development

[pearl trail]

follow the changes or stay in this kind of situation ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[loud canopy]

i just wont ask message intent

question

all my bot does is use

slash commands

and MAYBE i will add dms notification

what intents are those

[pearl trail]

nothing

[loud canopy]

ok

[quartz kindle]

dm intents are not priviledged, you can just turn them on in your code

[loud canopy]

and also

i need to get user's id avatar ect

is that any intent

or not

[pearl trail]

nope

[loud canopy]

ok

[queen needle]

No intent

[quartz kindle]

nope, you get it from the user object

[loud canopy]

good

if after this

[pearl trail]

unless you're listing a guild's member

[loud canopy]

like if after i give no intent

i start getting funny business

im blaming you tim

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[loud canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[quartz kindle]

step 1: turn off the intent

[loud canopy]

(im joking ofc)

[quartz kindle]

step 2: test your commands

step 3: if something doesnt work, fix it with slash commands

[loud canopy]

thing is

my whole bot runs on 1 command

told you

/login

anything else is buttons

im not a fan of either

1. 274294 commands
2. star wars intro chat

[quartz kindle]

my whole bot also runs on 1 command

its called /command

[pearl trail]

tim makes hole bot?

interesting

[queen needle]

/command <command name>

[quartz kindle]

inter seting

[queen needle]

[quartz kindle]

thats exactly what i did

[loud canopy]

but thats more than one no?

[quartz kindle]

its been years and its still that way

[quartz kindle]

no, i literally only made 1 slash command

and use it as if it was the prefix

[queen needle]

subcommands or just a match case with argument?

[quartz kindle]

before:

.abc 1 2 3
.xyz 10 20 30

after:

/command abc 1 2 3
/command xyz 10 20 30

my prefix was .

[loud canopy]

@quartz kindle im gonna make an enemy in my game and im going to call him tim

[quartz kindle]

lmao awesome

make me the final boss

[loud canopy]

what class would you like to be

rogue , mage , knight, jester, ranger

[queen needle]

Make him a jester please

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[loud canopy]

okay okay gotchu

[quartz kindle]

what does a jester even do

is it like shaco from league of legends

[loud canopy]

yes

i mean

i draw icons for the enemies myself

and i have thsi guy

[quartz kindle]

reminds me of deoxys

[loud canopy]

i made a golem

[quartz kindle]

a jester named "tim", definitely makes sense

[loud canopy]

for farming

like

this guy

someone then dmed me this

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-clash-golem-sneaky-golem-sneaky-golem-in-the-pocket-gif-2425767250376705080

[quartz kindle]

hahahah

[loud canopy]

i can hear this gif

[sharp geyser]

Nah just make Tim a computer guy

[loud canopy]

if you give me permission

i draw from ur pfp

its gonna look uncanny af

[sharp geyser]

His attacks are messing with another’s attack by rewriting the code behind it

[loud canopy]

bc i suck at drawing

[quartz kindle]

lmao, sure

[sharp geyser]

Honestly seeing a Tim laying down attacking is scary enough

[quartz kindle]

hacking real life

[sharp geyser]

Yep

Would be more Tim like than a golem

[loud canopy]

tim what country are you from

so i can make an accurate racist drop

[sharp geyser]

Uganda

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[loud canopy]

bc i had a french guy

i made him drop a baguette

that deals +999 dmg

[quartz kindle]

hahahahah

[loud canopy]

but has -99% accuracy

[quartz kindle]

well, im not brazilian but i live in brazil, so you can use the huehuehuehuehue

[sharp geyser]

Ayo?

[loud canopy]

football ball

[quartz kindle]

or a banana

[loud canopy]

i need to study brazil stereotype to make the most accurate one

[quartz kindle]

make it so when im defeated i say "huehuehuehuehue"

[loud canopy]

ok i can do that

i have dialogues for each enemy with greet, rage, defeat, victory

[small tangle]

[quartz kindle]

this is all the info you need:

[small tangle]

jester seems like a perfect fit for a tim

[loud canopy]

jester is a fun class

glasscannon build no defense with random chance of crit and random chance of crit multiplier

you either deal 5 dmg or 500

or miss 5 turns in a row

gambling addiction class

[quartz kindle]

xDDD

[small tangle]

@solemn latch ^^

[golden coral]

Hey, I wanted to ask from where you get the server_count of bots...

[queen needle]

Users submit it through it top.gg's api

[golden coral]

oh

xD

[loud canopy]

UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\u2618' in position 213: character maps to <undefined>

today i learned that if im logging an error in console

and someone's username has emojis in it i get an error bc the console doesnt accept ashi characters by default

ffs XD

@quartz kindle tell me this is good
print(f"[ERROR] {self.__class__.__name__} encountered an error: {str(error).encode('ascii', 'ignore').decode()}")

i made it ignore ascii

[pearl trail]

looks like k8s is something i can’t learn in 1 day xD

[wheat mesa]

Yeah absolutely not

K8s is a full time career

[pearl trail]

lmfao, i can see why

[oblique shoal]

The undefined final boss 💀

[neon leaf]

lame

[delicate zephyr]

[neon leaf]

not running android

[delicate zephyr]

wouldnt run android on a dedicated server like ever lmao

[delicate zephyr]

why is it so unused

[neon leaf]

cuz its one of 6

i bought it without purpose

[delicate zephyr]

why do you have 6 of them

[neon leaf]

not 6 of the same ones obv

[delicate zephyr]

surely that costs an arm and a leg

[neon leaf]

ye around 2.4k€

[delicate zephyr]

damn

[neon leaf]

not horrible

[delicate zephyr]

we got a good deal thank you hetzner

[neon leaf]

this is the main one

[delicate zephyr]

Who do you host with

or is it colo

[neon leaf]

its all homeservers

lol

[delicate zephyr]

ahhh

[delicate zephyr]

We ise hetzner

so

[neon leaf]

yea I also have like 7 servers @ hetzner

hetzner is nice

[delicate zephyr]

askes hetzner to unblock mail ports

instantly did it

they goated

[neon leaf]

ye tho most of their ips have a horrible rep

I had to fix my rep for like 6 months

[delicate zephyr]

the one we had doesnt luckily

we got a /28 tho

and 3 out of 14 ips were blacklisted somewhere

just picked one that wasnt

[eternal osprey]

bro ngl discord is getting fucking annoying with all this added bullshit

all i want is a place where i can chat, voicechat and that's it

i don't need damn quests or videos or games or whatever.

adware cuh

[delicate zephyr]

gotta remember

nothing is ever free

and if it it

either they're showing ads or YOU are the product

[queen needle]

id rather sell my data

[quartz kindle]

uhh, why? doesnt python support utf8?

[queen needle]

why python*

[loud canopy]

not by default

i have to import a library for emoji

but i cba

i just filter them out

[lean wedge]

lets go it works :D

[neon leaf]

dam https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

1.1.1.1 is down

[delicate zephyr]

explains me having issues lmao

[prime cliff]

[lean wedge]

i dont understand it at all but it looks cool

[prime cliff]

Essentially error logging aka Sentry

[lean wedge]

👍

[surreal sage]

nothing like docker image builds taking 8m

[sharp geyser]

Using docker wrong

[prime cliff]

Yea you're using docker wrong

[sharp geyser]

wtf

How is that even possible

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle whats your opinion on this code

[quartz kindle]

uh....

is that js even?

the code is as bad as yo mama is fat

[sharp geyser]

Tis not but principals behind it still remain the same

What's so bad about it tim

please explain

[quartz kindle]

idk the semantics of whatever language that is

[sharp geyser]

Its C++ technically (or GML)

[quartz kindle]

but globals = bad
switch with essentially nothing inside = bad

[sharp geyser]

Ahaha

You heard of Pirate Software?

[quartz kindle]

you heard of yandev?

