development

[cinder patio]

struct A {
  b: B
}

#[derive(Default)]
struct B {
   a: usize
}

// in code
A {
  // You still have to supply the `b` field with a value, even if the type `B` has a default value
  b: B::default()
}

[dusk vault]

B::default()

lol

[cinder patio]

why do you find that funny?

lmao

[dusk vault]

it lets you not specify it

[split hazel]

c++ developers answering just to say namespace std is a bad practice

[dusk vault]

so ..Default::default() fills in the rest

so you can modify ones you need and default the others

[cinder patio]

but that doesn't matter because you STILL HAVE TO SPECIFY SOMETHING

you can't exclude the whole field altogether

[wheat mesa]

The idea here is that most languages have default values for most types in structs/objects

For example, objects in java default to null, integral types default to 0, and floating point types default to 0.0

[dusk vault]

eh, the idea is that data types and values are clearly separated I think

[wheat mesa]

Without needing to specify anything

(and booleans false ofc)

[dusk vault]

this being implicit can result in buggy code

[wheat mesa]

I disagree

[dusk vault]

almost half of java errors seem to be an NPE

[wheat mesa]

If your error in java is a NPE then consider yourself lucky

[lyric mountain]

how tf

[wheat mesa]

those are usually incredibly easy to fix

[dusk vault]

Java exceptions be like

[lyric mountain]

npe is the least common error as long as you pay half attention to ur code

[wheat mesa]

It's your fault if you forget to instantiate something in the constructor

[lyric mountain]

very descriptive, and point to the EXACT place it occurred?

[cinder patio]

Rust handles empty values way better with Option

fuck null

[wheat mesa]

I do like Option a lot

[split hazel]

c++ users realizing you cant do ++ and -- in rust

[dusk vault]

I just think it's cleaner to explicitly specify Option or | null

[wheat mesa]

compared to null

But at the same time I love java I'll be honest

[dusk vault]

oh no 1 more character

[wheat mesa]

It's simple but elegant and powerful

[split hazel]

2+*

[wheat mesa]

java users realizing you can't do ```java
class A {
static int i = 1111;

static {
    i = i-- - --i;
}

{
    i = i++ + ++i;
}

}

class B extends A {
static {
i = --i - i--;
}

{
    i = ++i + i++;
}

}

public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) {
B b = new B();
System.out.println(b.i);
}
}

[dusk vault]

LOL

jesus christ

[split hazel]

c++ users realizing you cant make a runtime string in c

[lyric mountain]

you cant chain increments in rust?

[wheat mesa]

there's no ++ or -- in rust

[dusk vault]

no, they're statements iirc

[lyric mountain]

what do they use?

[dusk vault]

+= -=

[wheat mesa]

+= and -=

[lyric mountain]

tf

[dusk vault]

that's pretty standard

[wheat mesa]

there's some reason for it I can't remember

[split hazel]

rust copied python change my mind

especially with the naked if conditions

[wheat mesa]

but to be fair I rarely find myself writing += 1 or -= 1 in rust anyways because I'm usually writing for loops like for i in 0..=100

[dusk vault]

not having () everywhere is nice imo

[cinder patio]

you can still have ()

[dusk vault]

and requiring a body

[cinder patio]

they're optional

[dusk vault]

it's a warning

[cinder patio]

yeah

you can ignore it

[dusk vault]

lol

[wheat mesa]

they're optional but it doesn't follow standard conventions to use them

[dusk vault]

it's just making an unecessary expression, not actually part of the if syntax

[wheat mesa]

idk, that's the only part about rust that I don't really like

coming from languages that have that every time just feels weird

[dusk vault]

pretty minor difference

[wheat mesa]

it's something I can deal with in exchange for nice memory management

[split hazel]

rust used to have for i in range(..) instead of for i in 1..5 rust copying python exposed

[dusk vault]

yeah

[cinder patio]

that's not true, otherwise that'd be creating a tuple

[dusk vault]

no, it's only a tuple if you suffix with a comma I think

(5) + 3 works still

it's just grouping

yeah (value,) is a 1 item tuple

or (type,)

otherwise grouping in math wouldn't work

and for ranges 0..(num + 1)

[wheat mesa]

ranges are nice

[dusk vault]

ye

[wheat mesa]

that's a feature I could get used to in other languages

[dusk vault]

C developers when no for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++)

[lyric mountain]

try groovy someday

[dusk vault]

nah, Kotlin

lmao

[lyric mountain]

groovy is actually even more versatile than kotlin

[wheat mesa]

I don't really have an interest in trying kotlin tbh

I've seen it, I don't really like the way it looks

[dusk vault]

no, they're all JVM langs

[wheat mesa]

I'm a syntax-ist

[lyric mountain]

I said versatile

versatility is syntax-wise

[dusk vault]

Kotlin actually supports Node.js and compiling as well

You haven't used Kotlin

[wheat mesa]

just make your own jvm lang :troll:

[dusk vault]

lol

[lyric mountain]

and you haven't used groovy

[dusk vault]

I have

[wheat mesa]

and jvm lang != easy to do the same exact things

[lyric mountain]

ah yes, the guy who coded in java for 2 years

now you also coded in groovy for 10 years?

[wheat mesa]

just means they can technically do all of the same things

[dusk vault]

you got a problem?

[lyric mountain]

nah, I see lang haters here all the time

I don't really care for "X is better than Y" as long as it fills my needs

[dusk vault]

I just speak facts :P

[wheat mesa]

I hate python smile

[lyric mountain]

source: trustme.com

[wheat mesa]

though inevitably I'll have to learn it one day most likely

[dusk vault]

Seriously though, what's your problem

You feeling insecure?

