development

[deft wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1342556477516156949/1393110629694570566/togif.gif?ex=694247e0&is=6940f660&hm=c076816c3464e04f874f6e321ae29a81a9362f6b454ff43e8a92eb14d61a5b6c&=

[frosty gale]

@quartz kindle we should make this true and write android in javascript

v8 can handle anything at this point and keeps it reasonably fast

then all the electron and web developers can start working on android making it better, win win

[stark kestrel]

electron on android, huge W

[frosty gale]

memory 100 performance 0

[stark kestrel]

just do like discord: restart when memory is too high

surely can't be bad if they do it /s

[solemn latch]

Woooooo

[earnest phoenix]

Give review please

[lyric mountain]

• Use one theme for all icons
• Instead of all categories in a single column, split into two columns
• Proofread
• Either go full slash or full message, or have them be interchangeable - dont leave partial support for either
• If you have to scroll to show your help command fully then it's too big, keep it simple

Last but not least, streaming services very very rarely are ok with people using them (or their branding) on bots, be aware you might get a C&D should ur bot become popular

[prime cliff]

Using red icons for everything isn't a very pleasant experience 🙃

[quartz kindle]

what the fuck book is that

[quartz kindle]

xD

[deft wolf]

I have no idea, it's just a running joke on another server

[frosty gale]

next time someone accuses me of being incorrect about java being javascript i will show them that

[deft wolf]

I mean, it's written in the book so it must be true

[pearl trail]

my doctor lecturer literally said java is javascript on my first semester. and also they said there is java++ because there are c and c++
idk if they're joking or what, but their teaching is bad, 3 semester passed and we always assume they don't even know what they are teaching about

[stark kestrel]

JavaScript++ my beloved

[prime cliff]

🤓 erm dont you mean typescript

[rustic nova]

looks like every single music bot I've reviewed before

bet thats a clone

[stark kestrel]

Nah I just know Java aka JavaScript, never heard of Type aka TypeScript

Sounds unnecessary when you have JavaScript++

[thorn shell]

Thoughts?

[hazy heron]

[quartz kindle]

missing Schrodinger's cat

[craggy pine]

Missed the opportunity to use “grumpy cat”

[eternal osprey]

hey guys

how does clicking on a phishing link result in you 'gettinh hacked'

for example i sometimes get spam mails with fishy links.

How does me clicking on that link, and tehrefore visiting the website, lead to me getting fucked.

it seems to me that there must be some sort of extra steps involved that require user interaction right?

[wheat mesa]

Most phishing attacks are to get you to willingly give up your information by impersonating a real site

There are also things like CSRF attacks

[eternal osprey]

hmm i am scrolling throuhg the internet and people are saying that just by clicking a link they can steal your passwords, your data, install malware etc.

But taht seems bs because there must be some sort of user interaction?

[thorn shell]

Shit true.....

[wheat mesa]

Afaik this isn’t possible without CSRF, but you always run the risk that it’s a CSRF attack. Anything that can do that with 0 clicks would be a zero day

[prime cliff]

🙂 mobile working

[rustic nova]

Builderb bored

looks swag

[earnest phoenix]

No it's fulley by me it's never clone

[prime cliff]

Lets fking go

[stark kestrel]

That's possible if the browser has a not so good vulnerability or by user interacting afterwards and installing something

Other than that, 99% chances you can open a link, ideally in a private window

And in those private windows, you ideally don't have your password manager extension usable to prevent something like what happened a few months ago

https://marektoth.com/blog/dom-based-extension-clickjacking/

[queen needle]

and i mean not in the same vein but I remember I found a discord botlist that didn't correctly parse bot descriptions, and the result was an exploit on a bot i made where if you were logged in and saw the bot whether on a homepage or it's page, your user automatically voted for it

[rustic nova]

Better add a dev mode that lets you set permissions using bitmasks

Lmao

[prime cliff]

Good idea also a permission tool in developer settings too

[zenith needle]

Do people add bots just to never use them, like possibly to inflate numbers of some kind? I have had 4 servers add my new trivia bot but never set it up.

[swift barn]

Absolutely
Friend of mine had his bot added to a server filled with 13k bots
💀💀never used any of the bots
Just hoarded them

[zenith needle]

Do we care about this or just leave it alone?

[swift barn]

eh as long as bot aint being abused

[solemn latch]

Many bots leave if there's a huge number of bots with only a few people. Or leave if they don't have their first command run within x time.

Mostly just to save on resources.

[prime cliff]

Yea bot collection servers are a weird breed....

[low marten]

i'm facing a similar thing, 28 servers yet 50k messages, come to find out around 13 of the servers don't have any data in them, whatsoever

its like someones.. botting my bot

[zenith needle]

I like that idea, I think I will implement it.

[harsh nova]

Are Bob and Earle shards?

[low marten]

Yes, i thought naming them would be funny

There's Bob, Timmy, Earl, Gregory, Jennifer and Lee

[harsh nova]

Yeah I like the idea! Seems like a bit of an overhead sharding at 30 servers tho

[low marten]

yeah.. sorry about that haha, this was actually my first time sharding, so i sharded.. for the sake of sharding haha

[harsh nova]

No reason to apologise It's good to have it in place in case your bot rapidly grows. Otherwise you'd have to rewrite a lot quickly

Was just interested

[frosty gale]

yeah most of the time its exaggeration, very difficult nowadays to get pwned just by clicking a link, you either need a successful CSRF (becoming very tricky with CSP and more people using XSS-safe web frameworks), or an exploit that allows you to break out of the js sandbox (possible but very rare, type of vulnerability that gets you a few stacks of $ in a bug bounty)

[pearl trail]

perhaps it’s to help older people who don’t really know about tech thingy to be much more careful when opening something untrusted

[stark kestrel]

For example 250k this year

[vivid fulcrum]

that looks super sexy. if you ever want to work on the design more look at dribbble for inspiration
but it's already having a nice theme going

[silver sable]

just redid my bots clan embed

how does it look

[lyric mountain]

check mobile

[silver sable]

looks good on mobile

i lied

[lyric mountain]

mobile has a serious issue with line length yea

[silver sable]

Had to cut a ton

[frosty gale]

bruh

apparently according to chatgpt closing a tcp socket non-gracefully is illegal

[deft wolf]

[wheat mesa]

GPT has been so picky recently with “ethics”

Acting like it wasn’t trained on billions of dollars worth of stolen data

[quartz kindle]

just ask gemini instead

[frosty gale]

yeah im aware, just found the guardrails absolutely hilarious and baffling

[median inlet]

Hello everyone, if I have a question about trying to find and use a discord bot for my server that is capable of performing a particular function that might be somewhat obscure, is this the correct channel?

[clever tundra]

@shell tundra

nice scam

[shell tundra]

ok

[median inlet]

oh so it wasn't the right place

figured

[clever tundra]

its not the best place, but there also isnt a place. what function are you looking for?

[median inlet]

Alright, let me try to describe this, give me a moment.

Basically, I run a YouTube channel with almost 21,000 subscribers, and this channel has a discord server for the community of over 300 users. Earlier this week, I began writing articles for 'Seahawks On SI', a part of the Sports Illustrated OnSI network. What I'd like to do is make a discord bot (or leverage an existing one) that will detect whenever an article of mine is published to the site so it can then send out a message in the discord server with a link to the article.

[clever tundra]

oh so smth RSS i think

could smth like https://rss.app/en/bots/rssfeeds-discord-bot work?

[median inlet]

possibly

let me look into this

[median inlet]

okay i believe that it works

my only question would be, how often does it check the feed to see if a new story was added

[clever tundra]

i have no clue

if you post one itll probs be instant but i dont know how it works

[median inlet]

thank you so much

i appreciate it

[clever tundra]

no problem

[median inlet]

i thought this was going to be really difficult to set up

[prime cliff]

Woo image uploading and view

[queen needle]

wooo

when files besides images?

