development

[jovial nexus]

Yes the emoji ID

[sudden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/<id>.<extension>?v=1

[earnest phoenix]

I didn't know emojis had ids

[jovial nexus]

yes and how do i get the extension with only the ID

[sudden geyser]

The extension is up to you.

png/jpg/gif

but to pick between a gif and regular you'd probably need to fetch it

In the hash, you can tell if it's prefixed with a_

[jovial nexus]

and how do i fetch it

with only the id

[sudden geyser]

You'll need the guild ID as well. https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/emoji#get-guild-emoji

[digital ibex]

still im having trouble with this, now i've got another issue

[earnest phoenix]

Or if you are using discord.js you can just get the emojis from the guild object

and access the cache of the emojis and use get

[digital ibex]

               const formData = new FormData(form);

               function send(event) {
                  console.log(formData)
                  event.preventDefault();

                  fetch('/guilds/<%- id %>/general', {
                     method: 'post',
                     body: formData
                  }).then((data) => data.json());
               }
``` why is `formData` an empty object?

[sudden geyser]

which has the guild id

[earnest phoenix]

why

[jovial nexus]

Yes but

maybe the bot is not in that guild

[earnest phoenix]

you can just access emojis on the guild object and access its cache and get using the emoji id

[digital ibex]

in the form i am entering data

[earnest phoenix]

Then how do you expect to get the emoji

if you have the id then you can form the url but you wont know if its a gif or not unless there is another way

[jovial nexus]

umh yes

djs has a function for that

but it gives you the id not the url

[boreal iron]

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/class/GuildEmoji

Take a look at the properties

[jovial nexus]

i told that is not in the guild

the bot

[earnest phoenix]

Then what is the point ?

[jovial nexus]

gitting the url of an emoji with the id

[earnest phoenix]

I dont see a way to actually get the emojis extension or not

[boreal iron]

Guess he wanna use emojis from guilds his bot is not in

[jovial nexus]

Its for a command that makes the emojis into images

i know a lot of bots that do that without being in the guild

png/gif they get it right

[earnest phoenix]

I wonder

[boreal iron]

Thought you can only fetch these things if you’re in the guild

[earnest phoenix]

Nah

if you have the id and extension you can easily get the emote

[jovial nexus]

fuck me

i know how

[earnest phoenix]

typically to get the id you'd have to go through the guild

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585885410257928194

what

am i a joke to you

In the browser it plays as a gif without an extension

but if I post it here it dont wanna be a gif

😢

[jovial nexus]

the parseEmoji has a .animated option

[earnest phoenix]

Is what you are trying to do copy the emote and download it to your guild?

If so, use the url they give you to download the emote upload it to the guild and then delete the emote from your system

it wont matter then if you can form a url or not

[jovial nexus]

thids

[digital ibex]

any ideas? #development message

[eternal osprey]

:RainbowHeart:

how do i check the amount of users in djs v12?

[earnest phoenix]

Huh?

Amount of users in what

a guild or all that the client has access to

[eternal osprey]

message.guild.cache.members.size is what i have now

not sure whether that is the right approach

[earnest phoenix]

uh

no

not at all

you have the cache in the wrong spot

<Guild>.members.cache.size

[rose warren]

I'm getting a 403 error when trying to get a user's avatar to put on a canvas, but it works fine if I just want to use it as an embed thumbnail. Any ideas why?

[earnest phoenix]

How are you getting the users avatar?

[rose warren]

I don't think it has anything to do with the code

My commands with canvases and avatars just stopped working and it's across all bots on my VPS

[earnest phoenix]

Mm possibly not, could just be discord being weird. But I don't get why it would return a 403 for that

[tulip ledge]

403 is forbidden access right?

[rose warren]

Yeah

[earnest phoenix]

Indeed

[tulip ledge]

Maybe your authentication is wrong?

[earnest phoenix]

Well if its in a bot I doubt this.

[rose warren]

It's a bot

[earnest phoenix]

It would use the bots token which is valid

unless the token regened but then you wouldn't even be able to run the bot.

[rose warren]

I'm either using displayAvatarURL() method or https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/${trib.id}/${trib.avatar_slug}.png

On a canvas

[earnest phoenix]

Erm

[rose warren]

But if I use displayAvatarURL() in an embed thumbnail it works fine

[earnest phoenix]

what is trib.id

is it the users id?

[rose warren]

user id

[earnest phoenix]

and trib.avatar_slug is the avatars hash?

[rose warren]

yeah

It's not a problem with how the URL is formed

It's a server error somewhere between my VPS and Discord

[earnest phoenix]

Yea, I am just making sure .

[rose warren]

It was working fine until like an hour ago and I hadn't touched the code in weeks

I was wondering if it was a rate limit but it's not

[earnest phoenix]

I don't know then.

I haven't heard of such a thing happening if I am being honest

[short patio]

does anyone know how long a bot has to be offline for before they remove your badge?

[tulip ledge]

My bot has been offline for months and I still have it

i don't think they remove your badge

I hope they don't

[stuck scaffold]

yeah I am having the same problem

[earnest phoenix]

Could be discord.js fucking smth up or discord is being weird today

[opaque seal]

How are you trying to get it?

[opaque seal]

noice

[earnest phoenix]

Well mac there is your answer

discord did fuck up

[rose warren]

Oh thank god

[earnest phoenix]

I dont know why discord does this to us

[tulip ledge]

discord giving is more reasosn to move to guilded

[earnest phoenix]

No matter what discord does im not moving to guildede

[opaque seal]

If anyone sees any issue with this let me know, I still haven't received a response from anyone of the repo https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/3703

[earnest phoenix]

I would make my own platform before that happens

[tulip ledge]

me neither its a joke

[earnest phoenix]

I know

[tulip ledge]

That'd be fun tho

[earnest phoenix]

but I will make a discord clone before I move to guilded

[tulip ledge]

Making ur own platform

[earnest phoenix]

I am already sorta working on that

kekw

Just not yet cause of school

[tulip ledge]

What language(s)/frameworks?

