development

[quartz kindle]

do you own the store?

i would argue you own the bot in the sense that the bot and the brand the bot represents belongs to you

[sharp geyser]

Sure, but then if the building ownership changes and that building no longer wants you there

until you have a new place your business isn't functional

You own the idea and the effort behind it

My argument was never the bot isn't yours

its that what holds it isn't

Discord shuts down, bot gone.
Store changes ownership, store gone

[quartz kindle]

store can always relocate

discord has competitors :^)

[sharp geyser]

Right

I guess my argument was misplaced or something

All I am trying to say is discord has every right to enforce rules on their platform you are on

If they want you to price match, thats their right to do so since you are developing on their platform

You are more than welcome to take your code elsewhere

[quartz kindle]

copies the entire discord platform just to run my bot

[sharp geyser]

xD

[queen needle]

You'd do this

[wheat mesa]

You wouldn’t download a car

[quartz kindle]

jokes on you

[sharp geyser]

jokes on you

I already did

[empty abyss]

Discord doesn't allow me to monetise on Discord in my country lol. So I have to use an external provider

I think you misunderstand

My country (New Zealand) is not on that list lol

No amount of mod guidance will make that appear

[sharp geyser]

They are a scammer

Don't click any links they post

[empty abyss]

Gotcha

Everyone wants into the bots 😦

My server logs are full of this nonsense

3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:19:219 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/config.js - /api/config.js - GET - 141.101.97.113
3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:20:220 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/config/config.yml - /api/config/config.yml - GET - 172.69.222.123
3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:20:220 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/config.env - /api/config.env - GET - 172.69.222.123
3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:20:220 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/objects/codes.php.save - /api/objects/codes.php.save - GET - 172.69.222.123
3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:21:221 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/shared/config.env - /api/shared/config.env - GET - 172.69.222.123
3|backend  | 2025-07-05 18:02:21:221 error: 404 - Not Found - /api/shared/config/config.env - /api/shared/config/config.env - GET - 172.69.222.123
3|backend  ```

Just make your own bot lol. It's probably easier than trying to steal one XD

[sharp geyser]

just crawlers

[quartz kindle]

you can ban those ips

[pearl trail]

xD

[quartz kindle]

gotta hide the envs

mine are full of wp-admin stuff

lmao

[pearl trail]

lol yeah i got that too, i just grep the env

crawlers crawling env meaning someone actually had their env exposed to public 💀

[quartz kindle]

probably tons of people did

[queen needle]

I might Idk

[loud canopy]

guys

i may be new but i just discovered that discord users that don't set their avatar

don't have an attribute in their avatar.url

so if you try to make embeds with avatar.url it gives you an attribute nontype error 😭

[lament rock]

I wonder if I should make fake routes for these that supply totally incorrect info

[pearl trail]

LMAO that’s a great idea

[azure trench]

i learnt a hard lesson today

https://prnt.sc/U6vsKko7vepW

turns out i was storing the entire embed in my database

and realised if a million cards became owned just how much overhead/diskspace that would be had to rewrite the entire logic to index all metadata

which is funny coz it was the same thing i did years ago when i was 15 but had even less idea what i was doing

https://prnt.sc/C5jyaNGEB1JH

literally every piece of info was being stored rather than a a bunch of intergers representing the card metadata 😮‍💨

am smooth brain

[autumn geyser]

[azure trench]

managed to shrink my card data by 80%

by indexing

im so dumb i swear

4x more cards with the same diskspace/overhead

[quartz kindle]

yes, when they dont have an url, you need to replace it with one of the default discord avatars

check this https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/14h7rtv/discord_default_profile_pictures/

[quartz kindle]

time strings can be stored as milliseconds, and if you want to go even further, UUIDs can be converted to binary and stored as a blob

[neon leaf]

I love abusing pg_crypto for everything

🔥

[quartz kindle]

nice

[azure trench]

binary crossed my mind i just know nothing

so i didnt know if it would work

thanks for this btw

[long marsh]

That's an interesting take – I prefer pushing more logic into my application than using database functions / jobs

Not that what you're doing is wrong ofc

[neon leaf]

I used to do that, do everything locally so I dont need any special db setup etc

[long marsh]

What changed?

[neon leaf]

but Ive slowly gone away from that since its just a CREATE EXTENSION "pg_crypto";

and its nice for stuff like sessions so I can search sessions from the db instead of having to fetch and decrypt

[long marsh]

At scale, I've been bit in the ass by letting folks run wild with postgres extensions / scheduled jobs.

Hard to know what's going on when custom extensions are running all over the place. For a single-dev project though, it's totally fine.

[neon leaf]

well im definitely not gonna mess with schedules, those are just going to be confusing

[long marsh]

It's also fine if the agreed upon extensions are judicially chosen tbh

[long marsh]

On that note, do you run scheduled/cron jobs for anything? And if so, do you leverage FaaS using CloudFlare / Lambda or do you just run them in your domain code?

[neon leaf]

I havent gotten to cron jobs yet, I will just run them on the "primary" application monolith

[long marsh]

Are you using a monolith framework?

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/pterodactyl-rs/panel
a single big rust app for the backend

[long marsh]

Good on you for learning Rust – I'm not going to touch that language with a 10ft pole haha

The closest language I'll get to being that low is GO – and it's still fairly high

[neon leaf]

eh, rust with tokio and sqlx is definitely lower but not really low

you dont have to worry about memory management either way, like go

compiler does all the checking for you

[long marsh]

oh really?! I was under the impression that the rust purists managed their own memory.

Side question for anyone out there:

• Do you all have a preferred wiki technology / documentation framework for publishing discord bot documentation?

I'm hitting a point where I need to start documenting the commands and various ways to use them in a consolidated fashion.

[neon leaf]

oh hell nah, rusts borrow checker does it all for you, dropping, borrowing, etc.
it is practically impossible (like 1 very specific edge-case currently being fixed) to get a memory error without using unsafe { code

[long marsh]

Great to know! That gives me a little inspiration to go down the rust route at some point haha

I guess, at the ending of the day, it's less about the language and more about the use case I'm currently building for. For example, if I'm building a web application that won't hit substantial scale, I'll just do NextJS and build everything in-house within the framework.

I just haven't needed Rust for anything – I don't build for that type of scale ... and I'm happy to not deal with it haha

[neon leaf]

👍 its best to always use the lang you are most comfortable with

for me thats rust and typescript

[long marsh]

Basically, my mental:
-> I need top-tier performance for scale? Go.
-> I need an easy drop-in solution for a front end? NextJS
-> I need an easy drop-in solution for a front end that isn't tied to vercel? not sure
-> The company I'm working for is all typescript? TypeScript for everything I guess
-> I'm building something AI related? Probably Python ... not for the speed but for the open source community projects behind it
-> I'm building a CLI? Go.
-> I'm in a CI/CD context? Python for glue ... easy to understand for everyone
-> I need a database? Postgres.
-> I need to deploy infrastructure? Open Tofu or AWS (if company is fully AWS)

[warped sierra]

Honest opinion, do you think this help command properly explains how to use the config commands to like an idiot whos never used a bot?

