i just crated it

[rocky gust]

if you didn't run it, there's no way they can get ur IP unless you clicked on a website that was an IP grabber

[charred tusk]

Here, give them mine 52.101.11.15
See what they can get out of it

[tired dirge]

But they ask u if ur okay to let the app track u

[wraith shore]

Is this really yours?

[tired dirge]

It might be dangerous for j

[charred tusk]

Sure
Didn't I say it was?

[dry pike]

chat ded

[wraith shore]

some god hacker can do your wifi down for a day with our ip 🙂

[harsh anchor]

they really cannot

[silver plover]

But, now is a good time to change your passwords and enable two factor n your email

[crisp jay]

heres my ip 127.0.0.1

[tired dirge]

Where di u find it

[silver plover]

There's no place like localhost

[rocky gust]

they can DDOS you at the very most (easy to prevent)

[wraith shore]

I changed my password 2 hours before because someone tried to log in my email and now I can't change

[rocky gust]

yooo mine is 255.255.255.255

[wraith shore]

Are you a god in coding?

[silver plover]

And turn on two factor

[rocky gust]

not even close nobody is

[wraith shore]

mine is 8.8.8.8 dox me

[wraith shore]

How?

im new at the pc sorry for all my questions

[charred tusk]

I'm the only one allowed to be that

[silver plover]

It's not a Python thing, it's a feature of your email service

[vale wasp]

You trying to take my job?

[wraith shore]

Oh, okay.

[wraith shore]

ik

[charred tusk]

Didn't you get promoted?

[bright shoal]

🤨

[vale wasp]

Super God!

[wraith shore]

What?

[wraith shore]

are u on pc broski

[charred tusk]

Sure, why not?

[wraith shore]

idk i just was asking

[charred tusk]

uh oh

[bright shoal]

are you able to upload the file to a file sharing host or something? I'm curious, I want to look into it

[vale wasp]

What did you do this time?

[charred tusk]

I woke the Fish

[wraith shore]

do you want the message i can forward it to you

[vale wasp]

What'd you use as bait?

[bright shoal]

malware usually works

[charred tusk]

Malware

[bright shoal]

Do you have the link from where you downloaded it from or something?

[vale wasp]

Someone did mention Windows.

[brazen patrol]

Why is it prefixed with C instead of plain python

[wraith shore]

In Discord I can send you the message (forward it)

[charred tusk]

Windows makes Fish run

[charred tusk]

CPython is the name on Python's birth certificate

[wraith shore]

Are you Linux?

[vale wasp]

CPython is an implementation of the Python programming language

[bright shoal]

Let's take this to DMs

[brisk gazelle]

Python is the language. CPython is one implementation of an interpreter that runs Python scripts. It is also the primary one.

[grave tree]

when you download python from python.org, that's CPython

[charred tusk]

I use Arch BTW

[spare condor]

so I just spent the last hour doing this because I didn't want to deal with regex, then the more I got into the project, the more dealing with regex will save me developing time. so it was an educational hour lol

for e in first_split:
    if ']' in e:
        if e[-1] != ']':
            chunk = []
            if e[-2] != ']':
                for i in reversed(e):
                    if i != ']':
                        chunk.append(i)
                    elif i == ']':
                        rev_chunk_str = ''.join([kana for kana in reversed(chunk)])
                        second_split.append(e.replace(rev_chunk_str, ''))
                        second_split.append(rev_chunk_str)
            else:
                second_split.append(e[0:-1])
                second_split.append(e[-1])
        else:
            second_split.append(e)
    else:
        second_split.append(e)

[vale wasp]

Regular expressions are your friend.

[spare condor]

I know

[grave tree]

regex101 my beloved

[crisp jay]

this feels cursed as shit

[spare condor]

I just so didn't want to deal with them today 😂

[vale wasp]

https://pythex.org is my go to.

[brazen patrol]

Why is it prefixed with C instead of plain python

[spare condor]

so I thought I could finesse my way out of it lol

[rocky gust]

why not

[crisp jay]

going to refactor it without regex

[wraith shore]

XDD

but cool

[grave tree]

because the interpreter itself, the thing you're downloading and using to run python scripts, is made partially in C

[vale wasp]

Because the interpreter is written in C. As opposed to PyPy where it's written in Python.

[charred tusk]

It seems broken
Its very bright

[vale wasp]

The interpreter is primarily C. The standard library is a combination of C and Python.

[spare condor]

it's absolutely cursed lol

[bright shoal]

🗿

[vale wasp]

Light mode FTW.

[charred tusk]

Is it open source?