Could u make it with react/electron?

[earnest phoenix]

Well ofc

Discord uses electron for its desktop application

[tulip ledge]

actually

I didn't know that

[earnest phoenix]

Indeed

[tulip ledge]

interesting

even league of legends client uses it

[earnest phoenix]

Which is why can you press CTRL SHIFT I for the dev console and tools

its basically just a browser for a single website

[tulip ledge]

Oh well I'm gonna wake up early tomorrow and make a discord clone too kekw

It'll be fun

[opaque seal]

isn't it like a pwa basically?

[earnest phoenix]

Probably

I dont know a lot of web dev terms

[tulip ledge]

what is pwa?

[earnest phoenix]

I just recently started getting into it heavily

[opaque seal]

Why don't stores like microsoft stores or apple store just accept pwa as apps

[earnest phoenix]

progressive web application

[opaque seal]

pwa are the future imo

[earnest phoenix]

I have no idea what that even means if I am being honest

I need to learn alot of web dev terminology

[tulip ledge]

As a great man once said anything that can be written in js, will eventually be written in js

[quaint wasp]

So ig its just a matter of time untill I will stop needing to walk to the restroom

[tulip ledge]

kekw

[zealous trellis]

can anyone reccomend a serverless database?

[earnest phoenix]

sqlite

file based

[zealous trellis]

will it work for a high-density bot

with a lot of requests

[tulip ledge]

yes it's only less scalable tho

[zealous trellis]

what?

[zealous trellis]

that doesnt make sense

[earnest phoenix]

It will work ig

But its not really meant to handle that kind of stuff

You'd really wanna use something like ig mongodb or a variant of sql, like postgresql, mysql, etc

[zealous trellis]

I really hate the hacky localhost head layer that most DBs have, mongo included

I want a headless serverless DB

no overhead

[quartz kindle]

aka sqlite

[earnest phoenix]

yea

sqlite sucks when using in a larger bot though

[quartz kindle]

depends how large

[earnest phoenix]

Yea

[zealous trellis]

I dont get it, is there NO large scale DB that runs locally 😒

[quartz kindle]

it should be able to handle 50k+

[earnest phoenix]

you can run pg locally ig

[zealous trellis]

pg?

postgre?

[earnest phoenix]

postgres

[quartz kindle]

most dbs can be run locally

[zealous trellis]

ok.

[earnest phoenix]

typically you'd run it on the server your bot is hosting on

[zealous trellis]

yes, but you must connect to them eitherway

[earnest phoenix]

and connect to it

[quartz kindle]

yes

[zealous trellis]

that just looks so messy and hacky

[earnest phoenix]

Not really

[zealous trellis]

seems like a load of shit to me

[quartz kindle]

because thats how you make it handle that much concurrency

[zealous trellis]

why would you need a server layer

only to connect to it locally

its useless overhead

even if its fast

its still overhead

[earnest phoenix]

?

[quartz kindle]

yes, but its easier than a hacky ipc solution

besides, they can run on unix sockets

which is faster than tcp

[zealous trellis]

so should I use PostgreSQL or SQLite

[earnest phoenix]

Up to you really

whatever your needs are

[zealous trellis]

-.-

Im horrible at choices

[quartz kindle]

sqlite is embedded inside your process, it lives with it. which makes it extremely fast and low overhead, but its limited to your process, therefore multi processing it is not as easy

the rest lives in a separate process, which is why it needs some form of communication

if your app runs as a single process, go for sqlite

[zealous trellis]

isnt that what threads are for?

[quartz kindle]

not exactly, threads require some sort of shared context to be good

[zealous trellis]

I thought the point of DBs is that you can handle more than 1 request at the same time

up to hundreds or thousands at the same time

[quartz kindle]

also depends which language you're running, as threading is very different from language to language

most server dbs are multi-threaded by default

they are focused on "accepting multiple clients" rather than processing multiple requests

because dealing with clients and connections is more expensive than actually executing queries

[zealous trellis]

I still dont get the difference

both PG and SQLite are multithreaded

and can take more than 1 request at once

what makes a local DB worse

like

whats the difference

[quartz kindle]

sqlite is not multi threaded by default

it lives inside your process, so you can make it multi threaded if you make a multi threaded process

as long as you respect its limits

[zealous trellis]

.-.

RIP

Guess Im using PG

my nodejs instance is single threaded

atleast rn

[quartz kindle]

then use sqlite

[zealous trellis]

what..

the hell

Im so fucking confused

[quartz kindle]

if you have a single process, use sqlite

[zealous trellis]

and then what happens if someone executes commands at the same time .-.

am I just screwed?

[quartz kindle]

your process executes them sequentially

[zealous trellis]

so

I want to make a command thatd update the DB

so if I use SQLite

itll just... work?

even if people are using it at the same time

[quartz kindle]

in most use cases yes

[zealous trellis]

but I want it to work for all use cases

thats what Im asking

[quartz kindle]

it covers the lack of threading with the speed advantage of having no network overhead

[zealous trellis]

because Im planning on scaling this bot up quite a lot

[quartz kindle]

therefore most queries will be faster than a server db query because of network overhead

sqlite has an option called "WAL mode"

[zealous trellis]

what does that do?

[quartz kindle]

and also an option called "synchronous"

which you can disable

in wal mode, database writes are writted to an in-memory file first

and only written to disk in batches

meaning writes are as fast as your ram

[tulip ledge]

Question is cassandra free?

[zealous trellis]

so is that more fool-proof then just good ol' original settings? atleast for very large scale projects?

[quartz kindle]

and with synchronous disabled, sqlite will give the data to the operating system, and let the operating system write it, therefore imediately unblocking your process

WAL mode + synchronous disabled makes sqlite stupid fast

[zealous trellis]

but again, is that viable for large scale projects

[quartz kindle]

the only limits are HEAVY write usage

for example writing several megabytes of data per second

[zealous trellis]

Im talking thousands, maybe tens/hundreds of thousands of requests

can it handle that?

[zealous trellis]

my host system is incredibly fast, can write 3.5 gigabytes in 1 second

its a set of high speed SSDs

[quartz kindle]

it can handle thousands per second

it depends on the efficiency of your queries

[zealous trellis]

