development

[sharp geyser]

My main issue in programming is I get bored easily when working on something on my own

I never liked doing something by myself, i'd rather enjoy it with someone else

[ancient nova]

    if (member.permissions.has("KICK_MEMBERS")) permissions.push("Kick Members");
    if (member.permissions.has("BAN_MEMBERS")) permissions.push("Ban Members");
    if (member.permissions.has("ADMINISTRATOR")) permissions.push("Administrator");
    if (member.permissions.has("MANAGE_MESSAGES")) permissions.push("Manage Messages");
    if (member.permissions.has("MANAGE_CHANNELS")) permissions.push("Manage Channels");
    if (member.permissions.has("MENTION_EVERYONE")) permissions.push("Mention Everyone");
    if (member.permissions.has("MANAGE_NICKNAMES")) permissions.push("Manage Nicknames");
    if (member.permissions.has("MANAGE_ROLES")) permissions.push("Manage Roles");
    if (member.permissions.has("MANAGE_WEBHOOKS")) permissions.push("Manage Webhooks");

how would yall optimize this

[earnest phoenix]

💀 wtf

[wheat mesa]

That's rough

That's really rough

[royal portal]

its already optimised

[ancient nova]

lies

[ancient nova]

ikik

[sharp geyser]

Just have an object of readable permissions that you can grab from ez

[earnest phoenix]

Define an object with the keys as the permission flag names, and values as the formatted flag names, or map to get the value from the object by key, or just replace if you don't want to manually declare the formatted permission flags in an object

[ancient nova]

yeah that's better

[royal portal]

[object Object]

[sharp geyser]

hey volty

what does Object.freeze do again?

[royal portal]

freezes the object

[sharp geyser]

Does it just make it so it is read only?

It can be accessed but not written to?

[ancient nova]

const perms = {
KICK_MEMBERS: "Ban",
... etc etc
};
perms[...];

is this what you mean misty?

[earnest phoenix]

It makes the object read-only, preventing new properties from being added or changed

[sharp geyser]

Essentially yes

[dusk vault]

uh

kick members is for kicking

[earnest phoenix]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/freeze

[dusk vault]

not banning

there's ban members lmao

[ancient nova]

yeah it's just pseudo code

[royal portal]

why mozilla

[dusk vault]

mozilla docs are the best docs for JS

[royal portal]

mozilla php docs

[sharp geyser]

const ReadablePermissions = Object.freeze({
  KICK_MEMBERS: 'Kick Members',
  BAN_MEMBERS: 'Ban Members'
  // etc
})

is how I do it

[ancient nova]

btw how do you check if a person is boosting the server?

[dusk vault]

how does php have anything to do with this @royal portal

[sharp geyser]

premiumSince on the member object iirc

let me verify that tho

[royal portal]

i was joking

[ancient nova]

alr

[dusk vault]

given the avg person here, i couldn't tell

lmfao

[royal portal]

thats to check for nitro i think

[sharp geyser]

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/13.8.0/class/GuildMember?scrollTo=premiumSince

No

premiumSince is to check when they last started boosting the server

[royal portal]

so much has changed

[sharp geyser]

you can't have access to a user's nitro subscription from the guild member that'd be user iirc

[earnest phoenix]

Although if you don't want to format all the permissions yourself manually, you can just iterate through the existing permission flags, replace underscores, and convert the cases to proper

[sharp geyser]

you and waffle think alike volty

[ancient nova]

isn't there a bool to just check if member is boosting wtf??

what is discord thinking

[dusk vault]

there's a booster role...

[ancient nova]

it's different for each server

[earnest phoenix]

You literally check if the premiumSince or premiumSinceTimestamp properties are not null

[sharp geyser]

Just check if it s null

if they don't boost it will be null

[ancient nova]

alright fair

[sharp geyser]

  get premiumSince() {
    return this.premiumSinceTimestamp ? new Date(this.premiumSinceTimestamp) : null;
  }

Literally all they do is return null if it isn't a thing

[earnest phoenix]

Although it varies on the server, if you actually want to check if the member is boosting regardless of server, all you can do is to iterate through your bot's guilds and check if the user is boosting one of them by that property, but it would be extremely inefficient if you have a lot of guilds

Checking if the user is boosting a server or has Nitro is all dependent on luck if you want to display badges

[ancient nova]

nah no need, I'm just checking if the user is boosting the server the command is executed in

[earnest phoenix]

Then you're good to go

[ancient nova]

ye

ty

[sharp geyser]

@earnest phoenix Give my bot a name

I need a name

you get 0 context as to what the bot is going to do

[earnest phoenix]

Misferious, Ampolo, Pinaty, Maltra, Nifko, Curatox

[sharp geyser]

What the fuck do those even mean

[earnest phoenix]

Nothing, names don't need to have a meaning

[sharp geyser]

Nifko it is

[ancient nova]

you're good at this

can u give my bot a name

something shady sounding

[earnest phoenix]

Well "shady" has a couple different meaning, so maybe narrow it down?

[ancient nova]

mischievous maybe?

ik that's kind of a bold word

[earnest phoenix]

Troubola, Playpar, Trafas, Annipala, Issaky, Harmak, Culox

[ancient nova]

Harmak is decent

[lyric mountain]

Morbotum

[wheat mesa]

bottum

[sharp geyser]

cringe

[pale vessel]

good morbing

[sharp geyser]

good night

[lyric mountain]

In 2016 we had hugh mungus, in 2018 it was big chungus, 2020 was amongus

2022 it's morbius

What comes next

[earnest phoenix]

mongius

[wheat mesa]

hugh mong us

[ancient nova]

guys say u in a race and u pass the person on the 2nd place. What place are you in now?

[lyric mountain]

Depends, if it was a lone run you're in mental clinic now

[earnest phoenix]

Why do you think of that in the first place?

[sharp geyser]

Cause you are dumb (jk love you volty)

if you pass someone in 2nd place you are then in 2nd place and they become 3rd (to answer his question btw)

[earnest phoenix]

Heh I know it's that, was trying to make that joke but I guess it doesn't work out

[lyric mountain]

Did ya read the file btw?

[sharp geyser]

Yes

I did indeed read it

[lyric mountain]

Hope I explained well

[sharp geyser]

You explained it pretty well

I just decided to work on a bot in ts rn instead and come back to java later

[lyric mountain]

[sharp geyser]

I am not entirely sure how I wanna do argument parsing yet

I know i will use regex but not entirely sure how I want the pattern to look

[lyric mountain]

You can also simply use slashes if u wanna skip that

[sharp geyser]

slashes?

as in slash commands?

[lyric mountain]

Ye

[sharp geyser]

Fuck nah

Not ready for that yet

[lyric mountain]

Lmao

[sharp geyser]

My ass would wanna be making a full on handler for slash commands

[lyric mountain]

I do hate slashes for how half-assed they were implemented

[sharp geyser]

I guess argument parsing would be rather easier with slash commands tho

As in giving types to the arguments given to the command

[lyric mountain]

I mean, it'll already come parsed

[sharp geyser]

Mmm will it?