[lyric mountain]

bruh, you're the one who came shit talking about java out of nowhere

[wheat mesa]

pretty much impossible to work a dev job without knowing how to make little python scripts

[lyric mountain]

I'm just replying

[dusk vault]

it's nice for some things, but I wouldn't use it for anything where I care about performance

[wheat mesa]

I dislike it for many reasons

[dusk vault]

yeah it's a messed up language

[wheat mesa]

syntax and speed being the main two

[lyric mountain]

your opinion

[dusk vault]

my main gripe with Python is the module system

[wheat mesa]

It's just that it's a very useful language for making things like installation scripts and such

[dusk vault]

it's ambiguous

[wheat mesa]

you look in any git repo of an open source software and there's bound to be some python in there

[lyric mountain]

python is a scripting lang, it's people who insist to use it for fully fledged systems

[wheat mesa]

(and shell most likely)

[lyric mountain]

I most of the time use python for file management or automated stuff

heard doing robotics is nice with it too

[dusk vault]

true, the company I work for uses C++ for performance heavy things and writes the rest in Python

though I'd personally have chosen TS and or Rust

but it's good as it is as well

[lyric mountain]

ts is mono-thread

[dusk vault]

again, the performance heavy code isn't written in a scripting language

but Node.js specifically (not TS) has worker threads & is JIT compiled

so it's fairly performant

you can always just run multiple processes as well

[wheat mesa]

I think python is probably more convenient for writing small scripts than ts

[lyric mountain]

it's more a multi-process environment than a multi-thread env

nearly the same, but not quite

[dusk vault]

over half their codebase is written in Python though

[wheat mesa]

As much as I hate to admit it, python is definitely useful

[dusk vault]

it's a blockchain

[wheat mesa]

ew crypto

you will never convince me that crypto is a good investment

I just call it a gamble

[dusk vault]

not trying to

lol

[wheat mesa]

ik just saying

[dusk vault]

I like learning the underlying cryptography

it's interesting stuff

[wheat mesa]

I'm gonna stick with parsing

[split hazel]

you're the type of guy to screenshot an nft and say you own it

[wheat mesa]

no

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[dusk vault]

parsing is fun

[lyric mountain]

nft is just e-money laundering

[wheat mesa]

I hope nft values just tank one day

[dusk vault]

spent a long time writing recursive descent parsers, but never much else

[wheat mesa]

completely tank

[dusk vault]

ok leftist

[lyric mountain]

politics now?

tf

[dusk vault]

kek

[wheat mesa]

he's not wrong (kuuhaku)

[dusk vault]

it's not a fault of the technology, but rather the people using it

[wheat mesa]

I feel like that's the underlying reason as to why they have any sort of value

[dusk vault]

lots of scams out there atm

[wheat mesa]

rich people wanting to avoid taxes in some way or another

[lyric mountain]

ultra-expensive art is money laundering too, it just got digital now

[slender thistle]

US feds were looking into ways to monitor crypto recently iirc

[dusk vault]

they have it on the tax forms now

[wheat mesa]

I think cryptocurrency was pushing the lines of real currency but NFTs are just blatantly worthless

[dusk vault]

and every exchange has KYC

[lyric mountain]

they want to monitor an unmonitorable currency?

[wheat mesa]

it's gonna be pretty difficult to monitor

[lyric mountain]

like, isn't that the entire reason for crypto? total anon

[slender thistle]

Found the tweet

[dusk vault]

yeah I don't own any NFTs since
A. Ethereum is terrible for a variety of reasons
B. The art is shit
C. It's not worth the investment

[slender thistle]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1533499159571058691

NBC News (@NBCNews)

A growing number of state and local prosecutors and law enforcement officials are embracing digital tools that can monitor blockchains and are gaining the expertise necessary to track and seize stolen cryptocurrencies. https://t.co/7f90bPDURV

Twitter · Jun 5, 2022, 5:21 PM

[wheat mesa]

I don't own any NFTs since
A. They're fucking stupid
B. They're fucking stupid
C. It's not an investment
D. You will inevitably lose your money
E. NFTs are the dumbest shit to exist as a representation of real world value

[dusk vault]

lol

Just because I work for a blockchain doesn't mean I agree with all of the Bitcoin and Ethereum maxis

[wheat mesa]

I wonder if people realized that they could do the exact same thing but have real value by just paying real artists what their work is worth

[lyric mountain]

nfts are supposed to be reserved for physical objects, like mona lisa

[dusk vault]

to be fair NFTs have other uses

[lyric mountain]

like, stuff that can't be traded for equally-valued stuff

[dusk vault]

they haven't been explored yet though

[lyric mountain]

digital is anything but unique, anything can be copied or reproduced

[wheat mesa]

Like showing off the fact that you could've bought a house but instead you have a hexagonal profile picture on twitter

[dusk vault]

no, to prove you own your house

[wheat mesa]

Or, you could just buy a house and not have to prove it to anyone

[dusk vault]

NFTs aren't even necessarily graphical

[dusk vault]

so you just walk into someone's house and claim you own it without proving it?

[wheat mesa]

buy a house

[dusk vault]

who proves you bought it

[quartz kindle]

you can use them for tickets, passes, club membership, status, etc

[dusk vault]

yeah, like BAYC is doing

[wheat mesa]

The title of the house that has real value because you paid for it

[dusk vault]

or trying to (they keep getting hacked lmfao)

[wheat mesa]

The house is where the value is stored, the title just says you own it

[lyric mountain]

club membership
ultra-vip club for Sad Monkey™️ owners

[dusk vault]

the idea is that it's digitally provable though

[wheat mesa]

And the idea is still stupid

[dusk vault]

not really

the world is moving digital

[wheat mesa]

It's just throwing money around in hopes that rich people will throw more cash into it so you'll make money

It's not a real investment in my eyes

[dusk vault]

that's the image side of NFTs

[wheat mesa]

The images are worthless

[dusk vault]

the thing I'm describing doesn't exist yet

[wheat mesa]

It's just the receipt that has value

When in reality it shouldn't

Not to mention it's fucking terrible for the environment

[dusk vault]

Ethereum*

[lyric mountain]

you don't get the print paper waffle

just the digital pixels in the form of text

[wheat mesa]

mining crypto

NFTs are all associated with ETH or some form of crypto

[dusk vault]

currently yes

[wheat mesa]

Which about 95% or more of crypto is terrible for the environment

[dusk vault]

check out Chia, it's entire focus is the environment

[wheat mesa]

That's just an estimation

[dusk vault]

they're even partnering with the Climate Warehouse lol

[lyric mountain]

terrible for pc owners too

[wheat mesa]

Yeah

[lyric mountain]

fuckin gpu prices got to the moon

[wheat mesa]

I got lucky, got my rtx 2070 before prices skyrocketed

now 3 years later it's worth more than I bought it for

[lyric mountain]

I planned to upgrade my note this year, but the prices more than doubled

covid didn't help either

[wheat mesa]

yeah

tbh I'm glad I overbuilt my pc in 2019

It's still running strong today

And I would be very upset if I had to buy a new GPU or part atm due to prices

Only things that have ever broke in my PC was a freakout with my SSD where it got fried somehow, and my cheap network card that I bought for 10 bucks and lasted 2 years

[lyric mountain]

it'll probably last a long time, it'll be hard to make another big jump as rtx did

[wheat mesa]

Thankfully I had nothing of value on that SSD that couldn't be replaced

One day I just booted up my pc and it refused to boot into windows

[lyric mountain]

are u using nvme or box ssd?

