development

[sharp geyser]

Ima be so fuckin for real

I pronounce it how I want

Down with the normies

[high gale]

can i know how ppl got colored text and the different animations on thier bot page of top gg?

[deft wolf]

Custom html/css

[high gale]

could ya help me to add some like basics

😭

i really liked the animation one in someone bot page icl

[lament rock]

Perhaps you should try learning some front end instead of having someone else do it for you every time you need a change or something new

[frosty gale]

americans pronounce it car

[teal kelp]

Yay I love Discord bugs They're fun to fix

There is a reading this I meant to say discord bot not discord

[stark kestrel]

since you fix discord bugs, can you fix its memory usage without an automated restart

[high gale]

jst say yes/no yappachino fym everytime i asked how didnt asked all dat

its ight tho

ty

[deft wolf]

[lament rock]

I mean like. It's there on the bot edit page so that's how

but unless you never looked or overlooked it, I took it as you want someone to give you html to put on your page which is why I put my suggestion as it'd be the most beneficial in the long run

[teal kelp]

Might automatically restart if it crashes

Maybe buy more memory

[deft wolf]

[stark kestrel]

Don't need more than what I have

[teal kelp]

Your bot obviously are using up too much ram

[stark kestrel]

Electron's just horrible

[deft wolf]

XD

I love miscommunication

[stark kestrel]

I guess you're mixing up Discord with Discord bots

[teal kelp]

You mean your discord client is using too much RAM lol

[stark kestrel]

I mean Discord is

[stark kestrel]

You fix discord bugs

[teal kelp]

It shouldn’t

No, I just got bots

I also miscommunicated

Especially when you don’t get much sleep when you work

[stark kestrel]

Discord is made to use memory because Electron does that by design

[teal kelp]

I meant discord bot not discord

[stark kestrel]

[teal kelp]

My brain’s been having a fart

Haven’t had much sleep for the last three days

So brain is currently not functioning

lol

I’ve been trying to take a few days off this week to reset my brain

There’s one thing I do miss about old discord bots when you should be able to do ! even though you can still do it I prefer the/commands now

[cedar crescent]

@harsh nova Bro, it's been 14 days and my application hasn't been reviewed yet.

[grave zealot]

@cedar crescent

Bot Reviewal Time

Our current average review time is <1 week.

Some bots may take longer to review than others depending on their features. Because of this, we can't guarantee your bot will be reviewed as quickly as someone else's, and there's no exact timeframe for approval. There's also no way to check your position in the queue - but remember, you're not first or last!

You're free to edit your bot's page anytime, both before and after review. This won't affect your place in the queue.

💡 In the meantime, please make sure your bot follows all of our Bot Guidelines for a quick and smooth approval!

Jan 22, 2026, 2:57 PM

[harsh nova]

our review times are 1-2+ weeks

[cedar crescent]

[low marten]

i had no idea Discord dms you when your bot hits 75 servers

i got notified and thought i got termed or somethingn 😭

[swift barn]

[radiant kraken]

a

[lament rock]

You can also copy its ID and ban it from your server

[low marten]

omg

😭

[deft wolf]

I remember when there was a rumor about some app that it was better to ban it from your server because it was spying or something

[lament rock]

Discord spies on you, so you should ban it!

I literally talk about something in a vc and then get served ads about it 5min later when I watch yt while eating

[prime cliff]

tfw https://www.tumblr.com/quarra/786201576373092352?source=share

A little farther, a little more

TO ANYONE WHO USES DISCORD- FOUR AI SCRAPING BOTS HAVE BEEN SECRETLY ADDED TO YOUR SERVERS WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT

🔁 foxglovecove

moondane-lovers

Saw this going around and tested it myself, and I can confirm that this is unfortunately legit. Four hidden bots have been placed in any existing or newly created Discord server that are harvesting data, images, and most concerningly, one seems to be a face swap bot.

Due to them being invisible, banning them from your servers isn't possible without their ID's, which I've typed out for easy access.

1153984868804468756
1288638725869535283
1090660574196674713
1104973139257081909

Banning is done with the /ban command with each string pasted in one at a time. Four ban commands in total.

Image proof below and further information. This was in my PERSONAL server that has existed for +5 years. Discord is harvesting your shit without your consent, fight back.

unluckyxse7en...

-# #discord

Tumblr · Jun 13, 2025, 2:04 AM

User apps are called spyware kekw partially true though imo

[deft wolf]

Yes, this one xd

Just because you can ban any application/user by ID, people believed it

[lament rock]

Lmao. Them being banned from the server doesn't "prove" they were in it in the first place. User apps are a little sussy, but you don't get any gw events for a guild you are not installed on

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-ndnvcz.png

copilot moment

[prime cliff]

👀 doing some hytale modding

[deft wolf]

Good luck

[frosty gale]

is it just me or is copilot one of the most aah vibe coding tools

[neon leaf]

dude it literally suggests typos

tf u mean is it the most ahh

[frosty gale]

im always using cursor because copilot never does well for me

[neon leaf]

i absolutely hate it

it does sometimes suggest something good

but take too long to care

[frosty gale]

in visual studio it gave me suggestions with random indentations every line and nonsensical code 💀

[neon leaf]

better than hallucinating variable names

and then even having typos in them

i cant count the number of times it suggested "recieved" instead of "received"

[frosty gale]

probably commonly seen typo in their training data lmao

though you dont see that mistake with other llms, which is confusing because copilot uses the openai models (at least i think so, anthropic as well)

[neon leaf]

i think they lobotomize their models quite a bit

unironically I got better suggestions in their free tier

I think this isnt a coincidence

so you buy their paid plan and think "eh its having a bad day" or something

[neon leaf]

jit is coming https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/151156

[radiant kraken]

NO WAY

[hazy heron]

WHAA

[neon leaf]

interesting https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/std/sync/struct.Condvar.html

[stark kestrel]

Yeah, used it and it's pretty cool

[radiant kraken]

yeah like the one in C++

i prefer using mpsc::sync_channel(1) or oneshot::channel() tho because they let me pass messages

like Results

[neon leaf]

yeah, thats what im currently using too

im not quite sure what usecase id have for Condvar

[stark kestrel]

semaphore

[neon leaf]

ah I use the tokio one

[stark kestrel]

only reason i've used it so far

[radiant kraken]

my multithreading app pretty much depends on mpsc channels lol

there's only one rwmutex i think but the rest is channels

[neon leaf]

yeah im guilty of channel abuse

https://github.com/calagopus/wings/blob/main/application/src/server/transfer.rs#L215

one of the worse examples

[radiant kraken]

i love them for this thing, i dunno what it's called

[neon leaf]

I should maybe follow your tracks and actually write comments in my code

[radiant kraken]

yeah, did it with my newest project, makes it look super clean

wish i did the same with my most popular project, it would take weeks to properly document everything

[frosty gale]

get an llm to write some

[frosty gale]

jit in rust before gta 6 is wild

[neon leaf]

it already existed for a good time know via cranelift

but it may be coming "officially"

https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc_codegen_cranelift

its not quite real jit yet but its faster than compiling regular debug builds

[radiant kraken]

This function not only accepts an Input as an argument — it also outputs an Output. 💻👨‍💻🖥🖨💾

[sharp geyser]

Whatcha guys think of this. Mock data in the listings grid but yeah

You have to login to see the name of the seller and their contact information. Later when I implement messaging that will also be a thing required to be logged in to see a prompt for

Not sure what else I should display on their page, like maybe reviews or something? hmm

[regal bison]

hmm

kinda sus that store

not gonna lie

[sharp geyser]

What?

[regal bison]

kinda clean

that page

for real

[sharp geyser]

Why'd you say sus

[regal bison]

"test product"

10 bucks

not worth it

@real rose

[sharp geyser]

It's...mock data?

[sharp geyser]

dont fall for it Aaron its just a troll / rage baiter

Anyways

fuck outta here if you going to say some stupid shit

[regal bison]

its really good man

i like it

clean page

[civic sundial]

guys is there smth like one time bot invite link that should expire after the person invite the bot

[deft wolf]

I don't think so, anyone can add your bot if they know its ID. Depending on what you want to do it might be possible to use a redirect URL(?)

