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jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:49 PM

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how do i convert flags to badges like this on screenshot? ^

pale vessel Dec 17, 2021, 4:49 PM

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https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/user#user-object-user-flags

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393472 & 1 << 18 for example

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If it doesn't return 0, then they have that flag/badge

jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:50 PM

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math moment

jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:52 PM

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pale vessel `393472 & 1 << 18` for example

How tf math works. (I mean, it works, but how 🧠)

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Thank you

pale vessel Dec 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.bitwise.php

jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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pale vessel https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.bitwise.php

?

pale vessel Dec 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Have a read

jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Okay

jaunty dune Dec 17, 2021, 4:55 PM

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jaunty dune How tf math works. (I mean, it works, but how 🧠)

But this also works

wheat mesa Dec 17, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Bitwise operations

boreal iron Dec 17, 2021, 5:45 PM

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PHP 🤍

sick agate Dec 17, 2021, 5:54 PM

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how do i proxy tcp connections in nodejs with node:net

quartz kindle Dec 17, 2021, 6:13 PM

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read from source socket and write to destination socket

tardy hornet Dec 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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when ever I use this menu it returns this error:

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:14 PM

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is there any max document limit for mongoose fetch (since i already have 150k in mongo db)

cinder patio Dec 17, 2021, 7:29 PM

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I don't think so

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buuut you shouldn't load them all into memory

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I cache them, so i load all into the memory mmLol ,but the documents are really small. All documents are about 11mb and 3mb leaned

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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pale vessel <https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/user#user-object-user-flags>

I've never understood bitshifting. that crap blows my mind every time lol

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:38 PM

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earnest phoenix is there any max document limit for mongoose fetch (since i already have 150k in...

not as far as i know. could be totally wrong though. never had to deal with as many documents as that in my collections

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like, afaik, as long as a document matches the query, it will be returned in the documents array

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but i dont normally use fetch tbf, i normally find or findone

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Caching is the best solution for me, since retrieving from cache is 100-500 times faster then fetching from mongo db

whole glen Dec 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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    console.log(`Logged in as ${client.user.tag}!`);
  console.log('Ready!');
  console.log('In ' + client.guilds.cache.size + ' servers')
  client.user.setPresence({
   status: "online"
  });
    client.user.setActivity('Servers: ' + client.guilds.cache.size + ' (work in progress)', { type: 'STREAMING', url: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ' });
  const restartlog = new MessageEmbed();
    restartlog.setTitle('DaBaby bot has been restarted')
    restartlog.setColor('#ffff00')
    restartlog.setTimestamp()
 client.channels.cache.get('838264759899652137').send(restartlog)
  //shows stats on my bot on my server
});
``` throw new DiscordAPIError(data, res.status, request);
            ^

DiscordAPIError: Cannot send an empty message

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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i've had a custom wrapper around mongoose for years that i use. its my 'cachebase' module, which is then further extended by my project specific database module 😄

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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whole glen ```client.once('ready', () => { console.log(`Logged in as ${client.user.tag}...

v12 or v13?

cinder patio Dec 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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earnest phoenix I cache them, so i load all into the memory <:mmLol:356831697385422848> ,but the...

I was just talking about when fetching a lot more than a single document

whole glen Dec 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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newest one i think

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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.send({embeds:[restartlog]});

whole glen Dec 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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oh right

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they changed it im used to old one

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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lol yea i was too. i've come to prefer the new ways of doing things. slash commands are real nice 🙂

whole glen Dec 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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yes

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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todays mission: implement a choice select menu thingy

solemn latch Dec 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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they are quite easy

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the djs guide does an amazing job at explaining it

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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solemn latch they are quite easy

hi waa

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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ye i dont imagine it will take long, but i havent tried those yet. been too busy rewriting my minigame system to accomodate buttons and remove its reaction based system

solemn latch Dec 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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heya

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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what would be the best channel to get feedback on the design/layout of an image my bot sends?

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 7:50 PM

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I would assume this one is fine since its sorta dev related right @solemn latch ?

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 7:54 PM

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ye i was thinking the same, but always best to double check 😄

solemn latch Dec 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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probably here yeah

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:36 PM

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How can I not make HTML look so packed? Or how can I increase a chrome extensions box?

Screen_Shot_2021-12-17_at_3.35.49_PM.png

split hazel Dec 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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tf did you do to make it look like that

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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KEKW

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its a chrome extension

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so

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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split hazel tf did you do to make it look like that

idk

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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spark flint its a chrome extension

yeah

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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theres some code from an open source extension i forked

📎 popup.html

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thats for a popup

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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oh okay

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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https://github.com/dnorhoj/AntiRickRoll look there

GitHub

GitHub - dnorhoj/AntiRickRoll: Chrome extension that blocks Rickrolls!

Chrome extension that blocks Rickrolls! Contribute to dnorhoj/AntiRickRoll development by creating an account on GitHub.

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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okay

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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its got the whole popup code

earnest phoenix Dec 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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okay

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

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^ graphing network data for my server

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all my junk runs in docker containers, so there is a netdata container, bot container, website, db, etc. they use their own network under the hood to only expose the site to the world. but i got my bot doing api calls to the netdata container to get server stats ❤️

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obviously it looks ass atm. but im happy about being able to do that 😄

sudden geyser Dec 17, 2021, 10:07 PM

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looks like weed

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:07 PM

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oh yea, thats my temp bg image lol

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my bots a drug trading minigame type thing, has a weed bg 😛

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can buy and sell and pvp and junk 😛

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but im super happy about being able to graph network data (and other server stats accurately, like ram usage). then i can easily check up on things 😄

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Hey guys,
I am relatively new to programming with Discord bots, but I wanted to try it out and learn how to work with an API as well. I am currently a bit confused whether I need my Token and an OAuth2 link or only one of them.
I appreciate any response, thank you :)

sudden geyser Dec 17, 2021, 10:41 PM

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You'll need both of them usually.

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An OAuth2 link is for users to invite your bot

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While your bot token is like a password only your bot should know

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Unless you're referring to a different kind of token

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:42 PM

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I did mean the bot token :)

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:43 PM

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you would use the token for the bot to login. the oauth link would be used for folks to invite the bot to their server

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Okay, thanks. That answered the first thing I didn't completely understand xD

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:43 PM

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your allowed to share the oauth link. never share your token, or you need to reset and change it

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Makes sense

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And, to make sure, a bot is also treated as an "Application", right? https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands

Discord Developer Portal

Discord Developer Portal — API Docs for Bots and Developers

Integrate your service with Discord — whether it's a bot or a game or whatever your wildest imagination can come up with.

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Referring to "Application" in that context

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:46 PM

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yes, you first create an application, and then that can have a bot associated with it

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you must have an app to make a bot

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but i think there are other type of applications? like, games and such that integrate with discord. not 100% on that though

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Games have a separate entry, https://discord.com/developers/docs/game-sdk/sdk-starter-guide#sdk-starter-guide, which is why I was a bit confused

Discord Developer Portal

Discord Developer Portal — API Docs for Bots and Developers

Integrate your service with Discord — whether it's a bot or a game or whatever your wildest imagination can come up with.

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:49 PM

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yea but, you might create an app like a game with a 'rich presence' so that your app gets recognized by discord in a users profile, so it tells others what app they are using, for example

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like that

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Ah, yes right

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 10:52 PM

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but yea, kind of off topic for your question lol. sorry 😄

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 PM

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No problem xD

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Another question is, do I need to connect permanently to the API, WebSocket, or are, for commands at the moment, GET & Post enough?
||And how would I do GET & POST, as I am a bit confused in regards to "asking" something from the API||

lament rock Dec 17, 2021, 11:15 PM

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red venture Another question is, do I need to connect permanently to the API, WebSocket, or ...

depends on your use cases. You don't connect permanently to either rest or socket. The websocket can provide data like joining guild voice channels, but shouldn't be used to handle commands. Application commands should be used for command handling obviously. The rest is just actions that the websocket or application commands don't provide.

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 11:17 PM

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how would i order in descending order using mongodb on nodejs

lament rock Dec 17, 2021, 11:17 PM

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SELECT * FROM table ORDER BY column DESC

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 11:17 PM

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mongodb

lament rock Dec 17, 2021, 11:18 PM

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oh my b. My brain was like mysql

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 11:18 PM

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KEKW

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i usually use mysql

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but in this case i have too much data to move

lament rock Dec 17, 2021, 11:18 PM

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postgres is strong in that regard and requires less refactoring. Maria couldn't keep up for me

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 11:19 PM

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lament rock depends on your use cases. You don't connect permanently to either rest or socke...

Ah, okay thanks. So, when I am not using VC, REST is completely sufficient?

lament rock Dec 17, 2021, 11:20 PM

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VC is just an example. There are other events like guild create and delete which are required for getting client guild count, but if you don't require states of resources in your app, then just rest is completely sufficient

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 11:20 PM

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spark flint how would i order in descending order using mongodb on nodejs

cant you just sort the array after fetching? assuming you need to get and sort all entries anyway

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 11:20 PM

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i fixed it now

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const data = await users.find({}).limit(16).sort( { score: -1 }).toArray();

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that worked

red venture Dec 17, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Thank you :)

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 11:30 PM

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oh your making a highscore list? fun! ❤️

spark flint Dec 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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yep

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vibecat

neat ingot Dec 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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i usually do something like this for highscore lists:

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model.instanceMethods.addNewEntry = async function(name, score, extra) {
    const new_entry = new ListEntry.model({
        uname: sanitize(name).trim(),
        extra: sanitize(extra).trim(),
        score: Number(sanitize(score)),
    });
    this.entries.push(new_entry);
    this.sortInOrder();
    while (this.max_entries > 0 && this.max_entries < this.entries.length) {
        this.entries.pop();
    }    
    await this.save();
    // fix for this.entries.indexOf(new_entry);
    // as it wasnt working properly
    const filtr = e => e.id === new_entry.id;
    const entry = this.entries.find(filtr);
    return this.entries.indexOf(entry);
};```

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^ where by, i sort the list upon adding a new score

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and then remove the additional entries

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that way i can ensure the dataset doesnt grow too large

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like, i have a highscore model that has an entries array, so like, each server might have its own highscore list, or each game, or each project, w.e

drowsy flume Dec 18, 2021, 12:17 AM

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yo

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 12:18 AM

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hi

drowsy flume Dec 18, 2021, 12:18 AM

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do you think I should add more info on the bot, or will people not actually read all of it

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Make it detailed but not too detailed

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there is a chance users would want to know what it is

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but make sure to have a simple sum up at the top for those who don't want to

drowsy flume Dec 18, 2021, 12:19 AM

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yeah that makes sense

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maybe I should photoshop a picture or something

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 12:19 AM

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drowsy flume do you think I should add more info on the bot, or will people not actually read...

I'd suggest only displaying the information the user asked for or needs

drowsy flume Dec 18, 2021, 12:20 AM

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oh this is for the top.gg page

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 12:20 AM

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ah

drowsy flume Dec 18, 2021, 12:20 AM

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how hard is it to add a image to it

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 12:48 AM

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    let user = interaction.options.getMember('user')
  let role = '921560627909099561';
  let role2 = interaction.guild.roles.cache.get('921560627909099561')
  console.log(role2)
const row = new MessageActionRow()
            .addComponents(
                new MessageSelectMenu()
                    .setCustomId('select')
                    .setPlaceholder('Nothing selected')
                    .addOptions([
                        {
                            label: 'Human Resources',
                            description: 'Hire user as Human Resources',
                            value: 'hr',
                        },
                    ]),
            );

const embed  = new MessageEmbed()
    .setAuthor(interaction.user.tag, interaction.user.displayAvatarURL({ dynamic:true }))
    .setDescription(`Select a Department to hire a User Into.`)
    
        await interaction.reply({ embeds: [embed], components: [row], ephemeral:true });

const filter = (interaction) => {
if(interaction.user.id === interaction.member.id) return true;
return interaction.reply({ content: "You can't use this button" })}
    const collector = interaction.channel.createMessageComponentCollector({ filter, time: 15000 });

collector.on('collect', async i => {
    if (!i.isSelectMenu()) return;


if (i.customId === 'hr') {

        await i.deferUpdate();
  await user.roles.add(role2)
        await i.channel.send({ content: 'Selected **Human Resources**! Roles Given', components: [] });
    }
});
    }
}```
> **`This interaction failed`** is what it keeps saying but I see nothing wrong ![whyGod](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/830101616760717322.webp?size=128 "whyGod") .

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 12:51 AM

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you didnt specify exactly which part fails, the command interaction or the select menu interaction

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but i can see many things wrong in that code

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 12:54 AM

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Select menu lol my bad.

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It sends the first embed and stuff, but doesn't do anything when I click "hr"

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o-o

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 1:25 AM

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well, first of all, you are overriding the name interaction inside your filter

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so your filter is using the wrong interaction

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use a different name

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and also, dont return interaction.reply inside the filter, because interaction.reply returns a promise, which is a truthy value (it exists and its not null/undefined)

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so your filter will still pass even if the "cant use this button" message is sent

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Done.

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Still a interaction failed.

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 1:31 AM

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so

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(new URL(url), function(url.hostname == "i.imgur.com"))

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<% if (user.banner || (new URL(url), function(url.hostname == "i.imgur.com")) { %>
  <img class="w-full" src="<%= user.banner %>" alt="" />
<% } else { %>
  <img class="w-full" src="https://static.capy.host/i/8zqNRkdr.png" alt="" />
<% } %>```

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how would i make it check that the url hostname is i.imgur.com

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SyntaxError: Unexpected token '.'

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 1:33 AM

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does this need to be done inside ejs?

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could it be done in js on the webpage?

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 1:33 AM

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well

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it lists users using users.forEach

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so its probably not possible (or easy)

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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spark flint ```js <% if (user.banner || (new URL(url), function(url.hostname == "i.imgur.com...

How about new URL(...).host === ...

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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^

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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oh good point

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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yeah

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 1:34 AM

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forgot about that facepalm

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Actually .hostname would be better

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since it'd exclude ports

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 1:36 AM

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i did .hostname

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 1:37 AM

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nice

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Hey guys Im having an error

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Update node

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v16 or higher

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:35 AM

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ok

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@wheat mesa How do i Update?

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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I’m assuming you’re using replit

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Yep

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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There’s some sort of replit guide out there for updating

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Me and my friend are coding it togther

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 4:36 AM

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I don’t have the link though

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:39 AM

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@wheat mesa it wont let me install node

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We keep getting

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Look up a tutorial on how to update node in replit

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There’s tons out there

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:43 AM

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npm init -y && npm i --save-dev node@16 && npm config set prefix=$(pwd)/node_modules/node && export PATH=$(pwd)/node_modules/node/bin:$PATH

In your shell

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Then create a .replit file in the main branch and put

run="npm start"
``` in it

