look at your server screening
#development
opal plank
earnest phoenix
Yes
opal plank
so mine are all null
signal summit
Anyone has used to uses aws for bot hosting?
signal summit
amazon web services i mean
summer acorn
how do I prevent this from happening
it tries save too fast but then it ends up not saving for one of them because of it
like, it tries to save a version that has already been changed elsewhere
summer acorn
cant tell anything from that error
it's mongoose, and the issue is that it's trying to save multiple times quickly, causing it to save one version, then the other one that came before the first one saved, tries to save but fails because there is a newer version saved than the one it originally optained
fluid basin
why are you trying to save multiple times really fast anyways
misty sigil
just save it all in one go
summer acorn
why are you trying to save multiple times really fast anyways
level stuff
fluid basin
use caching to reduce db write
summer acorn
that I don't know how to do
tired panther
that I don't know how to do
with a redis mongoose cache layer
trim torrent
OK not rly coding related but I wanted to know the term for when the source code isn't free like open source but instead is provided if a user pays, let's say, £10. Is it then closed source still?
misty sigil
i mean its technically their code then
yea this is a weird situation
expalin further
opal plank
OK not rly coding related but I wanted to know the term for when the source code...
theres a difference between providing a service, a job and code
the former would be you providing a service>
in this case, you provide a bots functionality for example, you host it, you write the code, and the user only gets the functionality out of it
the second, a job.
they hire you to work per hour, by the end, the code is the company with your name in it
the latter, you simply write them the code and sell the intellectual rights to it, they do whatever they want with it afterwards. be host it, modify it, whatever. but the code is theirs, you got no rights on it whatsoever
tired panther
agree
opal plank
even if you created it
they may or may not choose to even cite you as the one who made it
its theirs, period
as an example
the first would be something like dyno
they use the bot
thats it
hosting, coding, fixing, all up to you
you only offer the fuctionality of it
the second would fit into an actual job where you're paid per hour and in the end, the source is company's rights
the latter would be making a bot per request
trim torrent
I offer the source code of my bots to people who pay a small amount however it is always free to use for others using the hosting I already offer. Yeh idc about credit and they are responsible for fixing ect if they use the code themselves. Its all enthusiast so I do it all myself
opal plank
you code it, give them the code, and then wash your hands
opal plank
no problomo
trim torrent
opal plank
river panther
how can i find who is the server admin through the console?
the discord console
this one
spark oracle
lol
opal plank
you shouldnt be using it like that tho lmao
fairly certain you'd need client mods to access internal libs
pale vessel
server admin?
opal plank
i assume they mean owner
river panther
fairly certain you'd need client mods to access internal libs
yes, owner
river panther
like we can get the account made id
tired panther
how can i find who is the server admin through the console?
why?
trim torrent
That sounds like it'd be against tos
tired panther
curoiousity
do not do it when you do not know anything about it
opal plank
im fairly certain you can use your own token on the API endpoint and fetch guilds/ endpoint
but i would highly disencourage that
river panther
oh, ok ok
opal plank
leak your token account and you'll have a lot of trouble
tired panther
im fairly certain you can use your own token on the API endpoint and fetch guild...
why do you tell them lol 
river panther
leak your token account and you'll have a lot of trouble
ik that
river panther
i added discord extention to VSc and it asked me for the token, so i went and read about it
river panther
and they said no
opal plank
again
i recommend NOT doing that
this is usually used for bots, but can be used for users too
opal plank
general rule you shouldnt be doing anything using your user token
tired panther
i added discord extention to VSc and it asked me for the token, so i went and re...
do It, then we do not have to see you here ever again and nothing more to non-star 
trim torrent
Repl. It is not a good idea lol for hosting
Ur gunna get rate limited to hell
Cause everyone is using the same ip
tired panther
how do i update node.js in repl.it?
they already have the up to date version
tired panther
Repl. It is not a good idea lol for hosting
repl works fine for small bots
opal plank
i doubt they do mesiter
drifting wedge
i cant log into my dashboard anymore
umbral zealot
i added discord extention to VSc and it asked me for the token, so i went and re...