[stark kestrel]

you can't do that, whitelist the guild id if you want to limit people that can invite the bot

you could add state and redirect uri to handle that

you can also use the state to handle the sort of one time invite link

either way you gotta have a web server to handle the redirect and the bot to leave servers that joined without the web server "saying" it's ok

[neon leaf]

im so stupid

i forgot you can do function pointers without boxes

[radiant kraken]

what boxes do to a mf

[neon leaf]

facts

[real rose]

Be nice please. thank you

[hazy heron]

[frosty gale]

rust mfs realising static pointers without allocating on the heap exist

[neon leaf]

ye but u cant make them point to closures with outside data

very bad

[frosty gale]

i rarely ever use closures unless i have to which simplifies a lot of my code (the inner C in me never really went away)

[frosty gale]

very sussy

[neon leaf]

i love closures

but they are a bit misleading

[radiant kraken]

i rarely use boxes

probably almost never

i only use closures as a last resort

[radiant kraken]

@pearl trail !!!!! (he made a bun version of your kazagumo)

[deft wolf]

Oh, the same guy who advertised on ddevs today

[radiant kraken]

@knotty night boop

[knotty night]

@cloud temple please refrain from advertising

[prime cliff]

Why is intelij ui so horrible 🙃

[wheat mesa]

more popups please

[radiant kraken]

hai waffle!!!

[lyric mountain]

why are u using qodana?

[prime cliff]

I'm not the point is i can't close/hide the tab lol
So it's basically forced ads

[pearl trail]

wow 😮

[pearl trail]

never had that issue on my 3 years of using jetbrains

[lyric mountain]

Weird, for me it appeared once and then never again

[frosty gale]

@neon leaf bruhhh all this time with axum + serde + serde_json i thought that all my data in the struct had to be owned before serializing because the data i was pulling from was in an arc and thought in rust there was no easy-ish way to prove to the compiler that the borrowed data from the arc is guaranteed to still be there while serializing
turns out explicit lifetimes were all i needed, that is going to save a TON of heap allocations and get me back some extra performance since this is used for api response bodies
learning rust day by day

i usually try to avoid explicit lifetimes because i always seem to run into cases where i need to track the lifetime everywhere where its used but here it doesnt seem to be the case whcih is great

[neon leaf]

yes yes, you can even do this for deserialization (Cows with json deser is peak, no need to allocate if unescaped string)

but quite a bit more complex

are you using compact strings btw or regular strings?

Ive found my memory fragmentation issues to completely vanish ever since switching

[frosty gale]

regular for now, to take full advantage of compact strings id have to migrate my database to a proper ORM library which supports compact strings which i havent gotten around to doing yet

but its on the todo list

[radiant kraken]

LIFETIMES <333

all my homies hate heap allocations

[radiant kraken]

never knew about this, thanks!! 🫶

though sadly my use case atm still demands a String soo

[neon leaf]

im wondering if theres a proper way to "stream" json files with a top-level array using serde

[tulip iron]

I want to make my bot work in dm and I don’t know how can someone help me? Please

[pearl trail]

if you are using slash command, it works on dms too by default iirc

[knotty night]

yes it should

[radiant kraken]

mhm

[tulip iron]

Et me see

Let*

It doesnt appears

[frosty gale]

deserialization with zero copy reminds me of the c++ library simdjson which does exactly this

although yeah annoying thing is you cant do it completely if you have strings that need to be escaped

otherwise you can just reference a slice to the original buffer

[radiant kraken]

yup

[frosty gale]

i would be ok doing that though if it means i can selectively escape certain string members (even in the code) that i know might need to be escaped (which wont be many)

this is why real programmers use protobuf or use some kind of binary protocol instead of silly json to avoid these silly high level programming problems

transferring data via utf-8/ascii feels like 1981 smtp style aah

[neon leaf]

im prob gonna make my api support multiple return content types

since I use my own http response wrapper everywhere already anyway

and requires serde

so perfect conditions

but in my case a more dynamic response type would still be needed (by that I mean one that includes field names)

[radiant kraken]

my uni hw required me to use heroku and mongodb

felt like stepping back to the past 😭

...nevermind fuck heroku

[warm surge]

agreed

[radiant kraken]

aint no way im specifying my billing info during signup

[warm surge]

i put random numbers

like 66666666666666666666666666666

[radiant kraken]

nah

im redeleting my account and switching to Render

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-muffin-man-muffin-man-shrek-gif-12594438

[radiant kraken]

so i have to pay $7 to properly do my homework 😭

nevermind, spinning down is not the same as shutting down

please use a less threatening word

[civic sundial]

can someone guide me a lil how can i setup the topgg api

[frosty gale]

who literally uses heroku anymore

i can only imagine its massive companies that are locked into their ecosystem due to a poor decision by one of their lead developers 10 years ago

[radiant kraken]

my uni for their react course 😃

stack used: react, react router, express, mongoose, heroku/render, google analytics/logrocket

[frosty gale]

yeah they almost completely axed their free tier where you used to be able to host small sites and bots

[radiant kraken]

that's render, not heroku

[frosty gale]

ah

[radiant kraken]

i deleted my heroku account

never again

this is much much better

(for this use case)

YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

[frosty gale]

industry practice for hosts offering free tiers nowadays

too much abuse

[radiant kraken]

fair enough

[frosty gale]

i just make a virtual card which i set a limit on in case they try to do something sus lol

[radiant kraken]

all of my cards are declined 😃

[warm surge]

skill issues

[neon leaf]

its prob an old guide

(heroku used to be free without cc)

[radiant kraken]

no

im using render

heroku is no longer free

i tried 3 cards and they all got declined

[neon leaf]

ok im going back to sleep my brain hasnt woken up

[radiant kraken]

beautiful

[vivid fulcrum]

google cloud used to offer $300 credit for first sign up. they still might do, worth checking that out

I used to shuffle 4 revolut cards in a circle. by the time I used up credits on the 4th one, the 1st card got deleted from the system and I could do it again lol

[stark kestrel]

and that's why one-time cards are useful

[neon leaf]

deser with str slices, very cool https://crates.io/crates/messagepack-serde

[radiant kraken]

the ultimate react experience

[frosty gale]

react project try not to get 1 high-critical vulnerability in one of your sub dependencies challenge (ultra impossible)

[radiant kraken]

i got 9 of them

fabulous

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-ptxhgn.png

why is this legal

it feels cursed

[radiant kraken]

looks normal to me

traits being traits

[radiant kraken]

man gotta love to see a deployment fail because of a single trailing slash in a URL 😃

[crimson vapor]

so glad I decided to stop learning rust

hey @scenic kelp wyd around these parts

[scenic kelp]

was i typing or smth

i was lurking

[crimson vapor]

yes

[warm surge]

nerd

@crimson vapor

[crimson vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1453454383105966254/1453454588844834826/attachment.gif

[warm surge]

nah

[crimson vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377077662144528486/1462492885722206430/lv_0_20260118120416.gif

[warm surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436533677596344393/1464085651157942356/togif.gif

[crimson vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/leetcode-kiss-black-girl-emo-gif-3418018854521131648

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-u-no-no-you-uno-uno-revere-gif-21053426

[crimson vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159604712132321331/1349174989580144691/IMG_0224.gif

[warm surge]

what the fuck

gif is so big it has to be long

[crimson vapor]

yeah thats a funny one

idek why its kullu and not guha

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/carter-here-carterpcs-gif-10891179031209714698

[neon leaf]

https://crates.io/crates/simd-json

[stark kestrel]

simdeez

[radiant kraken]

interesting, will look into this!

thanks!

