development

[long marsh]

Nothing is wrong with it

[prime cliff]

xD

[prime cliff]

Perfect

[sharp geyser]

I am using pnpm workspaces and am running into an issue where I have shared code for the client and server in one workspace but the client/server cannot access it.

apps/server dev: src/app.module.ts:6:20 - error TS2307: Cannot find module '@shared/auth' or its corresponding type declarations.
apps/server dev: 6 import {auth} from "@shared/auth";
apps/server dev:                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
apps/server dev: [12:00:09 AM] Found 1 error. Watching for file changes.

I gave the shared workspace it's own tsconfig

{
  "compilerOptions": {
    "rootDir": "src",
    "outDir": "../../dist/shared",
    "composite": true,
    "declaration": true
  }
}

{
  "compilerOptions": {
    "rootDir": "src",
    "outDir": "dist"
  },
  "references": [
    {
      "path": "../shared"
    }
  ],
  "extends": "./tsconfig.json",
  "exclude": ["node_modules", "test", "dist", "**/*spec.ts"]
}

I also reference the workspace in the client/server workspace

@lyric mountain so I might of caused an endless loop with jetbrains junie 😭

I changed the file structure in between commands/processes and now it thinks it made those changes and is struggling to figure it out

[pearl trail]

💀 lmao, glad i can make mine use smaller

not much, 24gb ram (im broke) and 1x xeon e5-2965v3

[radiant kraken]

that's so cool!!!

it's still impressive nonetheless!

what are you making takiyo?

[pearl trail]

nothing

just doing what every home labbers do xD

[neon flicker]

Is Discord bot development still an active field?

[deft wolf]

People still make bots, yes

[lyric mountain]

wtf ur gaslighting junie

[frosty gale]

doesnt feel the same like it did before though :(

got too serious after the bot verification and intent update

[neon leaf]

@harsh nova

[harsh nova]

Thanks

[sharp geyser]

I couldn’t help it mannnn

[neon flicker]

Honestly it seems like fewer people do that nowadays

[sharp geyser]

It was hilarious watching the output

It kept going "Wait, I never called any functions to change this", "WAIT WHAT IS GOING ON"

[lyric mountain]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

and it was just an endless loop of that and it analyzing the output of each step it took

😭

It eventually recognized it was "halucinating" the changes

and moved on but it went on for like 20m

[lyric mountain]

junie manages to be very human sometimes

and you asking it to fetch a left-handed wrench

[clever tundra]

alright i request redemption...... a lot of changes have been made, can I has feedback?
https://status.trackerbot.xyz/

[clever tundra]

a question on dashboards.... how do dashboards do it so that when you save changes on a function or smth, the page doesnt reload and yet it still just saves it
currently i have url paths to update database stuff while maintaining auth/perms etc but its neither pretty nor fun. its all done via FastAPI and IPC routes (quite frankly I dont know how it works, it was half tutorial)

yes this is a noob question yes I dont know much about web dev roast me later pls

[delicate zephyr]

depands on the framework you're using

a lot of people use nextjs/react with express etc to make requests when you switch tabs, it submits the data to an endpoint and saves

or they store it in memory to save state

[clever tundra]

Python | discord.py | discord.ext.ipc | FastAPI | idk what else there is

im mostly talking the ones where you have to click save changes before doing anything else and then it just magically saves it without reloading or anything

[delicate zephyr]

Oh thats just it making a post endpoint using fetch

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API

[frosty gale]

tbh in general the entire flow isnt fun and usually is messy

closest framework i found that abstracts and deals with that for you is remixjs but it forces you to use form posts 🤢

[clever tundra]

It's just every dashboard I see does it and I never knew how

I see more with it than without it

[clever tundra]

yay i made it work

[regal night]

guys I have a question I’m new to top.gg my bot just got accepted how do I have an interactive description?

just like evicts for example

[deft wolf]

You can use html/css in your bot's long description

[regal night]

oh I see thanks brother

[delicate zephyr]

nextjs does too

if you ever get the chance you should look into tanstack

[quartz kindle]

am using sveltekit and regret going the form actions route. they have a neat and fancy forms system, but its a tad convoluted and everything would be so much easier if i went api endpoints for everything

[queen needle]

just make a theroetically page for all the data that it could be

if they can change a name, make a different page for every name

[quartz kindle]

LMAO

SSR 4 billion pages

[queen needle]

serves faster than dynamic name too

for that one page

[frosty gale]

ah i assume all other major frameworks adopted the form post system, iirc remixjs was the first to do it which made me write one of my apps in it

or at least first major one to implement it into a framework

[delicate zephyr]

I mean not really

nextjs doesnt use form posts

a lot of the frameworks use fetch api, form posts are ancient

[frosty gale]

well im not sure if it works like a form post behind the scenes but its probably just a fetch, idea is you use a custom "form" component that will call an action handler on the server you defined in the same file, handles some errors and state refresh for you

[delicate zephyr]

thats just react tbf

and since remixjs is built on react it's not surprising

nextjs is also build on react

Remix and NextJs are one in the same, a framework on top of react

NextJS came before Remix too as far as I know

[frosty gale]

yeah nextjs came first, remixjs was supposed to be a "fresh" version of nextjs, and it did have some cool unique features at first but it looks like all major frameworks have them now

so im not sure how much they differ anymore syntax aside

[delicate zephyr]

I think it's literally just syntax tbf

also, Next is still more widely used in the job market from what I can tell

[frosty gale]

more or less yeah aside from angular based frameworks

those are the big 2 from what ive seen job searching

too bad i havent seen many jobs for svelte, friendliest one ive used and doesnt overcomplicate stuff like react does with its virtual dom

[neon leaf]

how are selfhosted github runners on windows arm64 SO BAD

WHAT IS THIS

ive spent the last 4 hours trying to get my runner to ping github

x86 - no issue, 5min and done

[delicate zephyr]

Why not just setup docker on arm64

[neon leaf]

arm64? hoho no, ofc not

[delicate zephyr]

and then use the docker based github runners?

[neon leaf]

not the issue

github is refusing the token after installation

every time

[delicate zephyr]

you're running into the exact issue I ended up using docker instead of because

not to mention it meant I could use my PAT instead of some arbitrary token. Automatically registers and handles removal of the runners when they get recreated too

also allowing more than 1 runner per machine

[neon leaf]

does the docker image work with native windows?

[delicate zephyr]

should do

Unless you mean does it have a windows based install which allows you to build using windows libraries then unlikely

https://github.com/myoung34/docker-github-actions-runner

[neon leaf]

yea i need to build using windows libs, the linux runners are all working fine

ill try 1 windows reinstall to see if that fixes anything, otherwise im just giving up on arm64 windows for now

[prime cliff]

Ah yes using windows for github runners very efficient and sane

[neon leaf]

yes

[queen needle]

I didn't ask you yesterday but when you sent your db tables, howcome there wasn't a members one like server members?/how do you handle that?