alrighty, I guess Ill use SQLite

now I gotta figure out how to change those settings

[quartz kindle]

how much will you write compared to read?

[zealous trellis]

probably more writing then reading

reading will be cached anyways

and only updated after some time

or enough changes

[tulip ledge]

Also sqlite doesn't support alot of datatypes

[quartz kindle]

well, you will have to test your use case

[zealous trellis]

wdym?

all Im really using are strings, ints and booleans

[quartz kindle]

but if you run a single process, there is really no advantage on running a server db

[tulip ledge]

SQLite only supports: Blob, integer null text and real

[zealous trellis]

what..

[quartz kindle]

if you're gonna scale into the thousands like you say, that implies scaling your process to multiple processes as well

[tulip ledge]

If you ever need to use a different datatype you can't use it is what I'm saying

[quartz kindle]

once you get to that point, a server db is better

[zealous trellis]

whats a "real"...

[tulip ledge]

I moved from sqlite to mysql btw

[quartz kindle]

a real is basically a float/double

[tulip ledge]

it's a "real" number

[zealous trellis]

text is simple enough, imfact I can write booleans and floats as text if needed

oh, reals can replace floats then

ok

thats fine

I only need those 3 types

[quartz kindle]

NULL. The value is a NULL value.
INTEGER. The value is a signed integer, stored in 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, or 8 bytes depending on the magnitude of the value.
REAL. The value is a floating point value, stored as an 8-byte IEEE floating point number.
TEXT. The value is a text string, stored using the database encoding (UTF-8, UTF-16BE or UTF-16LE).
BLOB. The value is a blob of data, stored exactly as it was input.

[zealous trellis]

can I write to it like a key/value system, similar to JSON?

so like, I can store an array of values for a player ID?

[tulip ledge]

Also once your database grows and becomes rlly large sqlite will use alot of memory

[quartz kindle]

you will have to serialize it

[tulip ledge]

That's why I switched from sqlite ot mysql

[quartz kindle]

actually, sqlite does include a json extension

[zealous trellis]

whats a database that does support arrays / key-value systems

itd really help to easily read and write values

and organize them in a way thats simple to understand

[quartz kindle]

mongo

lol

[zealous trellis]

.-.

back to server db

[quartz kindle]

postgres also supports them

sqlite supports json via extensions

https://www.sqlite.org/json1.html

[tulip ledge]

# Disadvantages of SQLite:

- Lacks user management and security features
- Not easily scalable
- Is not suitable for big databases
- Cannot be customized

[zealous trellis]

oml why does there have to be a million different DBs

I just wanna store damn data from my damn discord bot thatll scale upward for really large bots

.-.

[tulip ledge]

Any database supports key value as long as you sterialize the value

If you want scalability go with server based ones

sqlite doesn't scale well

[zealous trellis]

what do already large scale bots use

like mee6 and dyno

[quartz kindle]

likely mongo or posgres

and they have their db in a separate vps

[tulip ledge]

I use mysql

[boreal iron]

If you don’t necessarily need to store plain array and can live with to serialize things SQL is a pretty good choice and scalable as well

[zealous trellis]

isnt postgre also serverless like sqlite

[quartz kindle]

no

[zealous trellis]

;(

ffs

[tulip ledge]

I'm pretty sure github uses mysql no?

[zealous trellis]

guess everythings falling back to mongo and postgre

pg might be the easiest to go along with

idk

[quartz kindle]

pg is not easy

pg is like the linux of databases

[zealous trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-nooo-frustrated-tantrums-disappointed-gif-16796069

[quartz kindle]

mysql is like microsoft

[tulip ledge]

pg is hard but powerfull

[zealous trellis]

so what do you reccomend for me

[quartz kindle]

another option is redis lol

[zealous trellis]

between mongo, pg and mysql

which one would be best for me

simple, fast, scalable

[quartz kindle]

you cant have all 3

lmao

[tulip ledge]

isnt redis used for caching?

[boreal iron]

If you wanna use MySQL then choose MariaDB

[quartz kindle]

can be used as a db too

[tulip ledge]

why

I just use MySQL

plain old mysql

[zealous trellis]

please dont give me even more choices to cry over

;-;

[boreal iron]

What a question…
Because MariaDB is maintained by its owner and not thrown away like Oracle does

[zealous trellis]

fuck it

mongodb

sigh

[quartz kindle]

how big is your bot rn?

[tulip ledge]

The more u know

[tulip ledge]

I think the better question is how much data do you need to store

[zealous trellis]

Its not large server-wise, but its a private utility bot that stores a LOT of data, and is updated / read from constantly

[boreal iron]

Not really as most databases can handle big data

[quartz kindle]

how much data is not an issue

how fast the writes are is a bigger issue

[tulip ledge]

@boreal iron Is it easy to convert from mysql to mariadb?

[quartz kindle]

they are like 99% api compatible

[boreal iron]

It actually is yes

Just google about the advantages of MariaDB compared to MySQL and how Oracle is going to ruin anything they own

[quartz kindle]

well i can tell you my experience, although my use case is different from yours

i have tried mysql, mongo, redis, postgres and sqlite

[tulip ledge]

I would say don't go with sqlite if you want scalability

[quartz kindle]

and sqlite was by far the best one for my use case

my bot is at about 9.5k guilds

holds about 30k rows of data in the db

queries take 0.1ms on average and uses almost no memory

[boreal iron]

I’m storing a hash table with currently 799GB of size with exactly 4 billion rows.
It’s been queried ~ 1000 times per minute with a average response rate of about < 20 ms

I can’t complain unless your Database is not optimized for what you wanna do

[zealous trellis]

honestly everything I can find online keeps going back to Postgre and Mongoose/MongoDB

so I dont really know if I can choose anymore

I might just get mongoose and got over myself

[tulip ledge]

I mean you could always go to scylla

[quartz kindle]

if your data is heavily json-style including nesting and such, mongo would be a better fit

[tulip ledge]

[quartz kindle]

although pg supports json, its natively a table-based system, like all other sql dbs

[tulip ledge]

I mean I use mysql which is also table based but I use keyv so it's key value like json

[zealous trellis]

