python-discussion

[shrewd pine]

the solution to this problem is to not do it

[rare gazelle]

so how would u cache whatever u want to cache

create a list or a dictionary for 1 item?

[pastel sluice]

that raises a question: why cache in the first place?

[rare gazelle]

i dont like the unique as a decorator though

but i do like the:

class a:
  b = unique(1)

way

[dusk fern]

bruh how i can make a key that is identical if its
a,b
or
b,a
🤔 beside using a set or sorting tuple

[rare gazelle]

what u mean

[shrewd pine]

what's the problem with sorting?

[rare gazelle]

whats the probblem with set

(frozenset in that case)

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1441467212631248896
any feedback is welcomed

[gleaming knoll]

you need some way to know they are equal / order them, so why not set or sorting?

[rare gazelle]

if order doesn't matter its a set

equal but different order -> set

[dry pike]

at mtn

[fossil steeple]

how would i get a microbit to communicate with a pico w

[rare gazelle]

hi jay whatsup

[dry pike]

challenge

smh my head

[rare gazelle]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1441467212631248896

[dry pike]

that's it?

[rare gazelle]

no but help me with it

[dry pike]

i don't understand the problem description

[wind escarp]

Anyone having problems with Selenium after the chrome driver update?

it sometimes works, sometimes doesnt

[rare gazelle]

class a:
    b = 1

a.b = 2

print(a.b)  # prints 2

class c(a):
    ...

print(c.b)  # prints 2

the idea is that to make a.b be 2, but after subclassing a, it'd be the initial value (1)

so i came up with a function named unique, which is abusing set_name

it'd a descriptor

[dry pike]

what's set name again?

[rare gazelle]

set name is getting the class and the name of the variable after the class' creation

[gleaming knoll]

in class Cls, name = descriptor does type(descriptor).__set_name__(descriptor, Cls, "name")

[rare gazelle]

after class' creation^

[gleaming knoll]

i mean, yeah, Cls has to exist to be passed

[rare gazelle]

yes

thats the information i've used in order to abuse it

[gleaming knoll]

class dict2[K, V]:
  def __init__(self) -> None:
    self.d: dict[tuple[K, K], V] = {}
  def __getitem__(self, k: tuple[K, K]) -> V:
    d = self.d
    if k in d: return d[k]
    return d[(k[1], k[0])]
  def __setitem__(self, k: tuple[K, K], v: V) -> None:
    d = self.d
    if k in d:
      d[k] = v
      return
    d[(k[1], k[0])] = v

could do something like this, i guess
not sorting the tuple, just trying both orders

[rare gazelle]

that at set_name the class exists

so i can change it in whatever way i want to

(and i also know the value of the name)

so basically i have everything

and set_name would likely not run more than once so, its not effecting the afterwards usage

kind of interesting the ways u can use set_name

[steady magnet]

Im new to python :3

[cunning cove]

Spent over an hour working on a metaclass so I could avoid having to change every subclass.
Only problem is that using the metaclass requires that I change every subclass.

[charred python]

libcst to the rescue

[cunning cove]

The issue is more that I picked the wrong solution to the problem I had :P

I didn't need a metaclass and it's not really adding enough value to justify its existence. The value add being automagic attributes without having to change how the user interacts with the subclasses

And I don't like this class in the first place so I should really be doing the minimum needed to add the functionality I need

[autumn forge]

yeah, metaclasses are rarely the way

[cunning cove]

How detailed do I want to get :P
The subclasses have attributes and types associated with those attributes.

class Base:
  Types: dict[str, type]
class Foo(Base):
  Foo = "foo"
  Types = {Foo: str}

Now maybe this is a crime in itself. That aside, the things that bugged me and prompted me to reach for metaclass are that the associated types are separate from the declaration of the attribute, adding a new attribute in the subclass requires updating a separate part of the class, and adding an attribute in Base would mean that every subclass now needs to know what Base did so it can manually add to the Type dictionary.
My thought was to have Base derive from a metaclass so that it can generate that dictionary.

And by doing that, it would let the derived class define the attribute and associated type together

class Foo(Base):
  Foo = ("foo", str)

[acoustic spear]

hi

[autumn forge]

!e what about type annotations? ```py
class Foo:
Foo: str = 'foo'
print(Foo.annotations)
import typing
print(typing.get_type_hints(Foo))

[edgy kraken]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | {'Foo': <class 'str'>}
002 | {'Foo': <class 'str'>}

[cunning cove]

I picked a bad example, it's not saying that Foo is of type str but that if you wanted to create a Foo, you would create a str. This would be just as valid

class Bar(Base):
  Bar = "bar"
  Types = {Bar: int}

bar = Bar.Types("bar")() # bar: int

It's basically a factory.

[autumn forge]

ah, I see

[fossil steeple]

is there anyway to get a microbit to communicate with a pico w wirelessly

[cunning cove]

The actual types would be message types, so the point of this class is to determine how to unpack that message.

[autumn forge]

I suppose that's why the attribute has the same name as the class then?

[cunning cove]

That's because I'm lazy :P

[autumn forge]

ah lol

[crude prawn]

Hello Guys my name is alon and am trying to learn def thing is python i dont really get it is there someone can help me?

[smoky forge]

what are you stuck on

[cunning cove]

Slightly more complicated example

class Messages(MessageBase):
  Status = "status"
  Request = "Request"
  Types = {Status: StatusMessage, Request: RequestMessage}

[smoky forge]

the whole thing or just a small part

[crude prawn]

def user(name): print(f"hello {name}") print(f"hello {name} What is your server?") input = "My server is alon" user("user")

[cunning cove]

I'm also not using the exact naming scheme here, it was just enough to make the point I wanted to make. I know that removing context makes it harder to understand these things :P

[crude prawn]

How do i actully tell him that there is speffic server that his allowed to pass

I dont want the stright answers since i could ask GPT but i want the way of how doing it

[primal niche]

How do you guys train your python?

like what test projects you'd do to improve yourself in python?

[harsh anchor]

have you learned about if statements?

[crude prawn]

I was telling you and home party people invite
do a list of people names and tell who allowd and who is not that really nice

[dusty mountain]

def linear_search(x, l):
    for i in l:
        if i == x:
            return l.index(i)

can you call this a linear search algorithm? i got into a big argument with my cs teacher because she said it is

[crude prawn]

hmmm Like if user =! print("true")

Smth like that?

Not really if you asking me

[hasty island]

I guess it's still linear search, just..... twice, and while not wrong wrong, still wrong

[primal niche]

,_,?

[hasty island]

also why would you write linear search as a function in the first place if you are allowed to use .index

[dusty mountain]

our cs teacher isnt very good at her job

in an exam once she gave a predict the output question and the snippet had an error so i put down error as the answer
she didnt give me the mark because she didnt mean to put the error there

[hasty island]

okay mine was bad but not to that extent 😭

nothing you can do about it

also which books are you guys using? (please tell me it's anything other than the sumita arora ones)

[dusty mountain]

sumita arora 🤗

[gleaming knoll]

is that some local indian teaching books
known to be bad but still used

[frosty oriole]

you probably should have written down what the output shouldve been

[dusty mountain]

it was an mcq and error was one of the options

[harsh anchor]

oof

[harsh anchor]

what would you call it?

[dusty mountain]

i dont even know

[harsh anchor]

would you say that it is searching. perhaps in a linear manner

[ionic bluff]

i would

[hasty island]

it's not egregiously bad but still enough stuff that is wrong/wrong-adjacent enough times for me to hate them

[dusty mountain]

no because his algorithm itself isnt doing the searching

.index is doing the searching

[hasty island]

I mean both of them are doing the searching

[harsh anchor]

what about the for loop

[dusty mountain]

its redundant

[bright mauve]

the algorithm is indeed searching for when i == x

[tall vector]

It's a (bad) linear search algorithm

[hasty island]

yes, but if you wanna get into time complexity it's still O(n) - so in that sense it's still linear

[tall vector]

It does redundant work but it still searches linearly

[dusty mountain]

sure but the context here is that shes introducing what a linear search algorithm looks like

claiming that that is a correct implementation of linear search is misleading

[tall vector]

It's shit teaching for sure, but not necessarily wrong per se

[hasty island]

^ again, not wrong wrong, but still... wrong

[bright mauve]

what do you mean by "correct implementation"? it is a search algorithm, it is linear in asymptotic complexity, and the code will run and work

[dusty mountain]

its not the standard definition of a linear search

[bright mauve]

why not?

[dusty mountain]

the standard includes going through each position and return the current position when the elem is found

[harsh anchor]

isn't it?

[bright mauve]

is that not what the code is doing?