[prime cliff]

I'll need to use specific UI layouts for other file types and i'm using vlc lib for cross platform audio and video playing so i have that covered too

[queen needle]

im just waiting until i can upload a totally safe exe

[prime cliff]

I'm gonna block exes so no u :p

Discord and Revolt learned the hard ways of having unregulated file types

[cinder lily]

How about a totally safe screensaver file 👀

[pearl trail]

we are not allowed to write a perfect paragraph without being detected as AI generated 💔

[lyric mountain]

4 statements that are literally the same thing written in different words

[pearl trail]

🤣 🤣

[lyric mountain]

know what's more ironic?

[pearl trail]

LMFAO

yeah man i really hate that tool, more hate it because lecturers use that as the benchmark that either the students use AI or not

[solemn latch]

Which is just wild

Tools will always struggle

[scenic kelp]

all of these criticisms apply to any concise formal writing 😭

[frosty gale]

i think we should all just accept that AI will replace us and just start using chatgpt to write all of our messages

If you haven’t tried ChatGPT yet, give it a shot. It’s great for quick answers, brainstorming ideas, fixing wording, and saving time on everyday tasks. Ask it like you’d ask a teammate.

[vivid fulcrum]

not far from that

a lot of articles I come across are AI written

so many search results are polluted with AI garbage

[deft wolf]

Natural stupidity > artificial intelligence

[quartz kindle]

indeed, i am getting more and more comfortable in delegating my work to claude code

honestly its impressive how its able to regurgitate beautiful cohesive frontend designs that actually work and look better than anything i would have designed myself

its also kinda fun how it forces me to take a break and makes me go do something else for an hour or two every time i hit its 5-hour rate limit lmao

[frosty gale]

yeah im delegating a ton of stuff to llms as well, although one part of code i refuse to use it in are security components (my main project atm is an SSO app so basically 90% of my backend) and anything with very specific specs behind it like oauth2 and openid

ive read and implement the oauth2 and openid spec in my app as well as some of the popular extensions, and the amount of stuff that LLMs hallucinate in those RFCs is insane

if you want to implement something that resembles an RFC but is non compliant use an LLM to implement it

it also very commonly mixes up common implementation mistakes in RFCs and says "that was part of the RFC" when it was just a common mistake or non compliance

[prime cliff]

😄 generated random avatar types based on username

[queen needle]

I do this with gradients

Like your username gets turned into a gradient

[prime cliff]

Eh some people might not like having colorful gradients everywhere xD

[queen needle]

my newest project is also you draw your avatar as pixel art

https://discord.mx/v/MIsK5Y1uLI.mp4

[harsh nova]

Really like that idea

[cloud cipher]

When I type npm init, I get this error

node.js installiert

[pearl trail]

https://superuser.com/a/106363

[earnest phoenix]

how i can add command like this

[deft wolf]

You can't, it's automatic

[earnest phoenix]

??

[deft wolf]

?

[earnest phoenix]

i used slash command

but is not automatic

added

[deft wolf]

Discord need more data to display commands

[earnest phoenix]

so, how i can display the command?

[deft wolf]

You can't, Discord will display it automatically if they have enough usage data

[earnest phoenix]

bruh

so how i can import command to top gg?

[deft wolf]

Get a json of your bot's commands from the api or write a valid json yourself and paste it

You can also do this via top.gg api afaik

[frosty gale]

first time using go feeling kinda nervous can i use go everywhere to make everything mega fast

[clever tundra]

im waiting for the point where this has an entire api wrapper in each language for bots inside this new discord

[prime cliff]

I have a semi-usable bot api already though need to fully test it xD

[clever tundra]

[prime cliff]

In-app developer stuff too 🙂

[clever tundra]

ooh in app? spoiled

such luxuries

[queen needle]

Add a bot builder into the platform

[clever tundra]

today (and the first in ages) 30 min late night update. went from geocaching support only in code detection to include opencaching. props to opencaching for their API too, that shit is beautiful

[delicate zephyr]

I used go for a lot, it's actually really nice to use once you have the hang of it

[prime cliff]

Funny you mention that i do have one for Discord already

[clever tundra]

for discord? or the new chat thing youre making?

[prime cliff]

New chat 🙂

[clever tundra]

ooh

well thats certainly a nice thing for non-devs

im assuming its based on the same API style as discord?

[prime cliff]

Well i can't do a 1-1 but i can improve and add things as i go along

I got some nice features atm though like group channels with apps/webhooks, collapsable channel bar, you can click on channel name for menu, more system message stuff and more split permissions

[clever tundra]

how do you plan to handle like account reports / message reports and stuff?

[prime cliff]

In-app too

[clever tundra]

i meant who / how

since im assuming this will be released eventually when its done?

[prime cliff]

Me at first but i'll see how things go

I'll do a warnings and a 3 strikes system with more serious things perma suspend

[queen needle]

That's what gave me the idea

[pearl trail]

you fell into rabbit hole 😛

[frosty gale]

go is the most rust thing ive ever seen

its like rust but with a gc and runtime

[hazy heron]

[stark kestrel]

Go teaches you some Rust principles while having some optional, then in Rust you're kinda forced to do it

[wheat mesa]

Tbh I felt like Go was more like C with a GC

[scenic kelp]

yeah go is nothing like rust

the most rust like language is probably ocaml

[wheat mesa]

I mean, Rust was inspired by OCaml

And the first rust compiler was written in OCaml

Hence the similarities

[stark kestrel]

Rust was inspired by lots of languages https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html

Fun fact: None of them is Go

[sharp geyser]

jokes on you I see a very small fine print that says go was the main inspiration

[queen needle]

https://discord.mx/v/qJM18ZrNBU.mp4

[frosty gale]

go will always be a rustling in my eyes 😠

or go-ling since go is older

gophering

ok i'll shut up now and learn the language

[pallid hound]

why go

[torn vale]

Hnn

[hazy heron]

voice of reason!

[frosty gale]

go confuses me as a language

its statically typed but tries to be a little hippy like javascript

[frosty gale]

on second thoughti would like to retract that statement

[neon leaf]

im suprised the borrow checker allows this

but I guess make sense, the mut references dont all go to item, they go to the property in item

[frosty gale]

id expect it to start complaining about lifetime guarantees

maybe the borrow checker is learning

[neon leaf]

its being trained on the tears of rust devs

[frosty gale]

quoting an IT ticket i saw

Hello

Can someone help me set up the following please? I want to do some testing over Christmas while its quiet

i have been trying to use V0 for solutions, but it has limitations. Chat GTP is advising that i should set up OR Tools and use V0 as UI only

• Create a small folder on your machine or server
• Copy the two files I gave you:
• optimizer.py
• app.py
• Run:
  pip install fastapi uvicorn ortools
  uvicorn app:app --port 8000
  If this runs, you are done.
  You never touch OR-Tools code again unless you want new rules.

(he has absolutely no coding let alone tech experience)
this is definitely going to end well

[prime cliff]

That's only minor you haven't seen the worst of IT support

[prime cliff]

This was one of the clients laptops for a IT company i used to work at.

[deft wolf]

Wtf is that on the screen

[lyric mountain]

is the screen blurred or is it that bad?

