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oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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async function getSelfroles(client, guild) {
    let data = await models.guild.findOne({ guildID: guild.id });
    return data.selfroles;
}```

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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I manually do ctrl+s after everything I type so I never worry Xd

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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i guess i dont really need to pass client do it

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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hell yeah xiuh

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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do i*

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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You could make that shorter

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mmLol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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no you don't need client OR the guild object

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just pass guildId

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:41 AM

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oh true

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work smarter not harder

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:42 AM

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async function getSelfroles(client, guild) {
    return (await models.guild.findOne({ guildID: guild.id })).selfroles
}```

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This works doesn't it Dylan?

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:42 AM

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yes we must one line EVERYTHING

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:42 AM

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export const GET_GUILD_SELFROLES_BY_GUILD_ID = (guildID) => models.guild.findOne({ guildID }).selfroles;```

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:42 AM

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I don't remember I haven't used js in a while

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:42 AM

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what

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i can read that but barely

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lmao

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:43 AM

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You don't need the async/await btw

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Since it

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s already a promise

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:43 AM

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I mean saving the result to a variable is useless if all you're going to do is returns prop from it

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:43 AM

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oh true

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:43 AM

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there

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edited

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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async function getSelfroles(guildID) {
    return models.guild.findOne({ guildID: guildID }).selfroles
}

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?

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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yeah

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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i plan on having a bunch of functions in this file and exporting them all

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into client.functions

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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I personally like all caps for mongo methods so I can easily spot then in code blocks

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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weirdo

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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i never had problems with it, it doesnt auto-save, but saves the in-progress changes in the session, so next time you open it, the changes are still there

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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is it better to export them one by one or all at once

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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That's a personal thing

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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my old functions folder has this:

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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I like barrel exporting/importing and only importing what I ened

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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KEKW

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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So I export everything by itself

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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How do you even do a barrel file in normal js

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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ill get to condense that a lot this go round danceDuckFluff

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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I literally have never coded normal js

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so idk how exports work in it

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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i feel so much more confident as a coder than i did when i first wrote una a year ago

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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I went straight from C++ to TS

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:45 AM

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I did ages ago but I didn't know barrel files were a thing until ts

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KEKW

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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oak cliff i feel so much more confident as a coder than i did when i first wrote una a yea...

Hell yeha we celebrate these wins

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LETSFUCKINGGO

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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Just wait until you make a dashboard if you haven't already xiuh

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mmLol

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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i dont know

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ANY

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web dev

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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Same

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I just know backend

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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people that make dashboards do them all wrong and insecure I feel

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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my website right now is made with carrd LMAO

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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I haven't even finished mine out of being scared

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:46 AM

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Dylan shut up

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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and i have all my jwt stuff done 😭

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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I've seen your bot's dashboard

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it is 10/10

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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Oh really? Where.

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Go on

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What dashboard

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link it rn

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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btw is this correct

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i couldnt find a list of PermissionFlagsBits

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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round cove link it rn

I don't know the link to it

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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Oh interesting

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Is that a d.js thing?

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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im using the discord.js slashcommandsbuilder yeah

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:47 AM

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But i've seen it during your streams

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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sharp geyser But i've seen it during your streams

you've probably seen the main site not the dashboard. https://rolebot.gg

RoleBot - A reaction role Discord bot

Use RoleBot to manage your Discord servers react roles.

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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the example has KickMembers and BanMembers but then i couldnt find a list of all of them in terms of "permissionFlagsBits"

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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ads ads ads

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!!!

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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banned

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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ah

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Honestly I just call anything bot related a dashboard at this point

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mmLol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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oak cliff the example has KickMembers and BanMembers but then i couldnt find a list of all...

I handle permissions myself in each command I didn't know they added perms for slash commands finally

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:48 AM

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they did yeah with the most recent update

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:49 AM

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oak cliff btw is this correct

looks correct

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:49 AM

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okay cool

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:49 AM

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https://github.com/Uhuh/RoleBot/blob/master/commands/slashCommand.ts#L86

GitHub

RoleBot/slashCommand.ts at master · Uhuh/RoleBot

A bot that helps servers hand out roles easier and faster. - RoleBot/slashCommand.ts at master · Uhuh/RoleBot

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:49 AM

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Yeah very as well as accurate member permissions running the command

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:49 AM

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that method takes in a PermissionResolvable which can be a bit flag

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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oh there it is lmao

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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yeah what the default permission does is hide the command in the list unless they have the perm

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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I might need to change that

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But is that PER command or when generating?

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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uh

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idk?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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round cove https://github.com/Uhuh/RoleBot/blob/master/commands/slashCommand.ts#L86

I’m not sure if isCommand() will be a method in v14 anymore once it’s finally out

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:50 AM

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like you're not making your help command manager server only right

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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oh no this is for the settings command

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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so it's per command then ok

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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iirc they removed all that guards and force you to check the interaction.type yourself now

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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boreal iron I’m not sure if isCommand() will be a method in v14 anymore once it’s finally ou...

lol wtf

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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do i need to await interaction.replys

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:51 AM

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I mean that's not hard with TS typeguards so it's not going to be a big change

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:52 AM

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oak cliff do i need to await interaction.replys

if you want to?

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what's the context

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:52 AM

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well im just returning so i dont thik so

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:52 AM

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round cove lol wtf

The latest build still has the method but the change logs say it’s been removed

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Better don’t ask why

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:52 AM

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i only need to await if i need the code to wait, right

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im so dumb

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:52 AM

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Yes

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If you want that line of code to finish before the code below it runs then yes you need to await it

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:53 AM

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round cove so it's per command then ok

The permissions are accurate to the moment the command being executed

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:53 AM

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async function func() {
  // await..
  await someAsyncFunction();
  //this code has to wait for the above to finish and resolve
  otherfunction();
}```

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:53 AM

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right, gotcha

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i should await like

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db fetches

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:54 AM

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Only if you want to like show the data or want to use that data then and there

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:54 AM

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If they’re async then yes you should

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:54 AM

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You'll see your IDE complain that you're trying to access a promise otherwise.

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If you DON'T need to wait then you can use .then()

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:54 AM

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Imagine using notepad ++

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It will never complain

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I like it

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smirk

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:55 AM

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look into the documentation of tje stuff you use, if they return a Promise, they need awaitinf

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:55 AM

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why are they called promises

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i promise this is the right thing you want

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KEKW

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:55 AM

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function func() {
  // some promise 
  someAsyncFunction()
    .then(data => {
      // do something with data
     });
  //this code doesn't have to wait
  otherfunction();
}```

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:55 AM

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cause they promise to do what you want

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:55 AM

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because they promise to return the value sometime in the future

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but not right now

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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sharp geyser cause they promise to do what you want

wrong

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they can throw

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viviooaahh

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then we cry

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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that is when you throw back

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use them hands

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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lmfao

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✊

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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lol

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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you tell me to check out prisma but now I have a new problem dylan

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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Yes loop the promise until it returns what you want

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:56 AM

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sharp geyser you tell me to check out prisma but now I have a new problem dylan

?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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idk what the fuck to make

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mmLol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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OMEGALUL

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random number api

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OMEGALUL

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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prisma bad

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use lmdb :^)

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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hot tim take incoming

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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quartz kindle use lmdb :^)

I will use csv

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dont make me

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:57 AM

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lmao

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how about

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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sharp geyser idk what the fuck to make

You could take one of Tim’s 2791 queued projects

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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an image-based storage

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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freerealestate

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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I will just finish tims astrology api

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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that stores data in png files

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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so we can finally use it

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 AM

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as binary

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ans then you open tje image to see how your data looks like

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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tim's api coming soon in 2025

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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sharp geyser I will just finish tims astrology api

It will never be

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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@oak cliff any other Qs?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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do you have any more As?

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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for (const key in settings) {
        if (data[key] !== settings[key]) {
            data[key] = settings[key];
        };
    };

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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only QTs

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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this will update my thing correctly right?

