any suggestions?
#development
cerulean ingot
solemn latch
Galaxygate
severe inlet
what language is the code of ur bot?
cerulean ingot
python?
severe inlet
discord.py right
cerulean ingot
mhm
earnest phoenix
Its [text](url)
can you give me a code from example?
cerulean ingot
they just did -_-
solemn latch
That is the example
sacred aurora
[read][www.please.com]
Hey thats wrong bruh :v
cerulean ingot
yeah ik
earnest phoenix
@sacred aurora just give some code
cerulean ingot
delete that
sacred aurora
Hmm wdym
cerulean ingot
im going to see if they copy the code
earnest phoenix
I don't need the code
cerulean ingot
should i get https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734259603717750815/797539129872089088/unknown.png **galaxygate **or https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734259603717750815/797539319505485841/unknown.png vultr
fierce ether
app.set('/views', '../dashboard/views'); this dosent set views?
solemn latch
The galaxy gate has double the memory, and unlimited bandwidth for 50 cents more a month.
And 5gb more ssd space
cerulean ingot
The galaxy gate has double the memory, and unlimited bandwidth for 50 cents more...
but no ddos protection
solemn latch
If your ip isn't being shared, you probably won't be ddosed.
cerulean ingot
hmm
solemn leaf
yeah why the hell would you need ddos protection
gilded olive
bc people are stupid
cerulean ingot
what
gilded olive
I remember carl bot got ddosed one time
solemn leaf
how do you ddos a bot
cerulean ingot
you can ddos a vps
solemn leaf
hey do you get the bot to open your link
legit
how would you get the ip from nothing
quartz kindle
ddos protection is only relevant for public facing services
a discord bot is not public facing
but a dashboard for a discord bot could be
cerulean ingot
yeah theres no db
gilded olive
how would you get the ip from nothing
if you create a command that lets the bot scrape the web and go to different sites and take screenshots
you could make it go to whatismyip.com
gilded olive
but I doubt that would be the actual IP
solemn leaf
image generation like using canvas too
vagrant mist
Owo
true ravine
Are there the equivalent of sql injection attacks on mongodb or can I just throw whatever info I want into it?
cinder patio
whatever info you want
umbral zealot
apparently it can be a thing
no system is perfectly safe. It's best not to pretend they are, and start doing research on them.
earnest phoenix
true ravine
<https://severalnines.com/database-blog/securing-mongodb-external-injection-atta...
Wow thanks for linking that article
earnest phoenix
Has this been coded right LMfao?
sand condor
no
earnest phoenix
@sand condor I knew that lol
sand condor
ok
cinder patio
suure
earnest phoenix
@cinder patio yes I knew it wouldn’t work bruh
cinder patio
then why did you ask?
umbral zealot
If you want to see if code works, run it
solemn leaf
why do you format like that
earnest phoenix
Well, I tried to make my own command for the first time by documents LOL
umbral zealot
why do you format like that
Because he has no idea how to format code either way.
earnest phoenix
Where can I see the format?
solemn leaf
well most of the time
umbral zealot
you'd need a proper editor that's not a browser on an iPhone for that
crimson vapor
umm
sand condor
it is on the function
solemn leaf
I meant for makign it look nice
earnest phoenix
@crimson vapor commands like, mute, unmute, unban like not the coding but the format
umbral zealot
That's something you can learn from experience, how to make your code readable
Unless you mean the features available in discord.js which is just... in the documentation.
crimson vapor
like
function() {
code().then(() =>{
})
}``` looks uglyI am still learning
crimson vapor
and should be formatted?
crimson vapor
if vsc just press shift alt f iirc
umbral zealot
ok but what do yo umean
solemn leaf
you could use beautify
umbral zealot
what exactly are you asking
earnest phoenix
Like,
umbral zealot
How to make it prettier?
umbral zealot
So what, use your words....
earnest phoenix
Like mute it starts with something and goes all the way down like a format like that to show me which line I should put the coding to make it work
Yea it’s kinda hard to explain
cinder patio
That's not what's meant by format
umbral zealot
do you mean the spaces on the left of the code?
true ravine
I think they want a "fill in the blanks" of the commands
cinder patio
format is just how your code looks.
solemn leaf
Should I make a file for handling mutes in a db
cinder patio
where to put the code is the logic
umbral zealot
And how to use the special characters like () or [] or . is called "syntax"
It's a bit like grammar for code
mellow kelp
hm yes
earnest phoenix
@cinder patio like, if I put the lines randomly then it wouldn’t work like I need to use a format kinda. So like that
mellow kelp
gramer
earnest phoenix
Get what I mean?
umbral zealot
"put the lines randomly"? wat
It sounds like you're asking how to learn programming, as a whole.
earnest phoenix
No it’s not that
true ravine
One of the key things for beginners to learn is how async works because it's different to the synchronous code you may have learned at school or something
umbral zealot
And that's done by actual experience and literal learning which you still haven't done
earnest phoenix
Ima try to explain it with the best words I got
crimson vapor
your first language is english?
umbral zealot
IF you can't even express your problem it means you don't understand enough about programming to even form that sentence, and that means you still gotta lot to learn
earnest phoenix
@crimson vapor what??.
cinder patio
I know what you mean - code gets executed from top to bottom
you don't put your code randomly - you put it in an order that makes sense
crimson vapor
I had that problem with I was trying to type something in ts
I didn't know enough to explain what I wanted
earnest phoenix
you don't put your code randomly - you put it in an order that makes sense
EXACTLY!
