python-discussion

[swift sparrow]

Path('.') will be your "current working directory". Usually the location of where you're running your python file from

[hollow citrus]

omg now i know how it works from pathlib import Path

current_folder = Path('.')

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
print(file_or_dir)

i thought that i need to put in current_folder('') like then ame of the folder not just a plain dot i thoguht the dot was a place holder

[swift sparrow]

you can put the name of a folder if you want

[hollow citrus]

i tried it gave me errors

[inland karma]

. is always the current folder

[swift sparrow]

you likely needed to use a raw string

really common issue with windows path strings

[inland karma]

on windows you have to use a raw string

[hollow citrus]

whats a raw string

[swift sparrow]

are you familair with special characters like \n?

[hollow citrus]

yes

[inland karma]

r'C:\Users\eivl\Documents\projects\new_project'

[swift sparrow]

well what if you had a path that had that in it? folder\new_stuff\november\data.txt

[hollow citrus]

thx that worked

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming.idea
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\apis
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\bank_system
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\bitcoin
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\calc
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\compre
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\learning
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\password_checker_manager
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\pdf
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\PyCharmMiscProject
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe

listed this

[swift sparrow]

python will get confused with the \n here in the path. There's many other special characters too. If we want python to treat everything here as literal text, we need the raw string. It basically tells python to ignore all the special sequences

[hollow citrus]

if im supposed to use \n why did r'' work

[swift sparrow]

I never said to use \n

[hollow citrus]

oh lol

[swift sparrow]

I said that things like \n can cause issues

[hollow citrus]

just an example

its odd why did r'' fix the problem i only ever use that for regex

[swift sparrow]

!e

print('1hello\nworld')
print(r'2hello\nworld')

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 1hello
002 | world
003 | 2hello\nworld

[swift sparrow]

it's the same reason

look at the difference between these two prints

One of them sees \n as a newline. One of them sees it as the literal text \n

[hollow citrus]

oh wow thanks for teaching me smth new didnt realize that

thats prob gonna be useful for the future t

[swift sparrow]

yes, it's really helpful for paths/regex

[hollow citrus]

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming.idea
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\apis
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\bank_system
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\bitcoin
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\calc
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\compre
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\learning
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\password_checker_manager
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\pdf
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\PyCharmMiscProject
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe instead of this getting printed any way for my to just print the project ideas

[hollow citrus]

regex i knew already didnt know we use it on paths but hey first time using paths here so ye xd

[swift sparrow]

what do you mean project ideas?

[hollow citrus]

i meant names

idk why i typed ideas 😭

[swift sparrow]

then you might not have fully understood why it was being used for regex strings

[hollow citrus]

ye i guess i didnt

[swift sparrow]

so you want just the folder names without the full paths?

[hollow citrus]

i didnt wonder enough for it

[hollow citrus]

yes

[inland karma]

file.name will print only the name

[hollow citrus]

print(file_or_dir.name)

i did it before

[swift sparrow]

path objects have properties that allow you to access specific information

[hollow citrus]

i assumed it would be .name and i was right

[swift sparrow]

yeah, file_or_dir.name

[hollow citrus]

😎

[swift sparrow]

for files, this gives the full filename like foo.txt

[hollow citrus]

beat u to it eivl xd

[swift sparrow]

if you just want foo, it would be .stem

and if you just wanted the extension, it's .suffix

TIL about the with_stem method. Super useful

[hollow citrus]

stem and name give me same result

[swift sparrow]

it will for folders

[inland karma]

many with things!

[swift sparrow]

not for files though

[hollow citrus]

suffix gives me nothing

[swift sparrow]

yeah I saw, they're really nifty

[swift sparrow]

folders don't have extensions

[hollow citrus]

.stem =

.idea
apis
bank_system
bitcoin
calc
compre
learning
ls_project
password_checker_manager
pdf
PyCharmMiscProject
TicTacToe

.name =.idea
apis
bank_system
bitcoin
calc
compre
learning
ls_project
password_checker_manager
pdf
PyCharmMiscProject
TicTacToe

[inland karma]

with_suffix is the new one i think

[hollow citrus]

there isnt a diff here right?

[inland karma]

or maybe it was segments

[swift sparrow]

stem will be the same for folders and files

it only starts to make a difference when looking at files

[lusty reef]

When it comes to any sort of audio/voice input. Webrtcvad is basically a requirement right?

[hollow citrus]

like inside?

tosee whats inside of my files now like main.py and venv

[swift sparrow]

no, when dealing with file names

[hollow citrus]

what do u mean when looking into the names?

[white knot]

Over network?

[swift sparrow]

a folder can contain files and folders

[lusty reef]

My dumb ass has been using chatgpt to help guide me through what to use to build a voice assistant, and at first it was telling me this "np.linalg" which I guess is just for sound detection, not real voice detection

[lusty reef]

For transcribing speech audio

[swift sparrow]

if you print .name for a file, you get the full name, including extension

I'm saying if you want a specific part of the filename, like the part before the extension or just the extension, you need .stem or .suffix

[inland karma]

file_or_dir.stat() will also be usefull

[lusty reef]

faster Whisper keeps giving me phantom transcriptions using just np.linalg

[white knot]

I think there are some python libs for thid

[hollow citrus]

Oh like this

.stem

Attachments
Desktop
desktop
Documents
Pictures
programming

.name

Attachments
Desktop
desktop.ini
Documents
Pictures
programming the.inl goes poof

[swift sparrow]

I just set this up recently to get some file information in my GUI 🙂

[hollow citrus]

os.stat_result(st_mode=16895, st_ino=4222124650821109, st_dev=17741944189098916607, st_nlink=1, st_uid=0, st_gid=0, st_size=4096, st_atime=1769588559, st_mtime=1769099318, st_ctime=1766741852)

why would i need smth like this

[inland karma]

yeah, i use it as well

[swift sparrow]

Lets me compare creation/modified time

[inland karma]

you dont have to use os at all, you can just use pathlib

[swift sparrow]

that's the return of Path.stat

[inland karma]

ahh.. good.. i missed that

[hollow citrus]

just want to go to the next step and making sure im on right track current_folder = Path(r'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming')

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
file = file_or_dir
print(file)
from here i should like append my file to a list then go through the list and open each file to see whats inside of it?

[swift sparrow]

it's entirely up to you, but there's definitely no need to do file = file_or_dir

[inland karma]

ls does not look inside the file content

[swift sparrow]

ls lists the contents of a directory

[inland karma]

it just shows you file and folder stats on that line

[hollow citrus]

ik i was checking smth im deleting that part

[white knot]

Why not open it in the current loop

[hollow citrus]

but because i have smth like C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe cant i just list hwats inside the tictactoe

[hollow citrus]

i could do that?

[swift sparrow]

sure, how would adding it to a list first be any different?

[swift sparrow]

yes

this is where you would have to implement cd

"change directory"

[hollow citrus]

thought it wouldnt work xd so i was gonna add it to a list this is much better

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
if file_or_dir.is_dir():
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file) got it

[swift sparrow]

at this point, you might as well just use rglob

[white knot]

How about recursion... I never used recursive stuff

[swift sparrow]

that's exactly what rglob is. The "r" stands for "recursive"

[hollow citrus]

why should i use recursion

[neat pawn]

I am very pythonic, never doubt me

[swift sparrow]

traversing file trees is a great use-case for recursion

you have function that says "look inside the folder". The recursive bit is "if you find a folder inside that folder, look inside that too"

[white knot]

like the problem is like recurrence relation.
Like the x is related to x+1

Dir1 is parent of dir2

[hollow citrus]

is rglobe a function with module?

[swift sparrow]

it's a method of pathlib.Path objects

[hollow citrus]

ok im gonna look for it and il try to do this part bymyself

so i wanna get rid
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file) and use rglobe?

[swift sparrow]

I had already showed an example of it above

instead of *.png you can just do * to search for everything

[hollow citrus]

holy that prints alot

[swift sparrow]

it's every file and every folder

[hollow citrus]

all i want is the stuff inside the file not the stuff in file in file in file

for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file) this gave me it

gave me all the files that are in that file and done

[swift sparrow]

if you want to choose the next file to look in, you need to implement a cd function

[hollow citrus]

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
if file_or_dir.is_dir():
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file.name)
this worked

[swift sparrow]

that's how navigating directories in a terminal usually works

ls to list the contents of your current folder. cd to choose which folder to move into

[hollow citrus]

the recursion gave me everything i just needed the names inside the file not name in name in name

[swift sparrow]

so if I do ls and get back

dir_a
dir_b
dir_c

[white knot]

This does one level of search. In recursion it goes untill base case thats no more sub folders

[swift sparrow]

if I want to know what's inside dir_b, I would do cd dir_b

[hollow citrus]

i dont want that

[slender urchin]

Do you only need a certain file type?

