development

[split hazel]

discord js used to be a perfect lib (aside from the memory usage)

[sharp geyser]

👀

Maybe read the documentation of the lib you are using

[ancient nova]

DSharp

[sharp geyser]

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/stable/typedef/ApplicationCommandOptionData

[slender thistle]

Serenity 😎

[sharp geyser]

You don't need to be advanced to read docs

[sharp geyser]

Isn't that a rust lib?

[slender thistle]

That's the point

[split hazel]

writing discord bots in statically typed languages rubs me the wrong way

[slender thistle]

Fair

[split hazel]

discord is very dynamic

it would only make sense for the language to also be dynamic

[sharp geyser]

I was trying to write a bot in java but the idea behind it is a bit annoying

My head hurts trying to understand the stuff I need to use

[split hazel]

bro dont even try

you have to queue message sends and shit

dont get the point

[ancient nova]

good luck trying

there is no lib for java

[sharp geyser]

You are wrong

[ancient nova]

you're gonna have to use raw api

[sharp geyser]

very very wrong

[ancient nova]

wdym

[sharp geyser]

JDA

dummy

[royal portal]

uncooked api

[sharp geyser]

It is literally THE lib to use when making a java bot

[ancient nova]

👀

[ancient nova]

didn't know about it

[sharp geyser]

This is what happens when people who don't know shit try and talk on a topic they know nothing about

you're lucky I wasn't a noob

[slender thistle]

So, half of DBL? Got it

[sharp geyser]

If you don't know shit don't talk about it

[ancient nova]

relax I just didn't know it existed

[sharp geyser]

use express

[ancient nova]

how long was it out for

[sharp geyser]

Years

almost since the bot api was a thing

[slender thistle]

JDA has been around for a LONG while lol

[ancient nova]

well it must've been smaller and I didn't notice it before

[sharp geyser]

hell

[split hazel]

hardcore discord.js and c++ developers trying to comprehend someone having a different opinion than you: 😤🥵🥶😭😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[ancient nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp geyser]

I think they were even out when user accounts were being used as bots

[slender thistle]

Don't forget us Python devs

[sharp geyser]

No it was fairly popular

seems how it was the only discord lib in java at the time

[ancient nova]

not popular enough it seems

[sharp geyser]

as far as I know anyway

or you just don't know as much as you claim

mr regex man

[ancient nova]

-_-

[ancient nova]

ok that's going too far

😭

[sharp geyser]

🤷‍♀️

[sharp geyser]

It's okay we make a point not to forget you guys

who else would we make fun of

:)

[slender thistle]

I'm supposed to be filtering URLs in Python but I'm too lazy to write a proper regex or check for them

[earnest phoenix]

something like this?

    blacklist.includes(word => {
        if (message.content.toLowerCase().includes(word)) message.delete() && message.author.send("Keep the use of Profanity out of our server!")
    })``` like this?

[ancient nova]

lmfaoooo

[ancient nova]

NO

jesus christ

[earnest phoenix]

im new ok

[slender thistle]

Read more on how to use array.includes

[sharp geyser]

I mean still not half as bad as what you write

[ancient nova]

if (blacklist.includes(word)) { true } else {false }

[earnest phoenix]

I just want to export it from blacklist.js

[ancient nova]

I actually write decent code thank you very much

[sharp geyser]

👀

[slender thistle]

Could be simplified into return blacklist.includes(word)

[ancient nova]

just because I use regex doesn't mean I'm bad

[sharp geyser]

Yea sure

we can go with that ig

[fathom sonnet]

amm, stupid question: can I somehow make my bot to create and assign role to himself when he join some server?

[ancient nova]

-_-

[earnest phoenix]

so it takes the words from blacklist.json and deleted them with blacklist.js

[slender thistle]

Two contradicting statements in the span of few seconds

[ancient nova]

IT WAS AN EXAMPLE

[split hazel]

ima just start spoonfeeding code explaining it is harder

[sharp geyser]

return !!blacklist.includes(word)

[slender thistle]

An example that could use improvement

[ancient nova]

if I wrote what misty here has written the dude would prolly be confused

he just said that he is new

[slender thistle]

If it gets the Manage Roles permission through OAuth2 URL the user uses to invite the bot, sure

[rustic nova]

listen to the event of users joining servers, then assign a role

[sharp geyser]

Aurel what are you doing here

[rustic nova]

requires manage_roles

hi

dunno

[split hazel]

no shit sherlock

[rustic nova]

[sharp geyser]

u supposed to lurk

[rustic nova]

Trying to literally avoid the pain from recoding this shitty verification thing I did in python

[ancient nova]

[rustic nova]

Because I didnt plan ahead

[sharp geyser]

never let the bad guys know ur here how else will you catch em

[rustic nova]

[earnest phoenix]

I feel stupid for not understanding what im doing wrong

damn

[rustic nova]

You really think I am the only one lurking

[sharp geyser]

First issue is u used python

kthxbai

[sharp geyser]

No

[ancient nova]

just use what I've done it's the easiest to understand

[rustic nova]

Python makes me hurt less than Java

just me not planning shit

[ancient nova]

if you want u can use what @sharp geyser wrote but it's more "advanced"

[sharp geyser]

I feel that

[split hazel]

anything is better than java

even brazil

[sharp geyser]

Ima be real I have no idea what I wrote even works

[rustic nova]

Now I'm literally writing some sort of "Program Process Plan"

So I dont fuck up shit again

[sharp geyser]

Seems like it does tho

[ancient nova]

it does, true false is just gonna be inverted

[sharp geyser]

But I don't really know if there is a reason to do it this way

[earnest phoenix]

    (blacklist.includes(word)) { true } else {false }
        if (message.content.toLowerCase().includes(word)) message.delete() && message.author.send("Keep the use of Profanity out of our server!")
    })``` like this?

[ancient nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient nova]

why

[sharp geyser]

Learn basic js plez

I am shocked you didn't see an error trying that, unless you ignored it to ask here

[earnest phoenix]

I did the second one

[ancient nova]

you don't even know how if statements work

[slender thistle]

Ignores the "learn basic js" message utterly

[pine nova]

🗿

[sharp geyser]

they even checked it themselves

Skydust are you a mind reader?

[split hazel]

and just so you know the message author send code wont execute

[slender thistle]

Good luck getting hit in the face with the same broom more than once at this rate @earnest phoenix

[earnest phoenix]

thanks

[ancient nova]

can I spoonfeed?

[slender thistle]

I'm really not surprised

[split hazel]

go for it

[sharp geyser]

I wouldn't

that is just encouraging them the wrong way

[slender thistle]

You'll just make them believe they can depend on you to fix their shit constantly

If that's what you want, I'm not stopping you

[sharp geyser]

If you spoonfeed em they won't learn to try and solve it themselves

[ancient nova]

I mean

[slender thistle]

Not like they are trying right now...