That’s what I mean
crimson vapor
turs out it was just export = class
earnest phoenix
Yea well, bot how would I know lol?
crimson vapor
should you check if a user is cached or if there are args first?
craggy pine
Learning the coding language
crimson vapor
Learning the coding language
hi Miyuka
earnest phoenix
I’m still learning
craggy pine
earnest phoenix
Uh lol
true ravine
You don't put a cake in the oven before you've mixed the ingredients in a bowl, it's common sense to a certain extent
solemn leaf
@umbral zealot I think its left to right
mellow kelp
bruh imagine a programming language that reads code from bottom to top and right to left
solemn leaf
nah my code is writen in manga
mellow kelp
someone ought to create that
earnest phoenix
@umbral zealot can ya send the uh documents again? I can’t find them
crimson vapor
umbral zealot
earnest phoenix
@umbral zealot @crimson vapor thanks
fair axle
+1
mellow kelp
watch fireship's yt channel too
earnest phoenix
@mellow kelp who’s that?
mellow kelp
the guy's videos are really simple to understand
fair axle
don't watch any video just read docs
fair axle
It is the best way to learn
crimson vapor
@mellow kelp btw I got my bot using 6mb heapUsed
craggy pine
I never suggest any "Bot making tutorials" without knowing the coding language first.
craggy pine
Imagine me making my own codes lol
then remove "Coder" from your name
earnest phoenix
@craggy pine I’m still learning I won’t really like to uh change my mane :(.
crimson vapor
my bot got me into js so imo its not bad
earnest phoenix
Name*
craggy pine
earnest phoenix
cinder patio
Before you learn in what order to put the code, you must know what it does
crimson vapor
but you need to understand how to search problems
and understand answers
my internet slow
mellow kelp
learn how to google
earnest phoenix
Yes yes
mellow kelp
thats really important ngl
nocturne flint
Any one python developer here
solemn leaf
send code
nocturne flint
gilded olive
Any one python developer here
yea wassup
nocturne flint
@gilded olive you are a python developer
opal plank
okay now this is fun
solemn leaf
wdym
opal plank
auto generated types
from my database
simply input the table name, and the primary column name, and it generates a full d.ts file for the declarations
trim saddle
@crimson vapor could you send me an example of the body you send to when sending a file
opal plank
never again updating code to adjust for new character nor updates for it, add to database and let the rest handle it dynamically
crimson vapor
<@!277183033344524288> could you send me an example of the body you send to when...
yea one sec
// message = new FormData();
const req = await this.#shard.client.api().channels[this.id].messages.post({
method: 'POST',
body: message,
headers: {
'Content-Type': message.getHeaders()['content-type']
},
parser: (_) => (_)
});
if (req.code !== undefined) throw new Error(req.message)
return new (require('./Message'))(req, this.#shard);```no i mean the body
crimson vapor
body is just formdata
fast trench
why won't this delete the message I send? First time ever having this problem
client.on(`message`, async message => {
console.log(1)
if (message.author.bot) return;
const channel = message.guild.channels.cache.find(c => c.id === '797559702783131680')
console.log(2)
const embed = new MessageEmbed()
.setTitle(`Suggestion by: ${message.author.username}`)
.setDescription(message.content)
.setFooter(process.env.FOOTER)
.setColor(process.env.COLOR)
.setTimestamp()
console.log(3)
let msg = await channel.send(embed);
console.log(4)
await msg.react(`👍`);
console.log(5)
await msg.react(`👎`);
console.log(6)
await message.delete;
});```message.delete is a function
nocturne flint
we can help
Bro how can get a person how invite the members
pulsar sonnet
can anyone assist me with python code I'm not a bot developer but I payed for someone to make one for me and I can't seem to fix the error codes nor do I understand them.
nocturne flint
@gilded olive Bro how can get a person how invite the members
buoyant aspen
anyone know if Google will index URLs that 301 redir to a discord login page?
eternal osprey
hey guys
gilded olive
<@433026067050266634> Bro how can get a person how invite the members
what?
gilded olive
can anyone assist me with python code I'm not a bot developer but I payed for so...
what error
eternal osprey
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is below " + buyPrice,
message = "Current price is " + str(price),
app_icon = "test.jpg",
timeout = 100
)
b=b+1
s=0
elif(float(price) > float(sellPrice)) :
if(s==0):
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is above " + sellPrice,
message = "Current Stock price is " + str(price),
app_icon = "test.jpg",
timeout = 100```why is it giving me that error?
cinder sandal
are you sure that the image exists
eternal osprey
yup
pulsar sonnet
what error
Thanks for the reply can I dm you the issue?
gilded olive
Thanks for the reply can I dm you the issue?
sure
stark abyss
i found a selfbot that's streaming anime 24/7 
eternal osprey
```js
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is be...
any help?
eternal osprey
i found a selfbot that's streaming anime 24/7 <a:anime:720778691726016542>
aren't selfbots illegal?
stark abyss
yes
eternal osprey
ah you are just using it to test or something.
I guess it is good then?
Idk tbh. Have fun tho 😉
solemn leaf
illegal?
stark abyss
banned from discord
solemn leaf
doesnt make it illegal
rustic nova
i found a selfbot that's streaming anime 24/7 <a:anime:720778691726016542>
Pov: you're cringing because someone made a 24/7 anime selfbot
gilded olive
no cringe
cerulean ingot
best vps hosting under $5?
solemn leaf
cerulean ingot
which one do you recommend from that list
cerulean ingot
but it doesnt have ddos protection
misty sigil
slap it behind cf
misty sigil
if you're hosting a site on it, yea
cerulean ingot
what
misty sigil
or you're hosting a site elsewhere and wanna just slap a dns record to it
pulsar sonnet
anyone willing to fix some python code im willing to pay.
solemn leaf
anyone willing to fix some python code im willing to pay.