[prime cliff]

It's that bad idk what kinda stuff was on that screen

Go knows how it ended up like that in the first place xD

[prime cliff]

The dust mites want to eat your cpu nibble nibble

[neon leaf]

@frosty gale did I cook

    async fn search_in_stream(
        mut reader: impl tokio::io::AsyncRead + Unpin,
        substr: &str,
        case_insensitive: bool,
    ) -> Result<bool, std::io::Error> {
        if substr.is_empty() {
            return Ok(true);
        }

        let needle_owned;
        let needle_bytes = if case_insensitive {
            needle_owned = substr.to_lowercase();
            needle_owned.as_bytes()
        } else {
            substr.as_bytes()
        };

        let needle_len = needle_bytes.len();

        let mut buffer = vec![0; std::cmp::max(crate::BUFFER_SIZE, needle_len) + needle_len];
        let mut valid_bytes = 0;

        let finder = if !case_insensitive {
            Some(memchr::memmem::Finder::new(needle_bytes))
        } else {
            None
        };

        loop {
            let n = reader
                .read(&mut buffer[valid_bytes..valid_bytes + crate::BUFFER_SIZE])
                .await?;

            if crate::unlikely(n == 0) {
                return Ok(false);
            }

            let data_end = valid_bytes + n;
            let active_slice = &buffer[..data_end];

            let found = if let Some(ref f) = finder {
                f.find(active_slice).is_some()
            } else {
                active_slice.windows(needle_len).any(|window| {
                    window
                        .iter()
                        .zip(needle_bytes.iter())
                        .all(|(a, b)| a.eq_ignore_ascii_case(b))
                })
            };

            if crate::unlikely(found) {
                return Ok(true);
            }

            if data_end >= needle_len {
                let keep_len = needle_len - 1;
                buffer.copy_within(data_end - keep_len..data_end, 0);
                valid_bytes = keep_len;
            } else {
                valid_bytes = data_end;
            }
        }
    }

[wooden ember]

anyone know why github keeps giving me "you've exeded the rate limit" message? I literally just went on the website and searched something and clicked on a result and thats apparently too much? is it just me that gets these is more what I am asking?

[deft wolf]

I had the same problem on my old internet iirc

[wooden ember]

interesting, was your old internet really slow?

cuz mine is and I'm wondering if thats somehow the cause??? I really dont know otherwise.

[deft wolf]

Well it was but I'm not sure if that's the reason tbh

[wooden ember]

so far its the only similarity

oh well

[stark kestrel]

https://github.com/rue-language/rue

another language with the same future as V

Shit's also probably 100% AI slop

Everything co-authores by Claude

[neon leaf]

I want to see how good Claude is at building compilers

says it in the readme so yeah

[deft wolf]

What's the problem?

Also you shouldn't upload random zip files, noone would download that

[delicate zephyr]

@shell tundra random zip file

[shell tundra]

.ban @digital cove 7 possible scam

ok carl

[shell echo]

Banned akaza07253

[lyric mountain]

it's the name pattern that makes me suspicious

scam accounts ALWAYS have the somename123456 pattern

[deft wolf]

Well, it was legit bot packed as a zip file

[delicate zephyr]

i'll be real was only expecting ixz to delete it not to ban

[lyric mountain]

wait u downloaded it?

[delicate zephyr]

lmao

[deft wolf]

Yep, but before opening it I scanned it

84 commands, probably some kind of "template bot"

[clever tundra]

can confirm, that is true

[shell tundra]

thanks for confirming, probably should be careful abt downloading zip files lol

[real rose]

still possible scam

won't show in scans

[deft wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8O94RhcQN4

[real rose]

there could be a malicious node module, once you npm install and run the bot you could get grabbed

has happened here before, people approach others and ask "can you run my bot and see whats wrong"

[frosty gale]

lmao

[frosty gale]

how tf does this "random" project have so many stars

but definitely interesting project, although performance might be a bit 🗑️

i noticed llms dont aim for best performance

[frosty gale]

we live on the edge over here

[frosty gale]

nice, but what is the use case for this (i know its searching for a substring in a stream)

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/calagopus/wings/blob/main/application/src/routes/api/servers/_server_/files/search.rs
searching through server files recursively

incredible

[stark kestrel]

The developer is not so random

And got some posts around and articles that cover it

[wooden ember]

just realised that the test bot that I havent used in 5 years has its name typed wrong

that being said, Im making a bot in python instead of node.js and oh man is it nice to not be in dependency hell. I just did pip install discord.py or whatever and it was a couple MB download and it just worked. I think discord.js is like 150MB or something isn't it? takes ages to download

[wheat mesa]

Python is also dependency hell

[wooden ember]

elaborate?

I only say cuz to install discord.py it installed about 3 other dependancies if I remember right, but discord.js is about 15

[stark kestrel]

if you have multiple dependencies sure

the difference is that the whole npm ecosystem is hell since the beginning

[wooden ember]

real

[stark kestrel]

for the most simple things up to the more complex setup

[wooden ember]

when i was new to it everyone always recommended me to dowload this and that for whatever feature. but I later realised that most of it was either some really simple thing I could just build in myself or just a wrapper for some other dependency that I could also write myself.

I'm not even bragging Im litterally a dunce

but it just got to the point where I got fed up rewriting stuff cuz some dep updated its syntax so I just thought bugger it I do it myself.

[wheat mesa]

Python package versioning is just hell in general. Setting up a project with dependencies that work on everyone’s machines between OS’s and shit is annoying because everyone needs to be on the same python version when they install things

Otherwise it causes major issues

I had an issue where I was working on a version of Python that for some reason simply did not exist for windows machines, which meant all of the deps I had installed and their corresponding versions were messed up on my friends’ machines

[vivid fulcrum]

setting up conda is an even bigger pain

[frosty gale]

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-in-murky-monster-snakes-on-my-way-im-coming-sneaking-gif-18712681

it was a good day when i found out conda was named after a snake

[quartz kindle]

where's conda's wife Ana

[frosty gale]

wonder how i compare to other vibe coders

doesnt tell you how you compare to others :(

they enshittified the pro tier a lot, the limits are so much lower to what they used to be, they now want you to subscribe to their $60 or $200/month plan

[wheat mesa]

They realized that they actually have to turn a profit and not just burn VC money

[clever tundra]

they also patched the machine ID reset (free cursor essentially) glitch so now you cant use 200 emails to cheat decent AI coding

[wheat mesa]

Or just learn to code 🤷‍♂️ I feel like you might be doing yourself a disservice by making 200 emails rather than just learning how to code

Seems like more effort to me

[clever tundra]

Its not so much learning to code, its learning higher levels of code that you use once for a niche thing and never again

[wheat mesa]

But that’s exactly how you get better at coding

I have no intention of making discord bots really ever again, but I learned them at one point and it made me better at programming in general

I’m not saying don’t use AI, but not being able to code without cursor probably isn’t a good thing to get reliant on. Especially bc the whole AI bubble is going to require these services to get expensive in order to turn a profit

[clever tundra]

I can code without cursor, just not as well as I can with it

[radiant kraken]

@humble gyro essentially, i am building a screen capture app that lets users capture timelapses without needing to create huge video files and editing them down.

at the moment i have this structure:

• the tauri frontend
• the rust backend
• • the main event loop for handling unexpected errors sent from each graphics capture objects' framearrived and closed callbacks. this will then be sent to the frontend
• • the event loop for processing capture commands from the frontend and creating graphics capture objects from them
• • the event loop for handling video merge (ill explain later) commands from the frontend and creating ffmpeg threads from them (not relevant for now.)

essentially users start capture sessions, pause them at their will (which saves the captured frames to a new video chunk), and resume them (which creates another video chunk.) chunks are done because it's impossible in various video encoding APIs to "stop" video encoding and "resume" it later.

then once the user is done with a recording session, users can pause the capture session and proceed to merge the chunks together into one full video.

i have a single recording object that the user creates on their own behalf. they can have names, sources, settings, etc etc. each recording has three states, idle, capturing, and merging.

at the moment, for screen capture i am using windows graphics capture API with its thread pool functionality, which means that the framearrived callback will always fire in a different thread every single frame. inside every callback, i check if it's time to properly process and encode it or not via an atomic variable. if it is, i write the frame to the video chunk.

[quartz kindle]

indeed, i can barely use it without getting locked down for god knows how long. they dont even tell you when the limits reset

[pearl trail]

the reason i stopped using chatgpt is their limit only after like 10 messages,,, used to have the plus sub for 4 months and it was not even that bad before i had it. switched to gemini

[radiant kraken]

i use chatgpt pretty sparingly so most of the time i'm able to get under the limit

[frosty gale]

received this email from our CTO just today that i wanted to share

We are entering next year with a very different shape to the one we started with. More focus on AI, more speed, and higher expectations. The foundations are in place, and that is down to you.