[swift sparrow]

it's not clear what you want then

[hollow citrus]

i got to my folder with my project i open each project to see whats inside

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
if file_or_dir.is_dir():
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file)

this does exactly that

[swift sparrow]

that does the same as rglob

[hollow citrus]

recursions continues but at that point i dont need that info

[hollow citrus]

recursions prints everything for example

project data has main.py venv. idea. recursion continues it goes inside of those files aswell i dont want that

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.idea
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe\games.py i like this but recursion goes further

[swift sparrow]

Explain exactly what you want. Make sure you're clear about talking about files and folders

[hollow citrus]

my folder is programming my folders(projects) in programming are what i want to go inside to see what folders are in them (main.py etc) i dont want to continue after that

recursion continues till the end

[swift sparrow]

but which one do you want to go inside specifically?

[hollow citrus]

but i dont care whats inside my main.py

[swift sparrow]

directory traversal does not open files

[hollow citrus]

im going into my project folders

[swift sparrow]

why that one?

[hollow citrus]

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.idea
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe\games.py my code gives me this recurions continues

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe\games.py/etc/etc/etc/etc till it cant no more

[hollow citrus]

uh? i dont get the question

[swift sparrow]

how do you want to decide which subfolder to look in?

[hollow citrus]

il figure that out soon but rglobe prints to much

[slender urchin]

Something like this? [Path(p) for p in glob.glob("**/*") if Path(p).is_file()]?

[swift sparrow]

did you read what I said about cd above?

[hollow citrus]

cd decides which folder to open yes ik

[white knot]

whats the two asterik before the slah

Both wildcard?

[slender urchin]

folder

[inland karma]

glob syntax

[swift sparrow]

ok so you need to get input to choose which folder to move into

[hollow citrus]

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv\Lib\site-packages\charset_normalizer-3.4.4.dist-info\licenses\LICENSE
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv\Lib\site-packages\charset_normalizer\cli_init_.py
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv\Lib\site-packages\charset_normalizer\cli_main_.py
C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\TicTacToe.venv\Lib\site-packages\charset_normalizer\cli_pycache_ just expkaining what i mean about inf o idont want idc about whats in my .venv i just wanted to see if i have a .venv .main etc in my folder idc about the other stuff

[hollow citrus]

ye thats what im doing next

[white knot]

Hmm but what are you trying to achieve just learning??

[swift sparrow]

that's what you need to do now

then you can easily navigate your folders with code

it's quite simple to set up

[hollow citrus]

input = input("Enter a file name: ")
current_folder = Path(fr'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming{input}')

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
print(file_or_dir)
im dumb i dont need an extra loop

😂

[swift sparrow]

remember you can use / for path objects

(also don't use input as a variable)

[hollow citrus]

ye ik i was gonna change it

just wanted to see if it worksbut hey now i made it work time to clean it up

[swift sparrow]

also make sure you're clear about the difference between a file and folder

[hollow citrus]

Enter a file name: ls_project
.idea
.venv
main.py

[swift sparrow]

I think a lot of your questions were confusing because you were mixing them up

[hollow citrus]

i know im sorry for confusing u xd

[swift sparrow]

location = input("Enter a folder name: ")
current_folder = Path('.') / location


for contents in current_folder.iterdir():
    print(contents)

/ is the best 🙂

[hollow citrus]

it was confusing me that there is folders in folders so i kept confusing u xd

[digital canyon]

Tell me how to have txt file in structured format? When we have data in tabular form

Means what to do to have structured txt file

[swift sparrow]

the structure will depend on what you're trying to do

[white knot]

Use json

[hollow citrus]

location = input("Enter a folder name: ")
current_folder = Path(r'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming') / location

for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
print(file_or_dir.name) this code is only 5 lines its not even long or smth

[digital canyon]

Actually I have convert PDFs to txt files

[hollow citrus]

now i gotta add when it was created and all but im getting the hang of it now so w?

[swift sparrow]

you're most of the way there to cd now

[digital canyon]

I already use json still

[proud escarp]

does everybody use ruff as their linter now? like i mean almost everybody
like how people have moved to using uv
is ruff "the" linter for python during this time

[hollow citrus]

well didnt i just do cd with the input?

i did cd ls_project then ls

[proud escarp]

someone told me that it is but ive never thought of it that way

[swift sparrow]

well hopefully eventually you'll ask the user if they want to ls or cd

[proud escarp]

ive only thought of it as another linter available, which is popular right now

[hollow citrus]

oh ye ofcourse i should do that

[swift sparrow]

so you need to parse if they typed cd and what the following dir name is

[hollow citrus]

what should i print if they only want to do cd

[white knot]

Like i use vscode. I think linter comes with microsoft extension

[swift sparrow]

it doesn't need to print anything

you just need to keep track of the "current folder"

[proud escarp]

that's pylance, and by extension pyright
i too use pyright as my linter, i used to use basedpyright

[swift sparrow]

cd just moves to a new "current folder"

[hollow citrus]

oh then they can cd inside of that folder like in ls_project there can be main.pu main2.py so they can do now cd main2.py and see whats inside of that with ls just an example idk if itl workd cause main2.py would be code

[swift sparrow]

yes exactly

[white knot]

Ohk, i also make use of black formatter

[hollow citrus]

ye i could do that

[swift sparrow]

and cd .. means "go up 1 folder"

[white knot]

I think ruff does that too?

[proud escarp]

ruff does yeah, it also sorts the imports like isort does

[digital canyon]

Actually I made chatbot and store that txt files in backend

[hollow citrus]

i think imma first do smth like this tho
Mode LastWriteTime Length Name

---

d----- 1/28/2026 10:41 AM .idea
d----- 1/28/2026 10:11 AM .venv
-a---- 1/28/2026 11:28 AM 267 main.py

[swift sparrow]

you can get the parent folder using .parent in pathlib

[swift sparrow]

I would get the base navigation working first. Then you can focus on formatting/style.

[hollow citrus]

.parent folder would be programming right?

location = input("Enter a folder name: ")
current_folder = Path(r'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming') / location

[hollow citrus]

ok so keep track of whether user wants cd and ls got it il do that next

[swift sparrow]

it depends on what your current folder is. If you've already cd a few times, then .. should just go up 1 folder

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[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @charred bison permanently.

[pallid garden]

darn, i was hoping i could give him some money because he promised me more money in return

[swift sparrow]

sorry the offer was only valid for 5 seconds

[pallid garden]

damn... job offers are insane nowadays

[swift sparrow]

he was banned so no one else could claim it

[spice hill]

baba is scam

[swift sparrow]

scam is win

[spice hill]

I was thinking of making a flake8 plugin that warns about suspicious/bad usage of re, but I feel like nobody is going to use it, as people are moving away from flake8

I don't think ruff is planning to add plugin support any time soon

[golden mortar]

What are suspicious/bad usages of re?

[hollow citrus]

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py' fosh how do i prevent the double \ else:
current_folder = current_folder / input_cd_ls

[slender urchin]

LIke using /d for [0-9]

[pallid garden]

wait what

is /d bad usage?

[swift sparrow]

you'll need to do a bit of parsing. If they typed cd other_folder, you need to split the text to get the name of the folder they want to cd into

[white knot]

0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9 is bad

[swift sparrow]

I think it has to do with numerals in other languages?

[hollow citrus]

atm im just doing the inputs with cd like main.py the thing is im getting erorr cause its doing this 'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py' double \

[swift sparrow]

you can't cd into a file

cd is "change directory"

[pallid garden]

why isnt it chdir

[swift sparrow]

depends on os 🤷

windows doesn't have ls

it's dir

nm powershell has ls, just not terminal

[spice hill]

For example:

• using modifiers that you might be used to using but are probably wrong (e.g. \d and $)
• likely typos such as {3, 5} (which is the string {3, 5} literally, you probably meant {3,5}), or typoing (?<!negative lookahead) as (?!<negative lookahead)
• using ^...$ or equivalent with re.match/re.search when you should just use re.fullmatch

[hollow citrus]

current_folder = current_folder / input_cd_ls so this cant work at all?

[swift sparrow]

Read what I wrote

2 things. You need to parse the cd to get the actual destination, and you also can't cd into a file

[hollow citrus]

oh if i cant cd into a file then how do i do + 1 to the folder like u said earlier

[hollow citrus]

what do umean by parse

[mental warren]

Hey guys, I had a small doubt.

I was working on a project and I'm trying to import a file into all of my other files. But its keeps on saying that they can't find the file.
GPTs saying that I must include an empty __init _ _.py file into all the directories to make it work.

Can anyone explain why?

[swift sparrow]

you have to verify that the destination is a valid folder and not a file

[swift sparrow]

parse means taking the information and getting usable data from it

if they type cd other_folder then the goal is to cd into other_folder

if you just take their input directly then you're trying to cd into a folder named "cd other_folder"

[slender urchin]

That was needed in older versions of python.