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 4:44 AM

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wtf

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npmjs is hosting node?

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bruh

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it is

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 AM

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hidden gorge <@!173489654144696320> it wont let me install node

Replit should alr come with node.

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What did you create your project as?

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 4:48 AM

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earnest phoenix Replit should alr come with node.

Well Well Hi Noah

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:49 AM

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SA_wumpus_wave

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This might not make any differences but I always have this on my replit projects:

 },
  "engines": {
    "node": "16.x"
  }```

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This is also what the command above creates when you run that:

 "devDependencies": {
    "node": "^16.13.1"
  }``` *or should*

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 5:18 AM

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some envs respect engines like heroku

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:37 AM

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heloo

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i use djs

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does anyone know how to make an avatar command i have seen a few tutorials but it does not work

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 6:39 AM

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hot whale does anyone know how to make an avatar command i have seen a few tutorials but i...

What's the problem? getting any errors?

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:40 AM

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hold on

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if (message.content ==='.av')
    const user = message.mentions.users.first() || message.author;
    const avatarEmbed = new Discord.RichEmbed()
        .setColor(0x333333)
        .setAuthor(user.username)
        .setImage(user.avatarURL);
    message.channel.send(avatarEmbed);
}
);```

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btw i am a beginner

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 6:42 AM

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That code snippet uses an old version of discord.js

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:42 AM

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i see

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can u send the updated version

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of the avatar command

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if thats fine

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with you

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 6:46 AM

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We don't spoon-feed, but we can help you change a few things for it to work:

The message event is deprecated and removed, use the messageCreate event instead
The RichEmbed class was renamed to MessageEmbed
I recommend creating slash-commands instead of normal message commands

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The discord.js guide can help you with a lot of things:
https://discordjs.guide

Discord.js Guide

Imagine a guide... that explores the many possibilities for your discord.js bot.

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:47 AM

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ah ok

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ye i use that sometimes

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do they have the avatar command guide there

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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Nope, but it gives you an idea of what you can do to get started, you can have a look at the documentation to see what you can use to get the avatar of the user and do whatever you want with it

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:49 AM

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alr thanks

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const user = message.mentions.users.first() || message.author;
^^^^^

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this is the error i am getting

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unexpected token

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 6:50 AM

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You're missing the { after the if statement

marble juniper Dec 18, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Also don't follow outdated youtube tutorials

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cuz to me it seems like u do

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lol

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:50 AM

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ahha yes

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i am new to this so i didnt really know what to do

marble juniper Dec 18, 2021, 6:51 AM

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Before making a bot you should defenitly know the basics and how to debug properly

hot whale Dec 18, 2021, 6:55 AM

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yeah

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 7:34 AM

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hot whale ```client.on('message', message => { if (message.content ==='.av') const use...

its v11 d.js

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topgg_codebase

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in v13 message => messageCreate RichEmbed() => MessageEmbed() avatarURL => avatarURL() send({ embeds: [embed] });

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 8:47 AM

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i am using aws lambdas for each of my bot commands. some of the lambdas have duplicate code so i'm moving that logic to "layers" so that it can be shared between the lambdas. I'm not sure how i should organize the common logic. should each shared function be it's own layer? should i make 1 large layer with all the common logic? Each lambda is limited to 5 layers so i'm worried about making each layer 1 function because i might run out of layer slots for the lambda, but each lambda is so small that it shouldn't have too many needed layers so i dont really know what to do yet

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:10 AM

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how can I make that the bot wont react to interactions in its dms?
with:

        if (interaction.channel.type === 'dm') return;

????

