I already saw your name
#auctions-general
fathom dust
I didn't remember the name
tawdry kelp
Ah
tawdry kelp
Well, if you're interested, feel free to invite her to your server and test her out
Always looking for feedback:)
fathom dust
.-.
fathom dust
Why you sad
not sad
rigid knoll
yer competing with me now 
tawdry kelp
yer competing with me now <:UwU:698363035856666656>
What's your bot?
I'm still unaware of my competitors yet
rigid knoll
rigid knoll
Why cloudflare gotta be so slow at meta loading 
lean whaleBOT
fathom dust
I have 3 servers in common with Crunchy
tawdry kelp
https://crunchy.gg
I think we do different things, so I wouldn't necessarily consider you a competitor but we will definitely be bidding for the same tag haha
rigid knoll
I have 3 servers in common with Crunchy
oh thats pretty pog
fathom dust
oh thats pretty pog
yeah
rigid knoll
I think we do different things, so I wouldn't necessarily consider you a competi...
Yeah, i was joking 😅
fathom dust
is it related with Pokémon?
tawdry kelp
Yeah, i was joking 😅
Oh haha my b XD
rigid knoll
not at all lol
fathom dust
cause all 3 servers are pokemon related
fathom dust
not at all lol
lmao
tawdry kelp
I definitely don't have the budget to bid every week tho XD
You guys are crazy with the money
rigid knoll
I mean if you want my advise
unless you're bidding on the big tags
e.g. music, top page, anime, etc...
your normal growth will outperform your bids
tawdry kelp
tawdry kelp
I see
Well I noticed that on average, I get like 25 servers every week
Something like that
Without ads, I mean
rigid knoll
In the end it's the slow game, the more servers you gain the more your growth rate will increase
fathom dust
I bid on non-related tags, cause the related ones are so expensive
fathom dust
Yeah I paid too much for the Anime tag this week
and did u win it?
tawdry kelp
Definitely gonna be like a "once a month" thing
tawdry kelp
Oh XD
fathom dust
I was checking anime tag like 45 mins ago
tawdry kelp
Ah, I see
tawdry kelp
Well thankfully I dont need the pokemon tag XD
fathom dust
but Anime Tag is expensive too .-.
rigid knoll
I have like no money to spend on bids atm 
fathom dust
I have like no money to spend on bids atm <a:sad:585885410257928194>
F
but your bot prob has lots of votes .-.
rigid knoll
so many expenses while being un-employed for the next few months 
rigid knoll
rigid knoll
idk
fathom dust
you bid
rigid knoll
i just saw a button and decided to click
fathom dust
.-.
rigid knoll
so probably lol
rigid knoll
you give me buttons on a website, its gonna get clicked
fathom dust
lmao
fathom dust
.-.
rigid knoll
now back to rust ig
fathom dust
.-.
low hinge
You can bid over it with the same amount
fathom dust
just waiting for Nik and Rhytm dev (idk the name) to come and bid
fathom dust
You can bid over it with the same amount
wdym?
low hinge
bid the same amount with a different product
rigid knoll
basically if you miss do a product or what ever
low hinge
should override your old one
rigid knoll
you can just do it again
fathom dust
oh
rigid knoll
and it'll yert it
rigid knoll
sadly le tab is closed so ill deal with it l8tr
fathom dust
,-,
low hinge
still some maintenance ongoing @fathom dust
still heath
hmm hi guys
proven gust
Can i be removed from auction
pseudo cedar
I tried bidding on the new stuff and but it said it's not in the allowed range 🤔
sly pagoda
What did you try to bid 
oak whale
i would hold off until Veld explains how it works
pseudo cedar
I do know how it works
pseudo cedar
I tried to bid 0.1 cpm 
sly pagoda
CPM and Total
oak whale
you have to do both yes
pseudo cedar
yeah, 0.1 with a max of 500
sly pagoda
He probably did
pseudo cedar
That seems like a high bar to set
pseudo cedar
fr?
pseudo cedar
dot dot dot
oak whale
i know that point numbers should work, as thats what veld said earlier to mods
so its probably a bug
pseudo cedar
pensive
it also said that its not in the allowed range
so maybe its a min of like 1 cpm
sly pagoda
that would suck though
pseudo cedar
yeah, defintiely
sly pagoda
sly pagoda
sly pagoda
why does it say 1 lmfao
$1000 for 1000 impressions with a limit of $1 for spending
So 1 total impression
pseudo cedar
oh wait yeah i understand
sly pagoda
it makes sense
sly pagoda
Well I assume when Channelbot's impressions run out it will move to the second?