I haven't fucked with slash commands yet

[lyric mountain]

Jda converts to the discord data type

[sharp geyser]

Ah

[lyric mountain]

If u set an argument to be mentionable, jda will give u a mentionable

[sharp geyser]

o I see

Kinda like this theme

It isn't overbearing even tho it is a lighter theme

[earnest phoenix]

The color scheme kinda gives the vibe of writing code on a physical document

[sharp geyser]

lol

I am now rethinking this permission system tho

Eh whatever ima go with what I currently have

I can change it in the future if I think of a more efficient way

[lyric mountain]

Looks like bread

🍞

[sharp geyser]

Actually no this permission system is bothering me a bit

cause it isn't how I wanna do it

😔

How should I structure it though, cause I wanna make it so there are permission groups that server owners can make that house permissions for that group and a user can be added to it giving them the permissions in that group.

[lyric mountain]

I just noticed, but ur still using community edition right?

[sharp geyser]

Nope

I am using the licensed version

[lyric mountain]

Ah, I thought u were cuz missing left tabs

[sharp geyser]

I removed some of the ones I didn't need

[lyric mountain]

Was gonna mention u could probably get a free license from active open-source repos

[sharp geyser]

I am planning on doing that

but no one actually actively contributes to any of my repos

[lyric mountain]

Oh no no, it's the other way around

Those who actively contribute are eligible for free license

Even if you're the only one

[sharp geyser]

So I can be eligible even when I am the owner

sweet

[lyric mountain]

The project just needs to be older than 3 months

[sharp geyser]

I see

[lyric mountain]

And obviously, be open source and non commercial

I somehow got our PM to consider migrating all our environment to jetbrains tools

Since we're moving from delphi to flutter

[sharp geyser]

I honestly might make this bot open source

I see no reason not to

[lyric mountain]

As long as you properly hide sensitive data ye, not much reason not to go OS

[sharp geyser]

I wonder if anyone will contribute 🤔

I'd like to see that happen

[lyric mountain]

Who knows

[sharp geyser]

It'd be nice

[lyric mountain]

It's also good as a portfolio should you need one

[sharp geyser]

I plan on building up my portfolio over the summer

I hope to put a lot of my effort into this and another project I am working on but we will see

:p

I now think I have the ability to make permission groups in the database

[lyric mountain]

PSA: right click -> inject language
when using idea database manager

Nice to have language parsing and editor tools when editing fields

[sharp geyser]

Okay I am fucking this all sorts of up

import { NifkoInteractionCommandClient } from './InteractionCommandClient';
import Redis from 'ioredis';
import { PermissionToGroupEntity } from '../database';
export class PermissionManager {
    private client: NifkoInteractionCommandClient;
    private redis: Redis;
    constructor(client: NifkoInteractionCommandClient) {
        this.client = client;
        this.redis = client.redis;
    }

    async getPermissionsForUser(
        groupId: string,
        userId: string
    ): Promise<PermissionToGroupEntity | string> {
        let permission: PermissionToGroupEntity | string | null =
            await this.redis.get(groupId);
        if (permission === null) {
            this.client.logger.warn(
                'No permission for that group/user ID in cache, trying database'
            );
            permission =
                (await PermissionToGroupEntity.findOne({
                    where: { groupId, userId },
                })) ?? 'No permissions found';
        }

        return permission;
    }

    async setPermissionsForUser(
        groupId: string,
        userId: string,
        newPermissions: Permissions
    ) {
        const permission = await this.getPermissionsForUser(groupId, userId);
        if (permission === null) {
            this.client.logger.warn(
                'Cannot set permissions for a user/group that does not exist'
            );
            return null;
        }
    }
}

interface Permissions {
    canBanMembers: boolean;
    canKickMembers: boolean;
    canMuteMembers: boolean;
    viewBanList: boolean;
    viewPermissionsOfUsers: boolean;
    canManagePermissionGroups: boolean;
}

Right now I am trying to make a permission manager to make it easier to get and set permissions for a user.

But this is obv not a good way to do it any ideas on how I can?

[lyric mountain]

bitfieds

permissions are always "yes" or "no", you can pack up to 32 permissions inside a single integer

WAY more compact than using 32 booleans, about 8 times smaller

[sharp geyser]

Wait wut

Are you saying have something similar to discord's permissions?

export enum NifkoPermissions {
    CAN_BAN_MEMBERS,
    CAN_MUTE_MEMBERS,
    CAN_KICK_MEMBERS,
    CAN_MANAGE_PERMISSION_GROUPS,
    VIEW_BAN_LIST,
    VIEW_PERMISSIONS_OF_USERS,
}

I did end up making an enum for my permissions

I do have a question on why discord uses bit shifting or whatever for their permissions?

What is the benefit of doing such

like why CREATE_INSTANT_INVITE = 1 << 0

[quartz kindle]

ah kuuhaku said

smaller and faster

you store 32 permissions in a single 32bit number instead of 32 booleans

[sharp geyser]

What is the difference of just doing what I did above and doing what discord did with the bit shifting

[sharp geyser]

into a single 32bit number?

[quartz kindle]

yes

[sharp geyser]

Wdym

[quartz kindle]

for example, an 8 bit number has 8 bits that can be 0 or 1

you can take 8 booleans, and put them together to form a number

true false true true false false true true

10110011
= 179

[sharp geyser]

👀

This sounds a bit confusing

I don't quite understand the concept behind what you are saying

[quartz kindle]

the number 179

is made from those specifc 8 bits

an 8bit number (0-255) contains all possible combinations of 8 bits

if you deconstruct the number into bits, you get a sequence of booleans

[sharp geyser]

😔

I kind of understand now

[quartz kindle]

like

its kind of an array

you can make the first ine correspond to X, the second one correspond to Y, etc

but instead of [true, false]

you convert it into a single number

10 (in binary)

[sharp geyser]

Mmmm

Understandable

Though I am still questioning why does discord do

SomePermission = 1 << 0
AnotherPermission = 1 << 1
AnotherOne = 1 << 2

Would this end up as the same way or?

[quartz kindle]

the syntax is not much different from array indexes

1 << 0 = first bit
1 << 1 = second bit
1 << 2 = third bit

if first bit is 1, then first permisson is true

if first bit is 0, then first permission is false

[sharp geyser]

I see

[quartz kindle]

from a storage perspective, most databases store booleans as bytes, due to byte alignment, meaning storing multiple booleans in an integer is much more efficient, basically uses 8x less storage

[sharp geyser]

So basically I could just store the result of the bit shifting into the database over a bunch of booleans

[quartz kindle]

from a transmission perspective, imagine sending a number in json, vs an array of booleans

the number is gonna be several times smaller

[quartz kindle]

yes

[sharp geyser]

    async hasPermission(
        userId: string,
        guildId: string,
        permissions: Array<NifkoPermissions>
    ): Promise<boolean> {
        const permission = this._calculatePermissions(permissions);
        const user = await UserEntity.findOne({ where: { userId } })
        const perm = await PermissionGroupEntity.findOne({ where: { guild: { guildId } } })
        
        if(user === null) throw new Error("Could not find the user with the specified ID")
        
        if(!perm) throw new Error("Could not find a permission group belonging to that guild")
        
        if(perm.user.userId !== userId) throw new Error("User does not belong to that permission group")
        
        return perm.permissions === permission;
    }

Could I make this easier to do?

I feel like typeorm allows me to do it easier but I can't think of a way to do so

Actually might of just made it a bit better but still feel like I could check if they have the permission better

    async hasPermission(
        userId: string,
        guildId: string,
        permissions: Array<NifkoPermissions>
    ): Promise<boolean> {
        const permission = this._calculatePermissions(permissions);
        const perm = await PermissionGroupEntity.findOne({
            where: { guild: { guildId }, user: { userId } },
        });
        if (!perm)
            throw new Error(
                'Could not find a permission group belonging to that guild/user'
            );

        return perm.permissions === permission;
    }

Also now that I think about it, doesn't throwing an error kill the process ?