yeah, thats probably the best choice, I really dont like the messy localhost server thing, but at this point Id rather get started working on it, and get it functional before the end of the night, rather than waste 4 hours finding which one I want to USE

[quartz kindle]

does mongo support domain sockets?

[zealous trellis]

no clue

[boreal iron]

At the end you can switch anyways if you don’t like your choice

[quartz kindle]

it does

[zealous trellis]

what is a domain socket useful for anyhow?

[tulip ledge]

switching isn't always easy

[zealous trellis]

After storing the data, there isnt really an easy way of going back

[boreal iron]

Even if that might result in manually writing scripts to transfer your data regarding compatibility

[zealous trellis]

I have a chance right now to rewrite my entire bot for support with DJS 13

so Im taking this chance to restart

use an actual DB

[tulip ledge]

Exactly what I did yesterday

[tulip ledge]

wdym no way of going back?

[quartz kindle]

unix domain sockets are a communication method that uses a block of memory to share messages between processes, instead of sending the messages via the network drivers

[zealous trellis]

my servers are logging specific data that is really quite anoyying to write again

and converting databases would cause all kinds of drama

[tulip ledge]

If you need to you can just read all data from one database and write a script to write it in the new one

[boreal iron]

Yeah understandable but still possible

[tulip ledge]

didn't discord go from mongo to cassandra?

[quartz kindle]

didnt they always use cassandra?

[tulip ledge]

I thought they used mongo in the beginning

Apparently they use scylla not cassandra

[modest maple]

Err yes and no

[tulip ledge]

but isn't scylla built on cassandra?

[modest maple]

Discord went from a fork of mongo to scylla

[tulip ledge]

like with API

[modest maple]

and no scylla is not built on cassandra

[tulip ledge]

Well idk how to explain

[modest maple]

scylla is a re-write of cassandra in cpp using async IO

[zealous trellis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/ewz9rf/discords_switch_from_cassandra/

[tulip ledge]

that's what I meant

[zealous trellis]

never heard of em using mongo

only cassandra

and then switching to scylia

[modest maple]

mongo was a long time ago

[tulip ledge]

The original version of Discord was built in just under two months in early 2015. Arguably, one of the best databases for iterating quickly is MongoDB. Everything on Discord was stored in a single MongoDB replica set and this was intentional, but we also planned everything for easy migration to a new database (we knew we were not going to use MongoDB sharding because it is complicated to use and not known for stability). This is actually part of our company culture: build quickly to prove out a product feature, but always with a path to a more robust solution.

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[tulip ledge]

kekw same thing

[modest maple]

I mean hey, they used mongo's best feature, fast developing

unfortunately they got hit with mongo's worst feature

scaling

or lack there of

[tulip ledge]

That's the exact same thing with sqlite

fast developing

lack of scaling

[modest maple]

well yes and no

[tulip ledge]

u like ur yes and nos don't u

[zealous trellis]

is discord still using scylia right now?

[boreal iron]

I would probably stick to mongodb regarding the stuff you wanna store.
You said u need to rewrite the whole bot for djs v13 anyway

[tulip ledge]

Yes

[modest maple]

Sqlite un-ironically is more powerful than most DBs around

[tulip ledge]

explain.

[boreal iron]

You will have to rewrite it for djs v14 again anyways

[modest maple]

scylla* and yes

[zealous trellis]

hmm

so is scylia viable

for what Im doing

[tulip ledge]

If ur willing to pay

alot

[quartz kindle]

not really

[zealous trellis]

I cant find a nodejs package for it

[modest maple]

not really

scylla is going to cause you more pain than good really

[zealous trellis]

proprietary bullshit

typical

[modest maple]

scylla isnt proprietary

but sure

[zealous trellis]

thats what I said..

[tulip ledge]

15/month

[zealous trellis]

:3

[quartz kindle]

these databases like scylla and cassandra are focused on extreme scalability, meaning they are only good if you are actually sharding and replicating your database across multiple machines

[zealous trellis]

ah now you edit

XD

[modest maple]

sorry i meant isnt*

[zealous trellis]

hmm

was just curious

anywho, Ima go use mongodb

[modest maple]

They're also highly specialised at target retrieval, they are far more optimised for writes than reads

[tulip ledge]

mongo should be fine

[boreal iron]

Amen

[tulip ledge]

if you do become as big as mee6 and shit u could always change

[tulip ledge]

That's why discord used it

[boreal iron]

As I said you will have to rewrite anything on djs v14 anyways and will then know if your choice was a success or not

[zealous trellis]

its more that Im just logging indefinitely large amounts of data back and fourth on a few servers

its more for a web project then anything

so its less scalable for guilds

[quartz kindle]

there isnt a single solution that can handle all scenarios, you will always need to migrate at some point

[tulip ledge]

I still don't get what u mean with "logging indefinitely large amounts of data"

[modest maple]

• Memory tables
• Shared process tables / databases
• Temporary file databases
• Standard file databases
• Dynamically loadable extensions
• Adaptable query handling
• Deployed on almost every system around
• Fully embedable

[zealous trellis]

I suppose it doesnt matter, at this point I should just try a DB and see if it works

[tulip ledge]

And boy if a db that is best in all fields ever comes into existense the developer will be the new elon musk

[tulip ledge]

Why do u know so much about this stuff?

[modest maple]

Man idk, I follow an awful lot of database and systems designs cuz work

[quartz kindle]

its technically and physically impossible, there are always tradeoffs

[zealous trellis]

not sure that metaphor is relevant anymore lol, theres already small indie rocket science companies doing shit way more advanced then space x

[quartz kindle]

more performance = more memory/storage requirement

more efficiency = less performance

[tulip ledge]

with the new elon musk I meant richest man alive

[modest maple]

tbf there is a reason why SQL has existed for so long

and why even the popular noSQL databases follow some of the relational handling

[zealous trellis]

out of curiosity, what about composite databases

[modest maple]

relationships are very common, sql databases are very efficient at storing this data, and overall very very performant

[zealous trellis]

like.... using multiple types in the same process for different uses

