development

[patent bramble]

Email isn't that inconvenient lol

[wheat mesa]

It is for most users

It seems like you’re already GDPR compliant though, since you have an operational need to store the data indefinitely

[stiff dust]

There was a npm package for creating image from messages like discord chat anyone know it? I forgot the name of the package...

[frosty gale]

lmfao cursor ai writing unsafe code in something that can easily be done safely

[eternal osprey]

guys, is it me

or is the worst part about ts the tsconfig

EACH IMPORT I MAKE I GET A NEW ERROR

[quartz kindle]

the worst part of ts is ts

[lyric mountain]

just migrate to dart :v

[eternal osprey]

waddahel is dart

const { createConnection } = require("mysql2");
const { getSecret } = require("../../Agents/AWS/awsModule");


module.exports = async function createDB() {
  try {
   
    const dbName = (await getSecret("Data", "key")).toString();
    // fetch other secrets in the same way
  
    const db = createConnection({
      host: "ip",
      user: dbUser,
      password: dbPassword,
      database: dbName,
    });


    async function executeQuery(queryString: string, params: string[]) {
      return new Promise((resolve, reject) => {
        db.execute(queryString, params, (err: any, results: any) => {
          if (err) {
            console.error("DB Error:", err);
            return reject(err);
          }
          resolve(results);
        });
      });
    }

    return { db, executeQuery };
  } catch (err) {
    console.error("DB initialization failed:", err);
    process.exit(1);
  }
};

hey guys, this is my database handler.
In my main.js, my entrypoint of the script, i have await createDb().

For some reason, the data returned by aws here is ALWAYS empty. Even my aws module logs data correctly, just this function doesn't seem like its awaiting?

[stark kestrel]

https://dart.dev

[lyric mountain]

the cooler ts

[eternal osprey]

if i am learning a new language its going to be rust.

[lyric mountain]

if u know js u prolly know dart

the only difference is that the latter has proper types

[eternal osprey]

facts, i just like rust though.
It's syntax reminds me of haskel in a very very very vague way

[lyric mountain]

put vague in that

[eternal osprey]

my favourite lang is haskell and i'll die by it

[neon leaf]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html

[eternal osprey]

loll i was right

[stark kestrel]

i heard people say it's like a cult, seems like they're right

[eternal osprey]

it is

haskell is just simple.

[neon leaf]

rust is also a cult

[eternal osprey]

i just like the way you must give a function signature in abstract format

it's also super fast, and has no side effects.

most of the compute stuff in my backend, i just wrote it in haskell for the funs.

[eternal osprey]

MOVED
SECRET SENT

I did some logging, the moved is after the getSecret.
the secret sent in the aws module right before the return.
As you can see, my code doesn't await at all which is strange, as the module is async and i properly await it.

[quartz kindle]

so MOVED is after const dbName and SECRET SENT is inside getSecret right before the return line?

that makes no sense at all

also why dont you use mysql2/promise

[eternal osprey]

i mean its fixed now, after i uses Promise.all for some reason

but the whole thing is, it stillreturn an empty buffer.

I am absolutely stunned

all my other code is receiving their secrets nicely, only the connector of my db is not working.

ahhhhh ayayay

i know what's up

my encryptBuffer is encrypting the buffer and resetting the buffer

[quartz kindle]

you're encrypting in-place?

or just erasing it after

[eternal osprey]

i am using aws secrets manager. but i absolutely despice the idea that the keys are stored in my memory. Hence i am receiving a buffer and setting that buffer to 0.

requesting from aws each call is fucking expensive, hence i created a cache that i encrypt.

So eventhouhg that stays in memory, its encrypted.

i am mainly scared for memory dumps, not sure why.

[neon leaf]

if they are encrypted, they need to be decrypted

how are they decrypted?

[eternal osprey]

Using another secret lmao

But that secret isnt stored on the machine, just at modt a few seconds in memory

But nothing to do against that

Unless i create some sort of signing algo such that the key never leaves the environment

[neon leaf]

or quit the never ending game

[eternal osprey]

yup

I wont tho

Moving yo privy made it a lot safer tho

No more private keys on my server

All signed by a trusted third party

[frosty gale]

😵‍💫

[scenic kelp]

try an ML

OCaml or F#

both are mostly functional but also let you do some imperative stuff when performance would benefit

[quartz kindle]

you are worried about nothing basically

if that were an actual real world concern, nobody would be using secrets/keys/passwords anywhere in their programs lol

also, if you're using js, pretty sure any string you create will be cached in the engine for performance reasons

nodejs has string deduplication built into the engine, any string you create, even if temporary, will be stored in a string table

[queen needle]

interesting

I never knew that

[quartz kindle]

of course there are cases where it doesnt kick in, but thats up to the engine to decide

[queen needle]

TimJS when

[quartz kindle]

all copies of that string have the same address, so its all the same string, even if you write it literally, the engine checks if it already exists in the table

[queen needle]

Oh that's neat

I like thet

[neon leaf]

(rope strings)

[eternal osprey]

Damn interesting!

I mean i got a cache for private keys.. it just feels super exposed hahaha

[quartz kindle]

you're obsessing over the wrong things lol

there isnt a single software in the world that isnt vulnerable to memory dumps, if thats what you're worried about

[eternal osprey]

I know lol

[frosty gale]

lol cloudflare outage

half of the internet going down again i presume

[deft wolf]

Yes

Thank god youtube works without any problems

[waxen silo]

a dangit, my fav corn site runs on cloudflare smh

/jk

[deft wolf]

A lot of them actually

[waxen silo]

lmfao

[frosty gale]

i realised because i was working and the service we use stopped working so i messaged everyone asking if theyre having an issue too

messaged the dev and he told me its cloudflare

[unreal mist]

Yeah someone just shared this to another server I’m in

[frosty gale]

another global outage from cloudflare

not a good look

uptime sla must be cooked

[unreal mist]

Cloudfare: "aight peace out 🤞 "
Cloudfare status: "wait wat about me"
Cloudfare: "dw, u will join me later"

[neon leaf]

first cf outage that actually affected my stuff

🙏

[deft wolf]

Real

[unreal mist]

Thankfully my website isn’t affected

[waxen silo]

same, what is the use for cloudflare even TwT
i honestly never did research into it

[deft wolf]

Hiding origin IP, ddos protection, free SSL cert and hotlinking protection in my case

[waxen silo]

currently i host my site with nginx, how would i be able to use cloudflare?

[deft wolf]

Do you really want to use it after today's outage?

[unreal mist]

I use fastly

For the ssl cert

[deft wolf]

I mean for ssl you can just use cert bot but cf's dashboard is also cool I guess

[neon leaf]

I use it for global load balancing

[waxen silo]

        if not ctx.author.guild_permissions.kick_members:
            embed = discord.Embed(
                title="Missing Permissions",
                description="You do not have the permissions to execute this command!",
                color=EmbedColor
            )
            embed.add_field(name="Permission Needed:", value="`Kick Members`", inline=False)
            await ctx.send(embed=embed)

Anyone that can spot a mistake i made in discord.py?
im guild owner so no clue why it does this TwT

[unreal mist]

It’s going off the permissions, yes guild owners have them but it’ll return as false unless you have a role with it

[waxen silo]

ive given the role ive got (already had admin perms) kick member perms
still same issue

[unreal mist]

You could check

if ctx.author == ctx.guild.owner:

[waxen silo]

i hate dev lmfao

[unreal mist]

If you want guild owners to always have access to using?

I think that’s the right way for that

[waxen silo]

the warn command should be for users with kick_members perms

thats the whole thing
as simple as that
but for some reason discord says "fuck you"

[unreal mist]

Yes but guild owners will always have those perms by default anyway?

[waxen silo]

Exactly
why tf aint it working then TwT

[unreal mist]

Does the bot have the intent?

[waxen silo]

bot has all intents, and the bot has its own perms

ive done discord.Intents.all()

bruh
when printing ctx.author permissions (mine), it returns an empty string

[unreal mist]

What happens if you print perms of the author to console?

Beat me to it

Have it print the type of author

If it says user then that’ll be why

[lyric mountain]

try using channel.permissions_for for checking permissions

[quartz kindle]

they have so many of these that its a wonder how they are still #1 in the sector

i dont use it in any of my project because of that

rather have uptime than "protection" lol

[wooden ember]

its probably because they are so big, "sure my site is down, but so is everyone else's"

even if your site is up and its something people use for work, chances are they alreasy have the day off becuase all their work stuff is bricked. Not a good mentality but would you rather deal with some more downtime, or have to pay people to fix the issue while you are loosing money from it as well?

either way, cloudflare does not concern me, floor desktops have me covered.