[sharp geyser]

So this won't work, it doesn't go past the const perm

It is failing for some reason

I am starting to think my database design is going to be an issue and not be as easy to query permissions for a user

[fossil charm]

hi anyone here who uses python shell package?

[woeful pike]

if you don't catch it yes

that's why throwing errors is not a good idea imo

honestly bitfield permissions are a waste of time

I don't see a point to having them until space starts to become an issue

just do regular one to many relationship with string permissions

[sharp geyser]

Ima just go with it as I already set it up, it will waste more time redoing it entirely

[woeful pike]

ye i didn't mean as in redo it

[sharp geyser]

My only issue now is how inefficient it seems to check if the user has a certain permission in a guild's permission group

[woeful pike]

why inefficient

[sharp geyser]

The way it stands now is, a guild can create permission groups that have different permission sets. A user can then be added to said group but when running commands that check if a user has a certain permission for that guild I feel I am doing it in a way that is going to end up not being very performant in the long run, but this could just be me overthinking things

[woeful pike]

why do you have things like ban members tied to your own permission system anyways?

[sharp geyser]

Because the user's role may never have the permission to ban, but the user's permission group may.

If the permission group has permission to ban members & the user is of a higher hierarchy then the user they are trying to ban then a successful ban will occur

Actually now that I think about it

[woeful pike]

ok but if I demod someone in my server I don't want them to have permissions to ban on the bot

[sharp geyser]

I was planning on actually switching from giving individual users permissions but rather the roles they will have. So you can set different roles to have different permission groups tied to them. So when a user is added to the Mod role they will have Mod level permissions for the bot. and if they are removed they no longer have those permissions

Though now that I am thinking about it, if a user doesn't have ban members perm via discord they won't necessarily be able to ban them anyway right?

[woeful pike]

if I have to remember to do something on your bot after removing a user's mod permission that sounds really unintuitive and problematic imo

[sharp geyser]

Likely end up with a Missing Permissions error from discord

[woeful pike]

well no because your bot will be the one doing the ban

[sharp geyser]

Ah okay

[sharp geyser]

Also I don't see how you'd have to remember to do anything. Naturally if you are demoding someone you'd remove their mod role

[cinder patio]

why don't you use the user's permissions for this? Why do you need your own permission system

[woeful pike]

sure but if you have your own permissions system inside the bot then someone either has to remember to remove a role on ur bot or you rely on constantly keeping discord permissions in sync with your own db which isn't a good system

[sharp geyser]

Mmm, I could yes, but I will still end up needing a permission system of my own though for non discord related permissions

[woeful pike]

Im just talking about discord stuff like bans

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[cinder patio]

Check the member's discord permissions when doing something discord-related and your permission system otherwise

[sharp geyser]

What would you recommend then? I wanna make it as easy as possible to manage user's permissions within the bot. As a lot of things I plan on doing will require the user having custom permissions to execute certain commands.

I completely agree it will be annoying to keep up with the user in case you demod them and such

[rocky dagger]

i keep getting this error, how can i fix it? https://sourceb.in/0KS3iPeZpg

[earnest phoenix]

The bot doesn't have the permission to create slash-commands on that guild

[wheat mesa]

Invite your bot with the applications.commands scope

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah

[rocky dagger]

its in a guild im not in

[wheat mesa]

Nothing you can do then

Make sure your bot’s invite link includes the applications.commands scope

Other than that you just need to handle the error and move on

[rocky dagger]

it does

[rocky dagger]

how can i do that?

[split hazel]

ima try again in a bit 💀

[wheat mesa]

Wherever you register your commands, just try..catch it

[split hazel]

i want to cop that 24gb of ram

[rocky dagger]

thanks

[pine nova]

rajesh 💀

[split hazel]

💀

probs from india

definitely

at that time it was midnight i doubt anyone would be working night shift chat support

oracle please take my 80p

im begging you

[spark flint]

lol

it will be your bank blocking it

i have like 3 oracle accounts now lmao

[split hazel]

the bank said they're not blocking it tho

they prob blacklisted my card bc i tried twice

[spark flint]

i use the same card for all my accounts

[split hazel]

idk then

mfs are racist

[spark flint]

lol

their support is funny

[split hazel]

im trying again

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/🚜🚐🐄🎇🏷.png

[split hazel]

bruh

[pine nova]

100%

[split hazel]

now i see why people have a problem with oracle running mysql

yeah declined again

might try another card

fuck oracle man

[cinder patio]

why are you paying them

[split hazel]

such a shit company

[split hazel]

80p for 24gb ram forever

[pine nova]

skem

[lyric mountain]

oh if you knew java's backstory

oracle is know to be a dick to everyone

[dry imp]

true

[split hazel]

tell me more

[spark flint]

why the fuck are you spamming hi in all channels

ok

and

just don't spam hi in all channels lmao

thats like something a 10yr old would do 💀

ok

[split hazel]

stop being a discord mod

[spark flint]

43

wbu

no

how old are you

16

you either need to boost or have an approved bot

[split hazel]

lmao bro said you first then just ghosted him

[spark flint]

why

[split hazel]

so forceful

[quartz kindle]

dafuq is this 10 year old

[spark flint]

EXACTLY

how old are you @earnest phoenix

[quartz kindle]

then stop acting like a 10 year old?

[spark flint]

well

how old are you

why

i said my age

i thought we were friends

ok and

[dry imp]

damn i feel you bro

[spark flint]

are you under 13

so you are?

[quartz kindle]

createMessageComponentCollector

[spark flint]

@winter pasture @real rose found an under 13

[quartz kindle]

yes

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/⚒🧀🍺🌵☹️.png

because deleted

[real rose]

@earnest phoenixAre you actually under 13?

[spark flint]

sorry for using the channel for the wrong reason mods

[spark flint]

watch him say no

[dry imp]

why care so much about a kid anyway

[real rose]

?

[spark flint]

they tried to befriend me

[real rose]

-b @earnest phoenix Under 13, against Discord ToS

[gilded plank]

P.A.I.Nツ#4041 was successfully banned.

[real rose]

airing the question was worse than saying no

[spark flint]

lol

[distant tree]

get message ID's report it to discord get there account banned

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spark flint]

they deleted message

so

[lyric mountain]

I don't remember all from the top of the head, but this sums it pretty well https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2e2c1o/what_do_we_hate_oracle_for/

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/🦙😚🏝🎂🍽.png

they started a war

[lyric mountain]

basically they don't care what you want, they put money over relationship with their clients

[spark flint]

oracle?

[lyric mountain]

ye

[spark flint]

their prices are pretty good

[winter pasture]

Already sniped 😦

[spark flint]

[winter pasture]

Lost internet while I was in the tunnel

[spark flint]

ah

it said you were online but not in member list so wasn't sure if you were active lmao

[lyric mountain]

you can't await inside a sync function

[quartz kindle]

you need to make your function async

[lyric mountain]

idk if ur being sarcastic

[quartz kindle]

show code

[lyric mountain]

() => {
  await ...;
  // CAN'T
}

async () => {
  await ...;
  // CAN
}

[wheat mesa]

Wouldn’t it be async () => {}

[quartz kindle]

yes lmao

[lyric mountain]

done

[quartz kindle]

yes

[lyric mountain]

then is an async chain btw

whatever ur waiting can be done on the next then

[quartz kindle]

but preferably try not mixing awaits and thens

[lyric mountain]

<Promise>
  .then(a => get stuff)
  .then(stuff => make deal)
  .then(deal => you get it)
  .then(it => see?)