[prime cliff]

Oh dam good point i forgot >_>

[queen needle]

Ahh lmao

[prime cliff]

🙂 fixed members and done some sub-mapping types

[queen needle]

Awesome

[long marsh]

I'm thinking through an implementation right now for my discord application... it's stateless over HTTP; however, I have the need for a "/lobby" mechanism where folks can join a lobby (but it deducts from their balance ahead of time). If the host decides simply not to click "start", I need to have some sort of hook after some sort of expiry (let's say 1 minute).

What would you do?

1. Use a message broker service (LavinMQ, net new infra for my stack) and enqueue messages for a poller service to continuously poll. (The poller will update the discord message after the fact / add the funds back)
2. Use postgres (my database engine) and insert records for a poller service to continuously poll.
3. Use valkey (my cache engine) and use sorted sets for a poller service to continuously poll.

And if there's something obvious I'm not thinking of, I'd love to hear opinions / thoughts.

[prime cliff]

If it's only 1 minute a few databases like mongodb/scylla can have rows that expire then you can listen for that change and act on it

[long marsh]

You can make postgres do this as well, but I didn't like that idea as much

[prime cliff]

How come?

[long marsh]

It felt as though I'm using a drill to hammer a nail, so to speak. Postgres is a beast / can do anything ... but there's a fine line of doing everything with it lol

[prime cliff]

Can you not listen for changes on postgres or?

[long marsh]

I talked with Claude through the architecture, and it ultimately recommended the sorted set approach (where it's sorted by date) ... but meh

[long marsh]

I'm sure you can through some sort of CDC configuration

[prime cliff]

You could just sort by date after utc + 1 minute yea and then delete rows that way

[long marsh]

Right, the poller would continuosly query for that particular table and "remove" games in bulk that expired.

[prime cliff]

🙂 reactions and embeds data done

[long marsh]

Apparently, it's as easy as this in valkey:

// When lobby created
redis.ZAdd("lobby_expirations", redis.Z{
    Score: time.Now().Add(1*time.Minute).Unix(),
    Member: lobbyID,
})

// Worker polls every 30-60 seconds
func worker() {
    lobbies := redis.ZPopMin("lobby_expirations", 100, 
        where score < now)
    // Process refunds in Postgres
}

[prime cliff]

Yea redis could work too

[long marsh]

Redis = Valkey

Well, not exactly .. Valkey is a fork of redis

[pearl trail]

go!!!!!!

😎

[long marsh]

Are you a gopher as well?

[pearl trail]

yes!! easy and simple language yet powerful for cases i need

[prime cliff]

Almost done 🙂

[prime cliff]

Soft-deleted channels that get archived for 7 days until delete (So they are not just permanently gone or nuked), generated user and bot avatars using parts, more split permissions such as Manage Apps and Manage Role Permissions, Group channel webhooks/apps, In-app reports with account warnings that actually work, Expired bans, In-app developers stuff and a Server mod view system.

[radiant kraken]

i wish i could use go very soon 🥺 i really wanted to use a go framework for my latest project but ended up stuck with rust's tauri after comparing both frameworks' performances 😭

maybe in my next project, go will play a role

[radiant kraken]

what are you making?

[prime cliff]

A chat app which will have some nice features and fully cross-platform, older image already fixed server title alignment

[radiant kraken]

awesome!

what are you using?

[prime cliff]

Avalonia C#

[radiant kraken]

interesting

[prime cliff]

Already done a bit of testing and mobile improvements

[radiant kraken]

SO COOL!

pain

[frosty gale]

windows??? good luck 💀

id never touch that on windows with a 10 foot pole

[frosty gale]

not sure if youve come up with something yet but im struggling to understand your infra, are these services running independently? are they on the same server? i dont see how youd need a message broker to accomplish this (very rarely do you ever)

postgres is probably ok for this but use an in-memory table since i assume you dont care about it persisting since its so short lived

[delicate zephyr]

most stateless gateways use a message broker for events

allowing you to spin up multiple gateways across multiple machines for vertical scaling

we use rabbitmq for our gateway on topstats to allow us to ensure we can reboot consumers without losing events, meaning the gateway can run and we can still track events for the new servers dashboard, even if we update the consumer

[frosty gale]

yes but that only makes sense if you have multiple machines or multiple services that can also potentially dynamically spin up or down, i am assuming a very minimal setup here with only one server

[delicate zephyr]

I always just assume its going to be a wider used product unless otherwise specified

and preparing for scaling is never a bad idea

in their case, either valkey/mq is probably a better idea that postgres

as polling the database every 5 minutes is wasted disk hits if it can just be store in memory

any place you can listen for or just recieve events is better than having to hit the database continuously

[frosty gale]

hence why i suggested an in-memory table, but i am always heavily against preemptive scaling because you are potentially preparing for something that can never happen
usually the simplest solution unless you have a reason not to works the best, structuring your services where you can easily upgrade to a distributed layout in preparation is also really good without actually committing

but then again, if they are already using a message broker/cache then they might as well use it, my thought process was more pre-message-broker, so i would agree with you here

[delicate zephyr]

I always go with pre-emptive scaling with a catch...
if it's simple to use and put in the middle of what you're already using... why not. it's a learning experience
just because it may never happen doesnt mean it wont

for example: most people just assuming you dont need to shard when making a discord bot, then get to the limit, and end up needing to either shut down the bot because the bot takes up so much resources after x amount of time because the library they use isnt meant for large discord bots, or they have to do a full rewrite whilst using 4x the resources they would have used if they decided to use something more efficient and learn

I refuse to use discord.js for anything that's meant to / expected to "grow" even if unlikely just as an example

I'll use their HTTP/API helpers, but their actual gateway / cache is wildly innefficient if you actually need the cache

just as an example, we cache literally everything for topstats, which to give you an overview of our infra

Gateway -> RabbitMQ -> Consumer
Interactions are HTTP based

Gateway tracks events to create server insights etc

consumers store the events in redis and then a cronjob consolidates all of those into minute based analytics and clears the keys

using a redis cache allows us to keep cache valid even after a reboot / also means we dont have to do a full gateway reboot for an update to the analytics engine

It's also just insanely more efficient, 1.1GB for about 1m cache objects

@frosty gale am interested to see what you think of the above btw, you opinions are pretty sound so happy to discuss

[radiant kraken]

@pearl trail hey, sorry for bothering you haha but can you check dms?