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:11 AM

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dude you have returned to dm

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wtf

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  // your code 
}```

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:15 AM

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earnest phoenix ```if (interaction.channel.type === 'dm') { // your code }```

pretty sure you forgot the add return befure the }

and the thing I did works with the message.channel.type

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I dont want it to return anything

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:15 AM

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what

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:16 AM

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@tardy hornet

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if not a guild, then do nothin

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:16 AM

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k ty

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:17 AM

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i don't understand didn't he want to reply to dm messages

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Thonk

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:17 AM

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no

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"how can I make that the bot wont react to interactions in its dms?"

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:17 AM

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if its slash commands, they can also reply in channels they cant see

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so you might want to check bot permissions for the channel after that

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:18 AM

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i thought won lmao

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:18 AM

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lol yeah my bad forgot to add a t

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well it did not work, its a slash command @neat ingot but ty for trying to help

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it still responded

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 AM

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dang, you rich

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 AM

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smiledog

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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idk why it doesnt work, i use those 3 checks for all my commands, and they dont respond in dms or channels it doesnt see (i also have checks for channel access)

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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tardy hornet well it did not work, its a slash command <@!382335343053242368> but ty for tryi...

Are you sure you put the code at the top?

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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yes

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 AM

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show your code

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:21 AM

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    if (interaction.user.bot) return; // if command user is a bot, return
    if (!interaction.guild.available) return; // if there is no guild available, return
    if (interaction.channel.type !== 'GUILD_TEXT') return; // if the command channel isnt a guild text channel, do the hokey kokey

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^ is all i use for the dm check, and for stopping bots ofc

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 AM

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earnest phoenix show your code

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 AM

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you can also get bot perms by: js const bot_permissions = guild.me.permissionsIn(channel).toArray();

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 AM

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messageCreate Thonk

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:23 AM

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fuck

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ty lol

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:23 AM

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i dont like that code, sorry

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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neat ingot i dont like that code, sorry

like a shit code lol

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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you should store your mods in a config or env file

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and idk what bls and blms are, but they are quite clearly discord snowflakes

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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neat ingot you should store your mods in a config or env file

I am still recoding the whole bot

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I will save their ids in a db

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 AM

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start as you mean to go on ❤️

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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ty

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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earnest phoenix messageCreate <:Thonk:356771720863940608>

ty for pointing it out lol

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fixed

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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which event are you listening to now? interactionCreate?

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

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freerealestate

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 AM

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neat ingot which event are you listening to now? interactionCreate?

yes

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 AM

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is how i handle that particlar event in my nub code 🙂

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:31 AM

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function toDiscord() {
var username = document.getElementById("name").value;
var age = document.getElementById("age").value;
var discordWebhook = "https://discord.com/api/webhooks/whatever";
var request = new XMLHttpRequest();
request.open("POST", discordWebhook);
request.setRequestHeader('Content-type', 'application/json');
var params = {
    username: "username",
    content: "hi"
};
request.send(JSON.stringify(params));
}

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ok so i am working on this little thing here and trying to get data from a form (it works)

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but the issue is it doesn't send it to my webhook

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unless i paste it on the console, idk if a webhook is supposed to work that way

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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neat ingot

for some reason now it reads type as null

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:33 AM

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var discordWebhook = "https://discord.com/api/webhooks/whatever";
var request = new XMLHttpRequest();
request.open("POST", discordWebhook);
request.setRequestHeader('Content-type', 'application/json');
var params = {
    username: "username",
    content: "hi"
};
request.send(JSON.stringify(params));
}

this part works just fine tested it on the console, but when i do it inside my webpage it wont work

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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slender wagon ```js function toDiscord() { var username = document.getElementById("name").valu...

Are you using google script?

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:34 AM

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no i am making my own form

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it does call the thing

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i console loged the username and everything

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it just doesn't push it to the webhook

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Does your button have type="submit"?

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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yup

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neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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your form* might be trying to submit before the function call?

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idk, random guess

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Add your script after body

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

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okay

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same shit

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also

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what could this be

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

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Your localhost shutdown I guess

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

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if you comment out the request, when you click to submit your form, does the page reload or anything?

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

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https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/runtime/lastError

runtime.lastError - Mozilla | MDN

This value is used to report an error message from an asynchronous API, when the asynchronous API is given a callback. This is useful for extensions that are using the callback-based version of the WebExtension APIs.

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

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neat ingot if you comment out the request, when you click to submit your form, does the pag...

it does reload

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and adds this

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

#

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:40 AM

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slender wagon and adds this

Disable action in form to avoid this

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

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try remove the () from your onsubmit= declaration ?

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i'd personally just get the js object and rewrite the function from there, but give that a bash first 😄

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:42 AM

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same thing

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:43 AM

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foggy heath Disable `action` in form to avoid this

no action

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found

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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well, i rolled the dice and failed, who's up next? 😛

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:44 AM

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neat ingot well, i rolled the dice and failed, who's up next? 😛

Haha

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Create codesandbox link

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I will check xD

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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i just spent like 2 hours debugging why paypal wasnt working for my localhost site, to discover i hadnt enabled the button to open the freakin paypal window...

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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slender wagon no action

event.preventDefault(); to prevent that from happening

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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neat ingot i just spent like 2 hours debugging why paypal wasnt working for my localhost si...

Oof

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Painful shit

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 AM

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yea, a big one 😄

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it happens though

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 11:46 AM

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neat ingot it happens though

ofc

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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foggy heath `event.preventDefault();` to prevent that from happening

same thing

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:47 AM

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wth

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in your umm

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pass the event

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https://jsfiddle.net/jgasnv03/

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

#

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which event am i supposed to call here

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:52 AM

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^ that shows a form that when event isnt passed, it doesnt log

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check the fiddle link i sent, it may help 🙂

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like, if you either dont pass the event to the toDiscord(), then the event.preventDefault() cant be triggered

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if that isnt there, the form will trigger a reload when submitted

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or, try to load another page ~ w.e

gentle condor Dec 18, 2021, 11:55 AM

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how can I undisable a disabled button in discord.py (discord-componemts)

slender wagon Dec 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

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@neat ingot YOOO THANKS

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that fixed itt

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 12:00 PM

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#development message

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random guess for the win

foggy heath Dec 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

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neat ingot random guess for the win

Lessgo xD

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 12:18 PM

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😛

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 2:14 PM

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ID is undefined

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Wait no

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It means that Channel is undefined, so where can it get ID from?

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 2:15 PM

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neat ingot

good theme

crimson pike Dec 18, 2021, 2:42 PM

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neat ingot

what is the name of this theme

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 2:43 PM

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synthwave 84 (vs code extension)

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you can make it glow like neon and stuff too, but thats too distracting imo 😛

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:32 PM

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Need help if my bot dont have presnece intent and i want to use this code

intents = discord.Intents.all()
intents.members = True

How to use this

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:34 PM

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earnest phoenix Need help if my bot dont have presnece intent and i want to use this code ```py ...

intents.presence = True

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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spark flint `intents.presence = True`

But my dont have presence intent

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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ah

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is it returning an error

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Yes

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.members = True```

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that

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change to that

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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This work not properly

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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default instead of all

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:35 PM

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On deafult
Bot not ban user

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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thats why you then specify underneath which intents

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:39 PM

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spark flint thats why you then specify underneath which intents

intents = discord.Intents.all()
intents.members = True
intents.presence = False

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This works?

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Or not

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Should do

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but its not good practice requesting all intents

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thats why you do default and request the ones you need

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:40 PM

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@spark flint what is meant by presence intent

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:40 PM

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see if a user is online, do not disturb, offline, idle etc

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and see what game theyre playing etc

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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spark flint see if a user is online, do not disturb, offline, idle etc

So how its track it?

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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well do you need to?

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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That user is idle or

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Dnd

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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spark flint well do you need to?

Wdym?

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:41 PM

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do you need to track their status

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always think ahead, is it a good enough feature for Discord to verify you for

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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spark flint always think ahead, is it a good enough feature for Discord to verify you for

How to apply for it

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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is your bot verified

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Yes

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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then apply for it in developer dashboard

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:44 PM

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spark flint then apply for it in developer dashboard

But how to check my bot track user is offline or dnd

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Or online

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:45 PM

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member.status

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:46 PM

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spark flint `member.status`

Full code?

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:46 PM

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thats it

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that would return the members status

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Yes

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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spark flint that would return the members status

Where i write this

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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thats pretty hard to answer, but in the location you need it, which also has the member variable defined.

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:53 PM

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yep

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 3:55 PM

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👀 why do you have random capital letters in variable names

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 3:55 PM

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pain

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 3:55 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/mfBKeq0.png

Imgur

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it makes readability go out the window 😄

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I've never used discord-buttons, always just used the ones inbuilt in js.
not sure how much help I can give.
and it seems the owner of the library no longer supports it.

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probably best to not use deprecated libraries.

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someone else might be able to help though, you never know.

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:14 PM

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solemn latch https://i.imgur.com/mfBKeq0.png

Buttons in py?

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On click button next page show

solemn latch Dec 18, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Not a py programmer, not sure how to do that, but the py docs cover it

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Its a module called discord-components

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 4:28 PM

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when I try to start the bot

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it never done this before

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 4:40 PM

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tardy hornet when I try to start the bot

did you update your node version

plucky cairn Dec 18, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Has anyone had problems with the BOT skipping music before finishing the current one?