[dusty mountain]

its going through each element rather than each position

[hasty island]

same difference

[bright mauve]

that is a trivial distinction tbh, and in python you would rarely ever go through each position

[hasty island]

I feel like we're getting dragged into the wrong topic, bottom line is,
you're wrong because it still counts as linear search - all it needs to do search, and be linear - both of which it does
and the teacher probably should not use this as an example for the reason than .index itself is a linear search

[bright mauve]

in fact, going through each position is often considered an antipattern in python

what the teacher is showing is a poor linear search, but a linear search nonetheless

that python lets you do for x in my_list instead of for i in range(len(my_list)) has nothing to do with it being a linear search or not

[harsh anchor]

position is certainly not correct, though. you can linear search things that don't even have positions

[dusty mountain]

fair enough

[bright mauve]

linear search only means you're comparing each item in a collection one at a time. how exactly you do that is a separate thing

[harsh anchor]

it is incredibly vague. you just need to search linearly

[bright mauve]

better to distinguish abstractions from concrete implementations now, because you'll bump against this wall again when distinguishing abstract data classes vs data structures

cuz it just so happens python's list is also a stack

better hide from the popo

[hasty island]

collections.deque crying in the corner

[gilded mirage]

y = x satisfies y = mx + b

It's called a linear search because the worst case complexity makes a line if you graph it.

[hasty island]

satisfies is the wrong term here

[gilded mirage]

well, whatever the right term is

[bright mauve]

i mean

it satisfies y = mx + b for m = 1 and b = 0

[gilded mirage]

yeah, that's what I mean.

[cerulean ravine]

this is one of those etymologies that might be hard to verify. I always thought it was called linear because you're walking down the line looking for the thing you want.

[tough wigeon]

hello

i m russian and i need help with my project

[bright mauve]

you can ask short questions here if you like, or if the questions are more involved, go ahead and open up a help channel

[tough wigeon]

i have problem with enum object

[bright mauve]

what problem are you having?

[tough wigeon]

second....

[finite rose]

You can also post a question in #1035199133436354600

[wary lily]

i made something kinda cool

x = input('input string' ).
Left_charactors = 'bgtrfvedewsxzaq'
right_charactors = nhyujmkiolp'
lcounter = 0
rcounter = 0
space_charactors =
scounter = 6
for ch in x:
if ch in right charactors:
rcounter += 1.:
elif ch in space charactors:
scounter += 1
elif chin left_charactors:
lcounter += 1
print(Left:", {lcounter), "right:, (rcounter}, 'spaces:" , {scounter})

i don’t like the spacing but it works how i want it to work

[south bison]

i’m trying to learn how to use manim but my internet is so bad and i can’t install anything

[tough wigeon]

check Python help please

[charred tusk]

With Pydantic, can I have an optional SecretStr?
Right now, I have to do client_secret: SecretStr = "", which will default to empty string if the value isn't present in the environment.
Which is.... finne, because I can still do if == "": raise "not present".
But I'd really like to have an explicit qualifier for if it's there or not.

[harsh anchor]

you should find a dataset of words and find which contain only left characters or only right characters

[jagged belfry]

Tried phone tethering?

[south bison]

yeah, it’s even worse

[tough tapir]

What should I automate?

[coarse salmon]

everything

[gleaming knoll]

that'd mean everything is boring stuff

[pastel sluice]

Automate The Stuffy Bores With Python

(That's the punchline, someone quick think of a joke)

[gleaming knoll]

i mean that is not inherently wrong

is there anything that does not become boring once you repeat it enough

[gleaming marten]

😌

[ionic bluff]

maybe dying...

[hasty island]

see: groundhog day or similar

[gleaming knoll]

or well atleast everything automatable, depending on how you interpret it

[stray field]

They do say to try everything once.

[ionic bluff]

dying in a movie im sure gets boring.

[gleaming knoll]

dying is at the end of my to-do list

[stable narwhal]

"let us C" flashbacks

[gleaming knoll]

funny thing to say as someone who deals with issues by saying "i want to kms"

[stray field]

Same as Voldemort.

[hasty island]

you should change it to a to-do dict for efficiency 😉

[ionic bluff]

funny

[hasty island]

.....okay that makes a lot of sense

I first learnt C from that (my dad had an old copy lying around)

[gleaming knoll]

linked todo-list lets goo

[stable narwhal]

😬

[hasty island]

and I low-key hated C until my C prof in uni changed my mind about it

[ionic bluff]

any to-do list should be a 2d array... everyone knows that.

[stray field]

Please complete this task to view the next.

[gleaming knoll]

lowkey good
removes the need for me too choose, i always struggle with that

[hasty island]

and it just clicked that it might be the book and not just a skill issue 💀

[gleaming knoll]

the crushing weight of 2 manageable tasks

[stray field]

Eventually, you'll do enough tasks and you'll reach the last one: "die"

reminds me of the stanley parable

[ionic bluff]

lowkey good?

damn meant to reply to the last one:die.

oh well you get the joke

[gleaming knoll]

the difficulty of a sequence of tasks is definitely not a sum

[sharp jackal]

Hello folks! I have just released a new library vargula: https://pypi.org/project/vargula/

[visual juniper]

its not uncommon to see actual univerisity CS teachers teaching C89 on TurboC in a CS course about C 😂

[sharp jackal]

Vargula let's you achieve terminal text formatting while being minimalistic...

[gleaming knoll]

looks like a small rich, nice

[hasty island]

the readme could probably use a bit of a nerf in explaining things, kinda drags on too long, and maybe a couple screenshots, but looks neat

[sharp jackal]

Hmm... yeah! I def should add screenshots...

[hasty island]

(also you commited dist/ to the git repo)

[sharp jackal]

Here's a sample code snippet!

print("Code Diff Highlighting\n")
vg.create("added", color="#00ff88", bg="#003322")
vg.create("removed", color="#ff4444", bg="#330000")
vg.create("modified", color="#ffaa00", bg="#332200")

diff_lines = [
    ("  ", "def calculate_total(items):"),
    ("-", "    total = 0"),
    ("+", "    total = Decimal('0.00')"),
    ("  ", "    for item in items:"),
    ("-", "        total += item.price"),
    ("+", "        total += Decimal(str(item.price))"),
    ("  ", "    return total"),
]

for marker, line in diff_lines:
    if marker == "+":
        print(vg.format(f"<added>{marker} {line}</added>"))
    elif marker == "-":
        print(vg.format(f"<removed>{marker} {line}</removed>"))
    else:
        print(f"{marker} {line}")

[sharp jackal]

Oh! Thanks for letting me know!!!

[sharp jackal]

Fixed!

[stray field]

git is forever

now every time you clone, you'll have to download those files.

[hasty island]

amend and force push ftw /hj

[charred tusk]

Why did you cross out the popular strat??

Does this function being async matter at all?

async def _build_order_data(
    po_number: str,
    items: dict[str, int],
) -> dict:
    payload = {
        "poNumber": po_number,
        "lines": [],
    }

    for gtin, quantity in items.items():
        payload["lines"].append({"identifier": gtin, "qty": quantity})

    return payload

[gleaming knoll]

no
well, it will make it return a coroutine, but there's no need for it to be async
unless the way its commonly used is to pass to something expecting a coroutine, maybe?

[jagged belfry]

Technically no. Practically, async means all the callsites will have await and changing that might be complicated or annoying. Additionally, asyncio will taskswitch on async functions, so if you have a loop and this is the only async function in it that becomes a locking loop instaed of a yielding loop for however long it runs.

I expect whoever wrote it expected to have to do async calls in it and htat's why it is the way it is

[charred tusk]

(I wrote it)

[jagged belfry]

I figured :P

Well.. did you?

[charred tusk]

I did not expect it to do async stuff, but I did expect the parent to do so

payload = await _build_order_data(po_number, items)
response = await client.post(
  "/orders",
  json=payload,
)

If I have one async function is there any reason not to just commit and go all the way in?

Does picking and choosing help me at all?

[jagged belfry]

It indicates whether a function makes api calls or not

_build_order_data() can be assumed to return quickly. await _build_order_data() can be assumed to potentially not

A good rule of thumb is to keep your async organized instead of painting everything the same color

[coarse salmon]

nitpick but i feel like this doesnt have to return a dict since you have a static amount of unique fields

could just make it a dataclass

[jagged belfry]

honestly it's just awkward to async() everything. It's also important because async points are yield points, so some functions you may not want to yield during their execution, and thus shouldn't be async

[desert atlas]

some one want to build a startup I m a novice programer and I want to create a big proyects whith other pepole

[charred tusk]

But... I don't want my codebase to look like my son attempted camo again

[harsh anchor]

why would someone make a startup with a novice

[coarse salmon]

^

your focus should be improving your skills, not making money

[jagged belfry]

Unfortunately, your behavior looks like camo, so your codebase will look like camo

[desert atlas]

i want to learn whit other novice , I learn very fast , I learnded de basic in 2 weeks

[jagged belfry]

A well organized codebase won't look like camo : )

[charred tusk]

uwotm8

async def main() -> None:
    """Submit orders from a CSV file to S&S Activewear."""
    pos = _parse_pos_csv()
    total = len(pos)
    for index, (po_number, items) in enumerate(pos, start=1):
        print(f"{index} of {total}: submitting PO {po_number}")  # noqa: T201
        if Path(f"pos/{po_number}-request.json").exists():
            print(f"Skipping {po_number}, already submitted")  # noqa: T201
            continue

        payload = await _build_order_data(po_number, items)
        response = await client.post(
            "/orders",
            json=payload,
        )

        Path(f"pos/{po_number}-request.json").write_text(json.dumps(payload, indent=4))
        Path(f"pos/{po_number}-response.json").write_text(json.dumps(response.json(), indent=4))

        await asyncio.sleep(2)

what do you even want me to do different

oh I just told my boss I wasn't sleeping here

Oops

[jagged belfry]

lol

Maybe you should noqa T201 on the entire function, since it's supposed to give output

Yeah looking at this

payload = await _build_order_data(po_number, items) make it non-async

It's just a simple transformation

could be done inplace imo but maybe that makes sense for elsewhere

[rugged star]

just a q why both dumping req and res in json ? like what is the benefit

[jagged belfry]

logging

[rugged star]

aaahhhh okok

[jagged belfry]

If it's an external API

It's good to have exact records of what you sent and received

because companies like playing fuckfuck games

[rugged star]

true

[desert atlas]

some one want to build a startup I m a novice programer and I want to create a big proyects whith other pepole

[jagged belfry]

"I got a 500 error"

"No you didn't"

And now you get to slog through six billion requests looking for which one broke their stupid api

It's cleaner to only store start and end states, but if you have intermediaries that update in the meantime you'll lose data and it's just a mess honestly. For things that don't have super high volume and you can actually store (text is cheap) just log everything

[rugged star]

ooh i suppose you could do a grep or keyword on cycling thru the logs looking for error 500 for example

[jagged belfry]

yes

Or if you have data corruption you can figure out when it started

[charred tusk]

Like when I accidently messed up a number and ordered 53 $20 shirts instead of $50 jackets
plus $15 shipping EACH and they were non-returnable

[jagged belfry]

ouch.