[steel oxide]

added stat displays to my top.gg page which was fun

shoutout to claude for making the svg for me

[unreal mist]

Looks clean

#jealous

[steel oxide]

i wanna get into graphics and stuff more

always thought that stuff is really cool

[unreal mist]

You shouldddd

I’ll get you to draw me another theme to Toastoku

[steel oxide]

really putting faith in me with that one

[unreal mist]

[eternal osprey]

boys i am kinda tweaking.
What's the difference between export and module.exports?

for example, when i use export, i must import it.
If i use module.exports i must use require.

I know that it has to do with the fact that import is web based and require is a nodejs thingy, but never really looked into it.

[waxen silo]

Ty will check that later
Currently done it with a decorator
And [cmdname].error event

[lyric mountain]

judging by what u said here, the former is esm, the latter is cjs

also @quartz kindle wtf is happening with google auto-translate lmao

who tf is snapstromegon

[quartz kindle]

wtf lmao

[quartz kindle]

export is an official standard: ESM / Ecma Script Modules
the rest is not official, commonjs (module.exports + require) was created by nodejs before any standard existed

back then js had no concept of modules, all js was loaded into the global window scope

so a lot of people invented ways to simulate a modularized environment, among them was nodejs's own require system, which later became known as commonjs.
other similar systems worth mentioning are AMD (asynchronous module definition), requirejs and systemjs

pretty much all of them are obsolete and ESM is the one and only official standard now, although it does have its flaws and limitations, which is why a lot of people still prefer using commonjs in node

[frosty gale]

i used to use cloudflare for everything but recently also dropped them completely (except for domain registration since theyre cheapest)

mostly for dos protection but i'd rather have the independence over getting dos protection that sometimes works sometimes doesnt for a site that isnt targeted by them anyways (and even if it does there isnt really a loss for me)

i think hetzner offers some ddos protection for free so thats good, an improvement over galaxygate which charges for it

[quartz kindle]

yeah thats pretty much what im doing now as well, but im using porkbun for domains, then hetzner for hosting

i use cloudflare turnstile and sometimes analytics though

[unreal mist]

What’s the turnstile do?

[quartz kindle]

last i checked, cloudflare's analytics does not require cookies, so you dont need a cookie banner for using it

[stark kestrel]

modern captcha

[quartz kindle]

while most other analytics do

[quartz kindle]

yeah its a captcha thing

[unreal mist]

OHH

[quartz kindle]

its a bit clunky to work with, but it works pretty well, and often verifies by itself without user interaction

you can also hide it from view and only show if the user did not pass the automated tests and needs to interact

[unreal mist]

Fair enough

[quartz kindle]

you can also set it up to protect the entire website by redirecting you do a full screen captcha, but i dont like that one

[frosty gale]

its better than google captcha at least

[quartz kindle]

yeah better than anything that uses "please click on all cars/buses/bycicles"

[frosty gale]

but im not a fan of captchas in general though i prefer defence against bots/automation by design instead (but sometimes i acknowledge thats not really possible or easy)

[quartz kindle]

yeah there are many ways to protect yourself, but for something public/production-ready this is the safest bet i guess

i use it in login forms and all public facing forms

once the user logs in i disable it though

[stark kestrel]

which then takes 15 seconds to load the new images

[quartz kindle]

pretty much

i also have a honey pot in my forms for another layer of protection but its w/e at this point

[neon leaf]

@frosty gale did you know this syntax exists

just reremembered it exists

[stark kestrel]

let-else iirc

[frosty gale]

no but it doesnt surprise me considering rust allows for weird combinations like this
but i do use if let Some(x) = y {} else {} which looks a bit cleaner esp to people that dont do rust

[frosty gale]

then you can get a power trip by locking them if they spam

[quartz kindle]

i wish js had pattern matching expression like php 8 has

const a = switch(x) {
  case 1: return "a";
  case 2: return "x";
  case 3: {
    dosomerthing();
    return false;
  }
}

[queen needle]

that'd be neat

[quartz kindle]

there is a proposal to bring this to js, but the proposed syntax is ugly as hell

[queen needle]

WHat is it?

[quartz kindle]

its still in stage 1 (hasnt moved in 5 years lol), so its not finalized

match(<subject-expression>) {
    when <pattern>: <value-expression>;
    when <pattern>: <value-expression>;
    ...
    default: <value-expression>;
}

[queen needle]

idk i like that ngl

[quartz kindle]

match (command) {
  when ['go', let dir and ('north' or 'east' or 'south' or 'west')]: go(dir);
  when ['take', /[a-z]+ ball/ and {let weight}: takeBall(weight);
  default: lookAround()
}

[queen needle]

what in the python

i take back what I said

[quartz kindle]

exactly

xD

[queen needle]

i thought it'd be

[neon leaf]

I like how rust does it but wont really work with js sadly

[queen needle]

const direction = match(command){
when "north": "West"
...
}```

[quartz kindle]

match (res) {
  when isEmpty: ...;
  when {data: [let page] }: ...;
  when {data: [let frontPage, ...let pages] }: ...;
  default: ...;
}

it has some weird form of destructuring built in

[queen needle]

odd

i don't like that

[quartz kindle]

match (res) {
  when { status: 200, let body, ...let rest }: handleData(body, rest);
  when { const status, destination: let url } and if (300 <= status && status < 400):
    handleRedirect(url);
  when { status: 500 } and if (!this.hasRetried): do {
    retry(req);
    this.hasRetried = true;
  };
  default: throwSomething();
}

like how does this even make sense

[neon leaf]

yeah, this doesnt really work without a static type system

[eternal osprey]

day 4 of rewriting my code structure

i got so many folders i like it

[unreal mist]

i need to check if im actually allowed to use external c++ libraries for my assignment

if not then i cant read/write to json for saving and loading

[neon leaf]

Ive gotten so used to types this nested at this point

[frosty gale]

create a new proposal now and maybe when you're 90 years old with children that are adults and the world has moved on from JS completely the ES proposal would be merged by that point

[frosty gale]

the rust experience

200 byte structs as well 😍

[neon leaf]

do you want to see something that will make you cry?

[frosty gale]

dop i have a choice

[neon leaf]

no

this already has like 10 boxes

cant count apparently

unless RwLocks also box

[frosty gale]

your heap must look like a barcode atp

[neon leaf]

well atleast these objects usually live for the entire programs duration

but it is a mess ye

need to get ram usage down

50mb idle is too much for my liking

[wheat mesa]

hyper optimization

wish I was doing that

[frosty gale]

rust technically isnt the problem here but it encourages these types of patterns in some cases

[wheat mesa]

instead I'm writing a website where my chrome tab is taking up 300mb of ram to run it

[neon leaf]

also I found that the rust xz crate leaks memory if you dont read the sys crates docs

[wheat mesa]

btw maybe I'm tripping but I like that font

what font are you using

[neon leaf]

because when you enable mt, it does the compression completely outside of any of your logic

and its buffer never fills up

so you end up using 400gb ram

[frosty gale]

i got my frontend down to 40mb somehow with svelte but it doesnt do anything too special like editors or anything which use lots of memory

[neon leaf]

uh ill check

'Droid Sans Mono', 'monospace', monospace

[wheat mesa]

thank you

[neon leaf]

so this is my genius solution

impl<'a, W: Write + Send + 'static> Write for CompressionWriter<'a, W> {
    #[inline]
    fn write(&mut self, buf: &[u8]) -> std::io::Result<usize> {
        match self {
            CompressionWriter::None(writer) => writer.write(buf),
            CompressionWriter::Gz(writer) => writer.write(buf),
            CompressionWriter::Xz(i, writer) => {
                *i += 1;

                if *i % 64 == 0 {
                    writer.flush()?;
                }

                writer.write(buf)
            }
            CompressionWriter::Bz2(writer) => writer.write(buf),
            CompressionWriter::Lz4(writer) => writer.write(buf),
            CompressionWriter::Zstd(i, mt, writer) => {
                if *mt {
                    *i += 1;

                    if *i % 64 == 0 {
                        writer.flush()?;
                    }
                }

                writer.write(buf)
            }
        }
    }

    #[inline]
    fn flush(&mut self) -> std::io::Result<()> {
        match self {
            CompressionWriter::None(writer) => writer.flush(),
            CompressionWriter::Gz(writer) => writer.flush(),
            CompressionWriter::Xz(_, writer) => writer.flush(),
            CompressionWriter::Bz2(writer) => writer.flush(),
            CompressionWriter::Lz4(writer) => writer.flush(),
            CompressionWriter::Zstd(_, _, writer) => writer.flush(),
        }
    }
}