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with ytdl

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 PM

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don't use youtube for music bots

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discord doesn't verify them

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meaning your bot can never be in more than 100 servers

plucky cairn Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 PM

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for some reason, i saw that the bot is playing a song, and for no reason it stops and goes to the next

plucky cairn Dec 18, 2021, 4:47 PM

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earnest phoenix meaning your bot can never be in more than 100 servers

I know that, the idea is that it doesn't stay on 100 servers anyway

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:48 PM

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is in the support server of a website that lets you grow your bot

plucky cairn Dec 18, 2021, 4:50 PM

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what are you guys using for the bot? spotify?

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:51 PM

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nothing

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don't have one

plucky cairn Dec 18, 2021, 4:52 PM

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dbl

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Is it possible to check if a link is a redirect to an ip grabber for a chrome extension?

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 4:54 PM

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easier said than done

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 4:54 PM

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sudden geyser easier said than done

a[href^="extension" i]

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maybe this css selector works

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 4:58 PM

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tardy hornet when I try to start the bot

did you copy your node_modules folder from one place to another? if so, thats why

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 5:00 PM

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plucky cairn what are you guys using for the bot? spotify?

You can use SoundCloud as your default source

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Also, you should look into using LavaLink instead of writing your own voice code

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voice is super difficult

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I wrote my own LavaLink so I would know

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 5:02 PM

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quartz kindle did you copy your node_modules folder from one place to another? if so, thats wh...

I retried with out the node folder and yet it does not work

gilded olive Dec 18, 2021, 5:08 PM

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earnest phoenix Buttons in py?

discord.py 2.0 supports buttons

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:12 PM

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tardy hornet I retried with out the node folder and yet it does not work

explain what you did and what "does not work" means

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 5:13 PM

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quartz kindle explain what you did and what "does not work" means

I uploaded the whole code again just with out the node_modules folder

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 5:35 PM

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app.enable("trust proxy"); is this required, if i use apache 2 reverse proxy?

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:39 PM

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tardy hornet I uploaded the whole code again just with out the node_modules folder

and? did you reinstall the modules?

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and you still didnt explain what "does not work" means

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nobody can help you if you dont tell us whats going on

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 5:42 PM

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quartz kindle and? did you reinstall the modules?

cant, like when I do npm i it just returns the same error

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:42 PM

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?

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what error?

tardy hornet Dec 18, 2021, 5:43 PM

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quartz kindle ?

it does not matter it was a problem on the host side, they just told me and its good now, sorry for spending your time for nothing

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:43 PM

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lol ok

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 5:47 PM

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earnest phoenix `app.enable("trust proxy");` is this required, if i use apache 2 reverse proxy?

Configuration:

express
apache2 reverse proxy

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:50 PM

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earnest phoenix Configuration: * express * apache2 reverse proxy

tcp/websockets or normal http requests?

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 5:52 PM

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normal http requests ig,
basic web server with endpoints /slash/gid:/create
I have used this package https://www.npmjs.com/package/express-rate-limit ,but when it hits the rate limit it is global and not ip specific

npm

express-rate-limit

Basic IP rate-limiting middleware for Express. Use to limit repeated requests to public APIs and/or endpoints such as password reset.

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:53 PM

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according to the docs, "trust proxy" basically unhides headers set by a proxy, for example X-Forwarded-For

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these headers are used to obtain the original requester IP address

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otherwise express can only see apache's ip address, since all requests are coming from apache

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 5:54 PM

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so i need to enable it and are there any sideeffects?

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 5:54 PM

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yes, and no there are no side effects

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Can someone teach me how to develop my own bot?

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Do you know any programming languages?

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 PM

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wheat mesa Do you know any programming languages?

No. I want to know how to create and program the bot.

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 PM

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You’re going to need to learn a programming language first

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 PM

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Where can I learn that? 😭

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 PM

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I recommend starting off with JavaScript

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:26 PM

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There’s tons of tutorials online, javascript and python are beginner friendly

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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What about on phone-

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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(Though personally I’d recommend javascript)

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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noop

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Ok

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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no operation

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Hopefully I get a laptop soon

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:28 PM

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wheat mesa (Though personally I’d recommend javascript)

Ok! I will try on my iPad.

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 6:28 PM

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You can develop on a mobile device, but it's very limiting compared to desktop. I recommend you search up tutorials on JavaScript

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You can then build a bot with Discord.js

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 6:28 PM

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there is a web version of vscode

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probably the best bet if mobile is only option

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:28 PM

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lament rock there is a web version of vscode

I will try both

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:29 PM

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It’s not a great experience, but if you’re really motivated then go for it

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I found my iPad

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I got node on my jailbroken iphone, but poor experience

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Is any bot developers available to hop in VC and teach me how to use JavaScript?

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:30 PM

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lament rock I got node on my jailbroken iphone, but poor experience

Ok

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I’d recommend looking at some stuff online first, like W3Schools or something similar

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Ok.

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:31 PM

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wheat mesa I’d recommend looking at some stuff online first, like W3Schools or something si...

What did you say I need to learn?

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Javascript

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More specifically node.js if you’re looking into bot development

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:32 PM

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I am gonna go into YouTube and find some videos. Is also Programming Language

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 6:32 PM

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YouTube tutorials for JavaScript are weird awoowtf

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if you're a visual learner though, might be something

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I will see y’all soon

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 6:34 PM

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There are a lot of ways to learn JavaScript, and specifically Discord bots.

tepid warren Dec 18, 2021, 6:34 PM

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After viewing this video

quaint rampart Dec 18, 2021, 6:35 PM

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hey guys so i have an array full of player objects and i wanna sort the array by their team value there are only 2 team values 'Red' and 'Blue' how can i achieve this? (js) array: https://sourceb.in/NLmaBRFXPL

heavy stirrup Dec 18, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Hi

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Me bot and top.gg verivay @spark flint

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 6:58 PM

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please stop pinging me

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 7:00 PM

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But it’s important

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 7:00 PM

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heavy stirrup Me bot and top.gg verivay <@471409054594498561>

yes

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Me bot and top.gg verivay

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 7:00 PM

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me bot and top.gg verivay

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10/10 would do again

lyric mountain Dec 18, 2021, 7:18 PM

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No way, yall verivay?

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:40 PM

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This by default, returns true or false. How can i make it so it returns tickYes or ❌?

**MANAGE_CHANNELS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_CHANNELS')}

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 7:43 PM

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since it returns a boolean, wrap it in a condition

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For example,

if {message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_CHANNELS')) {
  return "tickYes"
} else {
  return "tickNo"
}

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:46 PM

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sudden geyser For example, ```js if {message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_CHANNEL...

This is what my code looks like and how you showed to do it, i will have to rewrite and hard code im pretty sure

const embed = new MessageEmbed()
      .setAuthor('Permission Checker')
      .setDescription(`This is all the permissions that i have\n\n
      __**General Server Permissions**__
      **VIEW_CHANNELS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('VIEW_CHANNEL')}
      **MANAGE_CHANNELS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_CHANNELS')}
      **MANAGE_ROLES** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_ROLES')}
      **MANAGE_EMOJIS_AND_STICKERS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_EMOJIS_AND_STICKERS')}
      **VIEW_AUDIT_LOG** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('VIEW_AUDIT_LOG')}
      **MANAGE_WEBHOOKS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_WEBHOOKS')}
      **MANAGE_SERVER** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_GUILD')}

      __**Membership Permissions**__
      **CREATE_INVITE** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('CREATE_INSTANT_INVITE')}
      **CHANGE_NICKNAME** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('CHANGE_NICKNAME')}
      **MANAGE_NICKNAMES** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_NICKNAMES')}
      **KICK_MEMBERS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('KICK_MEMBERS')}
      **BAN_MEMBERS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('BAN_MEMBERS')}

      __**Text Channel Permissions**__
      **SEND_MESSAGES** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('SEND_MESSAGES')}
      **SEND_MESSAGES_IN_THREADS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('SEND_MESSAGES_IN_THREADS')}
      **CREATE_PUBLIC_THREADS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('CREATE_PUBLIC_THREADS')}
      **CREATE_PRIVATE_THREADS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('CREATE_PRIVATE_THREADS')}
      **EMBED_LINKS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('EMBED_LINKS')}
      **ATTACH_FILES** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('ATTACH_FILES')}
      **ADD_REACTIONS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('ADD_REACTIONS')}
      **USE_EXTERNAL_EMOJIS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('USE_EXTERNAL_EMOJIS')}
      **USER_EXTERNAL_STICKERS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('USE_EXTERNAL_STICKERS')}
      **MENTION_EVERYONE** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MENTION_EVERYONE')}
      **MANAGE_MESSAGES** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_MESSAGES')}
      **MANAGE_THREADS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('MANAGE_THREADS')}
      **READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY')}
      **USE_APPLICATION_COMMANDS** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('USE_APPLICATION_COMMANDS')}
      
      **ADMINISTRATOR** - ${message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has('ADMINISTRATOR')}
      `)

    message.reply({ embeds: [embed]})

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 7:46 PM

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You could simplify that with a function

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function permissionEmoji(message, p) {
  if (message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has(p)) {
    return "tickYes";
  } else {
    return "tickNo";
  }
}

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And now you can just

`**VIEW_CHANNELS** - ${permissionEmoji(message, "VIEW_CHANNEL")}`

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You could go even farther and get the permission names from somewhere else

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Since hard coding them isn't fun

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Yea

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Thanks

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@sudden geyser

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 7:52 PM

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A string is a valid permission resolvable.