I mean everyone here will do for free
eternal osprey
```js
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is be...
if that is the case, could somebody help me with this py error?
sudden geyser
anyone willing to fix some python code im willing to pay.
Wait, you guys are getting paid? /s
valid holly
Did anyone try to figure out a way to assign roles after the member screening feature ?
eternal osprey
if that is the case, could somebody help me with this py error?
i guess there aren't a lot of people that know py
cerulean ingot
with ddos pretection
with ddos protaction
without ddos protection
which one should i buy
true ravine
Do you need DDoS protection?
true ravine
If you don't need it right now there's no point paying for it
If you need it in a couple months most hosting sites let you add it on
true ravine
If they don't you can always just copy and paste everything over, although galaxygate do allow upgrades without having to do that
Idk about vultr because I've never considered them
cerulean ingot
whats hostname
eternal osprey
1st is bultr second 2 are galaxygate
galaxygate is a good one tho
i have bought the vps too
w/o ddos protection as i won't really need it..
solemn latch
Its the name of the vps.
cerulean ingot
oh
true ravine
Yeah Tim says good things about galaxygate
cerulean ingot
so i can make it anything
true ravine
Ye ^
solemn latch
Almost everyone says good things about galaxygate.
cerulean ingot
yeah lmao
eternal osprey
Galaxygate has great support and help you out with all problems
solemn latch
^
cerulean ingot
what ubuntu version should i use
true ravine
Is that a server advertisement?? :o
cerulean ingot
no
eternal osprey
when i actually uploaded my first website they gave me a free domain name lmao
valid holly
Galaxygate restocked vps services ?
solemn latch
Any recent lts version
eternal osprey
what ubuntu version should i use
20.04 LTS
solemn latch
They restock a few times a month typically
true ravine
It really doesn't make any difference as long as it gets security updates
18.04 works fine, but 20.04 also works
eternal osprey
The only thing you have to do when you receive your VPS is updating everything.
the node, packages, etc were really outdated
valid holly
I prefer galaxygate over other providers for the bandwith cap
eternal osprey
anyone here good with py?
true ravine
My aws instance is so broken because I'm running at like 90% disk usage so I can just about update packages 
marble juniper
which one should i buy
don't really think you need ddos protection unless you expose ur server ip in dns stuff or elsewhere
solemn latch
They also don't install fail2ban or firewalls by default, which i kind of prefer
marble juniper
or ur stupid and do a cross origin leak
cerulean ingot
anyone here good with py?
me
cerulean ingot
mhm
eternal osprey
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is below " + buyPrice,
message = "Current price is " + str(price),
app_icon = "test.jpg",
timeout = 100
)
b=b+1
s=0
elif(float(price) > float(sellPrice)) :
if(s==0):
notification.notify(
title = "Price of your stock is above " + sellPrice,
message = "Current Stock price is " + str(price),
app_icon = "test.jpg",
timeout = 100```owh my bad then. It was 20.04.
true ravine
I've been trying to load my repository into vscode with the extension but it only loads the main branch and not the one I actually want. I've deleted and re-tried about 5 times now and it's not fun anymore
It works fine on my other repo
Just not the one I want to use ffs
silent cloud
Yo guys
Can somebody help me pls
I have this error
When im using command *pokemon
I need to guess Pokémon
If it doesn't this what i wrote
It should write about this, but i have an error
sudden geyser
The error means you tried to do something on a message that didn't exist.
true ravine
It might be because you're not correctly giving it your guess message
silent cloud
See code
silent cloud
Collector can do a memory leaks
sudden geyser
actually nvm
sudden geyser
Nah, it was wrong.
silent cloud
Oh, ok
sudden geyser
vsc is annoying to config
true ravine
Don't you just love getting locked out of your own repo by vscode
It's my favourite situation
pastel horizon
Hey guys please who know a free VPS just for hosting a bot?
pure lion
Pay.
true ravine
If you have a debit or credit card you can use AWS free tier for a year
pastel horizon
Ooooooof
eternal osprey
are you sure test.jpg is in the path youre saying its in
it is
pure lion
Check the pins
true ravine
The only good free ones are the free trials of the paid ones
pastel horizon
Paying on a VPS than we don't know it's sure
true ravine
Yeah pins
eternal osprey
Check the pins
me?
hasty mulch
Does VSC work with Linux? Specifically a Raspberry Pi?
fierce ether
req.session.guildsif this returns undefined what could it means?
silent cloud
Hey guys please who know a free VPS just for hosting a bot?
Bro
Pls do not use FREE VPS
ITS A TRAP
:D
solemn latch
If your using a free vps, Google f1 micros are decent low end for being free.
hasty mulch
Does VSC work with Linux? Specifically a Raspberry Pi?
Tag me if you know
solemn latch
Tag me if you know
On raspberry pi a lighter weight code editor would be a good idea
pastel horizon
I just don't have bank card and no PayPal money
hasty mulch
On raspberry pi a lighter weight code editor would be a good idea
I’ll stay with Thonny then
solemn latch
I just don't have bank card and no PayPal money
Bank cards are generally free. No reason not to get one if you are older than 14.
pulsar sonnet
Anyone familiar with hosting on a rasp pi
lucid prawn
im having errors
it said
cannot load default config file
and it going offline
silent cloud
What i can use to delete last message?