[wheat mesa]

Looked at it in the BIOS and it said that it had 0.0gb/0.0gb capacity lol

box ssd

didn't want to shell out the extra cash for an nvme

they were still pretty expensive at the time I bought it

[lyric mountain]

get a low-capacity one just for the os and stuff that you really crave for performance

mine is 256gb (2019, when it wasn't so expensive), most stuff barely take time loading

[wheat mesa]

yeah maybe in the future

I have a 500gb box ssd

pretty fast

then I have a 1tb hdd for storage of mass stuff

which tbh I haven't used for much other than a few steam games that I don't play too often

yeah my steam folder on that disk is 167gb

I probably should've put llvm on that disk...

[lyric mountain]

hdd is a must if u have huge stuff

[wheat mesa]

I usually manage my space pretty well

I like to keep 100gb+-ish free on my ssd

if you get too low on storage things start to slow down

I used to have a weird problem with my pc randomly shutting off, uninstalled valorant and never had that problem since lmao

[lyric mountain]

ye, ssd needs some padding to maintain speed

[dusk vault]

i just have a 1TB M.2 SSD

[wheat mesa]

No blue screen or anything, just literally shut off too

[lyric mountain]

ever heard of the case of valorant melting pcs?

[wheat mesa]

Nope

[lyric mountain]

at the beginning, vanguard had some weird issues where it disabled cpu fan

[wheat mesa]

I don't like vanguard at all

[split hazel]

i think its because of windows disk fragmentation

[wheat mesa]

Too invasive

[lyric mountain]

indeed is

[split hazel]

if there aint too much space left it probably has to move around some stuff and place data in awkward places

ntfs has absolutely no fragmentation prevention

[dusk vault]

I hate windows but I have to use it for games

[lyric mountain]

that's for hdds

there's another reason for ssd, don't remember it tho

[split hazel]

ssds dont magically prevent fragmenation

it still happens the effects are just different

[lyric mountain]

ssd is immune to fragmentation slowdown, since it has no moving parts

it can still be fragmented

[dusk vault]

ssds are immune to ur mom

[lyric mountain]

shut hobbyist

[dusk vault]

literally have a job that makes more than ur family but ok

[lyric mountain]

yes yes, whatever

[wheat mesa]

I don't have a job :C

[dusk vault]

rip

[lyric mountain]

https://pureinfotech.com/why-solid-state-drive-ssd-performance-slows-down/

[wheat mesa]

Rightfully so though, I'm by no means ready to be a dev lmao

[dusk vault]

lol

[wheat mesa]

Still got a long ways to go

[lyric mountain]

you're a dev harry

[wheat mesa]

lol

[dusk vault]

"solid state drive ssd"

[wheat mesa]

I'm 16 and I started with a djs bot when I was 15

[split hazel]

ssd owners after they realize they have a limited write cycle after reinstalling windows 10x

[wheat mesa]

That was my first "development" experience

my god if I could look back on that codebase

[dusk vault]

I mean it's good experience

[lyric mountain]

when you don't open the page

url doesn't allow ()

[dusk vault]

just funny

auto generated url moment

[wheat mesa]

I have a mc mod I'm supposed to throw an update at by the end of the week but at the same time I'm kinda lazy and I don't want to

[lyric mountain]

do it at friday

near 18:00h

[wheat mesa]

lmao might not be possible to do it that fast

[dusk vault]

forge or fabric

[wheat mesa]

forge

all of it is related to chat messages pretty much, the problem being that I don't necessarily have the needed info to update the mod since most of it is rng

So I don't know what I'm really supposed to add quite yet

[split hazel]

ssd users realizing if they dont power on the drive for a couple of years data loss will occur

[dusk vault]

[wheat mesa]

Plus forge is a whole clusterfuck

and I need to update the UI but I kinda don't want to lay a finger on ogl

[dusk vault]

fabric is much nicer but sadly not much (comparatively) supports it yet

[lyric mountain]

I wanted to use ogl, but it feels so weird to use

[wheat mesa]

currently to move around stat displays (which are just rectangles of text pretty much), you have to use like 30 sliders

which is becoming impossibly unmaintainable as I add more stat displays

I also need to figure out a better json setting storage system

my trackers are probably like 1000 lines of code in a project that only has 2.5k lines

[lyric mountain]

json storage

[wheat mesa]

it's for settings

and trackers

it auto saves every time they close the settings gui and every 5 mins, and when they close the game

[lyric mountain]

use an sqlite file, everything uses it

[wheat mesa]

nah

json is fine for this case

Haven't had any issues, it's just a little annoying to create more trackers

Currently the way I do it is... really bad

[split hazel]

sqlite users realizing there is a performance penalty when you manipulate and update too many strings

[dusk vault]

sqlite users realizing better databases exist

[wheat mesa]

I basically have a hashmap for storing all the loot, and then I just make getters and setters in the class to manipulate the map, then the map is serialized into json

[dusk vault]

average java user be like

[wheat mesa]

problem is...