[rustic nova]

simon

simon deez

[frosty gale]

W library (dont know about the rust port but the c++ one is W)

[radiant kraken]

yeah SIMD things are usually peak

[frosty gale]

only sad thing is it you cant serialize with it, the library doesnt support it

i did talk to the maintainers about it but they said they dont have enough people working on it to implement serialization

[radiant kraken]

bummer

[frosty gale]

there is some very infrequent talks about it though

so atm you need 2 different libraries to do both serialization and deserialization

[neon leaf]

https://docs.rs/tokio/latest/tokio/task/struct.LocalKey.html

I will not even attempt to guess how cursed this must be under the hood

[radiant kraken]

https://docs.rs/tokio/latest/src/tokio/task/task_local.rs.html#104-265

[frosty gale]

rust gets so cursed so quickly when you want to do complex things safely (or even unsafely a lot of the time)

[neon leaf]

well im not gonna complain because it somehow works

nvm I see

when the scoped future is polled, it sets a thread-local var to point to itselfs task_local context

then any subfutures that get polled can read the thread-local var

and when the poll is done, it gets reverted

quite genius solution

[neon leaf]

no way guys

https://crates.io/crates/serde_yaml2

finally a yaml crate without 10000 cves

[radiant kraken]

LMFAO

[lament rock]

The last recorded record. We could not hit 2000 before our ISPs shat themselves at the worst possible timing

How upsetting

We hit 1950 hours at least just didn't screenshot

[neon leaf]

nvm the lib sucks

[radiant kraken]

😭

[frosty gale]

lol

[errant flax]

😕

wait nvm, index.html was somehow moved

[radiant kraken]

github has a stroke

[neon leaf]

why is caching so hard

[swift barn]

CTRL Z

[neon leaf]

no way

this literally released 3 days ago

https://github.com/yaml/yaml-serde

(still has cves but less so thats progress)

[stark kestrel]

toml for rust
json/yaml for go

[neon leaf]

ye but what if I need yaml

do I need to turn go code into a c lib to use it in rust

[stark kestrel]

you go for go

gogogo everywhere go

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/yaml/yamlscript

what am I even looking at

[grave patio]

what you are looking at is YAMLscript. It says it in the embed. Hope this helps!

[deft wolf]

[low marten]

i think i'm making progress

color pallette is still a maybe, i decided to phase out some of the flashy visual charts and opt for more data focused alternatives

these were taken on the latest public build. Charts use the rechart library, although some may be swapped out soon

[clever tundra]

wow, another rebrand

[low marten]

yeah sorry, kinda having an identity crisis with this small project haha

[clever tundra]

the fact the entire website layout and everything changes every time is insane, i would not have the mental capability to keep doing that lol

[low marten]

i had to take a break for a while (still on-going)- i was up from around 7 AM to 2 AM daily, very straining haha

[clever tundra]

[split bane]

looking ight

[spring hemlock]

im fw it

[split bane]

ly

[neon leaf]

how to increase your rust vtable data by 10mb:

pub trait AsAny: std::any::Any + Send + Sync {
    fn as_any_boxed(self: Box<Self>) -> Box<dyn std::any::Any + Send + Sync>;

    fn as_any_ref(&self) -> &dyn std::any::Any;
    fn as_any_mut_ref(&mut self) -> &mut dyn std::any::Any;
}

impl<T: std::any::Any + Send + Sync> AsAny for T {
    fn as_any_boxed(self: Box<Self>) -> Box<dyn std::any::Any + Send + Sync> {
        self
    }

    fn as_any_ref(&self) -> &dyn std::any::Any {
        self
    }

    fn as_any_mut_ref(&mut self) -> &mut dyn std::any::Any {
        self
    }
}

[low marten]

799 servers

may i gain this server count one day ❤️‍🩹

[quartz kindle]

gemini what the fuck

see this is how they make you waste tokens without you noticing, no wonder you run out of usage so fast

[radiant kraken]

atp just use javascript

[prime cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/seahorse-gif-8174689240922781823

[lament rock]

idk batching so much together seems like big performance

[prime cliff]

I forgot what that term is called for ai loops

[lyric mountain]

*clears throat*
"Pardon my manners, it appears that I've glitched"

Lmao

[pearl trail]

neural text degeneration

[amber rose]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-meme-aew-mjf-mjf-meme-mid-gif-11983703810991326806

Use onboarding

[frosty gale]

surprising it did that because basically all serious LLMs have a parameter called a "repeat penalty" which basically discourages the LLM from using a specific token if it already appeared in the response (discouraged more if seen multiple times) which basically eliminates these kinda loops

gemini must have it be a little less aggressive

[split bane]

lowkey

[split bane]

i technically started it in 2021 so gl

[frosty gale]

me when i lie to icann about my domain registration information

[quartz kindle]

liar liar pants on fire

[frosty gale]

im buying a domain not applying for a mortgage 😭 why they need so much info

[deft wolf]

Probably in the case of abuse it's extremely useful to track you down or something

[sharp saddle]

anyone know what's wrong?

😭

# Simple workflow for deploying static content to GitHub Pages
name: TSDoc Actions

on:
  push:
    branches:
      - master
  release:
  # Allows you to run this workflow manually from the Actions tab
  workflow_dispatch:

# Sets permissions of the GITHUB_TOKEN to allow deployment to GitHub Pages
permissions:
  contents: read
  pages: write
  id-token: write

jobs:
  # Single deploy job since we're just deploying
  deploy:
    name: Deploy Documentation

    # Deploy to the github-pages environment
    environment:
      name: github-pages
      url: ${{ steps.deployment.outputs.page_url }}

    # Specify runner + deployment step
    runs-on: ubuntu-latest
    steps:
      - name: Checkout code
        uses: actions/checkout@v3

      - name: Setup Node
        uses: actions/setup-node@v3
        with:
          node-version: 20
          cache: "npm"
      
      - name: TSDoc Action
        uses: erikyo/tsdoc-action@v1
        with:
          source_dir: ./src/*
          output_dir: ./docs
          front_page: README.md

      - name: Setup Pages
        uses: actions/configure-pages@v3

      - name: Upload artifact
        uses: actions/upload-pages-artifact@v3
        with:
          # Upload entire repository
          path: "./docs"

      - name: Deploy to GitHub Pages
        id: deployment
        uses: actions/deploy-pages@v2```

[stark kestrel]

Why use a 3 years old action when you can just run a single command

Actually 2, one to install it - one to generate

[sharp saddle]

I got this directly from their GitHub 😭

but ty, i'll fix it

[stark kestrel]

Yeah it's mainly, a 3 years old action isn't really a good sign

It may still be working but yeah, things change

[frosty gale]

golang is officially one of my fav languages

it is everything i wanted javascript to be

simple, low-level ish and flexible

[hushed patrol]

dm the link pls

[radiant kraken]

golang is pretty cool

almost on par with rust

[neon leaf]

but can go do this

use std::ops::Deref;

type BBox<'a> = Box<dyn Deref<Target = Box<dyn Deref<Target = Box<u8>> + 'a>> + 'a>;

fn main() {
    let bbox: BBox = Box::new(Box::new(
        Box::new(Box::new(Box::new(9u8))) as Box<dyn Deref<Target = Box<u8>>>
    ));

    println!("Hello, world! {}", *****bbox);
}

[radiant kraken]

please get this out of my face

[neon leaf]

no

[radiant kraken]

im gonna put you in a box

so youll stop

[neon leaf]

I prefer being in an Arc

[radiant kraken]

no

😠

[neon leaf]

😡

[prime cliff]

Hey all for anyone doing hytale modding working on a website to show a collection of resources, guides and tutorials for modding 🙂

[sharp saddle]

@ mods ban this man

sending spam

[acoustic bough]

I did some redesign of my https://wamellow.com/ home, anyone has some feedback?