[quartz kindle]

now show the async await version for comparison

im in phone

[lyric mountain]

<Promise>
  .then(async a => await (await (await (await get stuff) make deal) you get it) see?)

[quartz kindle]

yes, you can do that with await

[quartz kindle]

wtf no

lmao

let me get on pc

.>

[lyric mountain]

kekw

[cinder patio]

use await on the first promise

[lyric mountain]

don't put then inside then, just go to the next chain

that way it executes sequentially in the promise's context

[quartz kindle]

as kuuhaku said, you can do this ```js
promise
.then(a => get stuff)
.then(stuff => make deal)
.then(deal => you get it)
.then(it => see?)

```js
const a = await promise;
const stuff = await a.getStuff();
const deal = await stuff.makeDeal();
const it = await deal.getIt();

[lyric mountain]

ah that's what u meant

[quartz kindle]

so preferabily chose one of them and stick to it, dont mix them both up unless you know what you're doing

[lyric mountain]

do note tho, should one of the steps hang, that entire flow will hang too

idk whether djs uses node's pseudo-threads, but if it's ran in a single "thread" it'll make your bot freeze

that if one of the steps hang, not necessarily that they will

[quartz kindle]

js is almost always single threaded, djs included

async is made with timers and events

only the real async code goes into the node threadpool

real async being i/o

disk/network

because programs are fast, stupid fast

so 99% of the time, your program is idle, not doing anything, just waiting

[solemn latch]

one after the other

[quartz kindle]

you receive two commands at once, even if you cannot process both at the exact same time, they still take on average less than a couple milliseconds to complete

the actual code that you run your commands on, is single threaded, and starts with whichever event came in first

but the actual data you send back, is passed to the node threadpool

so the job of actually sending data across the network is multithreaded by node

[lyric mountain]

ik, I mean node's pseudo-threading system

where it simulates having threads

[quartz kindle]

djs doesnt use worker_threads if thats what you mean

[lyric mountain]

ye, that

then a hanging await will indeed freeze the bot

[quartz kindle]

you can use them with sharding tho

[solemn latch]

I don't really know how that works though.

If two requests come at the same exact time, how does it handle one while also receiving the other or receive both at once?
wouldn't the processes be blocked and not receive that info?
or is i/o separate?

[lyric mountain]

make the first to reach hold a lock until done

as soon as the lock is lifted the next request will pass through

[quartz kindle]

the theadpool manages the network, and gives the events to the js context one by one, for each event that it gives to js, it waits until js is done with it, so yes while js is running, the process is blocked

but the node threadpool is still accepting and queueing incoming requests

[solemn latch]

makes sense, good to know

[lyric mountain]

a millisecond is still very long for a computer

like, you can't fathom how fuckin fast a computer is

[quartz kindle]

depending on the job yes

[lyric mountain]

it's like trying to comprehend how big the universe is

[quartz kindle]

most cpu operations take a few nanoseconds

or less

[lyric mountain]

a nano is one millionth of a second btw

[split hazel]

speaking about cpu operations-

[lyric mountain]

or 1s = 1.000.000ns

[solemn latch]

these are the really good topics ^_^

[split hazel]

once you try processing millions of pixels in a very short amount of time you start hating the cpu

[lyric mountain]

I do already , although not at cpu-level

[split hazel]

its so slewwwwwwwwwwwwww for graphics

especially modern displays

[solemn latch]

any chance of using a gpu then?

👀

[split hazel]

i wish

[quartz kindle]

thats why gpus have like 512 computing cores lmao

[split hazel]

unfortunately gpu manufacturers are very greedy people and like to keep implementation details up to them and them only

SO MY OS CANT MAKE USE OF THEM

[solemn latch]

oh for the OS?

yeah

[lyric mountain]

SpeedyOS

[split hazel]

i might port something like vulkan

i can try but like

it might take a while

or something better/easier

[quartz kindle]

ye

[solemn latch]

I think nvidia and amd have open source drivers now

or well nvidia was forced to recently

and amd has for awhile iirc

[split hazel]

still the problem is supporting other manufacturers and gpus

theres a lot of them

so using an open source alternative is better

its better than nothing

[solemn latch]

true

[split hazel]

because other tasks are using so much cpu time that it starves other tasks

so they get no cpu time

making things slower since it takes more time for them to get cpu time

[lyric mountain]

it's...complicated

[split hazel]

its either better or worse with different scheduling algorithms

but in theory its that

[lyric mountain]

you can check how many threads the cpu is running atm by pressing ctrl + shift + esc and going to Performance

this is mine

yet only 10% cpu usage

[split hazel]

lol you guys suck 2000+ threads

[quartz kindle]

windows at its stupid amount of shit running in the background 24/7

[split hazel]

i think i ran a tool which slightly debloats windows

hence the lower threads and processes

[lyric mountain]

IJ and delphi open atm

[quartz kindle]

next time i format, im gonna install ghostspectre's versions

[split hazel]

what is a handle

[quartz kindle]

heavily debloted

[split hazel]

i really dont know

[lyric mountain]

cpu identifiers I believe

like, pointers

[quartz kindle]

handles are used for many things, including which files the process has opened

[split hazel]

ah right

weird to group everything together

[quartz kindle]

A process handle is an integer value that identifies a process to Windows. The Win32 API calls them a HANDLE; handles to windows are called HWND and handles to modules HMODULE.

Threads inside processes have a thread handle, and files and other resources (such as registry keys) have handles also.

The handle count you see in Task Manager is "the number of object handles in the process's object table". In effect, this is the sum of all handles that this process has open.

If you do not release your handle to a resource, other people may not be able to access it - this is why you sometimes cannot delete a file because Windows claims it is in use (check out this article on handle leaks and Process Explorer).

Also, there is a per-process limit on various handles. Here is an example.

In general, if you are opening handles and not closing them, it is analogous to leaking memory. You should figure out what is going on and fix it. There is a good CodeProject article on handle leaks.

[lyric mountain]

also as an even more mind-exploding fact, multi-threading isn't really "doing X things at once", more like "doing X things alternating"

a cpu can only do 1 operation at a time

it just does it so fast, but so fast, that it happens almost at the same time

the only constraint is light speed

[quartz kindle]

actually multicore cpus can physically do multiple things at once

but those things are very limited

[split hazel]

thats because threads dont always run and do something

most of the time they sleep

or should anyways

waiting for something to happen or some data to arrive

such as a mouse click

kind of

usually the operating system puts the threads to sleep

when some data happens like the mouse moves the operating system wakes up the relevant threads

gets a bit complicated but thats the simplest explanation

[quartz kindle]

cpus have many layers of memory and caching, aka the L caches

if you run a job that takes very small memory, and it fits in those caches, a single cpu core can do its job alone, at the same time other cpu cores do other jobs

but if the job requires more memory, then it needs to connect to ram, and this includes waiting

so the work is then done in interleaved steps with whatever cpu core is available over a certain amount of time

[split hazel]

hate it when i cant connect to ram

[quartz kindle]

a separate larger amount of memory

outside of the cpu

[pine nova]

[split hazel]

and do note reading/fetching data from memory/ram takes a long time

the cpu sits around doing nothing while it waits for it

hence why i call variables a bad practice and use registers

[quartz kindle]

this is a nice diagram from wikipedia

all of this is inside a single core

so whenever the pc can, it will run as much calculations as possible that fit in that memory alone, to make it fast and truly parallel

[split hazel]

what if it runs out of memory 😱 😱 😱

[quartz kindle]

yes

here's an AMD bulldozer server cpu

there are many levels of memory, starting with very small ones that sit right inside the cpu core, that are ultra fast

and bigger memories gradually sitting further and further away from the cpu core

[split hazel]

make the big ones closer ez

[quartz kindle]

so whenever a certain job requires more memory than the smaller one, it tries using the next bigger one, until it finds one that fits

so the smaller the job, the faster it is

the smallest memories are usually only used for math

not much you can do with 16kb

but cpu is stupid fast at doing math

it can do thousands/millions of math calculations at once inside those 16kb

cpus come with a list of standarized "instructions", names you see around like SSE, AVX, etc

and low level programming languages such as C can directly run those instructions

and that ensures the fastest possible performance

since those instructions are special functions that are designed to run inside that 16kb ram

[lyric mountain]

basically why people pick low-level languages, not because they are faster, but because they allow doing direct operations which are faster

[quartz kindle]

yes

compilers can often do a good job at converting your code to use these functions when appropriate, but they are not always accurate

no, lua is a high level language, much like js and python

[lyric mountain]

lua is very high level, somewhere around js and python

a

[quartz kindle]

but luajit might be able to make use of some of that

[lyric mountain]

low level would be c, asm, cpp, rust, etc

the closer to english, the higher the level

[quartz kindle]

these days a lot of languages are "turboed" by using JITs and other optimizers

[lyric mountain]

    <--------------------------------------------------------------------->
1011 1010                                                             Hi there!
low level                                                            high level

[quartz kindle]

these optimizations take parts of your code, parts that the program detects its running a lot of times, and tries to compile those functions into lower level programs inside the program

and these lower level programs can some times make use of those special cpu instructions

to make it faster

[lyric mountain]

until you stop to think that a cpu is so dense that a single transistor is 70 atoms wide

[quartz kindle]

exdee

[lyric mountain]

and we cant go any smaller because quantum shit start happening

[quartz kindle]

cpus are something that us humans will not be able to manufacture again if for some reason we lose the technology employed to create them

[lyric mountain]

oh and a cpu has billions of transistors

[quartz kindle]

like if a giant solar flare fries every single electronic on earth, it will likely take decades to be able to produce a new cpu again

[lyric mountain]

I mean, maybe but we'll have to restart from building-sized cpus

[quartz kindle]

exactly

[lyric mountain]

people make cpus on minecraft all the time

[quartz kindle]

we are soo many layers deep into computer that creates computer that creates computer that creates computer

we use old computers to create new and faster computers

because we need computers to be able to produce something on an atomic level of precision

machines and lasers run by computers

partially yes

we dont exactly need to use a gen 6 to manufacture a gen 7 intel processor

we could probably manufacture all intel gens using an old pentium or something