[rocky gust]

gruvbox light mode ftwftw

[wraith shore]

do some has cool py tools cmd (can send the code) i want to feel like a real skid

[rocky gust]

only acceptable light mode

[rocky gust]

woah woah

[wraith shore]

AHHAHAHA

[bright shoal]

😭 im crine

[rocky gust]

!rule 5

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[wraith shore]

Oh, sorry.

[brazen patrol]

cmatrix

[crisp jay]

for e in first_split:
    if ']' not in e:
        second_split.append(e)
        continue 
    if e[-1] == ']':
        second_split.append(e)
        continue
    if e[-2] == ']':
        second_split.append(e[0:-1])
        second_split.append(e[-1])
        continue

    chunk = []
    for i in reversed(e):
        if i != ']':
            chunk.append(i)
        else:
            rev_chunk_str = ''.join([kana for kana in reversed(chunk)])
            second_split.append(e.replace(rev_chunk_str, ''))
            second_split.append(rev_chunk_str)

always reverse the condition

[wraith shore]

How old are you, bro?

[bright shoal]

At least 65

[charred tusk]

damn kids these days

[crisp jay]

between 66-68?

[vale wasp]

Get off my lawn!

[charred tusk]

MAKE ME

[vale wasp]

Don't make me come over there!!!

[charred tusk]

😱

[rocky gust]

bro's been here since C first became a language not a letter

[bleak nacelle]

hi guys! I'd like to ask, i didn't really get the purpose of Class, can anyone explain what is the purpose of it? it doesn't seem different from def

[swift sparrow]

I can give show you some examples if you like if you want to open a help thread

[crisp jay]

to be short the purpose of classis to create an object

[bleak nacelle]

oh sure! I'll ping you there in a second

[brazen patrol]

Linux beta user

[swift sparrow]

it's to create the blueprint of an object

[vale wasp]

It's to create a type.

[wraith shore]

how do you do this animation by type

[vale wasp]

That's using markdown. In this case I put the word type inside backticks `

[charred tusk]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline

[rocky gust]

-# ## yo

[crisp jay]

strange,in repl you cant do help(class) but in the help utility you can

[bright shoal]

🤫

[vale wasp]

-# yo

[charred tusk]

yo?

[rocky gust]

yo!?!

my first editor 😔

[vale wasp]

The bot gives "invalid syntax"...

[brazen patrol]

Till now?

[pallid garden]

YOU MADE ATOM???

[rocky gust]

😭

[vale wasp]

Is it an Electron app?

[crisp jay]

mine was notepad,then vs

[pallid garden]

https://github.com/atom/atom

electron javascript atom editor windows macos linux
it is

[charred tusk]

I still have the fact that their docs were named "flight manual" ingrained as a core memory and I really want to make something named like that

[vale wasp]

Mine was Turbo Pascal.

[charred tusk]

My autism is addicted to planes

[pallid garden]

loves kubernetes

[charred tusk]

Though I don't have the kind of autism where I actually learn things
I just like them

[vale wasp]

You poor thing.

[pallid garden]

🥀

[charred tusk]

Hey it was fine until Ingress died

[dry pike]

Goobersnotties

[charred tusk]

wat

[dry pike]

kubernetes

[pallid garden]

kubectl is just a silly goober fr fr

[crisp jay]

is kubernetes nixos in disguise?

[charred tusk]

kinda

[pallid garden]

it's more like

the nix package manager

if you want to use that metaphor

[dry pike]

Is nixos "nicksows" or "nix-o-s"?

[pallid garden]

but even then it's a stretch

[charred tusk]

yes

[crisp jay]

second one

[rocky gust]

WAIT THAT SOUNDS BAD

[dry pike]

Yo mods

[pallid garden]

what happened to 🐺🌈

[charred tusk]

He got a colored role

[vale wasp]

Are you complaining?

[rocky gust]

i swear im sorry it was a mistake

[pallid garden]

duh, 🐺🌈 is cuter

[charred tusk]

You know what?

Just because you decided to be mean

[dry pike]

when are the roles going away

If they were an April fools prank

[charred tusk]

Kat said "in a few days"

[vale wasp]

I am happy if you're happy. Not being mean. Was asking a question.

[crisp jay]

😭

[pallid garden]

-# i just realized that looks like im celebrating the end of april fools, no i was celebrating the return of 🐺🌈

[vale wasp]

What roles??? I go away for a vacation and miss everything!

[charred tusk]

How DARE you take a vacation???

[charred tusk]

#announcements message

[vale wasp]

Went to NYC for a few days with the wife and girls. Saw some theater. Got some culture.

[charred tusk]

NYC?

You didn't want to go somewhere where you could breathe?

[vale wasp]

I'm a native New Yorker. It's where I breathe best.

