development

[stark kestrel]

Well that will take some time considering I'm on 4G x)

[radiant kraken]

i can't believe it's already at 1.17 GiB wth 💀

[stark kestrel]

speed is random

[radiant kraken]

uhhh i'm sure you can make it faster by adding --depth 1

[stark kestrel]

It's a 70ish percent, probably not worth it anymore

[radiant kraken]

😭

i should change the readme example

ppl shouldn't fetch the entire repository lmao

[stark kestrel]

at least i have unlimited mobile data

What are the requirements exactly?
It's trying to fetch libs in /usr/local/lib but that's not on macOS

it just wanted that folder to exist all good

[radiant kraken]

Rust

that's all

you need to build it

[stark kestrel]

looks all good

[radiant kraken]

YOOOOOOOO

MY CODE WORKS

[stark kestrel]

🔥

[radiant kraken]

i've tested it only in windows 😭

[stark kestrel]

Can have a try on a linux vm, have one set up

[radiant kraken]

okay

this time

dont clone the entire repo

😭

[stark kestrel]

Yeah

Yeah that was just a tiny bit faster

Yeah works also fine, I just had to manually move the lib to the folder

Not sure if that can be changed, but the binding works so 🔥

[radiant kraken]

WHAT 😭😭😭

[neon leaf]

/home is on a different mount point

you need to copy the file instead of moving

[radiant kraken]

alright alright

will fix

never knew that's a thing as i don't use linux

[stark kestrel]

Yeah I did a cp and solved it so was all good

Maybe you can also create the folder if it doesn't exist, considering it's ran as sudo either way?

I had to create it myself

[radiant kraken]

create the folder?

[stark kestrel]

/usr/local/lib

[radiant kraken]

oh it does not exist? 😭

[stark kestrel]

I didn't have the lib, it's not per default

[radiant kraken]

that's crazy

[stark kestrel]

Yeah, had some issues with carbon as well with that

[sharp geyser]

Back on my motivation to learn C++

[radiant kraken]

based

C++ is super fun

C is even more so

fix pushed

[stark kestrel]

[stark kestrel]

Now I can implement your lib much much sooner than expected 🔥

Honestly didn't expect you to do it so quickly

[radiant kraken]

the new release is not out yet lmfao 😭

but thanks so much ❤️

i definitely did not use chatgpt

[stark kestrel]

Yeah I mean I can still use it 😎

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken ever used clang for c/c++?

[radiant kraken]

yes

not often tho

[sharp geyser]

I am having troubles setting it up

[radiant kraken]

what is your OS?

[sharp geyser]

win 11

clion can't find the RC compiler

[radiant kraken]

how did you install it?

[sharp geyser]

even though I have the win 11 dev kit installed via vs

[sharp geyser]

I installed the LLVM clang and Windows 11 dev kit is installed via Visual Studio

[radiant kraken]

ohhhh

i don't use clion so

[sharp geyser]

If this helps idk

[radiant kraken]

i mostly work with vscode

[sharp geyser]

Ah okay

There we go

[radiant kraken]

oh i was about to tell ya

[sharp geyser]

I set the -DCMAKE_RC_COMPILER to be the llvm-rc

[radiant kraken]

nice!

[radiant kraken]

what are you working on?

[sharp geyser]

Right now, just learning C++

but I want clang setup cause clang = better errors typically

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

Lot easier to read them at least

Dk if linker errors are better

ahaha

[radiant kraken]

if you struggle with it, don't hesitate to hmu!

do you use cmake?

[sharp geyser]

I will be using cmake yeah

[radiant kraken]

ayyyy!

now we're talking

[sharp geyser]

Right now just following The Cherno's guides and just updating myself on what C++ basics are like though I anticipate they will be familiar

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

Anyone wanna explain what this asm does

I vaugely understand it

but after googling what eax and such mean I don't really get it

eax is some sort of register?

@radiant kraken

Question

In C++ or even C, headerfiles can just be declerations right?

like

void Log(const char* message)

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

and then you'd have a cpp file that defines what Log is

[radiant kraken]

yes!

that's the standard way we do in C/C++

[sharp geyser]

But I also know you can literally just do it all in the header file

So why make a cpp file for that header file

like Log.h and Log.cpp

Granted this is such a super basic example

but I am wondering why even have cpp files if you can do everything in header files

minus your main cpp file

[radiant kraken]

well if multiple C++ files include the same header file and they use the same functionality, wouldn't that introduce duplicates when compiling and linking?

if you split them into two files, header and source, you can make use of the advantage of linking, keeping them all intact and reducing duplicated code when linking and compiling

that's what i know

[sharp geyser]

I see

[radiant kraken]

since #include essentially just pastes the header contents

like A would include C and B would include C, if you compile and link A and B together you would have two instances of C

[sharp geyser]

Right

but if you build for release, wont it see those 2 includes and combine it into just 1 ?

Like say A and B both need iostream

surely it won't include iostream twice right?

[radiant kraken]

unsure

i don't think the C++ standard library is header-only

sure there are inline and templated functions/classes, but some of it shouldn't be written in headers

[sharp geyser]

I see

I just know you do #include <iostream>

[radiant kraken]

i'm sure the C++ standard library has its own library file

like .so/.dll

so unless you're writing templated/inline functions/classes, there are not much reasons for you to write everything in a header file (especially if it's being used across several source files)

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha

So
.h = declerations
.cpp = definitions

[radiant kraken]

exactly!

[sharp geyser]

I only ask because when I made the vector implementation I did it all in a h file

[radiant kraken]

that's fine!

your vector implementation is templated, right?

so it's fine

[sharp geyser]

#ifndef VECTOR_VECTOR_H
#define VECTOR_VECTOR_H

#include <stdexcept>

template <typename T>
class Vector {
  T *array;
  size_t capacity;
  size_t length;

  void resize_to_fit(size_t index) {
    int newCapacity = capacity;
    while (newCapacity <= index) {
      newCapacity *= 2;
    }

    T* temp = new T[newCapacity];

    memcpy(temp, array, sizeof(T) * capacity);
    capacity = newCapacity;
    delete[] array;
    array = temp;
  }

 public:
  Vector() : capacity(1), length(0), array(new int[1]){};
  explicit Vector(size_t size)
      : capacity(size), length(1), array(new int[size]){};

  size_t size() const { return length; }

  inline void push_back(T element) { insert(length, element); }

  void insert(size_t index, T element) {
    if (index >= capacity) {
      resize_to_fit(index);
    }

    if (index >= length) {
      length = index + 1;
    } else {
      length++;
    }

    array[index] = element;
  }
  T &operator[](size_t index) const {
    if (index >= length) {
      throw std::range_error("index out of range");
    }
    return array[index];
  }
  ~Vector() { delete[] array; }
};

#endif  // VECTOR_VECTOR_H

[radiant kraken]

yeah

[sharp geyser]

you mean templated like this?

[radiant kraken]

templated functions are written in headers

[sharp geyser]

I forgot what templates are tbh

Sure I will learn it eventually

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

109 cherno videos to go through

[radiant kraken]

don't hesitate to ask!

[sharp geyser]

Thanks

Off to work for now

[radiant kraken]

bai bai!

[wheat mesa]

It’s like generics but more powerful. Templates are usually written in headers because of compilation performance & bc it’s a little easier that way

[neon leaf]

??????????????????????????

thank you eslint

[acoustic bough]

me after I add a new rule

[patent bramble]

hmm, interesting. Still, a bit outside my scope for this, but good to know nonetheless.

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha thanks

Is there still like method/func generics?

[wheat mesa]

It’s similar but not the same

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken Love finding out about clang-tidy and clang-format

🙏

[radiant kraken]

yuuuhhhh!!

[sharp geyser]

Made a transpiler from C++ to luau

class Player
{
  public:
  int health;
  void takeDamage()
  {
    health = health - 10;
  }
}

local Player = {}
Player.__index = Player

function Player.new()
        local self = setmetatable({}, Player)
        self.health = 0 --[[ int ]]
        return self
end

function Player:takeDamage(self)
        self.health = self.health - 10
end

return Player

Transpiler is made in ts granted

so no actual C++ skill

Honestly was just bored

[radiant kraken]

you're fine!

don't worry!

i often feel bored too

[haughty otter]

i need ideas for my bot

i need a vote reward after my bot gets accepted

what should be the reward

[deft wolf]

Something worth voting

[long marsh]

I guess there's a fortunate side effect for the bot approval process taking 2 - 3 weeks. Those that submit bots then abandon them typically happen in that time frame haha

[long marsh]

That's highly subjective to you and your bot's niche. For example, I have several commands that people can use that earn virtual currency. Then I have another command that allows premium players to execute them all at once rather than individually. When my bot is approved, I'll allow those with a certain vote streak to be able to use that command as well.