I didn't think this through very well

[dusk vault]

oh god

[wheat mesa]

it's just easy to serialize and deserialize

[lyric mountain]

gl trying to fit as much data inside a single file as sqlite

[dusk vault]

imagine using a single file

[lyric mountain]

use {{}}

[wheat mesa]

and it's a safe external api, but when I need to mess with settings and add more stuff it's really annoying

gets kinda old writing this over and over

I'll have to refactor it sometime

[dusk vault]

oh jesus christ

[wheat mesa]

I need to think of a better solution

Imagine that code, but for 4 different classes

[lyric mountain]

you could use moshi + class mapping for that

[wheat mesa]

agh

[lyric mountain]

that way u can deal with the json file as if it was a normal class

[wheat mesa]

I only do it like this because it's easy to serialize and deserialize with simple-json

[dusk vault]

simple json is nice

[wheat mesa]

it's better than the way I used to do it in a previous project

used to have an entire class just full of static global variables

[dusk vault]

lol

[split hazel]

java and c# users realizing they have to use classes and objects in order to create and deserialize json

[dusk vault]

ikr

[wheat mesa]

classes represent json really well

imo

[split hazel]

its so annoying

statically typed json 🤮

[lyric mountain]

json is supposed to be represented by a class tbh

[split hazel]

one name change and its over

[dusk vault]

no, it's not

[lyric mountain]

o stands for object

[wheat mesa]

that's why annotations exist and such

like in c#

[dusk vault]

it's supposed to be represented by JavaScript Objects

which are not classes

[wheat mesa]

[JsonProperty("name_here")]

[lyric mountain]

which are anon classes

[dusk vault]

no

they aren't

[wheat mesa]

object is in the name

[cinder patio]

object doesn't necessarily mean class instance

[dusk vault]

they're objects

[wheat mesa]

classes can represent key value really easily

[dusk vault]

not as easy as objects can

[wheat mesa]

and they're easy to serialize models because they're just a collection of properties with values

[split hazel]

c++ libs dont use classes/structs for json instead they use maps

[cinder patio]

Can't you use interfaces n C# instead of classes

[wheat mesa]

uhhhh

[lyric mountain]

they're Object instances no?

[wheat mesa]

I don't think you can deserialize to an interface in C#

[dusk vault]

no

[wheat mesa]

or maybe it's the other way around

you might not be able to serialize an interface

[dusk vault]

not every object has a prototype

[wheat mesa]

can't remember, but I had problems with interfaces at some point

[dusk vault]

in JS

[dusk vault]

interfaces in Java aren't really true interfaces iirc

same with generics

[wheat mesa]

Why not

[lyric mountain]

generics in java all must have Object as a common ancestor, I don't see why it's less generic than using Something<int>

[dusk vault]

ye, a constructor

typeof is very old and poorly written

typeof null === 'object'

[dusk vault]

type erasure

it's not true generics

it's only compile-time

[wheat mesa]

because null is technically the value of an object, it's just the absence of one

[dusk vault]

nope, it was confirmed as a bug

[wheat mesa]

makes sense in my mind at least, coming from java

[dusk vault]

null should not work the way it does in Java

that's the reason modern languages are commonly "null safe"

[lyric mountain]

how should nulls work then?

[dusk vault]

be a separate type

lol

[wheat mesa]

I think null is a perfectly fine concept if you understand the caveats, but I do prefer rust's Option

[lyric mountain]

null has no type

[quartz kindle]

In the first implementation of JavaScript, JavaScript values were represented as a type tag and a value. The type tag for objects was 0. null was represented as the NULL pointer (0x00 in most platforms). Consequently, null had 0 as type tag, hence the "object" typeof return value. (reference)

A fix was proposed for ECMAScript (via an opt-in), but was rejected. It would have resulted in typeof null === 'null'.

[dusk vault]

solely because of backwards compatibility

[dusk vault]

it should in TS/JS

not everything is Java

[lyric mountain]

we were talking abt java

[dusk vault]

no we weren't

lol

[lyric mountain]

^

[wheat mesa]

^

lol

[dusk vault]

[lyric mountain]

hey why does yours have a @ while mine does no?

ah, u pinged

[quartz kindle]

java and javascript are the same thing, just like car and carpet :^)

[wheat mesa]

you must've disabled the @

yeah

[dusk vault]

😫

[lyric mountain]

didn't notice discord showed whether u pinged or not

[wheat mesa]

ham and hamster

they probably taste similar

[dusk vault]

JavaScript being named the way it is is a severe marketing failure

[wheat mesa]

wasn't originally named javascript

[lyric mountain]

ecmascript

[wheat mesa]

the company wanted to make it familiar because of java's popularity at the time

[lyric mountain]

what does ecma stands for btw?

[dusk vault]

hence marketing failure

[wheat mesa]

it was originally called mocha I think

[quartz kindle]

external computerized marketing asshats

[dusk vault]

European Computer Manufacturers Association Script

apparently

[lyric mountain]

had to be the british /s

[dusk vault]

AppleScript be like

[quartz kindle]

microsoft jscript

[dusk vault]

oh god

C#ava

[wheat mesa]

fun fact that I learned about: discord has syntax highlighting for x86

[slender thistle]

CScript

[dusk vault]

isn't it like x86_nasm_asm or some shit

[quartz kindle]

nasmasm

[wheat mesa]

.section text
  mov eax, 1

; I don't remember enough asm

[lyric mountain]

C# is literally java after sun didn't allow microsoft to name it Java++

[dusk vault]

lmfao

Java#

[lyric mountain]

no, really, it wasn't originally supposed to be called C#

[dusk vault]

Microsoft really do be copying everything out here

[lyric mountain]

they didn't try electric cars yet

or at least I think

[quartz kindle]

yet

[dusk vault]

Microdick Winshit

[quartz kindle]

imagine an electric car running on some windows platform

[dusk vault]

BSOD moment

[split hazel]

asm users realizing there are no if statements

[quartz kindle]

"accident caused by bsod in electric car"

[dusk vault]

isn't that basically just jmp

[spark flint]

apple car

[split hazel]

no you have to compare a value then do a conditional jump

[dusk vault]

ah yes apple is microsoft

[quartz kindle]

"accident caused by kernel panic"

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[split hazel]

car crashed because of segmentation fault

[dusk vault]

windows car be like "turning it off doesn't actually turn it off"

[lyric mountain]

highway fault

[quartz kindle]

apple car be like "oh the browser isnt working? you'll have to replace the entire car"

[split hazel]

repair: $932852395823
new car: $9999

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[dusk vault]

looks like apple mouse

apple car: "beachball covers entire front screen causing wreck"

[quartz kindle]

does it also have the charging port under the car?