[vale wasp]

Apparently I'm not active enough in the OT channels...

[pallid garden]

shall we head over to OT?

[charred tusk]

It’ll be like a whole new vacation for Dan!

[pallid garden]

xD

[rocky gust]

what if python was named boa constrictor

actually boa is a cool name

[pallid garden]

2027 april fools idea

[vale wasp]

And this is what I get on the last day of vacation (took off all of the kids' spring break but then they ended up having school today because too much snow...)

[vale wasp]

Anaconda.

[rocky gust]

for that they should make everybody only allowed to speak in emojis for like a day or so in off topic channels

[brazen patrol]

Wat would the extension be

[rocky gust]

idek

boa would be a cool name for a python affiliated project

[pallid garden]

all sentences containing other languages are auto-removed in the OT channels: so you cant say any words containing c

[rocky gust]

😭

[brazen patrol]

main.boa

[vale wasp]

I an say any thing I want. No matter what it ontains.

[pallid garden]

xD

[rocky gust]

eally 😔

te hni ally i ant say anything with the se ond letter of the alpha et as well ecause its also a language

[pallid garden]

ecause *banned*

[flint jewel]

does anyone care to explain the for loops in python ?

like the syntax

I am reading from a book and it says wiered things

[pallid garden]

do you want to open a help thread?

[flint jewel]

no

[pallid garden]

my_list = [1, 2, 3]    # this creates a list of numbers 1, 2 and 3
for number in my_list: # our for loop loops through my_list
    # note that this is one indentation in
    print(number)
    # on the first iteration, number will be 1, so print(number) will give 1
    # on the second iteration, number will be 2,
    # on the third iteration, number will be 3
    # there is no fourth element, so the loop ends

[flint jewel]

What are you writing x_x

[raven urchin]

Zehata I have kind of a problem

[flint jewel]

like I have to write number?

[vale wasp]

That's the convention for how to write variable names that have multiple words.

[raven urchin]

All the code works but I hate having giant if statements

[pallid garden]

it doesnt have to be

[flint jewel]

no, like for number in my_list number here is what exactly

[pallid garden]

can you open a help thread?

[raven urchin]

Yeah I'll explain further

[pallid garden]

our list has 3 elements yes?

1, 2 and 3

[flint jewel]

yeah

we call them indices

[pallid garden]

the for loop will run through the code inside the loop 3 times

[flint jewel]

I am bit confised and it's my first day

[pallid garden]

the first time round, number will be 1

the second time round, number will be 2

[flint jewel]

yeah I know, that's not my question

so number is the name of the variable ?

[pallid garden]

you mean the name?

[flint jewel]

like for number in my_list

[pallid garden]

the name is something appropriate you choose to describe it

[flint jewel]

oh so it's up to me

[pallid garden]

yea

[flint jewel]

like, for x in my_list

that would work

[pallid garden]

you would want to use something that you can easily understand just by looking at the name

[flint jewel]

so it's arbitrary

ok thanks it's used only by the for right ?

[vale wasp]

It's arbitrary but should be descriptive.

[flint jewel]

for loop*

[flint jewel]

I am having hard time explaining myself

[pallid garden]

yea this variable only exists inside the loop

[grave tree]

the variable will persist after the loop

[flint jewel]

what I meant it's arbitrary and only used by for loop

[vale wasp]

for value in my_list value is for the loop, my_list is external.

[flint jewel]

it's scope only inside the for loop

[pallid garden]

sorry let me check

[grave tree]

!e

for my_var in ["a", 2, 3, "banana"]:
    continue
print(my_var)

[flint jewel]

oh thanks

[vale wasp]

The variable continues to exist after the loop and sometimes the goal of the loop is to iterate to a certain value.

[flint jewel]

that's what I am asking

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

banana

[grave tree]

you can see here, I can still print and do things with my_var after and outside the loop

[flint jewel]

is this a special case that I should just skip for now?

[pallid garden]

i did not know that

[charred tusk]

It can be awkward when you rely on it by accident and then break it

[vale wasp]

It's not something used very often but it can be.

[grave tree]

It's handy for early breaks

[pallid garden]

sometimes i wonder how is it that i can code for this long without knowing that this exists

[rocky gust]

dang it

[vale wasp]

It's not something you often need.

[pallid garden]

it might be because my main language does not have this feature

  for (let i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
  }
  console.log(i) // Cannot find name 'i'.ts(2304)

[charred tusk]

FYM, English breaks all the time

[pallid garden]

also, i dont use for loops very much anymore

[vale wasp]

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've needed this. Much more often is that I forget that the loop doesn't have its own scope and I overwrite a variable that I need.