Otherwise ~295k impressions are left
Funny how the "Read more" link goes to a 404
south shore
I'm confused
pseudo cedar
whats up codinmg
south shore
Did I just mess up lol
pseudo cedar
i just dont think its worth 3cpm
sly pagoda
Well he only pays $3 for 1,5k impressions
So after those 1,5k I suppose it moves to the next
south shore
Imp not equal to clicks
pseudo cedar
nah he'd pay $15 for 5k impressions
south shore
So I messed up
sly pagoda
Imp not equal to clicks
(Field one) CPM (is cost per thousand impressions)
(Field two) Total spending limit
south shore
Oh
low hinge
I'm still writing the docs for this
btw
does this make sense?
btw @pseudo cedar you might want to refresh the js cache
because otherwise you cannot bid cents iirc
dense zephyr
does this make sense?
Ye
low hinge
What does it mean?
pseudo cedar
It's still the same error
low hinge
wacky
sly pagoda
How does paying work for this system
Do you pay upfront? If you don't reach your total expression count do you get a partial refund? If your ad isn't shown at all do you get a full refund?
Do you pay after the week? But then I can just bid high CPM and don't pay at all after the week
low hinge
How does paying work for this system
For the first test, you pay the estimated amount upfront, we will refund any missed impressions in balance. The idea is that once the feature is done, you can top-up and it'll deduct every 1000 impressions.
sly pagoda
in balance
south shore
Veld could you check dms from me thanks :)
south shore
Ok, thanks
pseudo cedar
oy vey it lets me do the same bid on top slot 2 lmao #bids message
low hinge
yes you can now
pseudo cedar
no, its still broken on slot 1
pseudo cedar
thats a bit ridiculous
sly pagoda
even if your total is higher
low hinge
🤔
dense zephyr
For some reason the Slot 2 one shows NaN for me on the red button thing
dense zephyr
Oh
dense zephyr
thats a bit ridiculous
I guess I’m not the only one who thought that
sly pagoda
I mean I suppose it makes sense
dense zephyr
Eh
sly pagoda
But we couldn't bid cents before 
dense zephyr
Thanks 🤗
tulip wharf
@low hinge Hey, not sure if you are aware but the read more link in the warning seems to be invalid
low hinge
yea im publishing it tonight
abstract yoke
there is some math bug where it is limiting this number
nm, it's ignoring when i put in numbers that are bigger than my max bid
fathom dust
.-.
sly pagoda
owo it's kode
somber iris
'ello
somber iris
what's wrong
fathom dust
mantaro dev?
somber iris
yes
somber iris
ah lmao
sly pagoda
video game character
fathom dust
I feel like an ant
fathom dust
video game character
oh lmao
sly pagoda
we're all ants
somber iris
we're all npcs dw
fathom dust
.-.
somber iris
how is this possible
somber iris
yeah lmao
anyway, 200 impressions for $1 then lol
how does bidding there work
do they just rotate once it was reached
somber iris
what would be a ok cpm 
im clueless on that
sly pagoda
the $ sign needs to go away there
...no? They still bid $5 USD for 1k views, but they only want to spend $1 so 1 / 5 * 1000 = 200 impressions
sly pagoda
what would be a ok cpm <:think:587115577328271380> im clueless on that
Depends, maybe 0.1, 0.2
Really depends what it's worth for you and how much you can spend
somber iris
why are people doing $3 
abstract yoke
min value you can input is $1
abstract yoke
https://discord.com/channels/264445053596991498/571325633498447872/8367271481979...