[sharp geyser]

The self proclaimed 20+ year experienced game dev

That's his code

😭

[quartz kindle]

xDDD

[sharp geyser]

Even yandev is better than this dude

[quartz kindle]

i mean

the logic is easy to understand

[sharp geyser]

Tim do not even try to defend the guy

I mean sure, but its fucking terrible code that can be replaced with an if statement

[quartz kindle]

"make this a switch because i will need to add cases in the future"

[sharp geyser]

Bro heard "Switch/case fast'

and uses it everywhere

[quartz kindle]

but then he never does

[sharp geyser]

He has TONS of switch case statements that are useless

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

he also uses 2 dimensional arrays that are global and uses magic numbers to index them

[quartz kindle]

i mean

that actually is fast

but horrible to maintain

[sharp geyser]

Yeah...but he has THOUSANDS

[quartz kindle]

xDD

[sharp geyser]

😭

Not to mention

Using a map or an object is quite literally not any worse

than a 2D array

[quartz kindle]

slightly worse

[sharp geyser]

Negligable

[quartz kindle]

did you know that in js, in some cases, array.indexOf can be faster than if(obj[key])

[sharp geyser]

Well yeah

I dont know what indexOf does under the hood

[quartz kindle]

its pretty much an array.find()

but with a precompiled function

[sharp geyser]

How is that faster than a direct whatever

[quartz kindle]

exactly

[sharp geyser]

its 12am im tired brain no think of word

[quartz kindle]

just js being js

:^)

[sharp geyser]

Is it because its precompiled its sometimes faster?

[quartz kindle]

its because objects actually suck

[sharp geyser]

Interesting

[quartz kindle]

js does a whole lot of shit when accessing an unknown key of an object

[sharp geyser]

Honestly tim, how did you learn all this shit about the internals of the language and performance stuff

[quartz kindle]

its not just a simple lookup

[sharp geyser]

I try but I can never wrap my head around it

and i feel like I am missing a lot of theoretical knowledge when it comes to programming

like algos and shit

[quartz kindle]

stumble upon things i never heard about, google them, learn

[sharp geyser]

Yeah I guess

I just don't know where to start. I've really refined my basics

but I feel stuck in anything else

and going to uni for it seems pointless since I want programming to be fun and stress free

not like an obligation

[quartz kindle]

programming? fun and stress free? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sharp geyser]

Well you know what I mean

trying to meet deadlines

type shit

[quartz kindle]

well

[sharp geyser]

I want to program for myself cause thats where I found enjoyment

[quartz kindle]

tbh i never had an actual job as a programmer, so idk how it actually works

[sharp geyser]

😭

[quartz kindle]

like an office job

[sharp geyser]

Can you just implant your knowledge into my brain

[quartz kindle]

im dumb af

[sharp geyser]

Brother no

💀

I see the shit you talk about in here

r/wooosh

[quartz kindle]

im a master procrastinator

[sharp geyser]

WEll yeah still waiting on that astrology api

[quartz kindle]

exactly

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/bV9up.gif

Been waiting for like 5 years now

😭

[quartz kindle]

literally worked on it last night

[sharp geyser]

GTA 6 gonna come out before your api does

[quartz kindle]

see this is why i procrastinate so much, i hate spending hours looking at shit like this

[loud canopy]

i hate balancing

[lethal dragon]

Anyone can help me how custom css of long desc work or how we use image n here

[deft wolf]

You don't need custom css to use images there, css is used to style elements

In short, to apply css you can either use <style> tag inside which you enter your css or you can also use the so-called "inline css", i.e. the style value of individual elements

To display images you just need to use <img> tag
https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_img.asp

w3schools has an explanation of each element and examples of its use. Just remember not to use tags like <html>, <head> or <body> because top.gg already has them on their website

[clever harness]

Have anyone explained before for votes tracking?

To linking top.gg with my bot to track realtime votes and to make a leaderboard

[wheat mesa]

Honestly from what I’ve experienced so far it’s pretty chill

Every time I get a better job, things get easier

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure

But my point is I don’t want something I found love for as a hobbyist to turn into an obligation

[wheat mesa]

That’s fair

I rarely do my own projects anymore

[sharp geyser]

And that’s what I find the worst

[wheat mesa]

Mostly because of a lack of time and I want to be spending more time with family

[sharp geyser]

If I get a job in that field I’ll hardly have any time for my own shit

Which imo is terrible since that means I’m never actually doing what I want

[wheat mesa]

Part of it is the result of getting married, another part is the result of not wanting to burn out

[sharp geyser]

Yeah that’s fair

[wheat mesa]

But yeah I totally get what you mean

Make a shitty low effort roblox game and make a million dollars

Boom

Then you can do whatever you want

[sharp geyser]

Ahaha that’s not even my goal anymore. At first it was supposed to be a cash grab but my perfectionism and thirst to learn won’t let me make something half assed

[wheat mesa]

Something that you have to learn in SWE is that no system is ever perfect. It’s good to spend time on design, but ultimately you are going to run into problems you couldn’t anticipate anyways, so it’s best to not overengineer things that are not predictable

[sharp geyser]

Speaking of which I had a question about ECS if you’re available to answer

[wheat mesa]

Sure

[sharp geyser]

Ah yeah I know that. Perfectionism is probably the wrong word. It’s just I can’t stand anything that’s done half assed I wanna do it properly

Basically I’m wondering about querying

When I was embarrassingly making that game about cleaning up after animals

I had 3 components Animal, Poop and Model. I was wondering if when I needed to do something with those entities I was wondering if I needed to query for all 3 components even if I wasn’t needing any of the stored data in them

[wheat mesa]

Generally speaking, your systems will query components with either the need to access their data, or to update their data

Entities themselves are not very useful, they just denote an ID that points to a collection of components

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

It’s hard for me to form a question exactly how I want to ask it

I was basically wondering if there was a need to query for every component attached to an entity or just the components I need

[wheat mesa]

You usually don’t care about a specific entity, you care about the behavior that a component or collection of components provides

[sharp geyser]

Hm have I been using an ECS all wrong then

[wheat mesa]

For example, a physics system might query for a TransformComponent and a VelocityComponent (completely fictional, just making this up for the purpose of an example). The physics system doesn’t care about which entities this applies to, it just wants to say “Hey, your new Transform = Transform + Velocity * dt”

Systems act upon groups of specific components, hence why they query for them. They don’t usually care about the specific behavior an entity has. If you’re trying to compare it akin to something like Unity’s game scripts, the scripts themselves are components

[sharp geyser]

Ah I see

[pearl trail]

guys, i wanna ask a funny question.
is having our app manage it's load balance by itself (e.g. cassandra) the same as using k8s? as of my limited understanding about k8s rn, what k8s do is "just" picking which pod on a cluster to handle that request, while still having the request sent to the picked node. example: cf -> node a -> [pick a pod to handle]. if cf always choose node a, then it's always node a that gets traffic but with additional proxy traffic from another node.

while making an app that manages it's own load balance using pool of ips and ports of the instance, and select which instance the app to choose then proxy it. which is the same as what k8 does, but yes it increases the development time and "reinvent the wheel(?)"

or k8 is better because k8 is known for "many" users so we standardize it, production-ready, and trusted instead of giving a random app their private ips?

[lament rock]

I'd say if something exists and you trust it to do its job, you should give it a try to reduce development time. But if you have specific use cases or find that you have to bend it to your will in certain cases, it may make sense to build something that fits your needs lest you become like xkcd standards

[pearl trail]

xD, that explains enough my question. thank you for the opinion

[sharp geyser]

Is it normal to do this kinds of thing in an ecs or is this usually split into 2 systems

import { useEvent, World } from '@rbxts/matter';
import { Players } from '@rbxts/services';
import { components } from 'shared/ecs/components';

function spawnPlayer(world: World) {
    for (const [_, player] of useEvent(Players, 'PlayerAdded')) {
        world.spawn(components.Player({ player }));
    }

    for (const [id, { player }] of world.query(components.Player)) {
        if (player.Character) world.insert(id, components.Model({ model: player.Character }));
    }
}

export = spawnPlayer;

I handle both adding the Model component and Player component in the same system

I'd usually do it in the same for loop, but player.Character can be null if the Character hasn't spawned yet

[wheat mesa]

Probably fine. I’m not super well versed in the usage of ECS patterns, I just know how they work and the basic idea of using them

[sharp geyser]

Ah okay

:p

Thank you!