[clever tundra]

Yes

[quartz kindle]

my mental:
-> I need top-tier performance for scale? JS (c++ node addon for heavy things).
-> I need an easy drop-in solution for a front end? JS
-> I need an easy drop-in solution for a front end that isn't tied to vercel? JS
-> The company I'm working for is all typescript? JS with JSDoc
-> I'm building something AI related? JS (jk i dont work with AI)
-> I'm building a CLI? JS.
-> I'm in a CI/CD context? JS
-> I need a database? SQLite.
-> I need to deploy infrastructure? definitely not AWS

xDDDD

[long marsh]

Oh interesting – you use JS + JSDoc over TypeScript?

Also, not sure your disdain for AWS?

[neon leaf]

dw I will find a way to get you to like rust

[long marsh]

JS is definitely fine, but I personally just think that language sucks

[quartz kindle]

yup, i like it much more

[quartz kindle]

stupidly expensive and overcomplicated

[long marsh]

My entire professional career has been in AWS, building on top of AWS, and cost optimizations for AWS. Once you narrow down AWS to it's select 5 - 10 services that actually matter ... it's not really complicated.

So I'm biased 🙂

[quartz kindle]

and the pricing?

[long marsh]

If you know what you're doing, the pricing is abysmal / comparable to other vendors.

But yeah, it's a trap for inexperienced engineers.

I'm not going to deny you there.

[quartz kindle]

every single thing they have has scaling pricing, a single mistake and resource leak can cost a lot

i prefer paying a fixed price for fixed resources

[long marsh]

That's totally fine too

[quartz kindle]

for example my $5 vps at hetzner

[long marsh]

When you're running things at scale that requires coordination amongst different departments / teams ... AWS is the CLEAR winner.

[neon leaf]

I may have spent many hours doing infra from scratch, but I saved much more money by doing so, with the same uptime

[long marsh]

It's basically the Walmart / insert mega shop chain here of cloud vendors.

[long marsh]

People tend to over complicate things, and the same can be said for infrastructure management. In AWS, all you really need is an EC2 instance (start with a micro/nano) and you can manage your own TLS using something like Caddy.

As you scale (more requests, more ram, more CPU etc.) you can stretch the same instance or go to a model of horizontal scaling. If you're doing horizontal, it's easy enough just to use a load balancer between the instances. Put the TLS termination at the load balancer.

Congrats, you're basically ready for the most scale you'll ever need.

[quartz kindle]

i cant speak for myself since i dont have hands on experience, but what i got from hearing stories, news and generally how corporate environments work, quite simply they dont care about infrastructure, they have corporate connections and exclusivity contracts and they pay thousands monthly for infrastructure that is 100% overkill and underefficient for their business

[long marsh]

That is 100% true

[neon leaf]

yeah I currently just run 6 vms with 4 load balancers, a bit cursed but it works

cf ->
lb1 -> eu1 & eu2
lb2 -> us1 & us2
lb3 -> sg1 & sg2

[quartz kindle]

exactly, everything you need is pretty much a vps instance and a load balancer, both of which are much cheaper elsewhere than in aws

[long marsh]

Are these multiple services?

[neon leaf]

yes

[long marsh]

Yeah that's fair

[long marsh]

Load balancer is actually stupid expensive when compared to other vendors in AWS.

[quartz kindle]

imo the only reason to go for AWS is if your company already has a contract with them

[long marsh]

Or they're willing to grant you hundreds of thousands of dollars in credits ... which is basically what you're saying.

[quartz kindle]

same for google cloud

[neon leaf]

a big problem I have is the database costs with most vendors

I can just throw 1 replicated pg db on each node and be done

no extra cost

[long marsh]

I've been an infrastructure engineer for US fortune 500 companies. One of which was very meticulous about its cloud costs. I respected it and enjoyed being apart of that team.

It's still what you said, @quartz kindle – "my boss's nephew works as a VP for AWS and gave us a discount to lock us in with the vendor"

[long marsh]

I enjoy managed solutions for databases. I HATE managing them myself.

[quartz kindle]

yeah and even with said discount your company is still paying thousands of dollars, a part of which ends up in someone's pockets

[long marsh]

I use Neon right now ... still in their free tier though

[neon leaf]

Ive long passed any free tier sadly

~170bil row reads per day

[quartz kindle]

crazy

[long marsh]

When you look at raw infrastructure costs, sure – but when you look at it from the perspective of people cost it starts to become a different story. An infrastructure engineer is nearly 1.5x -> 2x the cost of a product engineer.

[quartz kindle]

yeah i've never had to think about that, always been a team of 1

:^)

[long marsh]

If you're a team of 1, then by all means manage your own infra haha

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[long marsh]

I still enjoy AWS and get free yearly credits

$500/yr pays for all my costs 🙂

[quartz kindle]

i have google's free tier for testing

[long marsh]

What in the world have you built that requires this scale? haha

[quartz kindle]

i only use aws if i need to test compatibility there

some libs i made had issues on their amazon linux

[neon leaf]

lots of statistics and hash lookups

[long marsh]

That's interesting – is postgres typically considered an analytics database?

[neon leaf]

I dont think so, its mainly for replication simplicity

statistics are done via a materialized view

[long marsh]

Depending on the use case, you may have been able to get away with running it on docker

Not needing an entire instance

[quartz kindle]

well, some people were trying to run it on lambda, and some on ec2

[long marsh]

Same thing – the image is available opensource for both

[quartz kindle]

it required compiled code which wouldnt run there

[long marsh]

I'm familiar with that problem haha

[quartz kindle]

because amazon linux had non-standard paths for some build tools

[long marsh]

gotta love it

[quartz kindle]

more specifically the linker wouldnt work

so i just disabled LTO altogether

[long marsh]

Yep, totally understand this 100%. I have hit this in production.

Sadly.

[long marsh]

Whenever I hear the term "materialized view", the "you need a data warehouse" alarm goes off in my head. Have you looked into those types of solutions?

Not all the time, but you also included the idea of statistics

[neon leaf]

nope, havent looked into much

[long marsh]

I totally get keeping it "simple"

But a data warehouse that's postgres compatible would be a suitable bet for that high of read activity.

Cheaper too

[neon leaf]

well currently it costs nothing for me, it runs on the same servers as the application itself

I used cloudflare D1 in the past but I have ptsd from it (constant downtimes, no read replication)

[long marsh]

I'm not familiar with D1

What is D1?

[neon leaf]

D1 Database
Create serverless SQLite databases to query relational data.

