so what if i need the client as well
#development
crystal wigeon
cinder patio
Then you can't really do this kind of thing with discord.js
You don't need the client to delete a message for example, you can make the request yourself
crystal wigeon
i mean thats just one example
but what if i need the client for other operations
i obv cant login again on the receiving process
cinder patio
yea that's why making the HTTP requests yourself is the only way to do this
slender thistle
An active websocket connection is only needed to receive events
Most of the stuff your bot does is HTTP requests, which doesn't require an active connection at the time of request
crystal wigeon
someone here earlier told me not to use ws
slender thistle
I don't know what kind of fuckery is going on here and what the use case is, so imma head out to eat
cinder patio
discord.js is not designed to be used like this, so if you want to delete a message for example, you will have to make the HTTP request yourself
cinder patio
I'm just giving it as an example
crystal wigeon
how do i share the message and client between 2 processes, one way is just taking the required data and serializing it over redis
im not able to get my head around this http you talking about
should i put a http server behind the client login?
after the client logins and when i wanna share my data
i just send it over http?
to the other process
crystal wigeon
so over http req i'll be able to send the message and client without serializing ?
cinder patio
in this case, the discord api is the server, while you are the client who makes the request
crystal wigeon
yeah
cinder patio
no that's just how to make http requests, you will still have to serialize the message data, and you can't serialize the client
crystal wigeon
so my receiving process must be a server
mmm
so bots build on js is not scalable?
cinder patio
you don't need a server - you just can't send complex objects from process to another process, only serializable data, and that's numbers, strings, bools, arrays, and simple boekcts
umbral zealot
They are scalable. You just can't exchange javascript class instances through HTTP
lusty quest
just not that efficent
crystal wigeon
i still dont understand why a good config VM couldn't handle even 50 users
there was huge latency
even tho its in us
the vms
i see
lusty quest
there is a bug within your code
solemn latch
latency? just ping issues? no cpu issues?
crystal wigeon
it also caused the commands to be executed twice or something
umbral zealot
"latency" means "lag" so, the number of users shouldn't affect latency at all.
solemn latch
double instanceing
crystal wigeon
because it was just single thread
lusty quest
it doesnt is bcs of the single threaded nature of js
crystal wigeon
im trying to break this into multi processes
umbral zealot
I've handled 1400 server with about a million and a half users on a single nodejs thread so... it's not nodejs itself that's the issue.
lusty quest
you had 2 instances running
crystal wigeon
i got like 30k ping when users spammed commands
lusty quest
that spawned 2 different "bots"
solemn latch
users spamming commands could have resulted in a ratelimit
crystal wigeon
so ig the workers picked two jobs
lusty quest
also with the Ping stuff, did you use apis?
crystal wigeon
probably
lusty quest
had once my bot reaching 100kms bcs of an command that accessed an api
solemn latch
ive seen commands get ratelimited off one command
lusty quest
to be fair it where an edge case, one user got bored and constructed an argument for the command that caused the API to DDos the bot
crystal wigeon
why is that
earnest phoenix
How Can I Get My Emoji ID?
crystal wigeon
discord is doing that?
solemn latch
well, if your command does multiple api calls, you can get ratelimited.
earnest phoenix
How Can I Get My Emoji ID?
escape it
-> \:dbl -> !dbl
crystal wigeon
by multiple api calls you mean the api calls to djs?
solemn latch
for example, editing a message 5 times in a short period of time = ratelimited.
umbral zealot
What exactly does your bot do, @crystal wigeon ?
crystal wigeon
to get info like guild etc
earnest phoenix
escape it
<:dbl:757235965629825084> -> ``\:dbl`` -> \<:dbl:757235965629825084>
Trying for a Minute
crystal wigeon
ikr
solemn latch
if you fetch a guild, thats an api call. if you get a guild, its not an api call.
umbral zealot
That's literally nothing
crystal wigeon
i assume thats not api call?
earnest phoenix
@umbral zealot Thx
solemn latch
cache is a get typically.
crystal wigeon
yeah
umbral zealot
So you get user data and... then what
crystal wigeon
hang on
umbral zealot
are you creating full 10-minute videos with sound processing or something? lol
crystal wigeon
so im assuming message.send("some data") is an api call?
earnest phoenix
correct
earnest phoenix
also correct
solemn latch
anything where discord has to do something is an api call
crystal wigeon
create embeds should not be an api call correct?
earnest phoenix
i.e. REST
crystal wigeon
ok lemme show you what my bot does
solemn latch
sending an embed is an api call, just making the embed is not.
crystal wigeon
So here's what happens after this embed is sent it also calls the edit()
got it
so yeah iam sending embeds
and then editing that embed
so here i cant be sure how many times this gets called
umbral zealot
That's pretty much nothing, like, generating those 2 progress bars is something, but it shouldn't require so much processing power, that's super simple
solemn latch
his cpu power isnt the issue
crystal wigeon
yes but the edit api call
solemn latch
we already determined that
crystal wigeon
yep
umbral zealot
How often are you editing though
umbral zealot
when a command is sent, or on a timer?