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its what i had before but im not sure if i understand what its saying properly

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 1:59 AM

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cring

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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i think i just copied it for

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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show more of the code and where data is coming from

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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from

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a tutorial

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KEKW

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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lol

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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i know im a bad child

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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Can’t be wrong then

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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okay so i am creating an "updateselfroles" function

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ill pass the guildID and the new selfroles array

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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can't you just use the normal update method mongo provides?

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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yes

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the push method

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:00 AM

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this is the old function

async function updateSelfroles(client, guild, settings) {
    let data = await client.functions.getSelfroles(client, guild);

    if (typeof data !== 'object') data = {};
    for (const key in settings) {
        if (data[key] !== settings[key]) {
            data[key] = settings[key];
        };
    };

    console.log(`[${data.guildID}] updated SELFROLE settings.`);
    return await data.updateOne(settings);
};

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:01 AM

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👀

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:01 AM

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I ltierally have the code here

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:01 AM

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That is way cleaner

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:01 AM

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ghostie_what_wow

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:01 AM

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Keep in mind my joinRoles property is a string array. I don't know what your selfroles property is.

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I assume it's also an array of just role IDs

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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a string array yeah

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Cool

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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of role IDs yeah

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Then yeah my code is what you want

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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dylan spoon feeding

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smh

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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sorry

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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just kidding

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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she's making MY bot

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Lmfaooo

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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okay so the first {} is what im searching for

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the second {} is what im updating

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and im noT MAKING YOUR BOT

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Yes

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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mines DIFRFERENT

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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my bad

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Lol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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partnership time?!?! Una X RoleBot???

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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wait so you don't need to specify what key youre searching for?

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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rolebot hit 3300+ recently

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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you have just { guildID}

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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oak cliff wait so you don't need to specify what key youre searching for?

what key

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yes

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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and not {guildID: guildID}

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is it cause its the indexed thing

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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In JS if the object name si the same as the property you don't have to do that

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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OOH

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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round cove partnership time?!?! Una X RoleBot???

Fastest bot review process ever guaranteed

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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Xiuh's first dev question in development wew

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xiuh you very old member

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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xig accepted my bot back in 2018 or something

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:03 AM

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i remember that issue

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it fucking SUCXKED

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never figured it out

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wait so can i do this models.guild.findOne({ guildID }).selfroles

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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lol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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no

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What are you trying to do with that

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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i have to put { guildID: guildID} ?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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no

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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no

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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im just confused when i have to specify the key

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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but you are doing .selfroles on a promise

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mmLol

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:04 AM

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you dont if the variable is the same

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I thought you were trying to update selfroles there

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If you were you're wrong

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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thats from earlier

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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if not the finding is fine

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yeah that's fine

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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async function getSelfroles(guildID) {
    return models.guild.findOne({ guildID }).selfroles
}```

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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yeah that's fine

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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ah

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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thats pog

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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ye that is fine I was confused for a sec sorry xiuh

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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okay

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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mmLol

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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Promiseee

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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sorry im dumb

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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no you're not

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you're LEARNING first of all

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i just misunderstood what youw ere asking

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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wait dylan am I dumb or shouldn't that error?

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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await it

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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sharp geyser wait dylan am I dumb or shouldn't that error?

you're smart that's why I bully you

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:05 AM

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what does $each mean

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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until the promise is awaited wont .selfroles error?

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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It won't error it'll probably just say undefined

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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oak cliff what does $each mean

For each element in the array you pass in, int his case we only passed in a single element

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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well yea

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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sharp geyser until the promise is awaited wont .selfroles error?

TRUE

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basedbasedbased

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sorry that was weird

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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do i need to do return await models.guild.findOne

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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lol

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:06 AM

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yea you just return the promise entirely

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and probably await it when calling the func

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:07 AM

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return (await get())?.selfroles

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:07 AM

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my snippet above shows if you pass the property you want found from the object it'll return it when the promise resolves

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:07 AM

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round cove

what

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im confused again

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:07 AM

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selfroles doesn't exist on a promise so you have to await ti first

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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so this?

async function getSelfroles(guildID) {
    return await models.guild.findOne({ guildID }).selfroles
}

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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async function getSelfroles(guildID) {
    return (await models.guild.findOne({ guildID })).selfroles
}

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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oak cliff what

joinRoles is the property on my guild object, so I find by guild Id and return the joinRoles array from it

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removes the need for async func

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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oak cliff so this? ```js async function getSelfroles(guildID) { return await models.g...

wrap it in parans and then yes

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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Use ?. since it might not find it by guild id unless you're sure it exists

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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oh so i could do this:

async function getSelfroles(guildID) {
    return models.guild.findOne({ guildID }, 'selfroles')
}

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:08 AM

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yes

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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and that just returns the selfroles property

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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right

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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An object that has the property

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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when i call the function, i need to await it

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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This is why dylan is handling this

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I didn't even know you could do that in mongo

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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oak cliff when i call the function, i need to await it

yes

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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ok

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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mmLol

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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const selfsettings = await client.functions.getSelfroles(interaction.guild.id);

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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It's projection

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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sharp geyser I didn't even know you could do that in mongo

i haven't touched mongo in awhile im just quopting old dylan

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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then "selfsettings" will be the array of roleIDs

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:09 AM

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ok

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i here

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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oak cliff then "selfsettings" will be the array of roleIDs

should be yes

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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big brain

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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It returns an object that has selfroles

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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ashen orbit i here

Ok so basically you want to listen for a GET request to a specific route and then send a specific .html file on request to that route...

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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Use selfsettings.selfroles

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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you can use express for that

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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ah

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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infinity free isn't hosting right?

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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it is

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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pale vessel Use selfsettings.selfroles

Wait what, that just seems dumb

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:10 AM

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It's for only grabbing specific properties

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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like this ?

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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pale vessel It returns an object that has selfroles

yes

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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Yea but if you are grabbing it won't you just get the values

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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If you want to mutate the result you'd have to aggregate them

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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ashen orbit it is

can you host a webserver on it?

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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what does the ? do?

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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im using it for mt websitre

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i dont have any other hosting

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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i have to leave but maybe someone here more experienced with infinityfree could help you

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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it means if it's null it'll not crash and ignore it

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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ok

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guys

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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oak cliff what does the ? do?

basically tells it that it can possibly be null/undefined

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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but it shouldnt be null right

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cause you set a default

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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how the FUCK is there 40240320 convos goin on in here

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:11 AM

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how to host my domain with nodejs

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:12 AM

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someone jump into VC

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:12 AM

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if you know it exists then you dont

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Account got banned

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😔

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:12 AM

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how do i host my website with nodejs

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ive got a domain

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:12 AM

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async function updateSelfroles(guildID, roleID) {
    return models.guild.findOneAndUpdate(
        { guildID },
        { $push: {
            selfroles: {
                $each: [roleID]
            }
        }}
    );
};```

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:12 AM

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<MMIST?

real rose Jul 16, 2022, 2:16 AM

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ou everyone spying

ashen orbit Jul 16, 2022, 2:18 AM

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hey

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how do i host my website with nodejs

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 2:20 AM

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https://mongoplayground.net/

Mongo playground

Mongo playground: a simple sandbox to test and share MongoDB queries online

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:25 AM

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https://discordjs.guide/interactions/slash-commands.html#member-permissions

discord.js Guide

Imagine a guide... that explores the many possibilities for your discord.js bot.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:26 AM

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https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/stable/class/Permissions

Discord.js

Discord.js is a powerful node.js module that allows you to interact with the Discord API very easily. It takes a much more object-oriented approach than most other JS Discord libraries, making your bot's code significantly tidier and easier to comprehend.

oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:26 AM

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https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/main/class/PermissionsBitField?scrollTo=s-Flags

Discord.js

Discord.js is a powerful node.js module that allows you to interact with the Discord API very easily. It takes a much more object-oriented approach than most other JS Discord libraries, making your bot's code significantly tidier and easier to comprehend.