[long marsh]

oh lol – gotcha

[neon leaf]

just checked and my db that I havent deleted is down

ah nice I guess

[pearl trail]

is that cloudflare

[neon leaf]

yes

[pearl trail]

[warped sierra]

i had to leave mid way through some work but i suddenly realised what my error was. couldnt fix it then bc had to go. came back to my note i left

[fleet kraken]

Hi

[tulip dome]

hi

[crystal wigeon]

does topgg have a cookie consent screen? or do they only show it for EU/UK users?

and do they not show ads if someone rejects it?

[warped sierra]

i love my life
[CRON] - Error refreshing Discord token: { error: 'invalid_grant' }

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

cookies dont affect whether ads show or not

it affects whether ads can use your information to display better ads for you

[crystal wigeon]

i meant like, dont you gotta collect consent? before showing ads

oh

[quartz kindle]

the consent is not for showing ads, is for them to collect data about you

[wheat mesa]

Cookies are just stores of data, they are useful for targeted advertising

[quartz kindle]

for example, if you give them consent, they can access your browsing history, patterns, likes, and other stuff to build a marketing profile and send you ads that are more likely to get your attention

ads coming from facebook can access your facebook habits, ads coming from google will access your google searches, etc

[neon leaf]

I am very proud of this

    let mut directory = tokio::fs::read_dir(&full_path).await?;

    let mut directory_entries = Vec::new();
    let mut other_entries = Vec::new();

    while let Ok(Some(entry)) = directory.next_entry().await {
        let is_dir = entry.file_type().await.map_or(false, |ft| ft.is_dir());
        let path = entry.path();

        if server.filesystem.is_ignored(&path, is_dir).await {
            continue;
        }

        if is_dir {
            directory_entries.push(entry.file_name());
        } else {
            other_entries.push(entry.file_name());
        }
    }

    directory_entries.sort_by(|a, b| a.cmp(&b));
    other_entries.sort_by(|a, b| a.cmp(&b));

    let total_entries = directory_entries.len() + other_entries.len();
    let mut entries = Vec::new();

    if let Some(per_page) = per_page {
        let start = (page - 1) * per_page;

        for entry in directory_entries
            .into_iter()
            .chain(other_entries.into_iter())
            .skip(start)
            .take(per_page)
        {
            let path = full_path.join(&entry);
            let metadata = match tokio::fs::symlink_metadata(&path).await {
                Ok(metadata) => metadata,
                Err(_) => continue,
            };

            entries.push(server.filesystem.to_api_entry_tokio(path, metadata).await);
        }
    } else {
        for entry in directory_entries
            .into_iter()
            .chain(other_entries.into_iter())
        {
            let path = full_path.join(&entry);
            let metadata = match tokio::fs::symlink_metadata(&path).await {
                Ok(metadata) => metadata,
                Err(_) => continue,
            };

            entries.push(server.filesystem.to_api_entry_tokio(path, metadata).await);
        }
    }

    Ok((total_entries, entries))

fast paginated directory listing with sorting

no wasted syscalls

technically I could save time on sorting the entry vectors when only 1 is needed

but thats too far

[quartz kindle]

nice

[loud canopy]

i swear the kind of comments i leave in my code

#1 so far

[sharp geyser]

I dont leave comments

I love being surprised

[pearl trail]

now only god know what my code does

[sharp geyser]

Not even god can decipher my code

[neon leaf]

2024

2025

I like the change

[quartz kindle]

rusty crab

[deft wolf]

Crusty Crab

[pearl trail]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-crabs-spongebob-mr-krabs-gif-7518130

[quartz kindle]

no because crusty has C in it

no C allowed

[autumn geyser]

[sharp geyser]

@harsh nova

Another gamer

[hidden gorge]

is this fake?

[loud canopy]

i added PVP and it took me less than two hours 😭

now my head is exploding

[loud canopy]

ah yes

[neon leaf]

🙏 https://github.com/pterodactyl-rs/wings/commit/8c14b2b76c63125defc4f75bf3e06cd723fc5a8b

[summer plaza]

Hi

[long marsh]

Do you all have a preferred observability platform/tool?

Now that my discord bot is reaching a level of maturity where I want to publish it, I also want to start sending "usage" analytics /events to some platform where I can have filtration of certain discord users and such that use it the most.

I could track this at the database level myself ofc, but I just prefer to leverage some sort of event system where I have the freedom to aggregate whatever I want too

[lament rock]

This would likely have to be built out by yourself in accordance to some privacy policy

[queen needle]

https://logsnag.com/

i've used this a couple of time before

there is another one that is open source that I don't remember that would be great

[lean wedge]

This would be very easy to make

[pearl trail]

dang only 2500 events/month for free

[acoustic bough]

posthog has 1M events/m but that was to little for me as well

[neon leaf]

just selfhost sentry

[acoustic bough]

sentry uses like 30gb ram

posthog is "open source" as well but they're both horrible to selfhost

[neon leaf]

eh, my sentry container uses 16gb

[acoustic bough]

I just figured that a docket stack with grafana, click house and a small go invest server is way easier

https://a7s.wamellow.com/public-dashboards/55354acdbad646d4995783a931b39d9a?from=now-7d&to=now&timezone=browser

[acoustic bough]

way too much for just simple analytics

my cloud server only has 12gb and my bare metal one 48gb

[neon leaf]

mhm

[acoustic bough]

that entire server rn uses like 2gb rn

[prime cliff]

Sentry is nice but it's gotten so resource intensive and bloated

[acoustic bough]

I can't use the error tracking of sentry anyway — it causes huge memory leaks for me

[delicate zephyr]

we use glitchtip

selfhosted

and just use the sentry lib for it

[prime cliff]

Yea this is why i want to add my own sentry support logging in my project 😄

Also glitchtip dosen't seem to support certain sentry versions and payloads

Sentry uses some weird json protocol thing that has double or triple jsons
{}
{}
{}

[delicate zephyr]

idk works fine for us

[lament rock]

With every passing day, I tend more towards making everything myself because implementations by others usually suck for performance or have shitty restrictions

Had to make my own build script for my bot that takes mono-repo packages as deps into account because turborepo was failing too much

[prime cliff]

I should work on error logging with sentry next tbh 🙃 welp time to dive in

[neon leaf]

I can feel the pain

tho I don't have the issue as much with rust as with ts

[quartz kindle]

reinventing wheels is our job

[neon leaf]

yes

[quartz kindle]

i am first timing svelte/sveltekit for a website

and i already ran into weird ass issues

it builds the website into a hybrid SSR package using Vite

and running Vite on the vps was crashing and running out of memory just from trying to build the project

[neon leaf]

...

[quartz kindle]

i could built the project on my pc but not on the vps

i was able to fix it by upgrading to vite7 with the new rolldown bundler, which is in beta

and it worked

but gives a bunch of warnings on my logs

@_@

[neon leaf]

I had to write this recently https://github.com/pterodactyl-rs/panel/tree/main/wings-api/generator-src

open API to rust generator

there was nothing that worked with my setup

it's definitely not very Performant but it doesn't need to run often

takes maybe 500ms

was a ~4h sidequest

[prime cliff]

Going for the glitchtip aproach for error logs that will be per-project, this means i can also use the projects stuff for other things too 🙂

[quartz kindle]

rip

[warped glacier]

So im in a great mood. Just added antiraid to my bot!!!