(same issue on zstd)

[frosty gale]

huh? does it just continuously allocate heap buffers

[neon leaf]

seems so yeah

[wheat mesa]

I mean the frontend I'm working on right now isn't super simple, but it probably doesn't justify 300mb of ram

[neon leaf]

the sys crate say it just continues without stopping

and the xz crate seems to not know that or something

flushing does force it to stop and finish though

[wheat mesa]

also guys NEVER use laravel

worst technology I've ever worked with

[neon leaf]

🙏

I do not like starting projects with it, but I dont hate working on it

[frosty gale]

never use php jk its a bit dated but its ok still

[wheat mesa]

I hhate both

I spent like 2 days working on setting shit up because I had to go in and manually modify my php.ini file to get something working

And then I had to find some random ass library binary online and tell php where to find it and shit

Honestly worse than setting up a C++/C lib

I thought the whole purpose of a language meant for web dev was to make it fucking easy

So glad I'm being moved to a different project next week

[neon leaf]

did you do it on windows or what?

[wheat mesa]

Also not to mention the intellisense for php is awful

[neon leaf]

never had these issues

[wheat mesa]

Yeah windows

[neon leaf]

that explains it

[wheat mesa]

All the machines at my work are windows

I'm sure it's not as big of a pain in the ass on linux

But we recently switched to using laravel for most projects because they found it "made us more efficient"

Which is a total lie, I've been slower than ever using PHP due to lack of intellisense and terrible language features that aren't consistent

[neon leaf]

would probably consider setting up wsl2

[wheat mesa]

Can't run it through WSL

[neon leaf]

but yeah the language itself is a total mess

[wheat mesa]

Can't remember why, but there's a reason I can't

[neon leaf]

me when I explode and implode a string

[wheat mesa]

We're using Herd

Yeah what an awful name for COMMON string functions

[neon leaf]

strrev and then str_contains

[wheat mesa]

"split"? nah, EXPLODE

[neon leaf]

at least laravel reexports most of these with more sane apis and names

[wheat mesa]

laravel is horrific

I hate everything about this framework

We're using it combined with Inertia Vue

So at least the frontend is somewhat tolerable, but god the whole laravel model is NOT meant to work with an SPA

[neon leaf]

it's funny because laravel has official templates for spa

[wheat mesa]

Yeah but the whole idea of laravel just doesn't work well with SPAs

[unreal mist]

-# any of you use c++

[neon leaf]

yeah

[wheat mesa]

It's just SSR disguised as an SPA

[wheat mesa]

occasionally

[neon leaf]

sometimes

[quartz kindle]

exDee

[unreal mist]

any experience with json with it 😭

[neon leaf]

yes

[wheat mesa]

a bit

[unreal mist]

how difficult would it be to create a header allowing nested variables (idk if this is worded right)?

[wheat mesa]

Like your own JSON parsing library?

[unreal mist]

kind of? im not entirely sure if im allowed to use external libraries but im wanting something like this:

{
    "overall": {
        "draws": 1,
        "total_games": 4
    },
    "player1": {
        "losses": 0,
        "name": "Noah",
        "piece": "N",
        "wins": 3
    },
    "player2": {
        "losses": 3,
        "name": "Noah2",
        "piece": "C",
        "wins": 0
    }
}

i know external libraries would be easier, however if im unable to, id rather learn how to make my own?

[neon leaf]

heh, i think your expectations are too high for c++

[wheat mesa]

It depends on your level of comfort with C++ and with language parsing

This isn't necessarily a super difficult task if you are familiar with C++ and parsing in general, but could prove to be very difficult to make it efficient

[unreal mist]

external libraries, its easy - i just dont want to use them if im not allowed

oh im not lookign for something extreme, will literally only store minimal data

[wheat mesa]

The general pattern to handle JSON in statically typed langs is to have some sort of recursive structure of classes

[unreal mist]

ill be asking my tutor if thats allowed tomorrow anyway just to be safe, just also need to look at other possibilities if not

[wheat mesa]

E.g.
JObject -> holds Map<String, JObject>

And at some point you'd have some sort of disciminated union to be able to convert a JObject to a JString or a raw string, etc.

This is just a general pattern, you may want to look at how popular libraries actually handle this

[unreal mist]

any youd recommend to look at?

[wheat mesa]

It's been a while since I've done anything with json in C++, you can probably find a billion libs by just searching "C++ JSON library"

[unreal mist]

alright

[eternal osprey]

does anyone know an online service for saving secrets?

I don't want to have my shit in a .env

i know aws secrets manager, i am still in shock cuz i didn't understand shit. You got iam policies, iam identity center, resource policies, resources, roles, roots, brah, so rather want a diff one

[patent bramble]

Don't know why but Discord keeps ignoring my X-Audit-Log-Reason specifically on role deletes 😭

[clever tundra]

What's so bad about env?

[eternal osprey]

feels scary.

if my shit gets breached i am cooked basically

[clever tundra]

Just have a self implode button on your desk

[eternal osprey]

Actually what about google cloud secrets?

They any good

[patent bramble]

I use Cloudflare Workers, they have secrets. Works perfect for me. If I ever reset my bot token I just update there and GitHub and refresh/clear clipboard to erase traces of it. As long as bad code isn't pushed and neither get breached it won't be exposed.

I've even considered a separate worker to autonomously rotate it every x days, but that might be overkill.

[patent bramble]

Apparently this is intended behavior by Discord??? 🤨
https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/4046

[eternal osprey]

Hmm, i will look into it! Tyy

[swift lava]

Hello

[patent bramble]

Just keep in mind it's designed to be used on Cloudflare's systems, not remote code. Kind of defeats the purpose and makes it more vulnerable otherwise.

[clever tundra]

@shell tundra

[shell tundra]

.ban @wild shoal 7 scammer

[shell echo]

Banned mummyrose0864

[eternal osprey]

i really don't know why datalix has no secret store.

or a way to store secrets alongside your vps

only feature i feel like is missing

anyone that used anything else than .env and can vouch for a cloud based secrets manager?

[stark kestrel]

since we host stuff on azure, its keyvault is kinda nice

[eternal osprey]

hmm, you got nothing else you used in the past?

I don't want to just google stuff w/o knowing which one to trust.

[stark kestrel]

haven't used others nope

heard good about hashicorp but can't say anything about it personally

[eternal osprey]

actually i read about doppler, their process is super sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOkow-qb_Ys check this

[patent bramble]

that's not something you'd put next to a VPS, you'd put it in the VPS

some larger companies might have something to support it though but your basic VPS providers likely won't. At least not for a while I'd think

[stark kestrel]

https://github.com/Snapchat/Valdi

[unreal mist]

i ended up managing to get it to write to a file, but i was struggling to figure out parsing - my tutor said as long as he can understand how to use the programme and can see it working (he wont be able to test mine without macos) then we werent limited to only those built in libraries so problem was solved

[eternal osprey]

this is so cool btw

you can run your node with the doppler built in cli, this will then inject a process.env into your program. So sick.

[frosty gale]

looks like a react native/svelte clone lol

[eternal osprey]

hey guys what are yall up to

yall having a wonderful day?