Let them suffer consequences of their own actions

[sharp geyser]

Ah but the key is we are actually giving them advice

whether they listen or not is on them

[split hazel]

i'd say its fine to spoonfeed if you explain the code

[slender thistle]

Which they can't understand

[sharp geyser]

^

[split hazel]

trying to make them solve and make something they dont understand is hopeless

[sharp geyser]

It isn't they can't understand they don't try to

[slender thistle]

I have issues trusting Bae to write a clearly explained code snippet that can be understood by a beginner

[split hazel]

lmao

[ancient nova]

shhh just let me try

[slender thistle]

Sure thing. I'll be watching as well

[pine nova]

[sharp geyser]

const blacklist = require('pathToBlacklistFIle')
if(!blacklist.includes(word)) return false
return true

Ez

[slender thistle]

Misty I'm gonna murder you

[pine nova]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

What this does is use what you were already doing, but checks if it doesn't include the word, if it doesn't it returns false else returns true

[slender thistle]

They don't need returns here

[sharp geyser]

Do it I wanna feel something for once

[slender thistle]

You're just gonna confuse them even more

[sharp geyser]

THEN WHY THE FUCK WERE YOU GUYS TELLING THEM TO

[ancient nova]

// cache the json
const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");

// compare "word" string to the blacklist json
if (blacklist.includes(word)) {
// delete the message. make sure "message" is defined
await message.delete();

//notify the author
return message.author.send("Keep the use of Profanity out of our server!");
} else {
 return;
}

[earnest phoenix]

so only thing I need to do is add
if (foundInText) {
message.delete();

[ancient nova]

it's hard writing code without vsc

[slender thistle]

No idea who you're talking about here lmao I didn't give any advice apart from judging

[sharp geyser]

Well true

[lyric mountain]

if(!require('pathToBlacklistFIle').includes(word)) return require('pathToBlacklistFIle').includes(word)
return require('pathToBlacklistFIle').includes(word)

[earnest phoenix]

I know that ty for judging

[sharp geyser]

I was reading baes message

[slender thistle]

Oh

[sharp geyser]

I noticed he returned booleans

so I assumed that is what was going on

[slender thistle]

lmfao

[ancient nova]

😭

[sharp geyser]

Why the fuck

go back to writing your black magic java code haku

[lyric mountain]

[pine nova]

wouldnt it better to loop through the blacklist array and check in message content if it contains that word. like with what u doing rn it will only work if only a word is sent. what if the word is in a sentence

[sharp geyser]

btw haku

[split hazel]

i think y'all started coding yesterday

[earnest phoenix]

and how does the exports work?

[sharp geyser]

I tried making a cmd handler with reflections and failed miserably

[ancient nova]

u can convert to string and use .Contains to check for a specific line

[earnest phoenix]

module.exports?

[pine nova]

o

[ancient nova]

read up on module

[sharp geyser]

.contains is a thing in js?

[ancient nova]

it does what it says

[ancient nova]

yeah

[split hazel]

no includes needed

[ancient nova]

.Contains

case sensitive

[pine nova]

idk too first time hearing fr

[ancient nova]

really?

hold on

[pine nova]

ye

knew includes but not contains

whats the difference

💀

[split hazel]

my internet is so fucked it looks to me like chat is dead and im just talking to myself then a burst of 20 messages pop up

[ancient nova]

contains supposed to compare string

[slender thistle]

lol

[pine nova]

grey moment

[pine nova]

== ?

[ancient nova]

okay I was wrong contains doesn't exist in js weirdly enough

[pine nova]

lmao

[slender thistle]

Difference between includes() and contains()
The includes and contains both methods search for a substring within a string or find elements within an array. The includes() is a method present in JavaScript, whereas contains() is not present in JavaScript. It is used in other languages such as Java.

[pine nova]

yea not present

💀

[slender thistle]

How does anyone still assume you to be a credible source for information, I wonder

[earnest phoenix]

sorry for asking but how do I read that up

[ancient nova]

it's like indexOf, I think I got mixed up with c
"stringthis".Cotnains("this") // true

[sharp geyser]

Yea I was about to say

contains isn't a thing

[ancient nova]

but I could've sworn I ued it before

[pine nova]

i see

[slender thistle]

Probably in Java

[ancient nova]

maybe

[sharp geyser]

It is a thing in java yes

but not js

[lyric mountain]

they need to add a .has() method for 50% more confusion

[slender thistle]

😂

[ancient nova]

google "javascript module documentation"

[sharp geyser]

Haku explain reflection to me I don't understand how you did your blackmagic cmd handler

[ancient nova]

var string = "foo";
var substring = "oo";

console.log(string.indexOf(substring) !== -1); // true

[lyric mountain]

ok so, usually you have everything accessed during compile time right? with reflection it's the opposite

[ancient nova]

you can use indexOf for this tbh

just make it into a function

[lyric mountain]

you don't know what something is during compile-time, only during runtime

[sharp geyser]

Ye

[sharp geyser]

Sad you are using var

[lyric mountain]

reflection is awesome when you understand how it works

[ancient nova]

var is still useful

[slender thistle]

What is it used for?

[ancient nova]

even though it's buggy the bugs can be helpful

[still storm]

hmm is it possible to disable "more like this" using css?

[slender thistle]

Only when you know what you're doing

[lyric mountain]

for example, getting class methods (not calling, getting them)

[sharp geyser]

I understand the basic concept of how reflection works

But I have no idea how to practice using it

[lyric mountain]

or locating classes by @Annotation

[slender thistle]

Oh true

[sharp geyser]

you could also invoke them when you need to tho right?

[ancient nova]

I know this is a change of topic but do you guys like onions?

[lyric mountain]

in my command handler I just annotate command classes with @Command, the runtime finds them automatically

[pine nova]

select through class or id and set the display to none

[lyric mountain]

ye

[sharp geyser]

Unrelated to dev channel

go away

:C

[lyric mountain]

reflection is meta-programming basically

[ancient nova]

no >:c

[still storm]

Can you tell what id or class does it have? Im phone so i cant inspect

[lyric mountain]

you use the context itself instead of the content

[slender thistle]

How does one write a basic URL filter?