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 2:27 AM

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battle of the documentation

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:30 AM

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lmao

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:31 AM

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oak cliff https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/main/class/PermissionsBitField?scrollTo...

They changed their flags to pascal case in v14

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Be aware

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:38 AM

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oak cliff Jul 16, 2022, 2:41 AM

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sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 2:41 AM

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// This is your Prisma schema file,
// learn more about it in the docs: https://pris.ly/d/prisma-schema

generator client {
  provider = "prisma-client-js"
}

datasource db {
  provider = "postgresql"
  url      = env("DATABASE_URL")
}

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 2:43 AM

#

#

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:59 AM

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Oof Dylan using the builders pepowot

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 3:00 AM

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?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:01 AM

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MessageSelectMenu constructor

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Which is part of the builder tools

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Why if you can easily use an object 😮

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 3:02 AM

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fuck that

pale vessel Jul 16, 2022, 3:02 AM

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https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/main/typedef/InteractionReplyOptions

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https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/main/class/SelectMenuInteraction?scrollTo=values

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 3:04 AM

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boreal iron Why if you can easily use an object 😮

don't like it?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 3:04 AM

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https://discordjs.guide/interactions/select-menus.html#multi-select-menus

discord.js Guide

Imagine a guide... that explores the many possibilities for your discord.js bot.

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:07 AM

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round cove don't like it?

Don’t like this?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 3:07 AM

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wtf

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why is it just black

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:08 AM

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Just removed the labels and values okeh

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Top secret stuff KEKW

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 3:09 AM

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boreal iron Don’t like this?

OMEGALUL

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:10 AM

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Well that’s how the API expects it

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No reason to use the continuously changing djs methods to build that

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But I see

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We need some general exorcism in here

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freerealestate

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:13 AM

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round cove <:OMEGALUL:852206447441477643>

Not needed to change it again not even until djs v99

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 3:16 AM

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https://www.prisma.io/docs/concepts/components/prisma-schema/data-model#defining-an-index

Prisma

Data model (Reference)

Learn about the concepts for building your data model with Prisma: Models, scalar types, enums, attributes, functions, IDs, default values and more.

bright hornet Jul 16, 2022, 5:23 AM

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Someone knows how to sort inside of .exec function on mongoose?

 account.find({})
     .exec((err, res) => {
         for (i = 0; i < res.length; i++) {
             if (res.length === 0) {
                 embed.setDescription("NO DATA")
             } else if (res.length > 0) {
                //Over here I wanted to sort bank and cash individually
             }
         }

         message.channel.send({
             embeds: [embed]
         })
     })

bright thorn Jul 16, 2022, 5:39 AM

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anyone can help me in hybride shard

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am unable to send a msg

eternal yarrow Jul 16, 2022, 5:39 AM

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sharp geyser https://www.prisma.io/docs/concepts/components/prisma-schema/data-model#defining...

can anyone tell me, how to discord render such link in embeds

bright thorn Jul 16, 2022, 5:39 AM

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 let evaled = await client.cluster.evalOnCluster(
            (c, ctx) => {
              let guild_name = c.guilds.cache.get(ctx.guild).name;
              c.channels.cache.get("962900407686946876").send({
                  embeds: [
                    new (require("discord.js").MessageEmbed)()
                      .setColor(c.settings.embed_color)
                      .setFooter({ text: `c` })
                      .setDescription(
                        `Removed premium from a guild.\n\nGuild's Name: \`${guild_name}\`\nGuild's ID: \`${ctx.guild}\`\nReason: \`Validity Expired\``
                      ),
                  ],
                });
              return { success: true };
            },
            {
              context: {
                guild: data.id,
              },
              guildId: "827383182630322267",
            }
          );

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:42 AM

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boreal iron Not needed to change it again not even until djs v99

Yeah this is why I didn't use the builders during my rewrite. My first thought was "imma have to redo everything for v14 aren't I?" kekw

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:43 AM

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Haven't had issues so far but yeah v14 isn't out yet.

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:44 AM

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I'm not looking forward to v14 why_ducky it feels like I just upgraded to v13 last week kekw

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:45 AM

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I trust d.js to update accordingly, it's not like they haven't been doing this for awhile so I don't have any issues or qualms.

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Just as easy if discord changes what the request body should be like.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 AM

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dylan you done with your 3m run?

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 AM

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Yeah but I figured if I use the request body instead of the builder at least that's only one way it can change. Either discord can change the request body or djs can change the way builders work so i figured it was one less way it could change darkAYA

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 AM

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sharp geyser dylan you done with your 3m run?

was a walk but yeah only took an hour with 500foot incline

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 AM

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nice nice

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get them steps in

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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the incline is the important part

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yeah 10k steps

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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Pog

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Touching grass

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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planning a trip to Japan in the spring with friends so wanting to be fit, so doing 3mile walks each night.

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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peppapog

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Amazing!

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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3mile walks, eating more protein, eating less in general

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So gotta prep

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 AM

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Nice

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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LETSFUCKINGGO

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Japan aint READY

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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That's gonna be awesome

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In the spring too

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It's gonna be so pretty

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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Yeah I wanna see the cherry blossoms bloom.

eternal yarrow Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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eternal yarrow can anyone tell me, how to discord render such link in embeds

..

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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Fr

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 AM

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They are in such a small window.

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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eternal yarrow can anyone tell me, how to discord render such link in embeds

discord does it

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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That's when I want to go too darkAYA

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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I'll be seeing you there

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😏

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Mac and Dylan meet

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o sheet

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Not this year... 👀 Or maybe I will?

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Yeah that's why I said next Spring

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NEXT year

#

2023

eternal yarrow Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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round cove discord does it

how we control, what discord display on thes eembeds ?

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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Wait when's spring in Japan

eternal yarrow Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 AM

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as you do with top..gg links

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 AM

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Japan is in the northern hemisphere

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So March-April

round cove Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 AM

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eternal yarrow how we control, what discord display on thes eembeds ?

Look up meta tags

rose warren Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 AM

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Yeah that's what I thought it's the same

eternal yarrow Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 AM

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round cove Look up meta tags

ohk

bright hornet Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 AM

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bright hornet Someone knows how to sort inside of `.exec function` on mongoose? ```js accoun...

fixed lmao finally i got the right answer

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:13 AM

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round cove Look up meta tags

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/39bed863c9c44fe489547254ed5d5eba loving prisma so far

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mmLol

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Seems like no one else faced this issue enough to talk about it in the repo either at least I couldn't find it

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:47 AM

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hey guys, i am trying to create a json element that looks like this:

{
variable1 : 0
}``` how would i try to pass that variable1 tho? As i tried ${} and ` marks, but it needs to be a "".

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:51 AM

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pass?

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What exactly are you asking for

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:52 AM

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eternal osprey hey guys, i am trying to create a json element that looks like this: ```js { va...

JSON.stringify(anything)

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:52 AM

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What does that have to do with what they are asking

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:52 AM

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sharp geyser What does that have to do with what they are asking

thay had a object so I guessed they wanna convert it to json

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:52 AM

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 {
        interaction.options._hoistedOptions[1].value : 0
       }``` This won't work because of the . and _. I am finding a way to pass this variable as a new element key.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:53 AM

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but stringifying it doesn't do that

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:53 AM

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near stratus thay had a object so I guessed they wanna convert it to json

No, srry. I think that i didn't explain it that well.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:53 AM

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eternal osprey ```js { interaction.options._hoistedOptions[1].value : 0 }``` Th...

What exactly are you trying to achieve here, I think you are misunderstanding how this works

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:53 AM

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near stratus thay had a object so I guessed they wanna convert it to json

shouldn't that be JSON.parse(). Stringify creates a string of the passed json or am i wrong>?

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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sharp geyser What exactly are you trying to achieve here, I think you are misunderstanding ho...

I am trying to create a key : element in my json file

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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stringify turns it into a stringified json, parse turns it back into a usable json format

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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eternal osprey shouldn't that be JSON.parse(). Stringify creates a string of the passed json or...

stringify makes objects to json

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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near stratus stringify makes objects to json

what?