[deft wolf]

Not really, I was dizzy all day

[frosty gale]

true

[frail tinsel]

I'm stuck monitoring our webcrawlers today. At least all i have to do is watch charts

[cedar crescent]

@steel oxide check dm please

[steel oxide]

use #staff-tickets please

[pearl trail]

proof that we can't trust AI fully:

casually just pinged 305k+ members multiple times

[deft wolf]

[lyric mountain]

this version is incomplete

[quartz kindle]

cloudflare runs on amazon?

explains why they have so many outages

:^)

[prime cliff]

Cheat network server totally not sussy baka

[pearl trail]

🤫 🤫

[lyric mountain]

lmao

[vivid fulcrum]

it's literally react pre-hooks era

looks fun though. cross plat is always welcome

[frosty gale]

reading on it a bit i think its main selling point are the features you cant see, more efficient

but tbh anything is more performant than react/react native at this point

[vivid fulcrum]

i've been using tauri lately. it isn't a "native" library. in a sense that it just wraps webview2
but it still does it very well and I get to keep using JS/TS on the frontend

and the build sizes are reasonable

[frosty gale]

js and small build sizes? impossible

ah it uses webview

makes sense

[queen needle]

Tauri is really nice, I got into it to contribute to a project but have used it more for personal projects and I like it a lot

[prime cliff]

If only chromium could be installed as a runtime once and used everywhere instead of each app bundling their own entire thing

[lyric mountain]

dont forget windows using electron for the start menu :v

[lament rock]

🤢

[queen needle]

I thought it was react native

[lyric mountain]

it is

[quartz kindle]

this is more accurate

[neon leaf]

need to make a really simple mobile app that just reads nfc tags and calls some apis, does anyone have recommendations that are easy to develop with (including nfc support while developing!!!!)? android only

[prime cliff]

Wait what start menu is electron hu?

[lyric mountain]

flutter

https://pub.dev/packages/nfc_manager

should be pretty quick to get something up and running

[neon leaf]

alr thanks!

first time trying flutter ig

[lyric mountain]

it's similar to js, in a way

but well, just create a project and read the tons of comments it'll include in the example

[stark kestrel]

react native actually

[neon leaf]

how does testing while developing work? adb?

[stark kestrel]

emulator and adb

[lyric mountain]

I use intellij, but vsc also has a good integration plugin

dont recommend doing it raw

[prime cliff]

You can do adb using cable or android 11+ has adb over wifi

My phone is rooted for adb wifi

[lyric mountain]

bro u dont need root for wifi debugging

[prime cliff]

With older android versions you do sadly

[lyric mountain]

ah right

[neon leaf]

maybe consider custom roms then?

[lyric mountain]

hm?

[prime cliff]

I do but it's still a higher android version

I wouldnt want to upgrade to 11/12 anyway those versions had issues and restrictions like the stupid obb block

[neon leaf]

mmm, im running rooted stock nothing os on android 15

[prime cliff]

Have fun when google annoys you with sideloading 🙂

[neon leaf]

eh, SAI will cover it

sideloads apps using root

so bypasses any bullshit

[frosty gale]

too bad you lose access to lots of useful apps if you root/unlock bootloader 😦

[neon leaf]

youd think so

[frosty gale]

google and developers when i want to actually own my phone:

[neon leaf]

but 2h later and safetynet is completely fixed

can even download banking apps

and run them

[frosty gale]

yeah i use the play integrity fix on an old phone i rooted too, but its a cat and mouse game at this point because they rely on leaked TEE certificates from older android devices with less security and google constantly bans them so you have to keep rotating

and eventually we'll probably run out of insecure android devices to leak those certificates from

[neon leaf]

it is what it is

dont really use my phone much anyway

[frosty gale]

although i'll still choose owning my device any day of the week over bs restrictions

by the way think google is starting to cave into the pressure over the sideloading restrictions, i think they'll allow you to install unverified apps if you do some "this is unsafe do you want to enable this" typa shit

although i have a feeling there will be some curveball to this as with everything google does

[neon leaf]

beautiful sketchiness

[neon leaf]

yeah

i just hope the EU will ensure its atleast still usable

[frosty gale]

albeit i think the EU is actually part of the problem, at least for bootloader unlocks so not exactly related
samsung recently removed all bootloader unlocking mechanisms from their devices and its speculated its because of the EU's new radio law which requires manufacturers to lock devices down to prevent people (including owners) from potentially tampering with radio equipment on the device

[neon leaf]

waaaaaaaaa

[frosty gale]

truth is 90% of devices dont allow tuning the radio even with root since its encoded in the firmware/radio chip itself but might be an overkill solution just to comply

[neon leaf]

i mean its not hard to just buy radio equip

[frosty gale]

yeah, and just like that samsung completely alienated their entire root/custom rom community they've built up over a decade with not even a newsletter or post as to why

[neon leaf]

rust is finally catching up 🙏

[prime cliff]

pog got it working with websocket and message sending

[clever tundra]

Alright I'm desperate I need a py library that can reliably detect the language of a string and:

• handles short strings
• handles all langs
• returns country code/name

I've tried about 8 and all aren't great at all

[frosty gale]

true

i still remember how carbon banged on about being the successor and replacment to c++ (everyone forgot about it)

[neon leaf]

I mean its not released yet is it

[frosty gale]

then in that case the hype and claims they made was way too early because its been ages

[stark kestrel]

They never really did

[delicate zephyr]

• Lingua
• pycld3
• langid / py3langid
• fast-langdetect
• short-language-detection

[clever tundra]

Tried 3 of those

[stark kestrel]

They always said, IF it becomes to a stage where it can be production ready, it wil be a successor to C++

[delicate zephyr]

which 3

[clever tundra]

Lingua
Fast-langdetect
Pycld3

[stark kestrel]

And the production ready stage was always said to be in years from now, if at all - it's an experiment

[clever tundra]

Will try the rest tho

[delicate zephyr]

i guess try the other 2 then

[clever tundra]

Yeah

[stark kestrel]

You should read the entire thing

It's an experiment they do to see if a language successor to C++ can be done

It never claimed like other languages do to be the successor and replacement of a language

It first goes by its initial experimental phase to see if it's even possible

Unlike other languages that straight up say the opposite

cough V cough

[frosty gale]

the readme strongly suggests that as the intention to me but if you say so

[stark kestrel]

You should read the entire project's ideology and phases/development stages

They may stop it tomorrow because they consider the experiment to not be a success

Production ready was always said to be in the years, with no deadline or specific year, exactly for the reason that it may not continue

[scenic kelp]

the best thing that could happen for C++ is just a preprocessor that denies usage of older C++ features

[frosty gale]

my c++ code would probably fail almost every lint lmao

i sorta use c++ like c with classes and on steroids but thats starting to change after using rust more

i started out jumping into c++ without actually learning any of the modern mechanics and interfaces in it so at the moment its a mess of c and c++ apis, random mallocs and news etc

ive only learned about RAII a few months ago... after using c++ for 2-3 years lol

[neon leaf]

oof

[frosty gale]

in all fairness i started out c++ when writing embedded code so no standard library so got used to the old legacy c constructs to do everything

[unreal mist]

I started c++ this year with my assignments

[quartz kindle]

i surrendered and bought 1 month of claude pro

lets see if its worth it

[pearl trail]

ong tim fell into ai hole

[deft wolf]

My goat disappointed me

[steel oxide]

it is

the results...very good

but admittedly it's made me a lazy programmer 💀

[quartz kindle]

o kurwa

[feral aspen]

hmm - why not GPT Plus or Gemini Pro (just curious)

[clever tundra]

because claude is best for coding

[neon leaf]

tbh the newer models are worse than the old ones

atleast in the real world

[frosty gale]

couldve got the chatgpt 1 month trial or cursor pro

every ai company copying each other's $20 a month lol

i still remember how sam altman did a poll on how much people would pay for chatgpt pro and according to them it came to $20 a month

[quartz kindle]

i tried cursor pro with a friend's account and also checked out gpt but claude is generally viewed more favorably

[delicate zephyr]

Claude is goated

sad because im gonna have to tell my work to take me off their copilot seat so I can use my own so i can have claude

or I just get cursor

[frosty gale]

cursor has all the major llms and includes most of them in their pro plan so its worth it if you want the best bang

has claude too and the latest sonnet models

although doesnt github's copilot include claude as an option too?

[scenic kelp]

I'm in a C++ course at uni and it's actually pissing me off so much because I want to write like modern good C++ and the shit the prof is making us do is anything but

we're mixing references and pointers with no rhyme or reason

like something that logically should be nullable must return a reference????

[lament rock]

I think some people get caught up in their own ways of programming, which is true for just about everyone unless they can break out of that and become "agile". People find whatever works for them and aren't always about how to do things "properly" or in the most efficient way because of how they're able to apply their logic or because of past experiences. I taught a few people entry level JS and I'm certain I did things in a decent enough manner as they've gotten relatively good at it, but I'm certain what I told them is a bit dated or not the most uh... Ideal I guess for lack of a better word.