[sharp geyser]

regex

[split hazel]

const tf = require("@tensorflow/tfjs");
const profanityModel = tf.sequential();
profanityModel.add(tf.layers.dense({
  inputShape: [200],
  activation: 'relu',
  units: 320
}));
profanityModel.add(tf.layers.dense({
  inputShape: [320],
  activation: 'sigmoid',
  units: 60
}));
profanityModel.add(tf.layers.dense({
  inputShape: [60],
  activation: "softmax",
  units: 2
}));
profanityModel.compile({{ optimizer: tf.train.adam(0.01), loss: 'meanSquaredError' });

const trainingData = tf.tensor2d([ ... ]);

model.fit(trainingData[0], trainingData[1], {
  epoch: 5000,
  shuffle: true
});

[slender thistle]

Preferably without using regex

[ancient nova]

I can't believe you said that

[sharp geyser]

talk to bae he knows all about that

[lyric mountain]

don't lookup the whole url regex

[pine nova]

same i am on phone too but i wouldn't prefer doing that tho its against the rules ig

[lyric mountain]

use a lib for sanity

[sharp geyser]

he uses it in 90% of his code

[ancient nova]

for a good reason 😉

[still storm]

where are rules for this

[sharp geyser]

there is no good reason to use regex for nearly everything that can be done simpler

[slender thistle]

My main issue is that I'm trying to detect a URL in a message that could contain anything. I'm not sure if running a regex for each message is a good idea...

[pine nova]

idk i saw somewhere but forgot where

[still storm]

This feature is bad idea tbh

[ancient nova]

1 line of regex code >>>>>> 50 lines of normal code

[still storm]

It only show big bots there

[lyric mountain]

#([a-z]([a-z]|\d|\+|-|\.)*):(\/\/(((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:)*@)?((\[(|(v[\da-f]{1,}\.(([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~)|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:)+))\])|((\d|[1-9]\d|1\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.(\d|[1-9]\d|1\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.(\d|[1-9]\d|1\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5])\.(\d|[1-9]\d|1\d\d|2[0-4]\d|25[0-5]))|(([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=])*)(:\d*)?)(\/(([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)*)*|(\/((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)+(\/(([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)*)*)?)|((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)+(\/(([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)*)*)|((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)){0})(\?((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)|[\xE000-\xF8FF]|\/|\?)*)?(\#((([a-z]|\d|-|\.|_|~|[\x00A0-\xD7FF\xF900-\xFDCF\xFDF0-\xFFEF])|(%[\da-f]{2})|[!\$&'\(\)\*\+,;=]|:|@)|\/|\?)*)?#iS

[slender thistle]

1 line of regex code is worse than 100 lines of normal code

[ancient nova]

ah yes, regex

[split hazel]

'use machine learning

[slender thistle]

... is that the full URL regex?

[pine nova]

imagine knowing how to write a regex

[sharp geyser]

isn't using regex a performance hitter

[pine nova]

[ancient nova]

you're exaggarating

[slender thistle]

Always

[lyric mountain]

the only thing more cursed than url regex is email regex

[ancient nova]

discord mobile uses regex for code highlight

[sharp geyser]

performance go brrr

[slender thistle]

You clearly don't know how regex operates behind the scenes

[sharp geyser]

Why do you think discord is shit

[pine nova]

lmao

[ancient nova]

well...

[slender thistle]

And it shows

[split hazel]

he has a point

[sharp geyser]

Literally uses 200mb idle

[ancient nova]

😭

[ancient nova]

I was joking

[slender thistle]

I guess it just wasn't funny then

[sharp geyser]

Why do you think so many people go out to find lightweight modded clients for discord

[slender thistle]

Anyhoo, back to my question

[lyric mountain]

oh regex is easy, but it automatically encrypts itself so only who wrote it can understand

[sharp geyser]

discord claims to be for gaming but uses up a fuck ton of ram

[ancient nova]

to be fair somehow I made my game use a GB idle

[pine nova]

never cared to learn it fr just copy through net

[ancient nova]

but I know why now

it was the cache from global illum

[sharp geyser]

you used regex everywhere?

[slender thistle]

You reckon a "http" in msg.text.lower() will be a good enough check to actually get to the regex? 😂

[lyric mountain]

regex is damn useful, I recommend learning

[ancient nova]

nah surprisingly not

[ancient nova]

^

[sharp geyser]

useful when used correctly

[lyric mountain]

ye

[split hazel]

regex be like £%Q£%&£(Q%&Q£%$/426'246';2'462867236£%&£(%£(%

[pine nova]

i dont use it very much tho if i need for something i just find it on the net

[sharp geyser]

Hello, World

[lyric mountain]

also, iirc regex is a HUGE green flag in ur curriculum

at least for data analyst

[ancient nova]

comparing strings is also easy with it

[sharp geyser]

I never bothered to learn regex I hardly find the need to use it

[ancient nova]

helped me solve many issues

[sharp geyser]

👀

comparing strings with regex

ah yes

[ancient nova]

well yes.. it's a good way to use regex

[lyric mountain]

my new command handler uses it for parsing command syntax

[split hazel]

bros gonna achieve at most 10fps with that

[ancient nova]

in some cases

[lyric mountain]

it works better than discord slashes, except for the UI part

it also allows a command to have many forms

[ancient nova]

😐

[sharp geyser]

I tried reading ur code but I am too small brain in the java language rn to even attempt to understand it

[lyric mountain]

not the master branch, the rewrite branch

I'm rewriting my entire codebase

[ancient nova]

try reading a compiled version of java

smali

[sharp geyser]

Oh god

I don't wanna read your rewrite

[lyric mountain]

it's cleaner

[sharp geyser]

My head will explode

[pine nova]

imagine java

[lyric mountain]

I swear

[split hazel]

it is surprisingly intelligible

more than the actual language

[ancient nova]

once you learn it, that is

it looks like machine code to a person who doesn't know smali

[earnest phoenix]

@sharp geyser

module.exports = async (prefix, client, message) => {
    const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");

    let foundInText = false;
    for (let i in words) {
        if (message.content.toLowerCase().includes(blacklist[i])) foundInText = true
    }

    if (foundInText) {
        message.reply("Please don't use that word here")
        await message.delete()
    }
}

does this look better :/

[ancient nova]

better, but why do you insist on making it less performant

[split hazel]

i mean the resemblance with labels is there

[sharp geyser]

just use the blacklist.includes()

unless it is not an array

[ancient nova]

^

[lyric mountain]

compiled java is surprisingly more readable than asm

[ancient nova]

I think it is

[sharp geyser]

So no one bothered asking

great

[sharp geyser]

Is blacklist an array?

If so just use blacklist.includes

[ancient nova]

well that's obvious

[split hazel]

optimization suggestion! break the loop after you find the word

[earnest phoenix]

what do u mean

[sharp geyser]

At least your main class looks cleaner

[sharp geyser]

const blacklist = require() this part, is blacklist actually an array

[ancient nova]

how is it structured

is it an array

[sharp geyser]

If it is an array then you have no need to loop

[earnest phoenix]

where do I put this then

[sharp geyser]

👀

[ancient nova]

in an if statement

like I showed u in the very beginning

[earnest phoenix]

if (blacklist.includes(word)) {

await message.delete();

like this?

[ancient nova]

yes

[split hazel]

getting there slowly but surely

[earnest phoenix]

module.exports = async (prefix, client, message) => {
    const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");

    let foundInText = false;
    for (let i in words) {
        if (blacklist.includes(word)) {

            await message.delete();
    }

    if (foundInText) {
        message.reply("Please don't use that word here")
        await message.delete()
    }
  }
}

like this?