Discord.js
Msg.delete used, but doesnt helps
mellow kelp
what do you mean by last message
mellow kelp
what exactly do you want to delete
mellow kelp
do you mean deleting the user's response?
silent cloud
Yea
mellow kelp
just call delete() on the user's response message
mellow kelp
yeah because you're calling it on the command message
you have to call the delete() method on the user response, not the command
silent cloud
msg.author.delete();?
crimson vapor
No
lucid prawn
im having errors
it said
cannot load default config file
and it going offline
mellow kelp
like
lucid prawn
how i fix
mellow kelp
do you use awaitResponse?
silent cloud
Yes
mellow kelp
and you're using it to get the user response right?
silent cloud
Yep
silent cloud
You crashed my windows (head)
How i can delete this :/
Road discord.js.org but nothing found
mellow kelp
you should have a message object with the user response
or something like that
what's your code?
mellow kelp
okay so
you see attempts.first() right?
that's a message
since you're directly accessing the message content, it'd be better to store the actual message in a variable first
then you can call delete() on that message
silent cloud
ohhhh i neex answer.delete();?
mellow kelp
if that's how you'll name the variable, yes
silent cloud
Ok, ty
mellow kelp
np
silent cloud
Answer.delete is not a function :/
mellow kelp
what do you have in your answer variable?
mellow kelp
yeah
mellow kelp
that doesn't delete the user's response
silent cloud
silent cloud
Yea
long marsh
Out of curiosity, does anyone see a slight increase in ram usage overtime using DiscordJS? When I restart the application, it always reset it back to the baseline 38 - 45% memory usage. But, overtime, it increases forever until it physically runs out of memory.
silent cloud
Memory leaks
long marsh
Definitely
solemn latch
or just caching without ever clearing it.
long marsh
I just don't know the proper ways of debugging a Discord bot using NodeJs 😬
silent cloud
Im just made a cache cleaner
long marsh
I've checked every single one of my Cache-based functions. They all either have setTimeout ... or leverage the built-in removal function (KeyV)
solemn latch
what about discord.js's cache
solemn latch
well, djs is known for not giving a lot of cache clearing options.
long marsh
😢
solemn latch
which is why its really not recommended for medium to large bots.
long marsh
Interesting.
What do most bots use? Or do they just write their own library to interface with the Discord API?
"Great control", I guess
solemn latch
discordjs-lite is super op for dealing with it until you start getting to large bots.
silent cloud
My friend very popular bot using C#
:D
He said thats rly trash code, and trash language
long marsh
C#, trash? I don't necessarily agree with that.
silent cloud
Xd
long marsh
My bot, as of right now, is roughly in 115 servers.
silent cloud
Khm
solemn latch
how much ram are you using 🤔
long marsh
Before I do a planned marketing campaign, I didn't want to blow up my server 😬
long marsh
how much ram are you using 🤔
Pulling it up now 👍
Btw, I do appreciate your help / advice on this
Heh, 1GB
solemn latch
do you happen to have the load all members on startup thing on?
long marsh
Is that referring to the privileged intent?
long marsh
Damn, let me check that. I don't believe so. I'm also not exclusively using DiscordJS. I'm also leveraging Commando.
Negative.
solemn latch
well, even with discord.js you probably shouldnt hit 1gb of ram on 115 guilds.
long marsh
Keep in mind, I'm also running docker.
solemn latch
ah, whats your ram usage just for the bot.
long marsh
You know, that's a great question that I'm not certain I have too much insight too.
I'm sure I do, I just don't have the reporting methods in place.
solemn latch
then it might not even be your bot using all that ram.
long marsh
Here is my memory usage for both docker + the bot. It's also technically running a webhook port as well. Each one of those 'dips' are when an automated update happened (DevOps pipeline that takes the GitHub release code and pushes out a new container / removes the existing)
It always steadily increases.
And it always dips back down to roughly 38% (except most recently)
CPU is only at like .2% lol
solemn latch
so the memory usage drops significantly every time the container is restarted?
long marsh
so the memory usage drops significantly every time the container is restarted?
Yep, precisely.
Oh, sorry. Ha
Makes me believe it's a memory leak.
solemn latch
so then its the container probably not the bot?
long marsh
But the bot itself + cache runs within the container 🤔
long marsh
Oh, my fault.
I don't expect you to know the answer or anything. I was really just wondering if anyone else had these pitfalls when developing on DiscordJS / CommandoJS. I'm starting to think it's something peculiar that I'm doing. Probably one of the scenarios of 'you got a memory leak here, idiot'.
I could slap a bandaid on it and have a CRON job destroy the current container and such, but that's not scalable.
solemn latch
honestly, if it was me, i would setup a test bot that's just a clone of the bot, and remove the main likely causes for this problem and slowly add them until you find the root cause.
Or, someone smarter than me will be around eventually with a better plan.
long marsh
Heh, I appreciate your advice! Yeah, these types of issues seem difficult to pinpoint.
crimson vapor
Heh, I appreciate your advice! Yeah, these types of issues seem difficult to pin...
hello Thomas
long marsh
Hello!
pulsar sonnet
Still looking for help if anyone knows anything about hosting python on raspberry pi
crimson vapor
you should be able to just put ubuntu server on it then run it like you normally run something
silver lintel
let board = [];
for (let i = 0; i < 12; i++) board.push(["_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_", "_"]);
board[randomNumber(0, 11)][randomNumber(0, 11)] = "O";
function spawnApple() {
let options = [];
for (let i = 0; i < 12; i++) {
for (let j = 0; j < 12; j++) {
console.log(i, j) // 0 0
if (options[i][j] === "_") options.push({ x: j, y: i });
}
}
if (options) {
let chosen = options[randomNumber(0, options.length)];
board[chosen.y][chosen.x] = "a";
}
}
spawnApple();
``` give an error `(node:127) UnhandledPromiseRejectionWarning: TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined`which line is that error pointing to?