[prime cliff]

Check your DMs or you'll get coal next year :p

[frosty gale]

im not familiar with topstats so youll have to bear with me, but what is coming through the gateway? is it stats submitted from bots/some automation? from your site i see you source the data from topgg - do you gather this data somehow and have it sent to your gateway then queue?

but it looks solid in theory, especially if you have data coming through where potentially losing it is bad then having rabbitmq also provides some assurance of integrity since you wont have events silently go missing, im not sure what kind of load/traffic youre operating under but it also enables easy scaling across instances
id probably be a lot more conservative on the caching and opt in to do a lot more rebuilding to save on some storage and memory, but if you have spare resources then i dont see why not (i always try to run as light as possible up until things start to noticeably slow down for users or disk/cores start maxing out, also not sure if you mean you're literally caching everything), especially since youre not using much to store that to begin with, although since redis allows you to store cold entries to disk anyways it sort of becomes a moot point in terms of memory

without being on the team i cant really say more because there are many nuances to everything in this industry but nothing particularly stands out 🙂, i do a lot of low level code and work in very resource constrained environments like microcontrollers with sometimes not even kilobytes of memory, so i always implicitly jump to doing the most you can with what you have without adding additional complexity or independent services (aka simpler)

[delicate zephyr]

Oh right, you havent got full context

[frosty gale]

yeah that's true, they have improved it significantly since a while ago it used to cache every single thing to the point where you had to manually clear the internal caches or have another library (shout out to discord.js light) if you wanted to scale, but still very simplistic

[delicate zephyr]

this is what we're building

this is what the gateway is for

the top.gg fetcher is an entirely seperate service that runs every hour and pushes straight to our postgres & timescale db's respectively

[delicate zephyr]

we have our beta bot in a few large servers, by few I mean 5, for testing at the moment and we're seeing these sort of metrics, so we're preparing to scale

the data is how we calculate the analytics that go to the database so ensuring data integrity is vital for accurate insights for server owners

[lyric mountain]

the top 3 badges feel a bit off for the site aesthetics

like, everything else is material, but the badges are glossy

[delicate zephyr]

thats something you cna raise with Xig, I dont do the frontend 🤣

I handle the data and infra

I'll let him know tho

[lyric mountain]

but it's looking good nonetheless, the layout is easy on the eyes

[delicate zephyr]

we're going for competition with statbot.net

which is honestly rough on the eyes

[prime cliff]

That's a lot of tracking and stats wew

[delicate zephyr]

we're gonna allow requesting data to be anonymised too

just because we actually care for users

[neon leaf]

what db are you using for the stats?

[delicate zephyr]

timescale

[neon leaf]

i c

[delicate zephyr]

server stats gets heavily downsampled

[neon leaf]

im currently storing my 46 million rows of stats in pg

[delicate zephyr]

we have 2.5 billion in timescale

[neon leaf]

moving them to clickhouse the next few days

yeah, mine have to be heavily purged constantly due to replication

16gb of data in these few rows

[delicate zephyr]

timesclae has built in compression for that

2.5B rows = 190-200GB

uncompressed it's closer to 600-700GB

[prime cliff]

I don't really like clickhouse and similar, they tend to use up way too much ram for no reason

[neon leaf]

well, i still havent decided on anything, pg is just definitely not the good choice anymore, the replicas are all running out of storage

[delicate zephyr]

timescale uses 4GB idle

12GB under load

[queen needle]

I don't understand how there are replicas?(I've never dealt with anything on this scale. I'm just curious)

[long marsh]

I do care about memory. In the event that someone either stops playing and/or the host disbands a party and/or someone doesn't make a turn in a game that's turned-based, I need to ensure that I "refund" the money back to all the players in the lobby.

If it's in memory, a server restart would kill all lobbies going.

[delicate zephyr]

in that case, use a disk based database. Like postgres

[proud sky]

Hello! I am looking for some help with importing commands from discord onto top.gg just I am unsure how to do it in the 1st place at all, some help would be great with it because I got 0 idea where to start....

i've mainly been working on my one website trying to resolve some bugs on it

[delicate zephyr]

you post the same data you post to discord to top.gg via this endpoint
https://docs.top.gg/docs/API/v1/projects#update-discord-bot-commands

[acoustic bough]

@humble gyro basically my entire description broke lol

[deft wolf]

Crazy support scam

[delicate zephyr]

@solemn latch

[proud sky]

awesome thank you (:

[delicate zephyr]

yw 😄

[solemn latch]

tyty

[delicate zephyr]

you're welcome

[humble gyro]

link

[acoustic bough]

https://top.gg/bot/1125449347451068437

[humble gyro]

where are your images in html

[acoustic bough]

the black boxes are youtube iframes

<iframe title="Free YouTube Notifications for Discord with Wamellow" src="https://youtube.com/embed/NS5fZ1ltovE" style="max-height: 38.7rem!important" width="100%" referrerpolicy="no-referrer" sandbox="allow-scripts"></iframe>

[tacit kindle]

1 question can i ask ppl to help me with stuff here + would it count as self promo?

[humble gyro]

I do not see any iframes rendered

[acoustic bough]

thse black boxes are supposed to be youtube embeds

[delicate zephyr]

there are iframes Veld

[humble gyro]

gotcha i see them now

[tacit kindle]

whats this for?

[acoustic bough]

to show a youtube video in my bot desc

[humble gyro]

why did your iframe crash tho

[delicate zephyr]

Gotta love security patches lol

[humble gyro]

what does it rely on that it doesn't get

[delicate zephyr]

It's trying to read cookies

[tacit kindle]

i see and it doesnt work ?

[delicate zephyr]

Uncaught SecurityError: Failed to read the 'caches' property from 'Window': Cache storage is disabled because the context is sandboxed and lacks the 'allow-same-origin' flag.

[acoustic bough]

cors

[delicate zephyr]

SecurityError: Failed to read the 'cookie' property from 'Document': The document is sandboxed and lacks the 'allow-same-origin' flag.

[humble gyro]

yeah the cookie you may need to fix yourself

we can't really allow you to read cookies as an iframe on top.gg

I'll check why the youtube embed is wacky

[acoustic bough]

I should not set cookies on the site, outside of the ones cloudflare sets

[humble gyro]

i tested specifically youtube embeds

so that's odd

[delicate zephyr]

You should allow same origin veld

from what I can tell

sandbox="allow-same-origin"

[humble gyro]

we allow it for a few domains

but not any domain

[delicate zephyr]

afaik that only allows it to access the cookies of the origin of the iframe no?

am I wrong, or did I read something wrong about how the sandbox with that flag works

[humble gyro]

not quite

let me investigate why your specific youtube embeds break

then we can check on the other things

kk fixed:

[long marsh]

Yep agreed. I opted for option #2 since I needed the data to be relational anyways. Polling a postgres table every 30 seconds with 1 worker will be sufficient until larger scale.

[humble gyro]

deploying to prod ina moment

[acoustic bough]

[humble gyro]

Like i've been saying for a while though, I would generally recommend not using iframes. They're a can of worms of pain for both me and the dev

[long marsh]

Do you think you'll deprecate the usage of them eventually? Can't imagine they're good for SEO either

[humble gyro]

Too many bots use them to properly deprecate them

so best I can do is tell people not to use them because there's no value gained from adding them

• you slow down your page load because the iframe document blocks the initial render
• you dont get a backlink from it, just use the website social tag for that.
• the content usually is malformed due to the even more odd sizings

[delicate zephyr]

honestly the main issue I have with top.gg is the description editor is a pain to use

which is likely the reason a lot of people use iframes tbf

[acoustic bough]

yeah it kinda should be a full-size monaco editor

[humble gyro]

:)

[delicate zephyr]

would be nice if it was syntax highlighted and such yea

but im guessing thats in the works / in the idea pipeline lol

[tacit kindle]

does anyone know if alwaysdata.com is a secure website to host my bot on ?