crystal wigeon
it invokes on a command then its just a timer until the health is 0
solemn latch
if multiple people use the command in a channel, you could hit the ratelimit quite easily.
crystal wigeon
which spikes the ping?
solemn latch
a single person probably wont
if it cant send any messages because of that ratelimit yeah
crystal wigeon
yeah my bot went viral 2 days ago and my server got flooded with 200 users who wanted to iuse the bot
and then starting sending commands in channels
solemn latch
so, on my game bot, i had restrictions for only one game in a channel at a time.
crystal wigeon
now i know why i get those missing message nad not permitted by discord error
earnest phoenix
limit those battles or whatever they are to one per channel
yeah
what woo said
solemn latch
as many ratelimits are per channel, that may solve your issues
solemn latch
ratelimits are very often per channel
lusty quest
throw more processing power on it. or use a language that is multi threaded
solemn latch
we already determined its not cpu power
crystal wigeon
python is multithreaded?
yeah not cpu issue
the latency is due to discord being rate limited the commands right?
lusty quest
well then more stuff like C# C++, GO, Rust
slender hamlet
earnest phoenix
keep in mind that node often isn't able to take use of your hardware to it's fullest potential
crystal wigeon
if the bot gets verified, will the rate limit thing exceed or something tho?
earnest phoenix
consider using langs superbrain listed
crystal wigeon
yep im well aware of that
it only uses like 500 memory
this is just one instance
lusty quest
how many guilds?
lusty quest
wow what did you store in memory?
crystal wigeon
the test bot is just a replica of original bot which is in 160 guilds but the player base is same since im usign same db
lusty quest
did you do a lot of image manipulation?
lusty quest
yea the Canvas stuff will bog your bot down
crystal wigeon
wym
lusty quest
its slow and will take some time to render
lusty quest
well you got the issue that you have high latency. what if of the 160 Guilds 6-12 render an Image at once.
crystal wigeon
so will getting the bot verified increase the rate limit thing or something?
lusty quest
nope
unless you hit 400k Guilds then you have to contract Discord Support bcs you need the other API access
crystal wigeon
well you got the issue that you have high latency. what if of the 160 Guilds 6-1...
this is why im trying to execute multiple jobs parallely
i see
lusty quest
yea and js is single threaded
earnest phoenix
consider switching to another language
node just isn't as powerful for this task
lusty quest
canvas will render one after the other
crystal wigeon
yeah js is single threaded, but i have workers jsut need to figure out how to share the message and client, tho switching to another language would be i'll have to re-do the bot
also idk go
only python
and its also single threaded ?
ig
lusty quest
python is not that better
lusty quest
consider a compiled language
sudden geyser
It's not any better for the job.
lusty quest
like the ones ive listed a short while ago
earnest phoenix
i would personally suggest c# because it has this powerful tasks api
you can run tasks in parallel and throwing them into another thread will automatically be handled when needed
crystal wigeon
well there's a learning curve for me there
lusty quest
its a bit harder to learn than js
lusty quest
but not impossible
crystal wigeon
i was gonna learn go for ML but was told its no that poppular and im better off learning something else
lusty quest
if you know js you will find some stuff that is similar in most languages
C# got ML.Net a quite powerful ML package
ive got recently into Rust and for now i like it (still havent really used it im still working throu the docs)
lusty quest
ohh now i get it the bot rates itself
earnest phoenix
THE PREFIX
lusty quest
language?
lusty quest
๐คฆ
crimson vapor
dev language
lusty quest
programming lang
earnest phoenix
i think he means the bot language
crimson vapor
coding language
crimson vapor
oh
crystal wigeon
lol
earnest phoenix
crystal wigeon
lmao
earnest phoenix
Hello, it's normal that the bot is inactive ??
lusty quest
did you login with the bot?
solemn latch
if you dont run it, yeah its normal.
earnest phoenix
Yes the bot has been active in my server until now
@earnest phoenix and where is the main command line of the ${prefix}?
like this
const prefix = pre.fetch(`prefix_${message.guild.id}`);```Are we talking about the Giveaway bot ??
crystal wigeon
btw last question, so even if i try to multi processes the traffic, i'll still hit the rate limit thing right?
solemn latch
theres like 100 giveaway bots
earnest phoenix
1000*
earnest phoenix
btw last question, so even if i try to multi processes the traffic, i'll still h...
yes
lusty quest
yes the ratelimits stay the same
earnest phoenix
<@456226577798135808> and where is the main command line of the `${prefix}`?
li...
its a string inside a json file
earnest phoenix
its a string inside a json file
that is a .json file
where define you the prefix in the message event?
lusty quest
he probably loads it from the json
lusty quest
if you console.log your prefix it also logs it correctly?
earnest phoenix
I doubt if that is a smart thing to do while it can be much easier in 1 line
const prefix = 'm.';```yea but hardcoding such stuff is bad practise
earnest phoenix
uhm
lusty quest
and what if he wants to reference it in mutiple files?