[steel oxide]

i really like the glow around the image and your "Accessibility" text is a rare example of gradients done right

i think two things that jump out at me are the "App" label (seems a bit out of place given that styling) and the slanted "Get started here in seconds"

-# idk what suggestion for improvement to make tho lol

[steel oxide]

i think for the "Get started here in seconds" it may look better if u make the arrow longer and add more veritical spacing between that text and the buttons? just a thought

[acoustic bough]

it looked so empty without the glow lol thanks

[stark kestrel]

By seeing the screenshot pretty much the same opinion, I will look at the website itself later

The app badge stands out because it doesn't really follow along with the theme

[acoustic bough]

the APP text is a remainder from another header that was like Next-generation of Discord [APP], idk if I shall get rid of it

[steel oxide]

i don't have a great eye for design tbh ;P

[acoustic bough]

im a backend dev lmao idk what I am doing

for mobile I will prob place the buttons beneath the showcase or smth, honestly no idea

looks odd rn

[steel oxide]

i think the stars and text at the top (if not the buttons as well) would benefit from more empty space near the edges

[steel oxide]

realest thing i've heard all day

[frosty gale]

you have been sentenced to being stuck in an Rc indefinitely

[neon leaf]

nooooo

[frosty gale]

these AI memes are getting out of hand

[neon leaf]

im stealing this

[prime cliff]

👀

[frosty gale]

i cant believe github still doesnt support sha256 repositories

github should in theory only have one job which is be somewhat compliant with Git so that it can effectively act as a web dashboard for Git repositories

instead we are getting AI features on the home page nobody asked for

[stark kestrel]

well it is

they'll likely move their asses off when git 3.0 gets released with sha256 as default

[radiant kraken]

interesting stuff! keep it up!

[frosty gale]

about time unless they find another reason to copout

i have a repo that i keep on my private gitea instance that i want to sync to my github but i cant because i created it under sha256 lmao

[stark kestrel]

so they added a guard to prevent collisions, even if git doesn't do it on pure content

so they don't have much reason to move use sha256 (for now)

compability yeah sure but like they can postpone kinda forever

until git 3.0 releases at least

https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/sha-1-collision-detection-on-github-com/

[modern wind]

Uh

[neon leaf]

https://www.react2aws.xyz/

are we just reinventing xml

[queen needle]

yes

[sharp geyser]

I genuinely dont understand the point of this

then again never used terraform

[frosty gale]

so many companies start to wet themselves with excitement whenever they hear terraform

if you see a job ad for an infrastructure/devops job 9 times out of 10 they will mention terraform

so i think its very common in companies

i suppose its helpful if you operate something like k8s and want to dynamically spin up more compute instances in the cloud maybe?!

maybe replicating a live environment in a test env too

[jaunty cypress]

there are some problems I did invite the bot

[acoustic bough]

I just got api banned

please wait 5 minutes

[jaunty cypress]

alr, are you using v2 comp?

[warm surge]

LMFAO

[acoustic bough]

partially

[jaunty cypress]

lol

[warm surge]

bro got api banned

[acoustic bough]

first time in five years

I cannot see any spam in my logs

[warm surge]

lmfao

thats funny

[warm surge]

I broke it

yk its my job to break your shit sometimes

[jaunty cypress]

I'm so confused rn about my bot

[warm surge]

im fixing my spotify rn

[jaunty cypress]

I did fixed thsi sh###t 5 times

[warm surge]

yea i broke her bot

[jaunty cypress]

it say failed

[frosty gale]

spicetify user detected opinion rejected spotx is on top

[jaunty cypress]

guys do you have got any good custom emjis 🙂

[warm surge]

@acoustic bough hey i broke it

[warm surge]

eh

[jaunty cypress]

yo guys I'm also a Ui designer, I want do rated something that I made for my bot

thats the logo

[sharp geyser]

Seems like a typo

Swirft

[deft wolf]

I think they are just wrong, right?

[sharp geyser]

Was the typo not enough

[deft wolf]

People make weird names

[acoustic bough]

may you attempt now pls?

[jaunty cypress]

ye it does work now

[jaunty cypress]

lo not every website you shoudl trust, If I put it anywhere else it says its Ki

[deft wolf]

So you didn't use AI to generate this image?

[jaunty cypress]

but there is a problem with the dashboard I can't login with my discord acc

[sharp geyser]

Nothing wrong with using AI tbf, just know that it doesn't make you look good

[jaunty cypress]

Ik why should I lie, when it was AI I would say it

[acoustic bough]

it works fine for me rn(?)

[jaunty cypress]

lemme try it agian

[acoustic bough]

i mean ye the entire bot was api banned for like half an hour or more

[jaunty cypress]

You should add the charts here do, it would be great

I got rn some problem with charts too, It dosen't work

[deft wolf]

Btw after reading some of the ddevs chat looks like your bot is not alone in that

[sharp saddle]

smh

[swift barn]

same thing happened to me, like a year ago😭 😭 temp work around i did was to proxy outbound requests just until the ban was over (stil didnt find what caused the ban up till now but ive added a few mitigations to help anyways )

[acoustic bough]

I got api banned 5-6 times this night

I just got token reset for too many connections

[swift barn]

https://usefixie.com

[acoustic bough]

like wtf? I am not spamming shit

I literally only have 4 gateway connections, which are not spamming or reconnecting

[swift barn]

do u have like a graph where ur able to see all incoming requests ?possibly something ur overlooking ?

[acoustic bough]

you can see all my api bans

that last graph is very broken due to missing data but thats expected

[swift barn]

i think the users endpoint is being fetched wayy too much ?
/users/:id
this
i mean yeahh i see the ratelimit added, but still looks like it may be getting spammed ?

[acoustic bough]

5 requests isn't really anything

and I have a cache with like over 100k users in it

global api ban is way beyond 5 requests

[swift barn]

yeahh its a weird one, you can try potential workarounds though, till you can find whats wrong, cos im still sure its a certain endpoint being "abused" (which discord thinks )

discord support wont even be of much help, cos this is what they said when it happened to me

[acoustic bough]

I literally log EVERY SINGLE REQUEST that has a ratelimit header attached

and I only have five logged

and I haven't deployed anything in the last week

and it's just now

[swift barn]

any background jobs or something?

[acoustic bough]

only thing

[swift barn]

yeahh weird

[digital swan]

Is this fetching a specific user or fetching all members of a guild? I had trouble with fetching all members recently, there’s pretty hefty rate limits on it now

[acoustic bough]

no. also fetching all members of a guild works over the gateway via request guild members, not the http api (unless you for loop)

the user endpoints could be my leaderboard pages though

[frosty gale]

you can do that for free with oracle cloud if you get their free tier btw

they dont charge per ip but per network interface so you can rotate ips as rapidly as you want

[crystal wigeon]

Unable to spawn shard:  Error [SHARDING_READY_TIMEOUT]: Shard 0's Client took too long to become ready.
    at Timeout.onTimeout (/home/izzi-ts/node_modules/discord.js/src/sharding/Shard.js:166:16)
    at listOnTimeout (node:internal/timers:569:17)
    at process.processTimers (node:internal/timers:512:7) {
  [Symbol(code)]: 'SHARDING_READY_TIMEOUT'
}```

what does this mean?? did discord timeout my bot?

    at ClientRequest.<anonymous> (/home/izzi-ts/node_modules/node-fetch/lib/index.js:1501:11)
    at ClientRequest.emit (node:events:517:28)
    at TLSSocket.socketOnEnd (node:_http_client:525:9)
    at TLSSocket.emit (node:events:529:35)
    at endReadableNT (node:internal/streams/readable:1400:12)
    at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:82:21) {
  type: 'system',
  errno: 'ECONNRESET',
  code: 'ECONNRESET'
}```

[stark kestrel]

Connection got terminated/closed 🤷‍♂️

Could be a discord issue just like it could be a network issue on your side

[crystal wigeon]

yeah i added debuggers

debugger [WS => Manager] Fetched Gateway Information
    URL: wss://gateway.discord.gg
    Recommended Shards: 6
debugger [WS => Manager] Session Limit Information
    Total: 1000
    Remaining: 982
debugger [WS => Manager] Spawning shards: 0
debugger [WS => Shard 0] [CONNECT]
    Gateway    : wss://gateway.discord.gg/
    Version    : 9
    Encoding   : json
    Compression: none
debugger [WS => Shard 0] Setting a HELLO timeout for 20s.
debugger [WS => Shard 0] [CONNECTED] Took 381ms
debugger [WS => Shard 0] Clearing the HELLO timeout.
debugger [WS => Shard 0] Setting a heartbeat interval for 41250ms.
debugger [WS => Shard 0] [IDENTIFY] Shard 0/6 with intents: 513
debugger [WS => Shard 0] [READY] Session ** | Resume url wss://gateway-us-east1-c.discord.gg.
debugger [WS => Shard 0] [ReadyHeartbeat] Sending a heartbeat.
debugger [WS => Shard 0] Heartbeat acknowledged, latency of 2443ms.
Unable to spawn shard:  Error [SHARDING_READY_TIMEOUT]: Shard 0's Client took too long to become ready.
    at Timeout.onTimeout (/Users/hoax/Desktop/izzi/izzi-ts/node_modules/discord.js/src/sharding/Shard.js:166:16)
    at listOnTimeout (node:internal/timers:594:17)
    at processTimers (node:internal/timers:529:7) {
  [Symbol(code)]: 'SHARDING_READY_TIMEOUT'
}```

the connection seems fine

but why is it failing after

looks like discordjs issue?

everything was working fine a while ago

[frosty gale]

this is a classic indicator of being rate limited in discordjs

[crystal wigeon]

but it doesnt say that tho?