I think it's really hard to teach people your own ways of logic as you have that fundamental understanding, but not everyone applies logic the same way

[scenic kelp]

i'm not even saying she should be using smart pointers and RAII everywhere

pointers and references are fundamental C++ features and the fact that she's mixing them with no purpose is insane

[frosty gale]

what kind of code did she show? maybe shes just demonstrating the difference between pointers and references idk

but you still probably wont get away from using those in your course since many c++ codebases still use them without RAII/safe alternatives so probably just preparing you for reality of c++ codebases

[scenic kelp]

we're given function prototypes we cannot change as part of a project we must build

remember this is end of term too so she has very much explained how they should be used properly

[frosty gale]

☠️

i would just ask since it seems nonsensical at first

[prime cliff]

Did you choose to do C++ or?
Could have learned a modern language instead that can land a job.

[frosty gale]

c++ slander detected opinion rejected

[prime cliff]

[scenic kelp]

i really hope this is sarcasm 😭

[frosty gale]

its a bit funny tho lmao

if you posted that on the c++ subreddit youd get slaughtered

[scenic kelp]

the majority of roles I have seen are C#, Java, JS or C++

C++ was the only weak link for me and I also needed to take either cpp or some fuckass networking course

[frosty gale]

learning any of those in the big 2025 when we have chatgpt? wild

[unreal mist]

I’d rather cpp than networking too

[prime cliff]

C++ is more suited for lower level jobs with more experience required so it's a higher barrier of entry compared to C#, JS, Python

[scenic kelp]

yeah but that's also a major weak area of mine

I didn't really have any systems language experience

[frosty gale]

yeah c++ is incredibly powerful but very easy to get wrong

rust makes it a lot harder to get wrong at the cost of some power (but lets you do a lot of that using unsafe)

[steel oxide]

does anyone happen to know if the GuildEmojiDelete event fires when a server loses extra emoji slots? (from losing nitro boosts)

[unreal mist]

it doesnt, it should only be firing if an emoji is actually removed from the server. when servers lose the extra emoji slots the extra emojis get locked to stay within the limit

the ones locked when sent, just send like this :emojiname: instead of the actual emoji

[steel oxide]

i figured it probably behaved that way

[steel oxide]

yeah this is unfortunate bc i allow users to select the emojis they want to use

it's just a pet peeve of mine when they look like :emoji:

ty for the answer

[unreal mist]

youre welcome

[unreal mist]

yeah, those extra emojis do unlock if you regain the slots again which is great since you dont need to readd them to the server

[steel oxide]

reuploading 100 emojis each time u unlock new slots sounds so fun! 🤣

[unreal mist]

i know right!!!

[eternal osprey]

hey guys is the ip of a vps @ datalix a /32 or /24 mask?

[neon leaf]

/24

[eternal osprey]

i set up trusted policies to make sure only my ip can access it, i added the ip as a /32, but i get rejected lol

[eternal osprey]

ah i assumed so, i gotta allow /24 on my ip

[neon leaf]

if you set it to /24 it will allow everyone on the ip block

depends where you use the mask in

for networking /24 is correct

for whitelisting /32 is

[eternal osprey]

owh wait so my vps doesn't get to use the whole mask?

damn

[neon leaf]

a /24 block costs like 500€/month

[eternal osprey]

my bad lol

why the fuck is doppler rejecting my ip then

[neon leaf]

ipv6?

[eternal osprey]

my home network gets in though

that's what i don't get

Doppler Error: Your IP address is not allowed to access this config. Please contact the workplace owner for access.

[neon leaf]

^?

your vps has a /64 ipv6 block

[eternal osprey]

no ipv4.

really strange dafuq

may it actually be cuz of the ddos mitigate portal that datalix is running?

[eternal osprey]

turned out i had to add ipv6 as my vps somehow prefers that or sum?

[neon leaf]

yes

[patent bramble]

How long does it take Discord to approve intents? I thought it was quick but I'm going on 4 days now and hit the 100 limit. Can't join any new guilds. Heck I can't even add it, which is wild because it's mine lmao

[stark kestrel]

It used to be a few months, so I wouldn't complain if it takes like a week or so

[unreal mist]

When did you submit?

[lyric mountain]

if u asked for any privileged intent it might take longer

[acoustic fern]

Mine was like 2 days I believe, wasn’t long at all

Maybe I just got lucky lol

[unreal mist]

I think for me, it was 33hrs after applying? Could be wrong but I also believe it’s only M-F they deal with the requests too

[clever tundra]

a couple of business days

and good hekkin luck lmao

[clever tundra]

fr fr

[patent bramble]

Thursday

[patent bramble]

I saw mention of 5 but I'd assume holiday would push that to next week.

[patent bramble]

Probably depends on demand

[clever tundra]

true

[patent bramble]

Kinda sucks because there's nowhere to check the status to know. Bot page still shows the need for the application, but it said that ever since I submitted it and I got the email about it so I know it went through.

[unreal mist]

I’d say you’d hear back by the end of the week, next week possibly at the latest?

[prime cliff]

😄 forgot to update the server header static value oops

[queen needle]

Looking nice!!!

[amber rose]

Another win for app commands

[crystal wigeon]

yo uh, is it possible to send 60k users dms from discord bot?

im doing a christmas event where users get some reward but I want to dm them

to make them aware of the reward they received

is it possible?

[deft wolf]

Is it? Yes. Should you? Probably not unless you know they dmed your bot first

[crystal wigeon]

yeah these are all players who registered/played on my bot

[lament rock]

Sending that many messages at once is definitely how to get your bot's account flagged

[crystal wigeon]

but dont you get rate limited if u send 5 dms a second or seomthing.

yea

worried about that

[deft wolf]

Rate limited =//= flagged no?

[lament rock]

You'll have to spread it out over a considerable amount of time. If you need to update your users that care about something, I set a status

The rate limit is 5 messages per 5 seconds per channel but sending the same message is sus

[crystal wigeon]

so the scenario is. when users receive a gift they get a dm from the bot. and I've decided to gift everyone for my bot's anniverary

and theres like 60k players on the bot

not sure how to approach this

[lament rock]

Just set a status. Dont send a message for that. If the user later finds out they have it, sufficed it's in an obvious spot then they'll see it

[crystal wigeon]

hmm but the goal also is to bring back inactive players

[deft wolf]

You could inform them when they use your bot next time that they received something

[crystal wigeon]

so they will never know about the reward right?

hmm

[deft wolf]

If they don't care about your bot do you really think "gift" would make them come back?

[lament rock]

If people don't bother to check of their own accord then I take a stance that you shouldn't get in their way and try to force your way back into things

[crystal wigeon]

ig I can reward them when they interact with the bot again

thanks

[lament rock]

Honestly I could check how often ppl use my bot regularly but I don't care tbh. Will only get me worried over nothing tbh

[unreal mist]

Could always do it as an announcement, first time they interact with the bot since you added it, the bot will tell them in the channel that they have a reward they can claim?

[crystal wigeon]

but i wonder how do these ticketing bots work?? i assume 100k+ users use it and they get dms from this bot no

[crystal wigeon]

yeah pretty much going with this

[lament rock]

The messages are usually different

[crystal wigeon]

i see

[lament rock]

some bigger bots have relaxed limits as well

[unreal mist]

Ticket bots usually send an ephemeral (hidden message) to say the ticket was created and usually only dm if a) user has them open b) ticket was closed but that’s also something that is setup server side for the dming part

Not all servers have it where it’ll dm the user once it’s closed

[crystal wigeon]

gotcha

[lyric mountain]

you'll very likely get it banned

[crystal wigeon]

Ye I won’t be sending dms

[patent bramble]

I'm hoping today but if not then likely Monday or Tuesday. Not sure if they count Saturday as a business day or not, but since tomorrow is a holiday, hours are likely laxed today and tomorrow, and maybe even Friday.

[unreal mist]

Tomorrow is a holiday?

[patent bramble]

Thanksgiving yes

US Holiday

[unreal mist]

Oh right yeah I forgot it was TG tomorrow

Someone mentioned it yesterday actually despite us being in the UK

[patent bramble]

then Black Friday/Cyber Monday chaos ensues

[unreal mist]

Yeah I know Black Friday is this weekend

[patent bramble]

although it's never like it used to be lol

well Black Friday is always the day after Thanksgiving 😛

[twilit hull]

?verify

[deft wolf]

[stark kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-capcha-gif-1554933382997886256

[deft wolf]

Polish users

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, how do i pass a whole ReactNode as a data prop ?