[grave tree]

I used it for part of the levels implementation, it's useful to know

[pallid garden]

important to know, in fact

i can imagine me debugging an issue and tracing it to this and getting very confused

[flint jewel]

Python is wiered lol

[vale wasp]

Scoping is hard.

[pallid garden]

and being all like "WAIT WHAT THIS EXISTS?"

[velvet trout]

why

You usually don't care about that leak. Python code is very readable

[deep zenith]

guys can anyone tell what is the issue in this code

class Animal:
    name = ''
    type = ''

    def __init__(self,name,type):
        self.name = name
        self.type = type

    def say(text):
        print(text)

Dog = Animal("Pip" , 'puppy')
Dog.say("WOOF WOOF!!")

its giving me error
Dog.say("WOOF WOOF!!")
~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: Animal.say() takes 1 positional argument but 2 were given

[velvet trout]

self is missing as first argument of say

[crisp jay]

do you know what self does?

[flint jewel]

I don't know I was printing this list in a for loop and printed each entry in a newline without me explicitly puting a newline there

[vale wasp]

You are missing the self in the definition of say

[deep zenith]

do i need to add self in every function

[crisp jay]

yes

[vale wasp]

print adds a newline unless you explicitly tell it not to.

[grave tree]

print will do that, you can override it with a specifi argument to the function though

[charred tusk]

Well done

[crisp jay]

!d print

[edgy kraken]

print

print(*objects, sep=' ', end='\n', file=None, flush=False)```
Print *objects* to the text stream *file*, separated by *sep* and followed by *end*. *sep*, *end*, *file*, and *flush*, if present, must be given as keyword arguments.

All non-keyword arguments are converted to strings like [`str()`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#str) does and written to the stream, separated by *sep* and followed by *end*. Both *sep* and *end* must be strings; they can also be `None`, which means to use the default values. If no *objects* are given, `print()` will just write *end*.

The *file* argument must be an object with a `write(string)` method; if it is not present or `None`, [`sys.stdout`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/sys.html#sys.stdout) will be used. Since printed arguments are converted to text strings, `print()` cannot be used with binary mode file objects. For these, use `file.write(...)` instead.

[deep zenith]

solved it

[velvet trout]

Yes, when you create a class instance. Methods (unless excepted by @static/classmethod decorators) needs to take self as first argument.

[deep zenith]

alr

[velvet trout]

Code?

[deep zenith]

how can i practice oops

[bright shoal]

Well that malware was underwhelming 😔

[deep zenith]

what is the project i should make

[crisp jay]

java

[flint jewel]

I just described it

[deep zenith]

in python

[flint jewel]

it's loop number in my_list: print(number)

[velvet trout]

Why are you having name and type as empty strings as class variables?

[deep zenith]

what should i do then

[velvet trout]

I am asking your reasoning for adding it

[crisp jay]

inheritance

[velvet trout]

Huh

[crisp jay]

is encapsulation a unique thing in oop?

[charred tusk]

Do you not hide your sensitive objects?

[deep zenith]

class Animal:
    name = ''
    type = ''

    def __init__(self,name,type):
        self.name = name
        self.type = type

    def say(self,text):
        print(text)
    
    def info(self):
        print("name:" ,self.name)
        print("type:" ,self.type)

pokemon = Animal("Pip" , 'fire')
pokemon.say("WOOF WOOF!!")
pokemon.info()

[grave tree]

why do you have name = '' and type = '' at the top of the class though? That's the question we have

[deep zenith]

so that i can assign name

by default they will be empty

[grave tree]

Your code will work without it at the top

[deep zenith]

i know

[charred tusk]

Then remove it

[crisp jay]

[grave tree]

Right now, with it at the top, it doesn't do anything

[deep zenith]

i will not

remove it

[grave tree]

What's your question? In words

[charred tusk]

Is there a reason for this?

[deep zenith]

may be

[charred tusk]

Aight I’m out

[grave tree]

your __init__ requires both name and type to exist/be passed in. There's no "they'll be empty by default" here because your initializer requires it

[vale wasp]

If you don't tell us the reason we can't help.

[charred tusk]

Good luck Kat

[deep zenith]

i got it solved

already

[vale wasp]

OK

[grave tree]

Why don't you want to answer our question though?

[limpid meadow]

Maybe but you're using class variables for nothing

[deep zenith]

whihc one

[grave tree]

Why you're including them at the top of your class. They're not doing anything for you

[crisp jay]

couldnt the person use the def __init__(self,name='',type=''):?