[delicate zephyr]

if it's free, you're the product

[humble gyro]

ok fine i will leak a thing

[acoustic bough]

yeah no, you should just pay the 2-3eur a month

[sharp geyser]

no one's forcing you too 😭

[humble gyro]

i like doing it

[tacit kindle]

hmm i see

[sharp geyser]

lmfaooo

[sharp geyser]

See, I dont know if any of that is new

:p

I havent used top.gg in years

[humble gyro]

uncommon Aaron L

[sharp geyser]

woah wtf

:((

never using top.gg again now

[delicate zephyr]

oh appearance

[sharp geyser]

gonna go to other bot sites to get my bots

[delicate zephyr]

guessing that'll be the css editor?

[humble gyro]

among other things

[delicate zephyr]

sweet

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/nLK2YrNnJMN.gif

[delicate zephyr]

are we gonna get a monaco editor for description tho :^)

or will it forever look like this

[humble gyro]

not ... yet.

[delicate zephyr]

ah

good enough for me

[humble gyro]

i mean embedding all of vscode would be crazy

[delicate zephyr]

also you havent responded to that dm yet btw I assume you had a hellish monday

[humble gyro]

i do want to eventually write an actual editor

notion style + code editor advanced mode

[sharp geyser]

me when you just generate a link for a vscode editor /j

[acoustic bough]

wait I have a solution for the people to can't get past 300 chars:
"Imagine description with Top.gg AI ✨"

[humble gyro]

i also considered just letting u link a git repo tbh

[acoustic bough]

[delicate zephyr]

like a readme file?

[humble gyro]

kinda yeah

[delicate zephyr]

I was legitamately gonna suggest that

LOL

that would be so nice tbh

have the information in the readme, and have it pull in with refresh-data or something

[humble gyro]

i mean we'd just install a github integration in your repo that pushes it to the api

commit hook on actions

would be the cleanest way

[delicate zephyr]

hmm

I guess that would be we'd need an entirely seperate repo for top.gg descriptions

feel like that would be a bit rough tbh

cause idk I feel like no one is gonna add a top.gg integration to their bots private source code

[humble gyro]

yeah i would highly recommend a different repo hahaha

[delicate zephyr]

at which point would it only pull in 1 file?

if so, then why not just use a gist?

[humble gyro]

there's no difference between letting us pull your entire repo or adding an integration

[acoustic fern]

#announcements is such a work around for imgur leaving the uk lol

[delicate zephyr]

yea I'm aware, which is why I ask 😄

[acoustic fern]

Now I can view my gifs 🔥

[humble gyro]

funny

[humble gyro]

we could automatically index references i suppose

e.g. images

and add them to the top.gg cdn for you

[delicate zephyr]

oh fair

[humble gyro]

different locales could be added as well

best to keep it open ended

[delicate zephyr]

oh thats a good point

[humble gyro]

as feature set grows

[delicate zephyr]

touche

[humble gyro]

but this is purely hypothetical

hahaha

appearance is something im excited about tho

[delicate zephyr]

idk I guess start small (fix the editor) and make big later

[delicate zephyr]

same

ig you'll make an announcement about it in #topgg-testing at some point?

[humble gyro]

yeah eventually

its not that high on the todo list

[delicate zephyr]

fairs

Q1 is gonna be exciting tbh

got a lot of crap to do for topstats too

[humble gyro]

[delicate zephyr]

have you seen the screenshot?

[delicate zephyr]

sorting the data for this

is pain

[humble gyro]

jeez

[delicate zephyr]

guess where the activity heatmap inspo was from

that was my suggestion

[humble gyro]

ye i see it hah

the presence data is kinda cool tho

[delicate zephyr]

xig is killing it with the frontend tbh

[delicate zephyr]

we'll have an api, maybe you could integrate with it :^)

[humble gyro]

is looks neat yeah

🤔 i mean the benefit wouldnt be that great for me

[delicate zephyr]

true

[humble gyro]

i need data from servers on top.gg, not random servers

[delicate zephyr]

You only store the last 30d for server analytics right

do you also have presences

@pliant gorge

[humble gyro]

no, we dont track anything we dont need

[delicate zephyr]

ah fair

we gotta apply for presences

it's a pain, and discord are so much more strict with it now

[humble gyro]

yeah makes sense tho

[long marsh]

broooo this seems like scope creep if I've ever seen it haha

[humble gyro]

ive done it before

[delicate zephyr]

I remember veld.chat

[queen needle]

This is very fun to do

[long marsh]

Doesn't mean that you should opt to doing it / maintaining it when your primary business isn't the editor (just imo)

Not criticizing, just observing

[humble gyro]

fully custom editor

[queen needle]

I love writing editors

[long marsh]

I love writing a ton of stuff because it's fun, but doesn't mean that I should write it for actual production usage 🤣

[delicate zephyr]

I mean

veld made partake.gg

[humble gyro]

yeah fair

[delicate zephyr]

goated app btw

[humble gyro]

for top.gg i would prolly use a pre-existing editor

[long marsh]

it looks nice at well

[humble gyro]

i just want to control the schema

thats important to me

[queen needle]

lexical + custom

[humble gyro]

because otherwise i can't extend it

[long marsh]

there's plenty of off the shelf things lik this

[humble gyro]

ye true

i did some research into uhh

[delicate zephyr]

there's ones that mimic the vscode one too

[long marsh]

I've had to do this before – and many of the editors allow custom "plugins" that you can create. For an AI summarization product I helped with, I had to do this.

[humble gyro]

i always feel that the plugins system always come with painful amount of footgun

[delicate zephyr]

"oh it cant do that? fuuuuuuu-"

[queen needle]

Idr what package it was but I tried using a package with plugins for an editor and had to use pollution to get the solution for what I wanted

[humble gyro]

there's an insane amount of libs that do rich text too its insane lmao

[long marsh]

yeah for sure

It felt like a footgun the whole time I had to deal with it and maintain it lol

[humble gyro]

classic case of text inpputs

but tbh

i need a better text editor for the updates panel too

its so rediculous how little you can do with updates on top.gg rn

i really want to encourage ppl to use updates

so i can add it to the scoring system

like i want stuff on top.gg to be vibrant and actively updated

so that people get a better experience

[delicate zephyr]

can you make an api to push updates too

like commands 👀

cause they we can automate update posts with changelogs etc

[humble gyro]

would be too complex for people if i make it more featureful

good luck pushing a rich text schema

[delicate zephyr]

I mean, allowing raw text via api is fine no?

doesnt necessarily need to support rich text

but I get your point

[humble gyro]

does someone have a good guide for a linux dual boot

[delicate zephyr]

most ubuntu based installed support dual boot and will sort the boot loader for you

I recommend anyone who just wants a simple linux experience to pick a flavour of Ubuntu, like Budgie, Xubuntu, Kubuntu etc and go from there

unless you specifically want a step-by-step guide

I can find you one

[mighty scroll]

Hello, i have a question. My bot has around 1100 server. We did not make any update but since Sunday the bot has a huge issue when is sending data to DB(i think). We did not change anything or do any update on server or bot, it's same since before. Did someone had ever an issue like this? I don't even know where or what to check, but i'm thinking if maybe something on OS broke?