[hollow citrus]

ok il figure this out later gotta join a zoom for smth

[white knot]

Adding that makes your folder a package

[swift sparrow]

it's no longer necessary to import from it though. Only if you want to import the package name itself

[spice hill]

\d matches a lot of decimal digits that are not 0123456789 (like ௫), which is probably not intentional

[slender urchin]

What you need now is probably an import relative to the root of your project and running it with -m

[pallid garden]

i see

[hollow citrus]

ye so for the first time they cd it works the 2nd time not so much sop il figure it out later

[mental warren]

This is the current file structure:

Project_root/Directory_1/ - containing python files tryin to import config file
Project_root/config/settings.py

so do I not need the __init.py file then?

[swift sparrow]

you only need the __init__ if you plan on importing the folder itself. When you do that, it will run the code inside __init__.py

[slender urchin]

Import as config.settings
And then run with py -m Directory_1/filename.py

[white knot]

Why not keep the common file in something called util in root and then i think all other files can import it

[mental warren]

Alright, Thanks for the help.

[white knot]

Why the -m flag

[warm girder]

is there a blog demoing these

[white knot]

I see we use it with venv too

[spice hill]

not sure what you mean, but I recently made this https://decorator-factory.github.io/python-re-quiz/

[eternal glen]

I thought I was doing pretty good until I got to about #7

[spice hill]

yeah, you gotta be sober for #6 and #7

[eternal glen]

am sober, but not caffeinated

maybe that's my error

I never use VERBOSE

[tepid seal]

Hey could anyone help me I can't import a module into mu

[slender urchin]

I already failed at 4 😔

[pallid garden]

i didnt even pass 1...

[spice hill]

It ended up being more of a troll quiz than educational quiz. Except maybe for #3, hopefully people will phase out $ in new regexes

[eternal glen]

as a former Perl programmer, that was the expected behavior for me, and I didn't know about \A and \Z

[swift sparrow]

I haven't used mu but could you elaborate on what issue you're running into? Maybe open a help thread for this

[eternal glen]

but I'll probably remember to use re.fullmatch in future so 👍

[spice hill]

the name of re.match is definitely one of my pet peeves of all time

[eternal glen]

I always write re.match when I mean re.search (Perl, again, probably)

in fact I did that yesterday

(but I still got the question right, somehow)

[charred tusk]

But it matches

[tepid seal]

Yeah wait

It's open @swift sparrow

[spice hill]

It is specifically a prefix match, so re.match("foo", "foobar") produces a match, but re.match("foo", "a foo") doesn't

it is occasionally useful, but it's probably not what you want

[swift sparrow]

Ok, I've replied there

[slender urchin]

it can match any decimal Unicode digit, such as ² or 🯹
It doesn't match ²

[spice hill]

oh crap, you're right

I don't know if it makes it better or worse

thank you

[slender urchin]

It seems to match charcters from the decimal number category in unicode

[spice hill]

"²".isdigit() is True but "²".isdecimal() is false...

[verbal parcel]

Can we crack a exo file without the key?

[granite wyvern]

It's always what you wnat when parsing.

[slender urchin]

!rule 5

[edgy kraken]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[verbal parcel]

I am just asking if it's possible

[pallid garden]

no

[slender urchin]

And i'm just pointing you to the rules saying we don't talk about that stuff here

[spice hill]

Yes, parsing text in chunks (without lexing it first) is probably the use case for it

[verbal parcel]

It is..

[pallid garden]

it's not possible

[spice hill]

Though in that case you probably want re.Pattern.match, which accepts a starting position

[rare gazelle]

helu

[upper canopy]

guys how do u split a number with decimals?

like if input = 12.75

how to split 12.75 to 12, 75

[spice hill]

why do you want this?

[upper canopy]

for an assignment

[slender urchin]

Do you have to use math, or can you use string operations

[upper canopy]

I want to keep dividing a number, let's say 75, while it is > 0

which results in:
75.0
37.5
18.75
9.375
4.6875
2.34375
1.171875
0.5859375

But, I want to make it to where it divides to 37.5
ignores the .5 in 37.5
divides 37
into 18.5

and same process repeats

until it meets 0.5

[upper canopy]

string operations?

[spice hill]

!rule 6 @hoary scaffold Whatever it is, you can't advertise on this server.

[edgy kraken]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[spice hill]

So you don't want to use the fractional part, you just want to discard it?
You can use math.floor then

[slender urchin]

You can call int() on a number to just get the integer part

[charred tusk]

@mods i — dammit fix I’m tired, at least let me get the words out so I can feel useful

[pallid garden]

:3

[upper canopy]

You see, I'm on my 4th week of Python Class. Our professor hasn't taught us the math.floor thing, so I'd like to use beginner methods

[charred tusk]

[pallid garden]

threatening other members... mods ban this person

[upper canopy]

Yes but, I also want to have a separate function for the decimal

if 75 / 2 = 37.5
split 37.5 into 37 and 0.5
if theres a 0.5, or a decimal, print 1
if theres no "." or decimals, print 0
divide 37 / 2 > 18 / 2 > 9 /2 etc.

judging from that maybe u know what I'm trying to do

[spice hill]

If you always start with an integers, you can use the // (floor division) operator. 37 // 2 is 18
As Grote said, you can also call int() on a float, which will truncate it (it is different from "flooring" for negative numbers, probably not relevant for you).

[upper canopy]

so I'd like to ask how do I do all of those functions

[spice hill]

You probably want to use % (modulo) to figure out if a number is divisible by 2

[upper canopy]

I see, can u give me an example of that?

[spice hill]

That should've definitely been part of your course. Can you show the assignment text perhaps?

[upper canopy]

give me a sec

[upper canopy]

1. Write a code that converts a decimal number to any number system.
2. Write a code that converts any number system to DECIMAL.
   Most specifically to Binary(Base 2), Octal(Base 8), Hexadecimal(Base 16).

Without using built-in functions like bin, oct, dec, hex
and must be able to convert numbers with decimals like 75.25 or 101.101

[hoary scaffold]

I told them to check out my profile so they would know I'm a developer; I wasn't advertising anything.

[spice hill]

For converting between systems, you can use // and %. Those are very likely explained something in your course, if they weren't, that's a big oversight (you can't reasonably this problem without them)
But you can check out https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/introduction.html#numbers for some examples

[upper canopy]

does it have % modulo examples

[spice hill]

yes

it's a fancy name for "remainder"

[spice hill]

Converting fractional numbers between bases is pretty challenging. For example, what's the expected answer if you need to convert the decimal 0.1 to binary?

[upper canopy]

I think I'll make it to where 1 is the minimum

[brisk gazelle]

For example, the number of deer remaining after deer season is called the remaindeer.

[upper canopy]

because I'm not going to dive into something too complex for a student on his 4th week of python

[spice hill]

What's the expected answer if you need to convert 1.1 in decimal to binary?

[upper canopy]

Jarvis send this guy to the moon

[spice hill]

That's going to be a repeated fraction in binary is what I'm saying

[upper canopy]

hmmm

[spice hill]

1.(00011) specifically

[upper canopy]

we're tasked to also limit it to 4 decimal places

like converting 1.1 to binary will be 1.0001

@spice hill so quick question, if it is currently 7:08pm, and the deadline is in 12 hours, do u think it is still possible for me to finish this entire assignment

[spice hill]

Make it work with just integers first. Then see if you can figure something out with fractions

[upper canopy]

mk

[paper panther]

Simeone gave me brainrot

[upper canopy]

@spice hill

I did it

but its in
1
0
1
0
0
1
0

wait the last digit is wrong

[zenith lintel]

is there a python equivalent or analogy for struct in C?

I'm trying to follow something but it's in C and I don't really know it

is it like a dataclass?

[craggy willow]

yeah, a dataclass is close enough

[zenith lintel]

alright, thanks

[rare gazelle]

convert decimal to binary perhaps?

[upper canopy]

yes

[zealous owl]

Guys if anyone here has an arduino or something similar is it reasonable to buy a cheaper clone first to learn

[rare gazelle]

check if it's even or odd and divide by 2 taking the int

[upper canopy]

I already made this

  DeciBin = float(input("Enter a Decimal: "))
  print("Decimal to Binary Conversion")
  while DeciBin > 0:
    DeciBin = DeciBin // 2
    if DeciBin % 2 == 0:
      print("0")
    else:
      print("1")

but it keeps infinitely printing 0

if I put 75

guys I really need help

assignment is due soon

[visual juniper]

functionality wise , the clone works the same as the original arduino board
the only time i used an original board is in our university , but mostly people just buy the 4 USD clones and use those

[arctic lodge]

hello

chat

pythoners

[rare gazelle]

what would be the output of 75.25

[rare gazelle]

with all the respect its not my assignment, we're trying to help u

[upper canopy]

i havent gotten to that part yet

[arctic lodge]

yoo anyone want to rate my projects??