earnest phoenix
yea but hardcoding such stuff is bad practise
so i just make it a const inside the main file
fair enougjh
and now good?
so whats wrong with the string in the json file?
lusty quest
loading it from the json is fine
lusty quest
just dont use json as a "Database"
earnest phoenix
quick.db is better
lusty quest
barebones sqlite is better. quick.db is extremely restricting
lusty quest
console.log(prefix) does your prefix ends up in your console?
earnest phoenix
yes
it sends m.
in log
if its a different prefix
like
r.
i still returns m. in log
lusty quest
could you make a small screenshot or copy/paste of your code? maybe there is something else wrong. Also make sure to not include any token
earnest phoenix
then something else is not right in your message event.
make sure everything is in the right order
ok
i mean
ill send you lol
my code is messy
but ill sends
lusty quest
cant be worse than other stuff i saw here
earnest phoenix
want me to send in dm?
lusty quest
i dont do DM stuff
earnest phoenix
sure
Sending it here would help others figure out the issue if one person can't
uhh
which means i have to send all of my bots code
We don't need the entirety of your bot's code, just the parts you defined and used the prefix
Starting points of your message event would suffice
const args = message.content.substring(prefix.length).split(" "); // prefix split
switch(args[0]){```
crimson vapor
you're only checking the length
lusty quest
use a codeblock in the future 3x `
earnest phoenix
ok g
crimson vapor
```
earnest phoenix
i know
That's not where the issue is occurring i assume, may you show us where you're defining your prefix
right
lol
so its just prefix
i dont need length
i think not in the message event
uhh
wait
You're planning to set your prefix accordingly but setting it outside the event listener
If I want administrator to use this command do I just put administrator in line 14?
like this
bot.on('message', async message => { // message async due to vrcuser and other commands not present for right now
const prefix = 'm.';
const args = message.content.substring(prefix.length).split(" "); // prefix split
switch(args[0]){```thank you @earnest phoenix and everyone else
earnest phoenix
If I want administrator to use this command do I just put administrator in line ...
Yes
earnest phoenix
like this
```js
bot.on('message', async message => { // message async due to vr...
hm?
mellow kelp
If I want administrator to use this command do I just put administrator in line ...
yea, you can
earnest phoenix
like this
```js
bot.on('message', async message => { // message async due to vr...
earnest phoenix
yea, you can
Thank ya!
mellow kelp
@earnest phoenix but you probably don't need administrator permissions
lusty quest
he just suggests him to hardcode the prefix and ditch the config file
mellow kelp
no bot needs the whole administrator permission, so you should just check the individual perms you need
earnest phoenix
Cant I just put
This channel, development in a nutshell
administrator
Ima just do that
mellow kelp
well k
mellow kelp
dot dot dot
earnest phoenix
@mellow kelp is it with caps or just smoll letters?
mellow kelp
caps
earnest phoenix
Dotpost combo
crystal wigeon
smoll
earnest phoenix
Administrator
crystal wigeon
lmao
crystal wigeon
ADMINISTRATOR
earnest phoenix
i have it so and works perfectly
const pre = new db.table(`guild_${message.guild.id}`);
const prefix = pre.fetch(`prefix_${message.guild.id}`);
const pre1 = new db.table('serverside');
if(!prefix){
pre.add(`prefix_${message.guild.id}`, '!>');
}
if(message.author.bot) return;
if (message.content.indexOf(prefix) !== 0) return;
if(!message.member) message.member = await message.guild.fetchMember(messsage);
if(!message.guild) return;
const args = message.content.slice(prefix.length).trim().split(/ +/g);
pre1.add(`used`,1);
const cmd = args.shift().toLowerCase();
if(cmd.length === 0) return;
permissions are all in uppercase
earnest phoenix
i dont get it
crystal wigeon
smol
lusty quest
i have it so and works perfectly <:KEKW:727825308404940800>
```js
const pre = ...
there is a difference between using a Database and hardcoding the prefix
earnest phoenix
mellow kelp
fax
earnest phoenix
mhm
earnest phoenix
This channel
Voltrex said it was because i was getting the length
const args = message.content.substring(prefix.length).split(" "); // prefix split
I never said that
earnest phoenix
i still dont understand
why you the coding a bot? 
there is enough tutorial on YouTube how to do it
Million did
bro
tell me why you tryed helping and it did nothing
earnest phoenix
like this
```js
bot.on('message', async message => { // message async due to vr...
you legit sent the exact code i have
and said
do this
i already had a string for the prefix
you code is fucked up
thanks
gathered
earnest phoenix
and not working
Chat, thanks for brutally ignoring whatever i said
am i missing semi colons lmao
lusty quest
they are not really needed
earnest phoenix
joke*
sudden geyser
Pup I think you forgot to wrap <2021> under <2020> /s
sudden geyser
yes
lusty quest
did you trim your args before splitting? incase there are whitespace
earnest phoenix
@earnest phoenix and what about if you try this as args?