[charred tusk]

Or when I need to go back through them all to collect the confirmation numbers and/or out of stock responses

[slender urchin]

$15 shipping for a single t-shirt is madness

[charred tusk]

def _collect_errors() -> None:
    output = {}
    for response_file in Path("pos/").glob("*-response.json"):
        response_data = json.loads(response_file.read_text())
        if "code" in response_data:
            output[response_file.stem] = {dct["field"]: dct["message"] for dct in response_data.get("errors", [])}
    Path("errors.json").write_text(json.dumps(output, indent=4))

Sometimes Python is beautifully simplistic

[bleak moth]

So, with iterables and iterators, is it better to have a separate iterator class or for the class to be its own iterator... when would it be better to use either design?

[slender urchin]

I'd say it's different on a case by case basis

[rugged star]

ooh neat

[bleak moth]

But... when would you use one vs the other?

[rugged star]

i love learning from just reading others codes and asking stuff about it

[hasty island]

I'd personally pick either depending on how much tracking you have to do in __iter__, if it gets messy enough, pull that out to a separate class.

[desert atlas]

some one want to build a startup I m a novice programer and I want to create a big proyects whith other pepoleçç

[harsh anchor]

use generators

[slender urchin]

If your class is a sequence you can use the one included in Sequence

[bleak moth]

I am, but I still need to recursively iterate through data that isn't stored as an Iterable to begin with

[harsh anchor]

so?

[charred tusk]

"this site wants to use your camera"

WTF

[gleaming marten]

💀

Is this a mods ping moment

[quiet basin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[charred tusk]

probably

[gleaming marten]

How was a link even allowed, or is it just discord links banned

[quiet basin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[charred tusk]

Links are blacklisted, not whitelisted

[gleaming marten]

I'll be whatever consistency i wanna be bub

[charred tusk]

(Discord invites are whitelisted)

[quiet basin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[jagged belfry]

i look away for ten seconds

[charred tusk]

It was longer than that

[jagged belfry]

!ban 1336656185516097574 1d do not send malicious links here

[edgy kraken]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @quiet basin until <t:1763844632:f> (1 day).

[charred tusk]

But still not long enough for me to understand what to do with my code

So just “no async unless I’m going to use it”?
Even if all the functions friends are red, he should still vote blue?

[harsh anchor]

[jagged belfry]

yes, it was

[hallow bay]

is it a bad idea to use LLMs to give you a path to follow to build an app, not actually touching any of your code but providing steps (that make you think) into the right direction, in a learning context ?

[harsh anchor]

not necessarily

[coarse salmon]

the solution is to use erlang so you dont have to deal with async/await

[jagged belfry]

lol

Red and blue are two categories of function, and you want your functions to align with the behavior type of the category

red is "might wait" blue is "wont wait"

[bleak moth]

So, the code I want to use and want the client to be able to use is...

k = Key(...registry key params...)
for child in k:
  ...

But, the problem is that Key is not storing the keys as an iterable where I can just pass through the iterable, instead, winreg has the functions EnumKey and EnumValue where EnumKey takes a key, and a number and gives you the numberth child key of the given key, and EnumValue does the same for values.

You're meant to call this repeatedly until you get an OSError which indicates you've reached the end of the list of children.

[charred tusk]

I’ll try to get that through my head

Mentally it still feels like heresy to mix and match

[silver plover]

I think it's unrealistic and not a good lesson in being an engineer. But, it may be a fine lesson in how to do xyz. I like tutorials and how-to's to get rough familiarity with something, and then take a step back to understand the big picture

[hallow bay]

i see, the main goal was to build a CLI, and i know how it's supposed to work big picture, but some inner things are blackbox and wanted to clear those with ai but still use the docs to build the actual thing

[harsh anchor]

i don't see why not generators

[granite wyvern]

I'm not sure I've ever written a separate iterator class. __iter__ is often a generator, and you can always provide other generator methods if other iterations are needed.

[granite wyvern]

Generator time I guess?

[silver plover]

Like Wikipedia or Google, try to consult primary sources. If an LLM tells you something, ideally ask for a citation/link so you can read more fully. At least, that's my strategy.

[hallow bay]

alright, that sounds solid

i will give it a try for this cli i am making

see how hard it flops

[granite wyvern]

We have a monthly "what're we doing with AI tools" meeting where those of us using them give feed back about what, and whether they're good/bad. One item someone saidwas that it could be handy for "write a proposal for XYZ", because it included some things they might have missed. Then you turn it into the real proposal. So AI wasn't doing the proposal, but it was producing a framework/outline.

I'm talking about text here, not code.

[hasty island]

why won't this work?

  def __iter__(self):
    try:
      while True:
        ...
        yield ...
    except OSError:
      raise StopIteration(...)

[hallow bay]

yeah i just looked into planning the plan, not any code whatsoever

[charred tusk]

That’s what I do
“Hey BTW how could I go about….”
Then I pick the best suggestion and research the implementation

[hallow bay]

sounds goofy as hell what i said*

[wary lily]

how do i do that

[silver plover]

My standing prompt includes something like: : 'after your answer, tell me what was wrong about my question, and what was wrong about your answer'

I get more value from -that- than anything else

[harsh anchor]

that's up to you

[runic flower]

I like that.

[charred tusk]

If it knew what was wrong with its answer…
… it wouldn’t have given you that answer

[silver plover]

Try it.

[charred tusk]

I’m on mobile can you try it for me?

[hasty island]

get an agent to try it for you smh

[charred tusk]

BRB gotta switch entire apps

[silver plover]

'Your question is wrong because lack of preparation in your part does not mean inconvenience on my part is appropriate'

[cerulean ravine]

I have found it helpful when Claude does something wrong to ask it why it did, and what I could change to make it not happen again.

[silver plover]

I've been unhappy with Claude, it doesn't stay within its guardrails well.

[charred tusk]

What was wrong with your question?
Your question compressed several moving parts—Textual UI, ZIP extraction, SDK behavior, and display logic—into a single sentence, which left the scope a bit fuzzy. It didn’t say whether the SDK was sync or async, whether images needed thumbnails or raw bytes, or whether the UI should stream them in gradually. None of that prevented an answer, but it added guesswork.

What was wrong with my answer?
The example leaned into a straightforward synchronous flow, which might not match your SDK’s actual behavior. I also assumed image formats and didn’t show optional quality-of-life pieces like error overlays, scrolling layout, or asynchronous fetches. The explanation covered the basics but didn’t dig into deeper architectural guidance you might actually want for a more robust production tool.

[idle fulcrum]

hello y'all

[charred tusk]

Hey you

[silver plover]

I think engineers would learn a lot from that type of response

[charred tusk]

A lot about asking good questions

Which is important

[idle fulcrum]

AI criticism is interesting because you can often manipulate the entire conclusion by pointing out one little part that you object to

[silver plover]

I'm two weeks into an experiment with Claude; I asked it to rewrite and optimize a fairly large chunk of code (about 20k lines). It's doing a terrible job so far, the task is just too many lines of code, it seems. I've been curious really what would happen.

It just keeps boxing itself into a corner, then violating the ground rules I gave it, then rewriting.

[charred tusk]

Where did you even get that many lines?

[pastel sluice]

Most of my experiments with AI have been unrewarding. The total amount of work required to accomplish my goal, including my oversight, and factoring in the fracturing of attention from switching away from the LLM while waiting for it to come up with an answer, etc. is a net negative compared to just doing the thing myself.

[silver plover]

Not my code, I told it to rewrite some core section of a key module that's a bottleneck.

Like, incredibly complex stuff.

[charred tusk]

Ah

[charred tusk]

Yeah imma be honest with you
Gippity can’t even write CRUD endpoints for me

[granite wyvern]

If it's that complex, how would you even trust the answers? Even with regression tests I'd be afeared.

[charred tusk]

afeared?

No way that’s a word

[granite wyvern]

An archaic form of afraid.