[vagrant notch]

oh man i made another mistake while updating my service 😭 it uses sveltekit and i just switched to bun from node, and tried using a bun adapter for sveltekit not knowing the adapter was unmaintained and so it had issues

this made it so when doing stuff like post, put, patch etc requests give a forbidden error

i didnt experience this issue during development, it was only in production

and this buggy version of the service was up for 8 hours 🙏 🙏

so cooked

and the worst part is i saw someone trying to log in through my analytics

and they never were able to login because of this issue

[haughty otter]

i need ideas for commands (theme is fun, games, useful)

[quartz kindle]

rip

why the switch though? just curious, i use node myself

im first timing sveltekit as well and its been pretty awesome so far

[lament rock]

honestly not a fan of bun

[vagrant notch]

my bot used bun, i just wanted to switch for the app so it was uh nicer

also i saw using a bun adapter allowed for implementing websockets directly

which was kinda cool and couldve been of use in my app

[vagrant notch]

yess svelte is absolutely awesome

[spark flint]

[lament rock]

no idea who u are but also not a big fan of you
jk

[long marsh]

Just curious: why?

I used Bun to power my last API and it worked really well with zero memory problems (unlike what I've seen in node)

Totally acknowledge that it's not always about the runtime, but the memory consumption of node seemed elevated when compared with bun.

[vagrant notch]

tbh i care a lot about dx so im just gonna say deno is probably my favorite runtime

i wouldve loved to use deno for everything but the support just isnt there yet 😢

[lament rock]

A lot of the claims of bun about performance are typically not representative of real world scenarios and even within its own web server (using uws.js), its performance is worse than on node

[loud canopy]

you cant make a SKU purchasable more than once?

[loud canopy]

nvm fixed myself

didnt have function to consume the SKU for single purchases

and also bc my dumbass would insert the entitlment info AFTER the bot handles it in the database

so i had to swap them

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-6032856351339640046

[frosty gale]

i have no problem with bun or deno or whatever node alternatives there are regarding the implementation, but i dont really like how they randomly cloned a perfectly good project (node) and didnt make any significant changes to the language except for backend architecture which performs basically just as well as node

deno quite literally exists because rust 🚀🚀 but dont know what motives bun has

[vagrant notch]

i think its just about memory

less memory consumption or something

i have a friend that hypes bun up because of this

probably because he doesnt have much memory to spare during development lol

[sharp geyser]

Wasn't deno also made to fix the pitfalls node had in terms of security as well? I remember that was a big selling point deno made when it was in its earlier versions

dk if that was the main reason or not

[haughty otter]

yay my bot got approved

[lyric mountain]

It amazes me how segmented js ecosystem is

[old whale]

Can anyone help me related to the voting webhook....

[quartz kindle]

sure

[old whale]

My bot is new

So I am hosting it on my friends cloud hosting

[quartz kindle]

first you find the ip address or url that the could hosting assigned to your instance
then your bot needs to run a webserver to receive the webhooks (top.gg libraries can do this for you)
then in the top.gg website you input the url where your bot can be reached, for example the bot's ip address plus webserver port plus any path you configured

[vagrant notch]

same 🥳

[young kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/tyunpio-taehyun-txt-gif-19701197

[lyric mountain]

yk, I'm kinda liking generating procedural maps

the gen rules are mostly finished, it's fun going down and seeing how it generates each floor

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle 1:100 map incoming

if I freed up some space I could barely get 1:67 too

but thats it lol

1:10 is like 140TB

[quartz kindle]

jesus

[deft wolf]

Holy

[stark kestrel]

pov you set up renovate 🧌

[sharp geyser]

pov: what is renovate

[stark kestrel]

automated dependency updates

[digital swan]

Why use that over dependabot?

[stark kestrel]

Better configuration/features and supports more languages/filetypes

https://docs.renovatebot.com/bot-comparison/

[old whale]

So all I need is ip Only??

[stark kestrel]

Quite good and honest comparison

[quartz kindle]

generally ip, port and path

ip is defined by the host, port and path are defined by the application

although some hosts limit which ports you can use

for example, using a regular VPS:
host gives you ip 999.999.999.999
you install and configure topgg sdk for your prefered programing language
you set it to port 3000 and path "/topgg"
in your top.gg bot page, you will use the following url: http://999.999.999.999:3000/topgg

depending on your hosting provider, you may also need to configure its firewall to allow that port

[lyric mountain]

aight done, I think

[queen needle]

No clue what I'm looking at it but seems awesome

[lyric mountain]

the map for my dungeon crawler game

players descend node by node, one of the dungeons is an infinitely deep one

[queen needle]

Holy cow that is awesome

[lyric mountain]

so I made a procedural generator for it

next step is integrating into the game, every yellow node will generate a random event

green nodes are rest spots, kinda like a savepoint

oranges will be dangerous encounters, and reds will be bosses

[prime cliff]

You probably dont want to make that many paths for a floor 1 xD maybe gradual increases

[lyric mountain]

I thought abt it too, but idk what would be a good "breakpoint" for additional paths

Maybe every 10 floors, idk

[prime cliff]

Depends how long your game is, how many unique events/tiles you have and other special content

[lyric mountain]

There's no length, progress os persistent across sessions

[prime cliff]

You could look at other floor based games for ideas too

Pretty sure inscription had a mini game of that at one point?

[lyric mountain]

I'll take a look

[prime cliff]

Yea

[lyric mountain]

I also need to decide whether I'll allow more than 5 nodes per sub-area or keep it low

More nodes mean more events per floor

But the travel per floor is always N or lower, with N being number of sub-areas

[prime cliff]

You could also give like buff tiles per-floor

[lyric mountain]

Oh I will, that's why I rewrote it to be floor-based instead of free nodes

Also plan on adding visual penalties like "you can only see in a small area around you" or "room types are unknown"

[lyric mountain]

made it max 3 with +1 every 10 floors (capped at 7)

also +1 to minimum every 20 (capped at half max) so you dont get a single room connecting to more than 5 and to make branch choice more impactful

[sharp geyser]

I assume this is non-specific enough to roblox that anyone who knows ts / programming could answer. I have an ECS and in my systems I sometimes need to listen to events thrown by the roblox engine.

Problem is systems run every frame AKA listening to events spawn a new RBXScriptConnection every frame AKA bad performance AKA no good

import { RunService } from '@rbxts/services';

type InferSignalParameters<T> = T extends RBXScriptSignal & { Connect(fn: (...args: infer U) => void): unknown }
    ? U
    : never;

interface EventData {
    queue: unknown[][];
    idx: number;
}

const dataBySignal = new WeakMap<RBXScriptSignal, EventData>();

RunService.Stepped.Connect(() => {
    for (const [_, data] of dataBySignal) {
        data.idx = 0;
        data.queue = [];
    }
});

export function useEvent<I extends Instance, E extends InstanceEventNames<I>>(
    instance: I,
    event: E,
): IterableFunction<LuaTuple<[number, ...InferSignalParameters<InstanceEvents<I>[E]>]>> {
    const signal = instance[event] as RBXScriptSignal;

    let data = dataBySignal.get(signal);
    if (!data) {
        data = { queue: [], idx: 0 };

        signal.Connect((...args: InferSignalParameters<InstanceEvents<I>[E]>) => {
            data!.queue.push(args);
        });

        dataBySignal.set(signal, data);
    }

    const iter = (): LuaTuple<[number, ...InferSignalParameters<InstanceEvents<I>[E]>]> | undefined => {
        data.idx++;

        if (data.idx <= data.queue.size()) {
            return $tuple(data.idx, ...data.queue[data.idx - 1]) as LuaTuple<
                [number, ...InferSignalParameters<InstanceEvents<I>[E]>]
            >;
        }

        data.idx = 0;
        return undefined;
    };

    return iter as IterableFunction<LuaTuple<[number, ...InferSignalParameters<InstanceEvents<I>[E]>]>>;
}

I have this, and seemingly it does add everything to the map I make, but the issue is when I use this function, the RBXScriptSignal is never actually fired, thus none of the args/data from said signal are ever returned in the tuple

RunService.Stepped for reference runs every frame prior to physics simulation

Correction the args are not added to the map

For whatever reason

[prime cliff]

Working on status pages/monitor service for Dev Space.
Does this look good?

I was thinking of adding support for sharded data like discord bot shards using an array or key based shard id.

[hybrid ingot]

Does anyone know a bot that can be used to kick people that haven't chatted within a certain time period from servers?