[dusk vault]

oh god

u have to flip it upside down to charge it

imagine

[quartz kindle]

yes

[lyric mountain]

there's one for that too

[wheat mesa]

stupid question, how do I implement display for an enum in rust to display like LeftParen if the enum's value is TokenType::LeftParen

[dusk vault]

[quartz kindle]

xDDDD

[split hazel]

bruh

[wheat mesa]

lmfaooo

[dusk vault]

#[derive(Debug)]?

assuming this is for dbg!()

[wheat mesa]

No I meant impl Display for TokenType, the fmt function

[dusk vault]

oh

idk

my speedometer when driving:

[quartz kindle]

ever seen a fine caused by a broken speed camera?

[dusk vault]

no

[wheat mesa]

they have speed cameras that automatically hand out fines?

[dusk vault]

yeah

[wheat mesa]

ouch

[dusk vault]

they usually have a sign telling you tho

i think its a legal requirement

[quartz kindle]

there were sevaral ive heard of around here, dude in a bike was fined for driving at 800km/h according to the speed cam

[wheat mesa]

in texas they even declared that red light cameras are unlawful lmao

[dusk vault]

lol speeding on a bike

based

[quartz kindle]

he went to appeal the fine and was rejected

[dusk vault]

what

lmao

[quartz kindle]

because if the speed cam says so, then thats what it is, we cant to anything

[dusk vault]

bro

sounds about right, our court system is trash

[quartz kindle]

driving a bike at airplane speeds exdee

[dusk vault]

[sonic lodge]

you'd do something like this

use std::fmt::{Display, Formatter, Result};

enum TokenType {
    LeftParen
}

impl Display for TokenType {
    fn fmt(&self, f: &mut Formatter) -> Result {
        match self {
            TokenType::LeftParen => write!(f, "LeftParen"),
        }
    }
}

then you can

fn main() {
    println!("{}", TokenType::LeftParen);
}

though if you derived debug it would print the same thing

[wheat mesa]

in theory could I just derive debug and then do something stupid like ```rs
impl Display for TokenType {
fn fmt(&self, f: &mut Formatter) -> Result {
write!(f, "{:?}", &self);
}
}

Or does that not work

[sonic lodge]

that works too

im not experienced enough to say if thats "rusty" though lol

[split hazel]

the windows c api sucks so much

[wheat mesa]

The windows api sucks

[lyric mountain]

corporate wants you to find the difference between lParam and wParam

[split hazel]

does rust make it better

i kinda wanna make a trojan

(for educational purposes)

but the windows api is impossible to work with

[timid geyser]

my old linxu machine

before I wiped it

[lyric mountain]

you can put perfume on shit as much as you want, won't change the fact it's shit

[split hazel]

doesnt make it better 💀

yeah but you can like

abstract it maybe

to cut out some of the stupid steps

like receiving windows events is a mess

pretty sure you cant do it with a single file

you have to have one exe and one dll file

[lyric mountain]

the one who makes a clean abstracted winapi wrapper will be the next node-ips dude

[split hazel]

i dont understand the joke

[lyric mountain]

not a joke, but if someone makes a good enough clean wrapper for winapi pretty much EVERYONE would use it

save for a few enterprises that have their own wrapper

[split hazel]

isnt that a good thing

[lyric mountain]

it is, but nobody achieved that yet afaik

because it'd the an ultimate task to wrap everything

[wheat mesa]

yeah you can't copy your node_modules folder, don't do that

copy your package.json then run npm i

[timid geyser]

ah alright

Thank you

[split hazel]

you called linux linxu opinion disregarded

[timid geyser]

speedtyping issue

I am sorry, tux

please do not revoke my linux access

[simple stump]

How can I embed HTML directly? Not a page, but rather just straight markdown? For example, if I were to have something like this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html>
  <head>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Hello</h1>
  </body>
</html>

And have a page like this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html>
  <head>
  </head>
  <body>
    <h1>Content</h1>
    <iframe src="something" />
  </body>
</html>

How could I embed the first HTML on the page? I don't have a file, link, etc. Just the HTML itself. Another issue I have is that I'm using React, but I'm just wondering if this is possible with straight markdown.

[split hazel]

wot

do you mean

embed html in a page

[quartz kindle]

i believe this is possible

<iframe srcdoc="<html><body>Hello, <b>world</b>.</body></html>"></iframe>

[split hazel]

srcdoc yeah

i use it for rendering the emails in my page so its sandboxed and doesnt get affected by my pages styles

do note if you want to run a script which resizes the iframe to the size of the content inside instead of being a tiny box you need to set sandbox="allow-same-origin"

if its from the same origin

for some reason the browser by default doesnt trust content from srcdoc/same origin

[boreal iron]

wouldn't trust your content, too

[simple stump]

yes

[simple stump]

ah okay. ty

[split hazel]

you never have anything nice to say now shut it

you coukld at least say

"wow that is a good implementation"

[boreal iron]

[split hazel]

or "great!"

[boreal iron]

you're "praise hungry" hmm

you better accept the sad world we're living in

[timber fractal]

Looking for (affordable) webhosting for an express website, cant really find any, suggestions? Preferably domain registration and emaim included

[lyric mountain]

replit

if it's going to be an on-demand site you don't really need to keep it 24/7

[wheat mesa]

Ah okay I've got a better understanding about rust lifetimes now ```rs
fn main() {
let test: Test;
{
let a_str: &str = "test";
test = Test { thing: a_str }
} // a_str data normally dropped here
println!("{:?}", test) // still valid because the reference inside test stays alive as long as test is alive
}

#[derive(Debug)]
struct Test<'a> {
thing: &'a str,
}

that makes a lot more sense

I think I'm starting to love rust

[lyric mountain]

basically you bind a variable to another variable

or the infamous case of "how to kill parent with child"

[wheat mesa]

it's just ensuring you don't have any unsafe memory accesses

telling the compiler to not free a_str since test is still using it

that's really neat actually

[split hazel]

i like rust but i feel like im being held back by it so i wont really be using it

[lyric mountain]

how do I calculate a square triangle's size when I resize the other to maintain hipothenuse angles the same?

like, lemme draw

I want to resize A, how do I find out how long B needs to be so C (angle) stays the same?

context: I have a HP bar where one of the sides is sloped

nvm I'll just set a clip area

[woeful pike]

find the ratio between the old and new A and multiply B by that

[lyric mountain]

ah ty, but I'll use a clip area since it's also simpler to interp the bar length

[split hazel]

go ask your maths teacher

[wheat mesa]

math is fun

very satisfying when you find an application for something math related in your code