And in the spirit of honesty, this message itself had some AI help. If I am not writing all my own emails anymore, that probably tells you everything you need to know about where we are heading.

Take a proper break where you can. Next year will move quickly.

Merry Christmas, and thank you for the hard work and commitment this year.

good to know we are heading towards half baked ai slop 💀

if that isnt a reason for me to start searching for something else then idk what is wtf even is that email

[radiant kraken]

unfortunately, it's the trend

[frosty gale]

i wonder if this is a bubble or are we destined to write worse software than we did

[humble gyro]

too many words

bad CTO

[frosty gale]

true

hes usually quiet but hes a selective yapper

[humble gyro]

Team,

Happy Holidays, rest up - next year we're going to fuck up the business.

🫡

[radiant kraken]

for the latter, it heavily depends on how you use them

[frosty gale]

a lot of the business already uses LLMs in many places, especially in a front facing dashboard for customers, its a half baked mess that breaks quickly and with half of the buttons not working, dont even get me started on the internal services that power half the business, constantly breaks and needs fixes

ironically me and another dev designed services from a heavily LLM conservative standpoint (at best chatgpt for some backend parts but not copy & pasted) and the last time i needed to touch that service because of an issue was last year because of an outage

im not quite sure if the time saved vibecoding with cursor and then proceeding to apply patches across the year outweighs the time spent just writing it properly

[prime cliff]

A lot of businesses also use AI because it's "trendy" and "can fix anything"

Your user experience dosen't matter if they are still getting paid

Even companies like EA have nailed the milk your customers dry and repeate scheme with their games especially fifa which is the most addicted game

[radiant kraken]

i attended a tech conference last week, almost all of the presentations are about AI

and glazing google

tbf i don't think this is going away any time soon

[prime cliff]

Nope and we are all gonna suffer for it 🙂

[radiant kraken]

i don't think there's a benefit in being so pessimistic, we just need to utilize AI in a way that also makes us grow

[vivid fulcrum]

it will never go away

[radiant kraken]

[vivid fulcrum]

if you're working as a SWE I think it's important to adapt to this AI craze.. learning how to prompt properly is a useful skill

call it future proofing :)

[prime cliff]

Imo you can't really call yourself a software engineer/developer if you're just vibe coding and you're giving a bad rep to people that actually want to learn and develop not to mention we have gotten to the point of vibe coded github pull requests and the disaster of windows

[radiant kraken]

you just have to be responsible whenever you prompt things

[prime cliff]

Sure you can use AI in some things but not everything should be

[radiant kraken]

there's always nuance

[prime cliff]

The way it's being used atm is destroying games, software, community and now are hardware

[radiant kraken]

i agree but not every use of AI is like this

[vivid fulcrum]

it's lacking regulation

[radiant kraken]

i agree

[hazy heron]

haha it works!

[acoustic bough]

how are you doing that? my last attempt in a discord-clone was a 1,000 line absolute madness

[hazy heron]

it's just cv2 builder

in rust

renderer is made with dioxus and websys

[acoustic bough]

I meant that auto complete

[hazy heron]

I listen for oninput and onclick, then I get the cursor position and display a dropdown slightly below that position, focusing the cursor on it.

nothing too complicated

[crimson vapor]

I went to a hackathon and every price was for an AI project

[radiant kraken]

same here

[wheat mesa]

Yup, it’s pretty much a requirement now to win

Won a hackathon last month by doing that lol

[radiant kraken]

well can't argue with the trend

all of the winners for mine are focused on AI

one of the winners is a project that allows you to generate presentation slides on the fly 🤢

[wheat mesa]

Ok yeah that’s pretty lame ngl

Ours was an agent that autonomously performed tasks for data center technicians & generated actionable steps for them

It solved an actual problem

Unfortunately neither company that we won the hackathon tracks for hired us 😭

[radiant kraken]

one of ours winners eventually got some kind of investment by nvidia

[wheat mesa]

Yeah they tend to do that

We won NVIDIA’s track

Didn’t even get an interview even though they set us up directly with the hiring team 😔

[radiant kraken]

maybe soon!

😉

[wheat mesa]

Nah I don’t think so lol

I don’t want to move to California anyways

[radiant kraken]

or you can just email them

[wheat mesa]

Yeah that’s true in the future, I do have their emails

And some connections to senior staff

I’m happy with the job offer I have now in Texas

[radiant kraken]

awesome!!

you and your team are insane!

@wheat mesa oh btw one of the things our tech event touched upon is essentially how virtually untouched VR is nowadays

has making projects in VR ever interested you?

[wheat mesa]

Not really, but it is interesting as a technology. It’s just kind of a niche thing for me since I’ve never used VR before

[radiant kraken]

yeah

but they said that VR has an "unfair advantage" because of how niche it is

in contrast to how oversaturated web dev is

[pearl trail]

merry christmas everyone🎄
||-# pic not mine||

[humble gyro]

vibe coded stack

[pearl trail]

xD fr

[radiant kraken]

merry christmas takiyoo!!

[clever tundra]

Merry Crimus!

[craggy pine]

Merry Chrysler

https://tenor.com/view/forza-motorsport7-chrysler300srt8-racing-race-sedan-gif-27210018

[crimson vapor]

A few of the ideas were cool but most of the projects were just AI slop and it’s kinda annoying

[quartz kindle]

claude offering double rate limits for the next 6 days, knowing most people will be busy with other things and not actively using it

lmao

[crimson vapor]

At my hackathon that is

[radiant kraken]

indeed, with AI there are so many creative potentials where it could help with real world problems and not make people lazier because it makes things "more efficient"

[strange junco]

Hallo

I want to change my bot name and profile picture on Top.GG. How do I do that?

[digital swan]

pretty sure it's tied to your discord bot

[prime cliff]

It's technically both first Discord then top.ggs refresh data button and save

[warped glacier]

Made my bot a proper site!

Also got buisness emails

!!!

So fckin happy

[acoustic bough]

that looks vide coded lol

[warped glacier]

Does it?

[acoustic bough]

yes

[warped glacier]

I guess i could see it. Eh. Better then what i had before it was just some blocky and odd sht

[acoustic bough]

the style just screams it

mostly this

some models love these S P A C E D text

eh

[warped glacier]

Honestly i usially suck at this bc im not good at graphic design so ima just roll with it. Until i can hire someone to do it

[warped glacier]

If models can make sites like this thats scary how good there getting

But it got there earlier on it was this

[harsh nova]

Pls center this text I beg

[acoustic bough]

lmao

[ivory hawk]

Models are really good rn

[warped glacier]

Fck i thought it was

[warped glacier]

Should be better. Its centered to center according to CSS unless im missing smth

[dense cliff]

I'll be honest, I like that version more

[warped glacier]

I hated that version.

That version was actually AI

it sucked ass

[dense cliff]

that's funny

[warped glacier]

Really it is

[delicate zephyr]

I'll be honest

using AU for anything other than assistance is really obvious

you'll spend more time fixing the issues the AI creates than you would if you started off yourself and asked it to do specific portions

[frosty gale]

prompt leaked: "create me a dashboard for my discord bot with witty humour with random nonsensical labels plastered around the page to lure people into a false sense of security, also use shiny cards because thats kinda modern"

[acoustic bough]

lol

[vivid fulcrum]

it looks like a template

which to be fair is a pretty good intro to web dev 🤷‍♂️
I remember toying around with templates as a teenager.. which was mostly php8 + jquery on the frontend. web dev was truly hell back then

[frosty gale]

dont remind me of templates they bring back bad memories

trying to hack a template and the buttons to your own text and functionality was hell

i'll take vibe coding any day

[warped glacier]

Ai like i said sucks at websites. This site now was me but it ssry has been in the works for. Idk however long antiscammer has existed. Its just now on a proper domain with emails and sht

[hazy heron]

ai is stupid

[wheat mesa]

Honestly AI doesn’t suck at websites, it’s just awful to maintain or customize. It has a tendency to rewrite a bunch of shit that doesn’t need rewriting

If you need a simple design that’s one-and-done that you never intend to modify much, it’s alright

[prime cliff]

AI actually can do websites somewhat ok the issue will be descriptions and content

[wheat mesa]

Yeah

[warped glacier]

I might know why it is. Ai isent really given a properly done site. Its given how each function works. So realistically it has no ref to go off

[vivid fulcrum]

yes out of half a petabyte of training data, none of it is a well made website 😆

[warped glacier]

Its not a joke. The way a model is trained is by understanding how the code works. Not how to make a solid site.