the UI doesn't let me do that
looks like that person got banned too
sly pagoda
Seems like it's still broken on slot 1
try slot 2
reminder: #557980216883150849 message
abstract yoke
hopefully slot 1 will allow lower values at some point
tawdry kelp
Okay so
Field 1: How much I'm willing to spend per 1000 impressions
Field 2: The max amount of money I'm willing to spend in total
Is this correct
tawdry kelp
Sounds good
abstract yoke
how about making this change
Slot 1: cost per impression ($0.001)
Slot 2: total number of impressions to buy (1000)
Then show the total cost on the button ($1)
abstract yoke
It would be cool if the analyze tab showed us the "CPM" for each auction we've won
hardy imp
Veld, are you positive that impressions will be correctly calculated per product with caching in mind ?
low hinge
@hardy imp the caching will become more dynamic with this change
final sluice
this cpm stuff is confusing me
low hinge
https://support.top.gg/hc/en-us/articles/1500008565702 just finished this explanation doc. lemme know if there's anything confusing
tawdry kelp
java discord library?
For topgg
oak whale
the data hasnt been moved over yet iirc veld saying
oak whale
lmao thats weird
full flicker
why will i pay 102$ then?
oak whale
cc @low hinge whenever you have a second to look at this auctions thing ^
its probably a bug
oak whale
yeah its supposed to link to https://support.top.gg/hc/en-us/articles/1500008565702
low hinge
yeah its supposed to link to https://support.top.gg/hc/en-us/articles/1500008565...
Fixed now
oak whale
thanks! do you know why his bid says 102?
low hinge
Yea, we're using the same bidding structure. Which means that to be able to support cents it's inflated by 2 0's
oak whale
ah so he doesnt actually have to pay 102?
low hinge
no
oak whale
youre the best veld
jagged basalt
Ohhh
This is fucking big brain idea Veld
But you know what is more brain?
veld.space API
low hinge
man
you know what is a big brain idea?
optimizing analytics
they time out sometimes still
tawdry kelp
True
low hinge
I really want to do it
tawdry kelp
Hasn't worked at all for me today
low hinge
but it'll break stuff
tawdry kelp
It just times out after a while
low hinge
yea
low hinge
Yep
tawdry kelp
Still not working
low hinge
that's what im gonna do after this test
well
not billing
but being able to top-up your balance on auctions
jagged basalt
Why no bill
low hinge
what would billing even do
jagged basalt
Make me forget about having to pay if it did it for me
low hinge
but the idea of being able to top up your wallet is that it automatically grabs from your wallet
jagged basalt
Is it like you'd link up a card or would you have to put money into a top.gg "wallet" to pull from?
low hinge
I mean
one of the reasons for this CPM bids is that it also solves that issue
if one person doesn't pay, your bid still stands.
The third person would still need to pay because there's no winners
just priority
jagged basalt
Ye so CPM bids is basically you automatically get the promotion spot until you run out of the budget right? And it charges per click?
low hinge
Per 1000 impressions
jagged basalt
I read the article on it but still not too sure
Ahh gotcha
So per 1000 impressions it charges the CPM rate until it hits the budget, gotcha
low hinge
yes
jagged basalt
That's pretty smart because it offers everyone a chance
low hinge
exactly
neat valley
LOL
low hinge
someone like Groovy might want a lot of impressions for a lower price
jagged basalt
Plus I'm sure people got tired of being bought out from bot devs whk would pay $500-2700 per spot
jagged basalt
Billie outbid Brentzy and I 😩
neat valley
paying per CPM
jagged basalt
I'd 😳
low hinge
hit me up if you like building realtime systems
neat valley
hit me up if you like building realtime systems
bro
i have no experience
i just know how to spend money
😭
neat valley
i always wondered why u dont use Stripe or sum
low hinge
Taxes
neat valley
😳
low hinge
Declaring taxes in every country available requires a lot of scale
low hinge
It's complicated because we're an EU based company
neat valley
OH
yea ik nothing
i just incorporated in deleware
so much easier
& favourable tax rates
@low hinge Ur looking to make smth like Google Adwords?
low hinge
We did some research into different kind of systems
for now I'll let you enjoy the journey ⛵
It's all still very much trying things out and doing things that click
neat valley
Also, planning to add a credit/wallet based system or nah?
