development

[frozen maple]

@solemn latch Good evening brother, please check your private messages, it's very important.

[prime cliff]

Important says the annoying blank name

[verbal basin]

How I can setup vote log

[deft wolf]

Create a webhook, enter a link to it in the bot settings on top.gg and listen for a request from top.gg when someone votes

https://docs.top.gg/docs/Resources/webhooks

[hot gull]

lol I meant it's not a sentence.

btw @unreal mist I have succesfuly got host and database

And I can earn my renewal credit less than a hour.

like I got price of database/backup and cpu

[unreal mist]

Nice

[hot gull]

thanks

I think mods Reviewers will hate me

[deft wolf]

Bold assumption

[unreal mist]

Presuming you follow their guidelines, you should be good

[hot gull]

yes,but.

Have you saw my help command?

[unreal mist]

No

[lyric mountain]

lemme guess, it's a multipurpose bot and the help has over a hundred commands

been there, done that

[queen needle]

Lmao

[hot gull]

🛡️ Vireon Security Bot Commands
Advanced server protection and administration system
🔧 Basic Commands
!ping - Check bot latency and status
!info - Bot information and statistics
!settings - View server security settings
!set-log-channel #channel / !setlog #channel - Set logging channel
!logging-status - View logging configuration
📝 Message Logging
!set-log-channel - Set channel for all logs
!toggle-message-logs - Track edited/deleted messages
!toggle-member-logs - Track joins/leaves
!logging-status - View logging configuration
👮 Moderation Commands
!kick @user [reason] - Kick a user
!ban @user [reason] - Ban a user
!unban <user_id> [reason] - Unban a user
!mute @user [minutes] [reason] - Mute a user
!unmute @user [reason] - Unmute a user
!warn @user [reason] - Warn a user
!view-warnings [@user] - View warnings for user or server
!delete-warning <id> - Remove a warning by ID
!clear [amount] [#channel] - Delete messages (no amount = all messages)
💾 Backup System
!backup-server - Create complete server backup
!list-backups - View all available backups
!restore-backup <id> - Restore a backup by ID
✅ Verification System
!setup-verification - Setup user verification
!verify - Start verification process
!verification-stats - View verification stats
!reactivate-verification - Reactivate verification after restart
🛡️ Security & Protection
!help security - Security and lockdown commands
!help anti-spam - Anti-spam and mass join protection
All commands require admin permissions | Use !help <category> for detailed help

lol

thats why

[unreal mist]

thatll get rejected-

no commands should require admin privs, its one of the things they can/do reject, so stating they all require admin when technically none do is a big no :P. some should require manage guild perms, some should require others depending on their use but not admin

[delicate zephyr]

If any command requires/requests the Administrator permissions being given to the bot itself it will be declined

If the user requires the Administrator permission to run said commands. That is fine

[dusk pebble]

isn't the [clear] command considered api abuse?

[prime cliff]

Yea deleting all messages might be api abuse xD and also cause ratelimits

[craggy pine]

I'm impressed prefix commands are still being made at this point. If it supports both slash and prefix great, but don't you need slash to get verified or am I miss remembering.

[quartz kindle]

delete and recreate channel :^)

[pearl trail]

what if the channel have 1000000 messages and user want to delete 999999 messages only

[quartz kindle]

get message #1, delete, create, repost message #1

:^)

[pearl trail]

LMAO

[drifting igloo]

Hi, does any admin have the Shine Bot owner's discord? https://top.gg/bot/622556752558161932/vote

[prime cliff]

Nope but you do need specific approval for message content.

[pearl trail]

yeah, but you can't use prefixed command as the reason for message content request

[clever tundra]

The support server or the owners account

[feral aspen]

https://cdn.hamoodihajjiri.com/drydvcYpZa

Is AI Studio down or despite token count not max I'm getting errors?

[prime cliff]

Yea usually internal error means its down

[pearl trail]

glassy lmao

[hot gull]

edited-that

[hot gull]

May I ask, What programming language have you used?

[hot gull]

yep

[feral aspen]

looks sick, nicely done 👏

[pearl trail]

thank you ❤️

[pearl trail]

"html", using astro

[hot gull]

Thanks nice derek.

Additionally, I suggest encrypting code, as login information may be visible unless encrypted or stored in a database.

[stark kestrel]

A password must be hashed, not encrypted

For the rest, unless it's sensitive, it doesn't matter

[neon leaf]

hash password on client so the raw password never even gets sent over the wire 🧠

[stark kestrel]

pointless

[neon leaf]

not really, if the browser supports it, theres no reason not to do it

[stark kestrel]

why would that even be needed

[pearl trail]

lmfao

[stark kestrel]

also that would imply you give the salt with the request in some way as well

[pearl trail]

what if user send raw password through api directly

[neon leaf]

a regular unsalted hash is fine for the browser side

[stark kestrel]

and before sending the hashed password for login, you get the salt from the backend

[neon leaf]

you wouldnt send the hash as text

a 32 byte json array of numbers

[pearl trail]

[stark kestrel]

and you're gonna recomend md5 i suppose

[neon leaf]

md5 isnt 32 bytes sir

you do know im implying another hash iteration on the backend yes?

[stark kestrel]

produces a 32 bytes hex string, yes

[neon leaf]

im not talking about a string

[stark kestrel]

yeah then that confirms my initial message: pointless

if you don't trust sending a raw password over tls, as it's done, better not use the internet at all

[neon leaf]

its not about tls

its about what the server is recieving

they have the raw password

[stark kestrel]

it's always unencrypted

[pearl trail]

i assume you hash it first on web and convert it to bytes, but then there's always a way to reverse engineer the hashing and converting to byte on web, and "someone" can just convert a string to bytes, bypassing hashing..?

[neon leaf]

that would be their problem at the end of the day

[stark kestrel]

you're just giving away your hashing algo in the client

the client and backend are made by the same dev

[pearl trail]

how would the server handle that? like just accept it or check again if it's actually a hash?

[stark kestrel]

the dev knows the algo, considering there's no salt - rainbow tables here i come

[neon leaf]

it doesnt have to check

it only checks if its a 32 byte array

[stark kestrel]

also double hashing poses security risks

[neon leaf]

its perfectly fine if you use different algorithms

bitwarden does this btw

they encrypt and hash on the client

then send to server

for login and storing passwords

its literally just more secure for the end user, knowing that the server never knows their password

[pearl trail]

interesting, so the server just do hash the hash from client?

[neon leaf]

for example, yes

but at the end of the day the point is that the client never sends the real password

its not widely used because it requires modern browsers and many people have stopped using the same password for all sites (because of password managers like bitwarden)

[pearl trail]

i'd guess this is a hash too¿ (google login)

[neon leaf]

could be

wouldnt be the end of the world to use a hash when supported, and raw password if not

[pearl trail]

yeah right xD i still see most of websites still send raw password yeah, so i thought it's already perfectly fine

[stark kestrel]

doubt

[pearl trail]

yo lmao

damn

ohh right, it's at the first

i always wanted to make my requests to server confusing like that, but i'm so dumb that i get confused too

[hot gull]

oh yes that would also work

I meant if its not popular website

@pearl trailShould I add an appeal in my banning system?

[stark kestrel]

would also work
that's how it does

[hot gull]

yes I know.

But sometimes when I get bored, I make local html.

like not uploading it and encrypting code for fun.