[warped glacier]

Also au?

Im assuming you ment AI

[warped glacier]

One time I did have a ai code a small pygame thing. It had the code so screwed up i didn't even know how it works and I just got a A+ in collage level python

[delicate zephyr]

yea

I used AI to build components for this but the rest was mine

[radiant kraken]

looks pretty good! great job luke!

[delicate zephyr]

I did the research for the components etc and then asked for implementation examples

[radiant kraken]

AI assisted will always be better than AI generated

[warped glacier]

I wish i could get this good. This is clean ASF

Honestly if i can ever afford it ima hire someone bc theres alot i want to do that i just cannot do

[delicate zephyr]

Literally:

• research design concepts
• learn how to setup a base for your framework
• research popular component libraries
• find the component you want
• ask it to implement X component

[warped glacier]

The issue is im not good at UX

[delicate zephyr]

Nor am I lmao

not by any means

[warped glacier]

I can see a design but cant execute it

At all

[delicate zephyr]

Xig did 100% of the UI for topstats

Im learning myself and pyrocdn is the project im testing with

[warped glacier]

Thats why this site has been worked on since the start of antiscammer. It just got to here now and it still sucks

Idk. Honestly i want to hire some fiverr dev or smth i want to eventually do a full bot page like dyno or mee6 with the discord sht but still learning how discord oauth2 works

[radiant kraken]

i think what matters is that you always strive to learn from him

if you ask for assistance from AI on your project but you refuse to let your curiousity roam free what's the point

[warped glacier]

Idk honestly this site im making bc i kinda need to with how big its getting. Plus its nice to get my TOS and Privacy policy off google docs

[wheat mesa]

I mean… vast oversimplification, the model doesn’t really “understand” things

[small tangle]

Hi, I am {{NAME}}

[radiant kraken]

hai {{NAME}}!

merry christmas!

[small tangle]

Hewwo

[small tangle]

To you aswell 🎁

[warped glacier]

True

[stark kestrel]

LLMs can be described as a glorified autocomplete, they are trained to predict how likely each word is likely to appear next in a text

[pearl trail]

the only way i could ever be able is to get my own car to work for a month or so before the pandemic hit so that my parents can have the money.

this sentence is made by spamming the autocomplete on my keyboard. so i guess it is SLM (small language model) xD

[radiant kraken]

eks dee

[warped glacier]

Just got a A safety rating for my site!

Honestly its more there to show im Trying to not have users data stolen. It is another check ontop of my SSL cert and some other things

Unlike every goddam site that you can run 1 command and steal every users info

[wheat mesa]

What?

[wheat mesa]

Also, how would people even "steal" data on your site? I took a look at it, it's a static site that doesn't make any requests to any servers for dynamic content

[warped glacier]

There's some stuff being worked on behind the senes

There's a reason its behind Cloudflare with maximum security the free plan gives

[warped glacier]

This year. Ive gotten. 40 data breach letters. One from this fckin platform

So clearly ppl can hack sites with ease rn

[wheat mesa]

There is nothing to "hack" on your site is my point

You're just serving a static javascript bundle that doesn't make external requests

I'm assuming it's an SSG site

Your content is just static HTML that is built by (I'm assuming) a javascript framework

[quartz kindle]

data breaches almost never happen due to "hacking"

99% of the time its social engineering / phishing / stealing employee's access info

[warped glacier]

Again. Stuff is happening behind the scenes. Decently soon here ill be sending stuff back and forth to my bot. Payment processors and discord portal sht. So its not static and I need it as secure as I can get ig

[warped glacier]

True. I categorize this under hacking as they still find a way in just through unusual means.

Often through spoofed or double extention emails

[prime cliff]

I'm cooking 0_o

[warped glacier]

Def cooking. Love the style

[queen needle]

Rather be safe than sorry, when the react vulnerabilities came out I fixed them for my website even though it's just a portfolio, all public, nothing private

[warped glacier]

Respect

And ill admit there is some stuff I dont have (lack of funds) but id rather. Be secure now that way when I need it its already there

[queen needle]

Encryption is key too

[warped glacier]

Everything is forced https. Better protocol. I have active ssl certs. And encrypt anything else behind private api keys

You would have to hack into root. View my api. Then nav yo page. Bypass cf. Bypass https to get any user data

So what is that 3 layers protection. One being impossible

[queen needle]

interesting

[warped glacier]

It really is. I do it so deep because I will be handling alot of stuff. Eventually full API will run on that server. Ill have 2 way chats between multiple servers. Transaction handlers. User accounts through discord oauth2. Ye. Ill have alot ill need to handle so it needs to be secure. And id rather do that now then later on when its too late

[queen needle]

what is the website?

[warped glacier]

Its for my bot.

[queen needle]

whats the bot

[warped glacier]

Antiscammer.

[warped glacier]

This /\

Its basic rn but does have a api on it. Just got smth going for my bot to post its stats to the site

[queen needle]

Good starting point for the website, it looks nice

[warped glacier]

Thanks.

I kinda suck at ux so its def a solid site for me

I really need to work on it so its cleaner tho. I know some things I hate abt it

[queen needle]

like what?

[warped glacier]

Some small things like offset issues and wording

[frosty gale]

try https://securityheaders.com/ as well :)

you probably dont use CSP which it mainly assesses but its a good practice for security (if you use it properly)

[stark kestrel]

script-src: 'unsafe-inline'

🧌

[frosty gale]

banned

imagine not using imported scripts

i have my csp as

default-src 'none'; script-src 'self'; connect-src 'self' *.xxx.x; img-src 'self'; style-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline'; frame-ancestors 'self'; form-action 'self' *.xxx.x;

there was a whole debate as to whether unsafe-inline for styles can be exploited but unless you allow connect-src to all domains you cant do much with it (assuming successful xss)

[hazy heron]

hii

[vivid fulcrum]

does anyone know a pastebin service that isn't riddled with ads and allows robots to crawl them? I want claude to analyze a file that is too big (in text content)

[neon leaf]

https://pastes.dev/

https://api.pastes.dev/j8ZAVONbnE

[frosty gale]

i use https://hasteb.in tho i swear its been acquired like 5x already

no ads only trackers/analytics from what i can see

[frosty gale]

not when viewing though

[radiant kraken]

gotta love composition (derogatory)

[neon leaf]

what are you writing

[quartz kindle]

AI prompts be like:

lets make a general-purpose server-side Map-based key-value cache that can be used for anything

[neon leaf]

over http ofc

[quartz kindle]

nah, over telnet

[neon leaf]

over rdp

[quartz kindle]

over arpanet

[sharp geyser]

over dial up

[wintry flicker]

hey, i managed to make cobalt run in my bot as a child process but i get an api login from youtube, i added the cookies still the same error, any idea how to fix that

Note : I'm hosting on a pterodactyl panel, every other platform downloads correctly except youtube.

anyone knows anything about that?