[slender wagon]

question, is there a way i could add members that aren't verified yet to a section of the server where they can't fetch any members? (Trying to prevent mass scraping)

[deft wolf]

I'm not sure if that's possible. Things like server members and channels are sent via the API regardless of whether you have access to them in the client or not. This is why it's possible to use plugins that show you "hidden" channels

[dusk pebble]

the Member object has Verified property

depending on what lib you are using

[stark kestrel]

won't change the fact that discord sends the data

[dusk pebble]

true

if the member isn't verified , add a role with little to no permissions, would that hinder scraping member data?

[deft wolf]

The problem is that scraping isn't done with clients, but with self-bots that utilize Discord's API. Anything you can do with a bot, you can do with a self-bot pretty much

If a bot without any permission is able to fetch server members, then selfbot will be able to do it too

[dusk pebble]

hmmm, I guess that is a Discord API issue

[wicked hazel]

Ci sono italiani qua dentro?

[stark kestrel]

And that's been the case since the beginning

A few years ago they worked on a way to return the channels you don't have access to as something like "no_access" or whatever else, don't remember

Never got actually implemented, but more irrelevant things did

[dusk pebble]

thats a discord theme

[desert lynx]

That is unironically an interesting and possibly useful idea
Might implement it, the way I do shit everything's already in place to permit that
Though I won't add a command to automatically kick people, cause seems ass to those who lurk

[hybrid ingot]

Yeah it’d be super useful

There used to be a bot called booty bot that would do that but it stopped working like a year and a half ago

[desert lynx]

Might make it a 2.5.X milestone for me shit then

Have to deal with other things first though

Last major changelog was er

12K characters big LMFAO

[hybrid ingot]

I have no idea what you’re talking about but sounds cool 😭

[desert lynx]

Still have to work out the kinks now that it's out in prod

[desert lynx]

there were so many changes in the last major version of my bot that the patch notes wouldn't fit in no less than 4 separate messages

result:

change a shit load of things = a shit ton of things will break

[slender wagon]

sorry im getting a bit non-technical here, but is there a way to disable dms in a server?

like people wont be able to dm eachother?

Im facing some serious issue with mass-dms its really annoying

[vagrant notch]

security actions

and pause DMs

[slender wagon]

oh okay thanks

[pearl trail]

guys, should i be worried about this error, because it runs fine when i execute it

[delicate zephyr]

increase the security level, also works

[slender wagon]

yup did that

made my own alt identifier as well

[shell tundra]

chat, does this still work? https://topgg.js.org/

[dusk pebble]

works for me

[slender wagon]

question, will i lose my early verified badge or will my bot lose the verified status if i change the name of it?

[prime cliff]

🙂

[long marsh]

When you all send your stats to topgg, do you send both user installs and guild installs? Or just guild installs?

Meaning, do you add the two together and send it?

[vagrant notch]

the label says "server count" so i assume only guild installs

[stark kestrel]

no

[zenith flame]

@prime cliff is that a bot hoster ?

[prime cliff]

It says status and uptime where did you get it was hosting bots xD

[stark kestrel]

The docs only show support for server count
https://docs.top.gg/docs/API/bot/#post-stats

[zenith flame]

@prime cliff ahaa its just say how time the bot was online ?

[prime cliff]

Yea its a status checker/monitor

[zenith flame]

Come to dm i want to ask you somethings

[prime cliff]

Although this project does have an app creation system, you would need to self host it though

[desert lynx]

i hate discord mobile so much

on desktop that button DOES scroll to the top of the message

[stark kestrel]

that's what you deserve for using the light mode /s

[desert lynx]

fun(?) fact: i'm unable to code in dark mode

i can't read shit if it's in dark mode

not sure why

[honest fox]

Ok

[slender wagon]

is cloudlfare + nginx rules good enough to prevent damage from ddos attacks

[median axle]

[prime cliff]

Ddos dosent cause damage though it's essentially a stun xD

[slender wagon]

well it could bottleneck the db which will have result on the users performance

[median axle]

👌

[slender wagon]

this is what i mean by damage

[prime cliff]

Also you should setup a firewall that can block incoming connections and you can whitelist cloudflare and your own ip

[slender wagon]

okay

[arctic kernel]

cloudflare has built in DDoS protection through the proxy

if you have the proxy off it won't. As well as if people attack the IP itself it won't

[harsh nova]

No

[slender wagon]

I see

Thank you!

[desert lynx]

Cloudflare is generally all you need
They have really good protection

[slender wagon]

why does my vps have such a heartbeat?

[humble gyro]

@slender wagon do you run a bot on there/

[slender wagon]

multiple

im literally feeling bad for my vps

its handling very well for a $5 vps

[humble gyro]

probably user update spam from discord

i see that a lot too

[slender wagon]

in one of the bots im using discordeno, that one is very calm

the other is running discord.js

that's where the problem starts ig

[stark kestrel]

ya know dark mode doesn't mean you close your eyes, right? /j

[prime cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[sharp geyser]

@wheat mesa now I know you said you didn't use an ECS much, but I wonder if you could think of a way to get player data inside of a system.

I have tried several ways and they just seem hacky

like they work but it seems to defeat the point of an ECS

Since systems run every frame, trying to access player data inside them without a bunch of null checks which can derail the system seems impossible

[sharp geyser]

Figured it out

:p

[lyric mountain]

global variables for such stuff is fine

[stark kestrel]

@radiant kraken so looked over the code, looks all good honestly

A few things I've noticed:

On line 402 of the bots.go file, there is an unnecessary authorization header , it's already set in the c.createRequest method

Also the rest is mostly how we (i guess) tend to code in Go, not really like

res, err := c.httpClient.Do(req)

if err != nil {
  return 0, err
}

But more

res, err := c.httpClient.Do(req)
if err != nil {
  return 0, err
}

Go's error handling is already a mess, no need to artificially make the files longer because of it

---

Comments are sometimes correctly written as

// HTTPClientOption allows for customizing the HTTP client used.
func HTTPClientOption(httpClient HTTPClient) OptionFunc {
  // ...
}

Sometimes they're

// Information about your bot's server count
func (c *Client) GetServerCount() (int, error) {
  // ...
}

Sometimes non-existent

I think it makes sense to keep the comments always the same and as godoc wants them to be, so like the first one

---

For the webhook.go file, there's

type wVotePayload struct {
  Bot       *string `json:"bot"`
  // ...
}

func NewWebhookVotePayload(data []byte) (*WebhookVotePayload, error) {
  p := &wVotePayload{}
  if err := json.Unmarshal(data, p); err != nil {
    return nil, err
  }
  // ...
}

Considering wVotePayload is just used there, I think it makes more sense to do something like

func NewWebhookVotePayload(data []byte) (*WebhookVotePayload, error) {
  var p struct {
    Bot       *string `json:"bot"` // even lowercase is fine, no need to export it
    // ...
  }
  if err := json.Unmarshal(data, &p); err != nil {
    return nil, err
  }
  // ...
}

[quartz kindle]

how about global kuuhakus

[radiant kraken]

thankies! ❤️ granted i am not that proficient in go hahaha!

[stark kestrel]

No problem ^^

[lyric mountain]

:3

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle world generation still running btw (I shouldve used a prefiltered osm pbf instead of filtering it myself)

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[long marsh]

Is anyone here actually building the discord activities?

[smoky fractal]

hey anyone knows how to detect slash commands given to other bots ?
and how fibo does that?

[deft wolf]

As far as I know, they listen to the embeds that are sent in response

You check the author of the message whether it is disboard, check the embed content whether it indicates that a bump was made and set a timer for your bot to mention someone there in two hours

Theoretically, the messages probably have information about what command the response was made from, but you are not able to check whether the vote was made correctly based on this, so you check the content of the embed

[smoky fractal]

I did this exactly but how does it know the user who did it

break down of embed doesn't have that info

fibo is doing smth that I don't know abt

[deft wolf]

Interaction reply should have interaction_metadata field which should contain this info

[smoky fractal]

I'll look into it

[deft wolf]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/message#message-interaction-metadata-object

[smoky fractal]

thanks a lot

[stark kestrel]

https://github.com/bitnami/charts/issues/35164

TL;DR
Bitnami (aka VMware aka Broadcom) is money hungry and moving off open source. They will now use a subscription model for their images and charts

[quartz kindle]

does that mean its ok to pirate vmware?

:^)

[small tangle]

Money hungry or trying to be sustainable?

[stark kestrel]

Official pricing verification confirms the $50,000-$72,000 annual subscription costs through AWS Marketplace listings and Arrow Electronics distribution agreements. Bitnami Premium costs $50,000 annually and provides unlimited access to 500+ applications, while Bitnami Secure Images requires $72,000 yearly for 280+ hardened applications with advanced security features.