Great way to get your token stolen by a 3rd party that will then spam on your behalf and ban everyone on your guilds.
river panther
ok ok, thank you guys to help me, i shall never forget you sll
spark oracle
I keep getting this error, does someone knoz what i can do?
opal plank
if they are using node 15 likely 90% of bots out there would crash
cuz node 15 now crashes on code 1 on ANY unhandled rejection
or uncaughtException
ANY
you get one error = bot crashes
tired panther
cuz node 15 now crashes on code 1 on ANY unhandled rejection
but when you catch them?
opal plank
so i absolutely doubt they are using lastest version
umbral zealot
you get one error = bot crashes
as it should have been from the start with promises 😛
opal plank
bold of you to assume people who use repl would be catching errors
indeed i agree with hind
drifting wedge
can anybody help me with quart-discord?
it keeps looping in auth
like when i auth, it doesnt auth
and sends me to auth page again
junior fjord
why didnt they check my bot yet
pale vessel
because you're impatient
umbral zealot
The wait time is 2-3 weeks
junior fjord
The wait time is 2-3 weeks
im waiting now like 4 weeks
junior fjord
i have other bot
umbral zealot
which one
junior fjord
au
umbral zealot
Only bots I See, you added less than 3 weeks ago.
umbral zealot
23rd => today = 16 days, certainly not "more than 4 weeks"
Really wish people knew who to count calendar days.
junior fjord
23rd => today = 16 days, certainly not "more than 4 weeks"
when u got the badge
umbral zealot
over 6 months ago, since it's no longer given
umbral zealot
Because kids were spamming the queue with shit bots just to get the badge.
opal plank
Really wish people knew who to count calendar days.
how dare you rain on their pity parade? 
umbral zealot
ikr! how dare I correct a raging karen 😛
opal plank
opal plank
#memes-and-media @junior fjord
crimson vapor
hi Erwin
junior fjord
its not a meme
opal plank
its media
umbral zealot
yeah I don't know what that image is supposed to be telling me.
opal plank
hi million
junior fjord
its arthur
junior fjord
im not doing that
opal plank
well, up to you, dont come whinning when a mod tells you
umbral zealot
Then stop posting images when reacting to people. Use your words.
opal plank
regardless, complaints about queue should be asked in #support not here, even though they'll likely yell at you to be patient
junior fjord
humans again
opal plank
troll spotted, stopping feeding
umbral zealot
Yes, we're meat popsicles but at least we know how to count.
boreal iron
misty sigil
i'm a meat popsicle?
junior fjord
opal plank
idk about a meat popsicle, but im a ghost driving a meat covered skeleton made from stardust riding a rock floating through space
misty sigil
coool
crimson vapor
idk about a meat popsicle, but im a ghost driving a meat covered skeleton made f...
no you're literally a drunken developer
opal plank
i told you, stop throwing truths at me, i dont appreciate it
crimson vapor
oh im sorry
boreal iron
Accept the truth and live with it
misty sigil
drunken developers are the best ones tho
tired panther
drunken developers are the best ones tho
willow mirage
@opal plank how did you do that join discord
misty sigil
help, docs are terrifyingly bad
willow mirage
lmao
misty sigil
or im just stupid
misty sigil
definitely the latter
misty sigil
i get it but dont at the same time
opal plank
<@!188836645670223872> give a gist pls
bold of you to assume even if i were to spoonfeed you code it would work
misty sigil
lmao
misty sigil
can i see the complex spaghetti
willow mirage
nvm imma read docs
misty sigil
its too spaghetti innit
willow mirage
try to use 200% braincell
misty sigil
nah its too spaghetti
crimson vapor
let me show you true spaghetti
just find some of my code
pale vessel
let me show you true spaghetti
lyric mountain
fuck i give up
I got you covered
crimson vapor
if I wrote php that would be my code
willow mirage
lmao
boreal iron
God damn that picture is old
misty sigil
php moment
quartz kindle
haifelsen!
latent heron
Thanks for reminding me about how bad PHP gets
opal plank
here , some pearls from me @pale vessel @crimson vapor @quartz kindle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688416503120396299/768137828986912798/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/801827848725200946/unknown.png
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/787760323640688660/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/777496593138057217/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655288690192416781/708356643297165312/unknown.png
latent heron
There's actually a new method in PHP 8 called match
You could theoretically shorten that code to maybe 4 lines now
latent heron
I'm in love with match
It's the one thing I don't think other languages support built-in currently
lyric mountain
we can say you've got "a match"
crimson vapor
we can say that
cinder patio
It's the one thing I don't think other languages support built-in currently
rust has it
pale vessel
I remember that perms one
latent heron
Oh?
opal plank
too bad discord doesnt load all the pics
gotta open in browser
but i assure you they're all bad
latent heron
Discord embed moment
opal plank
crimson vapor
latent heron
Dude account systems in PHP are messy
crimson vapor
I hid my old code
quartz kindle
jesus christ what
crimson vapor
lemme see if I can find it
opal plank
or post them in chat to embed them
earnest phoenix
My code doesnt work, this is what it said
-bash: node: command not found
Any idea?
opal plank
aactually yeah, fuck it
here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688416503120396299/768137828986912798/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/801827848725200946/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/792789174042099732/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/791090756441866310/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655288842433200129/747330215344209991/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/787760323640688660/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/272764566411149314/777496593138057217/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655288690192416781/708356643297165312/unknown.png
crimson vapor
that was pog tho
latent heron
Most php devs be like
"Yeah I preg match all of my input variables, so what?"
crimson vapor
the raid shadow legends
earnest phoenix
My code doesnt work, this is what it said
```bash
-bash: node: command not found...