[ancient nova]

no need to loop

[earnest phoenix]

oh

[ancient nova]

no need for the global bool either

just the if statement is needed

blacklist.includes returns a bool already for u

[sharp geyser]

If it does include it you delete and send your message, if not do nothing

[split hazel]

we wont talk about that require inside the function

[ancient nova]

^

[earnest phoenix]

I want it to delete and send message

[sharp geyser]

one step at a time speedy

[sharp geyser]

Then do so in your if statement

[lyric mountain]

bad idea

[earnest phoenix]

hmm

why?

[lyric mountain]

it can easily be used to ratelimit ur bot

[earnest phoenix]

so instead of this:

[ancient nova]

add some kinda timeout

[earnest phoenix]

module.exports = async (prefix, client, message) => {
    const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");

    let foundInText = false;
    for (let i in words) {
        if (blacklist.includes(word)) {
            await message.delete();
            message.reply("Please don't use that word here")
    }
}
}

I need to delete message.reply

[ancient nova]

NO NEED FOR LOOPS

[sharp geyser]

If your bad word filter has a timeout doesn't that defeat the point tho

[lyric mountain]

make it like, delete up to 3 messages withing X time, then timeout the user for Y time

[split hazel]

you're telling me one step at a time for the require inside the function but y'all want them to add a timeout 💀

[sharp geyser]

During that time out people can spam blacklisted words

[ancient nova]

oh yea..

[sharp geyser]

Don't lump me in with that dood

:c

[ancient nova]

maybe ban the person if they spam lol

c:

[split hazel]

lmao ban

[earnest phoenix]