I basically want a main function that wraps my children in a header and footer to mitigate repeated code.

[unkempt stream]

Hey, I'm polish too

🇵🇱

[quartz kindle]

o kurwa

[frail tinsel]

@deft wolf i really dig your profile pic

my attempt at one of those community pixel things

[unreal mist]

1 star per ip per hour (so with mobile data that’s 2 an hour 👀)

[lyric mountain]

Most vpns allow for ip rotation

[frosty gale]

initializing my botnet to start placing stars as we speak

-# The preceding statement contains figurative or humorous language and does not describe any real or intended use of automated systems, “botnets,” or any activity that violates Discord’s Terms of Service, Community Guidelines, or applicable law. I do not operate, condone, or participate in unauthorized automation, distributed control networks, or any activity that could compromise platform integrity or user safety. Any interpretation suggesting otherwise is incorrect.

[frail tinsel]

be gentle 😂

[neon leaf]

dude I swear some companies deserve to go under

I got access to a companies full network with a basic path traversal exploit, and now they are denying it

so I have to go to the state now because they have to report this and are refusing

[quartz kindle]

@frosty gale did you see that hetzner has different plans now?

they have a "cost-optimized" section and a "regular-performance" section

cost-optimized has 4gb ram and 2 vcpus for 3.5 eur

i would like to run some benchmarks on these lol

[frosty gale]

yeah i saw that they say my current plan is deprecated now

might switch over because the old plan im on now is slightly more expensive than the new ones

but dont know how it compares on performance

[pearl trail]

have you tried benchmarking on ovh's cheap vps? that $4/5 ish for 8gb ram 4vcore

[frosty gale]

current plan vs new plan
not sure if its worth it

[quartz kindle]

im on the CPX11 plan because USA location

so im stuck with higher price and only 2gb ram lol

for now

[quartz kindle]

no i havent

let me look at them, but i dont like OVH's reputation lol

[pearl trail]

ah, that's fine

[pearl trail]

what happen with them 💀

my friend's been using ovh for their business and it's been working just fine

[quartz kindle]

they had the datacenter fire that destroyed a bunch of stuff

but idk

[pearl trail]

wow

[quartz kindle]

here is a public benchmark for them: https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/yabs/ovhcloud_us-4c-8gb-20251114-0f2a3b

[pearl trail]

i see, thanks for the info

[neon leaf]

I dont think that actually does much to their reputation nowadays

it was a long time ago already

[quartz kindle]

here is side by side for OVH (right 4 cpu 8gb) and hetzner (left 2 cpu 4gb)

this particular benchmar has weird results

here is another benchmark for the exact same hetzner plan

you get widly different numbers depending on your luck, since the company is free to provision you with whatever hardware they have available at the time, as long as it fits the specs

which is utter bullcrap imo

but you pretty much have to create/delete instances until you get one with good performance lol

you can see all the latest public benchmarks people do on these servers here:
https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com/compare/performances/yabs

[frosty gale]

i'll try test mine see what i get

man i really want to get a better server but logically it doesnt justify the cost given my traffic and stuff i have on there

im basically the only one aside from a few occasional outside people using stuff on there since its mainly private so bottom hardware makes sense

oh you have to enter ssh credentials 💀 i'll just do some benchmarks manually

[quartz kindle]

just call the yabs script

[frosty gale]

imagine if they temporarily increase your specs if they detect youre running a benchmark

[quartz kindle]

lmao

honestly from looking at these benchmarks i dont see much gain in paying for more expensive plans, the results are so wild you often have cheap plans outperforming dedicated plans

wildly different results in different instances of the same plans as well

[frosty gale]

this cant be real

[quartz kindle]

well, these are user submitted benchmarks, we dont know the context nor environment they did it in

but still

network speed is totally unreliable, since it further depends on testing servers being used

bottom line:
buy cheap intel/amd hetzner vps, check if you got AMD EPYC, if not, delete and remake untill you get it

[frosty gale]

my bench for cpu finished
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/15261580 @quartz kindle

will try do a disk bench later too

[neon leaf]

just get the arm servers 🙏

usually better perf for better price

[solemn latch]

Do you remember my tests?

Did quite a few. All were worse on the dedicated plans. Most by a significant margin.

Just get a shared plan if you're on hetzner.

Or like 0x7d8 said, arm is surprisingly good.

[frosty gale]

i have a free 24gb ram arm server from oracle with like 4 cores so if i paid for a static ip i could probably use that

but ive never used an arm server for anything major so id have to do a lot of porting

but it is incredibly fast, we losing out with ancient x86

[solemn latch]

Fex I think it's the nail in the coffin for x86

[lyric mountain]

just wait till gabecube gets traction

one of the selling points is that it supports any x86 software despite being arm

[frosty gale]

sounds cool

but yeah in general x86 is just a dated architecture as much as i love it, decades of backwards compatibility and design decisions behind it, it has served us well but we might want to move to arm/riscv or something similar in the future

[neon leaf]

sir

the gabecube is x86 (zen 4)

you are talking about the frame (snapdragon 8 gen 3)

[lyric mountain]

Oh right

[neon leaf]

I will (hopefully) be buying an 80-core arm server from 2021 soon™

will be fun to play around with

[lyric mountain]

The hell will u do with 80 cores?

That's like, 160 native threads

[neon leaf]

no clue

I will make something work

[vivid fulcrum]

run bungeecord

[neon leaf]

I was indeed thinking of resuming my crazy player tests

got to 5000 players on a single 7443P

but the bottleneck was the cpu

[quartz kindle]

which instance is this?

[solemn latch]

Ampere?
I want

[neon leaf]

yes Ampere Altra

[lunar trail]

How da hell do I import commands from discord

[frail tinsel]

in python?

[lunar trail]

js

[frail tinsel]

oop, not sure about .js sorry

[lunar trail]

okay

its fine

ill just go #support ig

[spark flint]

wrong place

this is the channel to ask for coding support

#support is for help with the website

[lunar trail]

aight

[swift barn]

https://github.com/TermuxHackz/Commands-to-Top.GG/tree/master/discordjs

[lunar trail]

thack you!

Thank*

[quartz kindle]

@frosty gale i recommended hetzner to a friend, they created an account, got asked to send documents (they are from ukraine), they sent them, and 24 hours later the account was gone, deleted, blocked, no explanation, no email

lmao

so now i have to recommend them a new host

OVH, DO, or any other recomendation?

dont want contabo, dont know if datalix is reputable enough but it does look good on paper (they want to build an actual business, they are not devs)

@pearl trail i guess you vouch for OVH?

[quartz kindle]

im leaning towards the Datalix EPYC servers right now, but still waiting for the friend to say what they want to do

[swift barn]

wait whats wrong with contabo im one click away

[deft wolf]

They are german

[quartz kindle]

last benchmarks i saw from them were not too good, they are very cheap so you just have more cores, but per-core performance and also their ssds were not the best

but might be different now

i still remember their old website, used to be so bad xD

[quartz kindle]

website from early 2000s

[swift barn]

ohh now they got a new website and panel and everythingive just gotten. 48GB ram and 12cpu from them i think

[swift barn]

if it works it works

[quartz kindle]

thats a beast regardless xD

all my vps's are ~5 usd/eur ones

[neon leaf]

my Ampere Altra Q80-30 server should be ready in max 2 weeks, very excited to benchmark

[quartz kindle]

ayyy

[neon leaf]

sadly I was only able to buy 16gb ram for now, im not paying the inflated prices (Ill just take 128gb from my epyc)

[quartz kindle]

are you gonna offer hosting?

[neon leaf]

i dont think you want that with my network speed

[quartz kindle]

xDDDD

[neon leaf]

apparently this cpu is crazy in multithreading though, even compared to my 7443P and 9900X

which will hopefully make up for the 1000€ motherboard cost...