low hinge
but being able to top-up your balance on auctions
^
neat valley
Having a CC Saved
Dangerous AF according to PCI Compliance
it's a pain in the ass u gotta get some1 from every major card network to review ur shit
credit/wallet would be nice with a set limit to prevent fraudulent payments
or like g ads does if u attempt to do a lot it'll throw ur acc into manual review
solid granite
I think I just caused top.gg to go down by paying for my auction a bit late 
Oh shit nvm there it go
lilac copper
wish you picked any tag besides top to test on 
solid granite
wish you picked any tag besides top to test on <:LUL:450970638706933760>
I used the Soundboard tag, and bam, gone 
lilac copper
talking about the new system veld is testing, idk what you're talking about
solid granite
ah shi my b
full flicker
oh hi mel
reef saffron
are we able to bid with cents on the new system?
fathom dust
are we able to bid with cents on the new system?
yes
reef saffron
cool
neat valley
can't wait for people to be outbid by a cent
round lily
instead of bid races in $50 increments, it'll be in 1 cent increments, much better
reef saffron
normal will still have the full number thing
oak whale
Why do the 2 numbers mean?
#auctions-support message
cinder hawk
so ad just goes untill youget all the impressions?
astral moat
or the week ends
abstract yoke
Is the new system still going to end auctions every week or will we be able to update our bids at any time?
oak whale
currently still per week
abstract yoke
Any plans to make it so we can update our bids at any time? The way google does it is by having a daily spending limit and a cost limit per click. These can be changed at any time.
oak whale
only veld would be able to answer that
jagged basalt
so my current understanding is that someone keeps their ad spot until the impressions have been met for their budget
then it goes down to the next highest person willing to pay for CPM with their budget?
oak whale
yes
jagged basalt
and what if someone fails to pay within those 12 hours, they keep their ad spot for an additional 12 hours and is not promptly switched to the next highest bidder?
I'm assuming this is why Veld wants to introduce a wallet system
oak whale
you pay the same way right now, the 12 hours after bidding ends
so you pay before your ad goes up, same as normal
jagged basalt
ah, okay that's good to hear then
astral moat
cinder hawk
Veld idk wtf you did but my bot is getting lots of clicks 
thanks
fathom dust
Veld idk wtf you did but my bot is getting lots of clicks <:notlikenoot:58588438...
Mine too🙃
Stream Tag already 2000 impressions and 91 clicks
cinder hawk
Social is at 1700 and 125
sly pagoda
for now I'll remove ur bids until after I am done with the manual
Are you still planning to do this?
Because mine is still there on both slot 1 and 2
low hinge
oh yea
sorry
been fighting all night with this dumb migration thing
I literally ended up forking the repo and adding typescript support
jagged basalt
I literally ended up forking the repo and adding typescript support
mood
twilit raven
Hi
low hinge
storm pewter
Hello 👋
late aurora
Hi
exotic pawn
Hello
green burrow
Hi
exotic pawn
how are you?
green burrow
I am good what about you?
exotic pawn
I'm fine too, thanks
neat valley
hi
neat valley
İ have no idea how i get this
low hinge
you applied
jagged basalt
shell yew
@copper matrix ping
spring forum
what is the top page slot one?
sly pagoda
copper matrix
bug: the text is white so you can't see it 
shell yew
neat valley
omfg
me after outbidding them by $1
knowing they cant do shit cuz they're max bid is $2500
🤣
@pseudo cedar sorry 😅
spring forum
lmfao
violet sand
knowing they cant do shit cuz they're max bid is $2500
you can get your limit increased
cinder hawk
nik prob has like no limitlol
violet sand
if you have proof of actually having a genuine budget then you can DM veld iirc
its just there to prevent the same incident that happened a while ago that ended up with top.gg effectively losing 10k
cinder hawk
ig so but for example
if i bid 10k and veld knows i wont pay
he would cancel it?
and it gets normal?
violet sand
well you cant bid more than 2.5k
cinder hawk
in the old system i mean
violet sand
iirc veld would have cancelled the bid but also banned you from auctions
cinder hawk
yeah ig so
violet sand
the guy that caused top.gg to lose 10k a while ago even got banned from the entire service
cinder hawk
did topgg actually lose 10k though?
violet sand
yea
cinder hawk
so it went till end of auctions?