Bump
latent heron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655288842433200129/747330215344209991/unk...
Weekend is?? 
latent heron
True
opal plank
yeah i had to typecast all that shit
latent heron
Ouch
opal plank
quartz kindle
thats what you get for using ts
opal plank
shush cake boi
quartz kindle
:^)
earnest phoenix
Sooo any fix for the output?
crimson vapor
https://million.is-a.computer/files/Y1PIDmfONmhP2mwa.png not gonna show the code
but this happened
opal plank
dunno, looks like node isnt installed
misty sigil
is ts
earnest phoenix
But the thing is node is installed
latent heron
Non enum moment 
opal plank
Non enum moment <:pensiveblob:724389432576311347>
enum for the weak
i should've used enums for that for sure
latent heron
Drunk you must've felt proud for that one LMAO
vestal stirrup
How can I do this?
latent heron
By coding
misty sigil
come on erwin
opal plank
absolutely
misty sigil
say the thing
opal plank
@vestal stirrup SDK
misty sigil
pog
misty sigil
wbat the fuck
latent heron
And this is why my embeds are JSON imports 
latent heron
Embeds take up too much space in my command code
opal plank
embed builder trash
earnest phoenix
I guess i will try to reinstall node
opal plank
send the object directly
latent heron
No need to hunt through your commands
opal plank
its much better
latent heron
Eh
opal plank
both in performance and readability
crimson vapor
I didn't know how to use a command handler
so all of the cooldowns were pasted in the commands
latent heron
Mine uses slash commands so you can't copy and paste commands 
No need for cool downs at that point
opal plank
imagine not having cooldowns handled by the lib cough cough detritus cough cough
boreal iron
so all of the cooldowns were pasted in the commands
Huh just add a timestamp of the last sent command to the guild cache
opal plank
or use detritus which handles it for you
pale vessel
pls use detritus!!!
crimson vapor
its sad
viscid thistle
does anyone how to make a second instance of my bot like carl did?
crimson vapor
https://million.is-a.computer/files/ItJAzuXAUT5ibejX.png
https://million.is-a.computer/files/HKlRUThpQSuOIDkl.png
earnest phoenix
Whats detritus
opal plank
imagine having to write your own cooldown handler when you simply add a single line for detritus
opal plank
Whats detritus
best .js library
crimson vapor
@opal plank stop
opal plank
<@!188836645670223872> ~~stop~~
make me ho
crimson vapor
ok bitch
earnest phoenix
@crimson vapor so whats it
opal plank
@earnest phoenix read past this #development message
crimson vapor
pull up, no balls
ok when
opal plank
those are just tip of the iceberg
vestal stirrup
https://discord.com/developers/docs/game-sdk/sdk-starter-guide
thanks
boreal iron
imagine having to write your own cooldown handler when you simply add a single l...
God damn adding a timestamp to the guild cache and check it within the message event is less work then including a lib and reading its docs...
earnest phoenix
So its better than Eris and discordjs and.commando?
pale vessel
ew commando
viscid thistle
does anyone how to make a second instance of my bot like carl did?
please, anyone?
earnest phoenix
For reference
opal plank
God damn adding a timestamp to the guild cache and check it within the message e...
imagine only handling ratelimits on guilds
opal plank
So its better than Eris and discordjs and.commando?
a LOT
opal plank
feel free to write your own ratelimit handler for channels, guilds, dms, im happy with my 3 lines
boreal iron
imagine only handling ratelimits on guilds
shhhh that's enough
pale vessel
FakE lost on this one
opal plank
@frosty forge i dont accept random friend requests
i call that being stubborn
its not even my lib tbh
dunno why people just dont appreictae and accept its better in every aspect
earnest phoenix
I am switching to it
boreal iron
FakE lost on this one
shhh, too
opal plank
i only advertise it cuz its good
sudden linden
boreal iron
opal plank
I am switching to it
let met get you the docs
earnest phoenix
Dont need to
earnest phoenix
I already bookmark it
sudden linden
opal plank
http://detritusjs.com/ docs(i already spoke to cake, he'll improve them soon)
https://discord.gg/9beBCMAm (support server, they are always helping there, dont be afraid to ask)
https://github.com/cakedan/notsobot.ts/tree/master/src bot example with all good practices, notsobot code
@earnest phoenix
frosty forge
<@!796802122212704266> i dont accept random friend requests
i need some help
crimson vapor
@slim heart real docs for discord-rose when?