const args = message.content.slice(prefix.length).trim().split(/ +/);
i think he meant me
and no
my code is working perfecly
it is something else
Oh
yeah
i would send you my stuff
if you want
lol
Just do it
lusty quest
maybe go step by step to check if there is something going around your args
dusky sundial
Has anyone here ever tried running two redis services at once?
dusky sundial
Yeah, I'm trying to
lusty quest
but why did you need 2?
crimson vapor
redis is just a cache
lusty quest
just use unique keys
crimson vapor
you can just prefix with the bot's discrim or smth
lusty quest
i use the Same redis and Mongo Server for 4 Bots and a WIP Dashboard
dusky sundial
I'm pretty new to databases, especially redis. Would I just set the key to something like my bot's id and then store the entire data of the bot as a json string as a value to that key?
lusty quest
how did you plan to store stuff?
dusky sundial
Well for one of my bots I wanna store currency
earnest phoenix
you're aware redis is memory only, right?
dusky sundial
yeah
earnest phoenix
it's no different than storing the data in your code
lament rock
Redis offers disk persistence
lusty quest
then just add to each prefix the id of the bot to make it unique to the bot. but for Persistant storage i would use a Database and then cache it in redis
dusky sundial
What database would your recommend?
lament rock
For stuff like econ, a structured database like any SQL based solution such as MariaDB/MySQL would be very good. Redis is more for Object caching for worker nodes to access
lusty quest
Mysql, MongoDB, Postgres are the 3 most used
(atleast for Bots)
each of them got theyre ups and Downs
lament rock
MariaDB is probably the most performant SQL server
lusty quest
would not bet on it, Cassandra is also extremely fast
lament rock
Is Cassandra SQL
pale vessel
used it
lament rock
I just use Maria since it's an open fork of MySQL which means supporting the same IOPS
lusty quest
uses CQL
lament rock
You must have gotten SQL and structured confused
If you're feeling quirky, you could get away with Mongoose
lament rock
Some of the wrappers I've seen more resemble ORMs than wrappers which I don't particularly like.
lusty quest
Mongoose is nice, but if you want something faster use plain mongodb instead
one thing that is sad with mongodb is that you need a license for in memory storage engines
earnest phoenix
postgres + orm is heaven
you'll probably get the most support with postgres too due to it being oss
i fixed the issue for now using
if (!message.content.startsWith(prefix)) return;
cinder patio
Try sequelize if you are looking for an ORM
stable eagle
DeprecationWarning: collection.ensureIndex is deprecated. Use createIndexes instead.
Where can I change that?
lament rock
Read the error stack
the first frame from the top is where the error originated from
distant cobalt
How do you check if the bot has any permissions ? In djs
earnest phoenix
<message>.guild.me.hasPermission("perm");
souh why is my bot not working on other servers itโs only working in mine
Iโve updated gave it administrator perms but it still wonโt work
dusky sundial
Define "working"
dusky sundial
Like, are none of the commands working or is it offline etc.?
Okay
Well, does it print any errors when the command fails?
dusky sundial
Is there anything in your bot that's only supposed to work on your server?
earnest phoenix
Nope
dusky sundial
And the bot has permissions to send messages in the channels you're trying, yes?
earnest phoenix
Yes
dusky sundial
Pretty hard to say what the issue might be without seeing the code
earnest phoenix
Is it fine if you can take a look?
Cuz thereโs like 8 commands
And uh I can really take pics of them all
dusky sundial
I'm guessing you're doing js, which I'm not too experienced with.
solemn latch
you should use hastebin
earnest phoenix
Alrighty
earnest phoenix
I'm guessing you're doing js, which I'm not too experienced with.
He's using js
Alr
Uh wtf
I can only send in DMโs since people can copy my token or something
solemn latch
repls are public anyway even if you dont hand out the link
which is why you put your token in the environment variable
which you should do now
earnest phoenix
I didnโt but thereโs something but nvm..
solemn latch
random unused if statement on line 76 index.js if (message.content.startsWith("") )
quartz kindle
im pretty sure i told you to remove that line before lmao
earnest phoenix
@quartz kindle remember I did?
cinder patio
aliases: "dep" && "put"
earnest phoenix
Then the bot stoped working
quartz kindle
that doesnt mean it should be there
that just means you have bigger problems that are being hidden by that
earnest phoenix
Well, I canโt really do much
cinder sandal
that if statement is useless because you can't send messages with 0 characters
earnest phoenix
And uh, so why is my bot not working?
cinder sandal
do you have any errors in the log
cinder patio
two message listeners ๐
earnest phoenix
Nope
earnest phoenix
`aliases: "dep" && "put"`
Which line?
dusky sundial
So if you remove the redundant if statement, does it still not give any errors?
earnest phoenix
Thatโs why? Bruh
cinder patio
Nah that's old
cinder sandal
do any of your if statements have the prefix mentioned
earnest phoenix
I mean token
quartz kindle
lmao
solemn latch
lol
earnest phoenix
1 sec
Wtf still not working
Why does it work in my server then
But not in other servers
cinder patio
maybe it's because you don't know what you're doing... just a speculation
solemn leaf
didnt know string#green was a thing
earnest phoenix
@cinder patio but how tf does it effect the other servers???