violet sand
it was actually at the very end of auctions
violet sand
two big bots were bidding each other up to get 1st place (up to 10k)
cinder hawk
thats kinda unfair id say
cuz they had to pay a lot more
bc some random person bid an absurd amount
violet sand
they bid 10.1k when both big bots were at 10k while stating that they werent intending to pay it
violet sand
the bid by the random guy was quickly removed but it was too late as the auction had already ended
the second big bot refused to pay the 10k afterwards iirc
cinder hawk
mhm
it was groovy & mee6 100% lmao
cuz rythm was old version
and dank memer never bids too much
violet sand
i'm not sure if it was mee6/groovy or mee6/rythm
pseudo cedar
it was groovy & mee6 100% lmao
Definitely wasn't me
jagged basalt
Why would someone bid $10k as a big bot owner to not pay at 2nd place
Oh it was mee6
why am I not surprised
sterile kernel
Hey
neat valley
Hai
frank harness
at what hour do votes reset?
violet sand
at what hour do votes reset?
as soon as GMT crosses to the next month
so in 3.5 hours
frank harness
thank you!
candid lily
candid lily
that's the role name
crystal cobalt
why tester?
neat valley
i have no idea how i get that lol
violet sand
why not?
hardy imp
is it suppoed to only show slot 1 ? What happened to slot 2
violet sand
scroll down in the search bar thingy
iirc it doesnt have impression data so its showing at the very bottom
hardy imp
ah all the way at the bottom ty
honest marsh
it lets noobs waayyy overpay because it slices it into smaller chuncks
and they dont understand what they are doing most likely
ppl paying 15$ per 1000 impressions, come on
top tag was going for 500$-600$ with 330k impressions
so around 1.5$ per 1000
now sure if you are smaller and want to get the small budget through, you might do 2,3,4 even 5-6
but 15?
and in general its not so clear how much time the ad will be up, etc
violet sand
i agree with people completely overpaying rn, but we'll have to wait for the full data until monday
you do see how much time your ad will effectively be up for though
since you get a impression count etc
rigid knoll
Statistically speaking, the impressions setup now is worse for you the developer paying
for top.gg it'll likely mean more profits
violet sand
its worse and better for the developer
its worse for bots with big budgets as they now have to very likely share the cake
its better for small bots what only bid with their vote credits because they at least get something compared to 0
rigid knoll
true, though that only works when people arent massively overpaying in the first place 
sly pagoda
Thanks
low hinge
oh i thought you only asked for the first one
sly pagoda
I asked to remove my bids before cents worked
south shore
@low hinge Could you remove mine from earlier this week as well?
brazen prairie
@neat valley big fan
brazen prairie
henlo
lapis mural
Hi
distant sparrow
Hiie!
distant sparrow
Yeah should be
rocky ether
rocky ether
@brazen prairie Explain, wtf?
dense zephyr
Don’t worry about that you won’t be paying $1600
dense zephyr
The max you’ll be charged
dense zephyr
Yea
rocky ether
Alright. I was pissing myself
dense zephyr
😂
neat valley
Please enter and verify your phone number
This helps us prevent abuse of the auction system.
Country code
Phone Number
me bruh
i forget my phone
low hinge
this is a visual bug with the new tests
rocky ether
Aright.
low hinge
Hi gamers im pushing a really large backend update to better fit the new tests into the backend 
full flicker
...
distant sparrow
Cool hope auctions work properly
distant sparrow
I also dont understand if there are bugs then why auction is still running??
astral moat
Cuz you can slap the word beta on something and it doesn’t matter
distant sparrow
Hehhe yeah but the website doesnt reflect that auction is beta . There are lots of people who dont know it :)
low hinge
I also dont understand if there are bugs then why auction is still running??
Keep in mind I mentioned 4 hours ago that I did a massive backend update, ofcourse there will be a few small things I had overseen.
The reason why it's still running is because the majority of the system has been tested and works.
distant sparrow
Keep in mind I mentioned 4 hours ago that I did a massive backend update, ofcour...