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So maybe TypeScript is just trying to be annoying

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Does running your bot still work?

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:52 PM

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This is whats its giving me

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:52 PM

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sudden geyser Does running your bot still work?

Let me try

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return new TSError(diagnosticText, diagnosticCodes);
           ^
TSError: ⨯ Unable to compile TypeScript:
src/commands/test/audit.ts:18:53 - error TS2345: Argument of type 'string' is not assignable to parameter of type 'PermissionResolvable'.

18       if (message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has(p)) {
                                                       ~

    at createTSError (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:750:12)
    at reportTSError (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:754:19)
    at getOutput (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:941:36)
    at Object.compile (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:1243:30)
    at Module.m._compile (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:1370:30)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1153:10)
    at Object.require.extensions.<computed> [as .ts] (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:1374:12)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:981:32)
    at Function.Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:822:12)
    at Module.require (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1005:19)
    at require (node:internal/modules/cjs/helpers:94:18)
    at Object.<anonymous> (C:\Users\great\OneDrive\Desktop\Angelus\src\index.ts:101:17)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1101:14)
    at Module.m._compile (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:1371:23)
    at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1153:10)
    at Object.require.extensions.<computed> [as .ts] (C:\Users\great\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\ts-node\src\index.ts:1374:12) {
  diagnosticText: "\x1B[96msrc/commands/test/audit.ts\x1B[0m:\x1B[93m18\x1B[0m:\x1B[93m53\x1B[0m - \x1B[91merror\x1B[0m\x1B[90m TS2345: \x1B[0mArgument of type 'string' is not assignable to parameter of type 'PermissionResolvable'.\r\n" +
    '\r\n' +
    '\x1B[7m18\x1B[0m       if (message.member?.guild.me?.permissions.has(p)) {\r\n' +
    '\x1B[7m  \x1B[0m \x1B[91m                                                    ~\x1B[0m\r\n',
  diagnosticCodes: [ 2345 ]
}
[nodemon] app crashed - waiting for file changes before starting...

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Nope

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 7:53 PM

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sadge

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Try setting the type of p to PermissionResolvable

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I don't use TypeScript so I could be wrong

novel jetty Dec 18, 2021, 7:55 PM

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It works now!

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Thanks for the help!

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love

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 8:27 PM

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type string is not assignable to literal string union

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const s = "string";
const s2: "string" = s; // type string is not assignable to type "string"

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string literal types are weird but helpful

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 8:48 PM

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That doesn't sound right.

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That should work.

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What TS version are you running?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 8:52 PM

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are types causing a problem

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im so sorry

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but you can only blame typescript

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Not true

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 8:52 PM

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typescript is great for solving problems it creates

earnest phoenix Dec 18, 2021, 8:55 PM

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TS doesn't really create issues

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its the people who uses it

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 8:55 PM

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The theory about types is that it allows the compiler to find bugs at compile time, but you still have to test. the bugs that the type system find are useless. types system causes bugs that keep you up at night because you need to get around the type system
https://youtu.be/XFTOG895C7c?t=3258

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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yeah that should work

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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round cove That doesn't sound right.

it is correct. This occurs on any ts version. assigning something to a string without explicitly typing it as a string literally will be type string.

const s: "string" = "string";

will work, but my previous example will not because the constant was just of type string when the variable assigned to expects string literal

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 8:59 PM

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lament rock it is correct. This occurs on any ts version. assigning something to a string wi...

I don't get the same error you get with two const variables.

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Your version or config must be the reason.

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I'm also using strict.

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So I would assume it's your config.

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I am using strict type checking

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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oof

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Nothing else at all in your config?

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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https://ts-ast-viewer.com/#code/MYewdgzgLgBBMF4YCJoCcCWYDmyDcQA You can see the identifier "s" has a "string" type

TypeScript AST Viewer

Interactive viewer to help visualize the TypeScript Compiler API's AST.

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Probably a lot of other stuff but idk what all I've changed

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it would be type string unless the as const modifier is present on my end

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Or should I say a string type with value "string"

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const b: "string" also has a string type with value "string"

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so the two types are compatible

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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my settings are really strict

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super strict

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Okay, show it then.

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strict: true

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lol

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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at work rn

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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earnest phoenix TS doesn't really create issues

It does, imo. It adds so much complexity, valuing correctness over flexibility, and is, at best, good at verifying the type of something is correct—not whether its value actually makes sense (which is common). Even if you find a clever way to make the type system check the "value", there's a good chance the complexity of it is so astronomically high that a test/assert would've done better.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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types are like training wheels. it's easy to do easy stuff, but then it gets in the way when you do complex stuff

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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sudden geyser It does, imo. It adds so much complexity, valuing correctness over flexibility, ...

Have you ever used a strongly typed language before? Lol.

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Yes.

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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proven lantern types are like training wheels. it's easy to do easy stuff, but then it gets in ...

Only if you poorly design a system.

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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I use both static and dynamic and prefer dynamic.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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i usually design a system at the start before i know everything about the system

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but if you are really doing waterfall model development then it wont hurt too much to use types

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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If types get in your way of doing complex stuff then you just don't know how to use types

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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cinder patio If types get in your way of doing complex stuff then you just don't know how to ...

This lol.

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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weird, i know how to use types though

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Going back to the string literals, TS is infering that my const string is just the string literal string, but I'm also on TS 4.5.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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🍿

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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const str: string = "string"

I can type guys

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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that's a lot of typing

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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at least 20 characters

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:09 PM

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can you do object destruction while giving the variables a type?

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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It's inferred, why?

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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i'm not sure how the syntax would look

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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const {a, b}: Record<string, string> = {};

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:11 PM

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are the keys in objects ordered?

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const {a, b}: Record<string, number> = {};

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would a be a string and b be a number?

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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interface Person {
  name: string;
  age: number;
}

const dylan: Person = {
  name: "Dylan",
  age: 24
}

const { name, age } = dylan; // string, number```

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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proven lantern are the keys in objects ordered?

both would be number

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string is the key type

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number is the value type

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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is it possible to destruct two different types while doing strict typing?

lament rock Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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yes

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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const {a, b}: { a: string, b: number } = {};

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Like what I gave above?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:14 PM

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like what googlefeud is showing

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Literally what I sent above

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:14 PM

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oh wait

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i mean left side of the assignment

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no neither of what you did

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:14 PM

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What about the left side?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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const str: string = "string"

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const str: string

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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const str: string = "string" The type is inferred here you don't need to type it.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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you never need to type it

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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const str: string = "string"
const str = "string"``` are the same

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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it's js

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with ts garbage added

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:16 PM

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what

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lol

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lol

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lol

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Alright I'm not going into this one.

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Have fun

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:16 PM

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The TS compiler (as with most other modern compilers at this point) can infer type literals

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:16 PM

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proven lantern `const str: string = "string"`

For example, you don’t need to do this, you can just do what dylan showed

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Types are not a bad thing

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They prevent errors before they happen

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 PM

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ts is a superset of js

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so it has all the good parts of js

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Because js has flaws where types need to be known

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 PM

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js does have flaws

pale vessel Dec 18, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Is it really a flaw?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:18 PM

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but there should be a subset of js used, not a superset with all the flaws

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and more

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:18 PM

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I don’t want to have a function like js function addTwoNumbers(a, b) { return a+b; } when a or b might not be number types

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:19 PM

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hurrdurr only pass numbers to it then !!!1 1 11 11

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js devs be like

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🙄

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:19 PM

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I used js for a while then I got into TS and realized how much nicer it was

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:19 PM

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why is my program running into a runtime error

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:19 PM

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proven lantern but there should be a subset of js used, not a superset with all the flaws

Confused. Are you asking for a subset of JavaScript with less of JavaScript's known "problems"?

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So maybe adding a number and a string is an error in this version

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:20 PM

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I’d rather have my compiler yell at me than run into errors at runtime tbh

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:21 PM

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sudden geyser Confused. Are you asking for a subset of JavaScript with *less* of JavaScript's ...

pretty much. fix the problems instead of adding more problematic features

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

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wheat mesa I’d rather have my compiler yell at me than run into errors at runtime tbh

write tests

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Why write tests when I could just use types and make everything more clear?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

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wheat mesa Why write tests when I could just use types and make everything more clear?

types only catch simple problems

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

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wheat mesa I’d rather have my compiler yell at me than run into errors at runtime tbh

I'd say it depends on the person. I'd rather have the flexibility of dynamic typing and fix those issues while I'm testing them, which takes less time than when adding types into the mix.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

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the simplest of problems

wheat mesa Dec 18, 2021, 9:23 PM

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I understand that unit testing is useful in both situations but the fact still stands that typing can catch a lot of overlook-able errors

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:23 PM

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they only catch a small set of bugs imo

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the dumb mistakes like spelling

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or the type not being specific enough

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or you know what

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but when you need something more specific/advanced, ts tends to fall flat

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what I was saying before about even if you could get a type checker to catch them

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I was recently looking into Ramda (JS functional library) and wondered why it wasn't typed, and it was for these similar reasons

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:24 PM

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types not only help with simple stupid errors but they also improve readability by a lot, and also make your code more straightforward and predictable

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:25 PM

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at the expense of complexity? sure

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it's nice with documenters too

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auto generate these types/syntax

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I get that stuff

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:26 PM

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yup. And also I don't think it really introduces that much complexity

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it increases file size yes but it's worth it

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:29 PM

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What are you on about when you say complexity, it's not making sense.