[pearl trail]

average goland experience

[neon leaf]

*average go experience

[pearl trail]

[sharp geyser]

average experience

[sharp geyser]

W variable name btw

s

when we gonna use the invis charcode character

[pearl trail]

eh that’s what 99% go devs use, even the official wiki

[sharp geyser]

Really

that's such a weird standard

[pearl trail]

because its not an actual average variable (like params, variables), its a receiver. it just a way to access the type, nothing else

it acts like “this” in other languages

back to personal preference ig, but yes mostly people use abbreviation for this specific case

[sharp geyser]

Ah ok

[loud canopy]

@quartz kindle how do some bots have buttons inside embeds?

and yes i default pinging you because youre the voice of truth

[delicate zephyr]

components v2

https://discord.com/developers/docs/components/overview

[loud canopy]

something tells me this isnt a thing in .py yet

[delicate zephyr]

it is

https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/issues/10192

[loud canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jumpy-jump-gif-21700259

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle You were interested in my other game, so maybe you will be interested in this one.
Current Commit history.

Currently implemented : Plots spawn at designated locations when a player joins. Player automatically claims an Unclaimed plot when they join the game. Basis for data storage is laid out, outlining player data like coins and pets and inventory.

In the attached video you will see a semi-transparent block, that is the plot itself. Player is moved there on join after it is claimed.

What needs to be done next is destroying the plot on leave, and marking the plot spawn point as unclaimed

[queen needle]

Hell yeah!!

[sharp geyser]

Still A LOT to do

but got one of the biggest headaches done

[quartz kindle]

poop wins

[sharp geyser]

Nah poop gone

stealing pets in

😏

[quartz kindle]

shame

[daring vigil]

Salutations to this messy assembly

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddy's-toy-freddy-animatronic-sigma-gif-18383648778972099528

[long marsh]

Conventionally speaking, the Go creators also pushed for smaller variable names in general

[sharp geyser]

wild concept coming from "code should speak for itself"

[queen needle]

they're giving into the 500 magic numbers

[regal nexus]

Does anyone have unreal Engine agent?

[pearl trail]

could have done this much shorter, simpler in js

[neon leaf]

would be impossible in rust™

only if you serialize and then deserialize into an intermediary type

[pearl trail]

lmao, if it's alr hard in go, p much sure it'll be much harder in rust

[neon leaf]

I mean I guess technically you could write a procedural macro (takes in raw tokens, processes them with rust code, outputs new tokens)

but thats cheating tbh

aka in real code I just construct the struct from scratch if i need to censor it (no do-it-all function sadly)

[pearl trail]

yeah, that'd be a pain if have a lot of structs and a lot of fields

[clever tundra]

It's basically finished development but we're waiting for Danny (d.py founder guy) to go through it all

Shame it's taken so long

The entire thing started February 28th I think

[deft wolf]

Discord.py will start supporting components v2? We won't be able to laugh anymore that it's taking them this long 😔

[prime cliff]

Just implement it yourself then

[deft wolf]

Yes but the average person asking on ddevs either doesn't want to or can't do it and prefers to wait until the library officially supports them. It is a bit awkward to answer “discord.py doesn't support them yet”

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle @radiant kraken Found a new bug, thankfully roblox has a way to test with multiple fake clients or I never would of found itSo it spawns both plots properly but for whatever reason, only 1 of the players get put into their designated plot

I see why now

Never I do not see why

💀

[queen needle]

💀

[craggy pine]

That's a new one.

[waxen flame]

Unsure if right channel, but I am wondering when long descriptions will have documentation for customizing the buttons and stuff.

[lunar flicker]

For label u defined the type a normal string but for description u defined the type as a pointer (*string). Why

[craggy pine]

I doubt it will. You can identify what the classes / ids are for buttons and other things using inspect or an extension and then add the .css to the long description to customize them.

[waxen flame]

I'll try that at some point

[fierce quail]

/play didi

[pearl trail]

yes, pointer is nilable. just like x?: string

[sharp geyser]

Found out why but I love fixing things only to find new problems and holes in my logic

[queen needle]

What now

[sharp geyser]

Basically when a player leaves the plot isn’t "unclaimed" or it fails to claim it when a new player joins

[prime cliff]

😄 More details and a floating jump to section bar

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle @radiant kraken May have taken an hour AND a lot of code refactoring and changing how things work, but finally I can officially state that the bug where when a player leaves and another joins the plot is not despawned / spawned again is squashed

[queen needle]

YEAH WOOO

[sharp geyser]

I honestly

Want to kick myself in the ass for how i was doing it prior

I was giving myself a bigger headache

I thought "Oh, well why don't I just use 1 SINGULAR component to represent both the plot & the plot spawn point what could go wrong"

"I can just patch the component to change the model from the spawner to the plot then back again when a player leaves"

Turns out, a lot harder than just separating them into their own components

[prime cliff]

Same xD trying to implement big things while getting as much features possible while also not breaking shit or causing more headaches down the line.

[sharp geyser]

Same here

I am not trying to make something perfect

but I don't want to regret my decision later when I realize I have to refactor 3+ things to make my one addition work

[sharp geyser]

Well while recording this I found a new bug BUT that's besides the point. It "works"

Really not sure how I can insure the player's Character exists

I mean I am already doing that in one system. Which I have this system set to run AFTER that system that ensures the player's character exists

For now it works 99% of the time, there's a very rare edge case the character doesn't exist in time

[queen needle]

when in doubt sleep your way out

[sharp geyser]

If anything I put moving them to the plot in another system

[sharp geyser]

Decided not to sleep

Squashed that new bug

Found out that task.spawn and task.defer exist, and that they do not yield the current thread like task.wait does

So I used it to wait until the character existed and moved them to the plot

It's virtually instant still, so there doesn't appear to be any latency problems

Also added a Character component separate from the Model component to better differentiate between a player's character & enemies' models

Now I sleep goodnight folks

[queen needle]

i mean as in like sleep(3000)

[sharp geyser]

Ah

Yeah you can't do that

sleep or anything equivalent yields the thread

and ECS systems can't be yielded

[sharp geyser]

Made it even better for the character & data portion

import { useEvent, World } from '@rbxts/matter';
import { Players, RunService } from '@rbxts/services';
import { getPlayerData } from 'shared/charm/datastore';
import { components } from 'shared/ecs/components';
import { SystemTable } from 'types/Ecs';

function spawnPlayer(world: World) {
    for (const [_, player] of useEvent(Players, 'PlayerAdded')) {
        const id = world.spawn(components.Player({ player }));

        player.SetAttribute('serverEntityId', id);

        task.defer(() => {
            let data;
            let tries = 0;

            while (!data && tries < 5) {
                data = getPlayerData(player.UserId);
                if (!data) {
                    tries++;
                    RunService.Heartbeat.Wait();
                }
            }

            if (!data) {
                warn(`Data not found for player ${player.Name}`);
                return;
            }

            const character = player.Character ?? player.CharacterAdded.Wait()[0];

            world.insert(id, components.Player({ player, data }), components.Character({ character }));
        });
    }
}

export = {
    system: spawnPlayer,
} as SystemTable;

Now I handle setting the data & character in the spawnPlayer system

and just do a if(!data || !character) check in any other systems that rely on the Player & Character components

[pearl trail]

guys, if aws s3 bucket have all Block Public Access settings disabled but have no bucket policy, will public users able to get the object from direct url? or we must have "principal * action get object" policy to unlock it to public?

[sharp geyser]

Pretty sure you need to set a policy that allows public access

May be wrong cause I haven't used S3 in ages

[vivid fulcrum]

c# developer discovers typescript:

that's how I wrote it before before becoming prisoner to js coding style

[pearl trail]

xD iirc that package is a port for roblox's lua

so maybe it follows the official's naming to prevent confusion

[dusky raven]

do u guys think its harder to make a discord bot in js or python and how much is the difference of performance between the 2?

[quartz kindle]

difficulty is roughly the same

js is slightly more performant than python on average

[dusky raven]

actually?

i thought js was like lighter or sum

[quartz kindle]

isnt that what i said?

performant = faster/lighter

[dusky raven]

ok stop yelling at me now

[quartz kindle]

im not yelling lol

[vagrant notch]

its kinda the same

as tim said js performs better than python but not a significant amount at least for smaller bots

[dusky raven]

python will be perfect for a ai bot

[vagrant notch]

if thats what youre making then sure go with python

for other projects though i usually prefer typescript

[prime cliff]

🙂 time to get this working fully

[vivid fulcrum]

what's your frontend framework

mudblazor?