[frosty gale]

i remember in the glitch days when everyones ips kept getting banned they got the same took too long to become ready error

[crystal wigeon]

dont u get like how long you been rate lmited?

[crystal wigeon]

but I also tried from a different device so diff ip

[frosty gale]

buti could be wrong tho, can you curl the gateway without an error?

[crystal wigeon]

yeah

the gateway is fine

you can see in the debug logs above

also I heard djs caching all members and I've grown a lot could that be a problem?

[frosty gale]

yeah nvm probably not a ratelimit

[crystal wigeon]

/* eslint-disable no-undef */
import { ShardingManager } from "discord.js";
import loggers from "loggers";
import path from "path";
// import * as dotenv from "dotenv";
// dotenv.config({ path: __dirname + "/../../.env" });
import { DISCORD_TEST_BOT, DISCORD_BOT_TOKEN, SHARD_LIST, TOTAL_SHARDS } from "../environment";
import flushBattleCooldowns from "./autoClear";

// eslint-disable-next-line no-unused-vars
process.on("unhandledRejection", (error, promise) => {
    // logger.error("UnhandledRejection: " + error);
});

process.on("uncaughtException", (error) => {
    // logger.error("BOT SHARD CRASHED, FATAL ERROR: " + error);
    // process.exit(1);
});

process.setMaxListeners(100);

// const shardParams = {
//     execArgv: [ "-r", "ts-node/register" ],
//     totalShards: TOTAL_SHARDS || "auto",
//     respawn: true,
//     token: DISCORD_TEST_BOT,
// };

// if (SHARD_LIST) {
//     Object.assign(shardParams, { shardList: SHARD_LIST });
// }

const manager = new ShardingManager(path.join(__dirname, "client.ts"), {
    execArgv: [ "-r", "ts-node/register" ], // This is needed to run dev
    // totalShards: "auto",
    // token: DISCORD_TEST_BOT,
    token: DISCORD_BOT_TOKEN,
    respawn: true
});

manager.spawn().catch((err) => {
    console.log("Unable to spawn shard: ", err);
    loggers.error("Unable to spawn Shard (might be rate limited): ", err);
});
manager.on("shardCreate", (shard) => {
    console.log(`Shard #${shard.id} is Online`);
    shard.on("death", async (process: any) => {
        await flushBattleCooldowns();
        loggers.error(
            "SHARD_CRASHED " +
        shard.id +
        " closed unexpectedly! PID: " +
        process.pid +
        "; Exit code: " +
        process.exitCode +
        ".",
            {}
        );

        if (process.exitCode === null) {
            loggers.error(
                "WARNING: Shard " +
          shard.id +
          ` exited with NULL error code. This may be a result of a lack of available system memory. 
              Ensure that there is enough memory allocated to continue.`,
                {}
            );
        }
    });
});

hmm then whats the issue

trying to figure out if its caching problem

[frosty gale]

https://www.answeroverflow.com/m/1262496683170988104

maybe its taking too long to receive everything from discord (too much data)?

also seem to get the same error if you try fetch all members which is slow
https://github.com/discordjs/discord.js/issues/5187

try increasing the timeout?

[crystal wigeon]

right but im not fetchign all members

[frosty gale]

not necessarily fetching all members but its the same principle with whatever you could be doing

[crystal wigeon]

where do i config the timeout? there is no option in sharding manager

[frosty gale]

manager.spawn takes in an object with a timeout
https://discord.js.org/docs/packages/discord.js/main/MultipleShardSpawnOptions:Interface

[crystal wigeon]

let me try

[frosty gale]

i think for each client you can also enable gateway logging where d.js will dump everything it requests/receives from discord which can help you narrow down whats making it take so long, but im not sure what option it is to enable it since i havent touched djs in ages

though the timeout issue is most likely more of a symptom but increasing timeout can solve it for the time being

[crystal wigeon]

ok so using the timeout worked but now i need to know what djs is loading for it to take that long

is there a way to tell it to not cache all users? and only some?

looks like I have to move away from djs

[deft wolf]

You should probably read this guide
https://discordjs.guide/legacy/miscellaneous/cache-customization

[crimson vapor]

Guys is there a way to force caching (discord js or any other library) of large guilds?

[frosty gale]

yeah thats probably the issue in that case, djs lets you adjust it as nynu said

[crystal wigeon]

thanks!!

[digital swan]

what do you want cached? discordjs caches just about everything by default

[sharp saddle]

Is there an alternative to OpenCV? I want to add motion tracking to a 15-second video, and I've been trying to install OpenCV for over 3 hours

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/chronotope/chrono/issues/1768

[radiant kraken]

interesting

[frosty gale]

If someone wants to take over and they have a reasonable amount of reputation/references/standing
mfs need 5-6 years of experience to even get a free job maintaining a crate 😭 🙏

[radiant kraken]

i mean it's a popular crate, you don't want someone unqualified to maintain it. beceause if you fuck up, 452 million projects will also get fucked up 😃

whenever you need datetime info, chrono's got you covered

even if it's just a free job maintaining a crate, i'm sure it'll make you standout in your CV

[low marten]

@delicate zephyr does topstats support this 👀

[delicate zephyr]

support what?

[low marten]

sliding vote window

[delicate zephyr]

it just fetches stuff from top.gg every hour

there's nothing more that we can do

[split bane]

nrn still wokring on it

[crimson vapor]

Let’s say I wanna cache literally everything…?

[deft wolf]

Why would you want to cache everything even if you don't use it?

Discord.js relies heavily on cache so it caches everything it needs on the fly

[frosty gale]

unless you have a small-ish bot or you have a lot of memory and resources its not a realistic option sadly

[frosty gale]

assuming youre asking about this what specifically do you want to cache?

[neon leaf]

dam https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-jxhjxu.png

[frosty gale]

lmao i thought no way is this real

top tier easter egg

[vivid fulcrum]

what are you struggling with? What environment? opencv has prebuilt binaries for pretty much every platform.

[sharp saddle]

ubuntu

linux

trying to install it on npm

[vivid fulcrum]

which package and what's the error

[acoustic fern]

Trying to install opencv via npm? 😭 Is it literally not just one apt install

[low marten]

little update, i'm no longer hosting this project through static hosting, i'm now hosting the entire project myself.
This has been an absolute nightmare to convert, taking around a week and a bit, but it's done.

When benchmarking the results, fetching server info went from an average of around 7.5 seconds, to 0.5 seconds.
There's many other benefits i won't cover here, but overall, it's a cool learning experience

i'm using cloudflared, Quart and hypercorn to tunnel this, although the hardware i'm running it on.. could be better, but im broke.

[clever tundra]

what hardware are you using?