[lyric mountain]

user-agent maybe

do note that ur breaching their ToS if ur trying to reproduce youtube content in ur bot

[frosty gale]

"create me a shit version of Redis"

or memcached if you swing that way

[quartz kindle]

ye but i want in-process

fek off with that microservice bullshit

[frosty gale]

new Map() you're welcome

your christmas gift for this year

its fun making caches though without llms, use map or just objects and periodically check the keys for expiry (or keep track of usage per keys for an lru cache)

although that probably might not scale too well if you have loads of keys since that cleanup function might struggle

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-skpmp9.png

3 different vec libs is it joever

[lament rock]

Write your own that does it all

[neon leaf]

well, the issue is all 3 of them use unsafe code

so it is a fever dream to get these working in a reimplementation

honestly chunked_vec is a must have tho idk why its not in the std lib

[hazy heron]

what are you working on?

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/calagopus/wings
game server management daemon

[neon leaf]

good

[warped glacier]

Exciting. Been having ratelimitting issues with discord for a bit now. I send so much so quickly its insane. But i think i fixed it! Changed all RUST comms to run through nirn.

[neon leaf]

@shell tundra

[hazy heron]

a selfbot?

[warped glacier]

@shell tundra

[shell tundra]

.ban @vast finch 7 support scam

[shell echo]

Banned cointyxrn

[warped glacier]

Either that or a hacked acc

Also this is like not the channel for support.

lol

🙂

[hazy heron]

im finally done, the only thing left is emoji picker and twemoji support

[warped glacier]

Nice!

[hazy heron]

it will be open source afterwards

[neon leaf]

what lang are you writing it in

[hazy heron]

rust

[warped glacier]

Bro uses rust.

[neon leaf]

what lib?

[warped glacier]

Lol nice

[neon leaf]

need to write one too and havent looked into libs yet

[warped glacier]

It is done well. I dont like rust bc its very literal. But good job!

[hazy heron]

I will probably carry out a thorough refactoring later to tidy up the code

but it works nicely

[frosty gale]

pterodactyl still exists?

i remember using it for a discord bot host ages ago (probably not made for that)

[neon leaf]

well, lets just say theres a reason im rewriting it

[queen needle]

Are you able to center the drag indicators

[hazy heron]

aren't they centered? let me get my ruler

[queen needle]

Like in context to the thing they drag

[hazy heron]

it's because of line-height of markdowns

I'll fix it

[warped glacier]

Yes it does.

[warped glacier]

Thats what i use it for.

Easier this way

[quartz kindle]

its literally in the prompt> "Map-based"

[frosty gale]

but isnt Map map-based?

i think ive created a paradox

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[neon leaf]

yes, the js map impl uses itself to store data

trust

[quartz kindle]

recursive map

[neon leaf]

the data is stored in the function calls

like the guy who wrote data storage backed by icmp

[quartz kindle]

function store(key, val) {
  return (k) => k === key ? val : undefined;
};

const retrieve = store("a", 10);
const val = retrieve("a");

store data in functions :^)

[hazy heron]

const store = (key, val) => new Map([[key, val]]);