Money hungry

It's been perfectly maintained and sustainable for years

[small tangle]

[stark kestrel]

Especially that now it pretty much cannot be used by hobbyist

Unless someone wants to put in the money for that subscription 🙃

[crystal wigeon]

anyone using ahrefs with SPA?

[arctic kernel]

i have similar that rewards users for bumping. You listen for embeds from the bot, look for a string (I look for "Bump Done 👍 ") then enter logic

and like he said above pull metadata to find the user who ran it

problem is you need approved for message intent. Still unsure if my use case will be approved :/

[quartz kindle]

if using a framework yes, the framework should handle those for you

[crystal wigeon]

does ahref even execute the js like googlebot tho? seems like its not able to see my page contents. I used solidjs with vite. this works perfectly fine with googlebot

[quartz kindle]

it depends how the framework handles it and how bots navigate

usually you want an SPA hyhbrid, that can render the correct page both by browser navigation and by direct url access

[crystal wigeon]

well the framework just creates a index.html and then loads script, there no content in that .html

[quartz kindle]

bots usually get the page content by direct url, not by client side navigation

[crystal wigeon]

hmm

right

but google loads the script tags in the .html files so there's no problem with seo there

any way to have the same behavior for ahrefbot?

[quartz kindle]

bots dont follow hrefs by clicking on them

they follow them by accessing the url they point to

as a separate request

so they should see whatever you see if you type the full url directly

[crystal wigeon]

yeah but ahref is not seeing that

here's what it sees

<html lang="en">
        <head>
// stuff
 <script type="module" crossorigin src="/assets/index-BEETA0A1.js
"></script>
                <link rel="stylesheet" crossorigin href="/assets/index-BlJif3eR.
css">

        </head>
        <body class="h-dvh">
                <noscript>
                        <p>You need to enable JavaScript to run this app.</p>
                </noscript>
                <div id="root" class="h-full"></div>

        </body>
</html>

[quartz kindle]

you're talking about this? ahrefs.com

[crystal wigeon]

yeah

lol

[quartz kindle]

ah then idk, you need to check their docs or something

[crystal wigeon]

ahrefbot, it doesnt seem to be loading the script tags

i read their article, they claim to load js for SPAs

anyway thanks

[quartz kindle]

guys

i never used vercel before

i created a project from their basic nodejs template

and it always returns 404

i just cloned this https://vercel.com/templates/backend/nodejs-serverless-function-express

how do i get it working? deployment says its deployed in production

the template has an api/hello.ts file, i tried renaming it to index.ts since some answers online said to do that, but still only get 404 lol

nvm figured it out, i had to create a vercel.json file and add routes there, why dont they include this in the damn template? ffs

[lament rock]

I'm needing some high frequency, decent core count CPUs for a server I'm gonna be running while being decently cheap. Anyone got any suggestions? This will be for a modded MC server

[neon leaf]

https://datalix.eu/a/index

ryzen servers

[lament rock]

I'll take a look if I can't manage to find something laying around my house

[deft wolf]

Clever affiliate link

[neon leaf]

ye

have it since 2023

[quartz kindle]

your affiliate link is "index"?

lmao

[neon leaf]

ye

[lyric mountain]

nearly finished integration

[prime cliff]

Nice you doing Discord components too

[lyric mountain]

now all that remains is making floors gain random mods depending on their seed

the global mods, player pos and player hp are saved across sessions

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle progress after 76h

not even a single region file generated yet 🙏

[quartz kindle]

lord almighty

[neon leaf]

well, atleast region generation should be multithreaded

for some reason with a 16 thread hard cap but whatever

no

[knotty night]

@solemn latch too

[dusk pebble]

I dont get out of bed for $2000 a month

[sharp geyser]

Cap

[dusk pebble]

must be part time

[sharp geyser]

?

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle can you tell me why

const orig = { a: 5, b: [1,2,3] }
const deepCopy = structuredClone(orig);
const deepCopy2 = JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(orig))
const shallowCopy = {...orig}

console.log(orig.a === deepCopy.a) // false
console.log(orig.a === shallowCopy.a) // true
console.log(orig.a === deepCopy2.a) // false

What exactly is structuredClone (or even other methods such as using JSON.parse + JSON.stringify) doing to make it so its not equal anymore

Is it different signatures or whatever its called ?

[neon leaf]

memory addresses

[sharp geyser]

Really?

Is that how equals works in ts/js?

It compares memory addresses?

[neon leaf]

also ur example is wrong

[quartz kindle]

objects are references

[neon leaf]

all of those are true

[sharp geyser]

They aren't true

[neon leaf]

if you compared b they wouldnt be

[sharp geyser]

Wrong

[neon leaf]

a is a number, that can be compared directly

[sharp geyser]

I literally just did it in google chrome console

Only one that returned true was shallowCopy

[quartz kindle]

obj1 === obj2 means obj1 equals obj2 in terms of reference, the entry point of the object in memory is the same

[neon leaf]

if you check with b then you get the results you showed

because its an object

[sharp geyser]

buddy

[neon leaf]

console.log(deepCopy2)

[sharp geyser]

Ah wait sorry I used the wrong example, the one here differs

orig is a object with a nested object and array

const orig = { a: { x: 1}, b: [1,2,3] }

[neon leaf]

yes, objects are compared via reference, primitives via value

[sharp geyser]

Sorry my fault

[quartz kindle]

also, structuredClone is slow af

dont use it

[sharp geyser]

Ah I wouldn't

I just didn't know what a deep copy vs a shallow copy really was tbh

💀

Someone yapped at me for doing a deep copy of something when they said a shallow copy was fine

[quartz kindle]

shallow copy = obj inside obj will keep being the same, because only the reference is copied

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha

[neon leaf]

after using rust this made coding js/ts for me so much harder lol

its such a weird concept that everything is a mutable reference without telling you

[sharp geyser]

So modifying a shallow copy won't modify the original?

[quartz kindle]

it will if its an object

for example

[sharp geyser]

Then I am confused, cause someone said I needed to make a shallow copy because modifying the original is unsafe (in context this is for a datastore library for roblox where the returned data is supposed to be readonly)

[quartz kindle]

a = { primitive: 1, object: { test: 10 } }
b = { ...a } // b is a shallow copy of a
b.primitive // this is a full copy of a.primitive and it belongs solely to object b and changing it wont affect object a
b.object // this is a reference to object { test: 10 }, it exists only once, and is accessible from both a and b, changing it from either a or b will change it for both

[neon leaf]

*changing data inside it

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/bzUaR.gif

[neon leaf]

modifying the property value itself wont affect the other object

[sharp geyser]

Then what are these people yapping about

[wheat mesa]

A shallow copy is when every primitive of an object is copied, but the objects within are not copied. They are references internally, so when you do a shallow copy, you’re just copying over the reference of the object to the new object. A deep copy means truly copying each and every property, including nested objects

[sharp geyser]

This is what these people said when I was modifying the state directly

[wheat mesa]

One object that is shallow copied that has a nested object inside of it will point to the same memory as the object it copied (For the nested objects, not the primitives)

[sharp geyser]

They said make a shallow copy, but if modifying the copy also modifies the original if its an object (which most of the data is) then whats the point ofm aking a shallow copy

[neon leaf]

probably just a mix up

[sharp geyser]

I don't know anymore, im confused

[wheat mesa]

Aren’t you working with a ts -> lua transpiler?

So the rules of the js engine don’t apply, it’s Lua’s runtime isn’t it?