[tulip ledge]

I'm curious now, I have no clue what composite databases are

[zealous trellis]

#development message

[quartz kindle]

sure, why not

[zealous trellis]

hmm

that gives me ideas

[quartz kindle]

people often use redis in combination with another db

[zealous trellis]

thanks for all the help, Ill try some things out and come back if I have any other issues

[modest maple]

people often use redis in places they just dont need

[quartz kindle]

also that

[tulip ledge]

don't they use redis for caching tho?

[modest maple]

yes and no

[tulip ledge]

boy you are on fire with your yesses and nos

[quartz kindle]

xD

[modest maple]

I mean welcome to database design lol

[earnest phoenix]

are we still talking about databases

[modest maple]

People use it for caching both when they should and when they shouldnt

[earnest phoenix]

its been like an hour and a half

wew

[modest maple]

also use it for locks

[earnest phoenix]

also sup Chillfish

[modest maple]

also use it for buffer streams and ipc

[tulip ledge]

yeah this is getting way too technical for me I'm just a 15 year old who knows how to code in js/ts

[boreal iron]

[modest maple]

In the end, pick a db out of Sqlite, Mongo, Postgres and it'll probably do you really

[tulip ledge]

What about mysql?

[zealous trellis]

Im a 16 year old who knows how to code in 7 different languages yet I CANT FUCKING UNDERSTAND DATABASES WHAT THE HELL

[boreal iron]

lol

[tulip ledge]

Well I know more languages too but I'm not really proficient in most

[modest maple]

It exists, generally not a massive reason to use it over postgres anymore. Postgres just offers more without the oracle strings

[tulip ledge]

I just love javascript and typescript and don't enjoy any other languages

[boreal iron]

As like anyone suggested at least once use mongo

[zealous trellis]

Id like to think Im proficient enough to transpile / write the same simple programs in 5-6 of my known languages and all of them function quite similarly or the same
I know some languages that just simply cant be applied in ways others can, such as Lua

[quartz kindle]

i dont like how mongo is designed to eat your ram lel

[modest maple]

not even that, just the fact that it doesnt release it unless you restart, but doesnt use it even if it does have it

[tulip ledge]

Oh you mean simple programs?

[boreal iron]

lol is having not enough RAM still an issue in 2021?

[quartz kindle]

ye

[modest maple]

50GB mongo db eating 5GB of ram

[quartz kindle]

my vps has 1gb ram thank you very much

[tulip ledge]

Then sure js, (ts if u count it), python, java, c++, c# that's 6

[boreal iron]

lmao

[zealous trellis]

If I can write the exact same math in all 6 languages, that means I should be able to make basically any program in all 6, and all of them do the same thing, maybe at different performance rates, but atleast the same program

[earnest phoenix]

wait you get 1gb?

[tulip ledge]

@modest maple U think I should use a different database then?

[earnest phoenix]

[quartz kindle]

wut

[modest maple]

what ever works for you really

realistically speaking

you guys are never going to push any of the dbs to their limits

or atleast you shouldnt be

if you are, something has gone wrong

[tulip ledge]

idk I was using sqlite but then when rewriting to work with djs 13 I swapped to mysql for scalability

[modest maple]

no massive point in changing then

[quartz kindle]

sqlite is working on wal2 mode

[tulip ledge]

well my friend told me it's the smartest

[modest maple]

you're friend is naive but doesnt matter now

[quartz kindle]

you are friend

:^)

[tulip ledge]

I am friend

So you're saying it's fine that I'm using mysql?

[modest maple]

mysql was the 'smartest' back in like, 2000

[modest maple]

meh, yeah

[tulip ledge]

Before I was bron

[zealous trellis]

I broke LowDB and JSON on a high speed network VPS with a powerful dedicated CPU and a lot of RAM

[tulip ledge]

Alright that doesn't rlly convince me

I still haven't produced my bot

I can still switch

So if I should tell me now pls

[modest maple]

Well im not surprised, because they're not really databases

[zealous trellis]

thats the whole reason I came here looking for a decent DB

[tulip ledge]

And now I need to find a decent DB too

Cuz this guy gave me doubts

[zealous trellis]

JSON only works for like a solo bot for like 1 or 2 servers

[tulip ledge]

[zealous trellis]

:3

[quartz kindle]

i used json until 2500 servers

[modest maple]

We un-ironically use JSON for metadata in our WORM indexes lol

[zealous trellis]

You probably had a better setup than I did

or Im throwing way too much overhead into mine

that 1 server could break it

[tulip ledge]

What database do you think I should swap to?

[boreal iron]

That sounds like ur budget is an issue not the database

[modest maple]

man if you're already using mysql literally no reason to swap unless you're doing something odd that start exposing the mysql wtf moments

[quartz kindle]

just make sure you have an efficient design, there are many tricks that can massively reduce the strain on your database

[modest maple]

if you really want to switch just use mariadb which is a drop in replacement

but otherwise meh

[tulip ledge]

oh god mysql wtf moments?

[boreal iron]

Already suggested him to use mariadb

[tulip ledge]

i should've looked more into this before swapping

[modest maple]

MySQL and unicode

[boreal iron]

But he’s resisting

[zealous trellis]

btw what were those settings tricks you mentioned about SQLite earlier? ones that speed it up alot?

Im going to make a composite DB between Mongo and SQLite

[tulip ledge]

oh yeah I've noticed that

[earnest phoenix]

remember when json was a db

[quartz kindle]

wal mode and synchronous off

[zealous trellis]

ty

[tulip ledge]

wdym resisting?

[zealous trellis]

how do you enable those XD

[tulip ledge]

i even asked if it was hard to switch

[zealous trellis]

is there a config file?

[tulip ledge]

I'm rlly considering

[quartz kindle]

you use pragma queries

[earnest phoenix]

json is a db change my mind

[modest maple]

also changing the index so it's not using a B-Tree

[earnest phoenix]

wrong mention

meant to mention tim

ffs

[zealous trellis]

pragma wut

[tulip ledge]

Well changing to mariadb it is then

[earnest phoenix]

isn't pragma where you use placeholders

like ?

[zealous trellis]

well Im confused already XD

[modest maple]

the fact that this project exists and gets sponsored honestly sums up the JS ecosystem in a nutshell

[earnest phoenix]

i told ya

json is a db

[zealous trellis]

I used that previously

thats the one I broke with 2 servers
and a fuckton of requests

[modest maple]

Why do you think I found it out

[tulip ledge]

it's like json config store