quartz kindle
show your randomNumber function
silver lintel
if (options[i][j] === "_") options.push({ x: j, y: i });
ok
randomNumber: (min, max) => Math.round(Math.random() * (Number(max) - Number(min))) + Number(min)
crimson vapor
hello Tim
silver lintel
wait oh yes
quartz kindle
you have options[i][j] while options is still []
silver lintel
yes, i emant to put board
crimson vapor
nested loops are O(n^2) right?
mellow kelp
yeah im pretty sure
crimson vapor
yikes
pulsar sonnet
@crimson vapor is there a guide I can follow?
crimson vapor
for?
quartz kindle
what is the operating system installed in your PI?
pulsar sonnet
unbuntu
crimson vapor
oh
quartz kindle
then just google how to install python in ubuntu
crimson vapor
best bet search digital ocean python on ubuntu
thats what I do
digitial ocean X on ubuntu 16.04
since im on 16.04
pulsar sonnet
mine is default on debian
crimson vapor
if you are using raspian you can just search intall python on raspian
pulsar sonnet
Maybe I wasn't be specific enough I'm running it on python code on raspian already it runs and the bot can run like 1 command the rest has error
solemn latch
sounds like your codes erroring, which typically isnt because of your platform.
lyric mountain
I don't expect you to know the answer or anything. I was really just wondering i...
see if JS doesn't have some kind of profiler
if it has one, then it will give u estimate memory usage of each function
solemn latch
Maybe I wasn't be specific enough I'm running it on python code on raspian alrea...
for code errors, its generally best to provide the relevant code, the error, what you have tried to fix it, and maybe what line the error points to.
pulsar sonnet
I'm running it via thonny all i know is that it can't find the folder cog
sorry if it's a bad picture it's on the raspberry pi so i can screenshot
can't*
long marsh
see if JS doesn't have some kind of profiler
That's great to know! I'm sure it does have some sort of profiler, I'm just not aware of it 😄
quartz kindle
js profiling is a pain tho
long marsh
Just curious on your thoughts, Tim, did you see the message thread above? #development message
solemn latch
whats on line 255 https://i.imgur.com/cdi9GtO.png
quartz kindle
you need to run node in inspect mode, and then connect to it from a chrome-based browser, then use dev tools to inspect the node process remotely
long marsh
Your bot was developed in JS, right? Did you experience any problems such as that?
quartz kindle
i had issues with discord.js caching, thats why i made discord.js-light
pulsar sonnet
whats on line 255 https://i.imgur.com/cdi9GtO.png
i can send you the .py so you can see yourself??
long marsh
imagine
It may have been a bad decision to opt for CommandoJS; however, it really helped speed up development.
earnest phoenix
How I get the bot developer role
quartz kindle
i've never used commando so i cant say anything about it, but im pretty sure it shouldnt be leaking
lyric mountain
I like making command managers, like, you can be very creative about it
quartz kindle
How I get the bot developer role
by adding a bot to top.gg
earnest phoenix
by adding a bot to top.gg
I did
quartz kindle
@long marsh how much ram is your bot using? and how many guilds?
long marsh
115 guilds, 1GB server
lyric mountain
my current manager creates command classes at runtime, then destroy after usage
long marsh
But, I'm also running Docker.
quartz kindle
1gb total or 1gb used?
lyric mountain
was trying to make it hotswap, but I don't want to step in hell
quartz kindle
how much is it actually using? ie: try evaling process.memoryUsage()
long marsh
Oh, sorry. Using about 39% when the container is freshly created ... creeps up indefinitely (about 1% per every few hours)
But, that's inclusive of everything ... not exclusively the bot.
quartz kindle
are you using intents?
long marsh
Nope
quartz kindle
do you have members/presences enabled in your dev portal?
long marsh
My bot isn't verified - so a lot of that was unavailable. Let me check.
quartz kindle
they should be available while the bot is unverified
they become unavailable once the bot is verified, unless the bot specifically asks for them during verification and its accepted
long marsh
NOTE: Once your bot reaches 100 or more servers, this will require Verification and whitelisting. Read more here
I can't enable it, lol
lyric mountain
you can enable the intents after approval, but it'll lock the bot if you didn't ask for permission
been there, done that
long marsh
I've never enabled them, and they're still 'greyed' out
lyric mountain
weird
quartz kindle
eitherway its fine
long marsh
Right
quartz kindle
better have them disabled
lyric mountain
does JS have a garbage collector?
quartz kindle
yes
long marsh
They temporarily lifted the server maximum to 250 and closed down the applications
For the holidays
lyric mountain
you could call GC once every hour
quartz kindle
you cant call gc
lyric mountain
meh
quartz kindle
js's gc is abstracted and automated, there is no access to it
long marsh
What language are you using, Kuu, that allows for that?
lyric mountain
java
quartz kindle
unless you use some special flags to expose it in node
long marsh
Java gives you access to the garbage collector? Ngl, I kinda forget about that if that's the case.
lyric mountain
you can't "force" gc, but you can make it rerun
long marsh
I don't want to mess with the garbage collector directly though ... seems like bad practice ... even for monitoring purposes.
lyric mountain
which effectively garbage collects
quartz kindle
@long marsh you said you were running some functions to clean up some caches?
lyric mountain
like, I call it every hour because I never reach anywhere near my memory limit, so GC stays sleeping most of the time
just to clean stuff
long marsh
Every single instance of Cache.set() (only like 3) has a setTimeout(Cache.delete(), whateverTime) ... and every single KeyV Cache.set(k, v, duration) 'set' operation has a duration.