[charred tusk]

Huh

I stand archaic-ly corrected

[silver plover]

I had a theory that a different approach would beat their approach, so this was purely an experiment

[pastel sluice]

The tradeoff seems to be complete in both directions. The larger the job, the less likely the LLM can handle it; the smaller the job, the less use it'll be in the first place since I can just do it myself.

[granite wyvern]

Fair

[fossil steeple]

Can i microbit communicate with a pi pico w wirelessly

[inland karma]

they both have bluetooth

[fossil steeple]

oh

[rugged star]

PS C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots> & C:/Users/./AppData/Local/Programs/Python/Python314/python.exe c:/Users/./Documents/python_programming/WIP/6_shots/main.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "c:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots\main.py", line 1, in <module>
    import pygame
  File "C:\Users\.\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python314\Lib\site-packages\pygame\__init__.py", line 139, in <module>
    from pygame.base import *  # pylint: disable=wildcard-import; lgtm[py/polluting-import]
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pygame.base'
``` anyone know what couldve happened to my install of `pygame-ce`

[granite wyvern]

Maybe it's installed in a venv, but you're running the primary python and not the venv python?

[idle fulcrum]

there's no base module in that folder?

[rugged star]

i do am on 3.14t maybe it got corrupted somehow

[granite wyvern]

How did you install pygame-ce? Was it in a venv?

[rugged star]

i got it installed on the main but imma try an venv as well

[granite wyvern]

(Corrupted is unlikely.)

[rugged star]

no didnt have a venv setup yet just wanted to do a quick check

[granite wyvern]

Installs are per environment. I would:

• make a venv from your pimary python
• activate the venv
• install pygame-ce
• try your script while the venv is activated

[rugged star]

yes but still doesnt explain why my main python build doesnt run it eventho it has pygame

[hasty island]

wouldn't pygame[-ce] not being installed throw couldn't find pygame instead of pygame.base?

(meaning there is no .base)

[granite wyvern]

Possibly import complains about the whole module name.

[hasty island]

!e from pygame.base import *

[edgy kraken]

:x: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 1, in <module>
003 |     from pygame.base import *
004 | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pygame'

[granite wyvern]

Aye, just tried that myself. You are correct.

[rugged star]

(.venv) PS C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots> py -Xgil=0 .\main.py
pygame-ce 2.5.6 (SDL 2.32.10, Python 3.14.0t, No GIL)

[rugged star]

but it is installed on the main build

[hasty island]

yea, and supposedly base is not a submodule in pygame-ce

(idk, I don't use pygame, but that is what the error indicates)

[rugged star]

it is tho wait

(.venv) PS C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots> py -Xgil=0 -c "import pygame.base"
pygame-ce 2.5.6 (SDL 2.32.10, Python 3.14.0t, No GIL)

[jagged belfry]

pygame\__init__.py", line 139, in <module>
    from pygame.base import * 

Pygame's internal import is broken

This means one of two things:

• you named a file pygame.py
• your pygame install is corrupt

[rugged star]

its probably corrupted cause ```e
steel@DT-.:/mnt/c/Users/./Documents/python_programming/WIP/6_shots$ ls -a
. .. main.py readme.md .venv

i mean pygame does warn its not fully made for 3.14t yet so maybe its the reason

[hasty island]

well, try switching to the "default"

[jagged belfry]

I doubt it

3.14t errors would probably lead to segfaults imo

This feels more fundamental

[silver plover]

Wha do you mean it warns?

[silver plover]

I don't think it has wheels, so it wouldn't even install with muckery.

[rugged star]

(.venv) PS C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots> py .\main.py
<frozen importlib._bootstrap>:491: RuntimeWarning: The global interpreter lock (GIL) has been enabled to load module 'pygame.base', which has not declared that it can run safely without the GIL. To override this behavior and keep the GIL disabled (at your own risk), run with PYTHON_GIL=0 or -Xgil=0.
pygame-ce 2.5.6 (SDL 2.32.10, Python 3.14.0t, GIL)

[silver plover]

Oh, it has wheels, it's just reenabling the Gil. So it's there.

Don't run with python_gil=0 tho

[rugged star]

why not

[hasty island]

the warning tells you why not

[rugged star]

its just warning me 😏 not saying im not allowed

[hasty island]

(at your own risk)
and you found out what that risk gets you

[silver plover]

Do whatever you want, don't be surprised when your hair catches on fire and dog starts meowing.

[rugged star]

i mean didnt break my pc (yet) 😏

[rugged star]

hahahhahahhah

[charred tusk]

Dude I was drunk

You promised you'd delete that video!!

[rugged star]

🤣

[hasty island]

you mean to tell me my hair isn't supposed to spontaneously combust?

[runic flower]

i thought this was a don't trust ai warning. Which also fits.

[rugged star]

ok fine i wont put gil on 0 (for now .... maybe when they remove the warning i will)

[hasty island]

the warning is from python itself telling you, xyz needs the GIL

[silver plover]

The warning also means: you should just use 3.14 if you're using that package

[rugged star]

the thingy is i wanted to try and see if using the free threading could improve the rendering on pygame-ce by having like GUI and game logic actually thread seperated

might sound dumb but thought it was worth trying

[sullen dust]

will all packages need to be modified to be able to run without the GIL?

[charred tusk]

oh yeah???
well I run my code on 3.15f+j
TAKE THAT

[granite wyvern]

That is a reasonable experiment.

[rugged star]

i thought so too

[charred tusk]

Wait
Python just reenables the GIL anyways just for funsises?

So… can I just switch all my runtimes to the ft versions and let it re-enable the safety when it needs to, but not do it when it’s safe?

[granite wyvern]

I believe packages need to announce in their metadata that they are no-GIL safe. Otherwise the GIL gets enabled for safety.

I don't know the details, and it may be a transition phase.

[charred tusk]

I didn’t know that was a thing
I need to go do that to my test package

Hmm
Are there not FT or JIT Docker images yet?

[granite wyvern]

https://docs.python.org/3/howto/free-threading-extensions.html#freethreading-extensions-howto

"Module Initialization

Extension modules need to explicitly indicate that they support running with the GIL disabled; otherwise importing the extension will raise a warning and enable the GIL at runtime."

[charred tusk]

Do pure-Python modules not need to be updated?

[granite wyvern]

Maybe not.

Looks like not. I need to read this section: https://docs.python.org/3/howto/free-threading-python.html#thread-safety
closely to see what safety is provided.

[sullen dust]

will no gil make the threading library useless or better?

[charred tusk]

Everything I do is in containers and I don’t see any container images 🙁

[granite wyvern]

No and yes. Respectively. NoGIL is all about threading, so it can't make it useless.

"Go not to the elves for advice, for they will say both no and yes."

[granite wyvern]

Make your own?

[charred tusk]

With blackjack and very nice ladies?

Thats fun and all
But it doesn’t make the security team very happy

[granite wyvern]

Security teams are paid to be unhappy.

[charred tusk]

True

And in this case the security team consists of me, myself, and I, so I’d like to think I still hold a lot of sway

[granite wyvern]

Won't you step on your own blue shoes?

"
Iterators

Sharing the same iterator object between multiple threads is generally not safe and threads may see duplicate or missing elements when iterating or crash the interpreter.
"
Fun times. I need to think about what this actually means.

[charred tusk]

Oh hey
https://realpython.com/python313-free-threading-jit/#compile-and-run-python-313-using-docker
The GOATS strike again

[granite wyvern]

This text predates 3.14, btw, I believe.

[charred tusk]

uv provides the builds
I already use uv in the container
I just need or figure out how to pin to these builds

[sullen dust]

will lazy imports be confirmed?

[granite wyvern]

I believe the PEP is accepted.

[charred tusk]

They already were

[sullen dust]

it is

yeah i thought it was still in proposal

[granite wyvern]

!pep 810

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 810 - Explicit lazy imports**

Status

Accepted

Python Version

3.15

Created

02-Oct-2025

Type

Standards Track

[granite wyvern]

Yes, slated for 3.15

[sullen dust]

wait so what got rejected?

[stray field]

Yay!

[charred tusk]

(chimera) @shenanigansd ➜ /workspaces/chimera (main) $ uv run nox
error: Distribution `psycopg-binary==3.2.13 @ registry+https://pypi.org/simple` can't be installed because it doesn't have a source distribution or wheel for the current platform

hint: You're using CPython 3.14 (`cp314t`), but `psycopg-binary` (v3.2.13) only has wheels with the following Python ABI tag: `cp314`

[charred tusk]

me

[rugged star]

<class 'pygame.math.Vector2'> <class 'pygame.math.Vector2'>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots\main.py", line 37, in <module>
    @lambda _: _().run()
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots\main.py", line 37, in <lambda>
    @lambda _: _().run()
               ~~~~~~~^^
  File "C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots\main.py", line 51, in run
    self.p.update()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^
  File "C:\Users\.\Documents\python_programming\WIP\6_shots\main.py", line 34, in update
    self.pos += (direction * self.speed)