[grave tree]

Yes, but that's not their code. I'm talking about their code

[crisp jay]

i forgot the name

[deep zenith]

i removed it

[charred tusk]

That’s what they should be doing
The code they have has different behavior and isn’t correct

(Unless they want the weird behavior for some reason)

[crisp jay]

how tho

[grave tree]

do you understand that that's not their code?

[charred tusk]

(Whose code is it? I missed that part)

[grave tree]

Having class variables with defaults is different than having an initializer with defaults

[grave tree]

What mudadeoliveira posted is not what the code actually is

[bleak nacelle]

is this the correct way to do a class?

class Character:
    
    def __init__(self, name, hp, attack_power):
        self.name = name
        self.hp = hp
        self.attack_power = attack_power
    
    def attack(self, target):
        target.hp -= self.attack_power
        print(f"{self.name} attacked {target.name} for {self.attack_power} damage!")
        print(f"{target.name} now have {target.hp} HP left\n")
    
    def is_alive(self):
        return self.hp > 0

[charred tusk]

https://github.com/letsbuilda/letsbuilda-pypi/blob/main/src/letsbuilda/pypi/async_client.py#L13-L17

https://github.com/letsbuilda/letsbuilda-pypi/blob/main/README.md#L27-L29

[edgy kraken]

src/letsbuilda/pypi/async_client.py lines 13 to 17

class PyPIServices:
    """A class for interacting with PyPI."""