In my code, I mean.
lyric mountain
oh, wow
quartz kindle
discord.js caches everything
quartz kindle
client.users.cache, client.channels.cache, client.guilds.cache
guild.members.cache
long marsh
Hmmm...
quartz kindle
channel.messages
etc
all of those are stored in memory
and discord.js keeps them there
long marsh
Those inevitably grow over time right?
long marsh
Oh, wait. It caches messages?
long marsh
Oh, damn. That could very well be the problem.
lyric mountain
200 per channel is a lot
long marsh
Can I modify that limit?
long marsh
I honestly don't need to cache more than like ... 5
Does it directly read the latest 200 messages in a channel .. or does it cache the messages 1-by-1?
quartz kindle
long marsh
As they happen, I mean.
quartz kindle
it caches as they happen
lyric mountain
and mod logs
long marsh
I figured.
quartz kindle
it doesnt load past messages
long marsh
Yea, that's seems bad to do.
quartz kindle
same for users/members
long marsh
Right. See, I don't use snipe at all. Would there be a point to caching any messages
lyric mountain
well, no
quartz kindle
with the recent changes with intents, you no longer start with online members cached at login
you start only with your bot and voice channel members
so as your bot receives messages, it caches the users and members as they come
long marsh
This has been incredibly insightful, Tim. I appreciate that. I bet that's honestly what it is.
lyric mountain
so as your bot receives messages, it caches the users and members as they come
so setting message caching to 1 would still trigger member cache, right?
long marsh
The things you learn from reading documentation ... IMAGINE.
quartz kindle
setting to 0 and -1 too
quartz kindle
ye
lyric mountain
dangerous stuff
long marsh
0 would mean ... cache nothing ... right?
quartz kindle
ye
long marsh
I really don't see the point in caching messages 🤔 ...
quartz kindle
also, stable still has messageEditHistoryMaxSize
long marsh
With my bot's implementation, of course.
quartz kindle
which they removed in master
but for now better set messageEditHistoryMaxSize to something like 1 or 0 too, because its -1 by default
long marsh
Tim, do you still have that documentation handy? If not, I can simply google the client API reference.
If it's still open on a tab though, that would be great if you could slip it to me 😄
long marsh
Yeah, I know. I didn't know if you had that specific link handy.
Pure laziness on my part.
Thanks!
quartz kindle
lul
long marsh
messageCacheLifetime .. set to 0 by default?
long marsh
Gotcha, I got it now.
That would be the reason to change that to something else.
If you wanted to sweep yourself.
I gotcha 👍
quartz kindle
like if limit is 200, and you're at 50, and from those 50, 20 are older than 60 seconds, and you set lifetime to 60 seconds and sweep time to 60 seconds
long marsh
Sounds legit
quartz kindle
every minute will also check for that, and remove the 20 older out of the 50, even if not close to the limit yet
long marsh
Sounds like it would add a lot of processing overhead, though.
Maybe not too much, but some 🤷♂️
quartz kindle
a bit yeah
long marsh
Tim, I bet your right though. I was sitting over here thinking I had a memory leak (which is still plausible) ... but this will hopefully show some results.
long marsh
Lol, so is discordpy
long marsh
I know, lmao
trim saddle
discord.py is easier to read than d.js
long marsh
Debatable
earnest phoenix
anyone here use python? I Need help 😦
long marsh
CommandJS is a nice read
long marsh
I switched from discordpy to discordjs. I developed much more quickly on it.
And, I'm a Python Developer in my day job role 😄
If anything, I lacked NodeJS experience and still ended up developing on it way more quicker.
quartz kindle
bot developing is much better now after the discord changes
trim saddle
i write typescript and i work at mcdonalds
long marsh
Believe it or not, I actually have a friend who is a software developer for McDonalds 😄
trim saddle
as someone building his own lib and looked at other libs for examples, d.py's code seems more readable
long marsh
Outside of the restaurant chain, the company benefits are great.
quartz kindle
even if the libraries still stack memory like crazy, the fact that intents exist and that members and presences are no longer enabled by default in the dev portal makes it so that most bots out there should run significantly lighter today that they would last year
long marsh
Yep, agree.
quartz kindle
Believe it or not, I actually have a friend who is a software developer for McDo...
what does mcdonalds need software for? engineering burgers? xD
long marsh
You guys should see my deployment pipeline 😄
long marsh
what does mcdonalds need software for? engineering burgers? xD
Haha! POS systems (point of sale), their website, McDonalds app
quartz kindle
cool stuff
long marsh
Even the music in the restaurant is powered by something that the Developers did.
quartz kindle
wants there a guy who figured out a way to get a free burger with POS?
long marsh
Oh, and the self kiosks too.
That's what my friend works on.
But seriously, he has discounted McDonalds lol
quartz kindle
the guy figured out that if you got a cheeseburger but removed all ingredients from it, the grand total would be minus 10 cents or something
long marsh
He never uses it though ... because that food is borderline poison.
long marsh
🤷♂️
quartz kindle
so he bought 10 chesseburgers with no ingredients, and 1 normal cheeseburger
crimson vapor
especially the hashbrowns
quartz kindle
and the grand total was 0
crimson vapor
did the 10 with nothing go -?
quartz kindle
yes
long marsh
So, Tim, leveraging the messageCacheSize: 0 or something should clear up my ram issues for now?