[sharp geyser]

Nah im not

[wheat mesa]

Ah

[sharp geyser]

Also lua has similar rules in terms of modifying objects from what I recall

[quartz kindle]

why doesnt js have a native way to make a deep copy of an object

[sharp geyser]

JSON.parse(JSON.stringify()) according to google is a way to make a deep copy

[quartz kindle]

a simple recursive function is orders of magnitude faster than any js "recommended"method

[wheat mesa]

Horrendous performance but technically not wrong

[sharp geyser]

Right

I am not sure what I should do now

[quartz kindle]

call the police

oh wait

you are the police

[sharp geyser]

lmao

[neon leaf]

call the irs

they always know everything

[quartz kindle]

oh no

they will find out i dont pay taxes

[neon leaf]

they already know

they also know your expiry date for living on earth

[quartz kindle]

i have a good reason for not paying them though

not living in the US :^)

[neon leaf]

still waiting for u to try rust

[quartz kindle]

something funny

i tested netlify today, because of an issue someone reported

netlify is like an aws lambda, it does edge functions and stuff

but

they build your app in ubuntu 24, and then they deploy it to an aws instance running amazon linux 2

and if your app has native code, it wont work lmao

[neon leaf]

didnt u already talk about this before sir

[quartz kindle]

no? not today at least

i talked about vercel

[neon leaf]

#development message

[quartz kindle]

well yeah

it was for that reason, but i wanted to investigate further

[neon leaf]

i c

[quartz kindle]

and the issue is, native apps built with gcc wont run on older linuxes

which is counter intuitive

instead of being backwards compatible, they are forward compatible

[neon leaf]

ye

thats why musl exists

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[neon leaf]

200kb more for full compat

i was able to run a musl rust app compiled on ubuntu 22 on ubuntu 14

also its not directly because of gcc

its because of ldd

it links your binary to glibc

[quartz kindle]

ye

[neon leaf]

ye

u can configure

[quartz kindle]

i need to figure out how to setup prebuilds

so annoying

[wheat mesa]

welcome to the world of docker, where this problem magically gets solved

[quartz kindle]

ew

no me gusta el dockero

[wheat mesa]

porque

[sharp geyser]

I was looking at the internals of a game's server side code

  public bool Insert(Item item)
  {
    if (this.itemList.Contains(item) || this.IsFull())
      return false;
    this.itemList.Add(item);
    item.parent = this;
    if (!this.FindPosition(item))
      return false;
    this.MarkDirty();
    if (this.onItemAddedRemoved != null)
      this.onItemAddedRemoved(item, true);
    ItemContainer parent = this.parent?.parent;
    if (parent != null && parent.onItemContentsChanged != null)
      parent.onItemContentsChanged(item, true);
    Interface.CallHook("OnItemAddedToContainer", (object) this, (object) item);
    return true;
  }

Why the heck are they stopping the insert if the itemlist already contains the item

I understand if its full

Like what if they are allowed to have multiple stacks of said item

[wheat mesa]

I mean it might be a unique list? Like a set structure of some sort

[quartz kindle]

isnt the item amount a property of said item?

its much more efficient having a map of unique items and their quantities than having multiple copies of an item in an array

[sharp geyser]

I honestly have no idea

There's a lot of code in this game's server side that makes no sense

A lot of unused functions

[quartz kindle]

is it roblox?

[sharp geyser]

Some that are increadibly terribly coded

Nah

[wheat mesa]

A lot of game dev is horrendous

[sharp geyser]

Its a unity game

[wheat mesa]

I would take everything with a grain of salt

[quartz kindle]

league of legends spaghetti code says hi

[sharp geyser]

This is the code behind Rust's server

[wheat mesa]

I would definitely not look at the code standards for a large game like Rust

90% of the code is probably “oh yeah I’ll write this for myself, then 5 junior devs will come along later and fuck with it until it’s awful”

[sharp geyser]

Lmao

I wanted to mimic the same principal of having an ItemContainer and PlayerInventory classes

Seemed like a good way to organize things

[quartz kindle]

i imagine most early access games have bad code in them

they literally started as an experiment

[sharp geyser]

But I honestly have no idea how the magic of this code works because that Insert function simingly oesn't support stacked items (unless the itemList just keeps increasing the amount and then splits it up in UI based off the amount and some maxStackSize)

That's honestly smart though

hm

[sharp geyser]

I hate working with data

I can never seem to get it right on how to ensure the data exists before doing anything else

copilot to the win. See I thought about making a recursive function that calls itself if need be, but I wasn't sure if that was smart.

[quartz kindle]

if(dataExists) {
  // do stuff
} else {
  // do other stuff
}

:^)

[queen needle]

if(!dataExists) return;
//do stuff with data```

[smoky fractal]

glad I did that long time ago

[sharp geyser]

The issue is the data needs to exist

So I had to keep fetching it until it was no longer undefined

[arctic kernel]

mine was approved thankfully

[quartz kindle]

um... what

you dont have anyway to check when the data you need is available to be fetched or what?

[sharp geyser]

Not really

It’s a bit weird to code that in this environment

Since the data is loaded on the server, the client isn’t guaranteed to have it

[sharp geyser]

Also would this matter anyway?

I’d still end up needing to fetch at a later date anyway

[quartz kindle]

there is a big difference between fetching something knowing its there and fetching something hoping its there

if you have to "keep fetching until its no longer undefined" you're doing something very wrong

kinda like trying to make a timer by repeatedly checking in a loop whether enough time has passed

[sharp geyser]

Then what’s the alternative

Cause I find myself questioning how to write something because a lot of the data is dynamic

Especially since it could be down to whether enough time has passed for it to be loaded into cache

Since data isn’t loaded instantly

Only when PlayerAdded event is fired is data for the player loaded into their state

[sharp geyser]

Well I got it working in a way that doesn't repeatedly check

Instead I subscribe to the getter so that way it will rerun the callback if any changes to the state are made

public static get(player: Player): Promise<EchoesPlayer> {
        const existing = this._instances.get(player);
        if (existing) return Promise.resolve(existing);

        const pending = this._pending.get(player);
        if (pending) return pending;

        const promise = new Promise<EchoesPlayer>((resolve) => {
            const unsubscribe = effect(() => {
                const data = getPlayerData(player.UserId);

                if (data) {
                    const wrapper = new EchoesPlayer(player, data);
                    this._instances.set(player, wrapper);
                    this._pending.delete(player);
                    unsubscribe();
                    resolve(wrapper);
                }
            });

            if (!player.IsDescendantOf(Players)) {
                this._pending.delete(player);
                unsubscribe();
            }
        });

        this._pending.set(player, promise);
        return promise;
    }

I found this method

Not sure what the point of the pending map is if instances already exists but apparently it's for "deduplicating" promises or some shit

[quartz kindle]

yes

if the same player is requested multiple times while its pending, the same promise should be returned

once the promise is resolved, the result is delivered everywhere equally

when it comes to async, you always need to think in terms of "what should i do if this function is called again while the previous call is still waiting?"

[warped sierra]

some triple A games now have the funniest code in them, its not even early access code, im talking 2 years after full release

[quartz kindle]

remember the gta online fiasco?

they had a broken recursive load function that would reload every single already-loaded item every time it would load a new item

it caused the game to take 20-30min to start

some dude got awarded 10k for reporting/fixing it

[warped sierra]

some of gta's comments are wild too

// dont know what this does but it broke when i removed it. will check soon - update 5 years later, never checked```

[lyric mountain]

use lazy loading

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

basically a data wrapper that only initializes when requested

[sharp geyser]

No idea what that means

[sharp geyser]

How does it work though, it just returns the same promise if it already is there, but what if it's not resolved yet?

It'd basically be returning a EchoesPlayer with no data

I am ashamed to say that all my years of coding i never took the oppurtunity to truly learn what promises are

[lyric mountain]

class Lazy<T> {
  private final Supplier<T> loader;
  private T obj;
  private boolean loaded;

  public Lazy<T>(Supplier<T> loader) {
    this.loader = loader;
  }

  public T get() {
    if (!loaded) {
      obj = loader.get();
      loaded = true;
    }

    return obj
  }
}

something like this

it doesnt have a value until you call it the first time

[sharp geyser]

Not quite sure how this would work for me

[lyric mountain]

in your case you'd fetch the server value only when you were going to use it, without re-fetching every time

[sharp geyser]

I already do that

I think

import { EquipSlot } from 'shared/util/types';
import { IItem } from 'shared/data';
import { PlayerInventory } from './PlayerInventory';
import { getPlayerData } from 'shared/charm/datastore';
import { Players } from '@rbxts/services';
import { effect } from '@rbxts/charm';

export interface IDataTemplate {
    currency: ICurrency;
    inventory: IInventory;
    equipment: IEquipment;
}

export interface ICurrency {
    copper: number;
    silver: number;
    gold: number;
}

export interface IInventory {
    main: Array<IItem>;
    belt: Array<IItem>;
    wear: Array<IItem>;
}

export type IEquipment = Record<EquipSlot, string>;

export class EchoesPlayer {
    private static _instances: WeakMap<Player, EchoesPlayer> = new WeakMap<Player, EchoesPlayer>();
    private static _pending: Map<Player, Promise<EchoesPlayer>> = new Map<Player, Promise<EchoesPlayer>>();

    public readonly profile: IDataTemplate;
    public readonly inventory: PlayerInventory;
    public readonly userId: number;

    private constructor(
        public readonly player: Player,
        data: IDataTemplate,
    ) {
        this.userId = player.UserId;
        this.profile = data;
        this.inventory = new PlayerInventory(this, this.profile.inventory);
    }

    public static get(player: Player): Promise<EchoesPlayer> {
        const existing = this._instances.get(player);
        if (existing) return Promise.resolve(existing);

        const pending = this._pending.get(player);
        if (pending) return pending;

        const promise = new Promise<EchoesPlayer>((resolve) => {
            const unsubscribe = effect(() => {
                const data = getPlayerData(player.UserId);

                if (data) {
                    const wrapper = new EchoesPlayer(player, data);
                    this._instances.set(player, wrapper);
                    this._pending.delete(player);
                    unsubscribe();
                    resolve(wrapper);
                }
            });

            if (!player.IsDescendantOf(Players)) {
                this._pending.delete(player);
                unsubscribe();
            }
        });

        this._pending.set(player, promise);
        return promise;
    }
}

[lyric mountain]

you can make it more elaborate by making it loop as many times as needed until a valid value is returned