cinder patio
if you didn't copy code from 100 different places you wouldn't be here asking us this
earnest phoenix
Well not all are copied
And it has nothing to do with that
Itโs just working on my sever
solemn leaf
not all
earnest phoenix
This is the uh invite link
solemn leaf
@ember atlas
earnest phoenix
Not advertising-
Bruh this guy-
I just wanted to show if there was something wrong with the link..
solemn leaf
How can the invite link be wrong
cinder patio
That's exactly what the problem is. You don't know what your own code does. Your index file has code from 3 different tutorials. You can't just copy and paste code from different codebases and expect it to work
earnest phoenix
@solemn leaf something with perms..
@cinder patio all commands work in my server not in others
solemn leaf
they deleted thanks continue killing people
solemn latch
Bru-
not that this is the reason your bots not working, but
if (command.staff && !message.member.hasPermission("BAN_MEMBERS")) return message.reply('You must be an administrator to execute this command!');
your telling people you must have admin, but are requiring ban members
might be confusing.
solemn leaf
wow that was stupid
ember atlas
@earnest phoenix Glad you got your answer but I unfortunately have to mute you for advertising. Sorry.
-m @earnest phoenix posting their invite link to their bot in #development without being prompted to | 3 days
gilded plankBOT
solemn latch
thats boss for you
solemn leaf
that css thou
it was so good
welp
ill see if I can find snippits of it in this discord
solemn latch
its why we generally advise users to back them up.
ember atlas
Personally if your bot isnt approved yet dont do fancy HTML, wait until its approved
solemn leaf
I had it backed up
ember atlas
In most cases after approval you'll be contacted before removal so it's better
wet dove
-atmods
gilded plankBOT
@smoky garnet
dusky sundial
Why would you tag mods for an issue with emojis? 
smoky garnet
have pr
flat pelican
Why did you ping us??
ember atlas
Why did you ping us??
emote issue
flat pelican
what's "emote issue"?
smoky garnet
was declined.
dusky sundial
flat pelican
Did you seriously ping 25 moderators for a decline in a channel where you are supposed to talk about code and app developpement?
flat pelican
that's not funny
earnest phoenix
it's the being dumb for me
smoky garnet
sorry
flat pelican
people and common sense: ๐ง
dusky sundial
I hope this guy is drunk lmao, otherwise I'm not sure anymore
there's people for everything
smoky garnet
bro there is not problem for you do you know @dusky sundial
earnest phoenix
this feels like talking to cleverbot
dusky sundial
I'm not sure what that means, but thank you?
solemn latch
oml cry
smoky garnet
solemn leaf
@earnest phoenix
earnest phoenix
help, i need a vps, can you recommend me something specific?
solemn latch
galaxygate
misty sigil
help, i need a vps, can you recommend me something specific?
something specific? sorry man, dropped my crystal ball in the car park a while back, you'll need to tell me what you need it for so i can recommend somethin
crimson vapor
something specific? sorry man, dropped my crystal ball in the car park a while b...
god damn, you gotta stop dropping it, here ya go ๐ฎ
misty sigil
thanks but its full of purple goop
earnest phoenix
Something specific, more powerful, for a complex bot, you understand?
misty sigil
ah i see
crimson vapor
thanks but its full of purple goop
yeah so it doesn't break
earnest phoenix
=)))))
solar crane
ุงูููู
earnest phoenix
Uhum
misty sigil
you could probably go for the 10/month galaxygate plan
crimson vapor
gg?
earnest phoenix
It doesn't matter the price
crimson vapor
well how many cores and threads as well as ram do you need?
earnest phoenix
Idk, 2/4/8 cores, and 4/8 gb ram
lament rock
Some VPS providers I've used are: Vultr, OVH and Contabo.
Vultr has some decent pricing for high frequency core clocks.
OVH has a low core clock with 1 core but 2GB of ram at $3.5 USD which is pretty good for a small "ram heavy" project.
Contabo has a low core clock but 4 cores and 8GB of RAM. Kinda sus pricing - $6/m for a VPS in the US but I have 2 instances through them and nothing sus yet.
earnest phoenix
Uh, thx vm
slender wagon
oh this is waht i wanted to talk about lol
earnest phoenix
Lol
lament rock
I forget which Xeons their docs say, but I imagine dual Xeons isn't relatively cheap
slender wagon
contabo doesn't include a ssl certificate?
solemn latch
dont think most vps providers do ๐ค
lament rock
Because certbot
solemn latch
vercel seems to be more web focused
lament rock
Getting an SSL cert through LetsEncrypt is literally free
slender wagon
can that be done in contabo or are u forced to buy it as a add on
solemn latch
actually vercel seems 100% web focused, rather than general VPS hosting.