opal plank
i need some help
then ask here, dont go dm'ing users about support
pale vessel
<@!142408079177285632> real docs for discord-rose when?
github docs
opal plank
Do not @mention people randomly. its in the channel topic, this also refers to dm'ing users
opal plank
this is made by notsobot's dev?
yeah
crimson vapor
pog no wonder its so good
viscid thistle
how can I get a user by his id if I'm using commands.Bot and not discord.Client??
pale vessel
poor cake though, he got banned for submitting notsobot in queue in this server
crimson vapor
why
boreal iron
http://detritusjs.com/ docs(i already spoke to cake, he'll improve them soon)
ht...
u eventually got a few bucks for advertising?
pale vessel
because notsosuper is banned?
crimson vapor
oh
vivid fulcrum
how can I get a user by his id if I'm using commands.Bot and not discord.Client?...
all users are male now 
/s
vivid fulcrum
actually good point gorl using discord is a myth
opal plank
u eventually got a few bucks for advertising? <:KEKW:727825308404940800>
unfortunately no 
i just ad it cuz the lib is good
unironically
opal plank
its too early to even begin to put up a fight
boreal iron
unfortunately no <:RazorSigh:763701589990309908>
I swear I'm gonna call the IRS... tell the truth!
crimson vapor
@slim heart add good features so erwin will switch
opal plank
might be able to compete with d.js, but i doubt it'll be able to compete with detritus
even in a finished state
crimson vapor
the way it is built is meant to be really modular
like the basic command handler is shit
but once you add the middlewares
so much more to it
opal plank
i usually prefer to tone down the dependencies on my project, its better to have the lib handle all that
the reason is: if theres a breaking change, you'll be relying on other devs to port it for you
it creates too much dependency and removes a lot of indepedence from your own project
drowsy crag
<@!608767196839018507> doesn't exist
can confirm
crimson vapor
yeah but thats not an issue if you do everything custom
or if you are using something built by the same person who make the lib
opal plank
it is when you rely on other peoples work
say
for example
theres a middleware that adds slash commands support
then berry pushes a change
crimson vapor
thats not how it would work but yeah ik what you mean
opal plank
now im relying on not only berry, but the dev for that
it chains too much dependency on other developers
quiet ore
crimson vapor
hmm
opal plank
i much rather have a single lib with everything in it, then i just cherry pick what im going to be using, since its all in constructors it wont be using extra mem
opal plank
with detritus
crimson vapor
use a set and add ID-GuildID-command?
opal plank
crimson vapor
and map it to what lol
opal plank
userid/timestamp
,
crimson vapor
hmmm
crimson vapor
fuck
opal plank
opal plank
this works in queue iirc
so even ratelimited, it'll continue to work and not flatout deny the command from running
you'd have to implement a queue'ing system
boreal iron
with simple timestamps for the user id or guild you do check on the next message event
opal plank
that would work for user ratelimiting
for guilds/channel/user you'd have to use 3 different ones
check user ratelimit => pass to channel check => pass to guild check => run
you'd cascade push them in sequence
crimson vapor
hmm
boreal iron
stop making Erwin rich...
boreal iron
bet he's getting a $100 promo if you download the lib
opal plank
fat paychecks
boreal iron
damn capitalism
crimson vapor
ill download it if you give me 1/2 of that 100
crimson vapor
lol
opal plank
eval return 0 / 2 // 0
crimson vapor
ty
boreal iron
and Erwins wallet is growing
opal plank
imma keep this in a tag tbh
@crimson vapor http://detritusjs.com/ docs(i already spoke to cake, he'll improve them soon)
https://discord.gg/9beBCMAm (support server, they are always helping there, dont be afraid to ask)
https://github.com/cakedan/notsobot.ts/tree/master/src bot example with all good practices, notsobot code
crimson vapor
pain
crimson vapor
false
zenith terrace
crimson vapor
@opal plank this is berry's example https://github.com/jpbberry/shiro
opal plank
oh, now that you're part of us, you're legally required to go at sunday morning knocking doors telling people about our lord and saviour detritus
you're allowed one cuss if they call you a Jeovah Witness
crimson vapor
LOL
opal plank
well i take my leave now to go buy food, i sent you the docs and support server invite if you have questions
crimson vapor
im not gonna use it lol
crimson vapor
does it have voice support?
opal plank
i think so? havent used it tho
slim heart
<@!142408079177285632> add good features so erwin will switch
weary
pale vessel
moment
cinder patio
ouf I'm struggling implementing function arguments in my interpreter 😩
slim heart
rose isn't supposed to be a detritus competitor it's supposed to be a highly scalable production ready library it's not meant to be simple
crimson vapor
so?
slim heart
i plan on adding built in machine scaling eventually lmao
crimson vapor
meaning?