[prime cliff]

Radzen

Has some really nice charts and table stuff

[vivid fulcrum]

cool, I've been looking for a good library. I tried mudblazor and it's clunky

[wheat mesa]

There’s nothing really special about python compared to other languages for an AI chatbot, unless you’re training from the ground up (which likely nobody is doing)

[vagrant notch]

i wanted to mention this

[wheat mesa]

You’re really just going to be making calls to some other model provider like OpenAI or Claude or whatever

[dusky raven]

Too late already started

Isnt claude like hundreds of dollas

[wheat mesa]

Use whatever language you feel comfortable with

[vagrant notch]

its pay as you go

[wheat mesa]

Depends how much you use it

All of the major AI models have API pricing that is based on how many tokens you send/receive in a month

[lyric mountain]

for 99% of the cases, your own logic will be the bottleneck long before language performance start mattering

ofc frameworks should also be taken into account, but I'd not worry about raw language performance

[wheat mesa]

I think that languages should be taken into account if you intend to scale, but if it's a personal project, just use whatever language makes you happy

[quartz kindle]

arguably even at scale it matters much less than we think

as long as its well designed and optimized, the difference between languages will not be that big

[vagrant notch]

it just depends on you, what language you prefer and what languages have a better ecosystem for what youre making

[quartz kindle]

even between js and c++ we can see differences as small as 1 to 1.3

[near pulsar]

Not sure what im doing wrong but when posting stats with top.gg I can make the request and get status 200 however the data on the page itself doesnt actually change?

[wheat mesa]

architecture is a lot more important than language choice for most applications

but it is important to choose an appropriate language for what your goal is at the end of the day

probably not going to be writing a game engine in python as opposed to C++

[quartz kindle]

js game engine here i go

:^)

[wheat mesa]

I mean... you can, just a matter of whether or not you should

[quartz kindle]

node native addon vulcan api

gg

[wheat mesa]

as an aside, I HATE parsing excel files and processing them

[quartz kindle]

but thats basically c++ and not js

[wheat mesa]

please save me from web dev hell

[queen needle]

I usually just use the standard language for the project, website typescript, ai/automation python, anything OS related like desktop app or similar I use rust

[wheat mesa]

god I wish I got to use typescript

I wish the internal libs here had jsdoc at the very least

[queen needle]

Elixir or go for backend or ts somwtimes

[queen needle]

What're you using?

[wheat mesa]

been looking through the fucking de-minified source files for props that may or may not exist in these react libs lmfao

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[wheat mesa]

I don't even get autocomplete on props because they don't have ANY typedefs or jsdoc

[queen needle]

💀

I pray for you

[wheat mesa]

I have to literally f12 into the source of the component and hunt for the props

[quartz kindle]

nothing is inferred at all?

[wheat mesa]

nope

because they don't usually put the props down as object destructuring

[queen needle]

So it's JavaScript with no comments jsdoc or example usage?

[wheat mesa]

they just put props like so

const SomeComponent = (props) => {
    const { someProp, anotherPropIWontFuckingUse, ...rest } = props;
    
    // Oh yeah and down here just because fuck you we're gonna use props.someHiddenProp instead of destructuring it above
}

so glad that my coworker is the one mainly in charge of frontend

someone would actually have to euthanize me if I had to work on that stuff all the time

[quartz kindle]

cant be worse than reverse enginnering google meet webrtc

[queen needle]

Who TF does thst

[quartz kindle]

i did

[queen needle]

Why

[quartz kindle]

for a chrome extension

[wheat mesa]

this stuff is pretty difficult to do because we aren't allowed to use pretty much ANY external libs

and there is little to no internal docs on the libraries we have

[queen needle]

What does it do

[wheat mesa]

so I'm hunting through decompiled source files half of my day

[quartz kindle]

rip

[quartz kindle]

tracking some usage statistics, but once i got it working i kinda lost interest in finishing it

lmao

[wheat mesa]

oh even better, my API types are all defined in a separate repo/project, and I'm not allowed to add new types because that would require a whole review process and upgrading the nuget package for every micro-api that uses it

so I have to make helper DTOs and so I'm using DTOs from two different projects at any given time

[quartz kindle]

rip

[wheat mesa]

still better than my last internship lmfao

[quartz kindle]

hijacking WebRTC lmao

const ___onmessage = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor(RTCDataChannel.prototype, "onmessage");
Object.defineProperty(RTCDataChannel.prototype, "onmessage", {
    get() {
        return ___onmessage.get.call(this);
    },
    set(val) {
        const fn = function(d) {
            if(d.target.label === "collections" || d.target.label === "reactions") {
                document.dispatchEvent(new CustomEvent('@_@', { detail: { type: d.target.label, data: d.data } }));
            } else if(d.target.label === "audioprocessor") {
                if(d.data.byteLength > 2) {
                    document.dispatchEvent(new CustomEvent('@_@', { detail: { type: "audio", data: "self" } }))
                }
            }
            return val(d);
        }
        return ___onmessage.set.call(this, fn);
    }
});

[queen needle]

The more you describe the happier I am Im not majoring in comp sci

[wheat mesa]

forgot you were a js wizard for a minute there

thank you for reminding me

[queen needle]

were??!

[quartz kindle]

more like a necromancer than a wizard

[wheat mesa]

comp sci as a major isn't hard

[quartz kindle]

with the amount of zombie/dead projects i have

[wheat mesa]

honestly my least favorite part of SWE is having to deal with the bureaucracy of it

[queen needle]

But the internships

[wheat mesa]

nah

this internship is sick

[quartz kindle]

what should i cook for lunch

[wheat mesa]

hindsight is always 20/20, I can complain about design decisions but it's really difficult to foresee these sorts of things when you're the one writing things

[queen needle]

meth ramen

[quartz kindle]

i think im gonna make some pasta with veggies

there isnt much else to make anyway

[wheat mesa]

the CS internship job market is kinda cooked but if you work hard you can land one

my first internship paid me 19 an hour and I drove 80 miles each day that I worked (3 days a week during the semester)

[queen needle]

I plan to be a french teacher anyway so, but I did think about comp sci for a little

[wheat mesa]

it was hard work but it paid off

got a ton of real experience

[quartz kindle]

awesome

[wheat mesa]

I have experience with actual production software now, got to be involved very closely in the process of creating new features, etc.

It was an intern mill but at the same time there's not a lot of internships that give you the opportunity to work on real software

[queen needle]

that's awesome tho

[wheat mesa]

Now my internship is at a big company, I get paid significantly more, the drive is 1/6 of what I used to drive, and I get hybrid as well

it's been a great experience so far, just wish I got the chance to work on more technical things than web dev

been pushing to be a part of a kafka project they're working on but I might have to wait until the fall before I can get involved on that

[prime cliff]

Working 🙂

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle how does Array.isArray work under the hood?

[neon leaf]

const isArray = (arr) => arr instanceof Array

mayhaps

[sharp geyser]

Ah right

Forgot instanceof is a thing

[queen needle]

It does more than that

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72412420/how-does-the-array-isarray-method-check-for-array

"
The abstract operation IsArray takes argument argument. It performs the following steps when called:

If Type(argument) is not Object, return false.
If argument is an Array exotic object, return true.
If argument is a Proxy exotic object, then
a. If argument.[[ProxyHandler]] is null, throw a TypeError exception.
b. Let target be argument.[[ProxyTarget]].
c. Return ? IsArray(target).
Return false"

[prime cliff]

^ This is why JS scares me

Also what is that an exception on a bool return function pirate software would like a piece of that

[quartz kindle]

Arrays have a hidden private field when created

It performs a branded check, similar to the in operator, for a private field initialized by the Array() constructor.

essentially something like this

class MyClass {
    #isMyClass = true;
    static isMyClass(instance) { return instance.#isMyClass; }
}

const mc = new MyClass();
console.log(MyClass.isMyClass(mc))

[neon leaf]

maybe actually convert to bool tho

(for false)

MyClass.isMyClass([])
Uncaught:
TypeError: Cannot read private member #isMyClass from an object whose class did not declare it
at MyClass.isMyClass (REPL4:3:50)

[quartz kindle]

weird

[neon leaf]

when write a better js fs libary sir tim

with larger pool for blocking operations™

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

isnt fs/promises good enough?