letsencrypt is free always
afaik
crimson vapor
yea
lament rock
LetsEncrypt can be done on any machine running Windows or Linux. I'm not sure about the specifics of other OS'
It all depends on what you choose
slender wagon
so to get a ssl certificate you'll have to pay for it and renew it every 12 months?
lament rock
No? When did I ever mention that
solemn latch
letsencrypt auto renews it for you.
slender wagon
no i mean
solemn leaf
No Im pretty sure you can get ssl for free
slender wagon
if i use contabo
solemn latch
once you setup letsencrypt you dont have do do anything again
lament rock
If they offer paid SSL, it's probably through someone other than LetsEncrypt
slender wagon
solemn latch
yeah
lament rock
Also, pretty sure you have to run a script every so often to renew a LetsEncrypt cert. I just have a cron for it so no big deal.
slender wagon
i mean that can be done lol
solemn latch
when you setup letsencrypt pretty sure they have an option to auto renew built in, i havent done it in over a year so i dont quite remember the process.
topaz fjord
yes they do
slender wagon
is making a site using a theme and then implementing your own backend good, or should i rather work with wordpress
lament rock
Ah. Hm. Might be something new they're offering then or something I skimmed over.
Depending on what the website does, you don't need a backend other than simple HTTP request handling
slender wagon
no i mean it's like fully customized and there are alot of stuff i am sure i can't do in wordpress
topaz fjord
also you do know that the certificate isn't free right?
slender wagon
which certificate
lament rock
That's why we recommended setting up LetsEncrypt since that is free
slender wagon
Yup gotchya
charred pumice
With ytdl-core is there a way to skip to a certain part of the video?
solemn latch
did you look at the ytdl-core docs like someone said yesterday?
solemn latch
ah, yeah. iirc, they said its called skip, and it would be in the docs.
charred pumice
Ah thanks
dense flare
if a new feature of my bot needs more permissions, will everybody have to kick and reinvite the bot to use this feature?
earnest phoenix
they can edit the permission
mellow kelp
you could check for permissions before doing the new thing
and send a message saying which permissions your bot needs
dense flare
but there is no automated way to prompt the server admin to the auth2 site to accept the new permissions?
earnest phoenix
Hi how long do you have to show up bot in the search?
slim void
if a new feature of my bot needs more permissions, will everybody have to kick a...
I'd simply recommend updating it in the help command, explaining the perms they need. As well with proper error messages. No need to make people kick your bot? If someone doesn't have the right perms, they will figure it out, or join your support server.
slim void
Hi how long do you have to show up bot in the search?
Google indexed my bot in the first 2 hours. It really just depends.
earnest phoenix
oh ok thx
slim void
No problem.
earnest phoenix
How i can put a canvas buffer in new MessageEmbed().setImage()?
mellow kelp
you gotta create an attachment with the buffer
earnest phoenix
Yes
mellow kelp
then use attachFiles() to attach it and set the image to attachment://<your-attachment.png>
mellow kelp
what's your code?
earnest phoenix
earnest phoenix
and it's an array `.attachFiles([attachment])`
oh
pure lion
How can I sort an array of mongoose documents by an element inside of the documents?
mellow kelp
pretty sure Array.sort will do the trick
mellow kelp
yea
frail siren
what do we all use to host our bots?
lament rock
Depends on your needs. Do you need a lot of RAM? A multi core CPU? What's your budget? How many guilds is your bot in and how many do you expect it to be in down the line?
umbral zealot
What were you trying to do, exactly?
hoary vine
make a bot
hoary vine
idk
umbral zealot
you don't know what you're doing?
solemn latch
making your bot invite link?
umbral zealot
well there's probably not much we can help with then if you have no idea.
You were somewhere just before that screen. what was that "Somewhere"
hoary vine
when i finished verifying it showed that
umbral zealot
verifying what?
hoary vine
to add the bot
umbral zealot
Where were you Before this screen?
hoary vine
verifying to add my bot
umbral zealot
WHERE
mellow kelp
i love this channel
umbral zealot
verifying where
on what site
app
page
where were you specifically and exactly
hoary vine
mellow kelp
works fine for me
hoary vine
what
umbral zealot
remove response_type=code in the end, I don't know why you had that there but it shouldn't be there.
umbral zealot
by... using the backspace key on your keyboard...
you know like
using... the computer... 
umbral zealot
please god help me 
earnest phoenix
please god help me <:notlikethis:472133764060020759>
solemn latch
probably dont click buttons you dont know what they mean when developing stuff.
hoary vine
and its offline
solemn latch
when you where making your invite link, seems you clicked "require code grant"
hoary vine
how do i fix it being offline :/
umbral zealot
how do i fix it being offline :/
You appear to have a fundamental misconception about the nature of bots. A bot is not something you create and "get online", instead it is a program that runs on a computer somewhere and interacts with Discord's API, sort of pretending to be another user that just happens to respond automatically. A bot account you create on Discord's website is merely a (mostly) normal account that you use with the API instead of with the regular Discord client. Creating a bot account doesn't mean you automatically get a fully functioning bot for your server, you still have to write a program that actually provides the logic for the bot. This requires programming knowledge, and you must know a programming language.