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Please explain.

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 9:29 PM

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How would I check if a record already existed in a mongodb database? I'm using Nodejs.

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:29 PM

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spark flint How would I check if a record already existed in a mongodb database? I'm using N...

Using find will return null if it's not found.

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 9:29 PM

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oh epic

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then i could do if (!database.find({userid:userid})) right?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:30 PM

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https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/reference/operator/query/exists/

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:30 PM

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You need to await the process.

cinder patio Dec 18, 2021, 9:30 PM

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pretty sure it returns a promise

spark flint Dec 18, 2021, 9:30 PM

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oh shit yeah

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Returns a "query" which is their version of a promise.

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 9:34 PM

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If you're saying things like "function x takes inputs a int and b int and returns int", it doesn't sound complex. But then you want to draw a relationship between the two inputs and the output, and then you have Addition and Subtraction types that are structurally equivalent but have different types and therefore incompatible (TypeScript doesn't have this since it's structural, but people want it sadly), and then you want your type checker to do something really specific, like verify that two numbers don't overflow when combined (Xetera wrote an article about user permissions like this), and when you want to add a new field to your type but it turns out that was a breaking change despite it being optional

And then you sit back and ask, "is this really what I want?" A lot would say yes, but me? Nah.

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I've only talked a bit about scenarios where I think static typing like TS isn't beneficial, but I don't think types are all bad. Lower-level and mission-critical projects that use types for correctness or performance (like Rust) benefit from static typing. And the rest? Well, at least you can have your IDE auto-complete when you type dot.

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but fighting a static vs. dynamic war is boring

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So what's the weather like outside

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:39 PM

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I am still trying to think of the best way to refactor the common logic for my lambda into layers

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#development message

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the first function i'm planning to move into a shared layer is one that creates the matchmaking lobby embed object based on an array of players in the lobby

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 9:56 PM

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how does using lambdas work for bot development?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 9:57 PM

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i use the interactions endpoint to route to the lambda

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interaction endpoint -> api gateway -> router lambda -> command lambda

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 9:58 PM

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so like

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module.exports = {
    event_name: 'interactionCreate',
    execute_once: false,
    async execute(interaction) {
        // api call to lambda(interaction)
    },
};```

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or am i way off? 😄

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i've never used lambdas before, but i thought it was just for like, singular functions. so having a bot running in one confuses me

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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i just register a url here that points to my api gateway

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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oh interesting

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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i dont use a library

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:00 PM

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do you still need a bot to be running/logged in?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:01 PM

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you dont need it, but you can have one running

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i have one running so it appears online

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and for the legacy commands

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they were talking about better support for https only bots during the last event on the Discord Developers server

round cove Dec 18, 2021, 10:06 PM

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What does your lambda look like?

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/lamar-revenge-of-the-nerds-gif-23354664

Tenor

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:08 PM

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the team

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the slash project is one big lambda with all the command handlers. the tu prefix projects are the individual commands that im refactoring all the logic into

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:11 PM

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i find the concept of a bot using lambdas quite intreaguing tbh

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:11 PM

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neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:11 PM

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node is on v16 now btw for lts

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:11 PM

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aws lambda only supports 14 currently

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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so does a lambda have to like, spin up the node env each time it is called?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

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nope

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it stays on after a cold start

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and cold starts are very fast when the lambda is < 10mb

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like 10-50 ms

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:13 PM

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o0

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thats insanely fast

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:13 PM

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aws is much faster than firebase

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:13 PM

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i have internal network api calls that dont go as quick as that, and they technically run locally on the machine lol

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:14 PM

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nice, lol

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:16 PM

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proven lantern aws is much faster than firebase

I mean firebase sets out to do diffrent things

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:16 PM

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yeah, firebase does a lot more than just serverless functions

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Also if you think 10ms is good for cold start cloudflare does sub 1ms cold starts on the paid teirs

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:17 PM

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well, my server is warm. take that! SnorlaxDab

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:17 PM

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i need to play with cloudflare workers

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they seem pretty cool

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maybe that's the next step

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once all the commands are separated i can easily move one command over at a time

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:18 PM

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neat ingot well, my server is warm. take that! <:SnorlaxDab:458689094567067658>

it can double as a heater

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:19 PM

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it legit does since i started mining crypto 😄

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:19 PM

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make sure to only do gpu mining and not cpu mining.

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:19 PM

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lol yea

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i use my cpu

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:20 PM

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the server will be very slow if you did

boreal iron Dec 18, 2021, 10:21 PM

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I wonder about how cheap your electricity bill must be if you go for mining…

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:21 PM

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old gtx 1060 6gb, earns around 50p a day after eletric fees

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i mean, its not much, but im not tryna flex it or anythin' 😛

boreal iron Dec 18, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Hmm it’s not worth it over here…

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:26 PM

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energy here starts at $0.09 and then goes up to a little less than $0.11

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per kwh

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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texas?

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texas energy is cheap af

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i legit pay 20p per kw/h, which is like, 30+ cents

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:27 PM

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sudden geyser If you're saying things like "function x takes inputs a int and b int and return...

So the thing you're referring to is probably related to this https://blog.merovius.de/2017/09/12/diminishing-returns-of-static-typing.html but I don't understand the idea of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Yes you can technically describe your entire program within just a type system in a theorem prover or something and it would be a gigantic pain and not worth it 99.9% of the time, but static types become useful way earlier than that. Just because structural typing can be a pain doesn't mean the entire concept of static types are not worth it

boreal iron Dec 18, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Yeah I’m around 40cents too

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EU is just a big joke

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:29 PM

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like I just personally don't understand people who prefer dynamic typing to some kind of static typing. Writing js was such an unbelievable pain for me that I was gonna quit it entirely before I found TS

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:29 PM

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we get offsets here from hydro power plants

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:30 PM

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woeful pike like I just personally don't understand people who prefer dynamic typing to _som...

i see why people like ts, but to me it feels like an additional unnessicary layer

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raw js 4 lyfe!

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:31 PM

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writing js is so much easier than typescript yes but you very rarely write something and never touch it again

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changing things in js tho. The biggest pain I have ever experienced

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:31 PM

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training wheels are good for starters, but you can do a lot more when you take them off

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:31 PM

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same story with python or any dynamically typed language

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there are cool languages I want to use like clojure and elixir but I can't because dynamic typing is so unusable lol

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM

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woeful pike same story with python or any dynamically typed language

i mean python is strongly typed

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:32 PM

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ye but strong and dynamic are different traits

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:34 PM

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i mean, just because you can write dynamic code, it doesnt mean you have to

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:34 PM

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well yeah but a type system that allows dynamic typing is unsound

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:34 PM

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only if the user is

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but yea, having forced typings do make it easier for the user

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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typescript does an ok job at preventing implicit any and stuff like that

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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woeful pike well yeah but a type system that allows dynamic typing is unsound

or that transpiles to a dynamic language

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like ts

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/burn-sick-omg-omfg-dead-gif-4802144

Tenor

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I mean.. that depends

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:36 PM

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there are some reason for typed languages

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:36 PM

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assembly is also dynamically typed lol

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it's more about escape hatches

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:36 PM

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to be fair, type how you feel comfortable. if you like the featureset that ts offers, stick with it. its obviously a popular choice for a reason as many people feel the same way

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:36 PM

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types belong in languages that are system languages not application languages

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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For example Elm has basically 0 escape hatches. You can't circumvent the type system so even though you compile to JS you simply don't get runtime errors

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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elm is awesome

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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using one language to convert to another is always going to be behind the main language tho

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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proven lantern types belong in languages that are system languages not application languages

what's the difference

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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parts of it

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:37 PM

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no? try handwriting writing assembly that's better than the C++ compiler lol

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unless you mean high level transpiling

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:38 PM

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primary distinguishing characteristic of systems programming when compared to application programming is that application programming aims to produce software which provides services to the user directly (e.g. word processor), whereas systems programming aims to produce software and software platforms which provide services to other software, are performance constrained, or both (e.g. operating systems, computational science applications, game engines, industrial automation, and software as a service applications).

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:38 PM

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which could still be faster than handwritten js like compiling with asm.js

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:39 PM

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proven lantern ``` primary distinguishing characteristic of systems programming when compared t...