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +=: 'pygame.math.Vector2' and 'float'
``` lol weird behavior unlocked
```py
class Player(pygame.sprite.Sprite):
    _pos: pygame.Vector2

    def __init__(self, *groups) -> None:
        super().__init__(*groups)
        self._pos = pygame.Vector2()
        self.speed = pygame.Vector2()
        self.image = pygame.Surface((60, 60))
        self.image.fill("red")
        self.rect = self.image.get_rect(center=(30, 30))

    @property
    def pos(self) -> pygame.Vector2:
        return self._pos

    @pos.setter
    def pos(self, v):
        self._pos = pygame.Vector2(v)
        if self.rect is None: return 
        self.rect.center = self._pos

    def update(self):
        super().update()
        k = pygame.key.get_pressed()
        direction = pygame.Vector2((k[pygame.K_d] - k[pygame.K_a]),(k[pygame.K_s] - k[pygame.K_w]))

        if direction.length() > 0:
            direction.normalize_ip()
        print(type(self.speed), type(direction))
        self.pos += (direction * self.speed)

i know i dont have delta time implemented yet -_-

[rugged star]

oh wait no i feel stupid its Vector2 * Vector2 -> float which i then try to add on a Vector2

what is the correct to get a Vector2 where the values are a multiplication of the 2?

[autumn forge]

probably 2 * vectorobj

yeah, multiplying two vectors together will give you the scalar (dot) product

[rugged star]

yeah that is if you want both to be multiplied from the same
but how to do
(x, y) * (z, t) = (xz, yt)

[bleak moth]

It would. I think that's what I'm thinking of doing, my question is should that be in the main class or in an iterator class?

[autumn forge]

Vector2(v.x * u.x, v.y * u.y)

[rugged star]

oh they dont have vector multiplications implemented? :c

[hasty island]

doesn't sound like you'll be doing much more than doing winapi calls, so having it in __iter__ should be fine

[autumn forge]

that's not what vector multiplication is

[hasty island]

again, the call is yours to make, decide if you want to pull it out to a class if it's too bloated

[bleak moth]

try u @ v

[rugged star]

element-wise multiplications

[rugged star]

Operator "@" not supported for types "Vector2" and "Vector2"PylancereportOperatorIssue

[autumn forge]

sure

[bleak moth]

That's dumb!

That's literally the matrix multiplication operator

What library is this?

pygame?

[rugged star]

pygame-ce

[rugged star]

time to make a helper function XD

[autumn forge]

after checking the docs they actually do have it implemented ```python-repl

u = pygame.Vector2(3, 4)
v = pygame.Vector2(2, 1)
u.elementwise() * v
Vector2(6, 4)

TIL 👀

[granite wyvern]

There was an older lazy import PEP which was rejected.

[rugged star]

oh my when T^T

[hasty island]

does @ even have a dunder?

[granite wyvern]

!pep 636

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 636 - Structural Pattern Matching: Tutorial**

Status

Final

Python Version

3.10

Created

12-Sep-2020

Type

Informational

[autumn forge]

yeah, __matmul__

[granite wyvern]

Whoops.

[bleak moth]

class MVector2(Vector2, x = 0, y = 0):
  def __matmul__(self, v: Vector2):
    return MVector2(self.x * v.x, self.y * v.y)

[hasty island]

hm, TIL

[granite wyvern]

!pep 690

[edgy kraken]

**PEP 690 - Lazy Imports**

Status

Rejected

Python Version

3.12

Created

29-Apr-2022

Type

Standards Track

[granite wyvern]

"Status:
Rejected"

[rugged star]

ty so much

[stray field]

690
Nice

[tranquil tinsel]

On import I have a flask application which sets the static directory for example. While testing it doesn't import again so the static directory is for the first test. I can add importlib.reload() to the code being tested but I only need it while testing. What else can I do?

[autumn forge]

the element-wise product is sorta completely different to matrix multiplication though. Not sure why you'd use __matmul__ for it

[bleak moth]

Yup!

[bleak moth]

TIL too, I just saw a video about it today

[robust ledge]

Put those steps in a function instead of having them as an import side-effect.

[rugged star]

is doing something like

from dataclasses import dataclass, field


@dataclass
class MyGlobals:
    delta_t: float = 0.0


globs = MyGlobals()
```where in files i need it i can do```py
from my_globs import globs
x = y * globs.delta_t
``` or should i not do this at all

[tranquil tinsel]

I was expecting I could remove it from sys.modules between tests but it doesn't import again

[robust ledge]

It's almost always easier to remove the import side-effect than try and force a recycled import.

[granite wyvern]

That's reasonable.

[rugged star]

ok dont worry i wont show the lambda horror im doing 🙃

[fading kelp]

I would only do this in an immutable context (frozen = true). Then, you can toss all of your values into a config file and load them into the MyGlobals data class. Something like delta_t sounds inherently mutable though, so you might be on a bad track.

(if MyGlobals is a truly global instance used anywhere)

[rugged star]

its mutatable i just want a class to hold my values that are both mutable and immutatable within my running context so i can have the advantage of accesing the easily

[fading kelp]

Mutable global variables are frowned upon in general. It's difficult to debug because the scope of the problem could be anywhere

Singletons, or dependency injection is used in its place

[strong gate]

@fading kelp My code detects this as errors, can you help me out.

ame = 'Joe'

Age = 'Eleven'

print("Name,Age")
print("Hello my name is: rahhh")

txt: str = 'cant get me hahah'

names: list = ('bob,regina,jay,jake,jackson')

print("hello world!")

from datetime import datetime

print('This is the current time:')
print('datatime.now()')

def show_date() -> None

print(f'Hello!, {Name}!')

Greet('Bob')
Greet('Luigi')

[rugged star]

def show_date() -> None is missing something at the end :)

!code

[edgy kraken]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[rugged star]

this can be helpfull for others to read your code @strong gate

[cerulean ravine]

it the singleton is mutable, it's still a mutable global.

[fading kelp]

you get the benefits of encapsulation though, controlling how the singleton instance is influenced

[cerulean ravine]

do you? Any part of the code could get the singleton object and mutate it.

[cerulean ravine]

this is the same as defining a class, making one object, and assigning it to a global

[fading kelp]

That problem is kind of unique to python since there aren't really private fields, but you can name mangle it at least to signify that some interface should be used instead of direct access

[cerulean ravine]

we seem to have shifted the discussion. Maybe I missed why someone had a singleton in the first place.

[fading kelp]

the original post had a global data class instance full of variables that would be mutated throughout their application

[cerulean ravine]

ok, and a singleton would still be mutated throughout the application, no?

[bleak moth]

I have a callable int...

[oak oyster]

Man why's there no benchmarks on easyocr GPU Vs cpu

[fading kelp]

through a defined interface though, for example:

# file 1
my_globals.some_incrementing_key = 0

# file 2
key1 = my_globals.some_incrementing_key
my_globals.some_incrementing_key += 1
run_some_function_from_file_1()

key2 = my_globals.some_incrementing_key

# key1 == key2 ?

vs

my_globals.increment_key()
my_globals.get_key()

[oak oyster]

I can't tell how fucked I am

[fading kelp]

if in the second program key1 equaled key2 it would be trivial to find the issue, it's wherever someone mutated my_globals.__instance.key as it is impossible within the provided interface

[robust ledge]

The word impossible is doing some heavy lifting there. I'm just confused as to why a global mutable is being used like this. You still have it changing anywhere.

[bleak moth]

I never really learned matrices but my limited understanding is that you're basically multiplying multiple values by each other while preserving either rows or values.

numpy implements it specifically.

[rugged star]

DiscoDancingDog

[fading kelp]

my first suggestion is to never use a global mutable, but in the occasion that you need to, a singleton is cleaner than exposing the value. dependency injection is a far better solution, but is not trivial to introduce to a stack

[bleak moth]

Actually, technically, it's an IntEnum, but it's still a callable int

[harsh musk]

hello everyone

[robust ledge]

Hmm, I'm not following the use of the term singleton here but I understand the pattern you are talking about.

[autumn forge]

yeah, but in numpy, * is the element-wise product and @ is the matrix product

[bleak moth]

fair. Like I said, matrix math is above my head.

[stray field]

Its 10/11th grade algebra

[granite wyvern]

We got matrices in 1st year uni.

[stray field]

Late high school/early university

[bleak moth]

Yeah, there was a very short lesson as I recall, but I didn't get it and I don't even remember getting tested on it.

[granite wyvern]

It was about the point where I went from mathcomputer nerd to computer nerd.

[stray field]

You no longer make programs on your calculator?

[charred tusk]

I no longer have a calculator

[bleak moth]

I do somewhere still.

[granite wyvern]

I think to some extend it was the teaching style. A lot of "definition, here is what we do" and nearly no "this is a thing you can use it for".

[stray field]

My calculator was a fancy terminal

[bleak moth]

TI-84+ Silver Edition from 2005?

[granite wyvern]

My caclutor was a dumb as rocks scientific calculator. Not sure I every had a fancy HP with RPN.

[stray field]

TI-86 for me

[granite wyvern]

A TI something for me I think.

[stray field]

I wasn't allowed to use it in tests

[granite wyvern]