module.exports = async (prefix, client, message) => {
    const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");
        if (blacklist.includes(word)) {
            message.reply("Please don't use that word here")
            await message.delete();
    }
}
``` like this?

[ancient nova]

yes lol

👏

[sharp geyser]

One of the reasons blacklisted word filters are never done

[earnest phoenix]

aaaaaa i got it now

[lyric mountain]

calm down satan

[sharp geyser]

there is countless ways to get around them, and it will be hard to try and create a check and balance for all of em

[ancient nova]

doesn't dyno have that

[split hazel]

yeah but it sucks

[sharp geyser]

Yes, but they literally just check the word and delete

Cause that is really all you can do

[earnest phoenix]

so if someone spams maybe a timeout or mute?

or instant ban

after 3 times

[ancient nova]

I was joking

[sharp geyser]

Up to how you wanna handle it

[ancient nova]

with the ban

[split hazel]

machine learning is the only hope for filters

[earnest phoenix]

I dont have experience with it

[ancient nova]

just mute for

say 30 minutes

[split hazel]

ban them for it

[sharp geyser]

Speedy lets make a bot that relies only on machine learning /s

[split hazel]

permanently

[sharp geyser]

a self reliant bot

[earnest phoenix]

so speedy telling me to let them get punished hard

kinda like that

[ancient nova]

this can be taken out of context

lol

[split hazel]

two messages sent at once? ban

[ancient nova]

sends a message? ban

[sharp geyser]

not the same user? who cares ban them both

seems suspicious

[split hazel]

remove the /s

i'd enjoy to colab on a machine learning project with someone

[sharp geyser]

I was joking cause I don't know machine learning

tho I do wanna try and learn it

[split hazel]

i dont know it much either 💀

[sharp geyser]

Do you care if I have 0 clue about machine learning

[split hazel]

i only know the barebone basics

[ancient nova]

a machine learning can be simple sometimes believe it or not

[earnest phoenix]

module.exports = async (prefix, client, message) => {
    const blacklist = require("./blacklist.json");
        if (blacklist.includes(word)) {
            message.reply("Please don't use that word here")
            await message.delete()
            then(() => message.member.kick('User kicked for sending spam links.'))
    }
}

[sharp geyser]

I don't even know the basics

[still storm]

I use perspective API

[ancient nova]

based on what you're trying to do ofc

[ancient nova]

what

[earnest phoenix]

if im gonna ban or kick I can remove message.reply

right?

there is no need for that

[split hazel]

no tutorial will properly explain how popular ml algorithms work under the hood because if they did i'd already be a master at it

[earnest phoenix]

if the kick messages includes it

[ancient nova]

what's the then() doing?

try running that code and see what happens

[sharp geyser]

then() isn't even proper syntax

are you using notepad++ to code how are you not seeing errors

[ancient nova]

I suggest downloading vsc

and grabbing some intelisense extension in the process

[earnest phoenix]

let me try to run it

[sharp geyser]

you will see issues

[ancient nova]

I regret making the error handler

[earnest phoenix]

damn

I cant even run it

[ancient nova]

because .then only works with promises

and you're using .then on literally nothing as if it was a method

[sharp geyser]

not even using a .

also delete does return a promise

but using await and .then is useless imo

[oblique palm]

If you want to set an welcome message for new members example:

how do we mention the user and guild?

automatically

[quartz kindle]

to mention the user you can write <@USERID>

there is no guild mention

[oblique palm]

thanks buddy

[woeful pike]

I'm going in the rabbit hole wish me luck

[lyric mountain]

smooth

the concept of raytracing is pretty simple

for every light source you shoot N rays at all directions, the pixels hit by it get their lightness calculated

or reflection in the case of glossy surfaces

[simple stump]

I'm using useState for React in order to create a search function. However, whenever I use setResult, result get's overridden and not updated. Either that, or it says that result is null (because I set it to that of course, but I'm not sure how to approach useState).

const [result, setResult] = useState(null);
let types = ["array_of_links_here"];

for (let type of types) {
  const requestOptions = {
    ...
  };
  // Fetching works fine.
  fetch(config.api_server + "/search", requestOptions).then(async res => {
    let json = await res.json();
    console.log(result); // Always null. Never a JSON object.
    setResult(json); // Overrides result.
  }).catch(err => {
    console.error(err);
  });
}

// Display the results if there are any. Works fine, but since result is overriden, the results that are displayed are innacurate sometimes.
{result ? result.map(item => <Feature key={item.id} title={item.title} link={item.id} path={item.path} views={item.views} likes={item.likes} cover={item.cover} />) : ""}

[ancient nova]

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to do, but why not await the fetch or double then?

fetch(...).then(res => res.json()).then(data => {
const json = JSON.stringify(data);
console.log(json); //output as json
});

at least that's how I would do it

[simple stump]

I'm trying to use useState to store the results of a search, then display it.

The problem isn't the output more-of just having issues with useState. But thank you fetch(...).then(res => res.json()).then(data) is a lot more efficient actually then what I have right now.

[ancient nova]

that's great then. I'm not quite sure what useState is, so can't really help you with that

[simple stump]

Ah nw. I'm learning React atm so I'm quite confused myself haha

[ancient nova]

hope you resolve it! gl with learning

[pale vessel]

you're using setResult() inside a loop, that'll overwrite any previous type

is that what you want?

you should use arrays instead

useState([])

setResult(previousValue => [...previousValue, json])

[wheat mesa]

Oh no no no no no

Why are you require()ing the json every time the function is ran 😭

[pale vessel]

does it really matter when it's cached

[delicate zephyr]

^^

node naturally caches it

[wheat mesa]

No but the problem is still the same

[pale vessel]

lmfao hi luke

[delicate zephyr]

hi

[wheat mesa]

No need to require it every time the function is ran

[delicate zephyr]

I mean

[wheat mesa]

Just makes it more confusing

[delicate zephyr]

it literally doesnt matter and not really

[simple stump]

That's the issue I'm having atm. Just switched to an array, but unfortunately now the array just stays empty.

const [result, setResult] = useState([]);
let types = ["array_of_links_here"];

for (let type of types) {
  const requestOptions = {
    ...
  };
  // Fetching works fine.
  fetch(config.api_server + "/search", requestOptions).then(async res => {
    let json = await res.json();
    console.log(result); // Array is always empty.
    setResult(result => [...result, json]);
  }).catch(err => {
    console.error(err);
  });
}

{result ? result.map(item => <Feature key={item.id} title={item.title} link={item.id} path={item.path} views={item.views} likes={item.likes} cover={item.cover} />) : ""}

json returns an array of JSON objects:
[{ id: "something", cover: "something", title: "something" }]

[pale vessel]

what happens when you log json? does it log the proper object?

[simple stump]

It does

[pale vessel]

i see

i honestly never used fetch without useEffect(), maybe try wrapping that whole code inside a useEffect()

[simple stump]

Ah okay. I'll try that.

I think it might be more of an issue with joining the two arrays together, so I'll first see if setResult(json) does anything

[pale vessel]

All right

it's also not asynchronous

it continues the loop without waiting for the previous type to be done fetching/setting

[simple stump]

setResult(json) doesn't seem to work either. And also I forgot that I updated my code:

fetch(config.api_server + "/search", requestOptions).then(res => res.json()).then(json => {
  ...
});

[simple stump]

ah yea. that's fine i just want the results to be shown. doesnt matter what order

[pale vessel]

yeah you definitely need a useEffect()

it will rerun ALL the loops when it gets rerendered

it's a mess

[pale vessel]

and make sure it runs once too

and you also have to wait for all the requests to be done first

[sharp geyser]

doesn't useEffect just make it easier to make outside calls from the current react app?

I can't remember entirely what useEffect does

[pale vessel]

seems to be working

[pale vessel]

it's a hook for componentdidmount i suppose

it could be used for that

but it also can be ran if one of the dependencies provided gets updated

in this case it runs once since i provided an empty array

[sharp geyser]

I see

[simple stump]

Thank you! The issue though is that I only want to send a request when the user clicks the button. I believe useEffect is called on render.

wait nvm

oops

actually wait yea i thought i was missing smth. useEffect is only called on render. i cant call it on click

[wheat mesa]

what's you guys' favorite vscode themes

looking for suggestions

[pale vessel]

been rocking with dracula soft for a while

[solemn latch]

I use default dark ^_^

[wheat mesa]

cron job scheduler

and then just use date math to calculate the days left

[spark flint]

Or do what I did

Get the dare

Date

Compare to one in a text file

If different, send the message and update the date

And check every 0.5 seconds

[wheat mesa]

that works too

[spark flint]

Very badly

[wheat mesa]

if you want a consistent time each day though then use cron jobs

[spark flint]

This was really bad at coding era

[pale vessel]

then make it a function and use onClick attribute on a button

[wheat mesa]

you can use a cron job in a discord bot...

https://www.npmjs.com/package/node-cron

[sharp geyser]

@lyric mountain got my cmd handler working thanks to ur code

[lyric mountain]

Nice, reflections?

[wheat mesa]

questionably so

[sharp geyser]

I am using reflections to the best of my ability

[wheat mesa]

(to the best of your ability ;))

[lyric mountain]

That's good, you'll eventually get the hang of it really well

[sharp geyser]

I honestly didn't expect it to work at first

[wheat mesa]

me when his command handler looks the exact same as yours moment

[sharp geyser]

I mean 👀

The best is the model of the worst

[lyric mountain]

Another good usage of reflection is getting variable data without referencing the variable

[wheat mesa]

a good usage of reflection is completely breaking all java semantics and repurposing the language for something completely unsafe 😉

[sharp geyser]

Sounds like what you do on a daily basis

unsafe things

Idiot is typing...

[wheat mesa]

🤓 I'll have you know I'm using rust recently

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[sharp geyser]

🐷 "I'll have you know I'm using rust recently"

https://tenor.com/twoz.gif

[lyric mountain]

Like, let's say u have

public enum Stuff {
	A, B, C, D, E
}

var aColor = new Color(255, 0, 0);
var bColor = new Color(0, 0, 0);
var cColor = new Color(255, 255, 0);
var dColor = new Color(0, 0, 255);
var eColor = new Color(255, 255, 255);

[sharp geyser]

What are enums?

[lyric mountain]

you could get the proper color using the variable name as in <enum>.name().toLowerCase() + "Color"

[sharp geyser]

@wheat mesa the piggy told me they are different from ts enums