const storage = store("a", 10);
const val = storage.get("a");
``` :3

[hazy heron]

custom components done

[long marsh]

does anyone know the rate limit for interaction endpoints on the callbacks?

the documentation states that the global rate limit doesn't apply to them ... but doesn't include what the actual rate limit for them is?

[lament rock]

If you make a request, then you can check the headers for ratelimit info but you shouldnt be relying on that for hard coding, only programatic values

[long marsh]

that's fair

[lament rock]

Also, if you dont want to worry about ratelimits to the create interaction response, then you should be letting Discord make the request and then either responding with a defer edit or with the proper response as letting your commands handlers make the request might not make it in time depending on infrastructure

Ie, you mark the response back to Discord as the defer edit payload

[long marsh]

What I'm doing now:

/foo -> HTTP-based interaction over to my API ... I respond within 3 seconds with an inline response (no defer)

then I'm going to continuously update the embed about 1/sec

[lament rock]

So the res from your API gets directly piped back to Discord?

[long marsh]

correct

[lament rock]

Cool. I think if you start a response with the status and then write the body buffer later, you can get more time iirc

Like the whole response doesnt need to be received by Discord within 3 seconds just a response started

[lament rock]

but I havent implemented this yet

[long marsh]

yeah I know, I prefer the inline http response behavior

[lament rock]

yer. What I mean is response.writeStatus(200)

first

[long marsh]

right, with a defer type?

[lament rock]

no

you can then write the body of the response later

you are starting a response to Discord with the 200 status

I don't think the HTTP spec requires the start of the body to be in the same chunk as the status and headers

[long marsh]

it doesn't

you can send them independently

[lament rock]

Thats what I meant

[long marsh]

i don't know if discord allows that type of receiving though

[lament rock]

would be dumb if they didnt because slower connections would be punished and never be able to respond

[long marsh]

also true

Btw, the use case for this is for making a "crash" gambling game.

http request -> /crash <bet>
i respond with 200 + initial payload
then I spawn a coroutine that updates the embed 1/sec

it looks like it's 5/sec per interaction.

[lament rock]

Lines up with message edit

I think that's shared with the edit original interaction response

[long marsh]

yeah, I believe so. that's well within my threshold if it's per interaction.

[radiant kraken]

i thought having one giant error type was problematic so i decided to divide it into several distinct error enums

[scenic kelp]

@crimson vapor don't 🥀 react this please

no closure hate!

that's a really funny way of doing it though

[wintry flicker]

the thing is, i just checked in cobalt source itself they stopped the youtube download because of this exact same ToS issue.

[frosty gale]

i just realised how cursed this is

some poor v8 instance had to execute this abomination

[lyric mountain]

They likely got a c&d then

[clever tundra]

how much does ping/latency matter in a discord bot?
how can you make the latency on a self hosted bot lower without moving next to discord servers?

[deft wolf]

It doesn't matter afaik. Like 100-200ms is pretty normal for anything hosted in europe

[clever tundra]

close enough

lowest ive ever gotten was 95ms

highest was 17289ms

[pearl trail]

lowest i got is 19ms

[potent glacier]

it also depends at what ping youre looking at, it can add up

since values can vary depending on what youre measuring

[clever tundra]

not sure which one im looking at...

    @commands.hybrid_command()
    async def ping(self, ctx):
        """Sends the bot's latency."""
        latency = round(self.bot.latency * 1000)
        await ctx.send(f"Pong! {latency}ms")

[pearl trail]

that's the ws latency yes

[clever tundra]

how do you get the other latencies then?

[pearl trail]

varies

now - command_executed

now - time_before_edit

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-aet4yx.png

im committing war crimes

[frosty gale]

banned from typescript

actually tsx*

[neon leaf]

only tsx?

wow thank you

[frosty gale]

only tsx

because jsx is a free for all

[neon leaf]

what about this file https://github.com/calagopus/panel/blob/main/frontend/extensions/shared/src/translation.ts

does it ban me from ts

[frosty gale]

you are banned from github as well

[neon leaf]

what did I doooooo

[frosty gale]

octocat does not approve

[neon leaf]

I want to appeal

[lament rock]

Nooo not the prototype pollution :(

[frosty gale]

js strict mode genuinely needs to also disable modifying the prototype and make it frozen

it would basically eliminate prototype pollution which haunts js to this day (i think)

so many vulnerabilities just because js allows this

or at least disallow inferring prototype from objects

[queen needle]

Wtf

[quartz kindle]

hahahah yes anakin yes, prototype pollute him

[lyric mountain]

luis espalha lixo

[frosty gale]

my smtp logs are all just lame brute force attempts every 5 minutes

and these bots dont even issue a starttls even though 90% of servers now require tls if you want to authenticate

ive also set it up so that after 3x failed attempts in same connection it just drops the tcp connection because otherwise they will retry like 20-40x in same session

[real rose]

welcome to smtp servers

i just fail2ban 3 failed attempts for a few hours

[quartz kindle]

fail2ban doesnt ban, it fails to ban

if you dont configure fail2ban properly, it will fail to ban

nothing fails to ban better than fail2ban

ok i'll stop

[warped glacier]

Yeah here is how you fail2ban

#1: dont configure fail2ban
#2: run fail2ban
Tada

[quartz kindle]

if you fail to ban, install fail2ban so you can fail to ban together

[warped glacier]

Y e ah then install fail2ban with fail2ban so its a trio of fails

[quartz kindle]

configure fail2ban to monitor fail2ban's logs so it fails to ban what fail2ban already failed to ban

[warped glacier]

Yeah then have a proxy server running fail2ban so when the other fail2ban fails it sees that and also fails

[quartz kindle]

fail2banception

[warped glacier]

Lol

Speaking of servers. Need to work on my sht but have 0 energy

[real rose]

https://downdetectordowndetectordowndetector.com/

[pearl trail]

guys, if let's say you were trying to find and use a mesh VPN/ZTNA for your home network, do you always prefer the open source one (e.g netbird, tailscale)? i heard people says on social media that we should not trust closed source one (e.g twingate),, is closed source really that bad

[radiant kraken]

i think i would prefer the open source ones

[sharp geyser]

I'd always go open source if at all possible

Not only cause I can know what it's actually doing, but also because it's typically free heh

plus a lot of closed sourced ones are paid and expensive

[pearl trail]

i see, so open source it is. thank you both of you guys

[radiant kraken]

anything!

[hoary merlin]

🙄

[sharp geyser]

Just used tRPC for the first time ever

wasn't terrible

linked my nestjs app with nextjs

I assume tRPC is better rather than making fetch calls to the api

I didn't really do too much research into it

but everywhere I looked tRPC or something like it was always mentioned over using fetch

[pearl trail]

time to try that with combo of go+react

(well now its not trpc anymore xD

[lament rock]

Performance of the new voice channel regions be damned with DAVE, the stability is pretty good

That's hours btw

[frosty gale]

it only took me until recently to understand the name

fail2ban

fail to ban

fail -> ban

if you fail -> you get banned

so genius

[quartz kindle]

if you fail -> you fail to get banned

:^)

[frosty gale]

doesnt look like its on cloudflare so it might actually stay up the next time

[frosty gale]

is this runner cargo + dependency cache a bit overkill?

400mb for a cache seems like a lot

the alternative is it reinstalls cargo and refetches+recompiles all dependencies on each run

[clever tundra]

Is it normal for top.gg vote webhooks to trigger twice when they never used to

And by that I mean one vote shows as two votes in the bot (sometimes) (it never used to)

[deft wolf]

Yes because you don't respond in time iirc

Responses to webhooks must be returned within 5 seconds, otherwise they are considered a timeout and will be queued for a retry (if available).

`Webhook requests that time out or return a 5XX status response (like 500) will be retried up to 10 times. The retry delay is increased exponentially per retry by 2^N seconds, from a minimum delay of 1 second for the first retry up to 17 minutes for the tenth.

Errors resulting with status 4XX (like 404) will not be retried as these are considered user errors.`

[clever tundra]

Hmm

I'm tryna think how that could happen

I'm using a (rewritten) version of the SDK

[neon leaf]

heh

my GitHub cargo cache is reaching terabytes

[frosty gale]

💀

[neon leaf]

seriously, it's so much that GitHub is purging cache that's still being used

I can't fix it

[radiant kraken]

what are you making?

[frosty gale]

is your key changing frequently for the cache? i have my key setup so that it only reinstalls + recaches cargo and dependencies if my cargo lock file changes

so i dont end up with too many cached keys because i dont touch my dependencies as much

[neon leaf]

nope, same key per bin (even if lockfile changes, same key=

but i just have tons

[frosty gale]

though tbh i dont know how much space my cache is taking up since im self hosting

will have a look

[neon leaf]

ill prob need to move to self hosting runners

[frosty gale]

use your arm rig for that trust

runners go zoom on arm

[warm surge]

emr

[neon leaf]

yes yes, (ill use it only for windows aarch64 builds), other stuff goes on epyc

[frosty gale]

oracle cloud has kindly sponsored my arm rig that houses my runners free of charge (i forced them to) so i dont pay anything extra for them which is really nice

[neon leaf]

u mean the 24g free tier server?

[frosty gale]

yeah lmao

it is really really fast for a free tier

[neon leaf]

ye more ram than my entire arm rig btw

same cpu tho

[warm surge]

https://www.hostinger.com/vps-hosting

thats what i use

[frosty gale]

yeah theyre ampere as well

[neon leaf]

who needs vps hosting when you can just draw 100s of kilowatts per month instead

[warm surge]

im already pulling 1000w for my pcv

[neon leaf]

anyway yeah my build matrix has like 8 entries and only 4 caches are allowed cuz of size limit

so 4 entries are always from scratch

[neon leaf]

not enough

ur still only using 1 phase of power

[warm surge]

and its not good idea to port forwarded on your home network and etc if you're thinking building website with it

[neon leaf]

im using 2 phases 😎

[warm surge]

i got like 3 roommates

3 pcs

[neon leaf]

my room has 3 servers + 4 pcs

[warm surge]

damn

[neon leaf]

one of the pcs has a 2600W psu array

[warm surge]

i got 1 truenas server

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-wczvzf.png

not the biggest setup but its the cpu that counts