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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near stratus stringify makes objects to json

it doesn't?

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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sharp geyser what?

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object > json

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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this is the issue i am encountering

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:54 AM

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That is a string dingus

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:55 AM

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sharp geyser That is a string dingus

a json string

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:55 AM

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eternal osprey this is the issue i am encountering

Yes you can't do that in a json file

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that isn't valid json

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:55 AM

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yeah i know, so i am trying to find a way to use that variable as key name

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:55 AM

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What you are trying to achieve can be done by writing the json beforehand and then saving it to the json file

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but I am wondering why you want to even do this in the first place

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:56 AM

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sharp geyser What you are trying to achieve can be done by writing the json beforehand and th...

not really, as some new key names could be used, which wouldn't be in the file.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:56 AM

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Wdym

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If you wanna add anything new then just append to it?

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:57 AM

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for example, /test 5. If the number 5 isn't in the file, it should add it.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:57 AM

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then do so

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mmLol

#

What you wanna achieve can't be done in the json file itself

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:57 AM

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well yes, but i am working with options and for that i need to get that variable name and use it

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:58 AM

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Why are you even saving them to a json file

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:58 AM

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when your machine doesn't support sqlite

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:58 AM

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nvm i fixed it

#

let k =interaction.options._hoistedOptions[1].value ```

#

and just pass that k as key name

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:58 AM

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I am still confused why you wanna save the options ot a json file

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:58 AM

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i was thinking stupid

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:59 AM

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sharp geyser I am still confused why you wanna save the options ot a json file

I am too lazy to use mongodb or something. And there's only 10 keys being saved so i think it's okay.

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:59 AM

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yes but what is the benefit of saving them

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are you going to use them later for other things?

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 8:59 AM

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yeah

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 8:59 AM

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and will this json file have a constant read/write?

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 8:59 AM

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shouldn't storing at memory be enough

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 9:00 AM

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sharp geyser and will this json file have a constant read/write?

Not constant, maybe few times a day?

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 9:00 AM

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depends if they need it outside the current scope or not

#

if they only need it in the scope of the current running command then saving it is pointless

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 AM

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If you guys know an easy alternative to use, i could instead of json use that ofc

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 AM

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eternal osprey Not constant, maybe few times a day?

Be extremely careful when using json as a database

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especially for info you will need for the bot to function

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 AM

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eternal osprey If you guys know an easy alternative to use, i could instead of json use that of...

sqlite if you want something simple

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its a disk oriented db as it saves it to a file on the disk

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 9:30 AM

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sharp geyser Be extremely careful when using json as a database

I know, i've gotten many issues with it

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 9:31 AM

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sharp geyser sqlite if you want something simple

awesome, thanks!

dry imp Jul 16, 2022, 10:11 AM

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corrupted

uneven tartan Jul 16, 2022, 10:18 AM

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sharp geyser sqlite if you want something simple

"simple" sqlite can get pretty complicated

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 10:38 AM

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It's far easier than something like postgres

#

I also suggested SQLite as it doesn't require you to have a server going to use

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 10:52 AM

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Wow i am really appy that i switched to djs v13.

#

It's so cool to work with those modals, etc etc.

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Pretty hard at first, but really fun

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 11:00 AM

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"the discord api is really fun" 💀

#

famous words before dying of cringe

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 11:07 AM

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the discord api is a programmer's representation of the bipolar disorder

pearl trail Jul 16, 2022, 11:10 AM

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eternal osprey Wow i am really appy that i switched to djs v13.

now get ready to switch to v14

near stratus Jul 16, 2022, 11:28 AM

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see ya in 9 month

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 11:32 AM

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eternal osprey ```js let k =interaction.options._hoistedOptions[1].value ```

hoisted options is a private property, use the get() method instead, this method will not change

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 11:56 AM

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pearl trail now get ready to switch to v14

wait waht

#

again

winged linden Jul 16, 2022, 11:56 AM

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yo anyone know why this aint working? i got the SchemaTypes as numbers

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 11:57 AM

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they need to fuck off with their updates. v13 is enough

#

channel_id: Value "id" is not snowflake``` How do i tail where this issue is coming from>??

pearl trail Jul 16, 2022, 11:57 AM

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eternal osprey wait waht

not released yet but you can use it right now, also

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 11:57 AM

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Has been like 90% for almost one year

winged linden Jul 16, 2022, 11:58 AM

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winged linden yo anyone know why this aint working? i got the SchemaTypes as numbers

anyone got any idea?

pearl trail Jul 16, 2022, 11:58 AM

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boreal iron Has been like 90% for almost one year

oh 💀

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 11:58 AM

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eternal osprey ```Uncaught DiscordAPIError DiscordAPIError: Invalid Form Body channel_id: Value...

By awaiting your promises combined with error handling

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 11:58 AM

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pearl trail oh 💀

Yeah tbh expect a few more months of development

#

There are many known internal issues - still - causing lots of features to not work atm

#

Which will cause a lot of API errors but caused by the lib

eternal osprey Jul 16, 2022, 12:00 PM

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boreal iron By awaiting your promises combined with error handling

I have used so many breakpoints and logs, i still haven't figured out where it's coming from

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:00 PM

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Well invalid form body can’t have much possibilities

#

Must be some content you wanna send to a channel using channel_id as argument for the channel resolveable

#

So… search up that var channel_id and find out

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

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did v14 did any improvements to caching? or does it still not support disabling channels for example

#

i really dont want to update djslight

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

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I hope you don’t ask me

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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quartz kindle did v14 did any improvements to caching? or does it still not support disabling ...

Do you like math?

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 12:03 PM

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no i hate math

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:04 PM

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meth

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:04 PM

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Well too bad graph this function f(x)=x^(2/3)+0.85*(4-x^2)^(1/2)*sin(10*π*x)

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It leaves a cool message

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

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When I left school like ages ago I was sure I would never see this again

#

Damnit Misty ruining my expectations

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 12:05 PM

#

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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<3

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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lmao

#

Google knows anything

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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It only knew to graph it cause of f(x)

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 12:06 PM

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i dont understand graph maths

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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I'm sure if you left that out it'd try and equate it instead

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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quartz kindle

shouldnt be y a constant

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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Huh

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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i suck at math

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 12:07 PM

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If so it would be a strange heart

#

flat heart theory soon, I swear

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 12:08 PM

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Honestly 10 should be a variable but I set it as 10 so it could be a more well defined heart

#

f(x)=x^(2/3)+0.85*(4-x^2)^(1/2)*sin(a*π*x)

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This is the original function

#

If you lowered what a was it'd be more stretched

tired panther Jul 16, 2022, 12:41 PM

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quartz kindle did v14 did any improvements to caching? or does it still not support disabling ...

They had many plans for v14 such as rawdata cache storage. But drafted them for v15.
Improvements are breaking stuff for fixing inconsistency
They made for the rest and ws part ... seperate packages.

All in all, less improvements on caching, besides that they now have on some structures this.data and take use of getters, which call that prop

stable eagle Jul 16, 2022, 12:47 PM

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quartz kindle

idk what sin does, didnt get to it yet lol

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 1:10 PM

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neither do i

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never got there in school

pearl trail Jul 16, 2022, 1:15 PM

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trigonometry 😩

sharp geyser Jul 16, 2022, 1:58 PM

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It is a trig method

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It basically takes the opposite and hypotenuse of a triangle

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And gives you the angle you're looking for

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sin, cos, tan and then there is cos-1, sin-1, and tan-1 which are inverse and they are commonly used for finding a missing side and such

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 2:24 PM

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second ever public app that i finished https://github.com/cryy/piksel

GitHub

GitHub - cryy/piksel: a daily driver tool for students

a daily driver tool for students. Contribute to cryy/piksel development by creating an account on GitHub.