[sharp geyser]

Is this what you mean?

or do you mean abstracting the profile even further

so that only when .profile is accessed is it ever fetched

btw effect is a way of subscribing to state aka getPlayerData any time the value in state changes getPlayerData is called again

aka profile loaded it goes from null -> profile

[lyric mountain]

it's almost the same thing yeah

[quartz kindle]

a Promise is an object that holds a future value

it is a reference like any other object, it can be passed around, anywhere you want

you can assign it to multiple variables, in multiple places, it will all reference the same Promise

for example

let promise;
function a() {
  if(!promise) {
    promise = new Promise(...)
  }
  return promise;
}

const x = a();
const y = a(); // y contains the exact same promise as x

x.then(...); // both can be awaited or .then()ed
y.then(...); // both will receive the same value at the same time once the promise resolves

it is recommended to do this kind of promise caching to avoid duplicating tasks, for example:

const requestCache = new Map();
function getResource(someParameter) {
  if(requestCache.has(someParameter)) return requestCache.get(someParameter);
  const promise = fetch(someParameter).then(result => {
    requestCache.delete(someParameter); // delete it from cache once its received
    return result;
  });
  requestCache.set(someParameter, promise);
  return promise;
}

this way, if getResource is called multiple times in a short time period, it will only actually fetch the resource once, and the result will be shared with all the calls

its basically like "oh we are already fetching what i need? cool, ill join the waiting list for it"

[thorn shell]

Heya quick question
Can i make a public channel where all the votes are displayed?
or is there some privacy concerns and i shouldnt do that

[sharp geyser]

Should be fine, though I don’t see the appeal behind it

[lyric mountain]

bro junie is fuckin impressive (question was why updatable = false worked with @MapsId in one class but not in the other)

[sharp geyser]

This makes sense gotcha thanks

[lyric mountain]

and I'm not the one to praise AI

[thorn shell]

Hmm so sending a dm to that person that they voted is better solution?

instead of in a public channel

[sharp geyser]

No I mean there is nothing wrong with putting it in a public channel

I just dont see a reason to do either

They already know they voted, top.gg tells them so when they are done

[thorn shell]

i meant like they get some reward for it so its gonna uhh idk give them info that it worked and they got it

[sharp geyser]

They should be able to re=run whatever command that needed them to vote to be able to tell that

Need vote to run said command? Let them know

Is it some reward for voting? Tell them about the reward

Either way its fine to put it in a public channel

[thorn shell]

hmm oke thanks for the ideas ❤️

[sharp geyser]

What's the difference between

    public containerVolume(): number {
        return this.slots.reduce((sum, item) => {
            return (sum += item.quantity);
        }, 0);
        // let total = 0;
        // for (let i = 0; i < this.capacity; i++) {
        //     const s = this.slots[i];
        //     if (s) total += s.quantity;
        // }
        // return total;
    }

Using reduce and the commented out portion

Does reduce do a loop under the hood as well?

I also realize in the commented out portion that if check is useless

a slot will never be undefined

As the inventory grows dynamically since its not a fixed size

[queen needle]

i mean the commented out is faster, even though reduce uses a for under the hood there are additional checks done, as well as calling the function, but @quartz kindle can give better than i can

[sharp geyser]

Gotcha

I figured the for loop was faster

but this begs to question

Why is it just about everything implemented in js is slower compared to doing it yourself

I also just realized

It doesn't really matter what I use, since it's transpiled into luau which could be slow cause idk how roblox-ts handles reduce

[lament rock]

Not everyone is Tim

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

js is pretty basic in its core, everything else is built on top of this core js

so using the core js directly will always be faster

[sharp geyser]

gotcha

It looks like reduce is transpiled int oa for loop anyway

    function ItemContainer:containerVolume()
        local _exp = self.slots
        -- ▼ ReadonlyArray.reduce ▼
        local _result = 0
        local _callback = function(sum, item)
            sum += item.quantity
            return sum
        end
        for _i = 1, #_exp do
            _result = _callback(_result, _exp[_i], _i - 1, _exp)
        end
        -- ▲ ReadonlyArray.reduce ▲
        local num = _result
        -- My for loop
        local total = 0
        do
            local i = 0
            local _shouldIncrement = false
            while true do
                if _shouldIncrement then
                    i += 1
                else
                    _shouldIncrement = true
                end
                if not (i < self.capacity) then
                    break
                end
                local s = self.slots[i + 1]
                if s then
                    total += s.quantity
                end
            end
        end
        return total
    end

resulting code

What in the fuck is this, why is my for loop so massive compared to the reduce 💀

[quartz kindle]

does lua not have for?

half of it is simulating a for using while lol

[lyric mountain]

I think it does

ya it does https://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.4.html

[sharp geyser]

It does

but for whatever reason the official roblox dev who made roblox-ts transpiles loops into while loops

💀

function ItemContainer:findSlotByItemId(itemId)
        local index = nil
        do
            local i = 0
            local _shouldIncrement = false
            while true do
                if _shouldIncrement then
                    i += 1
                else
                    _shouldIncrement = true
                end
                if not (i < self.capacity) then
                    break
                end
                local item = self.slots[i + 1]
                if item.itemId ~= itemId then
                    continue
                end
                index = i
            end
        end
        return index
    end

As you can see

    public findSlotByItemId(itemId: ItemId): number | undefined {
        let index = undefined;
        for (let i = 0; i < this.capacity; i++) {
            const item = this.slots[i];

            if (item.itemId !== itemId) continue;

            index = i;
        }

        return index;
    }

This gets turned into the above

[queen needle]

There is probably a reason

[sharp geyser]

Maybe

It could be that a while loop is faster

[queen needle]

or semantics or something

[sharp geyser]

or that translating JS/TS for loops to lua is just harder

[queen needle]

"everybody else does it this way so"

[sharp geyser]

I could ask

[queen needle]

probably this because of js being fucked

btw how is the game going

[sharp geyser]

Oh uhm

:)

Right so

https://www.notion.so/Echoes-Of-The-Eternal-Codex-23eeeeb5b2d1801cbcd8d7aa74121932 RPG game idea

Going to be a single player game making multiplayer games hurt my brain

[queen needle]

yayy

how is progress on it

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle @queen needle

This is apparently why it uses a while loop in some cases instead of a native for loop

[queen needle]

ohhh

[sharp geyser]

Right now I’m working on the inventory system

I’m trying to make it as extendable as possible so if I want to add more to the game later on it’s not a headache where I have to refactor a bunch of shit

So I’m taking a lot of consideration into designing the api

[queen needle]

that's fair

[sharp geyser]

Right now I have my own player class that I wrap around Roblox’s

It also stores a reference to the player so I don’t need to keep two player variables

[modern wind]

u

[sharp geyser]

Guys, I am laying out my inventory system and I am running into a conundrum on design

My inventory is going to be weight based, more items = higher weight. Now I can handle this 2 ways when it comes to adding items to their inventory

1. If they are at or going to be past the maxWeight when picking up an item, I refuse to give it
2. I allow them to pick it up, and any weight past the maxWeight contributes to encumbrance

Which would you guys prefer as a game mechanic if you were to play a game with an inventory system

I am more leaning towards option 2 myself since that seems to be the most "smooth" approach

Also forces a player to start thinking more on balancing weight/encumbrance

[dusk pebble]

give the player the option to keep or drop an item from the inventory

[queen needle]

i like the pokemon go inventory(from my understanding), if i have 392/400 and pick up 10, it lets me pick up 10, but no more, but if it's like 50, that's too much and it won't let me pick it up, so it just has a small threshold of items to go above limit

[sharp geyser]

I mean I dont want to put a hard limit realistically

Because realism is sure you have a "max" weight you can carry, but if need be you can carry more

[sharp geyser]

I do like this idea though

If I was to put a hard limit on weight, i'd do it this way

Allow them to pick it up so long as it doesn't go too far over the maxWeight

[queen needle]

especially if it's weight it translates to real ;ife

you carry your max, but if need a lil over your max

[sharp geyser]

I need to be careful with weight distribution though

I need to make the weight system balanced

[queen needle]

okay statistics

[sharp geyser]

Like defining what an item weighs

[sharp geyser]

r/woooosh

[queen needle]

true

[sharp geyser]

thats over my head

[queen needle]

like a distribution graph

what types of items will you have

[sharp geyser]

Weapons, Consumables (food, potions), Armor, Quest Items (which will be weightless), and maybe some other things

Misc ig is another category, such as books, trinkets, scrolls

[queen needle]

How would you make it unbalanced?