[acoustic bough]

never understood the need for anti nuke stuff

[warped glacier]

People dont for some reason get to not give every person fckin admin. So people join and get admin then raid the shit

So i figured my bot's role is already above others. it should have it added.

[acoustic bough]

servers with 50 members: 5 admins, 10 mods
me with 4k members: one mod, 3 people with only timeout and delete message perms (unmarked)

[warped glacier]

Ive also seen servers with 100 members. 90% are administrator perms

[acoustic bough]

"hep my server got nuked"

[warped glacier]

Yeah\

[raven token]

there are different servers. For example: 4000 thousand, but only 100 are active, and there are some where there are only 100 people and 95 of them are active. Do you feel the difference?

[warped glacier]

Honestly like every server is odd so ye

[acoustic bough]

show me any server with 100 members an 95 active

and the servers that I meant usually only have the people active that are amins

ok my d key broke wtf

[pearl trail]

amen

[warped glacier]

Lol i had this happen to me once. While coding to.

[acoustic bough]

it just randomly stopped mid talking lmao

[quartz kindle]

i've had worse

my keyboard started randomly typing stuff on its own

imagine coding like that

[neon leaf]

let it think, its optimizing ur code

[quartz kindle]

i found out it was a faulty touchpad driver

it would stop happening if i uninstalled it

but then i would lose most touchpad features like double tap, 2-finger scroll, etc

[queen needle]

No one optimizes tims code

[quartz kindle]

the code optimizes me

actually i have plenty of bad code, some of it i cant bother optimizng, too anoying

[queen needle]

I will for you

Trust

[quartz kindle]

deal

i need help making a very complocated math thingy

[neon leaf]

new drives installed 🔥 time for a bigger minecraft earth map

root@HDE-03:~# btrfs filesystem show
Label: none  uuid: 2d52f08b-27bc-4ea0-b596-6f529cf99a36
        Total devices 2 FS bytes used 375.68GiB
        devid    3 size 3.64TiB used 380.03GiB path /dev/nvme1n1p3
        devid    4 size 3.64TiB used 380.03GiB path /dev/nvme0n1p3

root@HDE-03:~#```

[prime cliff]

Time to do sentry error logging my own style 🙂

[queen needle]

what is it im your gal

[quartz kindle]

i need to develop a performant method to search/predict the datetime when a specific planetary event happens

currently i have an exponential search into binary search, but the exponential search needs to be replaced with a better method, its too unreliable

[queen needle]

replace it with Google search

Hope this helps

[neon leaf]

bogo search

(cousin of bogo sort)

[queen needle]

I thought it was the ugly nephew

[quartz kindle]

thanks

[quartz kindle]

yes

[neon leaf]

yes

theres a universe where its never wrong

and the most efficient search

[quartz kindle]

indeed

theres also a universe where im your cat

and another where im your god

[neon leaf]

which one tho

thats the important question

[quartz kindle]

the orange one

[neon leaf]

mentally orange?

or physically

[quartz kindle]

both

[neon leaf]

impossible sir

[quartz kindle]

not in that universe

[neon leaf]

hmm

🙏

I am going to be so happy once I can nuke the broken drive

[loud canopy]

someone is trying to create a character with my bot in some server i dont know and i got this in console

Failed to edit message due to HTTPException: 401 Unauthorized (error code: 50027): Invalid Webhook Token

this is something about their server's permissions right?

[sharp geyser]

@queen needle No longer making a poop collecting game

:))

[queen needle]

What the heck

[sharp geyser]

Final dev log, I had bags and tools implemented

bai bai

[quartz kindle]

no, its not permissions

[sharp geyser]

Im making a bigger better game now

https://tenor.com/bow0p.gif

[quartz kindle]

jellyfish simulator

[sharp geyser]

No

[queen needle]

Whatcha making

Discord mod.simulator?

[sharp geyser]

Ahaha no

[quartz kindle]

did you guys see the coconut simulator?

[sharp geyser]

It's a similar game to Steal a brainrot or Feed your pet

[queen needle]

No lmao

[sharp geyser]

We are making all the models ourselves

[queen needle]

Steal a command? #commands

[sharp geyser]

While learning

[queen needle]

Is this related to the earlier message of you saying how to model a cat?(Idk if that was you(

[quartz kindle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3335120/Coconut_Simulator/

Steam

Coconut Simulator

Coconut Simulator is a game in which you can become a coconut.

This game will give you a meditative gameplay. You can stand and contemplate the beauty of the beach around you living your life as a coconut. You can also perform actions that coconuts usually perform (stand in the same place).…

Price

$0.99

Recommendations

260

[sharp geyser]

Yes

I still can't figure that shit out

😠

Damn tail

I can do the eyes and mouth but that damn tail

[loud canopy]

then what it is? bc i swear everything works fine

[quartz kindle]

can you describe how your command works? is it a slash command?

[queen needle]

WAYYY too expensive ngl

[loud canopy]

yes its a slash command it seems to give an error when the player select their class and continue to the next embed,view for customization

[quartz kindle]

btw the game has a "realistic mode"

which is a black screen, because coconuts dont have eyes

[loud canopy]

the thing is, is that i cant literally re-create the error

it just happens sometimes in who knows who's server

[quartz kindle]

does the process usually take long?

[loud canopy]

no

[quartz kindle]

interaction tokens have a 15 minute time limit

[loud canopy]

all views have a baseview i made which has a timeout of 60 seconds

if you exceed the 60 seconds it timesout and it kicks you out of the interaction

[queen needle]

Unless you're a discord favorite cough cough

(the wordle bot can reply to 24 hour past interactions)

[quartz kindle]

do you have any logging setup where you can see in which part the fail happens?

[loud canopy]

yes

i mean

[quartz kindle]

if its in the beginning or somewhere in the middle

[loud canopy]

depends

not really

the probem is that it happens 1/1000 times

in NEVER in my server

like i wish i could see it myself

i have logs for which interaction view crashes

for debugging

[quartz kindle]

your command works in multiple steps, right? each step uses a followup message?

[loud canopy]

it edit the current message

i dont like chat spamming

my whole game is in 1 embed x player

[quartz kindle]

ok, so the command triggers a reply, and subsequent interactions trigger an edit on the existing reply, correct?

[loud canopy]

yes

and i use view.set original response

to keep reference everytime i edit next

so its not that neither

i swear discord sometimes choke or something

[quartz kindle]

you're not wrong

[loud canopy]

bc sometimes like 1/100 times when im exploring for PVE battle

i hit explore

and get "interaction failed"

then i try again

and it works

????

[quartz kindle]

that happens to me too

[loud canopy]

it seems discord truly hate not spamming messages in chat

[quartz kindle]

do you use interactions via websocket or via http webhook?