[low marten]

don't laugh

intel core i3 3rd gen ivy bridge, 16GB DDR3, and them some jank SSD i found lying around

it's a dell optiplex

[clever tundra]

better than me

[low marten]

nothing special

[clever tundra]

pi 3b
1gb ram

16gb sd card

[low marten]

oh jeez

[clever tundra]

109 servers so

[low marten]

i keep randomly getting these 502's that vanish when i hard refresh, it sucks because i've spent 2 days trying to isolate the cause but i'm struggling lmao

it's not cloudlfare based, their from my web server

[clever tundra]

i need smth that draws basically zero power

[clever tundra]

i used to have that but it stopped. just went away eventually

[low marten]

ah, to be fair, the cloudflare setup is quite new, started it around 18 hours ago

[clever tundra]

did you use the single command to install it all or did you individually install each bit

[low marten]

huh?

[clever tundra]

nvm

[wheat mesa]

Containerizing the setup?

If not, I highly recommend it. Makes your life a lot easier if you decide to move to cloud hosting later, or even if you want to make a CI/CD pipeline to deploy on your own hardware

[vivid fulcrum]

well you need bindings for node

almost all bindings tell you to install the binary first

skill issue 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic fern]

Fr 😭 I use opencv so much

[clever tundra]

[discord.py] can someone here who knows components v2 give me a hand? I have an issue which quite frankly I have no idea how to fix and no idea how it started
Its hard to describe but I have an entire system thing and theres a modal with a select and basically its not appearing but theres a button and smth else
for code pls lmk since its kinda hard to share

[knotty night]

What is appearing?

Or any errors

[clever tundra]

No errors but its not doing what its supposed to

It used to have an error but I tried to fix it and now its arguably worse than an error

[knotty night]

Is the entire thing not appealing just the select of what?

[clever tundra]

I tried to fix it with debatable methods and for debugging it changed it slightly and now the dropdown and stuff is there but its not showing it or anything

[knotty night]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[clever tundra]

Yeah

AI

[rustic nova]

lol thats funny

[frosty gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFkeOBqfQBw

[crisp trout]

this has been old as the time itself imo

[neon leaf]

im sorry for doing this to drizzle

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-mi1xx8.png

but I have to

[crisp trout]

anyone using proxmox or such to host your bots?

[vivid fulcrum]

not me, but I am just wondering why proxmox

they're on the pricey side, you can get cheaper VMs if your only goal is a discord bot

[crisp trout]

well, I have a spare pc which is fair bit strong 😂

[vivid fulcrum]

ah you're hosting it

got it

[crisp trout]

yeah

[covert nymph]

hey so my bot was declined due to no "working help command" or point of entry. My bot is using the discords help command that was built in when I import commands. Do I need to create my own help command? Also what does "point of entry" mean?

[covert nymph]

I use to but found it easier to just use pebblehost to start out until I need the serious hardware.

[finite tendon]

Yeah override the default help command with a custom one. Point of entry is just like a welcome message when someone interacts with your bot for the first time or just a help command/ tutorial command that guides new users

[deft wolf]

If you want to discuss why your bot was rejected, open a ticket on #staff-tickets

[crisp trout]

how come what were your pain points if you don't mind me asking 😄 ? just doing some "research"

[covert nymph]

awesome thank you! I'll open a ticket when I do fix the issues just to be sure I have everything proper before I resubmit. Thank you for the help!!!!

[covert nymph]

for some reason I couldn't keep a static ip for the life of me and it very well could have been my isp. I just didn't want the headache and my server host costs me $3 usd a month lol

[crisp trout]

oh yeah, most just are dynamic ip's and you gotta pay some extra $$ to get a static one lol

but fair enough.

Also, it's a long shot (mods I apologize if this is against' is anyone available to go through the flow just to give a quick eye for my bot all my friends are yeah, boomers

[low marten]

Fianlly solved it

no more 502's

😎

[frosty gale]

what was the issue

[low marten]

It was tunneling with WIFi instead of the plugged in ethernet cable

spotty connection = intermittent 502's

[delicate pagoda]

Hai

[neon leaf]

⁨```rs
pub struct Settings {
cached: [RwLock<SettingsBuffer>; 2],
cached_index: AtomicUsize,
cached_revalidating: Mutex<()>,

database: Arc<crate::database::Database>,

}

what am I even doing at this point

[frosty gale]

this seems kinda overkill, i assume youre using cached as an a/b type system? is a temporary write lock on the cache really that bad 😭

[neon leaf]

this is basically my main bottleneck currently

one cache expiry and its over for every request

until all read locks have vanished

and cant use Clone because I need dyn

and cant use Arc because settings need to be directly mutable

https://crates.io/crates/left-right

I dont @harsh nova

[harsh nova]

no

[crimson vapor]

weird personal project where the scope is one server (even though its a large guild) and I want to cache all offline users so that we prevent API abuse for some shenanigans
realistically memory and cpu isn't an issue in this case (small enough to be irrelevant)

[frosty gale]

have you looked at the ⁨arc_swap⁩ crate? it lets you dynamically swap out an arc for another one without locking, i use it and its really good albeit borderline overkill for my use case

[neon leaf]

ye but like I said cant use Arc because I need the original data to be mutable

the main issue with 1 rwlock is that writes are fair

so if any write starts while 1 reader is drunk, all readers and the writer have to wait

with 2 that issue is completely solved

i end up with 1 mutex for the writes now

if cache is expired and write mutex can be grabbed, use the inactive rwlock to update settings, otherwise return the active one temporarily since another thread is writing already

means reads will never yield (or block or whatever the proper terminology is)

⁨```rs
struct SettingsBuffer {
settings: AppSettings,
expires: std::time::Instant,
}

pub struct Settings {
cached: [RwLock<SettingsBuffer>; 2],
cached_index: AtomicUsize,
write_serializing: Mutex<()>,

database: Arc<crate::database::Database>,

}

[radiant kraken]

Mutex<()>?

[neon leaf]

yes, that mutex is for ensuring only 1 write operation can take place at any given time

since if 2 writes would happen at once without this restriction, the original issue would occurr again

heres the full code of the logic https://pastes.dev/e7VR4Nd6lS

[vivid fulcrum]

for cold start look for a method that wraps this endpoint https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/guild#list-guild-members
any library should have it since it's REST
you probably want to ensure your cache won't go stale so i recommend also tracking guild member add/remove events

and update events depending on what you want to track

i think djs has a built in option to cache the response so you don't have to build one yourself, best to confirm yourself though

if it's a guild with a lot of members djs is going to eat up memory though

i miss when bot development was simple without the interaction shenanigans 😿

[radiant kraken]

instead of a ⁨Mutex<()>⁩, why not a Semaphore?

[neon leaf]

protesting (jk, probably would work the same way in the end)

[radiant kraken]

yeah, but it's prob slightly better

i used a semaphore for something like this in the Top.gg Rust SDK

[neon leaf]

to be honest not sure if itd be faster

Id think its slightly slower

[radiant kraken]

huh?

[neon leaf]

scammers

too used to working with std stuff

ig ill change it then+

[radiant kraken]

also this can be changed to ⁨fetch_update⁩

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/sync/atomic/struct.AtomicUsize.html#method.fetch_update

something like ⁨⁨```rs
let _ = self.parent.cached_index.fetch_update(Ordering::Release, Ordering::Relaxed, |i| Some((i + 1) % 2));

[neon leaf]

thanks

[crimson vapor]

oh fire good resource ty
it seems like on startup we can query first 1k, then query second 2k, and so on.
I have no issue caching the 5k or so members that are needed if we could drop the unnecessary api abuse in role syncing. Probably won't be even a few hundred mb added so thats chill

[crisp trout]

i hate configuring ufw

Why did I ever went this route 😂

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-gif-1457207231862495087

[crimson vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1453454383105966254/1460377644997804315/attachment.gif

theres a UCF student with the license plate "KEKW"

TIL

[warm surge]

yk i got ucf license plate?

i literally do

[crimson vapor]

do you have the plate KEKW tho

[warm surge]

i don’t drive a honda

[warm surge]

IK WHERE YOUR AT

YOUR AT MY OLD APT

[crisp trout]

bro im so dumb i swear

i ran accidentally 2 instances of the bot somehow and then wondered and spent 30 mins debugging

[deft wolf]

Crazy advertisement

[radiant kraken]

@ivory siren boop

[frosty gale]

an atomic flag could work well here (potentially) but not sure if its worth the effort switching out the mutex for not much benefit

i just try make whatever i can atomic and for things i cant do atomically i opt in to full reloads of them so i dont have to write to them, only to whatever is holding them

but yeah annoying problem in concurrency

atomic strings tho would be cheating and OP if that existed, cpu manufacturers would need to nerd that card

[frosty gale]

actually you can pretty much implement that by making the length and buffer pointer both atomics then you can dynamically swap them out SSO would be a nightmare tho

[crimson vapor]

That’s not me that’s someone else but yeah that’s KC

I’m over by science drive 🥀

[warm surge]

rip

[crisp trout]

psa github has issue status page.