[sharp geyser]

Honestly I dont think it can be unbalanced unless I apply unrealisitc weight values

[prime cliff]

Look at other shooter games that do weight (fallout) and slot based inventory like how stuff takes up 2x2 or 1x2 grid

[sharp geyser]

So I just gotta be careful not to do that

Well its not a shooter game

but I get ya

[sharp geyser]

Yeah I was thinking of modeling it after skyrim

[queen needle]

i mean i would just think realistically

like no way an apple is half of this weapon

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

I am thinking of making apples weight like .1 or .2

[queen needle]

is it on a scale from 0 to 1?

[sharp geyser]

Nah

0-Infinity /j

Imagine picking up a sword and it's weight is : Infinite

😭

[queen needle]

(Math.random() * (item_name.length + ((Math.random() * items.length) >> 0) >> 0)```

here you go gang

random weight

[sharp geyser]

[queen needle]

random weight based on length of items name and amount of items in inventory

[sharp geyser]

Wouldn't that cause problems

[queen needle]

oh 100%

[wheat mesa]

shifting right 0 bits twice?

[sharp geyser]

Apple 1 = 5
Apple 2 = 3

[queen needle]

floors

[sharp geyser]

😭

[wheat mesa]

Is that just a poor man’s floating point to integer conversion

[queen needle]

yes

[wheat mesa]

Ah

[sharp geyser]

WEll I am poor

[wheat mesa]

Java, my favorite

[queen needle]

~~()
Math.floor()
() >> 0

[sharp geyser]

Sword of God Aetheri weight = 0

😭

But nah

I will feed my item list into chatgpt and tell it to give me realisitc weight values

Im sure it can handle 300+ items

[queen needle]

it can

or just use ai ide

boom

[sharp geyser]

True

github copilot

[queen needle]

cursor

windsurf

[sharp geyser]

never heard of it

[wheat mesa]

One of the main AI IDEs

I hate all of them

[sharp geyser]

Lmao

[wheat mesa]

They all suck

The code quality is usually pretty terrible, even with the “good” models

[sharp geyser]

For something like this it's perfect though

[wheat mesa]

Yeah since there’s no code involved 😉

[sharp geyser]

I was tempted to try and vibe code this entire game

but I decided nah I actually want it to be good

While I may not be the best programmer I can definitely do better than shitgpt

[wheat mesa]

I think using AI for new concepts isn’t terrible as long as you’re learning as you go

Letting AI come up with solutions and not understanding them is bad. Allowing your own thoughts to guide the conversation to getting to the solution you want is the key

[queen needle]

I try every new one I see and never get a difference lol, they all just produce subpar code and only do what you want if you spend more time promoting than you would writing it

[wheat mesa]

The context window is far too small for LLMs to be genuinely good without hand holding. A good SWE can guide an AI into an elegant solution, but a good SWE can also write said solution themselves

[queen needle]

I agree, if you can prompt the AI to create good code, you yourself could write the good code

My least favorite thing is seeing people use it for translations though

[sharp geyser]

Right

So I am thinking since I have 3 points of inventory

Main, Belt and Wear

Main + Belt will affect picking up items, if your maxWeight is reached, you cannot pick up an item that's too heavy, likely have a grace threshold of 5-10lb

Wear's weight will affect movement

[long marsh]

They're only terrible when not given appropriate context and augmentation from my experience.

[long marsh]

I would qualify myself as a "good SWE" for my company, and it's much faster prompting the AI and working through a plan than it is with myself coding.

[modern wind]

alguien habla español?

?

[long marsh]

My AI usage:

1. I interpret the acceptance criteria
2. I browse the code, gather context, understand execution entry and flow
3. Using something like Claude Code, in plan mode, I give it the files it likely needs to work with, the entry points for it to understand, the acceptance criteria for the current change, and ensure that a CLAUDE.md has the repository structure, development requirements (integration tests, unit tests, minimum coverage, etc.) (me)
4. Iterate on the plan, ask Claude if it has any suggestions or questions around the change / edge cases I haven't thought of, and get to a step-by-step where it finally seems correct. (me)
5. Overlook each change Claude does and ensure that it's following convention (me)
   (optional 6. auto-accept once it hits a certain point)

☝️ And I'll do this process in parallel with up to 3 changes at once using git worktrees.

[queen needle]

sometimes i'll use 2 ai's, one to come up with a plan for execution, and then one to execute

[long marsh]

Have you used Claude Code?

I would recommend it 100%

It's the only AI tool worth a damn imo

[queen needle]

uhh is that the terminal one?

[long marsh]

yeah

[queen needle]

i've not used it(the terminal scares me)

[long marsh]

It doesn't just go crazy – you approve each change iteratively unless you configure it to "auto-accept"

[queen needle]

ooh

i use https://trae.ai when i use

[long marsh]

oh interesting! I've never heard of this one

Like I've mentioned in this chat, I specialize in generative AI applications for production workloads

[queen needle]

it's by Bytedance the same company that owns tiktok

[sharp geyser]

        updatePlayerData(this.owner.userId, (data) => ({
            ...data,
            inventory: {
                ...data.inventory,
                currentWeight: this.getWeight(),
                [this._containerName]: this.slots,
            },
        }));

This is valid right?

assuming this._containerName is a valid key in the inventory object

[sharp geyser]

Well hey it works

Now I just have to make sure that the reference to the profile is also updated

Cause right now doing this.inventory it gives stale data from before the item is given

I am thinking

I have a MarkDirty method that will notify when the data needs to be updated

[lyric mountain]

Try junie

[long marsh]

I'll give it a shot – does it have a free tier?

For now, I've been using Zed as my primary editor

[lyric mountain]

Yes, but be careful with what you ask, if it's something too complex it'll result in many steps, burning your entire month quota in a day

I once asked it to help me find a way to detect intentional losses in my game, it worked pretty well but it consumed a third of the quota

[sharp geyser]

Lmao

[sharp geyser]

I hate bugs in code

[lament rock]

Sometimes, bugs become features

[sharp geyser]

and sometimes they make you wanna take a 12 gauge and do yk what

[quartz kindle]

not availble in vsc?

[lyric mountain]

Probably not since it's a jb product

[fiery crescent]

Oops, I totally thought you were a girl Turns out you are a cop got me there

[sharp geyser]

Nah I’m not a girl

[long marsh]

https://github.com/ChristopherBThai/Discord-OwO-Bot/blob/9aec92b274bae64ea078fc04540398713e7f7928/src/commands/commandList/gamble/slots.js#L159

Haha you're right @light vine ☝️ ... thanks for the reference

[light vine]

You welcome ^^

[long marsh]

It would require me to rethink my current system to do something like that though, unfortunately. May be worth it long term though.

[sharp geyser]

If your current implementation limits expansion you already did something wrong

[long marsh]

Nah there's tradeoffs – I took a specific tradeoff to be handle massive scale without much cost / overhead

This is the way my system currently works:

User types /blackjack <bet> ->
POST /discord/interactions endpoint ->
handler routes to the appropriate interaction handler (named intblackjack in this case) ->
interaction handler calls the cmdblackjack which handles business logic (checking balance, instantiating game state), returns the appropriate actions they can take (insurance, double, hit, stand, etc.) ->
interaction handler marshals the DTO to a JSON payload required by discord with the buttons / cards ->
complete

All this happens in under 3 seconds, so I don't need to call back into discord with an interaction update. I respond within the 3 second threshold.

This is using the HTTP interaction handler. No sharding. No websocket gateway. MINIMAL server overhead.

And will likely scale to hundreds of thousands of simultaneous players without problems. Which is crucial since I want to use this API to handle multiple "chatting" experiences. Twitch, Slack, etc.

[sharp geyser]

Right so what’s the issue then

[long marsh]

Since my architecture is stateless, I can't necessarily update the same message within the same execution context. If I want to send 3 separate updates to the same message, I would need to likely "queue" up something to update that message.

Keep in mind, I need to respond within 3 seconds.

What I'm trying to say is: no actual problem. Just won't work with the current way I'm doing it.