Does no one find the idea of a "TI84 ... from 2005" a ittle jarring?

[granite wyvern]

Same

[stray field]

83/84+ only

[bleak moth]

I got it in high school 🤷‍♂️

I needed it for Chemistry

[charred tusk]

Should I?

[bleak moth]

Then it came in handy during Alg III/Trig

[charred tusk]

Is that a little too early?

[stray field]

Ever used a TI-89 Titanium?

[bleak moth]

No, sadly

[stray field]

It has a color screen

[bleak moth]

I never invested in another graphing calculator after that

[stray field]

And can make 3D graphs

[charred tusk]

I never invested in another graphing calculator after Desmos

[raw bramble]

python

[craggy willow]

did you figure this one out, i'll look at it

[raw bramble]

Get a Raspbery Pi and LCD display, then make your own graphing calculator

I always forget that Desmos is meant to act as a graphing calculator and not my graphy drawy silly game thing

[craggy willow]

is the image binary?

[charred tusk]

I have a cause, but not a solution
#python-discussion message
IIUC, your cv2 implementation expects a colored image, but my image is black and white

[craggy willow]

yeah, binary image... i can fix it fast

[raw bramble]

Would a ternary system be able to emulate a binary system?

[craggy willow]

sure, n-ary system can emulate a p-ary system

[raw bramble]

So surely you could make a Ternary computer and run it completely fine on regular networks and interact with other devices as it if too were a binary machine

[craggy willow]

    if image.ndim == 2:
        image = np.dstack((image, image, image))

🙁

lol

[charred tusk]

based

[craggy willow]

actually, i should make the alpha channel 255

[obtuse plover]

How to write code in this form?

[charred tusk]

!code

[edgy kraken]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[craggy willow]

actually, whats the dtype of the image? is it still np.uint8?

i think it has to be

[charred tusk]

Not sure
I'm watching my soap right now
Don't got my code in front of me
I'll DM you the images in case you wanna look at them

[craggy willow]

i will say, type checker hates numpy code

[charred tusk]

I wonder why

[jagged belfry]

lol

[coarse salmon]

Smh

[craggy willow]

ok, yeah, it's uint8 at least

[jagged belfry]

I feel like this should be an imread and a convert

cv2.imdecode

[craggy willow]

it's annoying, i'll have something typed as ndarray[int, int, Literal[4]] and call np.zeros((4, 4, 4)) and type checker will be like, "ndarray[int, int, int] not an ndarray[int, int, Literal[4]]"

but i used the literal 4 🙁

[jagged belfry]

cv2.cvtColor(image, cv2.COLOR_GRAY2RGB)

[craggy willow]

i just dstack it myself

the entire function is pretty short

[jagged belfry]

Valid, I guess

[craggy willow]

def read_texture(path: Path) -> RGBA_2D:
    """
    Return a uint8 RGBA numpy array from a path to an image.

    Parameters
    ----------
    path : Path
        Path to image.

    Returns
    -------
    RGBA_2D
        An uint8 RGBA array of the image.
    """
    image = cv2.imread(str(path.absolute()), cv2.IMREAD_UNCHANGED)

    if image.dtype == np.dtype(np.uint16):
        image = (image // 257).astype(np.uint8)
    elif image.dtype == np.dtype(np.float32):
        image = (image * 255).astype(np.uint8)

    if image.ndim == 2:
        image = np.dstack((image, image, image))

    # Add an alpha channel if there isn't one.
    h, w, c = image.shape
    if c == 3:
        default_alpha_channel = np.full((h, w, 1), 255, dtype=np.uint8)
        image = np.dstack((image, default_alpha_channel))

    return cv2.cvtColor(image, cv2.COLOR_BGRA2RGBA)  # type: ignore

[charred tusk]

Also

Salt

For the love of cat

[craggy willow]

imread accepts Path now though

[charred tusk]

That is explictly my problem

I am downloading my images from the internet

I need it to accept BytesIO instead of Path

[craggy willow]

hrrm

can you provide BytesIO to imread

can create an array from bytes

you want Image to accept BytesIO?

yeah, ok, gimme a sec

[charred tusk]

I tried tempfile earlier at work too, but it said it had uh... "no method absolute" IIRC

[jagged belfry]

cv2.imdecode()

[granite wyvern]

Is there a link to the docs for cv2.imread?

[jagged belfry]

imread() comes from disk, imdecode() from a buffer

[craggy willow]

i think i have class method for Image to create directly from texture, but i'll have to check

[bleak moth]

Registry types are ridiculous. I'm about to just be like "yeah, that registry value data, it's "Any" now!"

[craggy willow]

https://github.com/salt-die/batgrl/blob/main/src/batgrl/gadgets/image.py#L238

[edgy kraken]

src/batgrl/gadgets/image.py line 238

def from_texture(```

[craggy willow]

i could add a from_bytes though

or just allow it in the constructor, lemme think

i could change path to source and just load directly from the internet, like Video

[rare gazelle]

hello

[warm scarab]

ai

[craggy willow]

that's false

[rocky gust]

not True

[craggy willow]

actually, you can check the git history, i'm betting it was written before llms were popular

[rocky gust]

im checking this out and this is absolutely insane how do you even do this 😭

[jagged belfry]

Can't be AI, it's too organized

[craggy willow]

ok, i'm adding a read_buffer function in texture_tools and this combined with Image.from_texture should get you what you want

[charred tusk]

Can I use a black and white image?

[craggy willow]

yep!

[charred tusk]

[craggy willow]

hopefully

[charred tusk]

[craggy willow]

i'll push and release and you can yell at me if it's still broken

[rocky gust]

the simulations you've made are actually crazu

[rocky gust]

HOWOWOOWOWWWW

[charred tusk]

well just go ahead and post the whole thing why don't you
it's not like I DMed you or anything

[rare gazelle]

dont lie

[craggy willow]

i can delete it

[rare gazelle]

why i'm always late to the fire!!!

[craggy willow]

it was never there

[charred tusk]

[rare gazelle]

😢

[craggy willow]

you saw nothing

[rocky gust]

yeah, I didn't see anything, why are you telling us this 🧐

[charred tusk]

Each of the TIFs is a single color
The JPG in the root is the "complete" picture, it has the list of colors at the top

[wary lily]

i don’t wanna sound corny but i like your bio im gonna use that phrase

[craggy willow]

oh, i see

[wary lily]

sorry

[rare gazelle]

once i posted in here a today i teach thread and someone accused me that i used chatgpt for it

[craggy willow]

it's the times we live in

we're all ai now

[rare gazelle]

yea

try to prove that u didn't haha

[wary lily]

programming is hard vibe coding is better

[pallid garden]

it's the end times: good quality is attributed to ai because everyone assumes that everyone else can't code anymore

[craggy willow]

crazy, cause if i see good quality i assume it's not ai

[rare gazelle]

i agree with u salt bbut i also agree with zehata

[pallid garden]

that's because you are experienced

[rare gazelle]

and that fight is pointless

[pallid garden]

i say everyone in the ironic sense

not literally everyone

[rare gazelle]

if someone thinks your code is made by ai its going to bbe hard to convince him it's not

so just dont try to

[pallid garden]

because it's not your problem, it's theirs

[wary lily]

i noticed that simple code is cooler than complicated code that does the same thing

like if you can do something in 50 lines instead of 70 while doing the same thing i find that really cool

[rare gazelle]

true

[rare gazelle]

u can do it in 1 line too

[pallid garden]

or rather, they are the problem

[charred tusk]

!pip everything 👍

[edgy kraken]

everything v0.1.2

from everything import anything

Released on <t:1739172297:D>.

[rare gazelle]

adding ; u can even have multiple statements

[charred tusk]

I've cut ~1800 lines to ~200 lines

[rare gazelle]

less lines doesn't mean better

[rare gazelle]

using that?

[charred tusk]

HELL no

[rare gazelle]

i still dont understand what this everything is doing

[charred tusk]

It's AI

[pallid garden]

it's doing everything

[rare gazelle]

😵‍💫

[slow aspen]

It's like a macro, expanding your non existing imports into actual functions using OpenAPI is what I read

[rare gazelle]

so u import something that doesn't exist and it makes it existing?

[sand hornet]

That’s just a way to blame me without blaming me.. 🫥

[craggy willow]

i decided to just accept bytes instead, but can just pass .getvalue() from a BytesIO

[charred tusk]

My type is already a bytes anyways

[raw bramble]

Any advice on how to create tests to test your code? Never really done it before

[craggy willow]

we've decided unanimously that bytes is superior

[charred tusk]

lol

Most "open file" interfaces take "an io" which can be like IO[Path] or IO[bytes]
So it has to have the io wrapper

But if you're making your own from_bytes, then you do you boo, go wild and pop off queen

[craggy willow]

i may change Image to do this directly one day

we'll see

[steel whale]

i know this is offtopic but does anyone have any experience with android rooting? I wanna hide my Magisk mod from banking apps

I'm on my knees for this one tweak

I've seen so many people do it yet I can't

[brisk gazelle]

The difficulty with that is banking apps often refuse to work on rooted devices.

Also, rooting will often trigger a phone wipe.

[steel whale]

yes because they detect the root modification

[steel whale]

I'm alr on a rooted phone

[brisk gazelle]

Rightio.

[craggy willow]

can i root my bank

[charred tusk]

only once

Then you'll discover the one neat trick to never need a bank account again

||(it's prison)||

[craggy willow]

my prison bank

[steel whale]

Because they detect the root mod, hiding it means they will work on a rooted phone because they think that they're on a non-rooted device

[pallid garden]

go to offtopic

[steel whale]