[upper canopy]

im focusing on integers first

[zealous owl]

Ok thank you very much

[visual juniper]

next time maybe dont wait untill the very last hour to do the assignment 💀

[upper canopy]

Yes, and I'd be really happy if theres someone here that can stick with me until its done

or maybe help me with some bugs

[visual juniper]

open a help thread, hard to find someone to stick with you for an hour or two and keep up with the whole conversation

with the help thread , anyone can pop in , read the history and be up to speed with whats going on

[upper canopy]

ok

[rare gazelle]

that code seems valid more or less

[arctic lodge]

HELLOOOO

[visual juniper]

hi 👋

[rare gazelle]

the while loop needs indentation but it looks valid

[arctic lodge]

....../.

my beginner projects

[upper canopy]

changed it to int, doesn't infinitely print 0 anymore

[visual juniper]

what do you want from a review ?

[upper canopy]

problem is it cant handle decimals anymore

[arctic lodge]

idk tips or smth

[rare gazelle]

just do this:

while DeciBin > 0:
    if DeciBin % 2 == 0:
        print("0")
    else:
        print("1")
    DeciBin = DeciBin // 2

instead

the division afterwards

[visual juniper]

make a thread in #1035199133436354600 and put the code review tag

[rare gazelle]

^

[rare gazelle]

u can open a help thread as well

[arctic lodge]

but my code is not that like its a small slot machine shi like no one is gonna review this

[visual juniper]

well if you change your mind and want someone to take a look , you know what to do : )

[short spire]

hi

[arctic lodge]

lmao

[visual juniper]

hello

[cerulean ravine]

"not that": what did you think the code review tag is for?

[visual juniper]

did i say something funny ?

[arctic lodge]

idk

[arctic lodge]

for reviewing some advance codes

[visual juniper]

so you saw my message and just randomly decided to laugh , weird

[arctic lodge]

🙂

[rare gazelle]

laughing is healthy

[cerulean ravine]

it;s for reviewing any code

[arctic lodge]

ohh alr

[brisk gazelle]

Indeed, advanced code is less likely to recieve reviews. People are going to look at it and go, "Nope!"

Whereas simpler, more conceptually accessible code is liable to have more takers.

[rare gazelle]

yea also if u focus the thread on a specific section it's better

[upper canopy]

I opened one

[rare gazelle]

on the specific problem you're facing, what lines of code it likely lies in

[rare gazelle]

alright

[jagged dragon]

.

[jagged belfry]

To review code, first you have to read it, then you have to understand it

The harder it is to read or understand code, the harder it is to review it, and the less likely someone will dedicate the time

[pallid garden]

...i would kinda just comment that it's unreadable as a review

i guess saying it's unreadable isnt really a review

[oblique spindle]

Such a Magnificent Statement.

[jagged belfry]

I think it is

"This code is unreadable, I cannot validate it. Code in our codebases has to be readable, rejected"

In nicer words

Usually I just point to spots that are gnarly and ask them to explain it. They can't, and, well.. that's a rejection

[white knot]

Should i use comments

i forget

All my projects are just small

[slow rivet]

comments should rarely be used, but doesnt mean you shouldnt use them.
now docs on the other hand

comments should generally explain the why not the how.
and in genrally if you need to explain the why the code could likely be written more clearly instead

[cerulean ravine]

you should write comments to explain complicated things, or why you did something.

[white knot]

Hmm whar about like docstring for a function

Like explain what the function does

[cerulean ravine]

ideally the code is understandable without them, but often that is not the case.

[slow rivet]

those arent comments, and you should 100% write those

[cerulean ravine]

docstrings are good, write them.

they help you think about what the function does

[white knot]

yeaa ok

[slow rivet]

this video has some good takes on it with examples of pros and cons: https://youtu.be/Bf7vDBBOBUA

(and ofc the title is a bit clickbaity )

[oblique spindle]

This is an excellent video.

[bright mauve]

it's funny that it puts math as an "exception"

[limpid meadow]

Admittedly, that's something I'm terrible at, commenting or docstrings. It does make it harder to resume a project after a break

[proud nacelle]

This changes with the type of code you are doing

[slow rivet]

I mean I think it applies pretty generally, ofc if the concept in the code are very advanced or esoteric then yeah some comments could help.
or ofc if you are a beginner and still learning leaving yourself comments help

(the trap is getting into the habbit of always writing that kinda explanatory comments once you dont need them anymore )

[proud nacelle]

If you start using variables for a ton of things that aren't necessarily needed in embedded programming for example what he says in the beginning of the video can become an issue

[limpid meadow]

Good naming can help a lot with code readability

[slow rivet]

really? does using a variable actually bloat the compiled code? that feels wrong

[oblique spindle]

I mean 99% of The Time , It's better having Magic Values and Have a Constants File.

[proud nacelle]

Well variables use memory which you are limited on, depending on how big your project is & what hardware you are using this can be the difference between running your script or maxing out

[silver plover]

I think the operative part there was 'embedded', where the constraints are more significant

[slow rivet]

right, but shouldnt most compilers elevate variables to registers if they can

[oblique spindle]

I don't think having 50 or 60 variables like these would be a big deal for memory.

[proud nacelle]

If it's a local variable, if something is used multiple times over different functions it wont

[bright mauve]

on something like an arduino, you have about 2KB to work with

or less depending on the model

[slow rivet]

and the alternative is re-calculating it every time instead?

[daring badger]

is there an ipc guide thats a video rather than documentation?

[oblique spindle]

Is it really this less?

[bright mauve]

trading space with time is always good

[bright mauve]

yes, in embedded yeah

[oblique spindle]

I remember learning in C that the stack is ≈ 8 Mb

[bright mauve]

it's also an issue at larger scales

[oblique spindle]

Idk About Python

[daring badger]

if your working on arduino i dont think that ever a problem fr

[oblique spindle]

And Heap is Much Bigger than That.

[bright mauve]

e.g. i work on regular computers and compute clusters, but the stuff i need to move around is petabytes large

[proud nacelle]

It depends on what you use or are trying to do I guess.

Some things you can just run inside of your function you are trying to do without needing to grab variables from other functions

[bright mauve]

so sometimes it's simply better to compute things on the fly, repeatedly. slower, but otherwise impossible

and naturally that complicates the logic. even worse when generating on the fly involves a lot of math. no amount of clear code and nice variable names will help if the math is involved

[proud nacelle]

[bright mauve]

otherwise math papers and books would be just equations, no text

[proud nacelle]

I've uploaded super simple programs to an Arduino I got laying around here somewhere and it filled out so easy

[daring badger]

give me the simple programs repostory fr

[bright mauve]

ah yeah, to make matters worse, the variable space is also shared with the code space

long code means even less space for your variables

[proud nacelle]

My ESP for school projects that are rather simple I've also gotten rather close to maxing it out on space, which isn't anything special on it's own

[proud nacelle]

I don't have that saved I was just reading out an US sensor with a state machine

[daring badger]

xd

[bright mauve]

i've maxed it out doing audio processing

say you wanna do some FFTs directly on the microcontroller. you reap benefits by FFTing more samples at a time because of the NlogN complexity

but only if you work with powers of 2. grabbing 1024 samples at a time will already give you something to think about on an arduino, whereas your computer can churn through vectors with millions of elements

[proud nacelle]

I guess library's might take a chunk as well , never really thought about that

Some library's you use in embedded for simple stuff are gigantic because it supports a wide range of hardware

[charred tusk]

This guy is great

[dusk adder]

two things i dont like.
one - why would anyone do message* receive_message();? it's obvious that you're supposed to do message *receive_message();
second - math is not r eally an exception. this whole idea breaks apart when you do anything that's just slightly too complex

[cerulean ravine]

i definitely agree that using intermediate variables makes the code easier to understand.

[slow rivet]

on the math thing, right, but most complex stuff is still understandable by understanding the code, but math often wont make sense even if you understand what the code is doing, "but why are we using this forumla"

[dusk adder]

the other thing that he didnt talk about that comments are good for is to explain what a section of the code does
if you have a long function, it helps to break it down with comments to explain what each section is doing
you could technically extract it to multiple different functions, but especially if youre involving a lot of variables in each step, it doesnt add a lot of readability

[slow rivet]

(I often tend to use log calls to denoate sections)

[waxen grotto]

Is there someone who use CodeSnack ide here

[dusk adder]

it's the same thing really
a log call is just a comment you print somewhere 🙂

[slow rivet]

but also you can in general split up a function if you are smart about it, ofc that does depend on what its doing

[waxen grotto]

What ide do you use

[dusk adder]

i use multiple different IDEs. i use neovim, vscode, and pycharm

[waxen grotto]

I only use CodeSnack

[dusk adder]

idk what codesnack is

[ruby sable]

heyy, i know this question is probably asked every ten minutes but how did yall learn python and do you recommend the way u chose

[dusk adder]

it's not always easy
if your section of code that you extract to a function uses one or two variables, that's acceptable. but if that section is involved and requires access to like 5 different variables, it becomes more convoluted to split the function than keeping it in

[slow rivet]

but then maybe you could group that data into a dataclass and create methods on it

[waxen grotto]

It is ide for iPad and stuff i want autosuggestion but i idk how I can have that

[golden mortar]

I learned Python as my maybe fourth or fifth programming language in a very haphazard way while I was studying at uni. No, I would definitely not recommend it.