I didn't ask for a definition, I mean what do you think the difference is

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types make sure your program is sound, why would it matter who the end user is

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:39 PM

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i think of driver software when i think of systems programming

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one provides an api to other programmers

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the other makes a product

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:41 PM

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ok but you have running code at the end of the day. Doesn't really matter what the purpose is

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unless you mean it's more acceptable for application code to be unsound and crash/stop working etc

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:41 PM

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they can use more memory and be more sound

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less error prone

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you can build features faster for the customers

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you can make changes faster

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:44 PM

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making changes in dynamically typed languages is always ALWAYS much slower and more painful

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you have no idea what you broke

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unless you have flawless test coverage

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which makes you build features slower

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:45 PM

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depends on how you program

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if you write coupled code then you will have the problem

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:46 PM

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there's a sweet spot where you know exactly what stops working when you break the contract between types but without needing to encode every type of information at the type level

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yeah you can write decoupled code but when you make one breaking change somewhere you don't know what parts of your code relies on that broken change without either running your code or having perfect code coverage like I said

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I absolutely hate running my code, I love having a compiler tell me what exactly broke

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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you never mutate

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so things never break

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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what does mutations have to do with anything

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:47 PM

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you make new functions

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contracts cant change

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:48 PM

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that sounds like a nightmare. You don't need to keep the internals of your own codebase opaque to yourself

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:49 PM

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in my case whenever i make a new command i create a new codebase

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i dont change another codebase

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:49 PM

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and how do you find where you use a specific function without type information

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:49 PM

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if there is going to be a breaking change then i make a new command and cutover to that

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:49 PM

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when it's time to migrate

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I don't see how this is in any way more productive than getting instant feedback when you break things lol

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:50 PM

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you cant break things like you can when they are coupled

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its very liberating

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you dont have to think about the entire state and flow of the project to make a feature

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I mean I don't have to think about it, I just change something and look at what broke

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:52 PM

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i just make a new thing that cant break anything

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:52 PM

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so much more work

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idk it just seems like a painful way of working around the lack of safety rather than "move fast with dynamic typing" people like to talk about

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:55 PM

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less error prone is a big feature of programming this way

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:55 PM

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what

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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decoupling things means you can focus at the task at hand and not worry about other stuff

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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how is decoupling at all linked to dynamic languages again?

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:56 PM

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yeah I don't see the connection here

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you can write decoupled code with any kind of type system

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it sounds more to me like you're forced to version your own internal code to prevent accidentally breaking things because of dynamic typing more than anything

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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the issue caused by tight coupling are relieved a bit with a strong type system

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 10:58 PM

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As someone who maintains a roughly 500k loc python code base, you really dont save any time with it being written dynamically, infact the client has definitely lost not only performance but also alot of development time which has been spent debugging bugs coming out of the lack of strict rules.

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 10:59 PM

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most python people end up using type hinting at that point everywhere anyways so why not just use a proper type system idk

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 10:59 PM

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woeful pike So the thing you're referring to is probably related to this https://blog.merovi...

That article does share a lot of my views on static vs. dynamic typing, but I'm not suggesting we all throw out static typing. In fact, I said static typing is good in certain environments (e.g. systems where "real" performance can be extracted from knowing the type), but I don't see it useful in most, such as the browser or any "JS" environment (Node.js). In the browser, verifying the type is for your own safety. It doesn't care if you made the type checker happy, so its benefits extend to the developer at best. But that is why people use stuff like TypeScript, right? So I can be sure that argument I passed was an integer rather than a double? Like I said before, I don't see the benefit in these scenarios as types just add a lot of complexity to projects. It creates many puzzles for developers to solve and make sure their code is "correct" (which it's not, often). I can make sure that argument is an integer without one.

In some codebases, you can have static here and dynamic here (e.g. Dart), but, in general, I prefer dynamic typing. It has a lot of perks that I like, such as being very flexible. If static typing works for you (Haskellers), go do it.

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:00 PM

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what are the downsides of static typing tho? Like to me complexity of types come from the complexity of the code

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:00 PM

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woeful pike most python people end up using type hinting at that point everywhere anyways so...

There's the element of having security in most places but having freedom in some places.

Like we wouldn't be able to build the same system we have in Python if we did it in Rust, it just isn't possible with strict types in specific places.

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also ecosystem generally determines the choice of language used more so the typing system tbh

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:02 PM

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like for example, if you can't represent something like this returned by a function in a type system, that complexity doesn't just go away. You just forget about the contract because you don't have to write it down and it feels simpler until you make a mistake

type Result<T> =
  | { status: "success", data: T }
  | { status: "fail", reason: string }

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and yeah there are benefits to dynamic typing for things like plugin systems from what I remember but that's fairly niche

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:03 PM

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like this?

const { status, reason, data} = response.data;```

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:04 PM

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yeah, but data only exists if status is "success" you have to remember to put an if statement before you access it

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why would you want to remember that detail when you could force the compiler to remember it for you

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:05 PM

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why do you want the data if it failed?

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and errors usually have data

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:05 PM

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and yeah learning how to grasp a type system takes a little bit more time but I don't see the point in picking a language based on how easy it is for a beginner who doesn't know the language to use it

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:05 PM

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proven lantern and errors usually have data

sure, you can represent that too

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that was just an example

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:07 PM

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const { status, reason, data} = response.data;
if (status === "fail"){
  throw new Error("bad");
}
return data.reduce(...);

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I think you're missing the point

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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type checking is the point

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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yes

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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you can only have so many conditions and rules in your head as a developer

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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i dont need that help

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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what

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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you have other more important things to be thinking about than rules of your program

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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write small pure functions as 90% of your code

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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man you would not be fun to be with on a large code base lol

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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then a simple imperative shell that uses those functions

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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ah yes here I was as a FP fanatic writing impure functions

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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also, there's a difference between handling the cases you expect vs being forced to handle all cases that a possible.

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:09 PM

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i know how to work on large codebases and all the problems that come with it

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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I can deal with it too, I just don't want to and shouldn't have to either. Why do the work of a computer

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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also, you're acting like types are a bad thing?

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:10 PM

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dynamic types are great

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i love types

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:11 PM

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don't mind me I'm just using dynamic typing JUSTLOL

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:13 PM

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js is best in za vorld

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:13 PM

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itsu_shock k

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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tbh I generally use JS over type script in alot of personal projects

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and just... avoid using anything JS related lol

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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just use an spec object like i posted

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:14 PM

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h8rs gonna h8 :^)

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:15 PM

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if you're gonna go through the trouble of writing types why not make sure the compiler actually checks them

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same thing with elixir, good spec support but idk why it's not enforced

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:17 PM

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because you're supposed to drink elixir, not code in it

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:^)

orchid fox Dec 18, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Dose top.gg has a package

orchid fox Dec 18, 2021, 11:18 PM

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orchid fox Dose top.gg has a package

Like const something

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:18 PM

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sip

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have you attempted searching?

orchid fox Dec 18, 2021, 11:18 PM

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No

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But I know discord.js and BDFD only

modest maple Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 PM

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might be a good idea to try

orchid fox Dec 18, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Yeah

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 PM

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woeful pike what are the downsides of static typing tho? Like to me complexity of types come...

I outlined some reasons in the first quoted message (<#development message>). The biggest ones in my view are flexibility and correctness. I've already talked about correctness before, like this.

function double<T: Number>(n: T): T {
  return n + n;
}

Of course, I don't write TypeScript, so this implementation could be wrong, but what if doubling that number was actually too large? Or too small (somehow)? Most type checkers will just let this throw at runtime, but hopefully TypeScript catches this at compile time (don't know if this does). We want our types to prove that something is correct, but implementing it explodes in complexity.

For flexibility, think about a string. "Yay!" https://google.com/ /Users/Klay/Downloads/yay.txt cd ... We're all guilty of shoving what could be represented in specific structures instead as strings because they're flexible. I see this especially with classes where a map would've served better. It sounds small, but this is where I think dynamic typing is flexible as it encourages this kind of thing. Rather than representing each of these as String, URL, File, Command, etc. and trying to talk to each other through their rigid interfaces, I can just use a String/Map/etc. and inherit all its properties.

I still like to verify the structure of certain things in dynamic languages, so schemas can be useful (especially since they're just data, you can manipulate the schema dynamically), but these are just part of my decision to use dynamic. If you like your different structures and correctness, go use them. I won't judge you (a bit long, sorry).

orchid fox Dec 18, 2021, 11:20 PM

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sudden geyser I outlined some reasons in the first quoted message (<https://discord.com/channe...

????????

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:21 PM

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orchid fox ????????

obviously that answer was not for you

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Hey guys How do I update my version of Node im using discord.js V13 and im trying to update node but it just gives me errors

sudden geyser Dec 18, 2021, 11:22 PM

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what's the error

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:23 PM

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hidden gorge Hey guys How do I update my version of Node im using discord.js V13 and im tryin...

where are you trying to do it? your pc? vps? replit?

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:23 PM

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quartz kindle where are you trying to do it? your pc? vps? replit?

replit

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error Found incompatible module.
info Visit https://yarnpkg.com/en/docs/cli/add for documentation about this command.
exit status 1```

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is the error

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 PM

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hidden gorge replit

create a new repl project by forking this one https://replit.com/@ConnorBrewster/Nodejs-16

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:24 PM

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ok

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:25 PM

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quartz kindle create a new repl project by forking this one <https://replit.com/@ConnorBrewste...

I forked it

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:25 PM

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hidden gorge I forked it

now try running it, and see which version it shows in the console

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:25 PM

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Ok

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do i put my old code in too?

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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you can after you check the version is working

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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ok

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node -v? right

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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just press the run button

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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v16

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Thanks

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:26 PM

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alright, so now you can bring your old code to this new project

hidden gorge Dec 18, 2021, 11:27 PM

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ok

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Thanks So much @quartz kindle My bot is running now

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Tim saves the day

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:30 PM

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sudden geyser I outlined some reasons in the first quoted message (<https://discord.com/channe...