hoary vine
i made code how do I add it
solemn latch
you have to run the code
hoary vine
how
hoary vine
this is my first bot
solemn latch
did you make the code, or just copy paste it ๐ค
hoary vine
made it
solemn latch
then you should know how to run it
hoary vine
yes
umbral zealot
Where did you type this code
hoary vine
should i dm the code
umbral zealot
no
hoary vine
Where did you type this code
notepad
umbral zealot
I....
rustic nova
If you made the code, you probably also know how to run it
solemn latch
my favorite code editor
umbral zealot
hoary vine
If you made the code, you probably also know how to run it
well idk how to
can you tell
rustic nova
Then you did not make the code if you don't know
umbral zealot
Here, this will help: <#development message>
solemn latch
we actually dont know either, since we dont know what language its written in
its such an open ended question no dev can answer it with the information we have
hoary vine
its in javascript
long marsh
Woah! What a day! Switched out all Discord.Collections() to leverage redis instead (leveraging Keyv). Fixed a ton of stuff ๐. Thanks for you help yesterday, Woo!
solemn latch
in your command prompt with the directory set to your bots folder it will be
node filename.js
@hoary vine
solemn latch
Woah! What a day! Switched out all Discord.Collections() to leverage redis inste...
oh man, sounds either super fun, or really frustrating.
solemn latch
yeah, its one of those days in dev 
long marsh
๐
umbral zealot
yep
hoary vine
in your command prompt with the directory set to your bots folder it will be
`n...
???
how
long marsh
๐ฌ
solemn latch
i dont know how to explain that any clearer tbh
umbral zealot
"Here I've been doing coding for like 5 minutes HELP ME NAOW"
long marsh
Next question: "What's a terminal"
hoary vine
send video
umbral zealot
I already sent you the resources.
solemn latch
videos are a bad resource for learning js and discord bots
gilded olive
discord bots specifically*
umbral zealot
There is no 5-minute video to teach you weeks/months of programming
solemn latch
lots of bad practices, old information, and misinformation
long marsh
You got it, lol
solemn latch
great minds think alike @long marsh ๐
long marsh
oh man, sounds either super fun, or really frustrating.
I leveraged keyv from the start because I knew I would need to switch out to Redis eventually. It was fairly plug and play with the .set(), .delete(), and .get() methods for the cache.
All it needed was a redis url + 3rd party redis integration
solemn latch
oh, thats lucky. honestly havent used redis yet.
umbral zealot
it's funny because that's the same methods I use on enmap and josh ๐
long marsh
And, of course, a little snippet in my docker-compose.yml file ๐
redis:
image: redis:alpine
ports:
- 6379:6379
Runs it alongside my bot docker container ๐
All my shards will open connections to the container (debatable ... should probably create an API container ... but eh)
long marsh
๐คญ
umbral zealot
sure. yes. vscode is perfect
hoary vine
it is?
hoary vine
k
long marsh
I use it ๐
umbral zealot
VSCode is used by over 50% of programmers, according to a StackOverflow survey.
long marsh
I can believe it
hoary vine
its downloading
long marsh
The only language I had trouble with using it for was Java.
gilded olive
java is more intellij
umbral zealot
yeah but that's because you should be using IntelliJ IDEA for Java ๐
umbral zealot
makes sense
long marsh
Charen, are you a software dev?
In a career sense, I mean
Feel free to not answer - prob not the place for it.
umbral zealot
In a career sense I'm currently jobless but I'm a senior react dev, yeah
umbral zealot
Backend ๐คข
long marsh
That's fair
umbral zealot
j/k I write a lot of nodejs, I'm pretty full stack tbh
long marsh
Yeah, I'd imagine
earnest phoenix
how can i get my bot off from heroku?
umbral zealot
"off from"?
gilded olive
hosting on*
mellow kelp
you mean turn off?
solemn latch
im so lost
mellow kelp
resources tab -> turn off your worker
long marsh
Barnie, are you asking how to transition your bot to another host provider or turn it off?
umbral zealot
you can turn your Application off from the heroku control panel
earnest phoenix
turn it off
mellow kelp
resources tab -> turn off your worker
this
long marsh
Yeah, there's a page that has the dyno where you can turn it off ๐
hoary vine
opening vsc
long marsh
Haha, we don't necessarily need updates of that my guy.
crimson vapor
Next message: opening folder
long marsh
๐
umbral zealot
If we start getting update every 5 minutes for the next month I'm going to lose my mind.
long marsh
At the ending of the day, they're lacking some major fundamentals. Instead of asking for help, they should be learning how to research it themselves. Of course, I don't have to tell anyone this but them ๐
gilded olive
umbral zealot
I'm going to keep telling them anyway
long marsh
๐
umbral zealot
because rule 8.4
mellow kelp
man this channel is awesome
gilded olive
https://i.imgur.com/CDDyqXy.png
![https://i.imgur.com/CDDyqXy.png![YEs]](https://i.imgur.com/CDDyqXy.png!%5BYEs%5D){kind=link}
crimson vapor
Not all the time
long marsh
Anyone else here running their bot on Docker?
long marsh
I like it for the development environment & the easy push to production. I have a full pipeline that basically just logs into the server and runs a few docker commands to respawn the application.
