#Speaking Practice (Resolved but if more natives/fluent speakers can give advice it would be great!)

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Btw I don't expect anyone to watch the entire video and give me a full analysis

unreal latch
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I typed up a whole thing but discord decided to disconnect and delete it all, grrrrrr

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lemme try to summarize

frank cobalt
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x sound is not sh sound for exmaple

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listen to xi jinping talk or something, his tongue position is different and the way he speaks is more powerful and tonal

unreal latch
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three things I noticed mainly

  1. tones are sometimes inconsistent. Tone 3 seems to trip you up the most. You can try the app Cantone to monitor your tone contours

  2. your r especially sounds English-like, and to a lesser extent your j and x sometimes. In English, r/j/sh come with a degree of automatic lip rounding, i.e. there's always an implied w, so that write/rite are pronounced identically

try saying English 'run', 'gee', and 'she' and notice how your lips start off narrow and widen moving into the vowel. In Mandarin, when saying 人 ren2 機 ji1 洗 xi3, you should be able to maintain the same lip shape throughout

So you'll wanna work on not adding that w automatically unless it's actually there, e.g. contrast 軟 ruan3 vs 染 ran3

  1. your 現 xian4 sounds like sen
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chinese r has a curled tongue, english r is more like a w, try talking from the back of your mouth more if that makes sense

frank cobalt
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@frank cobalt @unreal latch you have any recommendations for pronounciation resources?

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not sure, maybe others can chime in

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Speaking Practice (Resolved but if more natives/fluent speakers can give advice it would be great!)

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serene trail
# lapis pendant I made a video of me speaking mandarin in a video game. Can someone correct my s...

I'm aiming for a Taiwanese accent
If you're aiming for a Taiwanese accent, you need to tone down your retroflex consonants, because right now you sound like a northerner. This is especially true with the X sound: it should not sound like the SH sound. For a standard accent, the X sound is in between the S sound and the SH sound.
For a Taiwanese accent, treat Z/C/S and J/Q/X as the same sounds, and lightly distinguish them with ZH/CH/SH. Keep your English R's: those are fine for this accent.
I have no idea what KiTTY is talking about with this "there's always an implied w" in an English R, because there's no such thing. "Write" and "rite" are pronounced the same despite being written differently because of etymological reasons, not because the English R is hiding some sort of W sound. There are accents in British English where the R sound is pronounced like a W sound, but those accents are rare, and since you're from north America, this shouldn't even be a problem for you.
you have any recommendations for pronounciation resources?
KiTTY mentioned the app Cantone, which apparently monitors your pitch contours.
I'd say just keep speaking and listening to yourself. It helps to shadow people whose accents you want to emulate, and challenge yourself to sound like them.
The reason your tones are off is because your native intonation patterns are interfering with your ability to produce tones correctly. English has pitch variations as well, and you'd have internalised the patterns of how pitch is supposed to vary, and subconsciously importing those patterns when speaking Chinese. There's really not much else you can do other than train more.

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also I don't go into linguistics, what is a retroflex constant?

serene trail
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oh

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You're curling your tongue way too much for a Taiwanese accent.

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serene trail
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ok

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serene trail
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It's just a dip in your pitch and holding it there.

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Oh and also how's my grammar and vocab usage?

serene trail
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gotcha

serene trail
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For example, around 0:25, the caption says 【除了 Hard Skull 意外】when it should be 以外.

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I'll also make another video on Ch. 2 so I'll post here again