Right, being able to catch overflow errors in compile time would require using a language with dependent typing, and that gets into the territory of unproductive type systems (for most applications). But I don't see why this drawback means all type systems aren't worth using.

So you're saying that it with static typing, in order to fully benefit from a type system, it would be better to use opaque types (not necessarily classes) over strings that represent incompatible ideas to fully benefit from having static types. And that because that's somewhat tedious to do, it's better to keep it all as a string? I mean I could see the reasoning behind that but to me the incompatible interfaces is the whole point and worth the extra couple seconds of tedious work. You shouldn't be able to pass a Command into a File even though they're both strings.

Like I know I always reach for stuff like python and js when I need to test a quick thing so dynamic typing definitely has its place but yeah. I guess if it works for you it works for you

quartz kindle Dec 18, 2021, 11:34 PM

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most dynamic types are pretty much an abstraction layer on top of static types in one way or another, unless you somehow design a language from ground up that doesnt run on top of C or something

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in that sense, typescript kinda makes you go full circle lul

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:45 PM

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i wonder what types will look like for quantum processor drivers

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qbit type

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a qubit is basically a map with infinite keys right?

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:50 PM

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qubits actually work somewhat similarly to rusts ownership concept

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I haven't read any research on this but just the vague idea seems similar. Seems to me like you can borrow a qubit and pass it around but once you observe it you have to move the value and it collapses to a new type (bit)

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and the underlying qubit is destroyed, you can't do anything with it after observation

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I know next to nothing about quantum physics obviously so that's just based on what I've heard

neat ingot Dec 18, 2021, 11:54 PM

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yo tim. im curious. whats your bot infrastructure look like as a whole? if you dont mind sharing, feel free to tell me to take a hike 😛

proven lantern Dec 18, 2021, 11:55 PM

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here's some q# quantum code

@EntryPoint()
operation MeasureOneQubit() : Result {
    // The following using block creates a fresh qubit and initializes it
    // in the |0〉 state.
    use qubit = Qubit();
    // We apply a Hadamard operation H to the state, thereby preparing the
    // state 1 / sqrt(2) (|0〉 + |1〉).
    H(qubit);
    // Now we measure the qubit in Z-basis.
    let result = M(qubit);
    // As the qubit is now in an eigenstate of the measurement operator,
    // we reset the qubit before releasing it.
    if result == One { X(qubit); }
    // Finally, we return the result of the measurement.
    return result;
    
}```

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simple example is the following program, which allocates one qubit in the |0⟩ state, then applies a Hadamard operation H to it and measures the result in the PauliZ basis.

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i have no idea what this simple example is doing

woeful pike Dec 18, 2021, 11:56 PM

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lol they're using F#'s entrypoint attribute but with a @

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:01 AM

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 const embed = new Discord.MessageEmbed()
  .setColor("RANDOM")
  .setFooter("Vouch Services!")
  .setTimestamp()
  .setThumbnail(message.author.avatarURL)
  .addField("Total vouches: ", `${g1}`)
  .setTitle(`All vouches of ${m.user.username}(${m})`)
  .setDescription(messages)```why is my setThumbnail not working?

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I am running on v12

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 AM

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https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/class/User?scrollTo=avatar

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you need to construct the url

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from the avatar

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 AM

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hmm wait what

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 AM

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message.author.avatar

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:03 AM

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oowhh

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:04 AM

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neat ingot yo tim. im curious. whats your bot infrastructure look like as a whole? if you d...

its pretty simple, a single process running internal shards and an sqlite database

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and https for communicating with my astronomy api

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:04 AM

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proven lantern `message.author.avatar`

it didn't really work tho

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:05 AM

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quartz kindle its pretty simple, a single process running internal shards and an sqlite databa...

thats all? for some reason i envisioned you having some insane setup going on

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:05 AM

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i like to keep things simple

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:05 AM

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like, my nub bot requires docker, nginx, certbot, two node js containers, and a mongodb container

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😄

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:05 AM

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 .setThumbnail(message.author.avatar.avatarURL)```This sent the embed without the thumbnail

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running on v12.5.3

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:05 AM

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yeah im not a fan of splitting it across so many things

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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.setThumbnail(`https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/${userId}/${avatar}.webp?size=80`)

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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my api uses nginx and acme.sh instead of sertbot

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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yea, less things = less potential conflicts

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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and node runs on pm2

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but thats about it

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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thats like forever?

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:06 AM

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yeah i guess

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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so does that host a site for your bot too?

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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i dont have a website for my bot right now

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thinking about making one next year

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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😮

eternal osprey Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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DiscordAPIError: Invalid Form Body
embed.description: This field is required
embeds[0].description: This field is required``` no way

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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after the mega rework im gonna do

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lul

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:07 AM

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i just added a subdomain to my dev domain that ive had for years for my bots

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bot.dekitarpg.com

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(its offline atm)

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:08 AM

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eternal osprey ```js DiscordAPIError: Invalid Form Body embed.description: This field is requir...

is messages empty?

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:09 AM

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thats part of why my setup is so complex, cause i have more than just my bots running, i have a few websites/api endpoints running in various containers, with nginx routing everything internally through a dockerized network

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:10 AM

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cool

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i split my stuff over different vps'es instead lul

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i have 4 vps's rn, one of them is not actually doing anything, i forgot to cancel it

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM

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lol, which company you with for vps?

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM

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experimenting with multiple companies, so each is in a different one

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM

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a few years ago i got recommendations for contabo from someone in here, havent looked back

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM

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google compute engine, galaxygate, kamatera, hetzner

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:11 AM

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o0

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i've not used any of those lol

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they any good?

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:12 AM

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im planning to moving everything into the hetzner vps

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its by far the best one

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(for my needs)

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:13 AM

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their pricing seems fairly similar to contabo

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:13 AM

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oh an i have a couple websites hosted on interserver, a shared hosting thing

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:13 AM

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ever used vercel?

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:13 AM

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nop

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heard about it

spark flint Dec 19, 2021, 12:13 AM

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vercel is good

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apart from daily spam saying my domain is not configured

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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lul

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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oh actually tim you might actually know this. what would an average amount of ram be per 100 servers for a typical discord js bot?

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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spark flint apart from daily spam saying my domain is not configured

dont forget to configure your domain

spark flint Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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https://static.capy.host/xAkW1oWV.png pain

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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neat ingot oh actually tim you might actually know this. what would an average amount of ra...

highly depends on your caching configuration

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:14 AM

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default

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my bots in 740 servers and chewing 3 and a half gig of ram lol

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i tried to drop in your light version, but it threw errors about idk what so i stopped 😄

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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you gotta replace all cache hits with fetches

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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i'd say about 100mb per 1k guilds, plus 100mb for some base stuff idk

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but like

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i've seen 500mb for 100 servers and i've seen 500mb for 10k servers

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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let me check the memory usage of my bot

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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so it varies a lot

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:16 AM

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it's 2k servers with Tims library

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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last time i checked logging into my bot with default djs v13, it went up to about 800mb on ready event

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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hmm

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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at 9k servers

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i didnt let it run, so it doesnt account for message caching, etc

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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yea, im probably gonna just rewrite the bot at some point tbh

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i feel like it might be leaky somewhere

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:17 AM

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im currently still running it on djs-light with djs v12

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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but at boot it uses easily 600+mb every time

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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using about 140mb ram

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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60mb of ram with 1800 servers

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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side note: it wasnt that bad before we updated to djs 13

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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proven lantern 60mb of ram with 1800 servers

nice

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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my bot could go lower, but i cache a lot of stuff from my api as well

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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after 23 days

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:19 AM

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quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:20 AM

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proven lantern

do you use the sharding manager tho?

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or is that internal sharding?

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or no sharding

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:20 AM

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i do sharding things

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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thats no sharding, but its setup to move to internal shard manager when required

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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if you use the sharding manager, then pm2 will only show the ram usage of the manager, not of the whole thing

proven lantern Dec 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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oh

quartz kindle Dec 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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check ram usage with top or htop

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there should be multiple processes for your bot, each with its own ram usage

sudden geyser Dec 19, 2021, 12:21 AM

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But I don't see why this drawback means all type systems aren't worth using.
I don't think all type systems are bad. I think, for many applications, type systems are not as useful as people stress they are.

So you're saying that it with static typing, in order to fully benefit from a type system, it would be better to use opaque types (not necessarily classes) over strings that represent incompatible ideas to fully benefit from having static types.
My only experience with opaque types is Swift, which I never fully understood, so sorry if I misinterpret this. In general, I'm saying that, to fully benefit from a type system, you need "correctness", which you can't get efficiently. With a dynamic type system, you trade correctness for flexibility, and that flexibility usually comes with using simpler types, like strings, maps, arrays, etc. and caring about the structure of something. A Person and User class can have identical structures but different types—whether this is rejected depends on if the type system is nominal or structural. This gets worse as you introduce more classes, as every class in a statically typed language is "special" and can't be used interchangeably or generically without some interface/protocol. If a new version of Person comes out, will you be able to reuse any of the fields and methods that accept the original one? No! When you try using simpler types in a statically typed language, that correctness goes out of the window.

Writing function identity<T>(x: T): T { return x; } is not hard, but as the requirements of types and application increase, what once was tedious has become problematic for some people.

neat ingot Dec 19, 2021, 12:22 AM

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i can make my bot poll netdata for all system information via an internal network 😄