And, I can rollback the bot to a specific version anytime.
gilded olive
i cant even install docker on my pc 
anyways peep this https://i.imgur.com/IlFrk4W.png
crimson vapor
True itโs efficient
long marsh
And, for local development, it's easy just to build the image + run the docker container
umbral zealot
Docker's great when you share code or deploy, but like, for bots that's pretty damn overkill imho
long marsh
And, I know, it'll work on any computer.
long marsh
Docker's great when you share code or deploy, but like, for bots that's pretty d...
This is the whole reason I did it ๐
umbral zealot
yeah but how often do you need your bot to work on anything else than your dev PC or your host?
umbral zealot
I already have crap to install to get my bot running, personally I don't care much for adding more layers of complexity
mellow kelp
imagine running your bot on kubernetes
long marsh
I don't use kubernetes ๐
mellow kelp
who knows tho
long marsh
future proofing but docker probably won't be relevant in a few years
I completely disagree with this. Docker will 100% be relevant; however, there may be another abstraction on top of it that makes it easier.
umbral zealot
an abstraction layer on top of docker
mellow kelp
for now i find docker kinda overkill
umbral zealot
which is an abstraction layer on top of the OS
which is in itself an abstraction layer on top of the kernel
which abstracts the hardware
long marsh
Abstraction may have not been the best word - better API? I'm trying to say that I don't believe docker will be obsolete. The Docker CLI itself may be, but not the technology.
lament rock
I wouldn't want my application to restart when you can delete required files from require cache and then re-require and resync
uptime is pretty priceless
long marsh
I wouldn't want my application to restart when you can delete required files fro...
Wait, what context is this?
Are you for or against docker ๐
long marsh
Oh, technically, the bot never actually sees downtime. Maybe a shard will.
opal plank
fuck me, i cant think of a proper way to setup my new stuff
long marsh
Or a collection of shards
lament rock
Thats the same thing... Having to reidentify to the gateway and go towards your 1000 daily rate limit is completely unnecessary
gilded olive
fuck me, i cant think of a proper way to setup my new stuff
what's "new stuff"
long marsh
๐ค
long marsh
Thats the same thing... Having to reidentify to the gateway and go towards your ...
What would you recommend doing instead?
opal plank
what's "new stuff"
like a new command
lament rock
What language do you use
gilded olive
what does that command do
long marsh
What language do you use
JS
opal plank
stuffs with user
gilded olive
very informative
opal plank
trying to create a mail system
gilded olive
modmail?
long marsh
It doesn't matter that language though, unless you're specifically using a library.
gilded olive
wdym mail tho
gilded olive
like each user has like a inbox?
opal plank
gilded olive
oh
opal plank
yeah
gilded olive
database time
long marsh
Thats the same thing... Having to reidentify to the gateway and go towards your ...
More on this topic, how would I hit the daily rate limit? Am I not understanding something?
opal plank
i can think of plenty of ways to do it, none are good enough for my standards
lament rock
There's this thing called require.cache
It's an Object keyed by file paths which holds references to required files. you can delete entries from the cache and then re-require files and the new exported data will populate that Object. You can then sync the result of the new require with old Objects to get new references
gilded olive
you use typescript right
opal plank
correct
long marsh
There's this thing called require.cache
It's an Object keyed by file paths which...
That's interesting.
opal plank
@quartz kindle can u gib halp with logic? im too dumbo
long marsh
There's this thing called require.cache
It's an Object keyed by file paths which...
Is that the preferred method for updating long-running applications? By physically 'refreshing' the files inside the cache?
opal plank
correct, i can apply almost anything
nah i need a framework
and i cant think of a good one
implementing is easy for me
solemn leaf
Erwin
solemn leaf
Just find a good database
opal plank
imma bonk you so hard
lament rock
More on this topic, how would I hit the daily rate limit? Am I not understanding...
If one of your shards has to reidentify to the gateway, it's counted towards a 1k daily rate limit bucket. Restarting the WS connection adds to this unless you reidentify with a resume call and provide a valid session and sequence. If you hit 1000 non resuming identifies in a day, your token is reset
solemn leaf
No
opal plank
i know what im doing, i just dont know HOW to do it
if that makes sense
like i mentioned, i need a SCALABLE way
solemn leaf
Make members have a storage limit
opal plank
not the issue
solemn leaf
Hnm
lament rock
Is that the preferred method for updating long-running applications? By physical...
Employing similar solutions guarantees uptime when uptime is absolutely necessary. If your application relies on restarts to fix bugs, you need to fix your logic
solemn leaf
Whats the issue
gilded olive
hmmm