Plus I need to play 8 ball pool, haven't done that in years

[steel whale]

alr sent, and I responded to grote

[steady rain]

did you try https://discord.gg/android
or the discord server for your phone make?

[wise imp]

it's been the end times for the past two millennia (at least)

[pallid garden]

as in i have some questions in #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[steel whale]

Not the server, but the subreddit

[wary lily]

why do people like android over apple

i never understood it

[craggy willow]

why do people like purple over yellow, i never understood it

[raw bramble]

Benefit of Apple is they're always years behind, so they're using technology everyone's already perfected, and they can use their money to just get the best out of that already existing tech

[raw bramble]

Purple AND Yellow? 💜 Best colours in the world

[pallid garden]

let's uhhhhh get back on topic

[charred tusk]

Because I'm color-blind and red/orange/yellow/green all bleed together

[craggy willow]

purple isn't even real

[charred tusk]

wow

[raw bramble]

brown isn't real it's just purple

[fallow ginkgo]

can we link files in this server?

[cerulean ravine]

yes

[craggy willow]

you can use paste

[pallid garden]

purple is actually not real though, the color spectrum doesnt loop back from red to violet after all

[raw bramble]

what 📂

[raw bramble]

😮 *

[craggy willow]

i see why you're doggy now

[charred tusk]

[pallid garden]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a64393667/purple-is-fake/

That’s right. Red and blue (or violet) wavelengths are two opposite extremes on the spectrum. When you see both of these wavelengths in the same place, you eyes and brain don’t know what to do with them, so they compensate, and the clashing wavelengths register as the color we call purple. It doesn’t actually exist.

[raw bramble]

To me that makes purple the most real colour

[craggy willow]

i thought it had to do with which cones activated

[raw bramble]

also if brown is real then so is purple

[pallid garden]

i think therefore purple

[fallow ginkgo]

how do we link files? im gonna link yall an LLM i just made that uses synonyms and antonym probability, experts and before/after pattern data for word and wordclass.

[raw bramble]

I love this, you have so many amazing takes but this is the best one 💜

[fallow ginkgo]

so yall can fix it and put it on github open source or something

works rn though just could be better

[raw bramble]

Thesaurus

[cerulean ravine]

this all hinges on what we mean by "a color" and what we mean by "real"

[pallid garden]

mary's room!

[raw bramble]

Colours are the cool things that you see when you see colours

[cerulean ravine]

then brown and purple are real

[fallow ginkgo]

thesarus?.....

[raw bramble]

It does exactly what you want

You can find (almost) any synonym or antonym to (almost) any word

[craggy willow]

blue cones only make up 2% of our total cones

[fallow ginkgo]

no you don't understand, this works fine. I just wanna upload it to yall can use it.

[craggy willow]

i just read this

that's crazy

[raw bramble]

Brown and Purple look different as colours, but they are the same colour

[pallid garden]

you can make an LLM that does 1+1 perfectly but that will never change the fact that a calculator can do the same thing with significantly less compute and power usage

[raw bramble]

This does make sense right?

[craggy willow]

distribution of cone cells in normal(left) and color blind(right), no blue cones in center

this is cool

[cerulean ravine]

without elaborating, it's literally self-contradictory

[dry pike]

I thought brown is like dark orange

[livid orbit]

hello world

👋

[raw bramble]

Like your brain maps a colour to its name

but brown maps both to purple and brown at the same time because they look so similar?

[dry pike]

???

[craggy willow]

i don't think purple and brown look similar tho

[dry pike]

Bro's color blind

[raw bramble]

It'll go

#5262f7 is BLUE
#f0e92e is YELLOW
#ff6912 is ORANGE
#36181e is BROWN/PURPLE
#5b257d is PURPLE

[dry pike]

🗣️

[raw bramble]

I can't be though because I can tell the difference between the colours

[cerulean ravine]

maybe this is off-topic at this point?

[craggy willow]

.color #36181e

[verbal wedge]

#36181e

Color information for Color #36181e.

RGB

(54, 24, 30)

HSV

(348, 56, 21)

HSL

(348, 38, 15)

CMYK

(0, 56, 44, 79)

Hex

#36181E

Name

No match found

[craggy willow]

.color #5b257d

[verbal wedge]

#5b257d

Color information for Color #5b257d.

RGB

(91, 37, 125)

HSV

(277, 70, 49)

HSL

(277, 54, 32)

CMYK

(27, 70, 0, 51)

Hex

#5B257D

Name

No match found

[raw bramble]

They're both purple even though they both look different

[craggy willow]

not a great brown

more red

[raw bramble]

dark reds are purple too

[errant iron]

GUYSSS

[craggy willow]

.color #2d1708

[verbal wedge]

#2d1708

Color information for Color #2d1708.

RGB

(45, 23, 8)

HSV

(24, 82, 18)

HSL

(24, 70, 10)

CMYK

(0, 49, 82, 82)

Hex

#2D1708

Name

No match found

[jagged belfry]

maroon

[craggy willow]

this is brown to me

[jagged belfry]

this is maroon

[raw bramble]

That's brown but not purple

[errant iron]

It's my first hackathon, I'm done with everything but deployment, I'm using django

What's the easiest way to deploy

[raw bramble]

OH ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTIOn

[cerulean ravine]

how did we get started on colors, and how can we stop? 🙂

[craggy willow]

lol

what color is your function, ned

[errant iron]

Anyone please

[jagged belfry]

django has a deployment guide

[errant iron]

Help me out

[jagged belfry]

also, patience

it hadn't even been 60 seconds

[raw bramble]

How would I create a GUI or something where I can have every hex triplet colour display on screen in like a grid iykwim

[errant iron]

I don't have much time left sorry

[jagged belfry]

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.2/howto/deployment/

[errant iron]

Thansk

[craggy willow]

you do a bunch of gradients line by line

[raw bramble]

<p><color=#2d1708>█</color></p>

[raw bramble]

i dont know how to html

[granite wyvern]

for 8 bit colour that's a 4096 x 4096 grid

[raw bramble]

wait no :(((( why are there 3 addative colours

[craggy willow]

rgb?

[raw bramble]

I'd need to make a 3d diagram of colours

[granite wyvern]

I was counting 8 bit rgb

[raw bramble]

You'd only be able to view it in 4d

[granite wyvern]

Excellent, a cube? How are we going to see inside?

[charred tusk]

We upgraded to CMYK
We get a whole extra letter now!

[raw bramble]

Ascending

[jagged belfry]

isnt there another new one?

[raw bramble]

another what

[craggy willow]

you can do a bunch of 2d grids and pick the hue:

[jagged belfry]

oklab

[raw bramble]

Would I be able to arrange every colour together though by how similar they are?

[craggy willow]

well, i'm sure there are a bunch of different color systems that try to do that, i'm sure you could to

[granite wyvern]

There's some kind of funky grid traversal that covers eg a whole cube etc in single step increments, can't rememeber its name (or even its specifics).

[cerulean ravine]

hilbert?

[craggy willow]

yeah, some 3d space-filling curve

[granite wyvern]

I think so?

[digital brook]

Hello

To get verified 2years after joining to be 'verified' to speak in a general chat.

[raw bramble]

:( I want more, different colour cones and to be a 4th dimensional being

[craggy willow]

you want to be a mantis shrimp

[raw bramble]

YES

[coarse salmon]

theres lots of space filling curves

but i think hilbert is the more well known one

[craggy willow]

ur mom

peano

[raw bramble]

be nice

[manic steppe]

hi guysss

[craggy willow]

i think hilbert is used more often though in computer science

[granite wyvern]

whereas our approach is more crafty

[manic steppe]

guys

can you suggest where can i watch python

[raw bramble]

local zoo

[craggy willow]

watch python? you want videos?

[granite wyvern]

Occasionally at home, too.

[charred tusk]

Hopefully not inside the house

[craggy willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSGv2VnC0go

there you go

[granite wyvern]

Of course inside the house.

[charred tusk]

How many sneks do you have?

[manic steppe]

yess

[granite wyvern]

Personally? None.

[manic steppe]

what guys???

[craggy willow]

you can try cs50, but i've never watched it

maybe someone else would recommend it or not

[manic steppe]

where do you guys watch

[charred tusk]

NDC

[raw bramble]

books, google, smart and helpful people here

[craggy willow]

maybe the mit course?

probably ok for a beginner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAcTmDO6NTI

[manic steppe]

ohh

wow

[pallid garden]

theres also me too

[raw bramble]

you are neither books nor google

[manic steppe]

is explanation is better

[fallow ginkgo]

here guys run this LLM I made tell me what you think. when you run it, it will create an empty dictionary file (possible with the basic words i forgot) and there is file training mode (just rescans files and builds on them), chat training mode (trains pattern data) and regular mode (should have no training). since the dictionary file is empty you may have to copy/paste the dictionary format and generate a small dictionary(300-400 words) that way.

[pallid garden]

im neither smart nor helpful too

[raw bramble]

untrue

[fallow ginkgo]

https://github.com/VythanLe///// Open-Source-LLM---Probability-Synonyms-Antonyms-Wordclass/tree/main

[raw bramble]

whats with the unprompted advertising??

[fallow ginkgo]

thats not advertising it's free

[raw bramble]

????

[fallow ginkgo]

called open source bud

[raw bramble]

@silver plover

[charred tusk]

That's not how advertising works

[fallow ginkgo]

guys complains someone hands him a free million dollar system