Yes I know that u did mention read the ping but what about the people who directly query how to advertise on website , the reason why I said it was maybe some small note on site should also be there . Just a fyi for people :)
rocky ether
What is the CPM in $0.5 USD CPM
low hinge
CPM = cost per mille = cost per 1000 views
reef saffron
I love how people pay 10$ for 500 views
rigid knoll
@hexed iron how it do
hexed iron
soon™️
i've no idea what i'm going to do 
i usually do an event for every 10k milestone but i'm lost for this one 
rigid knoll
i usually do an event for every 10k milestone but i'm lost for this one <:Think:...
Do a video 👀
hexed iron
i've pretty busy with college, work & commissions + minecraft for that 
videos take wayyy too long
rigid knoll
but videos 
hexed iron
it took a while to make also i didn't see this ping until now
how's crunchybot going? @rigid knoll
Much code to do though
rigid knoll
changed domains now though
hexed iron
oh?
rigid knoll
Cloudflare charged my £16 to transfer the old domain then i canceled it cuz didnt think it was gonna transfer before it expired. but they kept the £££
so now basically old site is @ legacy.crunchy.gg
all of my nice search engine results are oofed though
hexed iron
rigid knoll
idk where it got that description from though
rigid knoll
shame it'll take ages to linkup the backend
the search works now atleast although not deployed
user profile area is sorta? done
but i dont like how it looks
rigid knoll
Hopefully it'll just mean it wont take much to maintain later on
cuz come September ill have more pressing stuff to deal with
like not getting stabbed in london 
rigid knoll
moving to
rigid knoll
If i had the choice i certainly wouldnt live in london Im a country boy so cities spooky me
hexed iron
i prefer cities even though i live in the country side rn
violet sand
i think, 27.5 - not 100% sure though
elfin turret
i think, 27.5 - not 100% sure though
27.5? are u talking to me?
neat valley
i am gonna bid something random in bids lol
distant sparrow
i am gonna bid something random in bids lol
Out bid me in server top page xD
tight bough
oo
rocky ether
for the top spot, like 1 and 2, it doesn't show my product on the page so I lost it.
But it says it's still an active bid.
astral moat
Read #557980216883150849
Top page is new bidding style
Multiple bots/servers will be rotated through the ad spot throughout the week
distant sparrow
When are we suppose to pay for CPM? I have already added my server to top page CPM and as far I can remember from document the max limit is to be paid upfront and any extra impressions gained to be paid later.
But the billing page doesnt reflect any items or bids that can paid be rn.
So for CPM also the payment is enabled once all other bidding end the usual way which we have?
low hinge
The payment happens once the auction ends
distant sparrow
Ok
low hinge
we can't calculate your impressions now because people might still bid
distant sparrow
Yes makes sense
reef saffron
does it even matter. since you pay per 1000
distant sparrow
Yeah but for them it would be easy to be sure how many servers they need to promote this week by cpm
So after bidding is complete that can be a final cut off I guess
For no of servers that are to be advertised and also check the payments
honest marsh
CPM bidding = sucks
and seems like people dont actually understand what they are doing since they are offering 25$ per 1000 CPM
if you calculate the previous top page cpm, you see its around 1.5$-2$
so even if u just wanna try it out, get in front, you offer 3-4-5-6 even 7-8 for a small amount
for 15-25 $
either its just to try it out because its new, or they completely dont understand what they are doing
barren coyote
i like your funny words magic man
worn venture
Or they just have a small budget (or credits only) and just go for a small period of time on a better tag which they are likely to get with that cpm ^^
Compared to before where you wouldn't even have the chance to get any ad space on that tag with that budget
worn venture
I like it tbh. And these 15/25 cpm are gone in no time anyways on bigger tags ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sly pagoda
301000 (avg. weekly impressions) / 7 (days a week) / 24 (hours a day) results in 1791 impressions an hour
distant sparrow
Interesting
reef saffron
still sucks imo
take it the posstive way. With these people wasting their money you can get more for cheaper.
low hinge
dude
im so happy
I finally was able to squeeze in unit tests into the core flow
literally pogging now
neat valley
full flicker
Wow
neat valley
that is true
yea top.gg being weird this month. idk why but by bot invites fell rapidly this month
honest marsh
take it the posstive way. With these people wasting their money you can get more...