slim heart
you can scale a bot across multiple machines
crimson vapor
@slim heart #810959583496634395 message
slim heart
?
crimson vapor
suggestions
jovial elk
hello everyone ^^, i was wondering if anyone knows if there a way to find the id of an emoji that is not custom? for example ➡️ ?
slim heart
@rustic nova some guy spamming .'s in this channel check logs pls
earnest phoenix
hello everyone ^^, i was wondering if anyone knows if there a way to find the ...
the link
slim heart
hello everyone ^^, i was wondering if anyone knows if there a way to find the ...
they're unicode they don't have an id
rustic nova
@earnest phoenix can you kindly stop spamming dots in here
jovial elk
they're unicode they don't have an id
thanks!
slim heart
<@!142408079177285632> real docs for discord-rose when?
also what's the point if it's all just straight discord stuff
my docs are the discord docs 😎
misty sigil
hi
slim heart
@opal plank pobnk
opal plank
<@!188836645670223872> pobnk
ashen mist
sa
earnest phoenix
sa
Go to #general-int for turkish
cinder patio
What's the fastest way to concatenate two arrays in JS, without mutating any of them
lyric mountain
[...array1, ...array2] ig
pale vessel
sour flame
I go into my vscode and see this
umbral zealot
You see... what exactly? What's the question?
sour flame
Idk what happened? I get pinged here and then I check my vs code to see stuff I ddin't do
waxen cloak
discord.js vs Eris?
pale vessel
Erwin: Detritus!!
umbral zealot
Idk what happened? I get pinged here and then I check my vs code to see stuff I ...
What do you mean "you get pinged here"? Nobody pinged you here since yesterday.
And your VSCode is currently pointed to a file you don't need to fuck around with, honestly, so I'm not sure what you're trying to tell us or ask us.
sour flame
kk
old cliff
😆
cinder patio
Interesting
weird that spreading is way slower
it would make sense .concat and the spread operator would have the same implementation
crimson vapor
million simps for rose more than me lmfao
use discord-rose
slim heart
weary
crimson vapor
you won't because you're just bad
crimson vapor
pog
livid lichen
Question relating to Environmental Variables (.env): Can .env hold tables with values? Example: ```
example={
example2="yes I love examples"
}
I don't think so
cinder patio
no
crimson vapor
@opal plank
cinder patio
well technically... you could hold a json string
pale vessel
you can stringify a json but just use a json file at that point
sudden geyser
You should use another file format, like JSON or TOML
cinder patio
but what's the point
crimson vapor
time for a fun conversation
livid lichen
Whoa
livid lichen
but what's the point
Well, I wanted to organize my .env file better since it looks like I threw up all over it.
slim heart
you should only use .env for sensitive info
rarely would you ever have to use an object type of format for said info
pale vessel
what kind of env are you talking about?
slim heart
u can have all your normal non-sensitive info in a json or some other file format then combine the two at runtime
cinder patio
there's nothing wrong with storing sensitive info in any format as long as you're not sharing the file to the public
livid lichen
rarely would you ever have to use an object type of format for said info
Indeed.
earnest phoenix
noice
slim heart
so like what i do is have tokens in my .env and then i have a config.js that reads that env and throw them in the config as well
pale vessel
why
slim heart
and then config.js can be public and it has all of the non-sensitive info
livid lichen
what kind of env are you talking about?
The basic .env file. I've been just thinking if it was possible to sort it by tables. For example: ```
ApiKeys={
YouTube="xxxxxx"
}
old cliff
You cant use objects in env dude
pale vessel
ah makes sense
old cliff
You can still use json in string
livid lichen
you should just use json
Well, I plan on open sourcing my bot soon.
opal plank
<@!188836645670223872>
?
pale vessel
do like berry
livid lichen
I am going to use .gitignore
pale vessel
you can make it public that way
livid lichen
Thanks for the info.
earnest phoenix
.addField("Members", ` ${message.guild.memberCount}`, true) .addField("Roles", `${member.roles.cache.map(roles => `<@&${roles.id }>`).join(" **|** ") || "No Roles"} .addField("Channels", message.guild.channels.size, true) .addField("You Joined", message.member.joinedAt) .setFooter(`Created ${message.guild.createdAt}`);
wot did I do wrong
opaque seal
How do I get an array of snowflakes from a Discord.js collection
pale vessel
you didn't close your template literal
cinder patio
How do I get an array of snowflakes from a Discord.js collection
collection.keyArray()
earnest phoenix
Member.roles?
pale vessel
How do I get an array of snowflakes from a Discord.js collection
[...collection.keys()]
opaque seal
collection.keyArray()
uh thanks didn't see that
pale vessel
keyArray() caches it, but I don't think it matters
earnest phoenix
``` .addField("Members", `<:TS_User:819307875121233960> ${message.guild.membe...