[dusk adder]

you could, but then youre paying the cost with more abstractions, simply for the benefit of having a separate function
that might not be worth it. now instead of one codeblock, you have three

[waxen grotto]

example you type prin then it suggests print

[slate swallow]

Hi. I'm new to Python (only a few weeks in, and haven't been practicing often) and I feel like I can't do the problems assigned to my class. Where can I find a video series about python and maybe a website for challenges?

[dusk adder]

ill be honest programming on an ipad sounds like a terrible experience

[golden mortar]

• Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online.
• If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good.
• I also recommend Harvard’s free online course CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python.
• Python Programming MOOC 2025 is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser.

[waxen grotto]

That’s only thing i have

[slow rivet]

yeah, and its always gonna be hard to discuss this stuff in the abstract, because there will always be a case where it wont work cleanly etc.

[slate swallow]

Thank you for the detailed response, you must get asked that a lot

[ruby sable]

i am currently reading book called "grokking algorithms"

[golden mortar]

Multiple times a day, yes.

[waxen grotto]

Brocode is definitely the goat

[proud nacelle]

Search the first phrase up xD

'252 results'

[dusk adder]

sometimes having one big function is the cleanest way to solve the problem
and in that case, comments can be pretty useful

[charred tusk]

I've definitely ignored a few RET504 warnings because I wanted the names there

[dusk adder]

yeah especially if the last line isnt just cartoon example bar = 1; return bar. if it's some kind of calculation or the result of a chained operation... might as well clarify

[slow rivet]

but then shouldnt also the function doc string already have specified/explained what the return value is?

[dusk adder]

🤔 yes and no
i mean yes it explains what youre supposed to be getting back, but no it doesnt explain what the last calculation means

[golden mortar]

I think it's better to take statements like "don't write comments" as ideas that are good to be aware of and keep in the back of your head as you write code. There's a valid concept in there, even if it doesn't necessarily apply in all situations.

[ruby sable]

what do you mean by "haphazard way"

[golden mortar]

As in, I didn't study it in a structured and consistent way, I just looked stuff up here and there when I needed it, and I sometimes there would be months passing by without me even using Python. That's definitely not something I'd recommend for someone who just started learning their first programming language.

[dusk adder]

i agree with a lot of the cases he presented
you can, quite often, resolve the need for a comment with variable extracts, reshuffling the code a little, which is better than having a comment
it's just that you can also go overboard, and try to remove comments by twisting the code in shapes that dont actually make it overall more readable

[ruby sable]

and what would you recommend??

[golden mortar]

Yeah, indeed, so you want to absorb and understand the idea behind the statement, and not take it as dogma, so you can apply it in a sensible way.

[golden mortar]

The most effective way to learn Python is incremental and practice-driven. Start with a structured introductory course that covers the basics (syntax, control flow, data structures), and actively do the exercises or small projects alongside it to apply what you learn immediately. Once you’ve completed that foundation, shift your focus to building your own projects, starting small and gradually increasing size and complexity. Real learning happens when you repeatedly encounter problems, try to solve them, and fill in the gaps in your understanding as they arise.

[ruby sable]

do you recommend any specfic course?

[golden mortar]

@ruby sable These ^

All of them are good

[ruby sable]

also are you prepared for questions like this every time beacuse you answered my question in like 3 seconds 😂

[golden mortar]

Yes

[ruby sable]

okay thank you

[proud nacelle]

Made a custom keybind for it yet?

[golden mortar]

No, I have too many snippets

Maybe I should make some kinda tab-complete tool or something

[dusk adder]

def normalized_euclidean_distance(p1: tuple[float, ...], p2: tuple[float, ...]) -> float:
    """
    Compute the Euclidean distance between two points and normalize it
    by the dimensionality of the points.

    Returns: Euclidean distance divided by the number of dimensions,
        which allows distances to be compared across spaces of
        different dimensionality.
    """
    squared_diffs = [(a - b) ** 2 for a, b in zip(p1, p2)]
    sum_of_squares = sum(squared_diffs)