[wheat mesa]

anyone know how to get rid of this underline garbage when using rust-analyzer

nvm got it

[dusk vault]

XYZ domains are $1 and you can get a Namecheap VPS for like $3

[wheat mesa]

for anyone else wondering, slap this in vsc settings.json```json

{
"editor.semanticTokenColorCustomizations": {
"enabled": true,
"rules": {
"*.mutable": {
"underline": false,
}
}
}
}

[dusk vault]

Replit, Glitch, etc are really limiting and I don't recommend them if you can afford $3/mo

[dusk vault]

It won't hold you back if you take the time to learn, it's just a different paradigm but all of the same things are possible

I'm still learning myself but ye

[wheat mesa]

Idk rust has been pretty based so far

I’m making a math parser (much like I did in C#) in rust, it’s been really easy so far

Very intuitive

[split hazel]

i do a lot of low level stuff and i dont think the language is designed for that very well

the focus on safety is good but i think its a little too much

it pre-emptively decides whether something is safe or not

of course you can get around all these things but its not as easy as you would with c/c++

and im also not a fan of some of the syntax and keyword designs

[dusk vault]

https://tryitands.ee

not trying to help

lmao

[spark flint]

theyre right tho

you only know its broken when it doesn't work

USE A DATABASE

ok then why do you need to know if it works

if its not broken

[wheat mesa]

DO NOT USE JSON AS A DATABASE PLEASE

[spark flint]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[wheat mesa]

that is my recommendation

[spark flint]

good ty

NO

FUCK OFF

[split hazel]

mongodb for something that small 💀

y'all are overexaggerating

[wheat mesa]

Yes and no

[dusk vault]

mongodb or mysql are good options

[spark flint]

const birthdays = await <collection>.find({ }).toArray()
for (const birthday of birthdays) {
  //loop and send for each birthday
}```

[dusk vault]

when you have arbitrary amounts of rows

[wheat mesa]

Json can be fine, but I have a feeling it’ll expand into something that it shouldn’t because he won’t want to port over to a db if he gets more traffic

[split hazel]

thats what i also thought and the only reasonable argument

unless its a private server

[spark flint]

its for his public bot tho

[spark flint]

throwback to my 2k line json file

[wheat mesa]

Then definitely go for a db

[dusk vault]

same tho

lmfao

[wheat mesa]

Yeah, I remember said json file

[spark flint]

lol i still have it

db then

[dusk vault]

i remember deleting my entire mongo collection on accident

[wheat mesa]

If it’s private now, then go ahead and use json if you don’t feel like implementing a db. But if you plan on making it public, use a db

That way you can have it as a one-and-done feature

[spark flint]

mongodb atlas

[dusk vault]

mongoose is actually easier to use than JSON

lmfao

[spark flint]

or Railway for mongo, its free

[wheat mesa]

Mongo has a free 512mb cloud cluster

[spark flint]

i'd recomend mongodb.com tho

[dusk vault]

omfg does nobody here use proper hosting

i swear to god

[wheat mesa]

There’s no need for something so small

[spark flint]

i use several servers lmao

[dusk vault]

it's disgusting how people use repl and shit

[wheat mesa]

I find mostly nothing wrong with it until people start complaining about it

[spark flint]

that gets all saved birthdays from the birthday collection, then loops through said birthdays and you can go from there

[wheat mesa]

Replit is a decent option if you don’t intend on ever paying for hosting

[sharp geyser]

Why not

sounds reasonable

[wheat mesa]

But if you expect amazing performance and perfect IDE features from it, then that’s where it becomes a problem

[wheat mesa]

Concurrent write = goodbye data

[dusk vault]

it's not scalable, it can corrupt, it takes a long time to save, etc

[sharp geyser]

Isn't that only a problem if you are constantly writing to it tho

[sharp geyser]

Why yes I know this I am just meming

[wheat mesa]

Json is fine as a format for saving data, just not CONSTANT data or anything

[dusk vault]

bro

[wheat mesa]

And as it grows in size it will take more and more memory to keep in your program, and will take longer and longer to read

[dusk vault]

yall have no money at all

lmfao

[sharp geyser]

Again I am just curious if it is viable to use it as a database

[wheat mesa]

Oracle has a free tier VPS

[wheat mesa]

It is not

[sharp geyser]

There has to be ways to get around the concurrent write issue

[dusk vault]

it's not the only issue

[wheat mesa]

Yes there is but that’s not the only issue with it

[spark flint]

Oracle is good

[dusk vault]

yes a VPS is good

[sharp geyser]

Well of course not but if you can solve one you can solve em all

[dusk vault]

then you can host any DB you want easily

[wheat mesa]

Don’t expect amazing performance, but it’s what I use

[sharp geyser]

Anyway I am done being a clown

what is going on in the dev channel

[wheat mesa]

The solution to it is called not using json as a database

[dusk vault]

dev

[wheat mesa]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

Just cause you said this ima use json

as my db

[split hazel]

use https://npmjs.com/package/quick.db

[dusk vault]

kek

[sharp geyser]

ew

[dusk vault]

^

[wheat mesa]

You have to have a debit card/credit card to register, but that’s just to make sure you don’t make a massive botnet with free tier accounts

[sharp geyser]

don't ever suggest that trash

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/🍐🦈🚅👺🌳.png nice oracle vps servers lmao

[split hazel]

:(

fine use https://npmjs.com/package/better-sqlite3

[sharp geyser]

slightly better

[dusk vault]

just use mongodb with mongoose

lmao

[sharp geyser]

ew mongo

[dusk vault]

or mysql with mysql2

[sharp geyser]

pg where it's at

[lyric mountain]

nono mysql no

[dusk vault]

ok java user

[lyric mountain]

if you value your data

[split hazel]

java user opinion rejected

[sharp geyser]

csv > *

[wheat mesa]

And oracle does not do any sort of payments directly through your credit card, they only use PayPal, so you’ll never be charged anything without upgrading your account (if you go over a bandwidth limit or something then you won’t be charged either, just limited until the next month)

[dusk vault]

im gaining aids reading this chat

[sharp geyser]

What you don't like csv?