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i don't know whether i want to keep working on this or should i move to other projects

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i'm currently stacking public apps as much as i can on my github profile

cinder patio Jul 16, 2022, 2:26 PM

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cool

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although you may also want to add an online version so people don't have to install it just to try it

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 2:27 PM

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that's actually a good idea

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shouldn't be a problem since the frontend is react

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tyvm

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 2:45 PM

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that day you finally update the packages on your servers

fossil bronze Jul 16, 2022, 3:42 PM

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Anyone know about the discord/d.js problem where you get double button presses?

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:43 PM

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fossil bronze Anyone know about the discord/d.js problem where you get double button presses?

Haven't heard of that problem, what discord.js version are you using?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:45 PM

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yeah, I see that event being submitted two times, sometimes, too

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at least in the current v14 dev build

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:46 PM

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It wouldn't be surprising in an unstable build, which is v14

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:46 PM

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yeah haven't seen this in v13 so far

fathom sonnet Jul 16, 2022, 3:47 PM

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hii guys, so i making an command which will send bot updates to assigned channel... channel and guild id are saved to db, but, now i have problem with this:

here Guild: si empty cuz idk what to actually use...

If this was some other event, like for example messageUpdate, i would use message.interaction.id

but for ready, idk what to use

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if you guys get me

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:48 PM

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fetch the guild you wanna send updates to, then fetch the channel, then send messages to it

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but idea of sending a message to a channel on each event is very bad

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:49 PM

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You're sending a message regardless of specific guild IDs, you're supposed to not pass a guild ID and get the proper documents

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And you can send them to a single announcement channel in the bot's support server for example, and let users follow the said announcement channel in their own servers to receive messages

fathom sonnet Jul 16, 2022, 3:51 PM

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ahh good idea

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:51 PM

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so in your case, let guild = await clients.guilds.cache.fetch(...) then fetching the channel const channel = await guild.channels.fetch(...) then sending your message to it

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:52 PM

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All guilds and channels are already cached by default, so there's no point in fetching them

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:52 PM

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WHAT DOES FETCH DO AS FIRST

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YES

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you know it

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:52 PM

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It checks the cache, then again there's no point when all of them are cached

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:52 PM

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dingus

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:53 PM

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Dum dum

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:53 PM

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get() won't be available as method in v14 anymore

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so fucking use fetch()

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doesn't matter since the cache check

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:54 PM

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Who says it won't be available?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:54 PM

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according to the docs it has been renamed to resolve()

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:54 PM

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The managers will still have the caches as collections, and the collections won't be removing the get() method

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The get() method isn't bound to the managers

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:55 PM

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hmm true

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looks like they just removed this documentation

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since collections are documented separately

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:56 PM

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Exactly

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:56 PM

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but still doesn't matter to use fetch() or not

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smirk

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except the promise

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:57 PM

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It does matter performance-wise, you're creating a pointless promise

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troll

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:57 PM

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"performance-wise" lol

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he wanna send a message on every event

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fuck performance I guess

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and rate limits

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 3:58 PM

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This isn't about what they want to do anyway, they're speedrunning getting ratelimited

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 3:58 PM

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freerealestate

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also db request on every event

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oldEyes

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 3:59 PM

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💀

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:00 PM

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boreal iron also db request on every event

quick.db more like FuckingSlowAndOverloaded.db

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:00 PM

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is that quickdb he's using? idk tbh

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 4:00 PM

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They're using Mongoose as it seems

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:00 PM

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I will never use anything else than SQL anyways

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:00 PM

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earnest phoenix They're using Mongoose as it seems

yeah

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:01 PM

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boreal iron I will never use anything else than SQL anyways

i use prisma so i dont care 🤷‍♂️

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Use PostgreSQL and join the cool kids club

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:01 PM

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never even heard of this

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:01 PM

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earnest phoenix Use PostgreSQL and join the cool kids club

shut up

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:01 PM

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earnest phoenix Use PostgreSQL and join the cool kids club

i do but with prisma

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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no benefit for me switching from mariadb to postgres

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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FakE news once again

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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i use cockroach db cause ||cockroach||

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funni

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💀

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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earnest phoenix FakE news once again

alright, so... tell me how will my life get better after switching

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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Also I think Discord switched from MariaDB to something else

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:02 PM

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cassandra db 💀

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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=> /var/database is using 87.2% of 917.09GB

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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wtf

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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okeh

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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loom4kAngery

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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nais

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:03 PM

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too big

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 4:05 PM

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earnest phoenix Also I think Discord switched from MariaDB to something else

Yeah I think they did
https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2020/07/22/2065978/0/en/Discord-Chooses-Scylla-as-Its-Core-Storage-Layer.html

GlobeNewswire News Room

Discord Chooses Scylla as Its Core Storage Layer

Leading Chat Service Consolidates on Scylla NoSQL Database, Migrating All Production Data off MongoDB and Apache Cassandra...

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:06 PM

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earnest phoenix Yeah I think they did https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2020/07/22/2...

wait they were actually using cassandra db 💀

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:07 PM

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boreal iron ` => /var/database is using 87.2% of 917.09GB`

actually this is funny since the ext4 format blocks like 70GB

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dbfs => /var/database 95.06% (934.22 GB of 982.81 GB)

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makes me sad

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seems like I need to invest into 2 larger SSDs

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:09 PM

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what are you storing 💀

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:09 PM

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that's a hash table

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:09 PM

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mmh

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:09 PM

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storing 4 billion hashes

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hashes of Steam IDs

proven escarp Jul 16, 2022, 4:09 PM

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wtf

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:10 PM

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to resolve their hashes to get the Steam ID

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since there's no other way to do it

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4 billion is more than the current amount of steam accounts

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so I got some time left until larger SSDs are needed

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I do weird stuff I know

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:15 PM

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Why are u even storing in an ssd?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:16 PM

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to guarantee fast access times?!

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and do you have any clue how long it takes to generate 4 billion records?

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:17 PM

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Simply sort the hashes and partition it into chunks of ranges

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Then access a specific chunk of data instead of iterating over all of it

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:18 PM

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Impossible as I need to provide the ID on request

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not any coding language supports all this

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:18 PM

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...hashes can be sorted

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:18 PM

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especially since we're tasking about game modding languages

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[07.08.2020 19:32:23]  rcon_lookup.php  --  Task done in 1678467.279 s
[08.04.2021 13:07:57]  lookup_gen.php  --  Task done in 1317965.892 s

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running that on a HDD will take weeks or longer to generate

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:19 PM

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Only if u try to search the whole thing

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:19 PM

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I did already "heavily" optimise the second generation process

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:20 PM

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lyric mountain Only if u try to search the whole thing

yes I can only search for the entire hash

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:20 PM

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Oh my

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I'm not talking about matching the entire hash, I'm talking about finding a needle in a haystack

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Simply sort the hashtable so u can get an approximate line number

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:21 PM

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which is the reason the database is that large, since they index take more than 50% of it's size

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:21 PM

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Files don't need to be read from the beginning

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:22 PM

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ik, still makes a gigantic file

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:22 PM

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Ik

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:22 PM

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the database is already heavily optimised, why the fuck should I not use it

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:23 PM

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You don't get what I mean, and idk how to exemplify

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:23 PM

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even if creating a file is faster in the generation process, this will only be required if a SSD ever dies

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yeah I feel like we're talking about two different things tbh

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freerealestate

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I will place a note on your profile, you're being weird sometimes if that's okay for you

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:34 PM

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Show me how is ur hashtable structure

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Maybe I can draw on it to show what I mean

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:35 PM

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will take some while

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servers are currently upgrading

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finally doing the release upgrade

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:36 PM

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I imagine it's like hash-id pairs?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:37 PM

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it simply is the Steam ID and two (different) hashes of it different game developers are using instead of using the Steam ID

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idk why they're doing this

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while the steam id actually has a static value I could technically get rid of the first 8 or 12 bytes if I remember correctly

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but instead of puzzling things together after I gave a fuck and basically save the entire ID in the database together with the created hashes