    # This expression would be unclear if returned inline
    normalized_distance = (sum_of_squares ** 0.5) / len(p1)

    return normalized_distance
```counterexample

[ruby sable]

and btw what is git and what is github for in general

[twilit dawn]

ai bot

[proud nacelle]

Wouldn't it be easier to just have a codeword you type that gets replaced with the entire yap text?

[slow rivet]

I mean the function is called "normalized_..._distance", so I dont think that last binding is really needed

[bright mauve]

i would say even if the comment tells you exactly why the function is used, you might still not understand it regardless

[golden mortar]

Git is a version control system for code. It basically lets you keep track of all previous versions of your code, so you can roll back changes to previous versions as needed. It also allows for having branching alternative histories. Github is a platform that lets you host Git repositories (basically codebases) on the cloud.

[golden mortar]

Well, it'd basically work like that, but dynamically.

based on the contents of the snippet

[harsh swallow]

Advertising is not permitted here

[dusk adder]

i suppose you could infer it, but somehow i dont think return (sum_of_squares ** 0.5) / len(p1) is very clear on what it's doing when you read it

[ruby sable]

ohh

[golden mortar]

So Git is a software that you can run locally on your computer or on a server, and different instances of the software can communicate with other instances over the internet. Github is a web service that provides access to and hosting for Git.

[ruby sable]

that sounds useful

[golden mortar]

It's incredibly useful.

[dusk adder]

so useful that most software developers use it

[golden mortar]

That's why it's completely ubiquitous.

Virtually everyone uses it.

[harsh swallow]

Also nothing at that profile is related to python, and it's all clickbaity "most beginners confuse this" or "most people get it wrong"

[dusk adder]

i wish we had a better-than-git thing tbh

[golden mortar]

I like Git.

[bright mauve]

dropbox 🧠

[hoary stone]

@harsh swallow

[dusk adder]

dropbox does not compete with git at all

[hoary stone]

@harsh swallow it is beginning of something u can't even imagine....

[bright mauve]

you would think that, but you'd be mistaken. because people like using overleaf instead of writing latex locally, and overleaf syncs and backs up edit history automatically with dropbox, but requires manual commands with git

[dusk adder]

i dont like how overcomplicated it is
i mean why do we need two different ways to handle conflicts - rebase and merge?
why do i need to resolve conflicts before i can commit my code? what if i wanna do it tomorrow morning?
it's not the final form of version management i feel

[bright mauve]

(yes, latex writing is a big standard usecase for git)

[dusk adder]

uh... latex writing specifically?

what's overleaf?

[bright mauve]

an online latex ide that allows realtime collaboration

[golden mortar]

The difference between rebase and merge depends on how you want your commit graph to look like. Both are natural and valid options.

[dusk adder]

collaborating on a latex document sounds like a nightmare
that's why i prefer typst tbh

[bright mauve]

there's no difference in the usecase, except that typst has less support 😛

[dusk adder]

but it's less abnoxious to write

[golden mortar]

And I mean, if you wanna resolve conflicts tomorrow, wait with doing the merge until tomorrow?

[bright mauve]

imagine you'Re writing a 30 page typst document with 10 people and need to track changes

[dusk adder]

i still want my work to be saved

[golden mortar]

You can commit your changes on a different branch until then.

[upper dirge]

is there a way to avoid exec here?

[exec("z[x]=' '")for x,v in enumerate(z)if ...]```

[golden mortar]

I mean, committing and merging are different things.

You can do one and not the other.

[tropic temple]

z = [" " for _ in z if ...] ?

[rapid bridge]

I'd strongly avoid shared branches in git, everyone should have their own branches which then merge separately from any specific commit

If you commit to a branch only you have, conflicts don't happen

[golden mortar]

You mean aside from the main branch?

[dusk adder]

there are some better tools out there nowadays, like google's jj
but because theyre not nearly as ubiquitous nobody actually uses them

[slender urchin]

Does it need to modify z or can you overwrite z entirely?

[golden mortar]

How does that handle synchronizing work in a way that's better than git?

[rapid bridge]

IG it's more so that you shouldn't commit changes to a shared branch, but merge/rebase an existing branch instead.

Jj isn't a Google project unless something changed very recently

[upper dirge]

I'm pretty sure I can overwrite it

[golden mortar]

If you merge into the main branch, that creates a commit on it. That's unavoidable.

[dusk adder]

you can always do jj pull without ever having to worry about conflicts
all conflict resolutions are postponed to whenever you wanna deal with it
but basic operations never force you to stop everything and handle the conflict

[slender urchin]

z = [i for i, v in enumerate(z) if ... else v]

[golden mortar]

If you work in a feature branch in git, you don't have to worry about conflicts either.

Conflicts only happen when you merge the main branch into your feature branch.

[slender urchin]

wait that's not how that works

[harsh anchor]

that is an interesting way to do that

[upper dirge]

it's so I can make it all one line

[proud escarp]

if you're interested i suggest trying these https://learngitbranching.js.org/
can stay in the website itself and get a good grasp of the concepts, plus you need to solve challenges

[slender urchin]

z = [i if ... else v for i, v in enumerate(z)]

[peak relic]

cc @mossy sigil

[warped crypt]

wanna make email automatically generetor.

[slender urchin]

Wait you are not even using the i
z = [' ' if ... else x for x in z]

[harsh anchor]

you still have the same problems if you work on shared branches though

[upper dirge]

this is the full thing

import sys
z=[*sys.argv[1].replace(*" .")]
for i in range(250):
    [exec("z[x]=' '")for x,v in enumerate(z)if v=="."and sum(1for y in[z[x+1],z[x-1],z[x+52],z[x-52]]if y in"# ")>2]
print(*z,sep="")```

so I do need the i

[peak relic]

!rule ads are not allowed

[edgy kraken]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[dusk adder]

eventually youll need to merge it into main or rebase it or whatever
if you just want to pull the latest update, i dont think it should ever throw you into a merge
it's a different system, im not sure im doing the best job explaining
my point is that there are pain points in git. i dont like it personally. i wish i didnt need to think about branches and merge conflicts and spiraling into these long and elaborate merge tasks when i just want to do something basic like pulling code

[slender urchin]

yeah no need for exec, just if/else with ' ' and v

[harsh anchor]

these problems must exist, though. any version control system has to deal with conflicts

[bright mauve]

if you just want to do this, you can just git clone. otherwise, there's no sidestepping the issue. jj just has you do it differently

[dusk adder]

the difference is when you have to deal with them
in git you need to deal with them asap

[golden mortar]

I'm just saying that if you use feature branches, you don't get that specific issue you brought up where you are forced to resolve a conflict before you can save your work. You can always safely save your work in your feature branch, and only when you are ready to handle a conflict do you need to merge in the main branch.

[harsh swallow]

They were already told that, yet they reposted

[tropic temple]

you could do ```py
z=[" "if v=="."and sum(1for y in[z[x+1],z[x-1],z[x+52],z[x-52]]if y in"# ")>2 else v for x,v in enumerate(z)]

oop actually

it's a little smaller. i forgot the whitespace in the indexing

[rapid bridge]

If you want the latest updates in git, you should git fetch

Git pull is just git fetch, followed by a merge/fast-forward/rebase depending on config

[dusk adder]

i want to see the new pulled code in my repo
i just dont want to deal with merging it rn
does that make sense?

[cerulean ravine]

you can do that, just look at it on main, not on your feature branch.

[rapid bridge]

You can IIRC detach to remote branches

[white knot]

hi

[rapid bridge]

So you could just git switch -d origin/main to get the up to date code (as long as it wouldn't discard your local changes)

Jj is better here in that it just has your local changes automatically

[dusk adder]

that's another thing.. git has a ton of subcommands
like a ton

[tropic temple]

You can compact it here ```py
sum(1for y in[z[x+1],z[x-1],z[x+52],z[x-52]]if y in"# ")>2
sum(y in"# "for y in[z[x+1],z[x-1],z[x+52],z[x-52]])>2

[dusk adder]

ive been using git for years and i still dont understand half of the features

[rapid bridge]

Git is very complex, that is true

I'd be surprised if most experienced git users could run git am first try correctly from memory

[dusk adder]

i think we can do much better than that
i understand why git is so popular, it was just better than what the ancient ones had before
but like... i dont need all that archaic complexity that's very fine-tuned for mailinglists

[rapid bridge]

Well, Kernel devs definitely could

[cerulean ravine]

have you tried jj?

[golden mortar]

They were just talking about it

[dusk adder]

for a while i did, but nobody else uses it so i still use git day-to-day

there's no point being the only one using some version control tool 🤷

[cerulean ravine]

i thought you could use jj on a git repo and no one else you work with needs to use jj?

[rapid bridge]

The key question with jj is whether it'll keep its superiority as it grows more features

[upper dirge]

thanks

[harsh anchor]

how are you a jj user but don't know you can use it with existing git repos

[dusk adder]

you can do that, but i dont like the idea of using different tools than my peers

whenever i work with people i try to use the same tools as they are, it reduces friction

[cerulean ravine]

time to get comfortable with git I guess.

[golden mortar]

I'm all for new innovations, I just want to understand what the problems we're addressing are specifically.

[dusk adder]

im probably not the best person to explain it in all honesty
it just doesnt feel that good to use git, it's complex and has a ton of commands, and a lot of different ways to accomplish the same task
that makes it feel bad for me, if that makes sense

[rapid bridge]

JJ removes the staging area, adjusts defaults in a way that is friendlier to common workflows, and has a more reliable undo. It also makes an effort to make it difficult to lose work

[proud escarp]

i was doing https://learngitbranching.js.org/ so that i can try jj and then appreciate it, ill probably do the second part when im free

[harsh anchor]

git seems terrible until you have to use perforce

[cerulean ravine]

ugh, it was the worst

[golden mortar]

Hm, I can't relate to that personally, but I'm a pretty experienced user at this point. I'm ok with innovations that make tools more accessible to less experienced users as well, even if it doesn't do much for me.

[dusk adder]

i dont doubt that we can have it worse than git 😅

[harsh anchor]

"was"? 😭😭

[cerulean ravine]

for me

[golden mortar]

Maybe it's because I came from CVS and SVN...

[rapid bridge]

It's important to keep in mind that git did beat all version control Software that came before it, yeah

[harsh anchor]

there was a push to switch to git a while back at work. it didn't go anywhere, unfortunately. though some projects are on git, most code is still in p4

[rapid bridge]

You can still use SVN/CVS/...

And generally I think people do agree that git was indeed an improvement

[golden mortar]

git's flexibility can be an advantage as well. I'm still discovering new ways to use it in useful ways even today.

[harsh anchor]