[wheat mesa]

I found that oracle’s vps is nice for hosting my bot that is only used on a few servers

[dusk vault]

small discord.js bots aren't very resource intensive

[sharp geyser]

Doesn't oracle give you 24gb of ram to split up between multiple vps?

[wheat mesa]

Free tier has only about 1gb of ram

[wheat mesa]

What

[dusk vault]

lol 24gb

[split hazel]

discord.js makes it

[dusk vault]

that costs like $100

GL

[wheat mesa]

Where did you find that lol

[sharp geyser]

I was asking cause someone said so which sounded outrageous I just never confirmed it

[wheat mesa]

You get like $300 of free credits to spend in like the first 3 months but thats it

[sharp geyser]

so i decied to ask again

[split hazel]

if mfs are giving 24gb ram for free sign me up i have some things i want to put up there

[wheat mesa]

Same 💀

[sharp geyser]

lmao

Waffle what would you put out there

you haven't done anything big

[wheat mesa]

I did your mom

She’s big

[dusk vault]

that's low

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Jokes on u idk where my mom is

so

[dusk vault]

[wheat mesa]

It’s fine I can bully him

[sharp geyser]

All I am hearing is a pig oinking

[wheat mesa]

Go tell your mom to stop talking then

[sharp geyser]

Waffle I will admit I walked into that one

but still

😔

[spark flint]

you can split it into multiple servers too

4 servers all with 6gb ram

3 servers with 6gb ram, 6gb ram and 12gb ram

2 with 12gb ram

or of course, the big 24gb ram

[dusk vault]

ah yes

[split hazel]

bro sign me up

where

[spark flint]

https://oraclecloud.com/

[split hazel]

galaxygate is milking me dry rn

[spark flint]

https://signup.cloud.oracle.com/?language=en&intcmp=:ow:o:p:feb:0916FreePageBannerButton&sourceType=CloudFree_CTA1_Default%2B:ow:o:p:feb:0916FreePageBannerButton

[split hazel]

and i havent gotten my paycheck yet

[spark flint]

if its for bost hosting

bot hosting

select Ashburn (US-East)

its 24ms ping

[split hazel]

i'll probably use for a bit of remote coding with visual studio code bc my laptop cannot handle shit

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/😸🤫🌼😰🐑.png

[split hazel]

so united arab emirates

[spark flint]

what

no

US East (Ashburn) is an Oracle location name

[split hazel]

choose a country in the middle so you get good ping both in england and in the us

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[spark flint]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashburn,_Virginia

idk

look

[split hazel]

canada discord user opinion rejected

[dusk vault]

lol

[split hazel]

cant find united arab emirates on the list

im swimming in debt rn

[wheat mesa]

why... does it matter...

canada is going to be a worse option, discord's servers are in california iirc

they have multiple regions, I don't think any are in canada though

you probably wanna go with either US-east or US-west

one of the two

[dusk vault]

california deez nuts

[split hazel]

nice

[quartz kindle]

your transaction wasnt trans enough

therefore it was canceled by twitter mobs

[sharp geyser]

If you used a prepaid card like cashapp or such they decline those

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[wheat mesa]

no I do not believe so

[split hazel]

no im using an actual card

do they require credit cards?

[sharp geyser]

Do you have 1$

[split hazel]

it says credit card

yeah

[sharp geyser]

It should be credit or debit from what I read

[wheat mesa]

it charges you $1 verification fee and gives it back

[split hazel]

they dont even ask for the card name

[wheat mesa]

it can be either

[sharp geyser]

👀

[wheat mesa]

make sure your bank isn't declining the verification thing

[split hazel]

"We're seeing criminals target people like you" just saw that when logging into bank

who are people like me

[wheat mesa]

people buying oracle VPSs apparently

[split hazel]

yeah i defo have balance just confirmed

[dusk vault]

yk, your kind of people

/s

[split hazel]

i'll try contacting them

[wheat mesa]

your bank might be marking the purchase as fraudulent

[sharp geyser]

probably your bank declining it

[wheat mesa]

idk why they would for 1 dollar though

[sharp geyser]

even 1$ can be considered a scam ig

[split hazel]

mfs usually lock my account if something gets marked as a scam transaction

oh fuck

the billing info has the wrong name and address

[wheat mesa]

lol

[split hazel]

i've tried it like 2x

at this rate i have no hope of my bank account remaining open for very long

they lock your account as soon as you do something out of the ordinary

and you have to call them

[quartz kindle]

get another bank account

i have ike 6

[split hazel]

cant open a new one rn but i will as soon as i can

my identity docs are expired

[dusk vault]

yall

silent judging

[split hazel]

💀 i dont know if i still use this number

if its not im defo done for

good stuff enjoy my 80p oracle

ffs

[wheat mesa]

they give back the money, it's just to verify that you're not making a botnet

[split hazel]

nah oracles playing a joke

[wheat mesa]

why are you even bothering with oracle anyways

do u need a 1gb ram vps

[split hazel]

24GB RAM

[wheat mesa]

it's not lol

idk who told you that but it's definitely not

you get $300 worth of credits for free for your first 30 days

but after 30 days that's it

1gb ram

[split hazel]

this mf

and its apparently free forever

[wheat mesa]

not true

I use their free forever tier

I get 1gb of ram

[split hazel]

nevermind i aint giving my details to oracle to probably put me up on those public lookup websites

[spark flint]

what no

[spark flint]

you select the Ampere option

not AMD

[spark flint]

it is-

[split hazel]

oracle actually blacklisted me

💀

i wanna be on the whitelist pls

[spark flint]

lmao

[wheat mesa]

interesting

[split hazel]

oracle prob charging me twice

[split hazel]

24gb ram btw

[wheat mesa]

I looked many hours through oracle's website when I was looking for my VPS and couldn't find jack shit on that

[split hazel]

its not supposed to be easy

[wheat mesa]

I'll have to keep this in mind, but I have a feeling there's a downside to this

[split hazel]

NOOOO I ACCIDENTALLY CLOSED THE TAB

IT TAKES LIKE 20 MINUTES TO GET TO THE PAYMENT PAGE

[sharp geyser]

lmao

poor speedy

[split hazel]

i am going to HURT SOMEONE

same shit

except one is an architecture and ones a company

[sharp geyser]

It is just a matter of the architecture amd has a different instruction set than ARM does, it is just arm doesn't allow x86 from what I recall while AMD does

[spark flint]

https://cdn.myprojects.lol/⛄️🧐🦕🥬✏️.png

ignore the fact i'm at my limit anyways

[split hazel]

fuck you stop showing me something i dont have

[sharp geyser]

then go get it speedy

[sharp geyser]

What happens if you reach your limit

[spark flint]

you can't make more

i have 2 servers already

always free

no card info linked

[sharp geyser]

I see

So you essentially get 24gb free every month?