but a lot of the cpu design history came from trial and error over time

and this trial and error required a lot of machinery and lasers and science

and these machinery and lasers and science in turn required a lot of other machinery and lasers and science to produce

which end up in a long ass chain of technological dependencies

similar to npm

lmao

[lyric mountain]

computers are the closest to alien technology we have at earth, and as they say: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

[quartz kindle]

like, we dont have that many actual cpu factories in the world

there are very few actual chip manufacturers

and every single company just buys from them and rebrands them

thats why whenever something happens to those factories, prices go up everywhere in the world and suddenly there is a chip shortage

because its extremely complicated to do them, and only people who have been in business for decades know how

you know boston dynamics right? you see videos about their robots on youtube all the time

i've been watching their videos for over 10 years, and their improvement is amazing

i dont see anyone else doing anything remotely close to what they are doing

they are like so far ahead, that everyone else in the world will be more likely to buy from them that to attempt to compete against them

[lyric mountain]

if we really achieve sentient robots, it'll definitely be boston rob to do it

[quartz kindle]

exactly

chip manufacturers are so far ahead that there are very few of them

for a competitor to appear, it would need to go through much of what they already went through

which would take years

and the same thing can be applied to almost everything else in terms of industries

[lyric mountain]

behold the big silicon chungus

[quartz kindle]

that are factories that are just so far ahead of everyone else, that its cheaper to buy from them than to try to make your own produce

be it with cheese, beer, tuna cans, etc

[lyric mountain]

which becomes

which is cut into

[quartz kindle]

all those different tuna can brands you see in the market are usually all from the same factory

same thing with almost everything else

different brands all buying from the same factories because its cheaper

because how are you gonna create a new factory to compete with other factories, when they already have stupid efficient designs and machinery to be able to produce millions of items per day extremely cheaply?

[lyric mountain]

producers would be L1 cache

they can get fish fast, but cant do much with it

then factories are the next cache level, which can process those fish into more complex products

[quartz kindle]

honestly this is something that should be taught in schools lmao, the sad/amazing reality of the world and how things are actually produced

basically always buy the cheapest brand

because the expensive brand is 90% of the time going to be the exact same product

like, even car manufacturers do this

[lyric mountain]

the only difference is usually how the product is filtered

[quartz kindle]

they have 3-4 different car models all runing the exact same engine and internals, with only slight exterior differences

[lyric mountain]

like, cheaper brands are more prone to letting inferior quality products pass through

so they can sell more for cheaper

[quartz kindle]

yeah sometimes the factory only does the bulk job and sells you the unfinished product for you to do the final touches

[lyric mountain]

cof cof ikea cof

[quartz kindle]

like imagine if coke and pepsi came from the same factory, but then they just add like the final 1% of the ingredients in their own factories

[lyric mountain]

in coke's case it's cocaine (the plant, not the powder)

[quartz kindle]

xD

[lyric mountain]

afaik they're the only legally allowed company to use it in a commercial beverage

[quartz kindle]

too big to fail

also, these days the way most newcomers enter the market is all the same

they dont bring a new product

they find the cheapest factory, buy from there, add their own new brand, and enter the market as a "new alternative"

[lyric mountain]

here in brazil we have a soda called "Jesus"

it's tutti-frutti flavored, but the biggest selling point is that it's a pink soda

like, literal pink

[quartz kindle]

and positivo laptops

[lyric mountain]

and it's expensive af

a can of jesus is more expensive than a can of coke

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

this country's evangelism is stupid big

they are probably make money from the evangelics

[quartz kindle]

i bought that once to try it

didnt like it xD

[lyric mountain]

ah, just noticed "Coca Cola" to the side of it

so they bought it

[quartz kindle]

i've had to repair a few positivo laptops some years ago

they used gigabyte motherboards with a modified bios to hide the gigabyte brand

so it was impossible to find drivers online

[lyric mountain]

positivo is shit lmao

[quartz kindle]

in china

there is this HUGE market

like a giant warehouse with hundreds of shops

where you can buy all kinds of raw chips and components and parts

you can walk in there and literally build your own android phone

[lyric mountain]

ah I saw it in news once

[quartz kindle]

you buy an android SoC, a camera, a touch screen, a case, etc, and fit it all together

android is an operating system

and its open source, like linux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwtTSoIYYs

in this video hes actually building a samsung s10

but you could build a brandless phone

you just need to find parts that are standarized and fit well together

[pallid zinc]

Got a question tho, ig most of the os use the same programming language (c asm etc) and same type of hardware, what makes there os slow and compairtively fast

[quartz kindle]

most operating systems these days use the same basic programs that have been designed decades ago and are pretty much deemed as good as it can get

stuff like memory allocators, cpu scheduler, etc

but how you put all of these together in an operating system can influence how performant it will be

modern operating systems are pretty much all the same these days, the internal differences are not that big

[pallid zinc]

Like windows can hire people who can do it the best, but windows uses like 50% of the ram

[quartz kindle]

thats not the oprating system itself

its all the bloat that they ship it with

a raw pure windows is not much different from a raw pure mac or a raw pure linux

what you're seeing is more the differences between the stuff that the system is shipped with

and how many things the system is shipped with

[earnest phoenix]

Windows is probably the operating system with the most bloat shipped with it

[pallid zinc]

I tried some lite versions of windows too they still consume more then linux or mac

[quartz kindle]

linux is pretty minimalistic, depending on the distribution, usually they ship very minimal things with it

[pallid zinc]

Mac os performance better then linux

[quartz kindle]

mac is very restricted in terms of hardware, so they ship very minimal drivers and programs that are designed and tested in specific hardware only

windows ships with everything and anything just so it can run anywhere and do everything out of the box

[earnest phoenix]

Windows is fun and games until it randomly skyrockets the disk usage to 100% for absolutely no reason

[lyric mountain]

oh that's superfetch/sysmain usually

[quartz kindle]

and windows update

and defender

[lyric mountain]

especially notable if u still use hdd

[quartz kindle]

and those schduled optimizers that windows runs

performance experience and what not

[lyric mountain]

that's superfetch/sysmain

it "optimized files you're most likely to use"

[quartz kindle]

ye

[earnest phoenix]

So much shit running in the background

[quartz kindle]

next format im installing ghostspectre's version

without update and without defender

[earnest phoenix]

Just use Linux like a chad

[cinder patio]

windows defender is good

it's just that it's always goddamn scanning everything

like fuck off

[pallid zinc]

In defending nothing 🥺

[cinder patio]

like any other antivirus programs do shit lol

windows defender is good

[pallid zinc]

I dunno how, but everytime i heard of a new virus they say it can easily bypass the defender

[slender thistle]

It's caught plenty of suspicious stuff for me

[earnest phoenix]

It's usually because it uses patterns to attack the target devices/machines that most anti-virus programs are unfamiliar with

Therefore bypassing the security layer, although anti-viruses nowadays are mostly sharing their investigations and patterns found in thousands or millions of viruses found every week, month or year

So it's mostly unlikely for that to happen, unless it of course finds a new pattern

[quartz kindle]

the only problem i've had with defender is false positives (and its performance cost)

i've never had a bad thing that wasnt caught by it

but next time im gonna remove it, and get something that i can use to scan specific files only

24/7 av is slow af

[earnest phoenix]

There are way too many anti-virus programs though, which one are you gonna choose?

[quartz kindle]

its like blocking the entire system until it green lights

for every single suspicions thing

[quartz kindle]

i've had good results with malwarebytes

but its been a few years since i last used it

idk if its more bloated now

[earnest phoenix]

Malwarebytes is pretty good

[quartz kindle]

i used to run a cracked version

[royal portal]

i heard that its getting worse

[quartz kindle]

but it doesnt work anymore

[pine nova]

💀

isnt malwarebytes free tho

[royal portal]

no

only for 14 days

[pine nova]

I see

[earnest phoenix]

I once found an anti-virus that marked itself as a virus 💀

[pine nova]

lmao

[cinder patio]

All anti-virus have some kind of a virus

[quartz kindle]

malwarebytes is free for scanning, just not free for 24/7 protection

[cinder patio]

and that's a fact

[quartz kindle]

at least it used to be that way

[cinder patio]

except windows defender

but windows itself is a virus so 🤡

[quartz kindle]

windows defender is just a memory hog

xD

[earnest phoenix]

Windows Defender is a worse memory hog than Google Chrome

[quartz kindle]

this looks like a nice test

https://www.av-comparatives.org/comparison/

[earnest phoenix]

I've never heard of Total Defense, but it's doing a pretty good job as it seems

[quartz kindle]

bigger is worse

[earnest phoenix]

Oh

Then it's K7, never heard of it either

[quartz kindle]

its from india lmao

why is "top in japan" even relevant?

lmao

[earnest phoenix]

Heh, I guessed as much, those Indian people who have a tutorial on literally everything, but with either the worst camera, quality or microphone I've ever seen

Those Indian tech support people actually doing something good

[quartz kindle]

oh panda is spanish

i though it was chinese

eset is from slovakia

gdata is german

[vivid fulcrum]

they probably have contracts to have the av preinstalled on a lot of devices so they flex that 💀

[pine nova]

💀

[lyric mountain]

I swear I saw that guy in a movie

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

ah, Trask

[quartz kindle]

xD

[split hazel]

bro i cant with my os

i left it for a month and now everything works

nah i have some major undefined behaviour going on

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[split hazel]

and i cant tell if its in my critical assembly code or c++ code

tf is this code

[lyric mountain]

type-punned

[split hazel]

tf does that mean

wait ok

the compiler actually knows im trying to circumvent it

thats clever

wait can you insert conditional code

so if the template value is x insert this code

[lyric mountain]

uh oh, slowmode inbound

[earnest phoenix]

Nodejs, html, css

Yes

[lyric mountain]

pretty much any language can make web dashboards

the standard are react, flutter, html (html + js + php) and python

[earnest phoenix]

@lyric mountain can you come in #topgg-api

[split hazel]

:o forgot i made a uuid generator for my os

[still storm]

why i cant change h7 tag color??

  h7 {
    color: black !important;
  }
``` i put this in css