[solemn latch]

Sounds like you just need to debug the issue

I would debug the issue in code, if it doesn't work out I'd assume its the database, if its not the database then I'd start questioning other things.

[long marsh]

yep agreed

[long marsh]

what OS?

[humble gyro]

not sure

im not a linux guy so i am considering something simple like ubuntu or hannah montana linux

would unironically use steamOS

[long marsh]

do you favor customization or something that just works?

[humble gyro]

customization would be nice but less about TUI and more about graphical

[long marsh]

And what graphics card do you have?

[humble gyro]

4070

nvidia

[wheat mesa]

Mint is nice as a beginner daily driver

Based on Ubuntu

[humble gyro]

mmm

[wheat mesa]

Never used it as a dual boot system, but had a good experience as my sole OS on my older laptop with meh hardware

[humble gyro]

gotcha

[long marsh]

Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu are all clean stable OS's that you can leverage.

[humble gyro]

hmmm

oka

[long marsh]

I did have problems with NVIDIA drivers last I used linux though ... but heard it was improved.

[humble gyro]

i will check it out

i hope so

[long marsh]

It made it unusable for me at the time on my 1050 TI 😄

[clever tundra]

Ubuntu, mint or bazzite are the most basic for new users

[long marsh]

great imo for getting your feet wet

[delicate zephyr]

Xubuntu is windows like

has a lot of the comforts windows has as well as being customizable

[humble gyro]

my main thing that stops me is that i play league

[long marsh]

Fedora KDE as well

[clever tundra]

Or hear me out

[humble gyro]

i know awful reason

[clever tundra]

Build your own version of Linux

[humble gyro]

next top.gg update: never

[long marsh]

I've used Lutris for this before

[delicate zephyr]

cant anymore

league requires vanguard now

their kernal antishit

[humble gyro]

rip

[long marsh]

damn

[humble gyro]

exactly this

[delicate zephyr]

this is the exact distro im running rn veld

https://ubuntubudgie.org/

[wheat mesa]

Why run Linux at all tho? If you want to play games I’d definitely stay on windows

[humble gyro]

instability

[long marsh]

Yep, exactly

[delicate zephyr]

Linux is more ideal for dev environments

[humble gyro]

dev experience

[sharp geyser]

sorry for ur loss

[humble gyro]

windows has been SHIT for me recently

[wheat mesa]

I had a windows tower at home, then I had a laptop running mint for work/dev

[delicate zephyr]

I use this cause im poor and cant afford a macbook

[humble gyro]

andi dont mind moving to windwos for just a game of tft or smth

[long marsh]

unironically, I'd recommend a mac

[humble gyro]

i have a mac

[long marsh]

Oh?

Is it not sufficient enough?

[wheat mesa]

I hated the Mac dev experience personally

[humble gyro]

just not ideal

[long marsh]

how lmao

How is the MacOS not a good development experience?

[humble gyro]

i enjoy my desktop

[wheat mesa]

It’s like Linux but with all of the inconveniences of windows

[long marsh]

I disagree with the take

[humble gyro]

i agree with u thomas dev exp on mac is great

[sharp geyser]

Developing on mac had to be the worst experience ever

[humble gyro]

which is also why im considering linux

[wheat mesa]

I hate how expensive it is too

[humble gyro]

windows dev exp is the absolute F tier shit

[delicate zephyr]

@humble gyro have a look through https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavors

[wheat mesa]

Windows dev experience < Mac dev < Linux dev

[long marsh]

I actually went Windows -> Linux (got pissed off) -> Mac

[humble gyro]

ooo peak

[sharp geyser]

Mac had too many security features that made development abnoxious

[wheat mesa]

Windows is a pain in the ass for any low level languages

[delicate zephyr]

Just homebrew it lmao

[sharp geyser]

every time I was doing something I had to enter my password, or make some sort of key, or some other shit

[wheat mesa]

C++ developer experience on windows is horseshit

[delicate zephyr]

I have never had an issue with development on mac

[delicate zephyr]

you can disable this fairly easily btw

[humble gyro]

ngl this page tells me nothing

[long marsh]

I have a terminal emulator, i have brew as my package manager, and everything just works. bash scripts, fish shell, etc.

[sharp geyser]

not on my older mac,

I tried and it still was enabled

[delicate zephyr]

Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Budgie, Mate and Mint are all good choices

if you wanted specific names to look into videos for

[humble gyro]

ooo ok

[solemn latch]

kubuntu is what I'm on now

[delicate zephyr]

Kubuntu is honestly super nice to run

[humble gyro]

looks clean

[delicate zephyr]

https://kubuntu.org/

[long marsh]

Also, I personally don't like this @humble gyro. See how much "customization" / "flavors" there are? I'd rather just stick with an opinionated OS and focus on what really matters.

Just my 2 cents

[humble gyro]

valid

[long marsh]

There's so many distractions in the world ... my os isn't one of them haha

[humble gyro]

i should just run arch

[delicate zephyr]

valid take but for desktop Mac isnt an option

[long marsh]

arch, btw

[delicate zephyr]

unless you pay an arm and a let for their hardware

linux is next best option for people with base hardware but no apple chip

its why I run linux on my non-macbook laptops

[long marsh]

I have a Macbook Air M4 with upgraded ram at 24gb ... hooked into a dock ... serving a widescreen. Not sure what the problem is

[wheat mesa]

Ubuntu based distros are the Linux equivalent of “it just works”

[humble gyro]

prolly works fine

[long marsh]

not from my experience

[delicate zephyr]

How much did that cost tho

[wheat mesa]

You won’t fight it a lot (compared to other distros) and it’s very simple

[long marsh]

$1,200 with a deal

[humble gyro]

i just always had a desktop so i purely use my macbook for travel work

[delicate zephyr]

could build a pc for less
the price tag is what stops most people from getting a mac

and yea thats how most people run it veld

I have a work macbook

[humble gyro]

for me, it's about my comfort zone i guess

macbook is acceptable when im out

[delicate zephyr]

but its so old I just run my linux machine and use the mac for ios builds for mobile

[long marsh]

Can you at this point? Isn't RAM a shit ton now :D?

[delicate zephyr]

DDR4 isnt

[long marsh]

Ah true

[delicate zephyr]

DDR5 is a joke

[wheat mesa]

RAM shortage is rough rn

[solemn latch]

👀 my 5 year old cpu beats an m4?

[humble gyro]

good thing i bought 128gb of ddr5 ram at the start of this year

[delicate zephyr]

lmao

[wheat mesa]

Yeah idk why everyone praises the apple m series chips as being amazing

[solemn latch]

I thought m4 was way more powerful

[humble gyro]

its pretty good

[delicate zephyr]

its good

for a mobile arm chip

[long marsh]

their architecture is fantastic

[solemn latch]

as far as?