[spark flint]

yeah

[sharp geyser]

[split hazel]

I CANT

THEY FUCKING BLOCKED MY EMAILS

[sharp geyser]

THEN EMAIL THEM

[split hazel]

who tf made this goofy system

[wheat mesa]

jesus bro

[wheat mesa]

it's oracle, what were you expecting

[split hazel]

nah the jig is up

either my bank thinks somethings sussy or oracles goofy system blacklisted me

that probably means my card is blocked

fucking monopolies

cant even access my hard earnt money

[sharp geyser]

It is 1$

[split hazel]

fuckers let fraudsters through but dont let you through

its night and theres still people in the support chat

they better be paid night premium

mfs blacklisted me

[quartz kindle]

rip

[lyric mountain]

oracle tsundere

"I-i-it's not like I want you to pay us b-baka"

[split hazel]

mfs just take my 80p for lifetime access to free servers pls

sounds like a scam now that i think about it

[royal portal]

top.gg cloud

[ancient nova]

<MessageEmbed>.addField(
`Roles (Total of ${member.roles.cache.filter(r => r.id !== message.guild.id).map(roles => `\`${roles.name}\``).length || "0"} Roles)`,
`${slicedRoles || "No Roles"}`
)

MessageEmbed field values must be non-empty strings.

any idea why?

[sharp geyser]

They are empty

[ancient nova]

yeah why?

I've included the || "No Roles" and || "0"

just incase that happens

is that not the right use case for ||?

[dusk vault]

first of all length || 0 is redundant, if the length is 0, it'll be 0 already

what is slicedRoles?

it sounds like an array

which is not a string

you probably intend to join it and tostring the values?

[ancient nova]

I know the code is extremely bad for what I just showed you

    let slicedRoles = member.roles.cache.filter(r => r.id !== message.guild.id).map(roles => `<@&${roles.id }>`);
    if (slicedRoles.length > 16) {
        slicedRoles = slicedRoles.slice(0, 16);
        slicedRoles = slicedRoles + " and more..."
    }
``` just don't have the time to make it better

[ancient nova]

just wanted to make sure that was not an issue

[dusk vault]

it's not..

[sharp geyser]

It'd never be an issue

[ancient nova]

well I still wanted to make sure

[sharp geyser]

[dusk vault]

average JS user

[ancient nova]

so

what's the issue then?

[dusk vault]

wait are u seriously checking for the roles which don't match the guild id

lmfao

[ancient nova]

😭 I didn't even notice

[wheat mesa]

be glad you haven't seen any regex yet @dusk vault

[earnest phoenix]

I suppose they're trying to remove the @everyone role from the list of roles, which is assigned to all members, but that can be improved

[ancient nova]

the code for that is old, I've taken it out of my older bot and just updated what I needed to make it work with v13

[dusk vault]

I write regex all the time

how is that related

[wheat mesa]

That's not my point

You'll see

[earnest phoenix]

As the @everyone role has the guild ID

[dusk vault]

message.guild.id !== message.guild.roles.everyone.id

[wheat mesa]

ItsOkayBae has a little bit of a reputation for overusing regex in my opinion

[ancient nova]

😐

[wheat mesa]

Just saying!

[sharp geyser]

tis simply the amount of regex he uses for unnecessary needs

[dusk vault]

lol

[ancient nova]

it has it's uses

[earnest phoenix]

The @everyone role's ID is not different than guild's ID, the second operand there is just an abstraction

[sharp geyser]

Yes when you use it properly

[ancient nova]

and do I not?

[sharp geyser]

no

not at all

[dusk vault]

didn't know - that's kinda wack ngl

[ancient nova]

well either way

what's the issue?

[dusk vault]

idk, log ur params

debug it urself

[ancient nova]

😐

fine

[dusk vault]

this is a super simple thing to debug lmao

[sharp geyser]

this guy acts as if it is a big inconvenience to do his own work

[earnest phoenix]

You're passing the array as the first operand to the logical OR operator (||), which'll always return true for arrays, doesn't matter if empty or not

[ancient nova]

fixed it

[dusk vault]

they (implicitly, and poorly) converted it to a string already tho if i read it correctly

oh wait

[ancient nova]

do you want me to rewrite the entire thing

[dusk vault]

only in the if

[ancient nova]

cause I can if you want

and I'll send it here

for you guys to rate

🙂

[dusk vault]

it just screams script-kiddie to me

[sharp geyser]

[ancient nova]

the code is old

I've written it in 2019

[dusk vault]

u haven't learned how JS or DJS works or how to debug in 3 years?

impressive

[ancient nova]

no I stopped making bots in 2020 I just started making them recently

[earnest phoenix]

Well this is nothing compared to the people in the discord.js' support server's support channels...

They write the most cursed code I have ever seen in my entire life

[ancient nova]

it's not like javascript is the only language you use, not at all

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[sharp geyser]

Worse than luca?

[earnest phoenix]

Way worse

[sharp geyser]

👀

That is a challenge

[dusk vault]

public static void main() {
  bot.client('ready' {
function client.login(token).then {
      client.on('message', function(message) = console
}
})
}

discord.js users be like

[sharp geyser]

or at least it should be

[dusk vault]

"why no work help"

[earnest phoenix]

"Bu-bu-but I don't need to learn JavaScript,,,, just write the code for me, plssss"

[dusk vault]

lol

[sharp geyser]

Write my entire bot

[earnest phoenix]

I would rather rewrite you

[dusk vault]

uwu

[sharp geyser]

Please do

[dusk vault]

lol

[sharp geyser]

My knowledge in the art of programming is so poor I make shit code 24/7

rewrite me with knowledge

[earnest phoenix]

I mean, you're still decent anyway; but I'll do so gladly

[sharp geyser]

pfffffttt

I'd say I am no where near decent

[dusk vault]

i mean if you don't write code like this you're better than almost every member here