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reef saffron
low hinge
you'll never guess how much effort it was to test these three modules
neat valley
honest marsh
you'll never guess how much effort it was to test these three modules
i feel you, from experience
fathom dust
200 USD on pokémon tag makes me cry
rugged marlin
So what happens when the bidding budget runs out early in the week for the CPM style bids?
Let's say for example we're in a scenario where only $500 total was bid by various bidders for an average CPM of $5 meaning after 100k impressions all the budget of all the bidders is used up.
Let's say this happens on Day 1 hypothetically - what happens next?
rigid knoll
probably just sit there going 😕
rugged marlin
It's confusing due to the wording in the article which states that the cycle of looping through bidders ends when "there are no more impressions or there are no more bids" but at the same time it states "if you end up getting more impressions you will have to pay for them" indicating that maybe the cycle continues and people just get placed back into a loop starting from top CPM bidder to lowest CPM bidder?
What's even more confusing is why people are being forced to pay more than their allotted budget for the auction. If someone wants to spend $100 maximum, but there's not enough bids, it seems like the wording states that they may end up getting extra impression and "pay the extra amount afterwards" - we need an option to opt out of this because some may not want to spend more than their budget.
but I'm more concerned with my first question above of what happens if the total auction budget gets eaten up on day 1 for example, what happens next?
low hinge
but I'm more concerned with my first question above of what happens if the total auction budget gets eaten up on day 1 for example, what happens next?
If all impressions are done, we don't show any ad.
And then the next week the impression estimation gets updated
rugged marlin
i think you meant bids there, in that case, when do people get charged for extra impressions?
low hinge
you know how there's a max limit?
rugged marlin
yes
low hinge
We cannot guarantee that the impressions we estimate are going to be there
so we only make you pay for the estimated
e.g.
you bid for 100k impressions
but we only can serve 80k estimated
astral moat
You can’t guarantee they will be there, but you can guarantee it will stop when you reach your limit...
rugged marlin
ah okay i see
rugged marlin
"If you receive more impressions than previously estimated, we ask you to pay the additional amount afterwards,"
Chris this makes it seem like it doesn't guarantee it stops when you reach your limit
astral moat
So you’re charging upfront based on estimate? And not just collecting from everyone
low hinge
No, there's 3 different things
there's estimated impressions = the impressions you see on the auctions site on each tag
there's your impression budget = the impressions you set your limit for
and then there's the actual impressions
which is the amount of eyes you will get on your ad
rugged marlin
When you set your impression budget (eg; $10 CPM, max $100 budget, indicating 10k impression desired), doesn't the system rotate you OUT when you hit 10k impressions?
astral moat
When you bid
rugged marlin
How does 'actual impressions' differ from the limit you set for your ad? Shouldn't it just remove your ad once you hit 10k impressions?
Why would the ad stay up once we hit our limit and end up charging us more down the road if we only wanted 10k hits
that seems to make the budget limit arbitrary
we wouldn't know if we're going to get charged just a little bit more, eg; 11k impressions, or a lot more, perhaps 20k impressions which is double our budget, how does the system decide and is it really right to force that on us to pay outside our budget?
(that question is for Veld - I think Chris you and I agree that there is some discrepancy here with the budget and impressions)
astral moat
Unless you’re saying you only charge part of our limit if the estimated impressions (what we see when placing bid on a specific tag) is lower than how many impressions we wanna buy
rugged marlin
No that's not how the description page describes it, so we need clarification from Veld here.
Here's how the CPM style was described:
"we allow everyone to set a spending limit with their bid. Then we fall back to the next advertisement when the spending limit has been reached."
"The highest bidder will always get the impressions first until they run out of budget. Then, the next highest bidder will receive the spot. This goes on until there are no more impressions"
astral moat
If you bid $1 CPM with limit of $10. (So 10k impressions) but the estimated impressions for that tag is 5k, will we be charged $10 when auctions end or $5
And then if actual impressions grow past 5k, we will be asked to pay up to our limit
Sounds like this might be the case
rugged marlin
Chris some of your questions are answered here already: https://support.top.gg/hc/en-us/articles/1500008565702
You get credited back the money if you don't get the impressions.
However I still want to know in what scenario we'd get extra impressions from and how the system determines how much extra to give us since apparently it wont rotate out our ad when we hit our budget spend?