which I used to use

[zealous trellis]

I still use json for single access config

like on bot startup

super easy to access

store my tokens n shit

[tulip ledge]

yeah ofcourse

Also how hard is it to go from mysql to maria?

[modest maple]

literally a drop in replacement. So none

[tulip ledge]

is it just some command line stuff or will I have to redo queries and stuff

[earnest phoenix]

imagine using json

[modest maple]

literally a drop in replacement. So none

[earnest phoenix]

over yaml

[zealous trellis]

like, having this, and just being able to go config.bot.token is so sexy its impossible to give up.

[tulip ledge]

and does keyv still work with it?

[earnest phoenix]

yaml is better

ew

[zealous trellis]

yaml isnt parseable by default iirc

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest phoenix]

No

[zealous trellis]

and yaml is more anoyying

its newline and space delimited

[earnest phoenix]

how is yaml annoying

[zealous trellis]

euw

[earnest phoenix]

what

[zealous trellis]

[earnest phoenix]

you just dont know the power of yaml

so sad

[tulip ledge]

I remember the good old days before I learn to code when I felt like a dev configuring yaml files from minecraft plugins

[earnest phoenix]

lmao

yaml is so good for config files

[zealous trellis]

Bruh I wasted 2 months converting 8000 indices of data written in YAML for an ancient game.... it was a major hemroid of a pain trying to use

[earnest phoenix]

json is just messy and ugly

[zealous trellis]

wound up just JSON-ifying everything

worked perfectly

[earnest phoenix]

There are packages for accessing yaml data

[modest maple]

laughs in pr

[earnest phoenix]

take for example dahlia

[quartz kindle]

is that also a pragma?

i dont remember that one

[earnest phoenix]

its really good at parsing yaml

[zealous trellis]

jeesus

[modest maple]

ngl I cannot remember

[tulip ledge]

is dahlia a js library?

cuz tbh I prefer yaml over json

[earnest phoenix]

ye

it has ts support as well tho

[tulip ledge]

perfect

u mean like

typing?

like with json

[zealous trellis]

honestly yaml is simple enough, I could parse it myself, but it just seems like such an unstable format, nothings delimited, and stuff like commas and quotations can be optional, which is weird asf

[earnest phoenix]

it can support typescript types

so you can easily integrate it with ts

[zealous trellis]

JSON is more strict but allows more flexiblity in the messiness of its output

[tulip ledge]

so for ts you're better of using yaml then?

[zealous trellis]

no

jSON

[earnest phoenix]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/@sach1/dahlia It doesn't have any readme docs but its straight forward to use

[zealous trellis]

theres no point wasting time setting up yaml

.-.

[quartz kindle]

hmm i cant find anything on disabling btrees for indexes

[earnest phoenix]

Yaml takes no time at all to setup

what are you on about

I can setup a yaml config in 5s

[zealous trellis]

JSON is builtin to web and node JS

:l

[earnest phoenix]

Okay

but json is better used for output

not config

[zealous trellis]

no its not

its terrible as a DB

[modest maple]

ill find it tomorrow maybe, it was a fairly fiddly thing

[earnest phoenix]

What

[zealous trellis]

its perfect for config

are you slow

[earnest phoenix]

Who the hell uses json as a db

[zealous trellis]

youre saying to use it for output data .-.

[earnest phoenix]

what do you output in an api that returns data

its a json response typically

[zealous trellis]

you shouldnt be writing to JSON at all unless youre using single access batch writes

as its usually used for config anyways

[earnest phoenix]

No one is talking about using it as a db

[zealous trellis]

no shit, its easy to parse REST data in JSON, and basically every browser / web JS engine supports it

yet another reason not to use YAML actually

[earnest phoenix]

You...

[zealous trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-macaulay-culkin-kevin-gun-serious-gif-3581186

[earnest phoenix]

I don't get how you completely misread what I said

JSON is better used for outputting data since thats what its best for, yaml is excellent for config files

which is why its used as such in a lot of things

[zealous trellis]

yaml isnt better for config

like

that makes zero sense

[earnest phoenix]

How does that make 0 sense

thats legit what it is primarily used for

[tulip ledge]

this conversation is 2 py and js native people arguing about python and javascript

[quartz kindle]

yaml is for python users

[tulip ledge]

and java

[quartz kindle]

stupid indendations

[zealous trellis]

no

stop

evil

dont corrupt java with yaml

disgusting

[tulip ledge]

how do u mak config files in java then?

[quartz kindle]

you mean, dont corrupt yaml with java?

[zealous trellis]

Json...

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[tulip ledge]

ok well stupid question

I grew up configuring yaml files from minecraft plugins

if I think about java I think about yaml

[zealous trellis]

minecraft writes everything in JSON by default for all its config

;3

even modules

like resourcepacks and mods

mostly json

[tulip ledge]

Yes but as I said

Minecraft plugins

not minecraft

[zealous trellis]

.-.

[tulip ledge]

minecraft plugins is third party

[zealous trellis]

[tulip ledge]

well I'm heading to bed

[zealous trellis]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-jackson-sleep-go-to-sleep-go-the-fuck-to-sleep-gif-5442067

its healthy

[hoary pewter]

I can't

[zealous trellis]

Take sleepin pills

[hoary pewter]

Don't have

[zealous trellis]

oh wells

cant help ya there

[hoary pewter]

Any tutorial?

[earnest phoenix]

wikihow has a good tutorial

[wheat mesa]

Step 1: Just fall asleep

[boreal iron]

pro tip

[earnest phoenix]

Step2 take pills (according to wikihow)

[boreal iron]

Lmao

[boreal iron]

Read somewhere those small blue ones with a v for very good sleeping are good

[tulip ledge]

And the ones with XTC on are also good

[zealous trellis]

Unisom

I take em

work pretty well

or melatonin

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleepy-haggard-gif-5522505

[boreal iron]

Did u finally choose a db?

Had to leave the convo at some point

[split hazel]

amogusdb

[boreal iron]

Never heard of that one lol

Must be some after 2000 modern shit

[earnest phoenix]

oh really

[rose warren]

@earnest phoenix

I literally pushed my fix to git and then saw their announcement

[earnest phoenix]

lmaooo

[rose warren]

So I pushed a fix to a problem that was no longer there

[earnest phoenix]

kekw

seems legit

[silent whale]

thank you sir

[boreal iron]

At least you tried

[earnest phoenix]

amogusdb really popular

its what the cool kids use