[neon leaf]

doesnt it only use 1 extra thread for the blocking ops?

[quartz kindle]

node has a threadpool of like 4 threads minimum

[neon leaf]

ah ok

[quartz kindle]

and i think it scales with available cpus

[neon leaf]

wasnt quite sure, since uh I havent used nodejs in about 1 year

when rust/c like streams in js

const reader = new StreamReader(fs.createReadStream('whatever.bin'))

const data = new StreamData(512) // essentially just uint8array with "fixed" length
while (true) {
  const read = await reader.read(data)
  if (read === 0) break

  console.log('Read Data: ', data.slice(0, read))
}

const reader = new StreamReader(fs.createReadStream('whatever.bin'))

while (true) {
  const len = await reader.readVarInt()

  const data = new StreamData(len)
  const read = await reader.read(data)
  if (read === 0) break

  console.log('Read Data: ', data.slice(0, read))
}

its so much more convenient in my opinion

[quartz kindle]

const stream= fs.createReadStream('path/to/your/file.txt', 'utf8');
for await (const chunk of stream) {
    console.log(chunk);
}

[neon leaf]

yea but u cant read custom sizes easily

its been very useful to me when working with tcp stuff like minecraft

since I can just read the exact packet easily

no extra logic

[quartz kindle]

ah you want to read a custom size?

you can

brb finish league game

[quartz kindle]

stream.on("readable", () => { // stream has new data
  const chunk = stream.read(512); // read 512 bytes, returns null if not enough bytes available
  if(!chunk) { return; }
});

[neon leaf]

cursed

[quartz kindle]

here's a js custom websocket using it:

    _onReadable() {
        const socket = /** @type {NonNullable<typeof this._socket>} */ (this._socket);
        while(socket.readableLength > 1) {
            let length = readRange(socket, 1, 1) & 127;
            let bytes = 0;
            if(length > 125) {
                bytes = length === 126 ? 2 : 8;
                if(socket.readableLength < 2 + bytes) { return; }
                length = readRange(socket, 2, bytes);
            }
            const frameSize = 2 + bytes + length;
            /** @type {Buffer | null} */ const frame = socket.read(frameSize);
            if(!frame || frame.length !== frameSize) { return; }
            const fin = frame[0] >> 7;
            let opcode = frame[0] & 15;
            let payload = frame.subarray(2 + bytes);
            if(fin === 0) {
                this._wsFragments.buffers.push(payload);
                if(opcode > 0) {
                    this._wsFragments.opcode = opcode;
                }
                return;
            }
            if(opcode === 0) {
                const frag = this._wsFragments;
                frag.buffers.push(payload);
                payload = Buffer.concat(frag.buffers);
                opcode = frag.opcode;
                frag.buffers = [];
                frag.opcode = 0;
            }
            this._processFrame(opcode, payload);
        }
    }

yes, its kinda cursed

lmao

[neon leaf]

so

when implement mine

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[neon leaf]

[sharp geyser]

import { LuminaColorScheme } from '../theme';
import { isLuminaColorScheme } from './is-lumina-color-scheme';
import { LuminaColorSchemeManager } from './types';

let currentScheme: LuminaColorScheme = 'dark';

export function createMemorySchemeManager(): LuminaColorSchemeManager {
    const subscribers = new Set<(value: LuminaColorScheme) => void>();
    return {
        get: (defaultValue) => {
            return isLuminaColorScheme(currentScheme) ? currentScheme : defaultValue;
        },
        set: (value) => {
            currentScheme = value;
            subscribers.forEach((fn) => fn(value));
        },
        subscribe(callback) {
            subscribers.add(callback);

            return () => {
                subscribers.delete(callback);
            };
        },
        clear: () => {
            currentScheme = 'dark';
        },
    };
}

Anyone wanna guess why this causes severe lag

hint the ubsubscribe is called 20,000 times

:))

export function useProviderColorScheme({
    manager,
    defaultColorScheme,
    forceColorScheme,
}: UseProviderColorSchemeOptions) {
    const [value, setValue] = useState(() => manager.get(defaultColorScheme));
    const colorSchemeValue = forceColorScheme || value;

    const setColorScheme = useCallback(
        (colorScheme: LuminaColorScheme) => {
            if (!forceColorScheme) {
                setValue(colorScheme);
                manager.set(colorScheme);
            }
        },
        [manager.set, colorSchemeValue, forceColorScheme],
    );

    const clearColorScheme = useCallback(() => {
        setValue(defaultColorScheme);
        manager.clear();
    }, [manager.clear, defaultColorScheme]);

    useEffect(() => {
        const unsubscribe = manager.subscribe(setColorScheme);
        return () => unsubscribe();
    }, [() => manager.subscribe(setColorScheme)]);

    return { colorScheme: colorSchemeValue, setColorScheme, clearColorScheme };
}

Found the culprit

Fixed with a simple task.defer

[neon leaf]

peak

[queen needle]

New Call of Duty looks wild

[neon leaf]

these games are stretched way too long

from 1am to 3:30am

with 20 rounds (minimum choice

[warped sierra]

im the only one able to run eval but even so, gotta have safeguards

[queen needle]

Client id redacted??

I never redacted things I just made it use tio if a none owner used it

[warped sierra]

it redacts alot more than just client id

🔒 Redacted sensitive data: DB_URI, DISCORD_TOKEN, CLIENT_ID, OWNER_ID, BOT_ERRORS, API_KEY, NODE_ENV, VERIFICATION_TOKEN_EXPIRY_MS, VERIFICATION_BASE_URL, CLEANUP_INTERVAL_MS, RATE_LIMIT_WINDOW_MS

it check similar regex patterns so anything that fits any pattern just gets redacted

[queen needle]

Idk if the command is only for you I personally don't believe in redacting, as if you expose something that is your fault for not being careful of what you run and where you run it but I understand the point

[limpid onyx]

If they have access to eval, they can bypass your redaction

[pearl trail]

guys, am i just that dumb in math or what...

that * 100000000 doesnt do anything, whether i remove it or not

[neon leaf]

have you tried converting to floating point numbers before doing the arithmetic

[pearl trail]

dang didn't knew it, had to add ::numeric to one of the var

thank you

[queen needle]

My message 🥲

I'm sorry automod

[quartz kindle]

auto mood

[queen needle]

I tried to share https://tio.run/#

[queen needle]

I had an eval but unless you were the owner it used tio(linked above) to run the code inputted

[warped sierra]

@ivory siren

[lethal dragon]

Send me bot link and just watch what can i do 🙂

[limpid onyx]

What?

[prime cliff]

Me when i add a space between each character of the token to bypass said limit

Or you know just http request it to your own api logger xD

[cinder mango]

Hey <@&817055174613794826> I have an app in review, but it's behind a paywall. I have a coupon code for you to get it for free, just need to speak with me!

Bot: https://top.gg/bot/1295547296208916500

Website: https://www.notesbot.io

[spark flint]

you should put that in the notes of your submission, and the support team can't help with that

also #support

[cinder mango]

ok thanks

[acoustic bough]

I mean you arguably must be pretty stupid to leak it regardless — would either disable eval in prod or just, well, know what you run

[frosty gale]

i wonder why websocket opcodes distinguish between text and binary payloads

they are sort of the same thing on a fundamental level

[neon leaf]

ig text is standardized to be utf8

[frosty gale]

id leave that up to the application to worry about outside of the protocol but thats just my low level thinking

[neon leaf]

yea I agree

[prime cliff]

Finally done sentry error logging, still needs a bunch of work/features but hey it works

[quartz kindle]

i dont know either, but i know it is often used to detect whether the payload is compressed or not

for example discord api sends uncompressed json as text and compressed json as binary

which libs use as a hint to whether or not they should decompress

[prime cliff]

Yea compression and also file binary data too.

[astral wigeon]

how do i check if my bot was approved

[queen needle]

You'll be notified via carrier pigeon

[lucid skiff]

so many bots are getting declined it's scaring me

[solemn latch]

If you read the bot guidelines and the "how we review" article you should have no issues.