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This is the phrase I'm concerned with:
"If you receive more impressions than previously estimated, we ask you to pay the additional amount afterwards,"
In what scenario does this happen? I thought our ad gets cancelled when we hit our spend, so how does the system ever give us more, what is the decision process on the backend to allow extra impressions?
astral moat
That’s why I’m saying maybe you aren’t charged your limit upfront
If the estimated impressions is smaller than how many impressions you bid for originally
final sluice
just wait and see when auctions end
astral moat
But the actual impressions turns out to be greater than estimate
rugged marlin
lol justin, 'just wait and see' does not work when the answers to these questions would determine how much I bid and what my CPM/budget is 😛
we depend on this traffic so we need to participate in the auction, can't skip it totally, and this new system seems pretty interesting, just want to get a better sense of how it works incase we end up needing to pay additional funds, to be prepared for it
final sluice
you won't pay more than your max
astral moat
Right
In my scenario it makes sense
It’s all dependent on who bids higher than you also
That’s why some additional info would be nice on the bid page. Like how many impressions total are being bid for at the moment
Instead of us having to go through each bid and calculate
neat valley
nvm seems like
i got no hope to win front page this week
with Rythm and Groovy online 😩
rigid knoll
lets face it, you probably never had a chance to begin with 
neat valley
lets face it, you probably never had a chance to begin with <:mmLol:356831697385...
LMFAO fr 😭
pseudo cedar
{
"id": 76735,
"paymentId": null,
"auctionID": 1961,
"promotedID": "cHJvZHVjdDo0Mw",
"amount": 2502,
"limit": null,
"time": "2021-05-02T16:03:59.000Z",
"paid": false,
"userID": "117371014895239172",
"active": false,
"outbid": null,
"createdAt": "2021-05-02T16:03:59.000Z",
"updatedAt": "2021-05-02T16:03:59.000Z"
}```
were oliy and tonkku just constantly fighting about whether to do userID or userId? There's inconsistencies like this all over topggLOOL
distant sparrow
lol justin, 'just wait and see' does not work when the answers to these question...
good qstns , i had the same doubts ngl
low hinge
```json
{
"id": 76735,
"paymentId": null,
"auctionID": 196...
no I use Id because that's how you're supposed to write it down 
abstract yoke
```json
{
"id": 76735,
"paymentId": null,
"auctionID": 196...
The rule is make the second letter lowercase.
low hinge
I will slowly replace the IDs
the reason why you use Id for camelcase is to keep it easily interchangible for snake_case
pseudo cedar
I mean, i dont think there's any globally agreed upon standard
low hinge
which used to be the JSON api standard casing
pseudo cedar
```json
{
"id": 76735,
"paymentId": null,
"auctionID": 196...
😡
pseudo cedar
veld this is IMPORTANT
low hinge
by doing this
pseudo cedar
so its not even like you have to give breaking change warnings
sure vel
d
show me something super epic
pseudo cedar
veld
low hinge
don't ask
I spent my entire weekend cleaning up this codebase
and even now I still need to mock 200 lines of code
I'm very happy I can do unit tests now
harsh monolith
Is this a bug or did I miss something? https://uwu.rip/k2v.png
low hinge
oh
low hinge
I think there was some delay in the generation of the new auctions last week
abstract yoke
add this checkstyle rule to make sure abbreviation are not uppercased
https://checkstyle.sourceforge.io/apidocs/com/puppycrawl/tools/checkstyle/checks/naming/AbbreviationAsWordInNameCheck.html
low hinge
"OK"
low hinge
gross
pseudo cedar
finals should be uppercase
wtf
glossy quiver
lol
low hinge
Atleast it's not ios
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neat valley
i can't bid with two products on one tag?
harsh monolith
hold on why do auctions end in 13 mins
oopsie woopsie
glossy quiver
bcuz they do 
neat valley
ahh gotchu
glossy quiver
yeah but the timer prolly messed up with the backend issues atm
honest marsh
yeah :/
final sluice
he's a good man
fathom dust
he's a good man
does he bids for like, anyone's bots?
cause pretty sure does bots aren't his
final sluice
secret
warm marlin
Can anyone answer that question for me?
fathom dust
Can anyone answer that question for me?
#auctions-support is better