[long marsh]

after the initial docker debacle was figured out, it's been smooth sailing ever since

[humble gyro]

the shared memory buffer is peak tbh

[solemn latch]

price to perf it doesnt seem like it

[wheat mesa]

Ryzen ftw

[humble gyro]

show specs

[solemn latch]

I'm on a 5900x

[wheat mesa]

I'm on a 5800x

[humble gyro]

[long marsh]

i mean .. probably. but it goes to my earlier point of wanting something that just "works" and is opinionated for me / doesn't give me as much customization / cognitive load

Just my personal philosophy. I see the merit in customization.

[delicate zephyr]

most of its subjective and personal preference tbf... and wallet size

[solemn latch]

ye ^

[delicate zephyr]

Apple's known as the walled garden because of the price tag mostly

[long marsh]

that's true as well. my wallet size is fine 🤣 ... I'm blessed

[humble gyro]

buy 1 year of top.gg premium pls

[delicate zephyr]

I would get a mac if I didnt need 8 grand for my fiancee's visa lmfao

[long marsh]

it's good because I'm responsible with my money and don't buy stuff I wouldn't use 👀

I fund your website through topgg auctions, don't worry

[delicate zephyr]

OOF

[humble gyro]

peak

[delicate zephyr]

🤣

[long marsh]

Not calling your premium not useful, lol. Just not useful for me

[humble gyro]

its kinda weak

ngl

[long marsh]

It's a donation service, my guy

I kid, Veld

[humble gyro]

we pay more to book the taxes than we make on premium

... unironically i would MAKE money if i closed it down

[delicate zephyr]

why not just... remove it then

[humble gyro]

future plans

[delicate zephyr]

fair

[solemn latch]

We had some good plans in staff chat ^-^

[humble gyro]

ye exactly!

[delicate zephyr]

I guess topstats is in the same state tbf

[humble gyro]

just need to get to the point where we can do some stuff!

[delicate zephyr]

we wouldnt make a profit without marco

[solemn latch]

Things I think are exciting

marco ❤️

[humble gyro]

the goat

[delicate zephyr]

Bet you cant wait to yeet Luca

[long marsh]

what/who is marco? sorry out of the loop

[humble gyro]

@modern sable the goat

[delicate zephyr]

^

[long marsh]

went to website ... all in german. oof

I'm american, i can't read anything other than english ... c'mon guys

[delicate zephyr]

its in english?

[modern sable]

...german?

[long marsh]

holy shit! i must have just hallucinated

you're right, and now I'm worried

[delicate zephyr]

Also marco

[modern sable]

The second half of my alias is german lmao

[delicate zephyr]

update the dbl stats link

LMAO

[modern sable]

right

[solemn latch]

you might be an AI ^-^

[long marsh]

i'm cooked

[modern sable]

yea i should do that

[long marsh]

been talking to claude too much

[delicate zephyr]

Bro using the same thats a year old now lol

[humble gyro]

time to take your yearly holiday break

[delicate zephyr]

[long marsh]

anthropic increased limits to 2X until today ... so need to get on it.

Vibe coding away on personal projects. Been great.

[humble gyro]

about that wallet

[long marsh]

Like said, I'm blessed

$225k/yr right now

[humble gyro]

reminds me i need to cancel my cursor sub

not bad at all

[long marsh]

not the best, not the worst

in terms of US compensation, I mean

for my level

[humble gyro]

its still top 1%

[delicate zephyr]

^

[long marsh]

oh yeah for sure

[delicate zephyr]

then there's me making above avg at 30k/year for the UK

[humble gyro]

are they hiring?

[delicate zephyr]

and thats a junior role

lmao

[long marsh]

you good with AI?

[humble gyro]

3 years at midjourney

[long marsh]

dead ass?

[humble gyro]

ye

[long marsh]

hmm...

what country?

[humble gyro]

NL

very unfortunate

[long marsh]

one of my peers works in NL

[humble gyro]

ooo

[long marsh]

Yeah this is a fully remote company with a HQ in texas, but also the CTO is based out of UK

[humble gyro]

ok tell me more

i lowkey need to start looking soon again

[long marsh]

It's for US healthcare space 👀

[humble gyro]

since i gave myself until end of the year to make top.gg work financially

[long marsh]

oof didn't turn out for you?

[humble gyro]

eh, i reinvest the revenue too much

[long marsh]

I feel like this is fine / and correct?

But yeah, you gotta support yourself through some means

[humble gyro]

yes but i need to pay my mortgage too

[long marsh]

Kids?

[humble gyro]

haha no

let me hit 30 first

😭

[long marsh]

Well, then that's not too bad haha. I'm 28 and have a 5 year old ... OOF

and a wife ... OOF

[sharp geyser]

you're like 24 no

[humble gyro]

28

[sharp geyser]

wtf

[humble gyro]

i was 24

[solemn latch]

I'm looking for one of those

[sharp geyser]

unc

[solemn latch]

amazon?

[delicate zephyr]

I'll be married in 2026

lol

[long marsh]

they're hard to find in this day and age ngl

[delicate zephyr]

im 25 next year

[humble gyro]

goat

[long marsh]

I've been with my wife since I was 15 / in highschool

[delicate zephyr]

I had to ride to germany to find my wife LOL

[solemn latch]

good plan

[sharp geyser]

Fixing to just save up money and travel Europe

[long marsh]

ohhh Luuukkee! I never connected the dot. you and I have talked about this before haha

congrats man!

[delicate zephyr]

Yea

[long marsh]

Nuke != Luke in my head haha

[delicate zephyr]

I blame whoever set my nickname

[solemn latch]

oo

[delicate zephyr]

did I tell you i got my job back at orca?

cant remember lol

[long marsh]

haha no

[delicate zephyr]

ceo reached out and asked me if I'd come back

I jumped at that like it was pure gold 🤣

[long marsh]

this is something you wanted, right? I'll need to refresh myself on our message history

[delicate zephyr]

Yea

I love working at orca, can be rough at times but we work on cool stuff

I was let go due to 2023-2024 being rough and being incapable of managing everything on my plate lol

2025 came along and I got the job back in June~ 2025

[solemn latch]

wait orca the slicer?

[delicate zephyr]

no

https://orcascan.com

[solemn latch]

oh neat

[wheat mesa]

Same, met at 10, starting dating at 16, married at 19

[long marsh]

haha we didn't get married until 28 🤣

[wheat mesa]

Fair enough, we got married pretty young lol

[long marsh]

it's a great story

[wheat mesa]

for sure

[neon leaf]

I finally (actually) figured out closures & async blocks in rust 🙏 (needed to rewrite half my code due to performance issues cuz of this)

[tacit kindle]

yo anyone down to test my bot and give geniun feedback

[hoary merlin]

Happy New Year everyone!

[neon flicker]

Happy new year Top.gg people

[tacit kindle]

yo

[tacit kindle]

thx same too you

[neon leaf]

Happy new year from CET!