I should probably screw around with that ... idk what side effects that has.
quartz kindle
long marsh
LOLOLOL
quartz kindle
So, Tim, leveraging the `messageCacheSize: 0` or something _should_ clear up my ...
possibly some of them
long marsh
My friend doesn't work with that system, so, not his problem 🤷♂️
quartz kindle
xD
djs's caching issues come from several places, some of the worst offenders are users, members, channels, presences and messages
long marsh
May I entertain you with another question, Tim?
Or at least, another question for your insight?
quartz kindle
ya
long marsh
I'm leveraging the Patreon Bot & my 'community' server to handle the paid role access. My bot is going to load all the members with those specific roles upon startup (requires a privileged intent) ... then is going to listen out for "onRoleGiven" (or whatever the api call is 😄 )
The thing is, how will I know which shard that particular sever is on?
Do I need to run an if/else condition across all the shards upon start up?
if (server id is in the cache of the shard){
const members = loadAllDemMembersWithTheRoleBoi();
addToCacheBois(members);
}
guilds have a .shardID prop
long marsh
👀
But, how do you know which shard contains the guild?
Can you just do a guild lookup and it'll tell you which shard it's on?
quartz kindle
you can use the formula for sharding
long marsh
Even if you're doing the lookup from a shard it's not on?
quartz kindle
i believe discord.js added it recently to the shard class
let me check
client.shard.shardIDForGuildID
assuming you're using the sharding manager
long marsh
Wow!
That's awesome.
Yeah, I'm using the shardingmanager
This is great, man. I appreciate that!
quartz kindle
if you have the members with the roles stored in a database, you dont need the members intent to fetch them
long marsh
Yeah, but how would you recommend I go about that 👀
stark abyss
let emojis = {C2: '', C3: ''}
[ 'H2', 'C4' ] --> player array
console.log(emojis.player[0])
TypeError: Cannot read property '0' of undefined
Unsure how to fix
if I just do emojis.H2 it works
sudden geyser
But emojis is a key/value object
quartz kindle
Yeah, but how would you recommend I go about that 👀
guild.members.fetch({ user: ['66564597481480192', '191615925336670208'] })
this should support up to 100 members per request without the intent
stark abyss
yeah what about it?
sudden geyser
It doesn't have a player key
stark abyss
player[0] = H2
I want to do emojis.H2
quartz kindle
emojis[player[0]]
sudden geyser
oh that's what you wanted
stark abyss
oh thank you
long marsh
`guild.members.fetch({ user: ['66564597481480192', '191615925336670208'] })`
thi...
But, I don't know who the members are
quartz kindle
thats why i said, if you had them saved in a database or something
long marsh
Ah, I'm sorry. I originally was asking, how would you go about placing premium members into a database without first knowing if they're assigned the role?
Patreon possibly has a webhook that could send me the information over ... but that's slightly unreliable.
I just didn't see a better programmatical way of determining who's a premium user without first looking at the role 🤔
quartz kindle
you will need to fetch all members to find out which of the existing members have a role
there is a way to do that without the intent, but its limited to 100 members at a time
long marsh
Instead of fetching all members from the server ... can I just exclusively fetch only specific roles? It may not work like that though 😢
quartz kindle
unfortunately discord does not offer a way to fetch members by role
long marsh
Lame
imagine
I'm legit only enabling that intent for the community server. It won't physically require fetchingAllUsers except for that one use case ... which kinda sucks.
mellow kelp
yea kinda sucks
i guess it needs the intent because it implicates fetching members without a specific id
quartz kindle
if you dont have lots of people with the role, start it by manually adding them to a database
then continue from there
and have future members be automatically added
long marsh
But, you guys do agree that intent is required to basically make it programmatical ... right?
quartz kindle
let me test something
mellow kelp
But, you guys do agree that intent is required to basically make it programmatic...
unless you got specific member ids, yeah its required
long marsh
😢
mellow kelp
cri
solemn latch
i know patreon lets you fill in your discord name, do they have an endpoint for that?
https://docs.patreon.com/#paging-through-a-list-of-pledges
social_connections
long marsh
As far as I know, they allow individual users to link their discord account to their patreon profile. Then, when a tier is purchased, their bot (which sits in my server) adds them. They do expose an endpoint for that, but I'm not sure I would receive that information is the user isn't already linked.
Ah, yeah. I could comb through the pledge api.
Hmmmmm.... good suggestion.
Possibly worth a try.
solemn latch
well, they allow you to fetch all supporters
solemn latch
then just use the webhook while its online.
periodically maybe refetch them all too just in case.
long marsh
Eh, I may just fetch them all every interval / so often
I don't want to rely on the 'push' architecture ... since it relies heavily on the bot being up & the communication being solid between Patreon / me
Damn, look at me .. getting straight tunnel vision on this problem. Yeah, I forgot that Patreon allows me to comb through the pledges. Thanks for thinking outside the box on that one, Woo!
quartz kindle
ye apparently discord disabled access to the members endpoint in the rest api
long marsh
Yep
quartz kindle
so its no longer possible to fetch members without the intent
long marsh
Yeppers
That's what I was saying earlier 😄
It was greyed out for me.
It requires that intent.
long marsh
It was a super recent change 👍
mellow kelp
yea probably
long marsh
Dec, maybe
mellow kelp
it makes sense tho
long marsh
Definitely
mellow kelp
fetching the WHOLE list of members from a guild definitely isn't something a malicious bot should be able to do
long marsh
Yep.