i think git did struggle with very large repos until quite recently with MS's improvements

[dusk adder]

ill freely admit im not some git guru, i have to use google quite a lot to remember what's the name of that one command that lets me selectively stage different parts of a file
it's just that i also dont think i should spend so much time to explore and master this tool, when the only thing i want from it is the ability to remember all my changes, and help me syncrhonize with other people
the fewer errors i see when i do some basic operation, the happier i am

[cerulean ravine]

make a list of the six different things you need to do. Research how to do them, make a cheat sheet (or git aliases). Then move on.

[golden mortar]

In my experience I only need a small subset of features and commands 99+% of the time

And it doesn't take that long to learn those

[proud escarp]

i mean it wont take much time to learn git, try that website i linked earlier
but there's nothing wrong with just using jj yeah

[dusk adder]

it always takes time to learn something

[golden mortar]

And if I ever need something more complex, I usually write shellscripts to make it easier to use

[cerulean ravine]

yes, but it will be worth it.

[cerulean ravine]

don't be like the person that comes here and just says "Python is too advanced for me! 🙁 "

[proud escarp]

prob more than you think, i would be so happy if you tried that website and then told me how you felt

that website really made things click for me

[dusk adder]

it is worth it, but only because it's the tool that everyone uses. it's not something i want to learn, it's something i have to learn
i would probably be happiest if git was just less annoying, but it is what it is

[dusk adder]

there's a lot of sites like it
like this one for example: https://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/

[proud escarp]

cool but have you tried THAT one though

(okay im done preaching the gospel)

[golden mortar]

I think a lot of things feel more frustrating and annoying the less well you understand them.

[dusk adder]

no, i dont like the design and levels and whatnot
i dont want to gamify it

[proud escarp]

crazy

[dusk adder]

no offense but playing a git game is not how i want to spend my time learning something

also - i hate modals
these popup windows that darken the rest of the screen and just wont go away until i click that one specific button
ugh, please webdevs stop doing this

at least make it so clicking outside the modal closes it

[white knot]

modals are for UX right

[peak relic]

educational games are a thing tho

[white knot]

it should go, when we click elsewhere

[dusk adder]

theyre usually worse than normal games and normal learning materials

worst of all worlds

[slender urchin]

That's how are normal modal works

[dusk adder]

it's not how it works in quite a few websites ive visited
it's how it should work

[bronze dragon]

I'm reading through Beej's Guide to Git right now, and I think you might like it. All textual, no gamification.

[cedar shell]

yo i kinda need some projects to land a job.. anyone interested in collaborating?

[peak relic]

have you made anything recently?

[dusk adder]

that's neat, i might go ahead and just read that actually

i like clean websites

[cedar shell]

i made a scraper recently but im still a bit rusty to be completely honest.

[peak relic]

what do you plan on making for the next project?

[cedar shell]

was thinking on an API with fastAPI and then some AI functionality (which I have no experience on)

[dusk adder]

do you pythoneers actually share python files nowadays?
i remember there was a time when sending someone a single .py file that does whatever was common practice
it seems the standard way people share code now is packages

[golden mortar]

For what purpose?

[visual juniper]

if its a quick script , i dont think anyone makes it into a package to send it
its fine to just send the .py file imo

[white knot]

gemini flash has an api that allows like 2000 requests per hr or so

for free

[dusk adder]

both for scripts and as libraries
one file libraries went out of fashion

[golden mortar]

Like if I wrote a script and someone else wants to use it?

[slender urchin]

depends on the size

I don't do python much profressionally, but when I do it's short one file scripts

[dreamy parrot]

GitHub repositories or gists
depending on the use case, package it and upload to pypi

[tropic temple]

ngl im immediately sus of anyone that just gives me a random .py fille

upload it to gists or something

[golden mortar]

If I just want to make a quick script I wrote available to other people, I'd put it on Github

[white knot]

put in pypy

[golden mortar]

Could be in a repo or in a gist

[white knot]

its easy?

[half pewter]

wooo 25hour loonies

[cedar shell]

Made a Real Estate website scraper, was thinking on a CRM or data pipeline project now (pdf reports > database > data viz )

[cedar shell]

thanks

[dusk adder]

that was a common thing back in the day
before github was a thing

you could also send a zip with a directory, and treat it as a big script with __init__.py
it was all seemingly geared towards that idea of sharing code

[golden mortar]

If it's a multi-file project I'd make a repo. And I guess if the number of users started to scale up I'd consider putting it on pypi.

[dreamy parrot]

formatting it as a package is a little complex, but after that uploading to pypi is easy
https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/tutorials/packaging-projects/ explains it

[golden mortar]

But that never happened so far.

[white knot]

👍

[dusk adder]

i think distribution utilities only became a thing in like 2005 or something

[peak relic]

I only know 1 project that shares a python file https://github.com/9001/copyparty and its pretty cool

[dreamy parrot]

how back in the day are we talking & through what would you send the file from?

[dusk adder]

like 90s to early 2000

[peak relic]

Alrighty

[visual juniper]

so when internet wasnt a thing like it is today

[dusk adder]

yes and github didnt exist

so sharing code was very different

[visual juniper]

i would assume almost everything was done differently in those days

because interenet wasnt as big and vast as it is now

so it would make sense that people only shared what was required

[dusk adder]

pip didnt exist either back then

[peak relic]

So filezilla into some common sftp prolly

[spice hill]

Some projects put stuff into a single Python file with the expectation that you just vendor it into your project. For example https://github.com/bottlepy/bottle

[peak relic]

oh wait... CDs was a thing

[visual juniper]

"where is my python program"
"i already shipped it through speedpost"

[dusk adder]

that's neat
i always liked that concept because of how clean it looks

[dreamy parrot]

a file with thousands of lines isn't very clean imo

[dusk adder]

i think it is

it's a thing in C world too

[peak relic]

ah so its like copyparty. nice

[visual juniper]

now watch them come to the conclusion of "it depends"

[visual juniper]

?

[dusk adder]

single-file C codes are pretty epic 😎
none of that make nonsense

[dreamy parrot]

C and the C world are very far from my notion of 'clean'

[visual juniper]

there is a reason why tools like make exists

[dusk adder]

i recall using a single-file GUI library in C and it was great

[visual juniper]

you can still do unity builds though , thats a thing

[dusk adder]

yes but make is just dreadful

i dont wish my greatest enemies to waddle through the make soup

[spice hill]

As much as vendoring seems cool, if it's a non-trivial project, you lose all the upsides of modern dependency management. Like getting an alert if the library you're using has a vulnerability you should patch

[visual juniper]

i mean with C/C++ , everything sucks

cmake seems to suck the least though , people like it

[bronze dragon]

I've seen many people complain about CMake lol
I haven't had a chance to try meson yet though

[restive marlin]

Need an email provider ASAP need to migrate 50 domains, any ideas

In talks with PurelyMail and Mailgun but need a quicker process

[dusk adder]

have you seen this one? https://github.com/JimmyLefevre/kb
it's quite surprising how much work you can do in a single file even for non-trivial projects

[peak relic]

Just transactional emails like [e-mail] or does it also include user emails like [e-mail]?

[restive marlin]

Purely transactional

[peak relic]

I like Resend.com

[restive marlin]

Do they have a lengthy review process?

[peak relic]

Not sure what the review process is for. Just hook your domain in, create an API key and you're set (sorta, still need to develop for Resend API)

[restive marlin]

No SMTP relay?

[peak relic]

Why would you need a SMTP relay?

Its really straightforward https://resend.com/docs/send-with-python

[restive marlin]

Will keep this in mind thank you

[finite sigil]

Newbie quesion.... If there is a red circle with a "1" inside it in another channel, how do I find that message for me?

[bronze dragon]

you can click the "Inbox" on the top-right of your Discord, then "Mentions"

[rugged star]

you can go to the search bar and press mentions and fill out your name like mentions:_.steel._

[craggy trench]

there's also the bell icon on the channels/servers page in mobile

[finite sigil]

I;m on desktop

[finite sigil]

Thanks

[finite sigil]

Thanks

Turns out it was just more insults, so I guess I didn't miss much

[slender urchin]

This square with the red buble

[finite sigil]

But at least now I won't miss insults when I am away!! 😉

And how do I give a thumbs up to a message - or can you not do that on this server?

[finite sigil]

Thanks

[slender urchin]

disabled in this channel because of spam bots

[finite sigil]

A-ha

Thanks for the help everyone

[restive marlin]

Have you ever dealt with Amazon SES for transactional emails

[velvet hull]

Hi

[lusty reef]

Why in the world did I choose audio transcription/anything audio related as part of a first project lmao

holy hell this is a brainfuck

[pallid garden]

well there's ya problem

you should be writing python instead

[mossy sigil]

is there a discord server for discussing AI/ML which is as active as this?

[pallid garden]

they might both be programming languages but brainfuck is significantly worse

[pallid garden]

||pydis||

[mossy sigil]

thank you!

[pallid garden]

its a joke

[lusty reef]

I hate using chatgpt to help guide me through things but its quicker than asking questions in places that nobody answers lol

[pallid garden]

pydis is python discord

[mossy sigil]

i got it now 😂

[pallid garden]

what's your question

[lusty reef]

don't really have a specific one atm, havent messed with this stuff in a bit.

[mossy sigil]

what's the most reputed subfield in AI? as in hard and reputable to publish in?

[lusty reef]

What I'm trying to accomplish though is even a basic working AI assistant, which I had working for a moment but it was giving me phantom transcriptions

i worked on adding webrtcvad and it muffed everything up, ended up losing the code I had before out of frustration

[pallid garden]

sounds difficult

[harsh anchor]

how to you even measure that?

[pallid garden]

maybe you should try something so the difficulty curve is not that steep

[lusty reef]

that would bore me to pieces making things that i have no use for/interest in, tbh

[mossy sigil]

i'm not sure, i'm not even in the AI field. i could give an example: like algebraic geometry considered terse in math.

[lusty reef]

id lose interest in even trying at that point

[cold bronze]

Hello all :) I'm having a bit of an issue with incremental names, I have a list of names:

basename > basename_01
basename.001 > basename_02
basename.002 > basename_03
and so on...

this is the end result I'm trying to achieve, but i have no clue how to approach it

[harsh anchor]

filenames?

[pallid garden]

why does basename.001 get turned into basename_02?

[bronze dragon]

because basename gets that spot

[cold bronze]