[stark kestrel]

"encrypting" html is useless

[hot gull]

But that's because it's local if it's like on public, he should hash. Decoding HTML is easy.

[hot gull]

Yes.

[stark kestrel]

you don't seem to get it

[hot gull]

I get it

[stark kestrel]

you mix hashing, encryption and encoding....

you use them in the same contexts where they cannot

[pearl trail]

xD popularity can't be one of the factor, it's the devs that pick the pill. big company like discord still does raw requests, amazon too

[hot gull]

I thought its like not on public

[hot gull]

nope I meant public sorry

@stark kestrelI understand thanks

[hot gull]

BRUH

discord is on $1 budget

[stark kestrel]

honestly discord is the worst example

[hot gull]

lol

[stark kestrel]

it wasn't until recently that they secured the tokens in local storage in some way

[hot gull]

yes tokens were problem.

even you can reset password.

but it was problem.

[neon leaf]

i think this can stand without any further comment

[hot gull]

wdym?

[neon leaf]

nothing

[hot gull]

ok??

[hot gull]

damn can reviewers check my bot faster??

I cant wait

😭

[knotty night]

Gotta wait man unfortunately

We are working on ways to speed up the progress

[hot gull]

thanks bud

[hot gull]

my soul agree.

[deft wolf]

You need to listen to these messages using your bot, save the message creation timestamp + 12h in the database and send the message when the current timestamp is greater than the saved one

[hot gull]

Yes.

[dusk pebble]

is it possible to host images my bot will need on the machine the bot runs on or do I need to host the images online?

[stark kestrel]

you can make your bot send them

[dusk pebble]

right, my question is , can I store the images on the local machine or do they need to be hosted online somewhere?

I am making a fantasy game and there will be potentially 2000 or more images and icons

[balmy turtle]

Why i get Unauthorized
Even tho the token is correct?

[dusk pebble]

is this on startup?

[deft wolf]

It depends on how you plan to use them. Your bot might send them directly from your hard drive as an attachment, or it might just send a link to a photo that's available to everyone

[dusk pebble]

I will mainly use them in embeds as thumbnails

[deft wolf]

In that case, it's up to you I guess (I think you can use attachments as links in thumbnail field). Sending the attachment will probably take longer than the link itself. If it's the same image over and over, sending it via URL makes sense

[dusk pebble]

yeah, I will need to buy hosting for the images I guess

thanks

[deft wolf]

You can make your own "image hosting" on the same machine you are hosting your bot (assuming you are using a VPS)

[dusk pebble]

nah, I host my bot on a raspberri pi

[clever tundra]

I don't see why you can't host the images locally

[dusk pebble]

my research leads me to believe discord doesnt support local paths for images

[deft wolf]

You can upload a photo as an attachment and refer to it in the field where you would normally put a link

But there is also discord upload limit so it's not ideal

[dusk pebble]

ok, I may try this approach

[deft wolf]

Example from docs

[dusk pebble]

my bot uses V2 components , which there are no Field

[deft wolf]

Then you are not using embeds

[dusk pebble]

I call embed but it is actually called container in V2

[deft wolf]

It's gonna work the same way I guess

[dusk pebble]

nice

thank you

[balmy turtle]

no i am trying to use the api

[dusk pebble]

how are you calling the api?

[balmy turtle]

  curl --request POST \
  --url https://top.gg/api/bots/916775039263715349/stats \
  --header 'Authorization: eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIs~~~~~' \
  --header 'Content-Type: application/json' \
  --data '{
  "server_count": 164444
}'

[neon leaf]

these diff sizes are getting out of hand https://github.com/pterodactyl-rs/panel/commit/03acb8923823a70bc9986e9858379d9f6f7f189d

[dusk pebble]

is the token your top.gg token or the bot token?

[pearl trail]

just use imgur

[dusk pebble]

I use imgur but this bot I am in the process of making will have 2000 or more icons and images

[balmy turtle]

bot token

i think

how to find top.gg token

[pearl trail]

oh yeah if it's that many, then ig self hosting it is

or maybe try cloudflare r2?

[balmy turtle]

i used this one

[dusk pebble]

might get better help in #topgg-api

[hot gull]

💀 💀

[digital swan]

yeah 100%, some sort of object storage. cloudflare r2 or backblaze b2 will most likely be free assuming the pictures aren't huge

[pearl trail]

yeah, iirc r2 is free for 5 or 10gb i forgot

im also interested, is there a hidden fee or is it totally free

[neon leaf]

10gb free

and like 10mil reads + 1mil writes

(u will never reach 10mil reads due to caching)

[pearl trail]

oh that’s a really good deal

[neon leaf]

yes, and decently priced for big storage too

I pay ~22€/month for 1.2tb of data

havent found anything truly better yet

[acoustic bough]

https://r2-calculator.cloudflare.com/

[stark kestrel]

Wasabi has a decent pricing from what I remember

Something like $6 or $8 per TB per month

(zero egress fees)

[covert gale]

wasabi is good yeah

you could also self host s3 with garage

[pearl trail]

but it costs lower when not storing that much yes? their calculator site have minimum 100tb to calculate 💀

[stark kestrel]

?

[covert gale]

they have a base price iirc

[stark kestrel]

It's pay as you go with $7 per TB

[acoustic bough]

huh

[pearl trail]

ive seen that, i was just asking if i store like only 50gb ish, i wont pay that much right?

[pearl trail]

well i dont think ill store that much

[stark kestrel]

That's what pay as you go is, yes

[pearl trail]

alright than, thank you

[stark kestrel]

Actually no

[acoustic bough]

For customers using the Wasabi Pay as You Go pricing model, Wasabi has a minimum monthly charge associated with 1 TB of active storage

[stark kestrel]

That funny * says otherwise

[acoustic bough]

If you store less than 1 TB of active storage in your account, you will still be charged for 1 TB of storage based on the pricing associated with the storage region you are using.

[pearl trail]

i clicked this, guess that’s not the right one

https://wasabi.com/direct/tco-calculator

ah

[acoustic bough]

https://wasabi.com/pricing

[neon leaf]

https://v8.dev/blog/json-stringify

[shy adder]

you guys have webhook token for verification?

[delicate zephyr]

@solemn latch

[pearl trail]

ahhhhh yes application security engineer reveals their client’s env

man this threads is full of rage baits, engagement posts, sharing their child’s location

[prime cliff]

That's what environment variables are for lmao

[pearl trail]

ikr, was rethinking my career when i read that post for the first time

[sturdy shuttle]

how to use topgg api

[stark kestrel]

https://docs.top.gg

[delicate zephyr]

are you surprised

welcome to any app which rewards engagement with $$$

[cold thorn]

could i get some help figuring out how to get my vote connected to a discord command?

[sharp geyser]

Wait what is this

oh nvm

[clever tundra]

#topgg-api

[cold thorn]

thanks!

[sharp yew]

Okay I re-applied... Not having my bot in a Host is a living hell

[lyric mountain]

you're selfhosting it?

[craggy pine]

You maintaining a bot being self hosted will be more of a living hell once you get people using it. Get a host.

[wheat mesa]

self hosting isn’t bad as long as you’re not doing it on your daily driver computer. Raspberry pi selfhosting is quite easy to do and works nicely for small apps like a bot

[pearl trail]

and need to be in developed country to get lower latency to services

[ionic iris]

sa

[hot gull]

It's been a week and 1 day.