[neon leaf]

well

even if I could save 67ns per lock, the whole point of this double buffer is that writing is rare and (!!!) most importantly, the code is already way too complex and using a lock with raii structure is a lot easier than an atomic flag

[prime cliff]

Engrish

Only issue is for github actions

[crisp trout]

who doesn't use github actions lol\

[pearl trail]

all my college friends

only 3-5 out of hundreds

[crisp trout]

Hmm, I guess it's a matter of preference.

Also not sure you are aware e.g you using netlify it goes through actions or somethinh>

[pearl trail]

yeah im aware, such things like vercel and netlify uses them. well fair enough, the github action is not made by them so i count they’re not using gh action ;D

[crisp trout]

Youd be surprised but they do 😂

aww they removed the warning on GH

ah well

[frosty gale]

you aint a real one if you dont micro optimize

imagine the wasted 20 cpu cycles on each lock

[neon leaf]

its async already so wont see that gain anyway

well id think atleast

I still wish tokio was designed more similarly to go

where syscalling "moves" all async tasks to another thread instead of creating a new blocking task and awaiting it

[frosty gale]

https://docs.rs/tokio/latest/tokio/task/fn.block_in_place.html ?

i remember using that before for some crypto operations

[neon leaf]

not quite what it does afaik

Be aware that although this function avoids starving other independently spawned tasks, any other code running concurrently in the same task will be suspended during the call to block_in_place. This can happen e.g. when using the join! macro. To avoid this issue, use spawn_blocking instead of block_in_place.

has bad side effects

[frosty gale]

Scam

[neon leaf]

and go does this on basically everything by default

so you get noticable speed gains

magic™

[frosty gale]

although is there really a difference in performance when executing a blocking task on a dedicated blocking thread (thats most likely on standby i presume) vs converting the current thread temporarily into a blocking one and move the other tasks onto another async thread?

i'd imagine it would be worse if anything?

i need to read up more on async

[neon leaf]

something something context switch something something

(forgot 99% of what I read about this topic)

I got destroyed by using sysinfo in an async task recently

to be precise the disk info part of it

[frosty gale]

in c# its an incredibly common mistake in async because c# provides no async way to query a file/disk info either 💀
so you have to make sure you spawn them in blocking tasks otherwise you will quickly starve your tasks

[neon leaf]

yeah I dont get why rust doesnt have a function attribute for this tbh

e.g. #[blocking]

or something

because I may still have blocking code all over the place and id never know until I get mysterious issues

[balmy terrace]

Hii

Hellooooo I just joined 😄

[deft wolf]

[crisp trout]

eh im happy

[frosty gale]

what the fuck am i going to do now

i cant think for myself i need gptchat

[deft wolf]

The world will fall apart

[frosty gale]

@quartz kindle oracle scammed me

(i accidentally went over their free tier for block storage)

good thing i noticed bc it was like $6 a day

[neon leaf]

update: im homeless https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-e59gy3.png

[crisp trout]

r u fr?

[crisp trout]

what happened?

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[deft wolf]

Joking is forbidden in Tim's cave

[crisp trout]

sure but oracle are scum, it wouldn't surprise me 😄

[frosty gale]

they are the most scummiest scum scum company there is (google takes first place but they're second)

too bad they offer a good cloud service 🙁

[warm surge]

I got a question

so i am recreating my webhook so other users can use it and i forgot one thing and

if role is null is it data.role == null or ==! null

[crisp trout]

isn't ==! not a valid operator?

[warm surge]

it is

[crisp trout]

iirc == null?

[warm surge]

ive useed it before but im trying make it if it is null skip the roles and still push out user voted that bot without getting the roke

[frosty gale]

you should do !data.role since it covers more cases of things being undefined (if were talking about js?)

[warm surge]

it is js

[warm surge]

yea but im dealing with this fucker

guld.roles.cache.get checkes if the role exist before giving it to the user

thats why im trying work around it

so i dont kill the bot with discord api errors

[crisp trout]

wait so you need to check the role first in guild before assign

[warm surge]

yes

[crisp trout]

hm

[warm surge]

i had it happen when if roles doesnt exist it will restart the bot for whatever reason

[crisp trout]

if (data.role && guild.roles.cache.has(data.role))?

something

[warm surge]

let me try that

[crisp trout]

something like that i can't recall js very well

rather been ages*

[wheat mesa]

cache.has should not be throwing if the argument passed is null

It’ll just return false

[warm surge]

i thought as well but fuckin it spam api erros and pm2 dies

[wheat mesa]

cache does not perform API requests, if you have API related errors then it is not from that line

In fact cache.get doesn’t throw at all afaik

[crisp trout]

it shouldn't right?

[warm surge]

^

shouldnt but idk im using fucking sharding bullshit with this shit

so anything can and will happen with sharding bullshit

well shit imma test it out real quick

[wheat mesa]

The discord.js Collection class extends the JS native Map class. <Map>.get() never throws

The collection class doesn’t appear to override the get functionality

[crisp trout]

@warm surge will be curious of the outcome

[warm surge]

hold on fucking with commands since it got broken

[prime cliff]

I can think of a lot worse companies than google, at least they stick to their own lane.

Adobe and Ubisoft on the other hand can burn in hell.

[crisp trout]

ah yes Ubisoft is a classic

[warm surge]

it works

[swift barn]

for those using cloudflare IAUM
did ur challenge pages show this dark themed stuff (different wordings perhaps)
the original one or how it used to be is image 2 kinda like light grey or something

[crisp trout]

how did you go about it the method i mentioned or alternative?

[warm surge]

the method you mentioned

[crisp trout]

ggs

[quartz kindle]

https://naas.isalman.dev/no

"No As A Service (NAAS)"

[rustic nova]

cat as a service best

[neon leaf]

https://pglite.dev/

[eternal osprey]

hey, i thought that NPM doesn't do any malware checks

but according to their npm docs, they do? Lol since when

"Rather than tricking people into using a similarly-named package, attackers also try to add malicious behavior to existing popular packages. In partnership with Microsoft, npm both scans packages for known malicious content, and runs the packages to look for new patterns of behavior that could be malicious. This has led to a substantial reduction in malicious content in npm packages. Furthermore, our Trust and Safety team checks and removes malicious content reported by our users. Similar to dependency confusion attacks, we are constantly updating our detection services with new examples, so if you think a package contains malicious behavior, please let us know!"

[frosty gale]

on npm they probably do some kind of scanning, just not at install time, by the time you install the package wouldve already been verified by their system

although i wouldnt know how sophisticated it actually is

ive seen npm packages that had malware with basic obfuscation techniques such as converting to base64 then reversing the payload

[sharp geyser]

I got hit with an npm malware a few weeks ago

One of the packages I used had a dependency that injected malicious code into my environment and registry

Woke up to my computer opening PayPal on its own 💀

[crisp trout]

wait doesn't npm warn you? fairly sure it did whne you are installing?