    NEWEST_PACKAGES_FEED_URL: Final[str] = "https://pypi.org/rss/packages.xml"
    PACKAGE_UPDATES_FEED_URL: Final[str] = "https://pypi.org/rss/updates.xml"```
`README.md` lines 27 to 29
```md
pypi_client = PyPIServices(http_session)

print(await pypi_client.get_rss_feed(pypi_client.NEWEST_PACKAGES_FEED_URL))```

[charred tusk]

Class variables attach to the class itself and are shared across all instances of the class

[grave tree]

Looks good

[deep zenith]

i solved it

[shrewd plinth]

Is there an elegant way to like..... get two items from a for loop? Like a container that I need to process two items at a time for.

[crisp jay]

zip()?

[shrewd plinth]

I was thinking zip, just wondering if there was something better

[grave tree]

how do you need them tied together

Like [1, 2, 3, 4] will give you 1, 2 and 3, 4 or something else?

[shrewd plinth]

Not sure. I have a container of pairs.... yeah, 1,2 then 3,4

[grave tree]

Or do you need 1, 2 then 2, 3 then 3, 4?

[shrewd plinth]

nah, 1,2 then 3,4 is fine

[charred tusk]

• convert the list to pairs of tuples
• zip(list, list[1:])
• for index in range, and pull index and index+1
• itertools.batched

[shrewd plinth]

I mean I could enumerate and skip every other step but

[grave tree]

you could do some iter bullshit probably

[shrewd plinth]

seems cursed

[grave tree]

the zip you have there won't get you what you want

let's see if I can pull something together without itertools...

[charred tusk]

Isn’t it a single function call though?

[grave tree]

hm?

[charred tusk]

!docs itertools.batched

[edgy kraken]

itertools.batched

itertools.batched(iterable, n, *, strict=False)```
Batch data from the *iterable* into tuples of length *n*. The last batch may be shorter than *n*.

If *strict* is true, will raise a [`ValueError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#ValueError) if the final batch is shorter than *n*.

Loops over the input iterable and accumulates data into tuples up to size *n*. The input is consumed lazily, just enough to fill a batch. The result is yielded as soon as the batch is full or when the input iterable is exhausted...

[grave tree]

What does it having to be a single function call have to do with anything?

[elder plaza]

`from itertools import batched

items = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

for pair in batched(items, 2):
print(pair)`

[charred tusk]

I thought your complaint was that the solution would be complicated

[shrewd plinth]

Why didn't I see batched in itertools docs. Am I looking at the wrong docs or outdated docs?

[grave tree]

? What complaint?

[shrewd plinth]

I was looking at the 2.0 docs >.>

Good job, self

[charred tusk]

How…

[shrewd plinth]

batched is perfect, ty

I don't know! I just clicked the first documentation looking source on google

or duckduck go

[charred tusk]

They’re BLUE!

[charred tusk]

It is 3.12+
In case you’re stuck on an old version for any reason

[charred tusk]

I was trying to understand why you were avoiding itertools

[grave tree]

For fun, you can just ask in the future instead of assuming

[charred tusk]

That’s less fun

But more seriously I did ask

[shrewd plinth]

SIGH. The notebook environment for this course is disallowing an itertools import

gg

[grave tree]

where did you ask me why I wanted to avoid itertools?

[grave tree]

lol, do you wanna a solution with some iter bullshit?

!e

my_list = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
my_iter = iter(my_list)
for a in my_iter:
    print(a, next(my_iter))

look ma, no imports!
-# At what cost though

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 1 2
002 | 3 4
003 | 5 6

[shrewd plinth]

wow, nice

[charred tusk]

https://github.com/darbiadev/darbiadev-utilities/blob/main/src/darbia/utils/iterables.py#L32-L50

huh
Mine is the same

[grave tree]

It took some fiddling to remember what I needed to actually iter and loop over

[shrewd plinth]

That looks slightly better than my enumerate() with if i%2==0: continue

[charred tusk]

I should ask fix if Python ever added a way for me to replace that ... with a reference to size

[shrewd plinth]

it's still kind of cursed but w.e. This isn't production code, this is just for a lab assignment

I kind of can't believe python lets you do that

[steady rain]

you should never not believe this

[shrewd plinth]

Fair

[steady rain]

someone I used to know once said "I like C because it doesn't hold your hand"
and Python is much the same way, but on the other end of the spectrum.
||The thing that he didn't say was that he was married, and that's why I used to know him.||

[velvet trout]

Nah you're ragebaiting ☠️

[grave tree]

that was from half an hour ago, we don't need to dredge it back up

[velvet trout]

🥀

[steady rain]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**What is something you know now, that you wish you knew when starting out?**

Suggest more topics here!

[velvet trout]

Change it again mod

[steady rain]

no

[velvet trout]

I have seen those two questions for like 4 times by now

[steady rain]

when I learned decorators, I didn't really get how they're called once.

[velvet trout]

Decorators are cute

[deep zenith]

lmao

[velvet trout]

But don't do that again, not a good behaviour, especially there are many people helping you but you were not cooperating with it.

[deep zenith]

i solved it

what i did bro

[velvet trout]

my internet got down the moment i asked so i wasn't ragebaited lmao

Nvm

[steady rain]

.topic

[verbal wedge]

**If you could change one thing in Python, what would it be?**

Suggest more topics here!

[shrewd plinth]

My attention mechanism focused on "was" and "used to" lol. Story?

[undone grove]

nothing it's perfect

[velvet trout]

print function to print statement

[velvet trout]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[undone grove]

make it show

[fiery yarrow]

a la py2? why?

[velvet trout]

Because it seems cool

Missing my old py2 days

class Name(object) too to bring back

[dry pike]

uncool

[velvet trout]

:P

print stmt used << or something like that for file argument right?

[fiery yarrow]