@sharp yewI can offer host

use sillydev

they have affordable free host.

and their way of earning coins is easy.

[deft wolf]

Free host 😔

[shy adder]

free cant be really free

[hot gull]

it is

[hot gull]

And?

you like pay by ads.

[deft wolf]

One user cannot realistically pay for the cost of such a server just by watching ads

[hot gull]

I do.

And, I am using rn.

and that website is popular.'

and effective.

[deft wolf]

Do they give you an non shared IP address?

Just checked, no they don't. You have to pay 40£ yearly to have dedicated IP which is very important for discord bot unless you want to be cloudflare banned

[strong shoal]

Wdym. You mean some type of ratelimit or something? Im using a free hosting and Cloudflare for hosting and right now there's no issues whatsoever

Yet, i kind of agree that free hosting is not one of the brightest ideas if you already have traffic. At my case i dont so i guess im fine for now

[hot gull]

me too.

@deft wolfnot bad for free hosting.

also you can add anti-ddos

like they are there.

[hot gull]

Also, you don't need to buy a host until your bot is famous or used alot.

So that's normal if you don't want to use anti-DDoS.

[quartz kindle]

why does tailwind randomly stop working wtf

and it randomly only affects very specific classes, like what

for example, max-w-[90vw] randomly disappeared, it doesnt show up in the rendered css
but if i change it to something else like w-[90vw] or max-w-screen it works, but as soon as i change it back, it disappears again

already restarted vscode, dev server, rebuilt, etc...

[prime cliff]

👀 making a second project from (Dev Space/CloudFrost) CloudFrost Portal will be a support based service with tickets, reports, QA base, articles and Discord tickets integration.
Right image is from Halo PSA which i'm taking inspiration from.

[deft wolf]

"Cloudflare ban" is a special rate limit that Discord imposes on an entire IP address when too many "bad requests" come from it. This ban can last several hours and is applied to the entire IP address, not to a single bot. This means that if you share an IP address with dozens of other bots that regularly send bad requests, they can cause cloudflare ban to the IP address you share and you can't do anything about it

https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/rate-limits#invalid-request-limit-aka-cloudflare-bans

[hot gull]

I dont worry about that

[deft wolf]

You don't worry that your bot won't be able to use the Discord API?

[pearl trail]

lmao

guess people will not care about that as long they can get it for free

don't care if at one time that happens to their bot because it is free

[deft wolf]

I would be very upset by how helpless you are in such a situation. If someone had warned me that something like this could happen, I would have thought twice but they know that many people would not have decided to choose their hosting

[hot gull]

Since I got protection.

Its not a problem. My bot will be able to use it.

[hot gull]

Actually maybe understand things better next time.

[deft wolf]

XD?

I know you are trolling but just keep in mind if you are gonna get banned here you wont be able to add your bot to top.gg

Friendly reminder

[pearl trail]

lol i think bro doesn't know what you're talking about. thinking cloudflare ban can be prevented using "anti-DDOS" 😂

[stark kestrel]

🗿 🗿 🗿

[stark kestrel]

me when people don't understand what they're talking about but tell others to be more informed

[shy adder]

what hosting provider u reccomend?
-# asking for a friend ofcours 😄

[deft wolf]

None, choose the one that suits you

[shy adder]

lol okay

[pearl trail]

for cheap ones, you can try hetzner

[strong shoal]

I've tried some time a free bot hosting that got ratelimited each day always, and i agree that sucks

but right now im using a free hosting who doesn't has this problem so im fine right now

also, have some of you guys experience using webhooks with node.js without the topgg official module? Is it really needed? I mean, there's no problem for using it, but if i'm gonna just use it for that...

Seems to be more hard than it seems, at the request object i can't find any data related to topgg except the pass at headers

[deft wolf]

By that you mean how to make sure that the request comes from top.gg?

[strong shoal]

No, i mean i can't fetch and find the data object from top.gg, i can find the pass but i cant find the req.body, doesn't resolves anything

Now that i think i didnt tried the query lol

i'll check rq

[pearl trail]

how do you do it?

[strong shoal]

Body returns undefined and that is weird

since query at least provides an empty obj

[pearl trail]

you use express?

[shy adder]

thanks

[strong shoal]

Yup

[pearl trail]

do you have app.use(express.json()); ?

[strong shoal]

i think i can add the middle ware on that specific route

give me a sec

in general, i surely don't have it

[pearl trail]

yeah then you need that to parse application/json

[strong shoal]

alr i changed the type to application/json with express.raw, let's see

oh i didnt define express lmao (at this module)

ok it resolves

it's a buffer tho, weird

Ok perfect now it resolves tysm

now i need to fix the retry thing, res.status is not enough
-# Done...

[shell echo]

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HELP COMMANDS -

!sm

Rate is the number of messages you can post in each time frame. Per is the timeframe. If you only supply one value, it sets that value as the per. (1/x)

!am

Shows the server's current automod settings

!ls

If used without arguments, it shows the current settings. Otherwise it's used to set up the actual ratelimiting part of linkspam

!invspam

Shows Invitespam settings for this server

!cnsr

Adds one or more words to be censored, use "double quotes" to block things with spaces

!deletefiles

Deletes all files posted that are not one of the following formats: png, jpg, jpeg, webm, mp4, gif, bmp, pdf, txt, tif, svg, webp, mp3, flac, wav, mov, ogg

[hot gull]

umm

[hot gull]

so

worked?

@strong shoalshowing cf-connection ip isnt good idea

[hot gull]

I actually enjoy watching #mod-logs

[warped glacier]

So i got pissed off with the roblox case vs shlep. So i made a tool on it. Tell me how sucky this gui is. (Some is sesored out so it stays SFW and clean) all tabs work im just sending the one tho since its all the same design

[hot gull]

so

I might rate 7/10

But, I appreciate that behavior.

@warped glacier@warped glacier

[warped glacier]

y 2 ping

[hot gull]

sorry

[warped glacier]

i honestly hate the design but suck at css and not good at assest making. So im debating having gpt add some designs to it

[hot gull]

my mouse lagged

I apologize

[warped glacier]

All g. I dont mindthe ping just wondered why 2

[hot gull]

oh.

Its actually good.

[warped glacier]

I do need to reorder that forum a little.

[hot gull]

maybe adding upload photos/videos

[hot gull]

Yes, but not a lot.

[warped glacier]

I might. Im trying to not make a massive storage drive since im paying out of pocket for the server.

[hot gull]

dang it

Cloudflare offers free service.

[warped glacier]

I do have 10gb. But i run a SQL DB with a ton of data in it I could upgrade to 100gb

[hot gull]

I can get you database

[warped glacier]

As much as CF is good. its always a pain to set up

[hot gull]

but idk if sillydev is good host

[warped glacier]

The host is technically free. Im paying bc i needed static storage

[hot gull]

If you want the database, tell me

[warped glacier]

So im really just paying for storage

[hot gull]

oh.

thats good.

[warped glacier]

And $7/mo for 10gb is not that bad honestly

And i could go up to 1000gb

[hot gull]

yes thats good point.

[hot gull]

yes

[hot gull]

1TB!