[loud canopy]

i think its http

bc thats the error i get

[quartz kindle]

if you're using a library, then its most likely websocket

[loud canopy]

yes

i use .py

[quartz kindle]

well... unfortunately there is no fix for this issue

[loud canopy]

ok no thats fine

at least i know its not my end

[quartz kindle]

all you can do is add logging and check on which part the fail happens

[loud canopy]

bc it happens really rarely

[quartz kindle]

if its on the first reply, or on which subsequent edit

[loud canopy]

so far i see it happens only in 2 places

1. character creation
2. exploring

i have shit like PVP and matchmaking going on and there are 0 issues

character creation just kill itself xd

[quartz kindle]

if it fails on the first reply, its failing the 3 second rule

[loud canopy]

ok so when you /login without a character you have a embed + view when you select the class you want

[quartz kindle]

if it fails on subsequent edits, it could be that the original reply was deleted, or the token expired due to 15 minute rule

[loud canopy]

you hit "customize"

THAT where it dies

but like 1/100000000 and never when im trying to recreate it

i sat one day trying my best to crash it on purpose

with god knows what kind of spaghetti spam

and nothing

no fucks given

no api restriction neither

but Timmy69 from the server "the magical wonderland of fuck you" it crashes it

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[loud canopy]

but since it aint my problem i aint worrying "for now"

[quartz kindle]

it happened to me a lot, i dont even know if it still happens because i stopped checking logs

[loud canopy]

bc my bot forces you to have 1 interaction x player

which means if you /log you get logged on a list

so if that crashes

youre on a list still

if you /log it doesnt work

it tells you "youre already logged in"

so im gonna have to do some magician bs to handle that

[quartz kindle]

you need to do a rollback on reply fail

[loud canopy]

0w0? is that a thing

[quartz kindle]

well, you can make it yourself

[loud canopy]

ok im gonna look it up then

thank you tim from the top.gg server

[quartz kindle]

whatever functionality you have on that command, you can undo it, if the reply to that command fails

[loud canopy]

can i just add that to my custom class?

bc i made a custom view class so i have default behavior that inherite to all my views

[quartz kindle]

possibly yes, idk how you structured your code

[loud canopy]

such as "interaction check" "timeout" "logs"

instead of calling the view from discord.ui.view i call it from my_own_class.bas_view

[quartz kindle]

you can also do a channel.send as a fallback

if reply fails, send a regular message

[loud canopy]

never im gonna just pop it off the list with the rollback on reply fail you just said

im REALLY againts sending many messages

[quartz kindle]

xD

[loud canopy]

and everyone who has been using my bot is saying they are really glad this one doesnt spam shit 24/7

like whenever i try a bot not only i gotta learn 49274929 commands but my chat becomes a star wars intro

my bot uses 1 slash command and everything is a menu with 1 embed

yesterday i also finally made pvp snycing 2 instances was so cancer bc im a shit programmer uwu

[quartz kindle]

you could make a hybrid then, which uses two messages:
1 ephemeral interaction reply
1 regular message
every thing edits the regular message instead of the interaction reply

but then you will need permission checks

well, its jsut an idea

[loud canopy]

oh i use ephemeral only for telling you that the menu youre trying to use aint yours

[quartz kindle]

but do the logging i told you first, check if the fail happens on the first reply

[loud canopy]

but then again this is the kind of person youre talking to rn

[quartz kindle]

if its the first reply, then yeah, not much you can do, its discord's 3 second rule

but if the fail happens somewhere else down the line, then there might be something you can do

[loud canopy]

the thing is the error doesnt point me at any like yknow

problem with my class or file

[quartz kindle]

but the error suggests it happens when editting a message

[loud canopy]

it just says http error

and i wish i could recreate it but i cant

i tried everything and gave up

and im really not in the mood in breaking something that aint broken

[quartz kindle]

xD

[loud canopy]

bc if it breaks

im gonna spend another night up

[quartz kindle]

did you try manually deleting the message from the channel

[loud canopy]

well i wish i could

idk in what server this happened

my bot is in like 80 servers rn

[quartz kindle]

i mean, did you test that in your own server?

[loud canopy]

lemme try

right now

[quartz kindle]

if you have a 60 second timeout

what happens if the timeout runs after an admin manually deletes the message?

[loud canopy]

well it depends lets say the character creation i set it to 180

[loud canopy]

my idea was that

they /login

forget about it

kick the bot

the bot tries to timeout the player

but cant reach the message

[quartz kindle]

yeah thats one option

but it could also happen if an admin deletes the interaction response

[loud canopy]

view = MainMenu(interaction.user.id, timeout=60)

about to find out

in 60 seconds

[quartz kindle]

xD

[loud canopy]

nope

i like how i made this logs who knows when

and i forgot about it

i think its the first time i see this

[quartz kindle]

hmm]

[loud canopy]

but nope

timeout just works fine

no issue there

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

good job bot

[quartz kindle]

can you think of any scenario where the whole command would take 15 minutes?

[loud canopy]

question

[quartz kindle]

like navigating back and forth between steps?

[loud canopy]

what do you mean by command

1 command

OR

a whole class

left on

i mean a view

[quartz kindle]

anything that uses the same interaction token

edits and followups

[loud canopy]

bc whenever you interact to a new menu i call view.stop()

so i stop the timeout

its a fresh new embed, view but same message

so do you mean that for 15min?

but even then

theres no way someone could sit in character creation for 15 min

because when you select class i dont call view.stop()

i call view.self

[quartz kindle]

are you sure? you never know xDD

[loud canopy]

so timeout will go either ways after 180 seconds

view = menus.class_selection_tab.ClassSelectionTab(interaction.user.id, interaction.user.avatar.url, "Rogue", timeout=120)

await interaction.response.edit_message(embeds=[embed1, embed2], view=self.view)

its actually 120 seconds

[quartz kindle]

can these menus go back? like can a person go to a previous page to change something they already selected before?

[loud canopy]

yes

and it calls view.stop()

and im 100% sure of this to all my menu

bc thats why i have the log

[quartz kindle]

so what if a person goes back and forth for 15 minutes and never finishes the character creationl?