[pallid garden]

you should probably just use @ Moderator instead of pointing to a specific person

[fallow ginkgo]

anyway go check it out its working as of rn

[pallid garden]

my guy, you dont even know how a URL works

[raw bramble]

Oh I just do it because I don't want to @ someone with their do not disturb on or something

[rocky gust]

guys lowk should I hack into the mainframe using the firewall

[raw bramble]

I probably shoukdnt

[cerulean ravine]

you can DM @pseudo carbon

[charred tusk]

Mod rules are designed for that reason

They have snooze buttons

[charred tusk]

You explicitly SHOULD

[fallow ginkgo]

Where the ai coders at than yall don't seem interested

[raw bramble]

I mean I probably shouldn't just @ a specific person

[charred tusk]

ah right

[raw bramble]

AI coders, or AI coders?

[fallow ginkgo]

real ones

[pallid garden]

they are in delusion

[raw bramble]

Probably not advertising unprompted on a python discord server?

[fallow ginkgo]

its not advertising im linking you to an almost complete LLM system

[raw bramble]

anyway, how did the inventors of python3 come up with the best changes to a language ever?

[pallid garden]

what's that

[cerulean ravine]

we got the message, relax

[pallid garden]

im more interested in what you consider the best changes to a language

[raw bramble]

I find it almost impossible to notice possible improvements in any of my work at all, not because they're perfect, but because I'm not good at spotting them

[pallid garden]

maybe you just need to write more

[raw bramble]

for a, b in zip(as,bs)

for i, thing in enumerate(things)

[fallow ginkgo]

trash collection is useless for a language but i shall take my leave

[cerulean ravine]

so long

[raw bramble]

It's not exclusive to python or programming at all, I can't find mistakes or sub-optimal things to be improved upon at all

[charred tusk]

uhm excuse me the term is GC not TC

[pallid garden]

maybe if you look back on the past projects you've written?

like, 6 months down the line, i can usually look at my own projects with a different lens

and find things to improve

[manic steppe]

guys is mit ok

[charred tusk]

It's a pretty highly respected university

[pallid garden]

learning from mit ocw is quite good actually

[raw bramble]

I spent a long time looking at some of my code today and I found one improvement.

if isLan then
  ports = router.device_ports(ip)
else
  ports = router.used_ports
end if

became

if isLan then; ports = router.device_ports(ip)
else; ports = router.used_ports
end if

[raw bramble]

That's it though 😭

[pallid garden]

if you build larger projects maybe you will find architectural improvements to be made?

[raw bramble]

I'm building up small projects I'm going to combine together into a big one (hopefully) soon, I just need to get my partial json parser to parse json

[manic steppe]

how about cs50

[pallid garden]

highly recommended too

[manic steppe]

which better

[raw bramble]

I keep looking at my code and then going and writing it out in Python too, and getting angry at how much better Python is than MiniScript (the language I'm writing the parser in)

[raw bramble]

It makes me want to write a Python to MiniScript parser or smth just so I don't have to write in MiniScript 😭

[cerulean ravine]

cs50 is better

[pallid garden]

a lot of people here have looked at cs50 before, if you encounter any problems during your journey you can ask your question and it would be very easy for people to answer your question

[manic steppe]

hiiiii nedbat

[manic steppe]

okkk

[pallid garden]

at first it might be tough but it will become easier with time, so dont give up!

[raw bramble]

Should I always aim for readability wherever possible (without harming my code itself)?

[cerulean ravine]

yes

[raw bramble]

like

while u_inp != "exit"; u_inp = user_input("What would you like to run?\n> ")

    if u_inp == "nmap" then run_nmap
    if u_inp == "randip" then run_randip
    if u_inp == "clear" then clear_screen

end while

over

while u_inp != "exit"
    u_inp = user_input("What would you like to run?\n> ")
    if u_inp == "nmap" then run_nmap
    if u_inp == "randip" then run_randip
    if u_inp == "clear" then clear_screen
end while

[cerulean ravine]

the first one isn't valid, right?

[raw bramble]

The first one is valid

[cerulean ravine]

what language is this? it's not python

[raw bramble]

; treats everything after it as if it were a newline

[pallid garden]

i would even argue sometimes it might be better to take a little bit of performance penalty if the readability improvement outweighs it

[manic steppe]

why cs50 is bettersss

[pallid garden]

lua

[raw bramble]

It's one called MiniScript, it's not the most beautiful language but it fits its goal of being lua-like

[cerulean ravine]

because it's newer, and made for online teaching. mit ocw is not.

[craggy willow]

i like the mit one cause it feels more like a classroom

[raw bramble]

I just don't have any python examples on me rn since I don't have my python files open

[idle fulcrum]

more people should be hiring python remote jobs

not nodejs things

[pallid garden]

oh right i also thought of something

[idle fulcrum]

nobody wants it

[raw bramble]

I understand why people criticize the use of indentation in python, I don't agree with them and I think indentation is a great way of discerning the hierarchy of ur code things, but not ```lua
if
...
end if

while
...
end while

abc = function
print("abc")
end function

[pallid garden]

sometimes halfway through writing tests i suddenly think of improvements i can make

[raw bramble]

writing tests as in tests for your code?

[pallid garden]

yea

[raw bramble]

How does one do that

[pallid garden]

automated tests

like pytest

[raw bramble]

I test my code by running it and if it doesn't give me an error then it's probably fineeee

[gleaming marten]

everyone criticizes indentation but who in their right mind doesnt use it the same way they would in python

[raw bramble]

I feel like brackets make it look ugly and harder to read

Dicts should look like this

my_dict =
|--------------------|
|  "key1":"Value1",  |
|  "key2":"Value2",  |
|  "key3":"Value3"   |
|--------------------|

[craggy willow]

kinda insane to know how many ----- to use to surround my dict

[unborn lagoon]

nah, I don't need markdown tables to repeat themselves again

[raw bramble]

only part of markdown I hate 😢

[raw bramble]

🧠

[cerulean ravine]

there are other parts to hate, like significant trailing whitespace

[unborn lagoon]

welp, it's gfm, but yeah, they're not great to write
maybe someday we will adopt a flavor that uses csv or similar

[ashen cipher]

it makes snese to read in plaintext, it doesnt make sense everywhere else

markdown was written by IETF people /j

[raw bramble]

ooh csv doesn't sound like a bad idea

[ashen cipher]

@raw bramble write an obsidian plugin for it

[raw bramble]

it'd be much better than random tables but ;w;

[cerulean ravine]

restructured text has list-tables.

[raw bramble]

I have almost no experience writing obsidian plugins but I'm gonna write that down in my Obsidian Vault under "Ideas"

[raw bramble]

(I use FolderNotes btw 😎)

[raw bramble]

Folder Notes is actually such an underrated plugin

[summer crest]

genuinely have to wonder why they decided to make trailing whitespace significant

id have less of a problem with leading whitespace

[drifting bobcat]

Yooooo im on the reddit tab today!!!

Cool thats my first time since I joined this

[craggy willow]

i didn't even know there was a reddit tab

[drifting bobcat]

Me neither.

Tbh

But now I know and its cool seeing stuff like that. My thermal monitoring code was top post today

[torn shuttle]

MiniScript looks fire

[sharp jackal]

Hey guys! I just released a new python terminal styling library. Check this out: https://pypi.org/project/vargula/

I have added demo images like @hasty island suggested...

Let me know if you have any suggestions... or you can contribute to my GitHub too!

[rare gazelle]

looks good

i also like the examples u showed

[sharp jackal]

Thanks a lot, @rare gazelle 😊

[rare gazelle]

np

[raw bramble]

If I want to learn to edit an existing programming language like CPython, I'll need to learn C?

[celest osprey]

not necessarily, there's different parts like the sdtlib which is mostly in python, but yeah ig so

soon you'll need to learn rust too :kekw:

[steel whale]

not only that, but you'll need to get familiar with how CPython works and it's codebase

[sand hornet]

CPython is the Python interpreter and runtime environment. I’m not following. What are you wanting to learn?

[steel whale]

wanting to edit parts of CPython

I'm assuming they're wanting to make their own version

[raw bramble]

I want to create my own programming language :P

[sand hornet]

Right but like as just a maintainer or for some other purpose?

[raw bramble]

just to learn how to

because it's fun to learn things :D

[steel whale]

so an esoteric purpose, no pun intended

[celest osprey]

lmao

[sand hornet]

You can do that with any language, but you get to inherit all the issues of whatever language you choose typically

[raw bramble]

haha, yeah kinda. I want to learn it so it's something I know that others don't, things that are esoteric...

[celest osprey]

yeah then you'd definitely have to learn c

[steel whale]

you will need to get familiar with the codebase and how CPython works

[raw bramble]

Why don't I just make my own programming language then?

What are the bare necessities of a programming language

[celest osprey]

:bigbrain:

[sand hornet]

You can do it in Kotlin, Java, Swift, JS, whatever you want. Ultimately, you have the limitations of whatever language you choose until you compile your language with your language tbh