[warped glacier]

y

They just dont have the TB under text

[hot gull]

Try hiding api

[warped glacier]

Users cant see the api. Thats for me

[hot gull]

and what is scan text for?

oh.

k

[warped glacier]

Auto scan chatlogs to see if its || pred || activities

This is what users see honestly

[hot gull]

wow

thats good

[warped glacier]

All those other tabs are really for me and my team to take and report

[hot gull]

can I join the team?

my sis got 21yr german predator

and she was 8

[warped glacier]

Dm me we will talk

[hot gull]

O K

[deft wolf]

This is... quite an interesting arrangement of text boxes

[strong shoal]

It was on an external hosting, why is it not specifically tho?

[pearl trail]

cf connection ip is your ip

[strong shoal]

But if it was on a server

is there any problem?

[pearl trail]

not really, i didn't really see detailed values of headers you sent. but in your case, the CF-Connecting-IP must be topgg's IP, and since it's intended to be public, then it's 100% no problem

the value of CF-Connecting-IP is the requester's IP. if you send request to the endpoint through your home network, it'll be your ip

[strong shoal]

yeah... that's what docs said, i deleted the message as fast as possible tho just in case

[pearl trail]

xD

[strong shoal]

i mean if they talk about "IP" and "not a good idea" i turn on all the alerts 😭

mkay, thanks

[pearl trail]

hi, do you guys who use cloudflare R2, uses aws' s3 sdk?

ok seems like it

[strong shoal]

XD

[stark kestrel]

It's compatible iirc yeah

most of the providers (try to) make it compatible

[pearl trail]

ahh i see, thank you!!

[acoustic bough]

the point is for R2 to be S3 compatible — I don't even know if R2 has their own libraries

I personally use bun.s3 for r2

[pearl trail]

ah, yeah i thought r2 have their own library like minio-go

[pearl trail]

so by “s3 compatible” storages, i assume theoretically we can use aws’ s3 sdk right?

just some functionality wont work

[hot gull]

exactly

Dont worry I didnt look at the ip

[pearl trail]

well in his case, the ip is topgg’s ip

[hot gull]

yep.

then top.gg will sue him.

Time to DDoS top.gg (jk)

[delicate zephyr]

top.gg publicly displays that IP in their docs btw

because its the webhook out IP address

for vote webhooks, it's nothing special

[hot gull]

yep. It was just a joke.

I found that when I say top.gg

I discovere a new bug in my dis

[quartz kindle]

kids out there still believe you can hack someone with only their ip address :^)

[hot gull]

You did not ask if I know further information.

I did not mention that you can "DDoS" not hacking with IP.

You also don't know my age, and telling that I'm a kid and reading without attention, even if I am a kid, at least I can read and understand what people type.

[quartz kindle]

lmao i was not even talking to you nor about you

i was responding to people knowing topgg's ip address and CF showing your ip address and etc

[hot gull]

oh

my bad

[acoustic bough]

R2 recommends to use the S3 SDK — you only have to put in the url and use auto region

[pearl trail]

oke, i just copy my s3 codes for my r2

[fresh marlin]

Hello everyone,

I made a Discord bot (Node.js + Discord.js) that I maintained from 2017 to 2021, and then I abandoned it when I lost interest in the platform.

I'm considering resuming its development, and I would like to know, in general terms, how much the situation has changed over these years.

I've heard that Discord has implemented many restrictions on bots since then. Is it still worth developing Discord bots in 2025?

[stark kestrel]

Not much restrictions, just intents if that's what you're talking about

How much the situation has changed in over these years

Not much, few new features and that's about it. The biggest is probably components v2

Discord still doesn't listen that much to the community and focus more on those SKUs and the social/app SDK

[deft wolf]

Slash commands were added in what year? 2022?

[stark kestrel]

Wasn't that 2020/2021?

[deft wolf]

Yea, just checked on ddevs. It was late 2020

[stark kestrel]

March 24 2021

[deft wolf]

4 years already 😔

[stark kestrel]

and still missing a date option type

[deft wolf]

Smh, I always consider slash commands to be a relatively new thing because of how many people I see still using prefix commands

[stark kestrel]

definitely

the only big use i've see of them are for user installed apps to spam, advertise or scam in other servers

[prime cliff]

Oh boy you're gonna have a reeeeal fun time /s

[fresh marlin]

I know about slash commands, although I never implemented them on my bot since that was toward the end of its development, when I didn't have much interest anymore. I was going to ask if they are the standard these days, although from this conversation I gather that they never became too popular.

[stark kestrel]

They never became popular indeed, the problem is that Discord gives the message content intent only for valid use cases, using prefix commands is not one

So you essentially can't read the content of messages unless you have it (after verification)

Their way of trying to make it more popular and used 🤷‍♂️

[prime cliff]

We also have components embeds v2 gives more layout and component options for embedding stuff

[fresh marlin]

Hahahaha, so they essentially need to screw the alternative to leave you with no other option. Sounds like the Discord I knew.

How do prefix command bots keep working if they don't have access to the message content?

[fresh marlin]

Oh, that actually sounds interesting.

[prime cliff]

How do prefix command bots keep working if they don't have access to the message content?

They dont you either get lucky with message content features or you're forced to use slash commands essentially 🙂

[fresh marlin]

I see. And besides the intents, is there any other restriction or complication I should be wary of?

[quartz kindle]

you can still use message-based commands in two situations: if your bot is mentioned in the message (or replied to), and in DMs with your bot

in those cases, the message content is always present regardless of intent

[quartz kindle]

stay away from discord.js :^)

[fresh marlin]

Hahahahaha, why?

[fresh marlin]

What about automoderation bots that detect and filter messages? How is that done now?

[quartz kindle]

some still exist since they were already established, but for newcomers its hard because its a feature that competes with discord's own moderation features so they dont like supporting it

so they are not likely to approve the intent for such use case

[quartz kindle]

mostly joking but if you can its much preferable to work with the discord api directly

[fresh marlin]

Now that's a problem, because my bot was mainly a moderation bot with a message filtering and logging system, so I guess it has been gutted.

[lyric mountain]

I.cache dont know.cache what tim.cache is talking.cache about.cache

[lyric mountain]

you can still attempt to get permission to use message intent

like, you just need a valid reason, in your case it'd be server content moderation

[fresh marlin]

Oh, yeah, that was indeed an issue, hahahaha.

[fresh marlin]

Got it.

[lyric mountain]

that said, they'll be extra wary about how you handle those messages

since content moderation usually involves saving them to a database, which involves dealing with gpr regulations since they're considered sensitive

[fresh marlin]

Well, my bot never saved messages into a database. It only compared messages against lists of keywords and performed actions in case of a match. The logs were output to Discord channels of the moderators' choice. I don't think I should have problems in that scenario, should I?

[stark kestrel]

You just won't get the intent for that

[deft wolf]

Probably because it is already implemented in the built-in automod?

[fresh marlin]

Hahahaha, yeah, I can imagine that this would be the most likely outcome.

[fresh marlin]

My bot's automoderation features were far more powerful and flexible than Discord's automoderation back in the day. I would have to see how much the latter has improved, but I imagine there are still valid reasons to use a bot for that rather than the built-in feature.

[stark kestrel]

that definitely

it's just discord see it as a sort of competitor, so you'll get a no from them

[fresh marlin]

I do see that as a possibility, so what I gather is that I must add support for slash commands and make the features that require message content intent optional in case the permission is not granted.

I intend to open-source my bot and make it self-hostable, so even if I get the permission, other users might not.

[neon leaf]

well, you dont need discords permission for the intent under 100 servers

so most self-host users would prob be fine

[fresh marlin]

Ohh, so that's still a thing. That's marvelous then.