its names in blender, with anything, if theres a duplicate of an object, it adds .00N and goes up but .001 is the second object not the first

[cold bronze]

exactly :)

[pallid garden]

...i was trying to guide them

[harsh anchor]

[bronze dragon]

oh sorry lol

[cold bronze]

Hmm

[pallid garden]

i see

what does basename.012 get mapped to

[cold bronze]

basename_13

[pallid garden]

why?

[cold bronze]

because its the numbers + 1

[pallid garden]

how did you get 12 from basename.012

which part of the filename did you look at to get the number

how did you tell that it is part of the number sequence and not the filename

[cold bronze]

the suffix!

[pallid garden]

how do you tell which part is the suffix

[cold bronze]

anything after the .

[pallid garden]

ok...

how do you do that

in code

you can google

[cold bronze]

oh ok ok

[pallid garden]

"how to split string at character python"

[dim pagoda]

What can i do with beatifulSoup

[pastel sluice]

@pallid garden you can also use pathlib to get the parts of a filename (cross-platform)

[cold bronze]

so using .split(".")? :o

[pallid garden]

ok...

so, 012 is a string of characters

and 12 is a number

[cold bronze]

ohhhh

[pallid garden]

how do you turn a string of characters into a number

[astral patrol]

Hii

[pastel sluice]

int(), typically

[pallid garden]

come on

im trying to guide them

[pastel sluice]

sorry, I misread the context

[proud escarp]

hiii

[pastel sluice]

(my window was only showing me the last couple of msgs)

[pallid garden]

anyway, now that we got our 12

[cold bronze]

so i take the string and use int()!

[pallid garden]

@cold bronze how do you turn 13 into basename_13

[bronze dragon]

The Socratic Method vs pydis' will to answer every question it can

[pastel sluice]

And some kind of help is the kind of help ... we can all do without

[steep gyro]

Are expressions and operations same things?

[proud escarp]

binary operations are expressions in Python
binary operations as in operations that have two operands and one operator

actually, all operand based operations are expressions in Python

[hollow citrus]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py", line 9, in <module>
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^
File "C:\Users\liebe\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python314\Lib\pathlib_init_.py", line 836, in iterdir
with os.scandir(root_dir) as scandir_it:
~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^
NotADirectoryError: [WinError 267] The directory name is invalid: 'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py'

can someone help me understand whats wrong

[pallid garden]

what does the last line say

[cold bronze]

basename + "_" + int(13)?

[pallid garden]

good

[hollow citrus]

smth to do with my directory

[pallid garden]

earlier we used split to get the basename as a component of the filename right, with the suffix number as the other component

so we can use basename

[steep gyro]

I am not able to understand first two points?

[cold bronze]

ahhhh!

[pallid garden]

well, whats the error

[hollow citrus]

NotADirectoryError: [WinError 267] The directory name is invalid: 'C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py'
smth to do with this i think

[pallid garden]

what does it say

read it aloud

[hollow citrus]

notadirectoryerror

[pallid garden]

ok...

[hollow citrus]

😭

[pallid garden]

and?

[hollow citrus]

the name is invalid

[pallid garden]

there's still more

[pallid garden]

so?

why is the name invalid?

[hollow citrus]

C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py idk why its getting rid of \ in my messages

[cerulean ravine]

sometimes errors are slightly misleading. the clues are all there though

[cerulean ravine]

that's not the problem.

[hollow citrus]

oh

[cerulean ravine]

you said "the name is invalid". there was another word there.

[steep gyro]

In python are expressesions and operations the same thing?

[hollow citrus]

The directory name is invalid:

[cerulean ravine]

"directory"

[hollow citrus]

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py", line 13, in <module>
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^ smth wrong here

[proud escarp]

so binary means two, right?
in maths, and in python, a "binary operation" is an operation involving two operands (basically, variables) and one operator (like +, -, *, /)

so an example of a binary operation would be: 1 + 2 or 3 * 4
there are also unary operations like -1 where - is the operator and 1 is the operand

an "expression" is just something that evaluates to something, think of it as things that can be assigned to a variable
x = 5 + 2, the 5 + 2 is an expression

but x = return 5 wouldnt work because return 5 is not an expression

[cerulean ravine]

is C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\main.py a directory?

[hollow citrus]

no

oh i see the problem

[pallid garden]

you'd be surprised how good python's error messages are once you see other languages

[steep gyro]

Understood thanks.

[cerulean ravine]

"invalid" there seems misleading to me

[hollow citrus]

but i still want to be able to cd on it shouldnt i? or should i leave it like this

Enter a folder name: ls_project
ls
.idea
.venv
main.py
programming

without trying to cd now into .idea .venv

[pallid garden]

there are some languages with errors which are completely indecipherable

[hollow citrus]

should i leave it like this or try to workarund not cd on main.py

[pallid garden]

...i think perhaps habitually i see this as normal, but someone else might not

[bronze dragon]

What would it mean to cd into a file?

[hollow citrus]

call direct-

to lazy to finish the sentence xd

[pallid garden]

opening a file is very different from changing to a directory, despite both of them being a double click in the GUI

[bronze dragon]

wdym?

[hollow citrus]

PS C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project> cd .venv
PS C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project.venv> cd
PS C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project.venv> cd
PS C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project.venv> ls

Directory: C:\Users\liebe\OneDrive\programming\ls_project\.venv

just tryna do smth like this

[cold bronze]

I think I figured it out!

name = "basename.001"    

basename = name.split(".")[0]
suffix = name.split(".")[1]

newsuffix = int(suffix) + 1

newname = basename + "_" + str(newsuffix) 

[ruby sable]

is brocode good for python?

[pallid garden]

eventually you will get the hang of how to break down your own thought process and it will become second nature to you

[hollow citrus]

else:
for file_or_dir in current_folder.iterdir():
if file_or_dir.is_dir():
for file in file_or_dir.iterdir():
print(file.name)
else:
print("Not a directory")
figured it out

[cold bronze]

Thank you for your help and patience :) I'm still new to python but it makes sense now

[hollow citrus]

no more errors only focuses on my directs

[robust ledge]

If it gets you writing your own code and making your own mistakes, yes!

[pallid garden]

keep it up!

[ruby sable]

never tried him and idk who should i watch

[cold bronze]

Will do!

[bronze dragon]

but does it work for plain "basename"?

[cold bronze]

I was about to ask :P since the base name has no second component, i wanted to check if its None, but it returns an error

[pallid garden]

i think they know how to branch with if?

[pallid garden]

nvm

umm so this is a special case right?

when there is no suffix and no .

[cold bronze]

yeah!

[pallid garden]

there are a few ways to solve this

[hollow citrus]

Enter a folder name: programming
ls_project
.idea
.venv
main.py

im almost done my cd/ls program yippe

[bronze dragon]

@cold bronze question, can the basename ever have an extension of its own? like image.jpg.001 etc

[cold bronze]

It could have side suffix, meaning "basename.L" for left, and .R for right

[bronze dragon]

and then you'd have basename.L.001, basename.R.001, and so on?

[cold bronze]

yes exactly

[cold bronze]

So i'd have to check with an if statement

[pallid garden]

the numbering is always the last segment right?

[cold bronze]

yes!

[pallid garden]

how do you get the last segment of a list?

[cold bronze]

[-1]?

cause its an index

[pallid garden]

yup

[velvet hull]

Whats #black-formatter

[cold bronze]

so i can check if the last element is an integer!

[pallid garden]

damn, you learn fast

[cold bronze]

haha thank you :) I'm glad

[ruby sable]

is brocode good for python?

[pallid garden]

try corey schafer instead

[bronze dragon]

A formatter for Python code

[ruby sable]

why tho

[harsh anchor]

no

[subtle coyote]

how would you check?

[ruby sable]

why

[cold bronze]

So i can use isinstance to check its type right?

[hollow citrus]

on line 17 i do current_folder = Path(current_folder) / split_ls_cd[1]

and on line 8 i have

current_folder = Path(origin_folder) / location

it will overwrite line 8 right the variable(thats what i want it to do)

[subtle coyote]

or if type(x) == int

[pallid garden]

not in this case

[bronze dragon]

No

[cold bronze]

ahh ok

[subtle coyote]

type

[pallid garden]

when you split the filename, each segment is a string right?

[harsh anchor]

just not good

[pallid garden]

they are not integers yet

[bronze dragon]

What do you expect isinstance("001", int) to give you?

[ruby sable]

and what would u recommend

[cold bronze]

an error i assume 😅

or false

[subtle coyote]

try it

[cold bronze]

cause its a string

[pallid garden]

we think brocode encourages people to copy code instead of understand what the code does

[ruby sable]

hmm fair

[harsh anchor]

why would you say "we"

[subtle coyote]

its an organization of a bunch of ppl

[pallid garden]

the evidence being people coming into this server having copied the code incorrectly and not being able to understand the error they are getting

[ruby sable]

is python THAT hard?

[pallid garden]

no, but finding a good teacher is

[cold bronze]

so I'd have to convert it into an int first, but when i try to do that with a string it returns an error

[bronze dragon]

What do you mean by "that"?

[ruby sable]

my school teacher is ass

[zealous lion]

I think copying code is just a stage of learning. I certainly had a copying phase when I was starting out

[harsh anchor]

real

[pallid garden]

i copied code, and then toyed with them to see what happens when i change something

[subtle coyote]

loot of code? or just small snippets

[ruby sable]

when did u start learning

[pallid garden]

start of 2014

[zealous lion]

yeah, me too

[harsh anchor]

damn

[pallid garden]

i don't think most people tinker with the code though

[zealous lion]

sometimes small sometimes large. it was whatever I could find ig

[subtle coyote]

what do you think you've learned from this?

[harsh anchor]

yes, so you know that if it succeeds, it's an int, and if it errors, it's not

[pallid garden]

tinkerers tend to have an easier time with code

[clever iris]

Does anyone here know if it’s possible to look at like TikTok’s http request and see why they’re giving an error message for something specific in the app?

[zealous lion]

depends on what you count as “tinkering”. beginners can tinker by changing formatting, variable names, or string content, and that usually feels pretty rewarding

[subtle coyote]

yeah my friend was changing box size pos color..

[pallid garden]

do they do that by themslves?

[subtle coyote]

dk if he was learning anything tho

[frosty oriole]

Maybe. But usually you can’t do anything about it

[velvet hull]

Ahats a formatter

[zealous lion]

I found that I really liked the feeling of building something and seeing it work. for me, copying code was more about finding the passion rather than learning it

[subtle coyote]

interesting

[clever iris]

It’s for an event they’re doing , they require you to invite a new user but it only works 50/50 of the time for me so I was trying to see why some phones get the error and some work, was hoping to know if it could spit out some useful account information