Makes sense to me
Honestly, I'm surprised it went this long being the way it was.
mellow kelp
yea true
quartz kindle
discord was supposed to be a platform that offers complete freedom
but when you get big, people start pressuring you into applying rules
mellow kelp
but at least i think this one makes sense
quartz kindle
ye
mellow kelp
some other, nah
quartz kindle
because when you get big, you also become a target for evil doers
mellow kelp
yea
i still cant understand why it's necessary to give away a citizen id just to verify a bot tho
quartz kindle
to hold bot owners accountable
mellow kelp
the 100 server cap is kinda low
quartz kindle
another way to handle premium roles without the intent is to require them to be active
as soon as they send a message in your server, your bot will get their data
or even react to something
mellow kelp
yeah
quartz kindle
for example: "make the donation and then react to a message in my server to get your benefits"
but if you want to fully automate the process, you will need the patreon api
long marsh
Yeah, I'd ideally like to fully automate the process.
Thanks for the suggestion, though!
I think I'm just going to page through the pledge list for now ... that seems easiest to begin with. Possibly leverage their webhook later.
quartz kindle
my donations are fully manual because icba setting up patreon and paypal apis
long marsh
icba?
long marsh
Lol
zenith terrace
hi tim
quartz kindle
hi
long marsh
Patreon API seems fairly simplistic to implement though .. especially for the 'poll' of the pledges
Quick question, how do you guys run express servers along side your bot? Do you physically start two process by doing node server && node index ... or do you perhaps start the server in the same file as the sharding manager?
zenith terrace
how you doing tim, been a while
quartz kindle
i cant really transition to patreon anymore because i already had paypal donations in place before, which is a one time donation for a permanent feature
long marsh
Yikes, yeah
quartz kindle
turning everything into a subscription instead of permanent would be a giant fuck you
long marsh
The only 'one time' donations I'm going to allow are for purchasing 1-time purchases of coins.
quartz kindle
how you doing tim, been a while
doing fine :3
long marsh
100,000 for $2 ... for example
earnest phoenix
There are too many bots with commands to add money, so that economy probably will not be used.
zenith terrace
discord doesnt allow bump bots to have any sort of pay feature that gives other users a boost/advantage
long marsh
'bump' bots?
earnest phoenix
i have one subscription feature but nobody buys it
If no one buy your sub, try adding more features to that sub
zenith terrace
'bump' bots?
bots to help advertise your server
long marsh
Oh, I'm not using anything like that lol
This is purely for the economy system that's implemented in my bot.
quartz kindle
If no one buy your sub, try adding more features to that sub
not a lot i could add, but maybe
its basically a server-wide feature
long marsh
Tim, how many guilds is your bot in?
quartz kindle
"enable all users in your server to use X"
quartz kindle
ye
quartz kindle
Tim, how many guilds is your bot in?
about 7k
earnest phoenix
Mmmm
long marsh
Ah, yeah. I don't expect any subscription-based purchases before 50k guilds lol
long marsh
I would love for someone to review my subscription tiers, but only if you want 👀
earnest phoenix
If you buy it, that feature is only for you.
quartz kindle
mine are trash too lmao
quartz kindle
my personal features are 1-time permament, so most people just use paypal
zenith terrace
this is what the email said if you own a bump bot and verifying it https://tinyurl.com/yy8nqfcf
long marsh
Honestly, most of the economy-based bots are simplistic in nature. Gambling, some type of 'work', and gifting
earnest phoenix
Barnie, do you have an economy-based bot?
No.
quartz kindle
however i've had many donations that were bigger than what i ask for the feature
so it aint that bad
earnest phoenix
Honestly, most of the economy-based bots are simplistic in nature. Gambling, som...
That's true
long marsh
this is what the email said if you own a bump bot and verifying it <:KEKW:727825...
Good thing none of that applies to me 😄
long marsh
That's true
More on that, my discord bot actually allows you to collect rent from a town (draws out the town using emojis), gamble, work, fish, mine, hunt, etc.
I'm not looking for a gold star or anything, just explaining how my bot would differentiate itself from the others 😄
zenith terrace
Good thing none of that applies to me 😄
my friend had premium on his bump bot and they wouldnt verify it so he emailed them again after the response saying about a negotiation if he removes the premium they verify it lol
long marsh
my friend had premium on his bump bot and they wouldnt verify it so he emailed t...
Yeah, my bot isn't a 'bump' bot though 😄
Unless I'm missing your point entirely?
zenith terrace
nah im just saying cause we were talking about premium features before lol
long marsh
Ahhhh, gotcha.
Yeah, I'd imagine Discord shouldn't deny my verification process. I don't break TOS in any way .... or, at least, not to my knowledge 😄
zenith terrace
nice
long marsh
Sorry, everyone. I'll stop talking about my bot and unrelated-development topics.
zenith terrace
this channel is used for talking about bots, channel description
not just coding help lol
long marsh
Btw, never had a response here:
#development message
zenith terrace
maybe @quartz kindle knows
solemn latch
Quick question, how do you guys run express servers along side your bot? Do you ...
I ran my webserver and bot on separate processes and used IPC to relay info between each.
earnest phoenix
v1 is semi usable but it doesn't contain a lot of useful data
v2 does contain useful data but it's insanely unorganized and undocumented
it might've changed since i worked with it
but when i did
i developed ptsd 😭
zenith terrace
discord made a new update: (go to the link)
no f that
already did and uninstalled and reinstalled discord
summer torrent
discord made a new update: (go to the link)
yeah latest alpha is so buggy
i can't see server icons
and members' color on their names
shy turret
i meant to send that in #memes-and-media
well, counts as #development sort of i guess
zenith terrace
and it always crashes on me