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:40 PM

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--------------- chunk (axxxx - bxxxx)
ahash - 1234
bhash - 5678
--------------- chunk (cxxxx - dxxxx)
chash - 9012
dhash - 3456
--------------- chunk (exxxx - fxxxx)
ehash - 7890
fhash - 1298

Not necessarily written like that, but like, break your data into sorted parts, then retrieve the part where your input hash is expected to be

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So instead of 1b entries, u only need to search among 1m entries or so

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:41 PM

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some years ago I did save the records as binary data to reduce the size of the database but puzzling things together is annoying after since not any language have inbuilt methods to do so

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:41 PM

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Ik most databases do this for indexed tables, alas why they're fast

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:42 PM

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lyric mountain ``` --------------- chunk (axxxx - bxxxx) ahash - 1234 bhash - 5678 ------------...

yeah I bascially know what you mean and what you're going for, but the work to restructure all this, is too much for the time I have

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:42 PM

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But you'd save on money, since even hdds would suffice

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:42 PM

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As I said I already did it differntly years ago but moved away from it again

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:42 PM

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lyric mountain But you'd save on money, since even hdds would suffice

dude... SSDs aren't exepensive anymore

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:43 PM

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With high capacity?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:43 PM

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those aren't SSDs using NVME protocol

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1/2 TB aren't high cap anymore

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4-6 is

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:43 PM

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Ssd price to capacity ratio is way lower than hdds

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:43 PM

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yeah true, but still

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one second

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Data Units Read:                    2,629,944 [1.34 TB]
Data Units Written:                 26,978,377 [13.8 TB]
Host Read Commands:                 69,062,776
Host Write Commands:                501,245,975

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estimated life time of about 300-400TBW

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:44 PM

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How tf u write more than read?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:44 PM

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so I guess they will still last long

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oh wrong disks selected

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ah shit... can't get the smart values

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of those SSDs

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since they being put together as hardware RAID

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the raid controller can't share their smart data it seems

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:47 PM

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Btw, why does steam use id hashes instead of the actual id?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:47 PM

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lyric mountain How tf u write more than read?

this was the data of a ZFS RAID the containers/VMs are running on

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:47 PM

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Or is that something u chose to?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

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lyric mountain Btw, why does steam use id hashes instead of the actual id?

those hashes being used by different game developers in their game logs to identify the players

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for some reason some games don't use the Steam ID directly but hashes of it

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idk why

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maybe to "hide" the original Steam ID

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

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It's not like that's a sensitive (or even private) data

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

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yeah don't ask me why

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:48 PM

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It's like people hiding their bot id here when asking for help

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:49 PM

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it's stupid but there's no way to decrypt it (yeah ik there is, shut up) so a hash table is the solution

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for every possible Steam ID

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:49 PM

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So u basically bruteforce from 00000001 to 99999999

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:50 PM

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well unfortunately those are hashes of the Steam ID 64

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but technically yeah I simply look up the account ID

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from 1 to 4 billion

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while currently only exist about 2.5 billion to 3 billion accounts

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so I got some time left until Steam reaches 4 billion before generating more IDs

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and hashes

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:51 PM

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Are steam ids sequential?

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Like discord?

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 4:53 PM

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seems so

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from the articles i found they increment over time

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they don't seem to be using snowflakes though

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:53 PM

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yeah they are

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A SteamID is broken up into four components: a 32 bit account number, a 20 bit “instance” identifier, a 4 bit account type and an 8 bit “universe” identifier.

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this is the Steam ID 64 (bit)

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the account ID itself is sequential

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starting with ID 1 with the first ever created Steam account

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 4:54 PM

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interesting

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:54 PM

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Gaben ig?

vivid fulcrum Jul 16, 2022, 4:54 PM

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something akin to snowflakes but proprietary it seems

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:55 PM

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which is 76561197960265729

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:55 PM

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lyric mountain Gaben ig?

nah

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account ID 1

lyric mountain Jul 16, 2022, 4:55 PM

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Who tf tested steam before gaben?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 4:56 PM

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the first created Steam accounts are all Valve employees

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created far before the platform even got released

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took some time to investigate all this but it's quite interesting

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need to restart Proxmox in a few minutes, too

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I will take a look at the smart values of the SSDs

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about their TBR and TBW

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:42 PM

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bruh

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i remember using proxmox to test something

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pretty cool

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just not good for my application

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bought a cheep cache drive offa ebay

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to use as a boot drive

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but sadly its not bootable so i thought "just slap a vm on it and rung the hipervisor on another drive"

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worked but was too clunky for my liking

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:44 PM

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proxmox really is a damn nice environment for virtualization

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:44 PM

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yeah

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has almost vertually no processing overhead too

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which is nice

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was running on a dell from 2006 and didnt really notice it on the vm at all

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 PM

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yeah it's minimalistic but feature rich, always up to date and free

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:47 PM

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indeed

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 PM

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and literally needs only a few ressources to manage all containers/VMs

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:48 PM

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yeah i saw that on my dell

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has a 2.2ghz athlon 4200+

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not the fastest thing

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but was still mostly idle

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pretty good

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also

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whilst im here

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 PM

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well my hardware isn't the latest shit, too but much optimized for virtualization

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Intel Xeon you know

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:49 PM

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in nodejs whats the diference between === and == cuz each seems to have diferent properties

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oof Xenon

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i mean some are still pretty good

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 PM

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"still" lol

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 PM

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lol

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:50 PM

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nr 1 architecture

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 PM

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i mean i cant remember the name but theres a couple of 3ghz ones and they are pretty good hovering around i7 4th gen

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 PM

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xeon gold, platinum or exterprise support is what makes them the nr. 1 professional architecture

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 PM

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wooden ember in nodejs whats the diference between === and == cuz each seems to have diferent...

== has type coercion, whereas === compares value and type with no coercion

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:51 PM

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nice

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what does coercion mean

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lol

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:52 PM

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but for the private sequemt AMD EPYC currently is more interesting

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as the amount of cores for virtualization matters here

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not so for professional hosting

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:53 PM

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im guessing its like if the "thing" is literally what you are comparing it to like if e == true cuz its true and not a string or any other data type

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:54 PM

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boreal iron as the amount of cores for virtualization matters here

yeah isnt the latest one like 64 cores or somthing?

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:55 PM

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wooden ember im guessing its like if the "thing" is literally what you are comparing it to li...

an easy example

1 == "1" // true
1 === "1" // false

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since a string and integer are different types

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:55 PM

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i know thier uses but i just wanted to know why there was two diferent "=" things

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:55 PM

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wooden ember yeah isnt the latest one like 64 cores or somthing?

idk tbh, I will never pick AMD tho

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Intel will always be the best supported and most reliable choice

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that wont change soon

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:56 PM

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bruh amd is cool though but yeah intel is pretty rock solid

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 5:57 PM

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wooden ember i know thier uses but i just wanted to know why there was two diferent "=" thing...

cus javascript is dumb and decided to make things complex

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:57 PM

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"cool"? it's just cheap focusing gamers and virtualization but not much more tbh

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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AMD is a very good consumer CPU manufacturer

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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amd is more power efficient atm though so thats why im here, that and the fact they are pretty good to their consumers using the same socket for longer and keeping older equipment suported for longer

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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Intel falls behind in affordability to power ratio sometimes, but their high end CPUs almost always outperform AMDs high end CPUs

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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tbh, nobody give a fuck about power efficiency

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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like my 8 year old gpu just got a driver update lol

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:58 PM

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boreal iron tbh, nobody give a fuck about power efficiency

i mean true and thats kinda sad

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but i do

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 5:59 PM

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boreal iron tbh, nobody give a fuck about power efficiency

I meant like how powerful the CPUs are

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Oh you were talking to him

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Nvm

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 5:59 PM

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lol

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 5:59 PM

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boreal iron tbh, nobody give a fuck about power efficiency

you do once you grow up and pay your own bills

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:00 PM

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ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND when comparing Intel and AMD CPUs, Intel still doesn't produce chips on like 5 or 4nm like AMD and they still outperform AMD chips easily

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:00 PM

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bruh power draw is power draw

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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also, low power = low heat = less cooling = more longevity

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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^^^

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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quartz kindle you do once you grow up and pay your own bills

bullshit, people picking AMD for power efficiency than adding a NVIDIA graphic card taking up to 300W or more

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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i use to have an fx8350

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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boreal iron ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND when comparing Intel and AMD CPUs, Intel still doesn't produ...