[pearl trail]

altho now you can request intents before reaching 75 servers

[arctic kernel]

I could not

a month or two ago

I think that intent would get approved. I know a lot of bots that use similar functionality already

[deft wolf]

You can verify without server limit but you still need 75 servers for intents request afaik

[pearl trail]

oh, sorry i got it mixed up

[prime cliff]

Oh hu that's interesting one of my bots has been automatically verified when i've past 75 servers it never used to do that

[frosty gale]

soon we'll have tiered caches

client.channels.cache.cache_for_cache_1.second_cache.third_but_better_cache.the_final_cache.get

[hot gull]

So, Mr reviewers.

My bot is almost 2 weeks and not reviewed

😭

[prime cliff]

Oh bot logs is now hidden 🙃

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[prime cliff]

Sounds like a good name that Discord/electron would use
webpackChunkdiscord_app.push([["wp_isdev_patch"]

[zealous lodge]

Hi

[hot gull]

<@&817055174613794826>

[sharp saddle]

navigator.connection does not exists on Typescript navigator type?

[pearl trail]

the typings?

[pearl trail]

faster 🔥

wow go 1.25 really brings a lot new features

[shrewd pulsar]

Is there any information on when webhooks will become available for servers?

[deft wolf]

Top.gg doesn't usually provide ETAs for bug fixes or new features, but maybe you'll learn something from this thread
#1394807083831918603

[shrewd pulsar]

Thank you :) Sadly no ETA indeed but looks like it is planned at least

[radiant kraken]

oooo interesting, thankies!

[eternal osprey]

hey everyone

is it my internet or is the discord api struggling?

[stark kestrel]

your internet
https://discordstatus.com/

[prime cliff]

Worst branding change ever lmao they butchered the website, font, design, looks and my EYES ARE BLEEDING

[stark kestrel]

effortless container management, but now the effort is at navigating and looking at that website

[prime cliff]

Oh dont worry they are butchering the portainer manager too

They replaced all the blue buttons with white, the sidebar is now greyscaled, annoying white banner notifications, purple pixels

[stark kestrel]

lmao

honestly never used it because no use

[prime cliff]

Annoyingly blinding light blue tags

[pearl trail]

they also changed this lol, previously, my long branding works (there's no flex), now it's like this (flexed)

[neon leaf]

🪦

[pearl trail]

wao interesting, didn't know sentry can be self hosted

does sentry really take that much ram?

[neon leaf]

yes

16gb average

[pearl trail]

💀

[neon leaf]

storage usage is mainly because I trace 100% of transactions

(which is 1mil per day)

[pearl trail]

holy moly

i only got 6gb ram spare left 😔

[neon leaf]

I got 512gb left but on a dsl internet connection 🔥

[pearl trail]

so homelab server?

[neon leaf]

ye

[pearl trail]

i see i see

[neon leaf]

it is held together by literal tape

if I remove this, 64gb of ram go missing

[pearl trail]

they're loose?

[neon leaf]

theres a motherboard standoff under there

and if it touches the mobo

it shorts out the dimm slot

[pearl trail]

💀 sounds dangerous

[neon leaf]

which causes the ram to not be detected

[pearl trail]

how much average power does it consume?

[neon leaf]

i think like 100w usually

entire rack is like 220W

[pearl trail]

interesting, thank you

[neon leaf]

definitely wouldnt recommend this setup for normal homelabs though

insanely bad idle power usage

my old i3 4th gen was 3w idle

[pearl trail]

probably gonna use dell pc for a server xD that surely won't consume that much

[neon leaf]

yea, just turn on energy saving or whatever in bios

[pearl trail]

[neon leaf]

and make sure you have dust filters if you put it near the floor 🙏

otherwise u get this

[prime cliff]

You can use this which is a much more ram friendly 🙂
https://glitchtip.com/

[hot pond]

Hi;D

[deft wolf]

Sus

[prime cliff]

👀

[hot gull]

Can someone make for me python code which allows my brain to eat my wooden table.

👉 👈

[prime cliff]

For comparison

[pearl trail]

ooohhhh thank you for the reference, might try it

[shy adder]

looks sick

[unreal mist]

I agree, it looks awesome!

[quartz kindle]

now thats a creative project idea

[hot gull]

Lol

[kind hollow]

a

[open dagger]

B

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle @pearl trail roblox has in beta stylesheets, its like CSS but for roblox

Will make making UI so much easier

🙏

Going to utilize it for my ui library

[queen needle]

Oh that's awesome

[wheat mesa]

Surely reinventing CSS isn't going to be problematic at all

[sharp geyser]

Well its not really reinventing as their needs differ than the web

[wheat mesa]

I already hate normal CSS, can't imagine touching a vendor specific version of it

[queen needle]

Why do you hate css

[wheat mesa]

there's 10 thousand ways to do something, and none of them feel "correct"

[sharp geyser]

https://rsml.style like I said its like css but not exact as their needs differ

syntax similar

functionality not exactly 1:1

[wheat mesa]

not to mention sometimes CSS styles just... visibly don't do anything, because you've not used them in the correct context for them to do something

[wheat mesa]

yeah looks pretty much like CSS

just a different flavor

[queen needle]

Looks like C# and SCSS had a child

[wheat mesa]

man I'm prepping for an OA for this company and I'm nervous af, my java skills are a bit rusty

[sharp geyser]

ahaha

It has macro support to

which is neat

[queen needle]

Gotta get practicing

[wheat mesa]

yeeeeep

I'd have to move for it but it wouldd be crazy to pass up on if I actually got an offer

[sharp geyser]

Hey gotta do waht you gotta do

Have you talked to the wife about it, thats always important

[wheat mesa]

Yeah talked to her about it, we'd be doing the long distance thing for a couple years

[sharp geyser]

If she's supportive of it, no reason not to do it

[wheat mesa]

I'd be about 3.5 hours away in austin instead of dallas, so not too bad for like coming up for a weekend a few times a month

[sharp geyser]

Oh yeah no that's lightwork

I thought you were talkin different state type of distance

[wheat mesa]

Nah

I mean austin is basically a state away, but yeah wouldn't be crazy

Drivable

[sharp geyser]

yeah

[wheat mesa]

but hopefully I get past this round

surprised I made it through the automated screening

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken see I hate rust errors in the IDE sometimes

I thought this was talking about the return type of the match statement

but no its talking about the main function

adding -> Result<(), Box<dyn std::error::Error>> fixed it

Thankfully it had the change return type thing there

otherwise I never would of known

@solemn latch

[solemn latch]

ty

[sharp geyser]

Can you not run npm with rust?

let status = Cmd::new("npm").args(["init", "roblox-ts", "game"]).status()?;
            if !status.success() {
                anyhow::bail!("NPM exited with status code: {}", status);
            }

Error: program not found
error: process didn't exit successfully: `target\debug\lumina-cli.exe init` (exit code: 1)

[neon leaf]

depends on where its located

run whereis npm

[sharp geyser]

im on windows

whereis isn't a thing

[neon leaf]

mhm

then skill issue

[sharp geyser]

💀

[neon leaf]

it may not be in your global system PATH

[sharp geyser]

It def is

[neon leaf]

hmm

try absolute path then

[sharp geyser]

Even absolute path says it cant be found

[neon leaf]

how are you running the rust app

[sharp geyser]

cargo run -- init

[neon leaf]

where is Cmd from

[sharp geyser]

std::process::Command as Cmd

since im using clap I had to specify an alias

[neon leaf]

what absolute path did you use

[sharp geyser]