[boreal iron]

Stop it
Got it meanwhile after googling it

[earnest phoenix]

Lmao

[boreal iron]

[earnest phoenix]

get trolled

[boreal iron]

I’m literally too old for this slang shit

[earnest phoenix]

lmao

sorryy

[boreal iron]

[earnest phoenix]

Candice is also a good db

[zealous trellis]

this is why new devs are given a bad rep

:L

[earnest phoenix]

Im not a new dev though

so get rekted

[zealous trellis]

how old are you

you sound like gen z

[unborn fiber]

E

[earnest phoenix]

Its called trolling

and joking around

stop being so serious its annoying

[unborn fiber]

Hmm

[boreal iron]

The revenge will happen once a beautiful day I’m old enough to shit into my pants and younger people like you need to deal with it

[earnest phoenix]

lmao

dw gramps I will take care of ya

[boreal iron]

Again this slang…

Alright bruh

that seems to be ooy

Wut… damn auto correct

[earnest phoenix]

lol

[zealous trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

@quartz kindle I thought mongodb ran on the device... what is this digital hosting BS

[pale vessel]

Download the community version

You can self host it

[wheat mesa]

Pretty sure there's a local version is there not?

[zealous trellis]

where?

[wheat mesa]

^

[earnest phoenix]

Community version is self hosted

[zealous trellis]

where do I get it

[boreal iron]

Well I’m in business for ~ 14 y now…
I’m just not really into this young people slang but well aware of sarcasm lmao
Nothing to worry if he’s trolling

[pale vessel]

https://www.mongodb.com/try/download/community

[earnest phoenix]

in the community version tab

[boreal iron]

That’s what we do 25/7 in here

omg why

*24/7

[earnest phoenix]

FakE has changed the amount of hours are in a day

all hail FakE

[boreal iron]

I will throw that phone away once a day

[earnest phoenix]

lol

[boreal iron]

I wish the day would have a few hours more, 24 isn’t enough

[earnest phoenix]

Ikr

24 more like 42/7

I'd love there to be 42 hours a day

more time i get to sleep

[wheat mesa]

discord did an oopsies

[zealous trellis]

Im trying to save the guild name and ID, is this the valid way to do it in discordjs v13 (via slash commands)

            guildName: interaction.message.guild.name,
            guildID: interaction.message.guild.id

[boreal iron]

Yeah you may wanna check it the guild is available before for reasons

[zealous trellis]

idc about the checks, I can do that later

I just want to know if thats the valid way to select the name and id

:3

[boreal iron]

Yeah it is

Err whoops nope it isn’t

[zealous trellis]

oh

wait

[boreal iron]

Without the message property

[zealous trellis]

I could just use interaction.guild and interaction.guildid

just found it in the docs

:3

im slow

[boreal iron]

Yeah didn’t see the message property on the first look too

What I wanted to say was it might be a good idea to check if(interaction.guild.available) before accessing its properties at least once

In your event listener

[zealous trellis]

why is interaction.reply() not in the docs

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/class/Interaction?scrollTo=user

I wanted to see the docs for the sent message thing again

but cant find it .-.

->-

nvm

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/typedef/BaseMessageOptions

guess it doesnt include extended methods

sucks

[pale vessel]

It does

You were looking at base interaction

[boreal iron]

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/main/stable/class/CommandInteraction

[earnest phoenix]

available is an actual prop on guild?

[rose warren]

Yes

[earnest phoenix]

Since when

[rose warren]

You should always check if the guild is available on guildCreate and guildDelete events before doing anything

[earnest phoenix]

this would of made life so much easier

[rose warren]

Since forever

[earnest phoenix]

Bruh

I swear these things have never been a thing

like client being on pretty much everything

[rose warren]

I know guild.available was a thing since djs v11 at least

[earnest phoenix]

I guess I completely missed it

But why are people always doing if(!guild) or smth

if available exists

[rose warren]

It depends what you're using it for

But on the guildCreate and guildDelete events, always do

if(!guild.available) return

Before doing anything else

[boreal iron]

Didn’t know it was available before, too
Just saw it now with the v13 updated docs

[rose warren]

Otherwise it crashes your bot

[boreal iron]

And yes it makes a lot of things easier

[rose warren]

My bot got stuck in an error loop because of an unavailable guild while I was asleep one night and I woke up to a 72h identification rate-limit

[earnest phoenix]

lmfao

[boreal iron]

Checking it once in your event listener before working with guild is a lot of checks less you have to do

[earnest phoenix]

that had to suck

[rose warren]

Yeah I just added that line and no more problems

[boreal iron]

That’s ur fault not monitoring ur system 24/7 and be awake

[rose warren]

Like when Discord fucks up their CDN

And I eat cold dinner at midnight because I was fixing a problem that was already fixed by the time I pushed to git

[boreal iron]

lol another wasted day yikes

Happens from time to time

[rose warren]

Nah just an evening

[boreal iron]

I mean you could pay the Indian tech support to call you if something goes wrong.
Heard those guys are premium

[rose warren]

I should set up Sentry

[boreal iron]

I’m using SMS io to receive messages if any outtake happens

I mean I integrated the API into my own monitoring systems

Is more reliable than push notifications relying on the mobile internet

[zealous trellis]

interesting, you can send more than 1 sticker?

hmm

[boreal iron]

But I shouldn’t continue as younger people will wonder what a SMS is.
Imagine I would talk about other reliable services I’m still using like a FAX.

Time has changed so fast

[split hazel]

sms without a plan more like scam

[rose warren]

In France, if you want to organise a last-minute protest or demonstration, you have to send a fax to the prefecture... What is this? 1990?

[boreal iron]

lol

Dunno why I still like all the old services but they somehow work, most of the times

So many companies still rely on old technology as well as our government systems

It sometimes feels like a 3rd world country regarding technology but better than being watched and monitored like in China for example

[quartz kindle]

those systems have been setup by people who are either dead, were fired long ago, or disappeared somewhere, therefore all these companies have this "if it works, dont touch it" mindset and everyone is afraid of changing anything because there is nobody left to fix it

:^)

[boreal iron]

Yeah never change a running system, Sir