Most AMD equivalent CPUs to Intel usually outperform them in multi-threaded scenarios

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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boreal iron bullshit, people picking AMD for power efficiency than adding a NVIDIA graphic c...

well yes, that is indeed bs

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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those where dark and extreamly hot times

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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Until you get to the really high levels of CPU like Epyc

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:01 PM

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wheat mesa Most AMD equivalent CPUs to Intel usually outperform them in multi-threaded scen...

true for the consumer use case CPUs

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:02 PM

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but for a laptop for example, amd cpu + vega grahpics = 9+ hours of battery easy

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:02 PM

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as nobody actually needs more than 4 or let's say 8 cores as consumer

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but AMD comes with CPUs providing 16 cores or more for consumers which is nonsense

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:02 PM

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unless you have like 39487 chrome tabs open

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i mean if you are doing many things at once then cores come in handy

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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I will still stick to my 9900ks and oc it up to 5.5GHz and will beat literally any AMD CPU with it

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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oh god

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the heat

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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I run a Ryzen 7 2700 that’s overclocked to 4ghz on all 8 cores, it’s been running fantastic for tens of thousands of hours over the last 3 years

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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lol

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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And it always stays under 60c

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(I have an AIO cooler for it)

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:03 PM

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a lot of people are not used to fully close programs when they stop using them, for example mac users never ever actually close programs, they just click the X button and dont know the program is still open in the taskbar lol, so for those people more cores will make a perceivable difference

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:04 PM

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wheat mesa I run a Ryzen 7 2700 that’s overclocked to 4ghz on all 8 cores, it’s been runnin...

once you get into not perfectly optimized games, you will notice an extrem difference between 4 GHz and 5.5 GHz

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I can tell you that

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:04 PM

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my ryzen 5 5600x has the stock cooler and has never gone over 70*C

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:04 PM

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I’m also not running games at 4k expecting 2 billion fps

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:04 PM

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bruh i have an hd7770 lol

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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quartz kindle a lot of people are not used to fully close programs when they stop using them, ...

that's a different story tbh as MAC OS is much more better optimized than Windows ever will

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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I run all my games at 1080p usually at or above 144fps depending on the game’s limits on framerate

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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yes but many windows users are the same, they are not used to the concept of closing programs to free resources

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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well my bottleneck is the 1080Ti atm

wheat mesa Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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Granted I also have an RTX 2070 so it’s pretty easy to chug through games

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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quartz kindle yes but many windows users are the same, they are not used to the concept of clo...

system tray moment

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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they dont even know the difference between closed and minimized

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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smirk

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:06 PM

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that and windows has a bunch of background crap built in anyway

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:06 PM

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same goes for their smartphone once the accidentally open their app switch

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:06 PM

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yeah

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:06 PM

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would rather all that crap be running in cores that im not ising for the game im playing

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cuz frame stutters piss me off alot

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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get a random stranger's phone in your hands and enter the running app list, its not uncommon to see 50+ running apps

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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being running google maps 24/7 in the background and wonder why their location is being tracked 24/7 literally killing the battery

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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quartz kindle get a random stranger's phone in your hands and enter the running app list, its ...

much true

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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people having a smart phone wondering why there location is being tracked 24/7

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:07 PM

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then they blame google for tracking them

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:^)

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:08 PM

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well tbh

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they're not wrong with it

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Android makes it impossible to disable all trackers

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:08 PM

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power switch

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ez

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lol

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:08 PM

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while at least this isn't the case in iOS

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:08 PM

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yeah but you can still disable location history in your google account for example

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:09 PM

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but still can not disable system services tracking your stuff

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:09 PM

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i mean we dont know that ios could still be tracking you they just aren't transparent about it

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:09 PM

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and there are more and more privacy-friendly phones with location spoofing built in

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:09 PM

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I had an Android for one year and it was a mess

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disabled those system services comes up with a message, many apps will not work anymore

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and guess

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the message was right

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:10 PM

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ive only ever had shitty androids and hoinistly its fine

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but then id be ok running a nokia brick

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cuz i use my phone as a phone and not a do-everything machine

quartz kindle Jul 16, 2022, 6:10 PM

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same

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:10 PM

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not to mention that any OS sends meta data around but iOS compared to Android is much more friendly in terms of what I can disable and what not

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:11 PM

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true but then how easy is it to do things apple doent aprove of

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like install apps from somthing other than the app store

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or actually have a file viewer

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or a bloody headphone jack

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:12 PM

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I fucking like their environment is closed

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prevents you from being fucked at any time like on an Android phone

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:12 PM

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i mean i would like the option to think for my self

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not just be parented

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:13 PM

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wooden ember or a bloody headphone jack

stupid argument tbh, the hardware design has nothing to do with the software

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:13 PM

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It should be your responsibility on what you're installing and shit, not the OS's

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:13 PM

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bullshit

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you're free to install whatever you like

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:14 PM

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boreal iron stupid argument tbh, the hardware design has nothing to do with the software

true but because apple is closed source you dont have other manufacturers that make diferent options

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:14 PM

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but nothing which isn't known to be dangerous for the environment

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:14 PM

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boreal iron you're free to install whatever you like

unless it was banned off the app store

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:14 PM

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The OS isn't supposed to decide what you should install, iOS on the other hand just hand-holds you and doesn't allow installation of untested applications

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:14 PM

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indeed

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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which is totally okay - called responsibility

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a common phone user don't install weird, untested apps from unknown sources

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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i bought a device its my responsibility not the manufacturers

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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nope

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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That responsibility is yours, not OS's

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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^^^

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:15 PM

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yup

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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when i buy something i expect to be at liberty to do what i damn please on it or with it

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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wooden ember unless it was banned off the app store

or if they have even decided to make one

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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earnest phoenix The OS isn't supposed to decide what you should install, iOS on the other hand j...

I don't see any use case while this should be relevant at all

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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"why is the app store the only place where I can install stuff"
apple: "to make your device secure, private, and consistent"
anyone who can read through corporate dogma:

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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lol

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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remember we're still speaking about the common user not what you personally expect to see

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:16 PM

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boreal iron remember we're still speaking about the common user not what you personally expe...

still weird

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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nah not all

rustic nova Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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sudden geyser "why is the app store the only place where I can install stuff" apple: "to make ...

~~inb4 apple forced by government to add the lockdown mode to give whistleblowers/journalists a false sense of security~~

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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boreal iron I don't see any use case while this should be relevant at all

apps that apple bans cuz they dont like them even though they are perfectly legal and cause no harm to useres

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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oh yeah that new feature is dumb af

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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count the cases of compromised apps or phones compared between Android and iOS

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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wooden ember apps that apple bans cuz they dont like them even though they are perfectly lega...

and literally electron apps

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💀💀

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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yup

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:17 PM

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boreal iron remember we're still speaking about the common user not what you personally expe...

It doesn't matter what type of user it is, you're not supposed to be limited to what you can install and operate, you're taking all the responsibility in instead of letting the OS decide everything for you

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:18 PM

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YOU'RE ALWAYS limited

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:18 PM

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are you really sure

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:18 PM

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That's an invalid argument

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:18 PM

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Not so if you root your iPhone or Android phone

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Still that's no valid argument

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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still android provides more

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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The common user installes the few apps he uses from a known source, the app store

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and he's not really doing anything beyond that

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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well yeah?

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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Apple doesn't even run its App Store well nor treat its developers well.