message.member.roles?
uh
old cliff
`[...collection.keys()]`
Isn't the first value also a part?
cinder patio
[...collection.keys()] is also a valid way of doing it, it's just that .keyArray() caches the result
pale vessel
keyArray() is better
cinder patio
that's the only difference.
pale vessel
I just checked, it reconstructs it if the collection is modified
slim heart
keyArray() caches because it's used constantly throughout the collection internals
cinder patio
It's only used in 2 methods, (randomKey() and lastKey())
pale vessel
keyArray() is fine but I don't think you should use collection.array()
pale vessel
what
slim heart
but values instead
pale vessel
keyArray() is fine but I don't think you should use collection.array()
since it'll only refresh if an element is removed or added
so if an element is modified then it won't refresh the cache ([...collection.values()] is better in this case)
but I digress
slim heart
thats just how maps work
earnest phoenix
.addField(`Roles [${guild.roles.cache.size(r => r.id !== message.guild.id).map(roles => `\`${roles.name}\``).length}]`,`${guild.roles.cache.size(r => r.id !== message.guild.id).map(roles => `<@&${roles.id }>`).join(" **|** ") || "No Roles"}`, true)
Heh
slim heart
you should be saving back a collection if you've updated it
cinder patio
but map keys don't get modified
pale vessel
keyArray() is fine but I don't think you should use collection.array()
yeah
cinder patio
it would matter for the values, but not for the keys
pale vessel
but I digress
and ^^
pale vessel
you're looking at the wrong thing
pale vessel
what's guild?
earnest phoenix
uh the server?
pale vessel
which server?
pale vessel
god damn it
earnest phoenix
Omg
pale vessel
i'm trying to make them understand
pale vessel
I was expecting "the server the message is from" but I guess I'm not getting any of that
pale vessel
earnest phoenix
pale vessel
well I guess that's solved, anyway
pale vessel
earnest phoenix
digital ibex
Lol
old cliff
Which is the better way to get actual ping?
let ping = Date.now() - message.createdTimestamp;
message.channel.send(Ponng ${ping});
2) ```js
await let m = message.channel.send("Pong");
let ping = m.createdTimestamp - message.createdTimestamp;
m.edit(`Pong ${ping}`);
2 works?
solemn latch
depends on what your measuring
old cliff
message ping
solemn latch
then 2
old cliff
whats bad about 1 then?
solemn latch
1 measures just how long a signal from you to discord and back to you takes
2 measures how long you till a message is processed takes
2 can be a little janky though
old cliff
1 checks 1 way ping... ok
old cliff
for me 2 is 1000 but 1 is 60
dusk scarab
hi anyone know how I can modify my message.js to let it navigate into folders... because its getting excruciatingly painful to find each command now that i have like 20000000000 (exaggeration). My message.js: https://sourceb.in/afwInPErZC
solemn latch
for me 2 is 1000 but 1 is 60
so, on the jankyness of 2 is that it compares timestamps, which are not always accurate with discord.
so 2 can sometimes give negative numbers even.
pale vessel
I think 4 is better message.channel.send("Pong 0ms");
old cliff
let time = Date.now()
await let m = message.channel.send('Pong');
let ping = Date.now() - time;
m.edit(`Pong ${ping}`);
it checks it according to system time
solemn latch
if your servers timestamp is diffrent than discords it will also be janky 👀
solemn latch
oh i see
slim heart
they all mean different things
but something is strange about your pings prolly just bad internet
old cliff
but something is strange about your pings prolly just bad internet
thats on heroku
slim heart
makes sense
old cliff
I am trying to get the ping which the user experiences for the bot
pale vessel
there is `<client>.ws.ping` as well
that's websocket ping, not REST
old cliff
which is the most sccurate?
slim heart
the 1st is ws half trip ping, the 2nd is rest half trip ping, and the 3rd is rest round trip ping
slim heart
internet
why i said your pings dont make sense
oh you know what
no
2nd is half trip ws and rest
old cliff
wdym?
slim heart
because you're comparing the received message timestamp to the sent message timestamp
old cliff
yes
slim heart
so your ws ping is prolly just really bad which is why your ping is weird
old cliff
not true
slim heart
run the 2nd again
slim heart
ws.ping is also the roundtrip for a heartbeat
you're either doing a lot of processing before a message is recognized or again internet just bad
slim heart
100 is also a lot for a heartbeat roundtrip so it wouldnt surprise me
old cliff
thats why I set message.ping = Date.now() - message.createdTimestamp before processing
which is usually 60-80
crimson vapor
wtf
why would you do that?