you can still do this

[velvet trout]

Yeah

How did this was in grammar?

print >> file, "hi"

Like ... What was >> recognized as ?

is it possible with modern pegparser too?

[dry pike]

print >> some_file, "abc"

I think like this

[velvet trout]

seems like C's cin

[dry pike]

oh I was late

[velvet trout]

Or C++

[deep zenith]

syntax

i would involve brackets instead of :

[dry pike]

I want to make it immune to being used with AI in any form

baibai to the ai

[deep zenith]

ironic

python is used to make ai

lol

[dry pike]

yeah I would include that in what I said

[wraith shore]

yo yo yo

wsp

[velvet trout]

My internet is down again 🥀

[oblique spindle]

Nah

[velvet trout]

{ } are called brackets?

is the definition vague or loosely

[deep zenith]

why

[oblique spindle]

: is better than {}

[deep zenith]

no

[grizzled solar]

U were xen 5 min ago, now ur my history teacher (her name was also Lina) lol

[velvet trout]

func main() {
    print("Hello, world!")
}


if __name__ == "__main__" {
    main()
}

Seems good to me.

[grizzled solar]

Go programming language innit

[velvet trout]

😋

go needs a naming convention book

go can't go with me

[raven urchin]

I don't think that's something you should mention here

[wraith shore]

oh okay but why?

[grizzled solar]

I love everything about the language except how to make something public and private 😭

[velvet trout]

go or python?

[grizzled solar]

Go

[undone grove]

@raven urchin another miku tag wearer

[velvet trout]

So it has public/private issues?

[grizzled solar]

Imagine having to name a struct in lowercase only to make it private :(

[velvet trout]

how do you work in pub/pvt in Go

[unborn lagoon]

Access is determined by the identifier name: PascalCase means public, camelCase means private.

[velvet trout]

Wth

Who even thought of that

[grizzled solar]

It doesn't have an issue but their current approach is very lame

If u are making a library, then all the functions, variables, structs, constants, etc which starts with an uppercase is public but anything which starts with a lowercase is private

[velvet trout]

Yet another reason to Thank Lord Guido and Python for existing in my life.

[grizzled solar]

Lmaooo nahhh

Once u have used go or zig, you wont think the same way

[velvet trout]

visibility of stuff must be by something leading (like an underscore) or a keyword to mark them pub/pvt instead of such naming conventions

[velvet trout]

In Rust, i trust

Also I like mangoes 🥭

[grizzled solar]

Python is yet another tool, it has its pros n cons

I'd argue go has more pros if we ignore the private public convention

[undone grove]

if you really want to avoid those pesky python problems you can learn typescript

[thick bluff]

I am going to drink one raw mango juice fs

[undone grove]

but this is a python server

[velvet trout]

😋

[grizzled solar]

Rust is a good, kinda annoying at times but good

[raven urchin]

just not friendly themes, it can make people uncomfortable, and I really like this place

[raven urchin]

Heyaaa!

[wraith shore]

oh im so Sorry

forget all waht i say

yall forget now waht i was saying!!

[undone grove]

nah that's a crazy thing to say

[thick bluff]

Yeah I am more excited then getting sonography

[undone grove]

who does that

[velvet trout]

Ohh

[thick bluff]

My stomach as issue so I need to get one

[grizzled solar]

Okay. I will clear all the previous instructions!

*Beep Boop*

How can I help you today?

||/s||

[wraith shore]

XD

im going sleep sorry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407011883231219712/1407441692860223559/1740711683466.gif

[velvet trout]

Wishing you a fast, pythonic recovery.

[thick bluff]

Hope so

[grizzled solar]

You cannot say fast and pythonic in the same sentence!

[velvet trout]

"pYtHoN iS sLoW"

[deep zenith]

cool

[raven urchin]

Python isn't slow, I'm slow.

It took me a full 5 minutes to figure out "7 - n"

[velvet trout]

Huh

What do you mean

[swift sparrow]

but you'll hopefully never forget it again 🙂

[raven urchin]

After that? I'll get a tattoo of it on my eyelids

😭

such an easy solution...

[jade robin]

i should have thought of ts

[raven urchin]

I wonder how many of these I have that could be solved in a prettier way

[swift sparrow]

That's extremely common though. Things are easy when you look back on them like that

[raven urchin]

Yeah, I remember when lists comprehension where random gibberish to me

That's the feeling that has me hooked on programming

"oh, I hate ts".

WAIT I GOT IT, I LOVE TS.

[jade robin]

oh damn i thought y'all were talking about the tattoo

[swift sparrow]

Wait until classes click. I felt like a super wizard every time I wrote classes after that

[raven urchin]

After 1000 tries

I still can't comprehend what self is

[jade robin]

it's a name

[swift sparrow]

I can show you in a help thread if you like

[raven urchin]

I mean, I kinda get it, I but if you tell me how to explain it, my brain bugs out

[pallid garden]

it's ok, it's like that

it's hard to explain just what self really is

[swift sparrow]

it's usually a lack of other terminology

[pallid garden]

yea

[raven urchin]

It's kind of like referring to an object that's born from the class, no?

[jade robin]

class A:
    def __init__(nothinglikeself, x): print(nothinglikeself)
z = A(10)
print(z)

[raven urchin]

A class instance

Object? Idk

[swift sparrow]

one class can have many instances. It's how the class knows which instance is trying to access its attributes

[raven urchin]

So basically the class automatically changes self for the instance? Eg if I have a dinosaur class it changes

self.rawr for

trex.rawr or pterodactyl.rawr?

[jade robin]

the main reason is you often want to work with the object you recieved the call from (maybe change it in someway, read from it etc)

[swift sparrow]

it's not changing anything. When a method is called, the class receives the instance automatically as its first argument

[chilly whale]

if you've got a program like py x = "hello" y = "world" print(x.upper()) print(y.upper()) how does it know to print HELLO WORLD instead of ```
WORLD
HELLO