Will need to do:

User types /slots <bet> ->
POST /discord/interactions endpoint ->
handler routes to the appropriate interaction handler (named intslots in this case) ->
interaction handler calls the cmdslots which handles business logic (checking balance, instantiating game state), returns the resolved game state, "queue" up something to update the message with the rotating slots
interaction handler marshals the DTO to a JSON acknowledgement payload
complete

... (some time later) ...

the queue fires off -> goes and updates the message

And that entire "queue" process seems complex for something as simple as slots 🤣

Another option is to return a 201 acknowledgement, but continue the execution, therefor not need queuing 🤷‍♀️

Hmm... thinks for being my rubber duck! I realized I could simply just update the player's balance ahead of the emojis completing, but still render using a goroutine 🙂 thanks @sharp geyser !

Something like this:

func handler(w http.ResponseWriter, r *http.Request) {
    // Send immediate response
    w.WriteHeader(http.StatusOK)
    json.NewEncoder(w).Encode(map[string]string{
        "status": "accepted",
        "message": "Processing in background",
    })
    
    // Start background processing
    go func() {
        // This runs after the response is sent
        time.Sleep(10 * time.Second)
        log.Println("Background task completed")
        // Process data, update database, send emails, etc.
    }()
}

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

So long as you respond ahead of time

Even using the api you can edit interactions within a certain time period as well

It may not be as clean as owo bot

but people have to understand you aren't using a gateway so you can't leverage most of what others do

[long marsh]

Yeah exactly

[long marsh]

I actually think I can get it just right. I'll likely do something like this (rethinking through this again):

func handler(w http.ResponseWriter, r *http.Request) {
    // Parse request data first
    var data RequestData
    if err := json.NewDecoder(r.Body).Decode(&data); err != nil {
        http.Error(w, "Invalid JSON", http.StatusBadRequest)
        return
    }
    
    // Start processing with the parsed data
    go func() {
        log.Println("this is where I can update the message here", data.ID)
    }()
    
    // Respond immediately that we've accepted it
    w.WriteHeader(http.StatusAccepted)
    json.NewEncoder(w).Encode(map[string]string{
        "status": "accepted", 
        "id": data.ID,
    })
}

This isn't catered towards discord, but you get the idea

The goroutine that's running in the background will update the message. The initial message will have rotating emojis.

Once again, @sharp geyser (sorry for that @ yet again haha), just wanted to thank you for showcasing owo's example. It spawned this idea haha

[sharp geyser]

I didn't show it

but no problem

[dusk pebble]

this rust?

[long marsh]

Golang

[dusk pebble]

ahhh

on github?

[stark kestrel]

by sharing the code here, yes

@solemn latch worth monitoring btw, iirc that message is that typical "try my game!!!" scam

[real rose]

do i need to download code from github

[stark kestrel]

the profile also screams that

[real rose]

looks about right

i dont want to find out either

If its legit and they appeal then fair enough

(unlikely)

[stark kestrel]

would've loved to see the exe 😭

[prime cliff]

Yea something is off about that account because their Discord avatar dosen't match up with their connected youtube account avatar, the youtube one also has 3k subs with no content

[long marsh]

Maybe I'm mistaken with what you're saying. Are you asking if my project is on GitHub?

[dusk pebble]

actually was replying to the person that ask for a code review then deleted or got banned

[long marsh]

Oh haha – sorry about that 😅

[dusk pebble]

no worries, but I would like to see the code for your bot

[long marsh]

Unfortunately, it's not public or else I would love for you to take a look 🙂

It's definitely not conventional by any means

[dusk pebble]

no worries

[dusk pebble]

you use a library wrapper?

[long marsh]

I only use discordgo for the typings / structs. Other than that, no. I do my own API handling / routing and all of that

[dusk pebble]

ahhh nice

[long marsh]

Admittedly, I don't need a library wrapper for the HTTP interaction response model. It's as simple as wiring up an endpoint and having discord make POST requests to it.

[dusk pebble]

yeah

[long marsh]

If you're curious about the bot, it's simply used to gamble 🙂

[dusk pebble]

Im writing a bot to keep track of NFL game data, also has a daily command where the user can earn coins to use to place bets on games

[long marsh]

That sounds awesome!

[dusk pebble]

yeah, also adding a kind of lottery game where 3 numbers are drawn twice a day, if the member matches these numbers they get xtra coins

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle @radiant kraken after numerous bug hunts and squashing most if not all of them. The inventory system is existent and functional (somewhat)

No UI for it yet

but at the very least it's server api exists

EchoesPlayer - Wrapper for roblox's default player so I can add my own functionality: https://pastes.dev/H1wDQDI4W0
PlayerInventory - is a helper class that stores useful methods for interacting with a player's inventory: https://pastes.dev/A08FUBKqvO
ItemContainer - is a helper class for defining what a container is, this can be used for the player's distributed inventory or even chests in the world: https://pastes.dev/ESxyWfNP31

[long marsh]

What are you building?

[sharp geyser]

A game

[prime cliff]

[fiery crescent]

What are you using?

[slow flax]

which software/website ?

[prime cliff]

C# asp.net my own software

[clever tundra]

Does anyone know a status / uptime site which I can actually customise to use the response data of my endpoint? Basically I have a fastapi thing with a /ping endpoint which I use ngrok to get a URL for, and then smth like betteruptime or the other main one to show the uptime, however I want to be able to use the data from my endpoint to show like bot uptime and latency and server counts etc on the page. Does anyone know of a free one that can do this? Bonus points if you can use custom domains on it.
If not then I guess I have to go through the pain of making my own thing from scratch again

[prime cliff]

That sounds like something very custom i've never heard of status services using metadata but that sounds like a neat idea

[clever tundra]

I tried better stack and uptimerobot but uptimerobot can't use custom domains without paying, and betterstack only lets you use custom .js if you pay. Only other option is make my own and host with vercel but don't really want to spend time doing that.

The hardest part about bot development is not being able to pay for stuff. Docs? Find an alternative. Uptime monitoring? Find an alternative.

[prime cliff]

For docs stuff i use gitbooks some stuff is paid but it gets the job done and you can use custom domain but you have to use a specific setting

[digital swan]

https://astro.build/themes/details/starlight/

i've seen a lot of docs sites start using astro

[prime cliff]

I'm working on staus page stuff whoch you could try, this project is self hostable or you can use my instance.

https://github.com/FluxpointDev/DevSpace

[clever tundra]

I tried gitbook since it's the most used and well known, but custom domain (main thing I wanted) was paid. Ended up making gitbook export to GitHub and used smth called retype to turn that to html and GitHub pages hooked up to custom domain to host it

https://docs.trackerbot.xyz not finished at all but it looks ok

The only thing I dislike is how retype doesnt have the like 1 2 3 steps bit

[clever tundra]

I'll look into that, thanks

[clever tundra]

Do you have a link where I could see it in action?

[stark kestrel]

Honestly there are more than enough documentation frameworks that are free to use with custom domains

E.g. docusaurus is quite a good one

Just host it on github pages and it's more than enough

[clever tundra]

The only reason I went with what I did is because I started using gitbook, made quite a bit and then couldn't be asked to remake it on another site

[stark kestrel]

It's just markdown

[prime cliff]

Go into gitbooks, settings then organization settings and see if you have this option.
This option is your global custom domain which isnt the paid option that is being shown, it's a bit confusing i know :/

[dusk pebble]

bot approved embed should have a link to the bot page..... just a suggestion

[stark kestrel]

the mods logs channels is not an advertising board x)

[dusk pebble]

yeah true...and I see the bot id is provided

[clever tundra]

I can set a domain but if I want to publish the docs I have to pay

I also cant find that

[prime cliff]

Ah

So they fully went paid yea that sucks, i probably have legacy access

[clever tundra]

shame

ok

[clever tundra]

Ill probs use this, even tho its not a like interactive builder.

oh hold on no its a case of markdown files

[digital swan]

It’s easy peasy

It’ll be free to host too

[clever tundra]

so are my existing docs

i need to edit most if not all of the markdown in my current files to be able to work with starlight tho

[lunar flicker]

https://mintlify.com/
mintlify allows to set a custom domain for docs

[celest trail]

my bot is online at this very moment, but when adding it to other servers, apparently it is not staying online for other discord users. how can I solve this?

[neon leaf]

@solemn latch

[prime cliff]

Updated the demo of it 👍
https://devspace-demo.fluxpoint.dev/
If anyone wants to check it out.

Server management using docker, game server management minecraft/battleye/source, Discord apps with workspace builder and error logging sentry supported.

The status monitor and page stuff is being worked on.
https://github.com/FluxpointDev/DevSpace