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle so nothing major but I have found a new love for making UI in roblox.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276415351474884691/1396346677824323605/20250720-0422-28.2206716.mp4?ex=687dc0ae&is=687c6f2e&hm=215e2f49975588048985e801f4f4079caf908858f002e496e3ce0968ee9b3ff0&

Remaking https://mantine.dev in roblox as much as possible

Currently only have Container and Button (TextButton) ported over

But it's responsive

Container grows based off child elements

So it's height will grow as more elements are added

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken ^^

Thought you might be interested as well

[tiny verge]

Tes

[radiant kraken]

ayyyy hype!

great job aaron!

yeah i saw you creating that repo and organization on github

[sharp geyser]

Stalker

[radiant kraken]

yeah i stalk everyone i follow on github

(it's called github feed)

[patent bramble]

Is there an API to change a bot's status if it's only using webhooks and not gateway? 👀

[deft wolf]

I don't think so. The status is related to the gateway connection. Without it, there is no status

[patent bramble]

dang, lame

[frosty gale]

throwing this out there in case anyone can offer any tips
for some reason intermittently when i access my site running on nginx with a letsencrypt cert i am getting this error in nginx logs:
2025/07/20 10:06:18 [crit] 3003836#3003836: *5722 SSL_do_handshake() failed (SSL: error:0A00006C:SSL routines::bad key share) while SSL handshaking, client: xx.xx.xx.xx, server: 0.0.0.0:443
from the browser/curl perspective you get an ssl error:
curl: (35) schannel: failed to receive handshake, SSL/TLS connection failed
but right after a refresh the site works completely fine, so i have no idea what could be wrong with my ssl config if that

has been happening for months and its starting to drive me insane

the only thing i saw on stackoverflow was that its probably russian hackers hitting my site but im not russian unless theres something i dont know 😕

ssl labs also gives me a good score

strange issue

[vagrant notch]

i think i experience this some times as well but usually only on one device and its fine after i clear cache

have you tried on other devices

[neon leaf]

🔥🔥🔥

[frosty gale]

yep, i think i isolated it to windows devices, but not sure if its all, when i try doing it on linux the curl always succeeds, its always on windows where its having issues

its such a bizarre issue i am absolutely stumped, and on top of that nginx claims that the client closed the connection but curl claims that the server closed it?

maybe i can get some info running a wireshark on it, but im definitely trusting nginx at this point

actually same issue is happening on termux on my android, now im fully confsued

wireshark it is i guess

[neon leaf]

that sounds like a common 2 servers 1 port problem

may be running another server without knowing

[frosty gale]

that would explain a lot, i'll do some more digging on that

[thin dome]

this error occurs because safari 6 / iOS 6.0.1 to safari 8 / OS X 10.10 clients do not support TLS 1.3 at all. So if your server requires or aggressively prioritizes TLS 1.3, it can break compatibility with older clients even if TLS 1.2 is supported.

[frosty gale]

yeah i figured after looking into it further, not related to the issue at hand it seems

[thin dome]

can you elaborate why it is not related to the issue?

[frosty gale]

ah i thought you meant something else, but i did try disabling tls 1.3 fully and only leaving tls 1.2 and the issue seems to persist

confirmed it was disabled via ssl labs

will see if i can find anything interesting on wireshark but it does look like im only running one ssl server, nginx config also looks fine

$ sudo lsof -nP -iTCP:443 | grep LISTEN
nginx   3163374     root    7u  IPv4 11517713      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN)
nginx   3163375 www-data    7u  IPv4 11517713      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN)
nginx   3163376 www-data    7u  IPv4 11517713      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN)

$ sudo ss -tlnp | grep :443
LISTEN 0      511          0.0.0.0:443       0.0.0.0:*    users:(("nginx",pid=3163376,fd=7),("nginx",pid=3163375,fd=7),("nginx",pid=3163374,fd=7))

[prime cliff]

I think you're just micromanaging something that shouldnt really be micromanaged?

[thin dome]

Got it. Tell me which OpenSSL version you are using because TLS 1.3 is only supported in OpenSSL 1.1.1+ so if it's still active, you may need to recompile NGINX or alter your NGINX build or use a different method to disable TLS 1.3. Also check if you are using a reverse proxy or CDN because a proxy terminating TLS with TLS 1.3 enabled might interfere with NGINX if the backend doesn't match expected settings.

[frosty gale]

what do you mean?

[prime cliff]

Noones really gonna care about supporting older safari versions unless they complain

[frosty gale]

using debians openssl

$ openssl version
OpenSSL 3.0.16 11 Feb 2025 (Library: OpenSSL 3.0.16 11 Feb 2025)

although i did try disabling tls 1.3 as mentioned before and the issue did persist, so not sure if thats the cause here, but i did confirm it was fully disabled

as for reverse proxies or cdns, im not using cloudflare, the only thing i have is a hetzner firewall -> directly to nginx -> nginx routes to app via proxy_pass

[frosty gale]

oh i wouldnt care either lmao the issue is that its happening to me and other clients as well

so all modern browsers and operating systems which is very unusual

[prime cliff]

So then it's something else nothing to do with ssl or older browsers then

If it was an ssl issue you would usually get a browser warning too

[frosty gale]

for some reason i cant replicate the issue on my wsl on the same machine, but on my android termux and chrome/brave on windows it keeps happening

yeah and its intermittent too which makes things much more confusing

its like a dice roll whenever i make a request for it to happen

[prime cliff]

What's your domain or what are you trying to test?

Also are you using Clouflare maybe it's a ssl setting that needs fixing

You could also use cloudflare ssl certs instead of lets encrypt too

[frosty gale]

i was originally on namecheap but switched over to cloudflare, both had the same issue, although i am hesitent on moving to cloudflare

i did do a wireshark and for some reason it looks like the failing request attempts to use tls 1.0?? it would explain why it would fail but im not sure the client tries to use tls 1.0 right after successfully using tls 1.3, will try look into this

i wonder if temporarily enabling tls 1.0 on my server will fix the issue, only to debug

[prime cliff]

Depends what program you're using it will check tls 1.0 and then upgrade to a newer version or can be forced to use a specific tls version

[thin dome]

I see. Make sure you are using secp256r1 as the curve which is widely supported and OpenSSL 3 introduces provider architecture so disable default providers which can block certain ciphers or curves. You should also double check for conflicting ssl_ directives because sometimes they can be set in both http {} and server {}. Last thing you can try is disable TLS 1.3 at OpenSSL system level.

[thin dome]

log tls protocol version

in your log_format in NGINX add
log_format tlsdebug '$remote_addr - $ssl_protocol - $ssl_cipher - $status';
and use it in your access log
access_log /var/log/nginx/access.log tlsdebug;
now you'll see if a request came in as TLS 1.0 or not.

[thin dome]

don't do it it's insecure, deprecated, and rejected by most browsers and compliance standards.

[frosty gale]

i understand, but only to test to see if it would solve the issue

[frosty gale]

i will try this, but it does look like it does an actual hello as tls v1.0 during the failing request in wireshark

and it doesnt try to follow it up with tlsv1.3, i have no idea why it would do this

i notice the issue tends to happen with rapid subsequent requests

[thin dome]

it does not follow up because its not supposed to

its supposed to fall back from tls 1.3

not the other way around

[frosty gale]

though now i did force tls 1.3 with my curl client and it does send the request under tls 1.3 but still fails, hmm

i wonder if this is something to do with some kind of tls connection reuse config, i can now reproduce it almost every time when i do an initial request and immediately try another request, will see if i can disable tls reuse to see if it helps

[thin dome]

I just told you that the clients do not support 1.3 but 1.2

[frosty gale]

my curl and browser does support tls 1.3 fine but the issue persists, i have also tried to force tls 1.2 but the issue still happens on tls 1.2

[thin dome]

I told you what to do if it still persists on 1.2

[thin dome]

this.

and if it still shows 1.0 or 1.1 in wireshark just log it

to make sure

[frosty gale]

i see what the underlying issue is now after looking at wireshark dumps, for some reason sometimes when establishing the TLS connection, the server doesn't send a serverhello and sends a fin effectively ending the connection

i cant see how the issue would be to do with the ciphers or protocol if it happens intermittently, if it happened consistently then sure

i wonder if this is some strange hetzner or server config bug that goes beyond nginx

i'll run a wireshark trace on the servers end, its possible the hello's are being lost somehow