[lyric mountain]

Pr something like that

[lyric mountain]

In ts enums represent values, in java enums ARE the values

They're basically final variables that can represent stuff like states, bitfields, keys, etc

[sharp geyser]

wtf is this
https://github.com/OtagamerZ/ShiroJBot/blob/rewrite/src/main/java/com/kuuhaku/model/enums/Category.java

[wheat mesa]

"Look at his category enum"
Misty: "ok... wh-What the fuck?!"

[lyric mountain]

Enums are also O(1) access

[lyric mountain]

Legacy code

But well, those are command categories

With some additional info

Enums can have variables too, like classes

[wheat mesa]

never knew java had a Function<> generic class in the standard lib

Is that relatively new?

[lyric mountain]

Nope

[wheat mesa]

Thought I tried to look for something like that sometime and couldn't find it

[lyric mountain]

It's from the same batch as Consumer and Callable

Consumer gets a value, Callable returns a value, Function is the fusion of both

[wheat mesa]

Ah it's java 8 then

explains it, I think we use an older version in my cs class somehow

no stream api :C

[sharp geyser]

Imagine taking a CS class that actually teaches you something

[lyric mountain]

It literally represents a function, as in void aName(int n) = Function<Integer, Void> aName

[sharp geyser]

All mine did was teach me how to be more of an idiot

my CS teacher didn't even know what an algorithm is

[wheat mesa]

Yeah ik

Used that same concept in a scuffed math parser I made in C# before I made a proper parser

[lyric mountain]

Ah

[wheat mesa]

let's just say it was... not a very good codebase

hence why I have since private-d it

Didn't work after I tried adding boolean expression support into it

[lyric mountain]

Triple booli check is valid in c#?

[wheat mesa]

wdym

[lyric mountain]

a = b > c < d

[wheat mesa]

that's lambda

[lyric mountain]

A

[wheat mesa]

c# uses lambda syntax similar to js

[simple stump]

Thank you! That worked for me.

[wheat mesa]

ok my brain is dying trying to understand rust lifetimes

this syntax looks like shit and I don't understand it at all rs pub enum Something<'a> { Something(&'a str), Nothing } like what does 'a even do

[lyric mountain]

Somethingn<'t>

[sharp geyser]

I have a question about something dealing with command arguments.

[lyric mountain]

Sure

[sharp geyser]

My idea was to use generics to give types to what my arguments could be. e.g

package dev.misty.interfaces;

import net.dv8tion.jda.api.entities.Message;

public interface Executable<T> {
    void execute(Message msg, T args) throws InterruptedException;
}

package dev.misty.commands;

import dev.misty.interfaces.Executable;
import net.dv8tion.jda.api.entities.Member;
import net.dv8tion.jda.api.entities.Message;

public class TestingCommand implements Executable<TestingArgs> {
    @Override
    public void execute(Message msg, TestingArgs args) {
        msg.getChannel().sendMessage("Hello " + args.target.getUser().getAsTag()).queue();
    }
}

class TestingArgs {
    Member target;
}

But when passing the stuff to the execute method in the message received event I have no idea how i should parse the args to be what they should be

        try {
            Main.cmdManager.getCommand(cmdName).command().execute(event.getMessage(), content.substring(prefix.length() + cmdName.length()).trim().split(" "));
        } catch (InterruptedException e) {
            System.err.println(e.getMessage());
        }

Right now this is how it looks.

I know if I want to use Member as a type for the argument i'd need to properly parse what the args given to into a Member but that is just an example

really i'd want to support any type for arguments

I'd likely need to make a parser of some sort

[lyric mountain]

Look at my rewrite branch command handler

It's hard to explain without some example backing it

[sharp geyser]

Are you talking about the SignatureParser?

[lyric mountain]

Basically you want to use regex to validate and parse the input into the proper type

[lyric mountain]

Ye

[sharp geyser]

Yea I tried looking at it but got very confused

aha

[lyric mountain]

It indeed is lmao

But well, you can either use space-delimited positional args and throw an error if the type doesn't match

Or use regex which can validate without attempting a cast

[sharp geyser]

I think I wanna use regex

I notice you make a Signature annotation

[lyric mountain]

The first thing you need to do is isolate the prefix

After that, the very first word before space will be your command name

Anything after that should be treated as arguments

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[lyric mountain]

My parser basically works based on a pattern matcher declared in the Signature annotation

[sharp geyser]

I see

[lyric mountain]

Based on that pattern, it can extract named parameters, and allow optional arguments too

Which is noted by :R on it

name:type:r

[sharp geyser]

I see

[lyric mountain]

This is just how I do it, you have a myriad of ways to parse your input

I like the pattern structure because it feels easier to read and work with

(also I spent 3 hours writing a custom linter for it)

[sharp geyser]

This all does seem a bit more complex for me to handle rn

[lyric mountain]

Start for the bottom, simple space-delimited params

[sharp geyser]

Waffle was right about this being a complex situation aha

[lyric mountain]

Thrn work your way to the top

[sharp geyser]

Space delimited?

[lyric mountain]

!!command param param param

[sharp geyser]

Ah yea

Btw, if you were to use a command in ur bot that took in input how would it look?

Say the kick command

[lyric mountain]

The pattern?

[sharp geyser]

like how would the use of the command look

[lyric mountain]

Idk, like s!kick @user

[sharp geyser]

I see

I was wondering cause I am not entirely sure how you actually use the @Signature annotation when parsing

[lyric mountain]

Like, let's say I have a mute command

s!mute @user time
Patterm would be
<user:user:r> <time:text:r>

[sharp geyser]

user:user:r

[lyric mountain]

The parser would look at the command's signature and see if the input matches

[sharp geyser]

first I assume is the name of the argument, second is the type, and r is required?

[lyric mountain]

Ye

That in the case of my parser

Yours can be any structure u want

But as I said, no need to write a whole parser yet

Start simple

String input = ...;
String prefix = <get from db>;

if (!input.startsWith(prefix) return;

String[] args = input.replaceFirst(prefix, "").split(" ");
String cmdName = args[0];
args = Arrays.copyOf(args, 1);

Something like this

Obv u need to case-proof it, but that's just an example

(note: it might be worthy to use \\s+ in split in case of multiple spaces)

[sharp geyser]

I am already sorta doing that

a space delimited argument

[lyric mountain]

An easy way to do a type-checking (only for primitives) would be an array of classes

Like [String.class, Integer.class, Integer.class] for 1 word param and 2 int params

Just compare the arg index with the type array entry

There are really a ton of ways to check types

[sharp geyser]

Yea I might make an actual parser though as I want to support any types, primitives, JDA's or my own

[lyric mountain]

Jda gives u the regexes for all mentionables btw

I don't remember in which class tho, but they're constants

[sharp geyser]

Oh nice

[pine nova]

[sharp geyser]

I kind of like your method of parsing arguments

[lyric mountain]

Lul ty

[sharp geyser]

but ima try and come up with my own way to challenge myself

[lyric mountain]

If u want I can give u a commented version of SignatureParser

So u can understand what each line is doing

[sharp geyser]

If you are free to do so

It would be rather helpful

[lyric mountain]

Sure, I'll resume the rewrite tomorrow anyway, so I can do it befote I start

[sharp geyser]

kk

ty

[compact pier]

is there anyway to trim the length of a string?

because I want to post my console error to discord webhook

but max char is 2048

[cinder patio]

.slice(0, 2048)

[pine nova]

💀

[compact pier]

server perfomance

but it is good?

like the perfomance?

[cinder patio]

yeah I don't know why u guys are laughing lmao

[compact pier]

because I think it would be unefficient

[pine nova]

loop through first 2048 charas of string and concat them

[cinder patio]

It's definitely more efficient than whatever you'd write

because it's an in-built method

[compact pier]

okk

[spark flint]

no

@ivory siren

[ivory siren]

-needdev @round crow

[gilded plank]

@round crow

You seem to be asking for something you don't have experience for or something that hasn't been done yet, but really need for your bot/server.
You can hire developers from Fiverr or Freelancer to code the things you need for your bot/server.

[ivory siren]

Ty!

[sacred aurora]

does ephemeral response only work with slash command?

[spark flint]

with any interaction

works with button clicking, select menus etc

[round crow]

isn't this a place for active devs? I see most messages here are of people trying to dev their own bot,

[spark flint]

That would class as advertising

Because you were trying to recruit users for your platform

[ivory siren]

Yep, this isn't right place to advertise

If you have any problems related to development you can ask here

[round crow]

got it 🙂

any ideas where could I reach out for fellow discord developers? looking to work closely with some builders giving them the platform for free in turn of quality feedback

[spark flint]

post on reddit or something

or a forum

just not in discord servers, as it would count as advertising

[round crow]

thanks!

[spark flint]

also my dms isnt a good place to advertise

[boreal iron]

[pine nova]

💀

[sacred aurora]

is it possible to await a component from an interaction reply?

const msg = await interaction.reply({content: "..", components: [...], ephemeral: true});
msg.awaitMessageComponent(...)

it says msg is undefied if i do that

maybe i should fetch the reply first

[pale vessel]

yeah set fetchReply to true

[vale garden]

    await interaction.showModal(modal);

    const collector = interaction.channel.createMessageComponentCollector({
      componentType: 'TEXT_INPUT',
      time: 15000
    });

    collector.on('collect', i => {
      if (!i.isModalSubmit())
        return;
      // .... more code ....
    }

i have this code, but the collector isnt listening to the values typed in the modal and im not able to submit the modal itself, any help?

(using a seperate interaction listener did work but i want to know if its possible to listen to the submit within the same code where it is sent)

[boreal iron]

Not sure if a modal is treated like a normal component

Await the reply sending the modal then use the following method

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/stable/class/CommandInteraction?scrollTo=awaitModalSubmit

[vale garden]

oh thanks

[vale garden]

await interaction.showModal(modal);

    const filter = i => i.customId === 'embedModal';
    interaction.awaitModalSubmit({ filter, time: 15_000 })
      .then(async i => {
        const name = i.fields.getTextInputValue('nameInput');
        const title = i.fields.getTextInputValue('titleInput');
        const description = i.fields.getTextInputValue('descriptionInput');
        const color = i.fields.getTextInputValue('colorInput');
        const image = i.fields.getTextInputValue('imageInput');
    
        console.log({ name, title, description, color, image });

        await i.reply("Modal submitted!")
      })
      .catch(console.error);
``` this is my code now