C:\\Program Files\\nodejs\\npm.exe

[neon leaf]

hmm

[sharp geyser]

Oh wait it didn't save, but it still gives an error

[sharp geyser]

Using this
Error: The system cannot find the file specified. (os error 2)

Oh interesting

it needs to be .cmd and it works

but that's annoying

What if they aren't using the tool on windows or they have npm installed somewhere else

[neon leaf]

did u not test if the path actually exists

[sharp geyser]

Well it existed but I couldn't see the extension

[neon leaf]

who doesnt have it enabled smh

[sharp geyser]

the file icon looked like a .exe icon

Anyway I have to solve this because they could

A. not have npm installed in the default location
B. not be using windows

[neon leaf]

yea the issue is simple to solve now

the default resolver doesnt do .cmd

if you want to have fun you can write your own PATH resolver

then it works cross platform

std::env::var("PATH")

[sharp geyser]

I hate lifetimes

One of the reasons I stopped using rust

I figured I could just use 'static but I guess not

53 |             step_interactive(&main_pb, format!("{} {}Initializing roblox-ts...", style("[1/4]").bold().dim(), CLIP).as_str(), || init_project())?;
   |                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^---------                     - temporary value is freed at the end of this statement
   |                                        |
   |                                        creates a temporary value which is freed while still in use
   |                                        argument requires that borrow lasts for `'static`

it's pointing to the format!() which is the second argument of step_interactive which is a &'static str

[neon leaf]

try moving the format outside of the statement

and mapping it a variable

[sharp geyser]

I already did

same thing

[neon leaf]

show the function

[sharp geyser]

temporary value is freed while still in use

fn step_interactive<F, T>(pb: &ProgressBar, label: &'static str, work: F) -> Result<T>
where
    F: FnOnce() -> Result<T>,
{
    pb.set_message(label);

    pb.suspend(|| work())
}

[neon leaf]

why not just &str

99% of cases rust can figure it out itself

[sharp geyser]

cause it can't figure it out apparently

that's why I used a lifetime

[neon leaf]

show set_message

[neon leaf]

ahhhh

that makes more sense

fn step_interactive<F, T>(pb: &ProgressBar, label: &str, work: F) -> Result<T>
where
    F: FnOnce() -> Result<T>,
{
    pb.set_message(label.to_string());

    pb.suspend(|| work())
}

[sharp geyser]

Question at that point is not better to just use String for label?

[neon leaf]

you could, yes

[sharp geyser]

https://pastes.dev/DbsB6jqSZ3ym rate my rust code for my starter cli tool

[sharp geyser]

I seem to be missing some important stuff for the nightly toolchain 💀

Fairly certain there is supposed to be a lib folder there

and a lot more

[radiant kraken]

where npm

[delicate zephyr]

which also works on ubuntu

[radiant kraken]

he's on windows

[delicate zephyr]

ah oki

[sharp geyser]

hello

[radiant kraken]

hai aaron!

[sharp geyser]

How are you

[radiant kraken]

just woke up hahahah

[sharp geyser]

Oh neat

[radiant kraken]

looks pretty good! great job on it aaron!

for formatting identifiers, you could just add them directly, like format!("{ERROR} {label} failed")

[sharp geyser]

Oh yeah, ahaha

I am honestly not too sure what ima do with this tool, right now it's basic but I am trying to figure out what all I need and how to do it

[radiant kraken]

your understanding of rust generics is commendable, so proud of you!

also you could've just return out directly here, instead of doing it manually in both match arms

[sharp geyser]

I could of returned out directly?

I yeah I guess I can

since the return type of the function is Result<T> I can just return the result and increment the progress bar

[sharp geyser]

Also these praises are too high

I barely understand what I wrote myself, I just know it works.

FnOnce is something new that I barely understand

My basic understanding is its a type of trait that is defined to be only called once and none thereafter, at least that's what I assume from the name

[queen needle]

you're so real

[sharp geyser]

😭

what do you mean

[queen needle]

meant this one

[sharp geyser]

lmfao

Now that I think about it

this tool is useless rn

the init command is not needed with how it's currently implemented

I should just make a template on github with my ui lib implemented in it and the init function will clone it into the directory

I wasted an hour basically

[radiant kraken]

don't ever hesitate to ask

[sharp geyser]

I am currently just cleaning the code up

splitting it up into modules

[radiant kraken]

nicee!!

you're on the right path

[sharp geyser]

Thanks!

[radiant kraken]

no worries

[sharp geyser]

Currently not sure what to do next

I kind of have to make a template to even test this

problem is the actual UI lib isn't even in a useable state aha

[radiant kraken]

😭

[pearl trail]

templating 🔥 🔥

[radiant kraken]

you're the best, takiyo!

[earnest phoenix]

According to you guys, what permission should a user (not bot) have to create a giveaway?

[deft wolf]

I think the server administration should decide this. For some it will be just the owner, for others it will be someone with admin permissions, and for others any "helper"

[earnest phoenix]

What about default permissions? For example, a bot like Giveaway Boat requires the user to have admin permissions or a giveaway role set in the server, while Falcon says the user needs the Manage Guild permission to create a giveaway. So isn’t Manage Guild the right permission for a user to have to create a giveaway?

[pearl trail]

i personally use manage guild on my bot

[deft wolf]

Just because one bot requires one permission doesn't mean yours has to work the same way. Of course, it can but then you wouldn't be asking this question. Just copy the other bot's permission and that's it

[earnest phoenix]

Same here, but the reviewer said why the user needs to have the Manage Guild permission to create a giveaway.

[earnest phoenix]

@deft wolf

[stark kestrel]

it depends what your feature does

[deft wolf]

Valid question tbh

[stark kestrel]

if it's just a giveaway feature where people react and your bot sends a message after some time with a randomly selected user amongst the reactions, your bot just needs the send message permission

[pearl trail]

it's the user's permission that was asked, not bot

[earnest phoenix]

Exactly

[stark kestrel]

well then the reviewer likely misread

[pearl trail]

^

[stark kestrel]

you can just DM them

[covert gale]

honestly manage guild to configure, and allowing the admins to select a role that the user should have would be the ideal way of doing it

[earnest phoenix]

Yup, I’m waiting for the reviewer’s response; I just messaged here to confirm

[covert gale]

that way servers who want to can have some sort of a giveaway role and such

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah exactly

[stark kestrel]

yeah just wait, should be all good

[stark kestrel]

(especially if the error message is ambiguous)

[charred nest]

they can open a ticket through #staff-tickets

@earnest phoenix ^

[neon leaf]

I get free actions? I use free actions

[sharp geyser]

You've used 86$ worth

pay up

[delicate zephyr]

where is this graph

[neon leaf]

personal: https://github.com/settings/billing/usage
org: i trust u will find it

[delicate zephyr]

lol

[neon leaf]

🙏🙏

if I remove the top left fan, the 10gbit main uplink dies
if I remove the middle fan, ipmi dies
If I remove the top right fan, the drives are slower than hdds

[quartz kindle]

what the feck

[real rose]

hey man

ill light a candle for that setup

bless

[quartz kindle]

based on the existing setup, i imagine lighting a candle would either blow a fuse or auto-install internet explorer

[earnest phoenix]

Can someone help me in Python? Is it possible to post Top.gg reviews directly to any channel?