[lyric mountain]

You're not old enough if you didn't take school exams that had that alcohol stench

[boreal iron]

lmao

Can’t remember probably because I was drunk

[lyric mountain]

Idk how they're called in English tho

It was basically an alcohol press

But man did it smell good

Not better than gasoline tho

[boreal iron]

Alright I’m done for today
Need to stand up in 2,5 hours, yaaay

[lyric mountain]

Tf

[boreal iron]

Life you know…

[zealous trellis]

        mongoose.connect('mongodb://localhost/data', { useNewUrlParser: true, useUnifiedTopology: true });
        if (Player.exists({ id: interaction.user.id })) {
            const logEmbed = new MessageEmbed()
                .setTitle('Updated Player Info');
                Player.updateOne({ id: interaction.user.id }, {
                    name: interaction.user.name,
                    avatar: interaction.user.avatar,
                    lastTime: interaction.createdAt
                }).then(interaction.reply({embeds: [logEmbed], ephemeral: true }))
                .catch(e => console.log(`(use.js) Updater Error: ${e}`));
        } else {
            const logEmbed = new MessageEmbed()
                .setTitle('Added Player Info');
            const newLog = new Player({
                _id: mongoose.Types.ObjectId(),
                id: interaction.user.id,
                name: interaction.user.name,
                avatar: interaction.user.avatar,
                addedTime: interaction.createdAt,
                lastTime: interaction.createdAt,
                rank: 0
            });
            newLog.save()
                .then(interaction.reply({embeds: [logEmbed], ephemeral: true }))
                .catch(e => console.log(`(use.js) Setter Error: ${e}`));
        }

Sorry to post such large code, but Im wondering if anyone can help me understand why when I check for something in mongoose... it says it exists... that if statement returns true, even though it doesnt exist.

and so it says it successfully edits the data anyways, even though inside mongodb compass, I literally deleted the user data, and its never updated (yes I clicked the refresh button.

[latent heron]

@round cove did you watch this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LleJbZ3FOPU

i think the one thing that horrifies me the most about his code is him storing event data as a string

this.event = "Murdered"; is actually mortifying

not an enum or int or even a class method

nah just raw string data

[earnest phoenix]

that is the best way to do it ofc

[sudden geyser]

What's wrong with that?

[latent heron]

you are a living troll

[sudden geyser]

No, a string is fine.

[latent heron]

it's not necessarily "wrong" in the sense of logicality

it's "wrong" to me because it's an odd choice to store data

it's not limited to just this.event but also other things e.g. weapons, character movement, facing directions, etd.

[sudden geyser]

He could've used an enum/integer/etc. but what matters is it's an identifier

and a string is a pretty fine identifier

[latent heron]

i just don't like it

i would obv much rather prefer using some intflag/enum format

because personally to me that seems more intuitive as identifiers

[sudden geyser]

if it suits you then sure

[worthy ivy]

yeah sure, wondering how do you do it lol

true lmao

i see, thanks, if it dosnt work ill just modify it i guess

[stark widget]

i think you need to await the exists function

idk

[pale vessel]

Yes, it returns a promise so await it

Also, .then(interaction.reply({embeds: [logEmbed], ephemeral: true })) is wrong

You need to provide a function instead of calling it directly

.then(() => interaction.reply({embeds: [logEmbed], ephemeral: true }))

[merry kestrel]

Good afternoon all,
Just wondering if anyone has had any experiences converting a IRC chat bot to a discord bot

[lament rock]

a 10 char string takes up 40 bytes of data.
Formula: 20+(n/2)*4

quite a bit more than 4 bytes for an int

but eh

[dark herald]

I am getting some errors in basic python program...can anyone check ?

[earnest phoenix]

Well no

[earnest phoenix]

Not without the errors

[dark herald]

😅 Hang on

I'm trying to make a basic hangman game.
I wrote a while loop to prevent user from entering anything other than 1 letter.

But it's showing syntax error

Someone please tell me how to correct it

[earnest phoenix]

No one can help you without the error

[dark herald]

Oh it is written here

Ohhh

Ok I'll check it out thanks a lotttttt!!!

[errant flax]

<a class="link" href="https://bit.ly/3jaiAoN">Invite</a>

why wont this show as a link?

?

[green kestrel]

a string is only fine if you dont care about memory, performance, or maintainable code. if you use strings, and you have a state thats a string called "Murdered", first that takes 10x as much as a simple byte state, and second if you typo it to "Murder" in another bit, it breaks...

not pinging, as this was ages ago. but i had to stick my oar in here

[errant flax]

wdym?

no i meant it doesn't redirect me

like it doesn't work

[latent heron]

Also it leads to bad overhead over time

Its more than just "using it is an acceptable identifier" because memory allocation and garbage collection is vital for game development

[green kestrel]

yes

but what language was that game written in

[latent heron]

C#

[green kestrel]

i didnt look at the video, dont have time to watch videos when a written page will do

[latent heron]

Unity utilizes mainly C#

[green kestrel]

its unity, ah ok

[latent heron]

that's what Yandere Simulator is written in

yeah there's a shit ton of reasons why Yandere Simulator's FPS is horrible

or was horrible

[green kestrel]

you gotta be even more careful then

[latent heron]

if you actually run the game now it runs almost beautifully

[green kestrel]

as unity uses a really old mono as its framework core iirc

[latent heron]

some crazy optimization has been done

[green kestrel]

which isnt as streamlined

[latent heron]

yeah no Unity is like 1/2 of the reason why YS is slow to begin with

[green kestrel]

just use unreal engine like real devs do

[latent heron]

but there are some horrible practices being used in the YS source code

and string identifiers like those is one of them

because there are a good 2-3K lines of those with this.event being overwritten over and over

all under 1 mono loop

you can imagine how much that begins to take a toll

[green kestrel]

hmm, you wanna see really bad game source code?

ever seen Lugaru?

[latent heron]

no

i just want game devs to be as smart about their code as the Quake III devs were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8u_k2LIZyo

absolutely loved this

[green kestrel]

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