but awaitModalSubmit doesnt register the submit and ends automatically after 15s

[white steppe]

have you given it the slash commands intent in the oauth developer portal?

not just 'bot'

you will need to regenerate/re-add from URL too

[boreal iron]

does the custom ID match the custom ID you set in the modal you sent?

[split hazel]

bro really made a bot that reminds him when his birthday is

whens your birthday

so i can confirm the cron

ah daily

but yeah that cron looks good

you can set it to a minute to test it

[spark flint]

do you not use code blocks for evals??

why lmao

this is much nicer```

like i do

b!eval js //code here

[lyric mountain]

also u get highlighting

[vivid fulcrum]

which djs version are you using

🤔

can you post your code showing what member is?

[split hazel]

💀

[slender thistle]

Isn't mentioned already a Member?

[solemn latch]

Why not getMember directly?

I've not used interactions much so I might be wrong, but don't you need to edit the interaction command itself aswell?

ah, yeah https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/typedef/ApplicationCommandOptionType
no members just users.

I'm not sure why getMember wouldn't work for you.
whats logged in that console.log(mentioned)?

[boreal iron]

I doubt timing out a member already existed when djs 13.1.0 was a thing

You should check the docs selecting that specific version and make sure

[solemn latch]

oh, good point

13.1.0 isnt even listed on the docs anymore 👀

[boreal iron]

Well

Can’t even find it for 13.2

The features isn’t that old tbh

[solemn latch]

yep.
https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/13.2.0/class/GuildMember

[boreal iron]

Well to the latest tbh

There are quite a lot bug fixes and changes

I doubt there are breaking changes between 13.1 and 13.7

[solemn latch]

lowest version with timeouts 13.4.0, but yeah latest makes the most sense.

[boreal iron]

Like I said I don’t think there are many changes between those versions

huh 13.8

Did I miss something

Hmm

Published 19 hours ago

Huh not even a changelog yet

[spark flint]

https://github.com/discordjs/discord.js/releases/tag/13.8.0

[boreal iron]

Should have been called 13.7.1

But okay

[lyric mountain]

@sharp geyser here

here's the ban command in case u need an example of it being applied

[pine nova]

what language is that 🗿

[lyric mountain]

the programming language is java, the pattern language is shirosig (my own)

[boreal iron]

God save us

[pine nova]

💀

[lyric mountain]

at least I get real threads u.u

[vivid fulcrum]

c# gets real enums

[lyric mountain]

real enums?

I think ur confusing java with ts, java does have enums that are enums

[timid geyser]

so I installed everything I needed as I'm on a new machine and

• D:\bot\Main.js
  at Function.Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:933:15)
  at Function.Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:778:27)
  at Module.require (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1005:19)
  at require (node:internal/modules/cjs/helpers:102:18)
  at Object.<anonymous> (D:\bot\Main.js:2:17)
  at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1105:14)
  at Object.Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1159:10)
  at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:981:32)
  at Function.Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:822:12)
  at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:77:12) {
  code: 'MODULE_NOT_FOUND',
  requireStack: [ 'D:\bot\Main.js' ]
  }

💀

[wheat mesa]

Did you copy your node_modules folder from somewhere?

[dusk vault]

god please at least use Kotlin

Java is so shit and verbose

[lyric mountain]

Tell me you don't code in java without saying you don't code in java

[dusk vault]

Uh what

I spent 2 years writing Java code before I switched to Kotlin

https://tenor.com/view/kotlin-java-programmer-meme-average-kotlin-enjoyer-average-java-fan-gif-21761248

[lyric mountain]

Tsk tsk

Also, one of java's strong points in being verbose

[dusk vault]

There is none

[lyric mountain]

Debugging is stupidly easy because of that

[split hazel]

10 minutes to write a hello world program

[dusk vault]

public class Main {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println("Hello, world!");
    }
}

vskt fun main() { println("Hello, world") }

ain't no way you prefer the former

besides, the latter's literally "fun"

[lyric mountain]

Ok, now what's the name of the class, and how u get cmdline args?

[dusk vault]

there is no class :P

[lyric mountain]

What is its visibility?

[dusk vault]

you don't need a class at all for Kotlin

files can contain functions

[lyric mountain]

But what if I want one?

[dusk vault]

you can write it the same way if you really want

[lyric mountain]

Ok, then use proper examples

[dusk vault]

welp, you're def not worth my time

lmao

[lyric mountain]

???

[dusk vault]

you're a skid

[lyric mountain]

Lul tf is this?

You come out of nowhere, with baseless arguments and call me a skid?