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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yup

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:19 PM

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boreal iron Not so if you root your iPhone or Android phone

You don't need to root your Android phone to install and operate whatever you like, unless it interferes with the OS's own system apps or logic that is outdated

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And you don't "root" an iPhone, you jailbreak it which becomes way harder every update

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:20 PM

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earnest phoenix It doesn't matter what type of user it is, you're not supposed to be limited to ...

yeah reminds me of a meme i saw about cars

"user manuals in cars used to tell you how to ajust the valve timings, now they just tell you not to drink the contended of the battery"

personally i hate this form of babyproofing everything has thesedays what if the ragular user wants to do somthing for them selves but the manufacturure blocks it so the may to be fucked over by a dealer charging exorbitant prices

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:20 PM

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sudden geyser Apple doesn't even run its App Store well nor treat its developers well.

great discussion, and kids with bloody hands are creating my cloth in India... does that bother me when buying the cloth in cheap shops over here? No

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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bruh

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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Yikes.

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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bruh

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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that's how the world is

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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No, that's how capitalism works.

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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you do realise you can choose to buy stuff made localy

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:21 PM

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sudden geyser No, that's how capitalism works.

correct

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that's how the world is

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:22 PM

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wooden ember yeah reminds me of a meme i saw about cars "user manuals in cars used to tell y...

Exactly

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:22 PM

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The world is not fully capitalist, nor is that really relevant. You're really just spreading corporate propaganda right here and trying to assert it as "just the facts".

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:22 PM

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I didn't start drifting to that discussion

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:23 PM

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boreal iron great discussion, and kids with bloody hands are creating my cloth in India... d...

pay more for locally made stuff, its better quality and means small honist local businesses can grow. its people like you that are the reason the kids in india are in this position

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:23 PM

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I don't care what they charge from their app developers, either you care or not, either you can afford or not, that's how it is

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not even sure if free apps being charged

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but that's not the point

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:24 PM

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and you know the cost affects you

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Mindustry is literally free in every platform except steam and app store

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so it can affect you

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:25 PM

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wtf is Mindustry

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:25 PM

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a game

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:25 PM

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ah oh lol

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:26 PM

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that and if devs get more money they have more insentive to make somthing thats not a shitty ad driven mobile game

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but then those will be a plague nomatter what

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:26 PM

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still no valid point for me, there're more than enough free apps on iOS, too and I don't have an issue paying for something I wanna use, also supporting the developer even if they only get a small percentage of it

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:27 PM

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I honestly wouldn't want to see a world where the OS's actually decide everything for it's users, hand-holding the users a lot is just generally a bad idea because the user learns nothing of how things really work, and intend to get stuck on the most simple problems, let's say an app had a malware that is on the app store, the Apple users aren't gonna give a shit because they think it's "safe" and wouldn't contain anything suspicious

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:28 PM

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earnest phoenix I honestly wouldn't want to see a world where the OS's actually decide everythin...

count the cases of compromised apps or phones compared between Android and iOS

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I remember there have been a few

wooden ember Jul 16, 2022, 6:28 PM

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boreal iron still no valid point for me, there're more than enough free apps on iOS, too and...

so you will pay more for a game you want but wont pay more for clothes that aren't made by children in india

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interesting

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anyway ima get food

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this argumant will probably still be going when i get back

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:29 PM

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probably unless someone goes to sleep

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:29 PM

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boreal iron > count the cases of compromised apps or phones compared between Android and iOS

Yeah no shit because Android allows you install things that aren't really tested, and not everyone is generally aware of how to check for malware or similar things to avoid them

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:29 PM

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wooden ember so you will pay more for a game you want but wont pay more for clothes that aren...

that has been an example and yes I don't give a fuck as long as the quality of the product is ok

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:29 PM

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But a lot of Android users are aware of them, so that's a good take away as well

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:30 PM

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doesn't mean I don't prefer local stores

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:30 PM

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I don't necessarily believe targeting a certain audience with certain features is a bad thing. My personal issue is that Apple products are used by a very wide audience with different preferences, yet Apple will not budge for those people as it's more profitable for them to be inflexible (i.e. pursue platform capitalism).

Also, buying locally is usually pointless since it may rely on services that are global.

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:30 PM

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earnest phoenix But a lot of Android users are aware of them, so that's a good take away as well

a lot of Android users are aware

not really, I doubt even 10% of the users actually know anything about the phone or system

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:32 PM

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boreal iron > a lot of Android users are aware not really, I doubt even 10% of the users ac...

You're actually thinking the wrong way around, that's the Apple users, Android users have had a journey through things like this and know the most ways to avoid them by now, while the Apple users' only hope is on the Apple app testers

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Apple users aren't one person, and Android users certainly haven't been "trained".

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:33 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XcodeGhost
🤣

XcodeGhost

XcodeGhost (and variant XcodeGhost S) are modified versions of Apple's Xcode development environment that are considered malware. The software first gained widespread attention in September 2015, when a number of apps originating from China harbored the malicious code. It was thought to be the "first large-scale attack on Apple's App Store", acc...

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:33 PM

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dude that's how you see things, no fucking phone user is "going through" things
they use their phone, their install and use the same 3 apps every day, make a call or two and that's it

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nobody is actually thinking about how it works or getting into it at all

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I never meet anyone

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:34 PM

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That's also how you see it on your perspective, a lot of the users install a ton of things from what I've seen, and by experience can avoid malicious apps and things that can harm the device, it's not just using a few apps or making a call or 2

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:34 PM

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I only being asked over and over again why this blobbing up on Android phones, why this is sending notifications to me, why this isn't working, why the battery is running down so quickly etc.

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:35 PM

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That's the old times you're thinking of, it's not how it is today

sick agate Jul 16, 2022, 6:35 PM

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i have only saw a person using ios have battery issues

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the battery is small

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:36 PM

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earnest phoenix That's also how you see it on your perspective, a lot of the users install a ton...

Still... users go the app store or play store, search for an app and install it
your entire argument about the chance to install apps from external, unknown sources still is nonsense
who tf does that?

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:36 PM

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boreal iron I only being asked over and over again why this blobbing up on Android phones, w...

Considerable amount of my friends also use iPhones, telling me how to resolve the same set of issues, nothing uncommon in this case

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:36 PM

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sick agate i have only saw a person using ios have battery issues

Let me introduce you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate OzenSmile

Batterygate

Batterygate is a term used to describe deliberate processor slowdowns on Apple's iPhones, in order to prevent handsets with degraded batteries shutting down when under high load.
Critics argued the slowdown amounted to planned obsolescence, however this may stem from the common misconception that all older iPhones were slowed down. Some have arg...

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:36 PM

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sick agate the battery is small

the iOS is extremly optimized in terms of battery life tbh, I can't complain

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but people actually charging their phone 24/7 and ruining their battery

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:38 PM

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sudden geyser I don't necessarily believe targeting a certain audience with certain features i...

while this is true, i don't know any world company doing differently

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:38 PM

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earnest phoenix Considerable amount of my friends also use iPhones, telling me how to resolve th...

only issues I know and I'm pissed about, too are software issues nowadays we didn't had like years ago

sudden geyser Jul 16, 2022, 6:39 PM

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Of course, because every relevant top tech company has a monopoly in that field.

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:39 PM

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boreal iron Still... users go the app store or play store, search for an app and install it ...

I think you're completely misunderstanding things, a lot of people do that on Android phones when the app stores provided doesn't provide what they want, the iOS users just go to the app store and install things that are only tested, the iOS users aren't aware of most ways to avoid malicious things while Android users does, since they can install untested apps that contain malicious things

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Most apps available on the app store of iOS doesn't contain malicious things, so generally the users will always install it without caring about such details, even though it may contain malicious things regardless of being available there

boreal iron Jul 16, 2022, 6:41 PM

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still don't know anyone being careful of things like that using Android phones

earnest phoenix Jul 16, 2022, 6:41 PM

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Oh you wouldn't believe, a ton of people do, a shit ton infact