[swift barn]

ahhh fairs fairs

[quartz kindle]

datalix EPYC is sold out @_@

[neon leaf]

they are also suffering from the ram pricing

cant build any new nodes

for all product lines

since all of them use ddr4

[quartz kindle]

rip

the EPYC was listed as in stock in their website like 30min ago xD

[neon leaf]

its a dynamic stock system

so immediately free once a server expires

[lament rock]

https://amanda.moe/blog/hosting-providers-changed

You should read this

(disclaimer, I wrote this)

[swift barn]

theyve actually improved with their customer service since now they have a live chat support, plussss...it is what it is,

[lament rock]

Great their customer support has improved, but should a VPS have 2 major outages lasting almost half a day

[neon leaf]

might not even take 2 weeks after all

I just hope I dont need to buy 100€ import fees again

[swift barn]

i think that was before though ? i meann i cant say there are times services might go down and what not, thats like normal id say, so far, i think u for the price i can kinda tolerate it, so far it hasnt happened and they have better plans, theyve really improved iwl ,

[delicate zephyr]

[prime cliff]

Bot stuff done 😄

[prime cliff]

@harsh nova scam

[pearl trail]

yeah my friend has been using their dedi and they never get any problem (they use it to host public mc servers with ~300-700 players)

i also use it and it's price is really good for the specs that i need compared to other providers

[quartz kindle]

my friend tried OVH, and got an error while trying to pay lol

banned from hetzner, payment refused from ovh, things are not looking good for him xD

[deft wolf]

Servers out of stock on Datalix 😔

[pearl trail]

what crime your friend has committed 💀 joke

[deft wolf]

War crimes

[pearl trail]

xD

[low marten]

Hey i have a question regarding being listed on top.gg

my set-up is primarily web-based, my bot has no commands, it simply sits there to gather message timestamps, and user IDs. I'm not sure if my bot qualifies, due to this, can anyone confirm?

[stark kestrel]

document the main feature, ideally you'd still have a help command that links to the dasboard or give information about the bot

[low marten]

ah, this makes sense thanks

[frosty gale]

it was the cheapest one you could get for x86, dont know the plan name now because its deprecated

[frosty gale]

no ukranians allowed on hetzner

[quartz kindle]

well, not sure, but he is ukranian, maybe vps companies think hes a hacker

[neon leaf]

ye hetzner is annoying to use outside of germany

Ive never had to provide any identification in 2 years

[quartz kindle]

is it CX23? if yes, delete it an remake it until you get an AMD cpu

you can get either cpu, but intel always has worse perf than amd

[frosty gale]

why is there always so much lore to these cheap hosts

[deft wolf]

Holy scam

[quartz kindle]

its funny but this is true for a lot of hosts out there, if they make no guarantee of which cpu you get, that means its a mixed hardware pool, and you get wildly different performance results depending on your luck lmao

[stark kestrel]

well that was quick

[frosty gale]

i reported this exact same casino scam site to cloudflare, absolutely no action was taken

[deft wolf]

Well they won't do anything if they are using them as a proxy only

[frosty gale]

i would try this but moving everything over on my server again might be hell

[frosty gale]

so like 90% of the reason people use cloudflare? 😭

[stark kestrel]

[e-mail]

[neon leaf]

😛

on all my vps

except the arm ones ofc

[quartz kindle]

yeah not worth moving an existing server for little gains, but for the future if you're ever gonna get a new one, always check perf first and if bad, delete and remake xD

[quartz kindle]

nice

[neon leaf]

oof

[quartz kindle]

get some swap

[neon leaf]

memory is fine

[quartz kindle]

1gb swap should be fine

[neon leaf]

disk is scary

because all edge nodes are this full

[frosty gale]

instruction list for free ram

sudo fallocate -l 2G /swapfile || sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=2048
sudo chmod 600 /swapfile
sudo mkswap /swapfile
sudo swapon /swapfile
echo "/swapfile none swap sw 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10
echo "vm.swappiness=10" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf

[quartz kindle]

disk is easy to get more no? you should be able to increase your disk size for a few cents more

[quartz kindle]

download more ram

[neon leaf]

I dont think so

I can buy block volumes but too slow for db

[neon leaf]

zram >>>

[quartz kindle]

my swappiness is at 60, what does reducing it to 10 do?

[neon leaf]

zram is a life saver

barely touches performance and usually over 50% compression ratio

NAME       ALGORITHM DISKSIZE  DATA COMPR TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT
/dev/zram0 zstd           46G 41.2G   18G 18.2G      24 [SWAP]

[frosty gale]

i think a lower swappiness makes the kernel much less likely to use swap and only use it when memory pressure is really high up to a critical point

otherwise with higher i think it swaps earlier but not sure

[frosty gale]

nice

might try it for a low memory server but for my hetzner vm im not even using all of it for multiple services

i think android uses zram too

[quartz kindle]

nice, i prefer zswap, but zram is also cool

[neon leaf]

I mean even on lowest settings its going to be insanely effective

due to all the padding in modern programs

[frosty gale]

but i think the compression ratios you get will depend on what kind of stuff your programs are storing in memory

if its primarily zeroed buffers or predictable bytes it will probably be much better than disk swap

[neon leaf]

indeed

especially because the decompression reaches over 9GB/s easily

so even if it doesnt have a high ratio, it wont slow stuff down more than a few %

so never bad to have

[frosty gale]

9 gigaroonies?!

[quartz kindle]

you're using zram as half of your physical ram?

i've seen people say that you can safely set zram to double/triple your physical ram lmao

[neon leaf]

I don't trust it that much yet

[quartz kindle]

i've spent the past hour reading all sorts of articles on zram, zswap and what not lmao

testing it at 1.5x ram right now

the interesting/tricky part is that zram only cares about logical memory, ie if your zram is 2gb, its 2gb uncompressed, even if the actual compressed data only uses 10mb ram, zram will simply refuse to compress more data

[neon leaf]

thats the reason you can set it to 2x safely

[quartz kindle]

so your actual ram usage for 2gb physical + 2gb zram (with 100x compression ratio, hypothetical) would be 1980mb + 20mb compressed

[teal wharf]

What is the best hardware for a bot that has every feature a server needs, like music and most Mee6 and Dyno features?

[digital swan]

literally anything from the last decade until it's big

[prime cliff]

Every server dosen't need music also music features have become very annoying 3rd party wise so you shouldn't deal with that headache

[neon leaf]

is there still no properly maintained rust library for yaml with serde ?????

I mean the current ones work but why does noone have a maintained one

@solemn latch

[solemn latch]

tyty

[teal wharf]

i try and run it on my old thinkpad

[frosty gale]

because json 🔛 🔝

[neon leaf]

not for configs

imo

[frosty gale]

😠

yeah i guess yaml isnt too bad for configs

bit friendlier than json

[vivid fulcrum]

what do you mean you aren't obscuring your app configuration behind 20 undocumented environment variables

[frosty gale]

people still make music bots? those are such a heavy mess to maintain since youre sort of implementing a mini scale music streaming platform.. with discord's quirks

on top of that no local caching like spotify can so you have to stream constantly

[teal wharf]

I just use ytdl and FFmpeg it's not that hard.

[deft wolf]

Yes, breaking ToS is not hard

[pearl trail]

i wonder how windows swaps memory. i used to reach >70gb swap on 32gb ram when i ran ai models

[quartz kindle]

i dont know anything other than that it has a system-managed swap file by default

and we would often configure it to a fixed prealocated size to prevent it from dynamically resizing the swap file, because slow as fuck on HDDs

[pearl trail]

xDdd that’s why old laptops with small ram + hdd often find their disk is at 100%

[quartz kindle]

that and windows update running in the background

xDDD

[frosty gale]

i didnt say it was hard its just not scalable or efficient

[frosty gale]

windows in general dies on hdds

they really havent optimized ntfs for hdd use at all

ext4 handles hdds much better mostly since it actively tries to prevent fragmentation while ntfs just dumps parts of files anywhere where theres free space on the disk

[teal wharf]

Thats true

[quartz kindle]

good old era of defragment your pc to improve performance

[neon leaf]

tim, the ampere server may be ready next week

want me to run any tests?

[quartz kindle]

cool

you can run YABS or something but its for sure gonna be a beast

[crimson vapor]

[patent bramble]

So apparently I submitted my privileged intent request incorrectly and referred to the wrong API endpoint (get guild member vs list guild members). Since I technically don't need this right now (still WIP), can I disbale the intent but still get approval for it the same way, or do I need to request it a different way? 👀

[frosty gale]

yeah im fairly sure you can request an intent later on once you have a use case

but once you have it you cant disable it (not that youd probably want to anyways)

[lament rock]

You can also exclude the privileged intents from your gateway identify at no consequence

[neon leaf]

I broke typescript

[digital swan]

Is that what happens with strict mode off

[neon leaf]

bruh

thank you for that message lol

[frosty gale]

sigma boy

[neon leaf]

😄 🔫

[low marten]

import sigma 😭

sigma boy

im actually unsure if this is brainrot or math

[neon leaf]

its brainrot in this case

[quartz kindle]

a friend of mine (same guy that was banned from hetzner and ovh) said his website is broken and the css is all screwed up, and asked me to help fix it

turns out someone changed the main css file and broke it by adding "na" at the beginning of the file, im guessing by accident? or some AI did it? idk

literally first line was changed from @import ... to na@import ... and turned the entire css file invalid lmao

[neon leaf]

🙏 still waiting for this feature https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/issues/32063

[queen needle]

I have had this happen before by like typing in the wrong file and not noticing if it was something like that?