[humble gyro]

happy new year!

[clever tundra]

Happy new year!!!

[regal summit]

Hi @clever tundra

[clever tundra]

hello

[potent glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-24935909

[clever tundra]

@solemn latch advertisement of services

[regal summit]

May i ask , what we will do in this server?

[clever tundra]

It's the server for https://top.gg/

[regal summit]

I know, so we are here for chilling, right?

[clever tundra]

Chill, support, talk about development

[regal summit]

Oh , thanks

[pearl trail]

even the og getfullyear.com gives us inconsistent year 🙀

[radiant kraken]

sponsored by 😭😭😭😭

[tacit kindle]

bruh

how do i change my bots name ?

since when i changed it it didnt update

[deft wolf]

On top.gg? Click "refresh data" button on main page

[bright compass]

[eternal bridge]

man how much time it takes to get ur bot approved

[deft wolf]

1-2 weeks

Could be longer because of the christmas/new year

[rugged dawn]

@gusty plover u can refer to this, https://discord.builders

[gusty plover]

Hey there.
Is there anyone who can give me an example code for #staff-tickets pls to have within the modal the possibility to put images (component v2) ?
I tried but lost file and retried but I can't 🥺

[gusty plover]

Ho thank 🤗

[rugged dawn]

import { MediaGalleryBuilder, MediaGalleryItemBuilder } from 'discord.js';

const components = [
        new MediaGalleryBuilder()
            .addItems(
                new MediaGalleryItemBuilder()
                    .setURL(""),
            ),
];

and u have to rewrite your code to use containers ^^ doesn't work with embeds

[gusty plover]

Ok thxs

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/buyukakyuz/corroded

[radiant kraken]

interesting

[tacit kindle]

yo i kind of have a little problem an dneed help

so i have mad an economy bot

where you have money and there is a shop and stuff and the shop you can set up

but when i update the bot by adding new code and then running node Index.js so the bot is up to date

the whole economy gets reset

i this fixable ?

[deft wolf]

I have a feeling that you are not using any kind of database and you are saving everything in bot's memory

[tacit kindle]

hmm

[tacit kindle]

i think ia m using one one sec

[tacit kindle]

nope i am using a database

[deft wolf]

What kind of a database?

[tacit kindle]

SQLite database

i might have an idea of the problem but how would i even fix it

[clever tundra]

Are you like remaking it every time you launch the thing

Like deleting the tables and redoing them

[tacit kindle]

no i think the problem is that the database in the end is just a file right

[tacit kindle]

no

[tacit kindle]

but

[clever tundra]

Yes, all code is files

[tacit kindle]

i wanted to host my bot so its 24/7 running so i uploaded the files to github and then cloned them into a linux terminal that has a free service that run node Index.js for me

but when the bot updates the database he cant since

it woud be saved in the file that he cant edit

might this be the problem ?

[clever tundra]

So if I'm understanding

Code -> GitHub -> clone to host -> run bot

If the database is saved on the host, then it's not up to date on GitHub, and therefore not up to date on your device when you code, so when you put the code on GitHub and re-clone it, the database isn't the same

[tacit kindle]

yes

[tacit kindle]

yes so can i even fix this ?

[clever tundra]

Yes

Download the database from the host and use that before you put your code back to github

Or

Don't put the database on GitHub

Eg. Use a .gitignore

So then when you clone you don't have any databsse

[tacit kindle]

hm

[earnest phoenix]

@clever tundra hyy buddy

[clever tundra]

HNY

[earnest phoenix]

hy i need a trsection bot

can i get from there

@clever tundra

[lyric mountain]

A what?

[clever tundra]

A what?

[earnest phoenix]

can i get a trsection bot from to gg site

p

[lyric mountain]

What is a trsection

[clever tundra]

Probably

[tacit kindle]

thx for the help i found a smarter way to solve the issue but still thx a lot

[tacit kindle]

yo hello i have a question

for some bot when i add them to a server

they also give me the invite link to the bots support server

how can i make this for my own bot ?

[deft wolf]

How they do that?

Like, are they sending you a dm or post a message on server

[tacit kindle]

like add the counting bot to any server per example

and you will undestand what i mean

@deft wolf this is what i meant

after adding the bot

[deft wolf]

Well, they probably did it via OAuth2

[tacit kindle]

i see hm

[tacit kindle]

also why is my discord bot name not changing even tho i changed it?

[deft wolf]

Where?

[tacit kindle]

on the discord devoloper portal

[deft wolf]

Make sure you changed bot name, not application name

[tacit kindle]

hm

[tacit kindle]

difference ?

[tacit kindle]

bruh thx bro

[neon leaf]

finally done 🙏🙏 https://github.com/mcjars/www/commit/d9e65af737fd3496fe459d046d9c76e2017e7831

[acoustic bough]

I weirdly enough have weird performance issues with clickhouse

constantly maxxing out 4 cores

[neon leaf]

eh, my expensive queries are only done every 30min so its fiine

main concern was storage space anyway, not perf

[pearl trail]

this ui looks better than most modern routers now 😭

[pearl trail]

bruh i can't go back to openwrt

[thorny cargo]

100% better than this sh here

[ivory hawk]

Looks nicer than mine

[pearl trail]

xD *forgot to mention it's 11 years old (2015 released)

[clever tundra]

I win this all

We plan to try and switch to some ubiquiti stuff soon... Cloud Gateway Ultra and some Swiss Army Knifes / U7 Lites

[quartz kindle]

mine aint too bad tbh

[small tangle]

omg ip leaked !?

[quartz kindle]

yes hack me

[small tangle]

[ivory hawk]

🤣

[clever tundra]

oMg bRo dOxXeD HiMsElF

[pearl trail]

uvuvwevwevwve

why all 2.4 😲

[quartz kindle]

no idea tbh, its set to dual band, but devices chose 2.4 for some reason

its probably distance, im about 20-30m away from it

[pearl trail]

ahh yeah, no wonder

[lament rock]

German detected

[clever tundra]

no, im british

fritz sells limited items in the UK

we have two repeaters, and the main router

[lament rock]

Damn. Didnt know

[clever tundra]

https://uk.fritz.com/products/

[civic sundial]

can anyone tell me does (add to my app ) slash commands are made differently then normal slash commands

[stark kestrel]

?

What are "(add to my app ) slash commands"

[neon leaf]

very well

[stark kestrel]

w

[clever tundra]

user installed cmds

[civic sundial]

wait

[stark kestrel]

So integration_types change

https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/application#application-object-application-integration-types

[civic sundial]

thiss

[stark kestrel]

Set it to 0 for guild installs, 1 for user, 0 & 1 for both

[civic sundial]

what is that 0 and 1

[stark kestrel]

The command itself is the same

[stark kestrel]

The integration_types you give

[civic sundial]

how to set that

[stark kestrel]

Look through the docs of whatever library you use

[civic sundial]

i did

its still not showing commads

like this ?

[stark kestrel]

no code, can't help ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic sundial]

dm ?