[frosty gale]

i've fed the dumps into chatgpt, if its some rate limiting that's happenign somewhere that would explain a lot as to why nginx thinks the client closed the connection while the client thinks the server did

[frosty gale]

it looks the problematic https request doesnt even receive a clienthello from the servers perspective, i'll test this from my work pc and network and if the issue persists, im starting to think hetzner has some kind of weird dos protection that drops the packets

[warped sierra]

im making a client bot rn. its finished but i got 2 hrs left soooo, made a animated ping command because im so bored

https://synz.rocks/uploads/Up7CkD7ABR.gif

[vivid fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/cover-page-hacker-man-gif-25175829

[wheat mesa]

discord API ratelimits are gonna love this

[warped sierra]

yes they will

i mean its for a private server so not really gonna be an issue

none of them will be checking the ping

[slender wagon]

I have a feature that analyzes chat conversations (usually 30 minutes to 2 hours long). During live chats, I cache the messages temporarily, then periodically dump the cache into JSON files to clear memory. After the chat ends, I run AI analysis on the complete conversation stored in the JSON. This works fine.
Now I'm building a website to share these processed chats, but storing them as JSON files isn't ideal for a web platform. After the AI finishes processing, should i
Delete the JSON and save everything to a database, or
Keep the processed chat content on a CDN?

The chats are finalized after AI processing and won't change anymore. I'm trying to figure out the best approach for serving this content which is basically static to users on the website.

[quartz kindle]

if its displayed statically then a file is better than db

do you use ssr?

is the json file loaded server side or client side?

you could store them in a folder configured to be served as static files by your webserver, and add caching headers to them as well

[slender wagon]

Yes but i plan on scaling

So a cdn would be great

They aren’t that expensive

[quartz kindle]

shouldnt be expensive unless your files are huge

[slender wagon]

The only problem i was thinking was the pfps since they change and the likes (the messages can have likes) so im guessing i save the message id, content and user id and display the other things slowly?

[quartz kindle]

pfps can be served directly from discord's cdn

[slender wagon]

Ye so all i need is their user id

And then i can store the likes in db linked to messages that have likes

Thats confusing

But sounds good in my mind

[quartz kindle]

yeah just be sure to add caching if possible

specifically browser caching with etags

[slender wagon]

Cdn has that by default but if u are talking about the rest of the site

I will really need caching

[slender wagon]

I could be wrong?

[neon leaf]

why is it so easy to aquire tech debt

u write code in a rush once and suddenly modifying that code and everything around it is awful and will never get fixed due to it being annoying to

[prime cliff]

You just have to get good at reworking and organizing code better, i'm getting a bit of tech debt but i have it fairly organized

[neon leaf]

yeah, my debt is in places I think Ill never have to modify again

and then I have to modify them

[lament rock]

It's easier to write code than delete it

[patent bramble]

AI

[wheat mesa]

the age old question for software engineers

good architecture from the start tends to acquire less tech debt in my experience

de-couple your services as much as possible

[patent bramble]

IMO testing without properly implementing does it too

"eh, this works, let's just slap it into a function and ship it"

[wheat mesa]

I'd say it's more of an architecture question

[patent bramble]

lack of knowledge of a certain matter can accelerate it. Hacking code together

[wheat mesa]

There's stupid tech debt which is more like "this is a bad practice and I know it but I don't care right now", then there's genuinely bad tech debt like "I designed this system poorly from the start, now it would be hell to redesign"

[patent bramble]

yeah for sure

[wheat mesa]

e.g. making a giant monolith application for a web app when a few micro backends/frontends would be a better choice for modularity and team collaboration

system design is underrated and underappreciated

[lucid skiff]

not sure where to but suggestions, but one i have is to somehow provide an average decision time of bots by taking the average elapsed time from submission to decision of the last 10 bots or something like that

just suggesting this because it seems to be taking longer than 2 weeks 😔

[wheat mesa]

Unfortunately this isn’t going to be a very useful metric. Bots are reviewed by a small team and often times the average review time is not consistent enough to give an estimate

Giving time estimates makes users upset when the actual time is longer than the estimate, and overestimating timing to compensate makes users angry with feeling like it’s going to take a long time

[lucid skiff]

ah i see that makes sense

(don't worry, im not angry its taking longer than usual, more just paranoid something will break last-minute)

[radiant kraken]

has anyone here used alacritty? what do you guys think of it?

[warped sierra]

i just made a error look up for my support bot and i like it ngl. I've never actually used modals before this
https://synz.rocks/uploads/nxCbljCLGK.gif

[sharp geyser]

How the fuck does pnpm link work

Like both local and global linking don't do shit

The test project still can't resolve the package for either

and now I feel like i've fucked it up beyond repair cause it wont even unlink now

[quartz kindle]

pnpm is a scam

its cool in theory but in practice it has so many issues its not even funny

[sharp geyser]

but blazingly fast 🚀

but yeah no im realizing that

I first swapped to pnpm because it's features seemed cool

but like you said in theory

in practice its becoming a huge issue

[quartz kindle]

did the same years ago

regretted it so much i went back to npm and never looked back

i tried yarn as well

[sharp geyser]

yeah yarn was meh

I'm thinking of swapping to npm again as well

[sharp geyser]

legit npm fixed it

npm link & npm link package-name

💀

[warped sierra]

I used yarn for like 2 years before just going back to npm

[long marsh]

Everyone comes back to npm in productionalized systems.

[lament rock]

Still using yarn

ik npm got its perf fixed just using yarn packages

[loud canopy]

im trying to make a filter for crafting recipes using modals

rn it just levels but i want to add like "can be crafted" , "class specific" , "slot specific"

shouldn't be that bad <= clueless

[vagrant notch]

I mostly use npm but Ive switched to bun recently and its quite nice

but for most things npm is better

[sharp saddle]

is there a way to set Rich Presence using browser?

using oauth2, or something?

[civic scroll]

ik why i'm in css jail

[sharp saddle]

lol

[civic scroll]

i wish there's a cleaner way - will do later in optimization stage

[sharp geyser]

wtf is this

[sharp saddle]

Cleaner way: Don't use css

[wild valley]

no, not neccesarily if you would want to set a rpc for ur bot it would have to be coded. so to answer ur question , no there isnt a way to set rich presence using browser. im not sure if ur talking about an bot or ur rpc.

[prime cliff]

You technically can but you need to run a program on your computer that uses Discord and the website can communicate with said program to set your Discord clients status

There was a service that did this but for some weird reason i can't find it on google

Ah that was it premid https://premid.app/ they have a lot of website specific rpc status like youtube, instagram, etc

[sharp saddle]

not a bot, i mean on a website

[prime cliff]

@sharp saddle

[sharp saddle]

ok, i'll take a check

[prime cliff]

You can use browser extensions to use IPC to communicate with your Discord client, so just develop your own extension i guess 😄

[wild valley]

or he could use the extension thats already made yeah premid works!

[quartz kindle]

what the fuck

i mean, it actually makes sense if you pay attention

but it looks terrible at first hahaha

[civic scroll]

ik

it's so bad that i think there must exist a better alternative

[quartz kindle]

well you could make your own variable with that, at least you dont pollute your classes

[prime cliff]

There is technically .less that lets you put css inside each other
.class1 {
.class2 {
}
}
Depends on what lang/lib you use to convert that to css though

[quartz kindle]

you can already do that with pure css

[civic scroll]

yes, css supports that now

[quartz kindle]

in the most recent browsers

which honestly what took them so long

fucking finally

and most frameworks should support that in raw css files and still transpile it for older browsers anyway

[lyric mountain]

they had to wait the old man to die (IE)

[quartz kindle]

didnt old man die a decade ago already

[lyric mountain]

nah, 3 years ago

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[queen needle]

The best alternative would be @apply with custom css variables at that point I think

[lyric mountain]

nice, node path renderer seems to be working perfectly

recursion ftw

while we're at that, does anyone know any tabletop map backdrop creation tool to recommend?