[wheat mesa]

h7 isn't a real thing

[uneven plover]

H7 doesnt exists

[wheat mesa]

it's only h1-h6

[uneven plover]

Headings are till 6th level

[still storm]

oh

k

[quartz kindle]

epic games launcher is detected by 1/72 in virustotal lmao

[lyric mountain]

that 1 is fortnite

[lyric mountain]

"h7 isn't real, it can't hurt you"
h7:

[fossil bone]

Can one work a bot without the need to download discord packages?

[lyric mountain]

kinda

[fossil bone]

O.O

I am curious

[lyric mountain]

you can use any api without downloading any wrapper

you just need to send requests manually

[wheat mesa]

(it'll most likely be a pain though)

[lyric mountain]

for sure it will

[fossil bone]

So it's doable!!

[winter pasture]

Yeah, follow the discord API docs https://discord.com/developers/docs/intro

[wheat mesa]

It is possible yes. Recommended without knowing what you're doing though? Not really

[royal portal]

now make it work without the api

[wheat mesa]

But if that's a project you want to do, then go for it

Just a fair warning that the discord api is very vast though

[winter pasture]

And so easy to mess up rate limiting buckets, typings etc

[wheat mesa]

^

There's a lot of library options out there, many of which took a lot of time and research to create

And many people

[lyric mountain]

like, anything that currently exists is possible

there's only a vertical learning curve to deal with

and by vertical I mean like 90°

[fossil bone]

.-.