[deft wolf]

No, because bot reviews are not part of the official API nor is there a webhook for that

At least for now, maybe something will change with the changes related to webhooks

[hot gull]

MY BOT GOT APPROVED

[strong shoal]

congrats

[hot gull]

Thanks.

❤️

@river flicker Tysm

[vivid fulcrum]

you can do it unofficially by scraping your bot's page, however you have two potential roadblocks:
a) cloudflare, which can still be kind of circumvented
b) ethicality. you'd have to consult yourself with top.gg's terms of service to see whether they disallow scraping of such data

[earnest phoenix]

Oh okay thanx

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle @pearl trail sorry if my pings are bothering you guys, just know previously you guys have said you wanted updates on what I do with my UI / roblox stuff.

Update to my UI library:

• I now make use of roblox's beta feature "StyleSheets", it is a way of generating styles for your UI allowing you to share those styles amongst different UI components instead of redefining them. I make use of a project called RSML that adds a css like syntax to this that then builds down into a "StyleSheet"
• My UI library is now no longer bundling components with it, instead it will adopt a shadcn approach allowing users to take what they need without any bloat from unused components.
• There will exist base.light.rsml and base.dark.rsml files that user's can edit at free will whenever they run lumina init , as well as each component will have their rsml file copied in as well for a user to edit.
• Since roblox stylesheets have you derive from other stylesheets to use their tokens, the theme sheets are derived dynamically based on the user theme, for example if they are on dark mode button.rsml (the button component's rsml file) will derive from base.dark.rsml and light base.light.rsml

[neon leaf]

wtf is redis doing

[real rose]

redising

[sharp geyser]

use crate::Asset;
use indicatif::MultiProgress;
use log::info;
use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
use thiserror::Error;

#[derive(Error, Debug)]
pub enum InitError {
    #[error("Could not find Config Json file")]
    ConfigJson,
    #[error(transparent)]
    SerdeJson(#[from] serde_json::Error),
}

#[derive(Serialize, Deserialize, Debug)]
#[serde(rename_all = "camelCase")]
struct Config {
    #[serde()]
    base_dir: String,
    components_dir: String,
    lib_dir: String,
    registry: String,
    templates: String,
}

pub fn init_command(mp: &MultiProgress) -> Result<(), InitError> {
    let config_file = Asset::get("lumina.config.json").ok_or_else(|| InitError::ConfigJson)?;
    let config = serde_json::from_slice::<Config>(config_file.data.as_ref())?;

    let base_dir = config.base_dir;
    let components_dir = config.components_dir.replace("{baseDir}", &base_dir);
    let lib_dir = config.lib_dir.replace("{baseDir}", &base_dir);
    let registry = config.registry;
    let templates = config.templates;

    info!("{} {}", components_dir, lib_dir);

    Ok(())
}

I really do not like replacing like this, and im sure I could use PathBufs instead but they produce weird paths

[sharp geyser]

I found a way that works for me

maybe @radiant kraken can make a PR later to the cli tool to make it better who knows

[sharp geyser]

https://github.com/LuminaUI/lumina/tree/master/packages/cli @radiant kraken if you can check out my code :))

Any feedback is appreciated!

This is an alpha release, with only 1 command available right now

When I get off work ima work on the add command

[stark kestrel]

Not sure if you did but one thing I always do is run clippy over my projects before pushing - maybe it finds improvements for you as well ^^

[sharp geyser]

Oh yeah nah I forgot about floppy

Clippy*

Might set it up as a gh action

[stark kestrel]

Also maybe you want to set the edition to 2025 as well in the cargo toml

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha

[stark kestrel]

Yeah worth it

[sharp geyser]

Got it setup

I only wish it'd make a PR for the proposed changes

dk if thats even possible

[warped glacier]

So i got bored so now a coding language called DEADBASIC exist!

Its got like 5 commands sofar but its decently neat

[warped glacier]

Average file in this language looks like this

[radiant kraken]

will do! thankies

[sharp geyser]

hello!

[radiant kraken]

hai aaron!

[sharp geyser]

I just pushed some new changes from clippy

[radiant kraken]

oh

cool :D

[warped glacier]

@sharp geyser

[radiant kraken]

you could also add cargo fmt in the github action btw!

that github action then could push new changes containing the formatted code

which is what i do for my projects

[sharp geyser]

heh...want to do that for me /j

[stark kestrel]

jobs:
  rustfmt:
    name: rustfmt
    runs-on: ubuntu-latest
    steps:
      - name: Checkout source code
        uses: actions/checkout@08c6903cd8c0fde910a37f88322edcfb5dd907a8 # v5
      - name: Run rustfmt
        run: cargo fmt --all -- --check --verbose
  clippy:
    name: clippy
    runs-on: ubuntu-latest
    steps:
      - name: Checkout source code
        uses: actions/checkout@08c6903cd8c0fde910a37f88322edcfb5dd907a8 # v5
      - name: Run Clippy
        run: cargo clippy --all-targets --all-features

i do these two and tests/builds as well

[sharp geyser]

🙏

[warped glacier]

Anyone good at making tests? Im looking to add some check functions into my code.

[radiant kraken]

i do them both in the same job

[stark kestrel]

can be put as one but i like when i see what fails directly without having to look at the steps

[stark kestrel]

yeh that's fair

[radiant kraken]

saves the need of double-fetching the repo

[radiant kraken]

sure thing! will include it in my pr for sure

[sharp geyser]

[warped glacier]

@radiant kraken Sorry about ping. You have done alot with LIB and such. What is your take on a coding languae with the only syntax being : no parens no nothing (Well indents too but thats diff)

[radiant kraken]

well i don't mind it too much honestly

i like that you're being creative with your syntax

makes it stand out from the others

[warped glacier]

See and the whole idea of this is so people can learn coding easy then work their way up. So im trying to think whats needed and what is too much

[radiant kraken]

mhm

for this i recommend minimizing technical terms in your syntax

keep it as accessible as possible

[stark kestrel]

just make sure it's not too low, which is contra productive as they'll learn something never used in the real world

[warped glacier]

Def. Most of my functions and syntax currently says what it does

[radiant kraken]

nicee

[stark kestrel]

sometimes it's needed to have that steep learning curve - can be minimized a bit with good documentation, resources, etc.

i just wouldn't make a language that is way too far from reality

[warped glacier]

Yeah thats the bal im doing. For IF statements. im doing ```BA

if this do this``` So its still simular to higher level just more clear.

The whole goal is a language thats matches python for example but the commands are in a readable format. That way its easier to figure out

[stark kestrel]

i.e. i wouldn't make indentations like python, it can be and effectively is confusing for newcomers

[warped glacier]

So instead of stuff with python like ```python

if x < 2 && > sum(5*^2/3)
print("Hello")```

Its more like ```BA

if x < 2 and sum 5*^1/3
Print hello

[stark kestrel]

the amount of people that get started and don't know when and where the indentations are needed

[stark kestrel]

python is also and

[warped glacier]

Cleaner and more clear. There is less stuff like the && and == and such

[radiant kraken]

i feel like having it without parantheses could get confusing quite fast

[warped glacier]

See im debating parens or doing smth like python 3 where they do the :

Bc i do plan to add if and such.