that makes no sense
Date.now() should be much greater than 60 lol
yeah
that makes more sense
old cliff
Date.now() should be much greater than 60 lol
edited
slim heart
server side what
crimson vapor
idk man
old cliff
server side
crimson vapor
thats still 1/2 of the ping tho
slim heart
createdTimestamp is based off the snowflake iirc
old cliff
yes
crimson vapor
ping is back and forth
old cliff
yes
slim heart
really its up to you what stat you want to present
old cliff
thats why I am trying to figure out the best way
slim heart
3rd might be the smallest but it might not be fully accurate
it doesnt really matter if ur roundtrip rest ping is 100 if it legitimately takes a full second to respond to a message
crimson vapor
ctx.embed
.author('Pong!', url)
.color(ctx.worker.colors.PURPLE)
.send(true)
.then(msg => {
msg.embeds[0].author!.name += ` (${(Date.now() - time).toFixed(2)}ms)`;
ctx.worker.api.messages.edit(msg.channel_id, msg.id, { embed: msg.embeds[0] });
});```thats what I do
pale vessel
created timestamp is client side right?
server side
crimson vapor
crimson vapor
server side
ok pog
old cliff
inline reply pog
crimson vapor
yea
pale vessel
use discord rose to get it /s
slim heart
oh nvrm yeah created_timestamp is sent from discord not the snowflake
slim heart
moment
pale vessel
slim heart
https://million.is-a.computer/files/atTiZwmeMji47xDb.png
update to 0.2.0 smh
so it doesnt ping
crimson vapor
soon™️
slim heart
Array.concat()
pale vessel
bruh
crimson vapor
no
slim heart
const newArray = array1.concat(array2)
tired panther
lol thx
tired panther
const newArray = array1.concat(array2)
crimson vapor
@slim heart still pings LOL
pale vessel
two same conversation in one day, interesting #development message
crimson vapor
<@!277183033344524288> change the allowed_mentions on edit
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slim heart
preference
old cliff
*cough
crimson vapor
idc tbh
slim heart
u have ur 3 methods choose one
crimson vapor
idc why its such a big deal
old cliff
I actually have 4
crimson vapor
its not like it actually pings anyone
LOL
you would have to alt tab just after sending the message for it to matter
slim heart
flaze smells thatds why it apparently matters
crimson vapor
LOL
slim heart
smfh
crimson vapor
or have hella shit ping
pale vessel
i'm telling you 4th method is the best and fastest #development message
old cliff
I will stick with my pre process ping method
crimson vapor
honestly
old cliff
It gives very less ping xD
old cliff
pog
crimson vapor
green kestrel
i made a better version of my guide video showing users how to update the bots role and change the bots pfp. anone want to see and offer feedback?
crimson vapor
yea send it
green kestrel
should fit here
i added rolling summary at the bottom, re-captured it with my hardware capture card at much higher res and re-cut it
crimson vapor
- I don't like the scrolling text, in fullscreen it was kinda distracting and confusing
otherwise its good
green kestrel
do you think non-technical users might need the scrolling text bit?
to explain what theyre doing and why?
crimson vapor
I would say maybe only capture a part of the screen as well
runic depot
old cliff
is this the correct way to get memory usage?
(process.memoryUsage().heapUsed) / 1024 / 1024```yeah 100% explain it but imo you shouldn't have it scrolling
cinder patio
the scrolling text is very hard to read for me
runic depot
it just sends the post request to main domain, what should i do?
crimson vapor
its distracting and especially confusing for people who are new probably
green kestrel
what if it didnt scroll?
crimson vapor
probably would be better, its a big also imo
especailly in full screen
which I assume people will use to see everything
green kestrel
let me make a second one without the scrolling text
here we go... better?
hmm its ten megs smaller for some reason
crimson vapor
LOL
yeah so thats great, will this be linked in a command or on like a setup page
if its a setup page, you could have screenshots with highlightingh
https://million.is-a.computer/files/Foumh1vIpIDNICPn.png something like this
green kestrel
its something i want existing users to see, it'll probably be a one off in an embed in !help for existing users or something, and also on a blog post
green kestrel
for new users as of a couple of days ago, the bot is invited with the correct manage webhook perm already
green kestrel
its a new feature i didnt consder i'd add when i made the bot last year so now i got like 76000 servers without this perm, encouraging them all to add it is a headache
less warning, more encouragement
crimson vapor
yeah
green kestrel
messages via webhook are a lot less laggy
crimson vapor
you are using it to "abuse" ratelimits?