[loud canopy]

bc if timeout would trigger at any point without me wanting to, i would see it bc

1. logs
2. the fucking menu closes

(before the log system i had to guess what class was trigerring timeout)

(it wasnt fun)

(i really wanted to kms back then)

but yeah this is what it does when timeout triggers

self.view(stop)
and all buttons.children = none

[quartz kindle]

yeah but the timeout is per view, right? once you go to the next view, a new timeout starts

[loud canopy]

yes

and the previous one is interrupted

otherwise it would still tick in background

[quartz kindle]

so if you go back to the previous view, the previous timeout would start from the beginning

[loud canopy]

and randomly disconnect me

[loud canopy]

yes

[quartz kindle]

so if you go back and borth between both viewss

until 15 min pass

[loud canopy]

im not sure i dont think anything has set there playing for 15 minutes

but how would you sit 15 min in class selection

if it triggers timeout after 120 seconds

regardless of you changing the selected class

[quartz kindle]

the timeout wont trigger if you switch views before it ends

[loud canopy]

no it wont as it should be

i only use timeout if ppl just go afk

i dont want random embeds open

i want clean menus

[quartz kindle]

so, you go to the first view, wait 100 seconds, switch to second view, wait 100 seconds, go back to first vieew, wait 100 seconds,repeat

[loud canopy]

whats that supposed to do

i cant follow 😭

[quartz kindle]

do that 9 times, and the discord interaction token expires

since its valid for 15 minutes

and you get that error

[loud canopy]

and thats great but

this still doesnt explain to me

how timmy does /login

and crashes in the first screen

[quartz kindle]

ah well, that what i told you before, check if the crash happens on the first reply

if it does, its the 3 second rule

the first reply to an interaction must be made within 3 seconds

[loud canopy]

well so far i saw that problem like idk 3 times out of 14 days

the only REAL bug that i should fix is that if someone doesnt have an avatar on discord it gives me the user.avatar.url = None

but i couldnt care less

i could fix it

but im petty

if you dont have an avatar

you dont deserve to play with my bot

😭

[quartz kindle]

use the default avatars lol

doesnt d.py have a method to get default avatar?

[loud canopy]

dis one

[quartz kindle]

d.js does

[loud canopy]

idk

i use interaction.user.avatar.url

[quartz kindle]

If you want to display default pfp for a non pfp user the consider using display_avatar instead of avatar. As display_avatar would return default discord avatar if no pfp is there.

[loud canopy]

lemme see

MMMMHHMH

interesting

[quartz kindle]

lê-mao

[loud canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

haha lemme replace everything

real quick

[quartz kindle]

ctrl+H

:^)

[loud canopy]

it is

display_avatar.url still?

yes?

[quartz kindle]

yes

returns type Asset

[loud canopy]

yes yes but

in every file

@quartz kindleunrelated but im building the world, enemies, npc, items ect as we speak like everyday i add more stuff and i swear i had to put a soft-lock cap to lvl 40 that you dont get exp bc im struggling

these mfs are speedrunning dungeons and shit

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

Use a non linear scaling

Or make enemies have a xp penalty when they're N levels lower than the player

So they can't farm low level areas

[loud canopy]

i already have that

exp is matching the formula i use

problem is these mfs would sit there an hour straight non stop

which is fine i don't want ppl to grind forever in a random discord game

[lyric mountain]

Be evil and add a stamina bar

But I had the same problem, some people will just grind the game to dust

[queen needle]

you can also just always add more characteristics too like cosemestics with more powerups and those have levels

[loud canopy]

already have that

[loud canopy]

this too

[loud canopy]

the main reason it takes me a lot it's bc i gotta add enemies, drops, npc, locations, ranks for all of those x leve, icons for all i just said so i have to draw and i hate drawing

[queen needle]

real

[loud canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378371623605899286/1392965590225780908/image.png?ex=687173cc&is=6870224c&hm=de4457735c1ea6aed6e855d3e43c055f0a3050f4bb0f0f3898ced1f266d8016d&

definetly not igris there

[queen needle]

just add id's and make it so they randomly lose matches/fights/whatever

[loud canopy]

and in the meantime im definetly not balancing the battle system

it's funny bc i get random ideas like "what if ppl want to edit their UI" so i waste like 30 min adding useless stuff like "swap UI"

[sharp geyser]

Are these ranks for boss fights in a game?

Cause if you got igris in C tier you need to reevaluate those ranks. He was almost a general rank shadow in solo leveling

[loud canopy]

it literally says "idk yet"

[sharp geyser]

That doesn’t answer my question

[quartz kindle]

i mean

igris is cool an all, but not beru and bellion level

[neon leaf]

1 year without dust filter 🥶

[knotty night]

geez

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure but still ain’t no C tier

[quartz kindle]

depends what the other tiers have xd

if S tier has antares on it

C or B would be fine for igris

[neon leaf]

do I need to understand this

[quartz kindle]

wat

yes

[sharp geyser]

I mean I guess but still igris even in the manhwa was rather strong

Next to beru

Though I guess the mage he later got was actually stronger in terms of firepower

[loud canopy]

its not sl bot qwq i have random stuff in it

[azure trench]

going from half my bot using UTC the other half GMT to timezone is the best quality of life feeling i think ive felt in my journey

[spark yacht]

@azure trench hello is there anything you would need help with

[azure trench]

hmm

im a vibe coder sadly

you would probably recoil at my existence

but am not really struggling with anything in my development phase yet

thought my bot was ready today after years of vibe code

and realised since i changed db structure from strings to indexes the whole thing needed updating

so did that all day

[quartz kindle]

thank you mister scammer, now enjoy your ban

[knotty night]

Got em

[loud canopy]

tim youre my favorite moderator

[deft wolf]

Tim is not a moderator, Tim is a goat 🐐

[quartz kindle]

lmao, ill never be a moderator

but thanks :3

[pearl trail]

:3

[loud canopy]

@quartz kindle

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

i need some math help

[knotty night]

no

[quartz kindle]

chatgpt isnt helping, i feel like im going in circles

@_@

[knotty night]

kidding XD go ahead and post

I didn't do bad at math ngl

[quartz kindle]

my issue is a two-part problem, but i'll start with the first part since it should be simpler

[queen needle]

I know some math(addition) so i should be of much help

[frosty gale]

insert most obscure issue nobody has ever encountered on planet earth here

[quartz kindle]

given two concentric circles (planetary orbits), the maximum elongation of the inner planet as seen from the outer planet should be the point where the line of sight from the outer planet intersects with the edge of the inner planet's orbit (ie, draw a line from point A in the outer circle, to point B in the inner circle, in a way that the line touches the inner circle only once)

something something tangents

now i need to get this angle and convert it to a heliocentric angle

ie the angle separation between point A (point in the outer circle) and point B (the point in the inner circle where a line from A would touch its edge only once) as seen from the center point

the input values i have are the distance between both points from the center

and their angle as seen from the center

[slow mauve]

r small / r big = sin(x)

and becazse you have 90° then it is simple

[slow mauve]

this is the elongation angle

[quartz kindle]

chatgpt gave me asin(rInner / rOuter) for the elongation angle, and acos(rInner / rOuter) for the angle i want, but idk if this is correct

[slow mauve]

you should get smth like
ß = 180 - 90 - (sin(r small / r big)) if not mistaken

maybe need to convert sin correctly to get the angle

[quartz kindle]

hmmm, ah it should always be a 90 deg angle there right?

[queen needle]

math savior joined the chat

[knotty night]

Above my head

[slow mauve]

its the other way around...

well anyway

x = ß and ß is x in the drawing but not in the terms

[quartz kindle]

i have the values for side XB (rbig) and side Xdot (rsmall), doing sin(rsmall/rbig) returns the angle of X or the angle of B?