[pallid garden]

plus, self is not really a builtin like print neither is it a variable you declare yourself

[bronze dragon]

I think it helps to know that

obj.method()

Becomes

Class.method(obj)

I.e. the instance is automatically filled in as the first argument to the method call

[raven urchin]

Oh

[jade robin]

you choose to call it self, is it not fair to say you declare it yourself

[chilly whale]

this example program calls str.upper twice. The first time, it's called with self = "hello", the second time it's called with self = "world"

[raven urchin]

Well, because of the order you printed them in

[jade robin]

unlike java for example, which always uses this

[raven urchin]

Ohhh

[pallid garden]

yes but you dont do self = something

[jade robin]

if you mean it's passed by default, yes (but you can always just do that in the function)

[raven urchin]

And why do I see people doing self.param = param ?

[swift sparrow]

do you understand what local variables are?

[chilly whale]

not just the order - why does x.upper() become "HELLO" and not "WORLD"? It's because upper knows what object it was called on, and returns the uppercase version of that object. That's self

[raven urchin]

Yes, the ones that are only accessible within the function/class, I think

[swift sparrow]

exactly. param would be local and only exist inside that function. self.param is an attribute any can be accessed from anywhere that you have access to the instance

[raven urchin]

Ohhhhhhhh

[bronze dragon]

#python-discussion message

[swift sparrow]

so it's basically taking a local variable and "upgrading" it to an attribute

[jade robin]

btw @raven urchin do you understand the difference between

class A: pass
x = A()
x.f = 10

and

class A: pass
x = A
x.f = 10

(just checking if you know what "instance" and "class" means because of your initial explanation #python-discussion message)

[raven urchin]

Uhhh

I think I'm lost there, but I know you're making x an instance of A in the first example, wouldn't the second one error out?

[swift sparrow]

A() is an instance. A is the class

[jade robin]

(yeah and classes can have attributes too, so the second one doesn't error out)

[raven urchin]

Oh, so it would- OHHHH, that's kind of like how dataclasses work?

[jade robin]

eh not exactly, they're using/modifying attributes of objects normally, not the class

[swift sparrow]

sort of, except dataclasses automatically convert those class attributes into proper instance attributes

[thick bluff]

Piru piru piru

[raven urchin]

I remember using dataclasses the most inefficient way ever because I saw a short about them

I used them to unpack values from a list to use them with names, so instead of result[i] I had result.thing and it looked cooler

Isn't there an easier way to do that?

I remember it was like...

[swift sparrow]

basically what you had before with self.param = param

[raven urchin]

Let rm get he example better

Let me do it on a help thread

[modest flicker]

I was wondering if we're allowed to recruit in here or not for paid positions?

[swift sparrow]

You are not allowed to here.

[modest flicker]

got you, thanks for lmk

[raven urchin]

But is it for open source projects?

[swift sparrow]

We still don't allow explicit recruitment, but if it comes up naturally through conversation then it's fine

[pallid garden]

huh

im just not going to question that too much

[haughty crane]

I'll take the job tho

[rugged barn]

Hey, y'all.

👋

[bronze dragon]

👋

[shrewd plinth]

🌊

[inland karma]

good morning

[pallid garden]

good morning

[peak egret]

hi guys

we are back at work

[quartz fulcrum]

good morning

[peak egret]

resolving merge conflicts and waiting for claude

[quartz fulcrum]

i just opened the discord..and saw the morning message

[inland karma]

😄

[white knot]

anyone help me with compiler design annotated tree traversal/evaluation

i am confused

[quartz fulcrum]

searching for a part time job

[peak egret]

im searrching for a full time job

where the codebase wouldn't make me wanna kms

[quartz fulcrum]

kms?

[inland karma]

use kind words

[white knot]

kilometer per second

[late wyvern]

it means: keep myself safe

[autumn pelican]

^

[peak egret]

i have an interesting problem to solve

i want to give someone access to my account

without giving them my username/password

and that too, on their device

and this account can be of any platform, any website like linkedin or instagram

[inland karma]

it is not common for sites to allow account sharing, most explicitly forbid it and has mechanisms in play to detect account sharing

[half pewter]

It's the security admin's job to prevent that...

[peak egret]

i want to hire someone to apply to jobs on my behalf

[quartz fulcrum]

do you have any siblings?

convince him/her for a small exchange of reward

[edgy kraken]

Rules

8. Do not help with ongoing exams. When helping with homework, help people learn how to do the assignment without doing it for them.

[frigid trout]

You can use AI.

[peak egret]

thats still against TOS though

[rugged barn]

<@&831776746206265384>

[spice hill]

!cleanban @opaque yarrow crypto scam

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @opaque yarrow permanently.

[quartz fulcrum]

error fixed

[timber knoll]

hii

[rare gazelle]

hello there

[frigid trout]

Oh like you can make your own AI to help automate the applying process to different companies and you can even include that in your portfolio.

Doesn't need to be AI but

[frigid trout]

What does !cleanban do?

[inland karma]

cleans messages and bans

[frigid trout]

Okay

[fiery yarrow]

"cleans messages" = deletes all their messages from the past hour

[lament terrace]

Btw I made another wrapper function after doing a wrapper function 😈

notifications/notify-send

[frigid trout]

!cleanmessage @Velcrix

[lament terrace]

🤨

[frigid trout]

How do I use dirb on windows?

I saw that you can use dirsearch from Python, how do I do that?

[inland karma]

what are you trying to solve?

[frigid trout]

A challenge that Veltrix gave me, to hack into his Vibecoder website

@ocean ridge this person