[winter pasture]

I personally use https://github.com/DasWolke/SnowTransfer and https://github.com/DasWolke/CloudStorm
Super "low level" and light wrapper around the Discord API

Has good type safety and rate limiting

But yeah, not an official endorsement. A few of the libs are listed here https://github.com/advaith1/libs and https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/community-resources#libraries

[fossil bone]

I mean u did get me hyped up for this crazy idea that just crossed my mind

Hope this doesn't fuck me up in the first time lol

Wish me luck

[wheat mesa]

gl

[winter pasture]

lol, have fun

[wheat mesa]

I'll tell you now that discord's gateway is very annoying but starts to make sense after you work with it for a little while

[lyric mountain]

well...yk...it'll be like dark souls if it was 5x harder

[wheat mesa]

lol

[lyric mountain]

at least for the first time

[fossil bone]

;-;

[wheat mesa]

yeah it's by no means a simple task

[fossil bone]

Guys guys c'mon.. think of the gains

[wheat mesa]

just letting you know what to expect 😉

never said it wasn't a good experience to have

[fossil bone]

I just thought of the best idea ever as a poor dude lol i can't afford a bot server forever so i already have a forever free code based web server and everyone subconsciously uses but it's just it belongs to Google and u can't download anything so u just only can code and make it run

[lyric mountain]

if it supports node it supports libraries

[fossil bone]

Therefore ... The solution :) Running the bot without a need to buy a server or downloading packages just making my way coding it

[wheat mesa]

sounds like a really bad google cloud server if it doesn't let you download npm packages

[fossil bone]

Idk really i just got the idea didn't dig much of all it has

[fossil bone]

It's basically a cloud storage that some geniuses found a way to use as a web server

You can download from playstore

[wheat mesa]

I'd recommend using any other free server than that

even replit is probably better than using cloud storage as a webserver somehow

[fossil bone]

Idk really i never tried that

[fossil bone]

No replit keeps crushing

I tried it

[wheat mesa]

there's lots of options out there

I wouldn't recommend trying to get a hacky setup to work, it's better to have a proper environment to some extent

otherwise you'll probably encounter more issues

[fossil bone]

Do you like have a free vps in mind to recommend?

[wheat mesa]

oracle

[spark flint]

oracle

[cinder patio]

Nothing's free

[fossil bone]

I was just about to say thank you

Thanks guys i just checked it

[lyric mountain]

great quality: not free
free: low quality
great quality & free: limited time
free & unlimited time: you're the product (either ads or data selling)
great quality & free & unlimited time: you're being scammed

[fossil bone]

I mean i'm not like gonna run an online Os bot that hacks the world or something it's a simple bot with only 1000 line code not much '-'

[boreal iron]

Death is free, at least for you not so for others

[fossil bone]

So no need for supreme quality

[lyric mountain]

use replit then

with uptime robot

[fossil bone]

-_-

[wheat mesa]

rust is amazing, just converted an entire type-unsafe visitor pattern into a 23 line match expression that is completely safe

[fossil bone]

To the ones that keeps recommending me replit

A very long error about replits users-shared ip that causes my bot to keep crashing

U can hit send '-'

I see you keep typing

Anyway i'll try Oracle if it works i own you something you can ask me for anything because you'll be my life saviour from all the brain suffering i could have had from my old crazy idea ^-^

Matthew.#1403 | 9/5/20, 07:00:51 PM

Any free hosting is/will either:
1. Not actually suitable for hosting for bots
a. Allow you to host bots but does not have enough specs
2. Not actually free
a. Is only a free trial
3. Get your data/token stolen
a. This issue is practically removed when getting from a trusted source (e.g. AWS / Google Cloud (the free (trials) are relatively bad for hosting bots))
b. A token is a string you use to login to a bot, if your token is stolen/leaked your bot can be hacked, think of it as a password, just for a bot account. A bot token allows anyone to do anything with your bot, whether it be mass DM or banning everyone it can or just plain out abusing the API.

<Below is entirely written by @golden condor>
Most free hosts have some sort of catch, limit, security flaw or are ineffective for discord bots

Generally speaking, most free hosts have one or more of these flaws, but not all do, some are fine:
1. Limits - they may limit storage, ram or CPU and sometimes these limits can be reasonable

2. Are a scam - many hosts promise free hosting but they never actually give it to you

3. Have catches - might have a lot of downtime or require you to watch ads or might sell your data etc.

4. Incompatible with some libraries - most free hosts can't use things like sqlite, ffmpeg or others meaning you can't store data or play music which can be bad but is not bad unless your bot does any of these things (e.g Heroku)

List of good hosts: https://discordapp.com/channels/264445053596991498/272764566411149314/576818380498010112

I just noticed this pinged lol

[golden condor]

what

[fossil bone]

I quoted

[golden condor]

oh

[fossil bone]

You were pinged in the quote

[golden condor]

ok

[fossil bone]

Sorry for accidentally summoning you

[golden condor]

that's ok

[pine nova]

aye can someone explain partials to me (in discordjs) and how do they work?

💀

[winter pasture]

In short, DiscordJS caches messages, channels, reactions etc.
Sometimes cache gets evicted(cleared), or the bot may have been down and therefore never put the message/channel/reaction/etc in cache

By default, DiscordJS will just ignore the event if (like a reaction on a message it does not have in cache)

Partials allows you to enable the ability to still get events on things it does not have in cache

[pine nova]

oh

i see

[winter pasture]

So you can detect a partial like this

But a lot of the data will still not be avalible

So you use this to get the missing data/structure

[pine nova]

oh

thank u

[simple stump]

How can I resize/re-center iframes? When I use width: 100% or height: 100%, the frame becomes extremely small. I want to set the size to the original frame of the page (let's say 100vh), but without having a white space at the bottom and/or have it be responsive. I'm using set values (for example 55vh as the width and height as 100%), but this value doesn't work on all devices such as my phone. Also, 100vh seems to add a white space at the bottom. I'm not sure how to fix this. This is the code I'm working with:
HTML:

<div id="container">
  <iframe srcdoc="html here" id="frame" />
</div>

CSS:

#container {
  position: "relative";
  width: "100vh";
  padding-top: "56.25%"; /* Attempt at using aspect ratios */
  height: 0;
}

#container iframe {
  position: "absolute";
  top: 0;
  left: 0;
  width: "100%";
  height: "100%";
}

[quartz kindle]

you're using width: 100vh?

vh is height, not width

oh you tried using the padding trick for aspect ratio

put everything inside another container and make it a flexbox

[slender thistle]

Is it wrong to make body a flexbox? 😆

[quartz kindle]

i doubt it would be "wrong", but its rarely used

unless your page is really simple and only really contains one thing

[slender thistle]

Got it

[quartz kindle]

you could make a vertical flexbox and have header, body and footer be the flex items

[slender thistle]

True

On another note, I'm supposed to find out the model of the mouse I'm using. The thing is, the information on the bottom of it has been completely erased by now, and Speccy isn't reporting anything other than the manufacturer

[boreal iron]

Risk something, go with a new model

[slender thistle]

Eh

True

[boreal iron]

Choose a one with adjustable DPI

[wheat mesa]

whoops...

guess who forgot to advance in the string after finding the parenthesis

[slender thistle]

lol

[wheat mesa]

I love how incredibly easy it is to model an AST in rust tho

This is my entire AST ```rs
pub enum Node {
Number(f64),
UnaryExpr {
operator: TokenType,
child: Box<Node>,
},
BinaryExpr {
operator: TokenType,
lhs: Box<Node>,
rhs: Box<Node>
},
GroupingExpr {
child: Box<Node>
}
}

amazing language

I was fighting the borrow checker earlier but I realized I was using a lifetime for something I don't need to use a lifetime for

[slender thistle]

[woeful pike]

Box moment

[simple stump]

Okay! Thank you.