[slow mauve]

so ß in the drawing I made but in the term it is the other way around

[quartz kindle]

so angle B here would be the center point. to get that angle given sides a and c i should do the inverse of sin, so asin(a / c) = B?

[slow mauve]

No angle b is the elongation point and then you have to subtract it from the 180-90-B then you have your angle you need

[quartz kindle]

ah yes, A is the center point here

[slow mauve]

yes

[queen needle]

tim needing help is wild

[quartz kindle]

i hate math

[slow mauve]

You could also use cos... I just noticed that

[queen needle]

with the right math you could use any trig function

[quartz kindle]

i understand triangle math, but i dont understand anything about sin/cos/tan

dropped out of school before getting there

[slow mauve]

Yeah logical things are my thing, so math, developing, puzzles etc....

[queen needle]

ditto

my issues is I have trouble understanding explanations/problems

so like i didn't understand what Tim was saying

but reading all you said what he wrote makes sense lmao

[slow mauve]

Ye me too, I had to google elongation but then it was clear-ish to me xD

[quartz kindle]

i have a worse problem

but i can live without a solution to it

[slow mauve]

Drop it

[quartz kindle]

the problem is, if we give these points in the orbit an angular velocity

let me try to draw

imagine this

there is a certain moment in time, where given the velocities of these two points, they will align in such a way that if observed from the red point, the blue point will appear motionless

it should happen shortly after the point of maximum elongation

it should be something like, the angle of elongation plus an offset based on when the speeds of both points appear to cancel each other out

but honestly, i dont really need this, i can get it using an iterative method instead, its just slower

[queen needle]

so you need to find that speed?

[quartz kindle]

i need to find the angle at which it hapens

[slow mauve]

I think this should be the point you are searching, cause anything else is a lesser elongation angle

But the math behind, idk tbh sry

[sharp geyser]

Guys

when did this become math-help

my brain no understand

[slow mauve]

"I understand spanish to a certain level"

[queen needle]

i might i just don't understand the question 😭

[quartz kindle]

yeah well, its not

it varies based on several factors, but the angular speeds are the more determining ones

[slow mauve]

Yea, planetary systemes werent really my thing

[quartz kindle]

here's an example:

time                angular speed      angular separation as seen from the center point
2456585.9999986337 0.11796338701927098 48.88108141257834
{ center: 67.3350568875677, inner: 90, outer: 22.664943112432308 } the triangle angles we just did

2456586.999998622 -0.008261598577950188 45.713492304742374
{ center: 67.68732916256758, inner: 90, outer: 22.31267083743243 }

[queen needle]

Get chatgpt to write it as a math problem and i may be able to help elsewise im useless

[quartz kindle]

the moment the angular speed switches signs (the moment it appears to stop and change direction) happens at an angle between 48 and 45 in this case

[quartz kindle]

i've been doing this for a week now

it leads me in circles

and gives a bunch of stuff that doesnt sound logically correct

[queen needle]

could you say, has you in, orbit?

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[queen needle]

i just suck at understanding problems but i have lots of math knowledge

it doesn't pair well

[quartz kindle]

im the opposite :^)

[queen needle]

can we like kirby and solve this and unkirby

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-right-back-at-ya-kirby-anime-kirby-eating-a-watermelon-gif-17530449855967863291

[quartz kindle]

chatgpt gave me this:

/**
 * @param {number} v1
 * @param {number} v2
 * @param {number} r1
 * @param {number} r2
 */
export function estimateRetrogradeHeliocentricAngle(v1, v2, r1, r2) {
    const isInner = r1 < r2;
    const sinTheta = isInner ? (r1 / r2) * (v1 / v2) : (r2 / r1) * (v2 / v1);
    const sinPhi = (isInner ? r1 / r2 : r2 / r1) * sinTheta;
    const phiRad = Math.asin(sinPhi);
    const phiDeg = rad2Deg(phiRad);
    return phiDeg;
}

but it doesnt really make much sense

also the results are way off

for example with earth and venus

time               vel                  angle               chagpt prediction
2456688.999997421 -0.01481896147217654 12.127992322477326 58.34411191097084
{ center: 43.17316355979284, inner: 90, outer: 46.82683644020717 } <- elongation angles

2456689.99999741 0.025346686018630202 12.737970401897257 58.35374576572803
{ center: 43.17905380945248, inner: 90, outer: 46.82094619054752 }

the elongation angles look correct, but when the actual moment when their speeds cancel each other out, and angle already closed to 12 deg

[quartz kindle]

the more i insist chatgps's functions are wrong, the bigger its font gets

[queen needle]

Lmfao

[quartz kindle]

then it goes into some 20 line thing with some quadratic interpolation

which returns null

then it reverts to a dead simple 3 line function

which still returns non-sensical values

the more you tell it its wrong or it doesnt work, the worse it gets, it keeps spewing out worse and worse functions and make you run around in circles

[sharp geyser]

Try gemini

[azure trench]

grok might get this

[lethal dragon]

@quartz kindle what are you looking for

[quartz kindle]

Alvin and the chipmunks

[lethal dragon]

I just trying to help you and y trollin?

Okey 🫡

[quartz kindle]

always trolling :)

what did you want to help with?

[deft wolf]

Bro wanted to help Tim, rookie mistake

[prime cliff]

Sentry supported error logging lets go

[loud canopy]

chat

found another gem

[near skiff]

yo anyone cool with shards guys ?

for a small quesiton about cache and competition

[quartz kindle]

wdym if we are cool with shards? lmao yeah we are cool with them, they are cool

[quartz kindle]

i would definitely change something in there

[lethal dragon]

go ask

[finite dove]

Anyone specialise in SEO?

I'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong... i run a job vacancy listing platform where employers can... list vacancies.

These vacancies pages then get indexed but are subject to removal post-indexing if the vacancy is fulfilled or doesn't adhere to our terms.

This leads to 404's, and put simply i'm wondering if google doesn't like that? Or i get some spammy backlinks showing up on ahrefs and maybe that's the issue?

But i lost 5k of my indexed pages within like 5 days in may and i haven't fully recovered since.

[warped sierra]

soooo i run my bots using pm2 on my server

i couldnt find a good open source pm2 tracker, and i didnt want a paid one

solution, make my own.

enter rabbit hole. now building a full scale pm2 tracker for public use rather than a small simple one for just my bot

release v1.0.0-beta.1 (which is tbf actually super functional already in my opinion)

what has life come to

its also got a Prometheus style metrics server.