[radiant kraken]

@sharp geyser heya, so uhm your code is pretty simple, so my changes would be relatively minimal

[stark kestrel]

that example honestly makes it a bit complex/confusing for newcomers when they switch language for example - especially that print and sum thing

[sharp geyser]

Yeah no I get that, anything helps though! Especially since it's likely going to get more complex soon

[warped glacier]

Well its actually add i did double language there mb

Dont code in 2 langauages lol. You will get syntax mixed!

[radiant kraken]

@sharp geyser why this? doesn't npm automatically resolves to npm.cmd on Windows?

[sharp geyser]

Nope

std::process::Command does not automatically resolve the right one

so you need that for it to

[radiant kraken]

damn

[sharp geyser]

Yeah it stupid

[warped glacier]

C++!!! I HATE THAT SOO MUCH AND IDEK WHY

[sharp geyser]

simply doing npm inside Command::new() will give you a program doesn't exist error

It's better though cause I was using a cargo crate for it originally until I saw all they were doing was basically that

so I just implemented it myself

[radiant kraken]

i love C++ 😍

[warped glacier]

I mean what would you recommend then. Im thinking languages like PY and java have the & and && / = and == and i want to try and elim those

[warped glacier]

I cant stand the import std
import system
import qdata

(You get the point)

[sharp geyser]

erm

you import things in every language?

you can't avoid it

💀

[radiant kraken]

what

[warped glacier]

Thats why i like java and all that. Some base systems already are there.

[warped glacier]

Yeah . But not every single command. More dynamic stuff

[radiant kraken]

are you referring to how you import third-party libraries in C++

[sharp geyser]

That's only cause they exist globally

[warped glacier]

Yeah this is what i dont like about c++. No global

[sharp geyser]

They are referring to how std libraries are globally imported in languages like js and java

[warped glacier]

I dident know how to say it consideing i have 3 languages in my mind rn

[sharp geyser]

Well they are

They are saying they dislike that C++ doesnt globally import its std library

instead you have to import things individually

[radiant kraken]

ohhhhh

[sharp geyser]

which makes sense because of how C++ is

[warped glacier]

Ye. Im saying i dont like how c++ makes you import standard lib, When it could just be global for basic like java js py ect

[sharp geyser]

C++ can't really do a global std import

[warped glacier]

Why couldent it?

[sharp geyser]

Well because it builds an exe with everything linked in it

imagine how massive that exe would be

💀

Full of shit that isn't used

[warped glacier]

I forgot about the exe....

[radiant kraken]

i'm sure that can be optimized

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure

but why bother

the compiler already has its hands busy optimizing what is included

[warped glacier]

So funny story. was taking a coding class in HS. forgot that C++ makes exe. Tried to email it to myself to load it at home. Flagged, Add to google drive, Caused me to get investigated by the school.

All over a unsigned EXE

Made me and my teacher laugh tho when we found out

[radiant kraken]

damn

[warped glacier]

The principle knew me decently well. So he called me down and asked me. What that is. I told him and offered to show him the code and explain it. He looked at me and said. Your good. We had a incident with malware before and for some reason your GDrive flagged that every 2 seconds. So that was funny, 2 Days later got my ipad back. Was talking to IT (Had some staff in the IT that i helped time to time) Turns out they got 35 reports in under 2 minutes for the exe and they were all dumbfounded after looking at the code why it was flagged soo much

Made for a funny moment. Only struggle i had the whole time was getting my ipad back. Thats bc the Vice Principle forgot. Lol

Anyways i got sidetracked.

[radiant kraken]

@sharp geyser instead of this, why not use macros?

[sharp geyser]

cuz me no know how to use macros

:))

[radiant kraken]

😭

also it went from 2 to 4 btw

[sharp geyser]

nah

it's nested

check_for_required_deps runs step 3

If they don't exist they install them

It's a mess ik

Could be cleaned up tbh

[radiant kraken]

ohhhhhh

my bad

didn't see it

[sharp geyser]

Im thinking I will embed most of the provider code into the cli as well

so init will add those to the lib folder it creates

[radiant kraken]

i'm writing a wrapper for the step progress bar rn

[sharp geyser]

:o

Okie

That sounds good

Honestly a lot of it was proof of concept that it works

I was throwing code here and there

Planning to abstract what I needed to into its own modules

Next plans of implementation

• Add in the provider code for theme switching
• Add in the style files that it will use
• Make the add command to add components to the project into the src/client/lumina/components folder

I also want to eventually add theme presets

so part of the init process will be choosing a theme preset

[radiant kraken]

be sure to let me know if you needed help

[sharp geyser]

Will do!

Honestly just have a sanity checker / reviewer for it would be immensely helpful

I want to learn rust again since surprisingly a lot of tools on roblox are built in rust

💀

I plan on making a good bit of stuff in rust for roblox going forward

[radiant kraken]

@sharp geyser https://github.com/LuminaUI/lumina/pull/1

[sharp geyser]

Will check it out in a sec!

[stark kestrel]

I wouldn't eliminate them to be fair

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken Merged!

Looks good

[radiant kraken]

thankiess!!

now go to bed aaron

[sharp geyser]

I got off work lol

Bed no no

me work on project

I gots lots of stuff to do

[sharp geyser]

Any idea on how to do a select interface in the terminal?

I am looking at ratatui but that seems like...i'd have to rewrite the entire app to use unless im mistaken and can just use it for one portion

[radiant kraken]

i'm sure there are several third-party libraries for it

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

dialoguer seems promising

ratatui looks good but its a bit much for the current plans

maybe if it grows it might be good to use it

Now I have to make a super simple basic provider

and other things

and then embed that provider inside the cli tool so it can generate it on init

[sharp geyser]

oh btw, do you know if its possible to do auto releases on github?

Like it builds it for different targets and zips them and generates a release or nah

Oh I guess it is

heh

[radiant kraken]

nice

[sharp geyser]

Imagine running out of memory

Imagine not having 64gb

[radiant kraken]

sobbing

[sharp geyser]

👀

Oh wait thats a laptop I forgor

I was gonna ask how much ram in your country costs

lols

I need to drill it in me to make useful commit messages from now on

No more "Added this"

[radiant kraken]

this laptop costed me $1,410

[sharp geyser]

"feat(cli): Added add command to insert components"

[radiant kraken]

yeahhh! as you should aaron

[sharp geyser]

I honestly want to be more professional in my coding

and I want to use standard stuff as well

like gh actions

[radiant kraken]

i mean tbf i'm not that professional hahahah

[sharp geyser]

Is there anything else I should use btw?

that you know of

I already have it set to use fmt and clippy now thanks to you

[strong shoal]

Umm

[deft wolf]

Nice

[sharp geyser]

Question

[radiant kraken]

sure thing

[deft wolf]

https://tenor.com/bY43B.gif

[sharp geyser]

should I use a toolchain file

to lock in the toolchain for that project

[radiant kraken]

nope

that's all i use LOL

[radiant kraken]

i don't think so

[sharp geyser]

so nothing like this

[toolchain]
channel = "stable"
components = ["rustfmt", "clippy"]
profile = "minimal"

?

[radiant kraken]

where do you write this in

[sharp geyser]

rust-toolchain.toml inside the cli package

[radiant kraken]

i don't write it in my libraries

[sharp geyser]

I see

I think ill keep it cause why not

it locks in others using that toolchain

[radiant kraken]

sure thing

[sharp geyser]

and keeps consistency

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

in case one person is using some broken nightly build 💀

[stark kestrel]

i have in the test and build matrix nightly as well