[split hazel]

can i steal something in rust instead of borrowing it

[simple stump]

Aight I just tried it but then everything disappears. I'm assuming it's because the frame has position: absolute, but when setting the extra div to position: relative, everything is still hidden. I'm using React, so I also tried wrapping everything in <Flex position={"relative"}>, but that didn't fix the issue either. I'll mess around a bit more but this is what I have right now:

<div position="relative">
  <div id="container">
    <iframe srcdoc="html here" id="frame" />
  </div>
</div>

[simple stump]

copyright moment

[split hazel]

@quartz kindle my os is getting async/await support

or well not my os but its being added to the software toolchain

[boreal iron]

PHP support when?

[split hazel]

the basis is pretty simple wrap anything that takes long in a class and then call .await() on it / .isdone etc

[split hazel]

bro i aint adding php

[boreal iron]

Bitch do it!!1!

How can you refuse to implement modern technologies

[split hazel]

stupid

oh nooo i have to use templates to make this

for some reason intellisense switches off as soon as you make a template

which is like one of the selling points of c++

like its completely off

[boreal iron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/483252234579083268/932614697780408330/unknown.png

[split hazel]

fun fact modern opreating systems dont have this function

threads are expected to kill themselves

[wheat mesa]

fn main() {
  let test: String = String::new();
  fucking_steal_it(test);
}

// Steals your stack memory too!
fn fucking_steal_it(string: String) {
  run();
}

fn run() {
  main();
}

[split hazel]

bro really stole something in rust

[wheat mesa]

stole the entire call stack too

[quartz kindle]

wtf is that

just looks like an infinite loop

[split hazel]

i'll see what the rust community has to say about that

[wheat mesa]

It indeed is

But at least it takes ownership of the string!

[split hazel]

tim reacting for the first time in his life?

[quartz kindle]

nop

me has reacted before

have you guys seen those mythic ai chips? that shit's amazing

analog cpu for ai

[solemn latch]

analog cpu's are so cool

[sharp geyser]

So Xetera brought up a point of not wanting to think about it when it comes to demodding a user. They shouldn't have to do anything after removing their role that gives them those moderator permissions. So I am trying to think of a way to handle permissions for my bot. Not only are there discord permissions to manage but I also have custom permissions myself and guild owners or anyone who has the MANAGE_SERVER permission can create permission groups that can have a permission set. My original idea of just adding/removing users from those permission groups just seem a annoying as Xetera said, you'd have actively think about removing them from the permission group so they no longer have those permissions which can be really annoying having to constantly remember to remove someone once you no longer want them to be mod. Any ideas on how I can design a system that leaves as little as possible for the bot user to do and more so let the bot handle majority of the work.

[royal portal]

are you just demodding the user on a discord server?!?!1

[sharp geyser]

Well no, because I have my own permission system as well. Essentially a server owner can make a permission group, set the permissions it has, and as of right now add a user/role to it. But I feel like having to remember if you want that user/role to have perms or not and then removing it like Xetera was explaining last night is a bit annoying to do. I want to leave the user to do as little work as possible

[royal portal]

maybe create permission group templates

which creates the roles and perms

[sharp geyser]

I don't like the idea of a bot creating roles and managing the permissions of said roles tbh

That could be very nefarious

[royal portal]

but what if the server owner could change the perms after

the template is there to make it easier

[sharp geyser]

Mmmm, but that would end up being pointless in this case here.

The permissions of the group has nothing to do with discord rather my own internal permissions

[royal portal]

what are internal permissions used for?!?!1

[sharp geyser]

They make it so if you do not belong to a permission group in that guild with the permission the command requires to run then you can't use it

So for example, a ban list of all the users banned in the server would require the VIEW_BAN_LIST permission

[royal portal]

dont see how removing them from the group is an issue

[sharp geyser]

Well right now it is setup so individual users are added to the group. Which is rather annoying to have to remember to remove the user from the group after you already take their discord permissions away. So I am wondering if using roles would be a better alternative

[royal portal]

it would be better with roles

because you no longer have the permissions once your role is removed

[solemn latch]

isnt that already included in ban members?

I dont see why you need your own permissions then

[royal portal]

isnt it easier to just give someone a role and remove it?!?!1

[solemn latch]

I'm going to be honest, 99% of the time your own permission system will 100% line up with discords

[royal portal]

unless its used for a site

[ancient nova]

    setInterval(() => {
        client.user.setActivity(`hating ${client.guilds.cache.size}/100 servers.`, { type: "COMPETING" });
    }, 300000);
``` why doesn't my bot have any activity?

this block of code is in the ready event so how come it's not working?

[sharp geyser]

This is entirely separate

[spark flint]

COMPETING is a type??

[sharp geyser]

ban list would be the ban record specific to your guild.

[ancient nova]

iit was introducted like a year ago

and yea it is

[sharp geyser]

So it lists every single person that has been banned, and the reason why, the person who did so, the day it happened, etc

[solemn latch]

doesnt discord include that?

[royal portal]

yes they do

[sharp geyser]

It is custom data so no

[ancient nova]

any1 know why the activity does not show up then

no error

[sharp geyser]

It is really hard to explain

[tawdry path]

How to change the coins you earn from Topgg ?

Is this where you ask?

[sharp geyser]

Essentially the ban list the bot has should be private to only those who have the permission to view it. Server owners may not want everyone with BAN_MEMBERS to view the list of people who've been banned

[spark flint]

you can only use them for auctions (https://auctions.top.gg)

[ancient nova]

so like

[sharp geyser]

It is a bad example tbh I suck at explaining things woo

[solemn latch]

but they already can

[sharp geyser]

No

Ban members does not give access to audit logs if you are talking bout that

[solemn latch]

nope, just ban logs

[sharp geyser]

Which gives you virtually nothing

[ancient nova]

is it possible to create a command to list all banned people?

[sharp geyser]

Well ofc

[ancient nova]

how to?

[spark flint]

probably not something to add tho

#Privacy

[sharp geyser]

Key thing here is though I won't be fetching banned users from discord just from my database

[ancient nova]

I remember it was something like this in v11 ```js
message.guild.fetchBans()

[solemn latch]

so it wont be the actual banned members list, just something else?

[spark flint]

message.guild.fetchBan("USERID")``` works now iirc

[spark flint]

a global ban database

[ancient nova]

only for people with admin perms

or the owner

[sharp geyser]

No it is a global ban list

[ancient nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp geyser]

So it has users banned from other servers as well

Which ofc you don't want just anyone seeing

[ancient nova]

ok so js message.guild.bans.fetch()

?

[sharp geyser]

don't think fetch returns all bans in the server but 🤷‍♀️

Something you will have to READ THE DOCS to figure out

[solemn latch]

wouldnt that be considered public data then?