[stark kestrel]

No

[vestal stratus]

don't drag to dms

[stark kestrel]

This channel is for help, keep it here

[vestal stratus]

how are you creating your commands?

[stark kestrel]

DMing randoms is weird as well

[stark kestrel]

Use the decorator https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/interactions/api.html#discord.app_commands.user_install

[acoustic bough]

hack me

[civic sundial]

ummmmm i just need to add .user_install()

[deft wolf]

https://tenor.com/bQAur.gif

[neon leaf]

good good

[vestal stratus]

omg leaked ip 192.168.178.67

.67 you say

https://tenor.com/t4zhIr4uRYP.gif

[acoustic bough]

lol

[deft wolf]

Pls no

Not this again

[acoustic bough]

I forgor about that magic number

[vestal stratus]

[civic sundial]

@stark kestrel hellpp 😭

[clever tundra]

is this python?

[civic sundial]

yesss

[clever tundra]

let me give you an example out of my code

[civic sundial]

yayayya

[clever tundra]

    @app_commands.user_install()
    @app_commands.command()
    @app_commands.allowed_installs(guilds=True, users=True)
    @app_commands.allowed_contexts(guilds=True, dms=True, private_channels=True)
    async def example(self, interaction: discord.Interaction):
        """Example."""
        await interaction.response.send_message("example")

[civic sundial]

sooo the commands are made as usuall after this ?

[stark kestrel]

How about you just try the example

[civic sundial]

which one

[clever tundra]

bearing in mind this was designed to be integrated into a cog

[civic sundial]

i did not worked

[stark kestrel]

It does

If you sync and install the app on your user

And that is why a discord bot isn't a beginner project

[civic sundial]

what does that mean

[clever tundra]

alright one second

let me make you some code

[civic sundial]

ty ty

[clever tundra]

try smth like this on its own

import discord
from discord.ext import commands
from discord import app_commands

intents = discord.Intents.all()

bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix='!', intents=intents)

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
    print(f'Logged in as {bot.user}')
    print('------')
    print("Bot is ready!")
    await bot.tree.sync()
    
@app_commands.user_install()
@app_commands.command()
@app_commands.allowed_installs(guilds=True, users=True)
@app_commands.allowed_contexts(guilds=True, dms=True, private_channels=True)
async def example(interaction: discord.Interaction):
    """Example."""
    await interaction.response.send_message("example")

bot.run("token")

its nothing special

wait nvm i forgot smth

alright try that. just launch it with your token and reload discord, install it, and it should work

[stark kestrel]

syncing on the ready event is a bad idea

[clever tundra]

i know but for testing once

[stark kestrel]

Should be done manually

[clever tundra]

its easier than a command for the time being

[stark kestrel]

Or at least in the setup hook

[clever tundra]

this is not meant to be permanent

[stark kestrel]

It's already in their code

At least use the same code

[stark kestrel]

Uses the setup hook

[civic sundial]

wb the commands

[clever tundra]

wut

[civic sundial]

how should i add commands like the normal way ?

[clever tundra]

oh

just as normal

(do not use the code i gave you. that was to prove it works. you should integrate the command structure into your code)

[civic sundial]

what does that mean

and why is it bad

[clever tundra]

alright hold on

#development message this is your code right?

[civic sundial]

yesss

[civic sundial]

was this suppose to show me commands or not ?

[clever tundra]

which command do you want to be user installed

[civic sundial]

all

[stark kestrel]

Other question, how did you come up with syncing in setup_hook

[clever tundra]

its giving mildly chatgpt

[civic sundial]

👉👈 that code is generated by caulde idk what it was someone asked me for code and i gave it that now i gave to you

[stark kestrel]

more content for my blog post

[civic sundial]

wym

[clever tundra]

heres an example of the user installed stuff for your ping and hello command

oops

just follow the structure and change the bits as needed

[civic sundial]

got ittt

[clever tundra]

so instead of @bot.tree.command() you need to use @app_commands.command()

and add the other stuff

[civic sundial]

Tyy

[civic sundial]

another thing btw is add all the commands in one file some how make bot more buggy ?

like someone can crack it or stuff

[clever tundra]

unless you do smth really stupid, they cant really 'crack' it.... not entirely sure what you mean though

in terms of organisation, it is best to use cogs, where commands are split into files and loaded into the bot

[civic sundial]

ohhhh

and btw i still cant see commands in dm

[clever tundra]

have you synced, reloaded discord (fully reloaded) and installed the app?

[civic sundial]

yupp

[clever tundra]

lemme test smth

[civic sundial]

reloaded discord installed app done wym by synced

[clever tundra]

ok so

this is your issue

[civic sundial]

added my app token

[clever tundra]

the indenting (the space before the code) means its a part of the command above

[civic sundial]

this ?

or the ' ' ?

[clever tundra]

that

[civic sundial]

i am running it like that rn

[civic sundial]

with simple ping commands

[clever tundra]

its working for me

[civic sundial]

wtf

[clever tundra]

thats inside this server

[civic sundial]

how

how

oh yeahhh

[civic sundial]

it is for me too

[clever tundra]

theres sometimes a glitch where all commands appear

i have no idea

i dont know why

i dont know how to stop it

but i hope that helps

[civic sundial]

😭😭

[civic sundial]

yesss sir

thanksss

should i change the app or acc ?

🤔

[civic sundial]

i can see other bots i am using

[clever tundra]

Yes

[clever tundra]

The wgat

[neon flicker]

ai will replace us all

[deft wolf]

[stark kestrel]

[neon flicker]

it will.

@deft wolf two years later LOL

[stark kestrel]

Two years later and it's still nowhere close

[neon flicker]

Dw I'm just kidding

It was meant to be an ironic quote but I'd also behave the same if I saw someone say that

I don't really see why people with zero creativity, problem solving skills and future vision are complaining about being unable to find jobs anywhere

Like this is literally how it is supposed to be

[prime cliff]

🙃 time to map out all the code for this

[queen needle]

You got this!

[lyric mountain]

Java? :D

[prime cliff]

C# close 🙂

[lyric mountain]

:c

Oh right, didn't notice the pascalcase

[prime cliff]

🙂

[long marsh]

nah it's definitely close.

it won't "replace" engineers, but it'll certainly augment them. the ones who don't upskill now in how to run agents are losing out in the long run.

[stark kestrel]

People said like 4 years ago in 2 years engineers will get replaced

[stark kestrel]

You said yourself - it won't replace them, so we're nowhere close

Augmenting then is not the same wording at all. It's obvious it helps people, just like calculators help mathematicians....

We're talking about replacing, not helping/augmenting/whatever

So it's still definitely not close

[long marsh]

By mentioning "augmenting", I'm alluding to the the fact that those that choose not to use it will be removed / replace by those that can.

Huge shift

Therefore, out of jobs. "replaced"

Yeah you're right though, I wasn't clear.

I think the days where some (like 80% of engineers) who simply punch in / punch out and work a ticket here and there making six figures are coming close to an ending.