[jaunty cypress]

guys ussaly how many minutes will it takes that discord uplaod / global slashcom?

[rocky heron]

use ctrl + r to restart the discord client and is uploaded

[clever tundra]

After they're synced, Ctrl R discord and they should be there

[prime cliff]

Pog added friends, requests, ignored and blocked
I'm also adding friend flags for important (bypasses do not disturb notifications) and pinned 😄

[low marten]

I got accepted 🤞👍

[dense merlin]

@cunning current

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle

[quartz kindle]

ayyyy

[frosty gale]

x86 traitor

blocked

[quartz kindle]

you guys saw nvidia's new cpu? or rather "gaming cpu"

[warm surge]

timm

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-alex-surprise-lion-smiling-gif-22612181

[quartz kindle]

wa

[frosty gale]

they do?

[neon leaf]

Nvidia has confirmed the development of its first desktop CPUs, the Nvidia N1X and N1, which are based on the Grace Blackwell Superchip (GB10) and will be integrated into mini-PCs, notebooks, and KI workstations.
The Nvidia N1X, featuring 20 ARM cores (10 Cortex-X925 and 10 Cortex-A725) and a Blackwell GPU, delivers a PetaFLOP of AI performance and supports up to 128 GiB of LPDDR5x system memory.
These processors are expected to launch in devices running Windows 11 on ARM and Linux later in 2025, though a traditional desktop form factor is considered unlikely.

https://www.nvidia.com/de-de/products/workstations/dgx-spark/

I guess?

not sure if tims referring to these

[frosty gale]

visiting nvidia page for my country ❌
translating the nvidia page ✅

[clever tundra]

since hosting is a big topic here:

• i currently host my bot and dashboard on a raspberry pi.
  downside: therefore if anyone is mildly tech literate they can find my IP
  upside: the location for IP isnt that exact and ive shared general location in other servers so its not a big deal

**question: **is there a way to host the dashboard in a way on eg. oracle cloud free that doesnt show my ip?
all of it routes back to a py file integrating via ipc smth into my main bot
i have no clue how it works but it does, sooo if you have questions feel free?

[spark flint]

upside: they can see that you used a based ISP

[neon leaf]

you could use cloudflare tunnels

[spark flint]

^

or route through cloudflare with ddns

and make it so that the webserver can only be accessed through cf ips

[neon leaf]

benefit of cf tunnels: you dont even need to port forward

[clever tundra]

ill look into that, thank you

[clever tundra]

define based

[spark flint]

Zen are cool

[clever tundra]

oh yeah

i get pretty good speeds

the fact then therefore you can see that is the issue i want to prevent

[spark flint]

yup

took 2 seconds

[clever tundra]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/18544698399.png

[spark flint]

gg

https://www.speedtest.net/result/18544701069.png

[neon leaf]

i will keep dreaming of fiber

[clever tundra]

downside is the plan is up to, not guaranteed

[clever tundra]

planning to get some ubiquiti gear towards the new year psobs

[clever tundra]

smh

[quartz kindle]

ye these

[clever tundra]

do i want to publish an application to the Internet or connect a private network?

assuming the latter?

alright im at https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/networks/connectors/cloudflare-tunnel/private-net/cloudflared/connect-cidr/#2-set-up-the-client fun times

ts too complicated

tomorrow

[atomic pewter]

Living in this hell while u guys get arnd 1gb

[warm surge]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/6823538194

[patent bramble]

Ha, what a nerd. Snowflakes falling. I laughed tho lmao

[swift barn]

haha i had a smirk on my face when i saw it too

[frosty gale]

bruh

[quartz kindle]

get one of these next year xDDD

[quartz kindle]

looking good

[queen needle]

const id = String(lowerRange + i);
    if (id.length % 2 === 0) {
      const mid = id.length / 2;
      const left = id.slice(0, mid);
      const right = id.slice(mid);
      if (left === right) {
        totalWrongIds += parseInt(id);
        continue;
      }
    }``` this is part of my solution for advent of code today, it works no issues, but looking at it is just kind of looks ugly and I was wondering if anyone knows of a better way to do this

[lyric mountain]

what is it supposed to do?

[stark kestrel]

I just did

ranges
        .into_iter()
        .flat_map(|(start, end)| start..=end)
        .filter(|&n| {
            let s = n.to_string();
            let (l, r) = s.split_at(s.len() / 2);
            l == r
        })
        .map(|n| n as usize)
        .sum()

[queen needle]

basically you're given like
"99-111" and that's a range so 99, 100, 101 etc you have to check if any number is just made up of a repeat, so like 99 is just 9 and 9 or 1111 is 11 and 11 or 12341234 is 1234 and 1234 etc, so i turn the number into a string, if it's even, get the middle number, slice by it, and check if the left is equal to the right

This was the explanation I gave someone else

[stark kestrel]

the part 2 was interesting, did a small google search and magic

[queen needle]

 const doubled = id + id;
 const substring = doubled.slice(1, -1);
 if (substring.includes(id)) {
    totalWrongIds += parseInt(id);
    continue;
}```

Part 2 was easy

[stark kestrel]

yeah

.filter(|&n| {
            let s = n.to_string();
            let ss = format!("{0}{0}", s);
            ss[1..ss.len() - 1].contains(&s)
        })

[queen needle]

I was wondering if there was something like that in javascript specifcally let (l, r) = s.split_at(s.len() / 2) instead of having mid, left, right, and then the comparison

[stark kestrel]

You probably gotta make a small helper library

Funnily I edited mine before AoC and added ranges parsing

[lyric mountain]

const id = lowerRange + 1;
if (String(id).match(/(.+)\1/g)) {
  totalWrongIds += id;
}

[stark kestrel]

Now today I see ranges, banger

[queen needle]

I thought about regex, I know I saw people in the reddit having solutions in JUST regex

[lyric mountain]

that is just regex lul

[stark kestrel]

not pure regex

people make solutions in crazy ways

sqlite my beloved

[stark kestrel]

So getting ranges was just

let ranges = aoc_rs::regex::ranges(&aoc_rs::input::read_file_first_line(
  aoc_rs::input::get_path(2, test),
));

[lyric mountain]

I mean, idk if I can remove that if

[queen needle]

console.log(
  (await Bun.file("input.txt").text() as string)
    .split(",")
    .map(i => i.split("-"))
    .reduce((acc, [start, end]) => {
      for (let i = +start; i <= +end; i++)
        acc += +((/^(\d+)\1+$/.test("" + i)) && i)
      return acc
    }, 0)
)``` i just stumpled upon this

[lyric mountain]

ah it's reading from a file?

[queen needle]

makes sense, I just don't have a helper library

[queen needle]

yeah, it looks like: 11-99,200-2020,5948-2349832 etc

import * as fs from "fs";

type Line = `${number}-${number}`;

const inputFile = "input.txt";

const fileContent = fs.readFileSync(inputFile, "utf-8");
const lines = fileContent.trim().split(",") as Line[];

let totalWrongIds = 0;
for (const line of lines) {
  const [lowerRange, upperRange] = line.split("-").map(Number) as [
    number,
    number
  ];
  for (let i = 0; i <= upperRange - lowerRange; i++) {
    const id = String(lowerRange + i);
    if (id.length % 2 === 0) {
      const mid = id.length / 2;
      const left = id.slice(0, mid);
      const right = id.slice(mid);
      if (left === right) {
        totalWrongIds += parseInt(id);
        continue;
      }
    }
  }
}

console.log(totalWrongIds);

my full solutoin

[frosty gale]

this is making me want to buy an arm chip and motherboard also

[neon leaf]

if you have money to throw, go ahead

[frosty gale]

although i havent done anything with my raspberry pi pico yet though so i should start with that
it supports both arm and riscv which is awesome

obviously not desktop level capability though