[dusk vault]

baseless arguments, you just can't understand basic things lmao

[lyric mountain]

I told u to use comparable examples

[dusk vault]

that was one

it's the same code behavior

if you can't see that, I don't know what to say

[lyric mountain]

The top code has visibility info, class info and cmdline argument access

[dusk vault]

Java is a broken and outdated language and VM

Kotlin is an attempt to fix it

[dusk vault]

do you need those in the example? no
are they required? yes

[lyric mountain]

That's a shitty argument tbh

C++ is outdated af, yet it can't be replaced

[dusk vault]

whatever bro

blocked

not worth my time

any actual developers here or does everyone use Java lmao

[split hazel]

i'd say its too modern for its own good

never thought i'd say that about something

[dusk vault]

C++?

[split hazel]

the aims of c and c++ are departing

yes

[dusk vault]

it's kind of a mess

low level roots with modern stuff that doesn't really fit built on top

[split hazel]

even though its born from c i think it still couldve been a great language

[dusk vault]

Rust is a lot nicer imo

[split hazel]

its mainly the std library thats a problem

some of the features are too modern and aim to make things simpler instead of faster

[dusk vault]

Java meets C

[cinder patio]

Actually it's not the same behaviour

[dusk vault]

They do the same thing

[cinder patio]

the first one prints Hello, world! while the second one prints Hello, world

big difference

[dusk vault]

lol

did I forget the !

damn

[lyric mountain]

ok I'm back

[dusk vault]

typing on iOS

[cinder patio]

you're a skid if you forget such important details

get outta here

[dusk vault]

bet

[split hazel]

ios programmer opinion immediately disregarded

[lyric mountain]

lmao do u code as a hobby?

[dusk vault]

going to be working full time for Chia before I'm 18 actually

:P

[lyric mountain]

going to, ok ok

that explains most of it

[cinder patio]

and what you're gonna be paid in crypto 💀

[dusk vault]

I'm working 30hrs/wk rn

[lyric mountain]

wait, there's a meme for this scenario

[dusk vault]

nah

[lyric mountain]

lemme see if I find it

[dusk vault]

irdc

[split hazel]

1 dogecoin payment

[wheat mesa]

oh no no no overconfident dev moment

[dusk vault]

how so

[wheat mesa]

god complex

[dusk vault]

how so

[wheat mesa]

as a developer you're legally required to have imposter syndrome

not the opposite

[dusk vault]

lol

[split hazel]

every c++ dev

[dusk vault]

im also particularly edgy rn cus im sick

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusk vault]

I mean you basically have to be god to write good C++ code

[cinder patio]

that's false. just use smart pointers

and boom you're writing JS

[split hazel]

(they sometimes dont write good code)

[dusk vault]

lmfao

[cinder patio]

shared_pointer everywhere

[dusk vault]

cringe

[split hazel]

smart pointers 💀

[cinder patio]

yeah

not dumb pointers

like u

[dusk vault]

LOL

[split hazel]

you give: performance and speed
you receive: sanity

[lyric mountain]

nah cant find it, don't know exactly what to type to search for it

[dusk vault]

skill issue

[cinder patio]

unique_pointer is most likely just as fast as the regular pointers

and it prevents so many issues

[dusk vault]

unique as in borrow checked or what

[cinder patio]

unique as in one owner only

[dusk vault]

ah like it can't be copied

[split hazel]

dollar store rust rip off

[dusk vault]

sounds harder to make a major mistake with

[wheat mesa]

imagine thinking c++ has memory safe borrow checking 💀

[dusk vault]

lol I'm sure there's a macro for that

that takes 6 hours to expand

[cinder patio]

I mean if you fuck up with smart pointers then you're just dumb😩

and that's ok

[dusk vault]

I tried C++ for a while and just switched back to Rust

[lyric mountain]

anything can be fucked with if you try hard enough

[dusk vault]

couldn't handle the spaghetti

[dusk vault]

like me

lol

[split hazel]

rust developer realizing some things just cant be performed safely and you have to use unsafe code sometimes

[cinder patio]

When 90% of the rust std is inside unsafe blocks 💀

[dusk vault]

I'm fine with unsafe code

[wheat mesa]

i need to learn how rust lifetimes work

I don't understand it

[dusk vault]

It's just the language itself I dislike

[split hazel]

rust making you mark operations to a static global integer as unsafe just because of race conditions even though you dont use any threads

[wheat mesa]

I understand when variables go out of scope and are therefore destroyed but I have no idea what this 'a syntax does

[dusk vault]

tells the compiler how long a variable is alive

[wheat mesa]

I know but I have no idea how to use it

[dusk vault]

it's a bit of a mess

lifetime elisions are great tho

[wheat mesa]

someone told me to do this ```rs
pub enum TokenValue<'a> {
String(&'a str),
Number(f64),
}

[dusk vault]

the str reference lasts as long as the enum itself

[cinder patio]

It means the string will live at least as long as TokenValue lives

[wheat mesa]

This seems almost like the async await curse in c# where it spreads throughout your code like a disease

[dusk vault]

you can also just use String if you don't want to use a reference

[cinder patio]

Yeah it's a little annoying but it's only in type definitions so eh

[split hazel]

rust users when you turn a reference into a pointer: 💀

[wheat mesa]

Oh you don't need to bother with actually doing anything special once the struct is instantiated?

[dusk vault]

Raw pointers kinda defeat the purpose of the borrow checker if you don't need them

[cinder patio]

yeah the compiler handles it

rust doesn't have safe pointers

[split hazel]

rust out here making you define every field of a struct with no way to assign default values

[dusk vault]

there's #[derive(Default)]

but it's basically only for zeroed values

I think

[wheat mesa]

Ok so what I'm understanding here is the reason I need to use a lifetime here is because the reference to the string could potentially be dropped in the code and when I try to reference it in the struct for say a function or something, it's unsafe?

[dusk vault]

yes

[cinder patio]

That makes the struct have a default value you still have to pass it as a field

[wheat mesa]

And this is a practice I should follow for all reference fields in a struct?

[dusk vault]

in some cases the compiler infers that though

yeah it'll require you to generally

but you can reuse the same lifetime parameter

[wheat mesa]

Ok ok

I think I understand now

[dusk vault]

you can ..Default::default()

[cinder patio]

any data in the struct cannot be freed before the struct itself

[cinder patio]

but that's still specifying the value

[wheat mesa]

Yeah that makes sense

I didn't understand it because last night was the first time I actually tried to understand what lifetimes do

[dusk vault]

wdym

[split hazel]

c developers realizing rust has no malloc: 😱😨😰😭😭😮‍💨🤬🤬🤬

[dusk vault]

I've been learning Rust bc of the Bevy game engine

[wheat mesa]

c developers realizing they don't get to cast 30 different void pointers to 20 different types in rust

[dusk vault]

it's a pretty based language

C developers realizing Rust doesn't pollute the global namespace

[lyric mountain]

it's actually not recommended to namespace std

[dusk vault]

that's not a Rust nor C thing