green kestrel
and they can control the pfp and name easily on a per channel basis
nah they just seem faster
crimson vapor
ah
green kestrel
probably because im in full control of it and can avoid the library
crimson vapor
yeah
green kestrel
and i can send through several ips on my system that have different NICs
i have 2 nics and no teaming
crimson vapor
but I expect that if you send the video with a link to a more in-depth guide, it should be super simple for a user to setup
especially since its like 4 things to do
green kestrel
yeah
and it can be split into two
first bit: "i'm an existing user and want to change the bots pfp"
and second bit after it: "i'm a new user"
new user is only the one step, go in change webhook 😄
crimson vapor
yeah
if you will be using the same format as your faq, just link to different places
one being adding webhooks
one being configuring webhooks
green kestrel
yeah
if the bot has the right existing permissions it'll just make one on each channel a game starts on
crimson vapor
just as my opinion, a video is always nice to have but its probably easier for a user if you use screenshots with highlights and explinations
but yeah this idea of using webhooks is pog
especially since it seems you can just use the other ips to make the requests
crimson vapor
is it possible to do a request on ipv6?
green kestrel
i rotate my calls across all 5, respecting rate limits, with a multi-threaded system of ten queues
crimson vapor
yeah so no need to worry about getting ratelimited
green kestrel
i threw 41 concurrent games at it earlier on test, hoping to get near the rate limit to test the new rate limiting code.... i couldnt
in fact the only place that got rate limited was my client, trying to make 41 channels 😦
old cliff
I bet ravy has like 1000 ips
green kestrel
i do occaisionally get a rate limit 429
crimson vapor
yikes
green kestrel
this is because the rate limit for webhooks is affected by other bots and automations on the same channel
in total, a channel can receive 30 webhooks per minute
crimson vapor
@old cliff music bots use ipv6 rotation which iirc is built into ll
green kestrel
but thats spread across ALL webhooks, even ones that arent yours
so you cant know if youve hit a webhook till you try to send
at which point you just have to respect the headers and back off
green kestrel
basically youre at the mercy of other systems
crimson vapor
its even possible to do ipv6 rotation with ytdl
green kestrel
this isnt the case with standard channel messages
crimson vapor
its actually super simple
old cliff
@green kestrel took a break?
crimson vapor
its a hidden feature
green kestrel
this is my stats for 24 hours
204 172228
404 173
400 42
429 10
500 3
502 2```
green kestrel
the 500 and 502 may be from my system api, they go through the same scheduler
crimson vapor
all you need to do in ytdl is specify the ipv6 in the miniget options
green kestrel
https://github.com/brainboxdotcc/triviabot/blob/master/modules/trivia/webrequest.cpp#L247
this is how im handling it, ive had to make some adjustments based on some feedback from the people on discord-developers server
green kestrel
well it kinda looks like javascript.... in the same way to an alien, a human being might look a bit like an ape
crimson vapor
yeah ig you could say that
im sure if I sat down one day and actually took the time to learn the basics it wouldn't be too hard to understand
green kestrel
theres some low level stuff in c and c++ that are unlike anything you'd find in JavaScript, python, or even java
c# has some very slightly similar pointer manipulation stuff
crimson vapor
a pointer is just a well pointer to the memory right?
green kestrel
if you work in unsafe
yes
but c++ has pointer maths
which iirc isnt a thing for high level languages
crimson vapor
wdym by pointer maths?
green kestrel
so incrementing and decrementing pointers to walk memory, adding and subtracting pointers, dereferencing pointers and turning standard variables into their addresses and therefore a pointer to the variable
stuff like that
and the fact you can have references and pointers and references are basically just window dressing and a pretty bow on a pointer
crimson vapor
ah
green kestrel
but the syntax is the same as making a pointer to a var and it's contextual
like if I put int &a as a parameter in a function it means an integer called a passed by ref
but if I do this outside a function parameter list: int* b = &a; it means a pointer to variable called a
not a reference to a
crimson vapor
that seems so confusing
green kestrel
although internally they're one and the same
yeah I think some things are intentionally confusing
green kestrel
like with PHP it has decades of developer warts all over it
and about 4 different ways of doing anything
between functional, OOP, templating etc
crimson vapor
lmao
green kestrel
I mean js has similar warts from its origins as a purely web front-end language but being newer it's less warty
crimson vapor
well js doesn't know how to compare different types
cinder patio
js is great right now
green kestrel
ive heard TS is better
crimson vapor
from my experience ts js quite literally just typed js
green kestrel
type safety is very important
crimson vapor
yeah I agree
crimson vapor
yeah lmao
pseudo phoenix
how i detect missing permissions and request them to server owners.
green kestrel
examine channel permissions
lyric mountain
type safety is very important
imagine not having ambiguity safety
green kestrel
its complex though
green kestrel
crimson vapor
oh its quite literally english
green kestrel
scroll down to the bit where theres pseudocode
you have to take into account the permission overwrites of the channel
plus your base permissions from your bot's managed role or at-everyone role
crimson vapor
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