[warm surge]

not bad

im using the truenas server for steam games

[neon leaf]

first one is a 9900x with 96gb, second one an epyc 7443p with 512gb

arm one has 16gb ram due to the shortage

[warm surge]

its not shortage its AI wants more ram but DDR4 is still cheap

[neon leaf]

ddr4 is NOT cheap

my epyc ram kit went up 4x

and its 4R ram

the one noone wants

[warm surge]

i got 32GB of ddr4 for 130 bucks

thats fucking cheap

[neon leaf]

its not

thats 2x original

my kit went from 550€ to 2k€+

ddr4 2666 with 4 ranks

[warm surge]

it is, and yk whats not cheap ddr5

[neon leaf]

ddr3 is also increasing in price

[pearl trail]

nice, here 8gb ddr4 1rx4 costs $20 xD

[warm surge]

lucky fucks

[neon leaf]

https://flare.rjns.dev/68yE7/flameshot-icdhom.png

cheapest result too

[frosty gale]

yeah ram prices are fucked
i bought 32gb 3600mhz ddr4 ram from corsair 2 years ago for around $131, now i checked and that exact same ram is $386 lmfao

[warm surge]

heres ddr5

[frosty gale]

we are cooked

time to pull a contabo and use ssds as ram

[neon leaf]

use icmp packets as storage and then swap that storage

faster nic = more storage

[frosty gale]

i saw that cursed video

[warm surge]

here ddr4

[neon leaf]

well, atleast I still have some contacts that have discounted ddr4 so im buying new ampere ram next month hopefully

256gb for 300€

[frosty gale]

are 8gb sticks cheaper? for 2x 16gb i have a price of $386

[neon leaf]

not good but not horrible

[warm surge]

same I just call ltt

[clever tundra]

I own the 32gb version of that and when I got it, it was like barely that much 😭

[warm surge]

frr

[frosty gale]

man i wish i upgraded my pc to 64gb sooner to run LLMs on, i was delaying it and now theres no chance of getting an additional 32 for a decent price

only 2 more ram slots left so id have to buy the more expensive 2x 16gb sticks

[neon leaf]

i hope not ddr5 + amd

if so, forget using 4 dimms for ai

[pearl trail]

buy mac clusters with DMA

[neon leaf]

buy my gtx 1070ti gpu cluster pls

[frosty gale]

im still on ddr4 and amd 😔

[neon leaf]

tbh, I should try turning it on again

after 1.5 years dusting

[frosty gale]

youd be better off selling that on ebay 😭

[neon leaf]

nah, a cpu upgrade and itll run the biggest models (only like 64gb vram total so not)

[warm surge]

same

but i got 5060 oc

[sharp geyser]

That’s how much I spent on my 64gb ddr5 6000mhz

Now it’s worth as much as a 4080 super

😭

160$ for the ram kit when I bought it

Now it’s 750$

[sharp geyser]

Mercatus 2.0

[frosty gale]

mongodb had a critical cve published over christmas lol

they trusted the clients zlib uncompressed size hint and didnt check whether the decompressed data actually matched this which causes a buffer underflow which leaks arbitrary surrounding memory

waiting for r/rust enthusiasts to make a post about how rust wouldve prevented this attack

ignoring the fact that people can use unsafe code in rust

[radiant kraken]

nah more like shit currency

[radiant kraken]

the goat

[neon leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384341249137446992/1394194241835634790/caption.gif

[swift barn]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-18348698948575815487

[clever tundra]

beta (working, ready to change over) status page. feedback needed! whats good, whats bad, what looks weird, did i make a mistake etc...
https://trackerstatus.vercel.app/
any feedback appreciated

I just realised I never tried it on mobile oh no

So some bits are missing and need to be fixed on mobile uh I recommend you view it on a pc if you can

Bruh the database didn't database for the latency rip me²

[shell tundra]

[clever tundra]

sooo please feel free to give feedback on style but not on functionality because it is very broken and database not exist

[clever tundra]

Yeah I realised that the button can do that and forgot that this can be a happen

[shell tundra]

looks clean

[clever tundra]

Thanks

AI did most of it

I know nothing about typescript or react

[shell tundra]

oh 💀

[clever tundra]

AI did the base and I just heavily heavily modified it

It's an improvement from my last one
(https://status.trackerbot.xyz/)

[low marten]

i'm obsessed with my newest rendition of the auth panel, haven't shared my progress in a while, let me know

[low marten]

this is neat, im trying to work on my own status tracker

obviously personalized

but its coming along

[clever tundra]

I think the font for the welcome to is a bit out of place

[low marten]

oddly enough you're the only one to say that

but rest assured it is intentional

[clever tundra]

I personally am not a fan of it but oh well

I've seen worse font choice though

All in all solid 9/10

[low marten]

thanks man, yeah i use DM Sans, and for important headers, times new roman, just for some spice is all

[clever tundra]

I like the addition of the join the support server option instead of it being automatic

[low marten]

ye haha, it used to be automatic but

i got a few complaints

so ethically it seemed like the right thing to do

[clever tundra]

I think I was the uh main complainer

If I remember

[low marten]

OH i remember you now

yes

haha

[clever tundra]

I am him

And I have actually been using your bot since then

[low marten]

thanks man, yeah we've (or well i) have been growing recently

advertising sucks but

its worth it

[clever tundra]

Hmm prechecked

Personally I would uncheck both and make the user manually check the privacy policy one to be able to login

[low marten]

oh i see

[clever tundra]

Ensures users actually have some sense of awareness

[low marten]

you may be right

ill go update that now

[clever tundra]

This is when you hit cancel on the discord oauth, not sure how much you can make this look a tiny bit nicer or redirect you home

Aaand even if you uncheck support server it still has join servers for you

Eyy good stats

[low marten]

alright, thanks for testing all this for me man

[clever tundra]

No problem lol, sorry if I'm a bit harsh

[low marten]

ill address them next patch, later tonight

nono haha, much needed

[lyric mountain]

u also forgot ToS

[low marten]

Recently taken down, undergoing a complete rewrite. I know it's silly to take them down in production but there are safety measures up

[lyric mountain]

PP is to protect the user, ToS is to protect u

whe u re-add it, make sure to prompt all users to accept it

else they're not bound by the ToS

[clever tundra]

But what if you have a

[wheat mesa]

I think it’s better to have an explicit checkbox that requires the user to acknowledge it

Else there is an argument that the “fine print” wasn’t clearly stated

[delicate zephyr]

we make people enable a toggle saying they've read the ToS/Dev Policy for TopStats before giving them their token lol

[prime cliff]

Working on DB stuff now for my chat app using Scylla 😄

[delicate zephyr]

Yaca

[delicate zephyr]

nice db layout tho tbf

[prime cliff]

Only just learning scylla atm so xD no clue how to do more advanced stuff

At least having a visual designer and editor will help a lot https://dbschema.com

[delicate zephyr]

dbschema works for a lot tbf

its a shame it's a pita to use at times

oh yea @prime cliff

have you seen beszel

[prime cliff]

Oh nice

[delicate zephyr]

yea i thought it was cool

better than netdata tbf

custom alerts etc

actually usuable graphs in most cases

and none of the force cloud advertising

[lyric mountain]

that isn't valid legally (in most countries)

including the "by using this site you agree to our cookie policy"

you either ask the user to accept the terms or u cant bind them to it

[delicate zephyr]

this is our dialog and it's practically a gray area

we dont even really have a cookie policy cause we literally only use cookies for sessions lol

Assuming agreement will have you in a no no zone in most countries like @lyric mountain said

[lyric mountain]

especially in europe

[delicate zephyr]

Yea the EU doesnt fuck around

[clever tundra]

So if the website/dashboard is fully accessory based and most users will never see them, how do I get users to accept without having a button to press for every new user first time they use the bot

[lyric mountain]

Do they have to create an account to use the bot?

Or only for the dashboard?

[clever tundra]

Only dashboard

Bot is a case of add it and use it

[lyric mountain]

On discord ur covered by discord itself, all u need to do is make the ToS/PP publicly accessible

And easy to find

[clever tundra]

Oh great

But for the dashboard you need manual acceptance?

[lyric mountain]

Yes since it's an external service

[clever tundra]

Alright

Thank you for that insight

I plan to redo a lot of the UI for my dashboard soon anyways

[neon leaf]

in components v2, can you put different texts next to each other? like inlined embed fields?

[craggy pine]

From what I understand, no. There is text with a button next to it or text with an image next to it. Nothing like inlines

[long marsh]

has anyone actually done cold outreach for their bots as a form of advertising? for example, hitting up microinfluencers to advertise?

this is a shot in the dark 🙂

[vestal stratus]

yes, but not like that, happy to chat about it. but probably not a topic for the #development channel

[long marsh]

🤦

Yep, I thought I was in in #general

[pearl trail]

this is actually quite low consumption for a server, nice one. guess i can keep this running 24/7 xD

[frosty gale]

56 wattaroonies is wild

might as well be standby current

[pearl trail]

wild what, too big or too small 😭

[frosty gale]

small lmao

i wonder what my pc is currently reading as if i can even view it somewhere

actually nvm i can literally measure it by plugging in one of those MITM current readers

around 80-90w

nice

[potent glacier]

whats running on that? damn

(hardware i mean)

[long marsh]

how do you guys manage custom emojis with a development instance vs. a production instance of your bot?

I see two ways:

1. "feature flag" certain commands that are being worked on and use the main discord bot token even during development
   -> gets a little tricky with database migrations
2. upload the same emojis redundantly and control which to display via an environment config (dev emojis vs. prod emojis)

There's also another option to use the legacy-style of custom emoijs where both bots are in a single server that have all the emojis.

[neon leaf]

I still do it the old fashioned way, with emoji servers

[long marsh]

jinx

[neon leaf]

dont have many emojis so its perfectly fine

[long marsh]

Even if you did, just spin up more custom servers to get past the limit of 50 haha

[neon leaf]

yep

[long marsh]

it's very annoying managing the separate instances of emojis. i wish they could be at the "team" level to be shared amongst all the applications.

[clever tundra]

I use both
Bot has some emojis installed. They work on dev bot buttons & icons, just not messages.
The server is used for temporary profile emojis for some commands and that's about it

[lyric mountain]

the best way

[prime cliff]

🙂

[queen needle]

awesome

[radiant kraken]

what's that? you're getting a server?

[long marsh]

I stg ... i'm about to switch to this for ease of access.

[long marsh]

this is nightmare fuel to me