[neon leaf]

please end me (I am reboxing a box to downcast it back to a box)

punishment for not using async everywhere yet

[quartz kindle]

reboxing a box back to a box

[neon leaf]

yes

this happens when you work with dynamic data in rust and just want to get it done quick

[pure vessel]

There have to be a better way to do this

[quartz kindle]

looks pretty normal

the most you could do would be something like ```js
const user = pk.d.user;
const tag = user?.primary_guild;
if(!user || !tag) return;

[pure vessel]

thanks

[delicate zephyr]

and

switch (event) {
  case "":
  case "": {
  } break;
}

using ors can getting annoying

[quartz kindle]

ye if you have a long list

[delicate zephyr]

I got into the habbit of just refusing to do ors/else ifs

lol

[limpid rain]

hi

[vagrant notch]

this morning i pushed a change that broke one of the key features of my service and i had no idea until now (its night time) 💔

[raven token]

for this, it is necessary for users to immediately report errors that they have noticed. Even if it seems like an error to them, but it is not an error, then let them still write. Thanks to users, you can see a lot "from the outside"

[vagrant notch]

yeah i found out when someone told me about it

but still quite tragic

it was just a save button that was broken

its supposed to be disabled if theres no detected changes

but it stayed disabled even after changes were made

so someone asked me whether it has autosave

and then i realized the mistake i had made

[quartz kindle]

nice try scammer

[lyric mountain]

aight, update on the generation thing

now it highlights only paths reachable by the player

I need to make a path's color consistent lmao

[long marsh]

Just landed a new job 😄

[neon leaf]

congrats

[long marsh]

The pay is wild $225k/yr 😮

[neon leaf]

america?

[long marsh]

Yeah ofc. To my knowledge, it's the only country that pays this much haha

[neon leaf]

yea, what I was thinking too

[long marsh]

My skill is purposed to Generative AI / building agentic workflows ... so it makes sense for the company imo

I'll likely build them something that makes millions of dollars...

[quartz kindle]

hey if you need an assistant let me know xD

[wheat mesa]

Man I WISH

[prime cliff]

Average game of league

[neon leaf]

I was today years old when I found out my app isnt leaking memory, its just really fragmented

switched to jemalloc, will see if it helps

[long marsh]

Are you US? We've talked before about this, but I admittedly forgot 🤦

Texas maybe?

[wheat mesa]

Yup

I’m an intern rn, hence why I don’t make 200k a year lol

[patent bramble]

Does Discord not have an API to get a list of members with x role? Only way I see to do this currently is to pull every member of a guild and check them for the role. All fine until you start reaching guilds with 10k+ members. Also doesn't really help if the guild is popular and members are always joining/leaving, might skip over some since it'll definitely end up getting rate limited.

[knotty night]

I don't think they do unfortuantly

[warped sierra]

use member updates to track it rather than doing it all at once

if you are doing large checks then split it into chunks

Listen to events like:

guildMemberUpdate (to track role changes),

guildMemberAdd / guildMemberRemove.

use cache where you can

[patent bramble]

Dang I should've specified. I'm not using gateway, just webhooks and HTTP lol

You aren't wrong about the events, but I can't use those here lol

[long marsh]

I'm using this as well

[quartz kindle]

theres really no way to accurately track roles, but to get members in bulk you can connect to the websocket only to retrieve those and then disconnect, its cheaper and faster than using the rest api

[patent bramble]

My problem is that if I need to do this for one guild but my not is in thousands, it's going to be quite difficult to do this. Unless you can connect to specific guilds only instead of shards, but I don't think Cloudflare workers will support this.

The goal is a webhook only bot. It's dumb that I can't get the list of members with a role from the not API but users can from the user API.

[quartz kindle]

you can connect to a single guild only, there is a trick for it

you need to spawn a shard with a large shard count value (i believe the limit is 32 bit unsigned int), and calculate the shard id based on the guild id

the issue is you can only do this 1000 (2000+ for large bots) times per day, due to shard identify limits

[feral aspen]

hi~ how do y’all store your .env values?

since we don’t push them to github, how do you make sure they’re available when pulling the repo on another device?

do you keep them in google drive, a usb, or something else?

[knotty night]

I just copy and paste them from my VSC

So I just make a new file on the production machine wether it be, shared web hosting, vps, vds

Even though they are not stored on GitHub, when pulling the latest from GitHub it will not delete the file

[feral aspen]

I think I should have both .env (ignored) & .env.example (pushed w/ empty values), correct since it's best practice?

[feral aspen]

issue is~ I want somewhere to store all the env values

i was told a password manager like 1password is good?

[small tangle]

I do that for my projects

Oops ping

[feral aspen]

Do you also copy-paste your env values?

[neon leaf]

I also do that, yes with copy paste

[stark kestrel]

Thanks a ton @radiant kraken 🔥

Will test while in the train later today ^^

[quartz kindle]

i use bitwarden

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

but i also have all my code mirrored/synced into a Mega cloud storage

[radiant kraken]

i genuinely didn't expect you looking at my project lmao!

[feral aspen]

ah fair~ they don't have a free plan tho

[quartz kindle]

they do

[stark kestrel]

Funnily I have a fair use-case for it and remembered it :)

[feral aspen]

oh wait - i was looking into the business tab

mb

[neon leaf]

the free plan is very generous, just no 2fa support afaik

[quartz kindle]

im using Ente for 2fa now, after Authy shutdown their desktop client

Ente is pretty nice, they have mobile, desktop and web clients so you can access your 2fa from anywhere

they also have a privacy-focused image hosting service

[small tangle]

Mostly

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle sir, do you have anything planned on <t:1753639200:F>

[quartz kindle]

lmao idk yet

[neon leaf]

mm, you should totally join my mc event

[feral aspen]

I'm just needing a solution to store the .env values for different projects.

I'm using Google Authenticator for 2FA generation for all my accounts.

Anyhow, I'm going with Bitwarden; 1Password & Nordpass lack in some features.

[quartz kindle]

cool

you can also selfhost your own bitwarden

they have a free open source server

[neon leaf]

and a rust alternative 🔥🚀

[quartz kindle]

of course the crab strikes again

xD

[quartz kindle]

maybe, who knows

[neon leaf]

mm, if you look at prizes you may consider

discord is on my website

[feral aspen]

how does that differ than storing on their server?

[neon leaf]

you get all paid features

and you have all data on ur servers

[feral aspen]

ohh, so i don't pay for the paid features if i self host?

[neon leaf]

yes

[feral aspen]

alr, i'll look into the docs then

[neon leaf]

crab version https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

[quartz kindle]

its mostly for privacy freaks who refuse to hand over their data to third parties

you just have to manage your dafa yourself and the risks it imposes (like your vps terminating you and not giving your data back)

[neon leaf]

user.0.0 🥀

[arctic kernel]

I also do. Bitwarden is great and free. I do pay for a family plan

[covert gale]

i just pay for bitwarden, it's extremely cheap

i'd rather not lose all my passwords because of a bad rm -rf or something alike

[sharp geyser]

Wow wtf that is cheap

💀

[covert gale]

yeah, its actually crazy

[sharp geyser]

When did bitwarden become that cheap

I remember it being expensive asf

[neon leaf]

well, that would be a massive skill issue for not doing backups

[covert gale]

even with backups sometimes stuff can happen :p

[neon leaf]

yea I also dont selfhost bitwarden anymore

[covert gale]

unlikely but something could happen that knocks off your homeserver and backup at the same time

[stark kestrel]

i use proton pass, free, simple and convenient

[covert gale]

there's also the whole thing with that a vulnerability in vw is more likely just due to being open source and the ability for bad actors to submit real prs that could introduce vulns

see: xz situation

[prime cliff]

Oh dam bitwarden actually lowered their prices a lot wtf

[covert gale]

i'd rather just pay the 10$/yr or whatever it costs rather then deal with all that stuff

[sharp geyser]

Yeah, I was shocked to

[stark kestrel]

@radiant kraken now i understand what you meant with the size of the files

[radiant kraken]

now imagine if i were to include 20 more precompiled binaries

[stark kestrel]

Small question though, haven't used the lib a lot - won't be that huge the resulting compiled binary?

[radiant kraken]

no

it's just the git history making it big

[stark kestrel]

lovely