[crisp trout]

holy if I pull this off embedd manipulation this will be finna goated as young kids say it fr fr no cap young rizz skibidi

ah no it's actually easy lol

[sharp geyser]

Not if it’s a dependency of a dependency

[crisp trout]

huh never noticed it actually lol

[quartz kindle]

welcome to npm hell

[crisp trout]

I guess yeah 😂

[frosty gale]

why is golang so good

atp im not even coding im having fun

[crisp trout]

I'm scared of Go

[frosty gale]

imagine if python and C had a baby, you get golang

[quartz kindle]

i am so popular i get a ton of friend requests from cute girls from the "DiscordServers" server :^)

[deft wolf]

[frosty gale]

thanks for the recommendation

[quartz kindle]

i dont even know why im there, its like the most scambot-filled server around

[deft wolf]

In the future I want to be like Tim

[quartz kindle]

i want to be like Tim, but for real, not with scambots xD

[frosty gale]

you just radiate JS optimisation vibes, its irresistible

[quartz kindle]

right now im radiating "fixing ASP.NET bugs with claude code"

i have no idea how any of this works, yet claude code keeps telling me "you are absolutely right"

[frosty gale]

they havent fired you yet?

[prime cliff]

Fixing asp.net with ai 😔 how could you

[quartz kindle]

no the previous maintainer quit

[crisp trout]

I APOLOGISE FOR THE MISTAKE!

[quartz kindle]

CLAUDE CODE USAGE LIMIT REACHED

[crisp trout]

are you poor? just add your credit card

[quartz kindle]

i am poor, cant afford max plan

[frosty gale]

get cursor and just keep buying the $20 plan on different accounts lol

i rarely go over the limit but then again i dont vibe code often

[crisp trout]

I use it for tedious things lol

but yeah it is cheaper, but cursor sucks.

[frosty gale]

bro cursor is as good as vibe coding gets 😭

it even has the anthropic claude models which is basically the standard for vibe coding

[crisp trout]

naaah

look at snoopy he's smiling and saying no.

Windsurf.

wait botghost is still active o.O?

[deft wolf]

Yes

They made some changes to how they store their tokens or something and now everything is fine

[crisp trout]

Oh nice, good for them I guess.

Anyhow, finally close to done, last thing is for mangament to define metrics for support agents and I think I'm done and try to find people for testing lol

[lament rock]

You're absolutely right! Thanks for catching my mistake. Let me fix that for you-
outputs entire code base and blows over limit

You're the expert!

[sharp geyser]

I get Claude to design the front end and then I just hook shit up

💀

Front end ass

[wheat mesa]

Gemini 3 Pro seems to be good at frontend using one single prompt, it gets about 80% of the way there, but it’s awful with editing. Claude/GPT 5.2 does the other 15%

Inevitably it will never get 100%, but usually good enough for my prototypes

[sharp geyser]

wtf is this

ok differnt question ik what it is

but is it even useable yet cause afaik it was rather ass

[sharp geyser]

for me claude gets it enough especially with its opus model

Doesn't get it 100% of my vision but enough for a prototype so I can prove my shit works

like this for example

frontend all done by claude, it used my existing graphql queries and laid everything out

its good enough for a mvp

[quasi scroll]

i have a question, my bot is on 17+ servers, but top.gg only says its on 3 servers? how do i fix that?

[deft wolf]

You must send the actual number of servers via the top.gg API

[quasi scroll]

ah okay

where can i find where i do that and what i send it to?

can only see GET not POST to anything other than commands

[deft wolf]

https://docs.top.gg/docs/API/v0/bot#post-stats

[quasi scroll]

thanks!

[frosty gale]

tf are the employees doing on their work pcs

[neon leaf]

rip using atera

(also using it at the company i work at)

[frosty gale]

its quite good just very expensive tbh

i kept battling with another colleague for a seat license when i first joined lol

now they laid off 2x tech people in an already tiny tech team

[neon leaf]

yeah we hve 1 license for 4 people

[past charm]

does anyone use antigravity?

[quartz kindle]

i do sometimes

[past charm]

Can you tell me how to make the AI ​​better

[digital swan]

'make no mistakes'

[past charm]

[teal kelp]

What do you guys think?

[past charm]

wifi?

[teal kelp]

Just waiting for my Wi-Fi to come

[past charm]

so what is it?

[teal kelp]

To Home lab mostly for my discord bots

[past charm]

where's your bot? I want to try

[teal kelp]

I used to host with hosting providers

[past charm]

[teal kelp]

It’s on top.GG

[past charm]

where

[teal kelp]

If you type my ID on there, you should be able to find it

[gleaming glen]

the holy comment

[teal kelp]

Not sure if we’re allowed to post it in here

[past charm]

send your bot id

1336067845284565105

[teal kelp]

729303155623460865

[past charm]

i will copy your commands

[teal kelp]

Once the leads done, then we’ll start pushing our commands out

[past charm]

How do you do that for a Minecraft profile? do you scrape?

[teal kelp]

It’s pretty easy to do

Ours are scraping from a private API

[past charm]

xbox?

[teal kelp]

Most Java in and the windows Minecraft

[past charm]

how many commands are in your bot

[teal kelp]

Currently 26

[past charm]

I have more

[teal kelp]

We’re currently working on things at the moment on the back end

So we’ve paused most of our production

[past charm]

look at this

[quartz kindle]

idk, i just use gemini 3 flash most of the time, as the 3 pro hits the rate limits too fast. it usually does a good enough job, but for anything serious/complex i use claude code instead

antigravity's AI autocomplete is pretty cool though

[teal kelp]

The last time we went with a hosting before that they screwed around and deleted 95% of our staff with no answers

[past charm]

If the limit moves Claude

[teal kelp]

The last time we went with a hosting before that they screwed around and deleted 95% of our staff with no answers so I don’t really trust hosting providers no more. I’d rather host stuff myself and know what goes into my products.

[quartz kindle]

which host was it?

[past charm]

do you have a team? when will I have a team?
I always do it myself

can i join your team

[teal kelp]

Sorry, we’re full

[past charm]

alright

[lime totem]

@cunning current bro

my bot have all in one lol ?

look

[cunning current]

please open a ticket in #staff-tickets to appeal your bot decline

[eternal osprey]

i am currently working on my bachelor thesis.
So far i know, you can upload packages and it doesn't get scanned until a while. So there's always a time window where you can get fucked.

For example latest hacks all involved updates and publishes that took like 15m-5h to detect.

but my question now is, does NPM not scan at all during publish/installation? As that's what my thesis revolves around

i genuinely can't find anything on the internet though, npm is being non-transparent about this shit.

[eternal osprey]

not always. NPM has an almost post-active way of checking for malware.

[crisp trout]

hmm interesting

[eternal osprey]

maybe @quartz kindle knows though

cuz if this assertion i make is fake i am cooked

[past charm]

Guys, try Jules, it's really cool.

[jaunty cypress]

I will Test it out Today

I wanna see if he can code better than Codex

[past charm]

jules can run the code for testing

[jaunty cypress]

Oh

[frosty gale]

maybe during publish but definitely not during installation because they can just do one scan for everyone on each publish on their backend while keeping their techniques secret
but always possible they ahve some kind of delay window between publish and scan since they probably have lots of people doing scans so they have a "queue" if you will, probably, especially if they plan or are using AI models

[teal kelp]

Built my Home lab today fun

[eternal osprey]

oh my days i am cooked

they do

my thesis just went out the window

[teal kelp]

My head is hurting from today

[crisp trout]

welcome to the club

[teal kelp]

I’ve been up since 6 o’clock this morning

[crisp trout]

I ain't clicking that

[deft wolf]

[frosty gale]

thats nothing to do with what you were talking about before though?

thats known and published vulnerabilities for a package in the database, not malware (sometimes malware in code is released as an advisory but its not common)

[crisp trout]

tldr npm audit for packages, but not package's package dependenciesp

[frosty gale]

npm audit checks your package lock, in other words all packages regardless of whether its a subdependency or not

otherwise it'd be kinda pointless

thats why audit can flag packages you never even installed because it also checks subdependencies of other packages you installed

but it does show you as a tree what package it belongs to

[eternal osprey]

Isnmt npm audit malware scans?

they scan for code signatures and known vulnerabilities?

My thesis was about machine learning classification upon installation and publish. A pro-aftive wait

i know audit is known issues but aren’t those including known scam signatures etc?

Or is it truly pro-active?

[lament rock]

Yerp. Only flagging known vulnerable packages, but doesnt always have to be specifically malware

For instance, your definition of prototype pollution may vary from the next guy