[loud canopy]

@quartz kindle btw i made the on_error function in my base_view and since i did, it didnt happen again so i cant even test if it works

print(f"[ERROR] {self.__class__.__name__} encountered an error: {error}") i have it logged too so if it did i would see it but nothing

bro just wanted to annoy me

[warped sierra]

lmao when i tell them its wrong they be like "Oh you appear to be correct, let me go and fix that" its still wrong. "Sorry, thats my fault! Let me fix that for you"

claude sonnet 4 rn has proven to be extremely good with node.js for me, I rarely have had to correct its work ( i still do heavy testing and read through it all before putting it into any actual use) but its speeding up my workflow quite a bit sometimes

i use it with copilot pro

but i think it works so well since it runs alot of code in a sandbox before sending it and also has access with gitlabs and github and major help with its reasoning system

i saw one reddit post saying its coding capabilities were "legendary" and so far it has been pretty good

[loud canopy]

attempt #2

[stable sapphire]

?

[pure wagon]

What ur doing ?

[grand zodiac]

try grok, a new version has been released and their convincing benchmarks claim its smarter than all other models

[pure wagon]

Hell na Grok is the biggest Shit out

[loud canopy]

intents application

[pure wagon]

aight

[grand zodiac]

you'll never know unless you pay a small price of $300/mo to try the new parallel test time compute

which allows Grok to consider multiple hypotheses at once. We call this model Grok 4 Heavy, and it sets a new standard for performance and reliability

[spark flint]

lol

dont make me send a pic of what grok did last week

[pure wagon]

I dont pay 300 for a ai lol

[pure wagon]

Real

[spark flint]

it literally relies on elons opinions on things for its decision making

[pure wagon]

Grok is Propaganda fr

[grand zodiac]

it tweeted something that made the ceo quit i think

[pure wagon]

lol

[grand zodiac]

same, submitted yesterday

[loud canopy]

first attempt didnt have enough "description"

like bro if you allowed MEE6 you can allow any bot

😭

[grand zodiac]

true lol

some people lie to get intents cuz apparently discord cant check if those features exist on your bot

you could use webhooks to send some dummy embeds and screenshot them to attach in your intents application

[quartz kindle]

they are annoying as heck though, many people try in vain to get them

most often you will get something like "your feature doesnt need the intent, please use slash commands instead"

[loud canopy]

i video recorded my whole bot

like if they really can't accept it again i'll just ask them to send me some random discord mod github so they can look at my source code

[loud canopy]

i use slash commands but lets say tmw i wake up and i want to use prefix for debugging (i already do)

like its so unnecessary

let the community deal with it

they should be instead focusing of all the dating servers 13+ that clearly break tos but they just don't care(?)

[deft wolf]

They do care but people need to report them first. Unfortunately, this is not the first, second or third server like this, but the hundredth one, and they have learned from their mistakes how to avoid any bans (at the end of the day, they will be banned sooner or later anyway)

That's like saying Roblox doesn't do anything about adult games played by children. They ban them, but they pop up like mushrooms after the rain

[grand zodiac]

yep, thats what i got so ive tried again but this time ive stressed that its really important for some features

[grand zodiac]

that would work

[sharp geyser]

What's your guys opinion on the cloudflare changes with AI crawlers

[vernal latch]

hey this was at the top of my messages but u can do this without the message prefix

[vernal latch]

when i tried it about 1 year ago on a verified bot i had, it can still respond to @ mentions so instead of doing like !!hey you can do like @yourbot hey

[grand zodiac]

true

does it still work?

[pearl trail]

yes, message mentioning the bot bypasses the message intent

[grand zodiac]

i see

[lament rock]

you just need the messages intent

message content not necessary

[thick oak]

does anyone know how your bot can be online 24/7 on replit?

[small tangle]

Replit isnt quite suitable for hosting a bot

[thick oak]

what app would you recommend?

[small tangle]

You could get a cheap vps

Or host it on smth like a raspberry pi, thats what im currently doing

[thick oak]

thanks

[loud canopy]

sometimes i wonder if discord actually looks at the video you send them

[grand zodiac]

i also got denied

[loud canopy]

its the #2 attempt

i dont get it

[grand zodiac]

same

this same mf declined mine

[loud canopy]

i gave a whole ass video review

"yeah you dont need message content intent"

videos shows me using message content intent

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[grand zodiac]

exactly mate i think they see the first 5 seconds and come to a conclusion

yea no im not giving u msg intents bye

[loud canopy]

no im saying that

because they said

"sounds well designed"

so im assumed

they didnt even look at the video

[grand zodiac]

i see

[loud canopy]

"if you use a feature that needs bla bla"

like if a feature i wont to add wont work bc of intents i dont have now im not doing it 😭

i aint sitting with my code half done bc i have to wait furrymuncher69 to approve my intent

[grand zodiac]

in my case i requested for modules like message based triggers (autoresponders), afk and etc and they said it doesnt need message intents 🤷‍♂️

my bot was getting good reach towards servers and now im stuck at 100 servers waiting for some guy whos having a good day at work to be generous and approve my intents request

[loud canopy]

i like that they ask

"do you store any message outside of discord"

bro even if i DID do so

how would you even know?

like this is the kind of "are you 18+?" on corn sites question lmao

For marketplace notifications, you can implement opt-in systems through your game interface.

[grand zodiac]

wait i never thought abt that

[loud canopy]

"fuck you about ur code and change it bc im lazy to press (approve)"

[grand zodiac]

exactly

[loud canopy]

i dont think bro understand

what i even meant

i asked "i need intent to make dms that can be toggled if players buy items to other players"

discord mod: yeah just make a notification in the already made in-game interface

oh yes, lemme just make the menu open by itself in some random server chat yes yes

[grand zodiac]

lol

[loud canopy]

bc when you get a notification

is not in ur dms

no no no its in a public chat

yes

[grand zodiac]

man im just gonna lie this time idrc anymore

[loud canopy]

the thing is 99% of the servers my bot is in are fake servers

idk what is this but most servers are
new
filled with bots
dead

[grand zodiac]

yea they prioritise membercount over activity so its mostly botted by themselves or anyone that joins is an ad bot

and they cant do anything about the second case

[loud canopy]

but the servers are empty

they all look the same

"invite link has been changed to #join"

and it has 1 channel #join

[grand zodiac]

oh

is that the case for the 99% of ur servers?

[loud canopy]

all servers i checked on disboard were like that

the ones i cant check idk

[grand zodiac]

i see

[quartz kindle]

using the intent doesnt mean anything

[loud canopy]

wdym

they ask if i do use it

and why

so i said yes and showed why

wdym it doesnt mean what

[quartz kindle]

to get the intent, your feature needs to pass two criteria:

1. it cannot be made with slash commands (actually impossible to make, not just annoying or harder)
2. they actually like it and think its good enough or interesting enough for them to allow it to exist

[queen needle]

2 is also partly uniqueness

[quartz kindle]

if your feature doesnt pass the first criteria, remake it using slash commands and move on
if your feature doesnt pass the second criteria, give up on it

[loud canopy]

its for debugging

literally

if i make something i test it with prefix commands

[quartz kindle]

thats not a feature

[queen needle]

Test bot

Or guild only for a personal server for testing

[quartz kindle]

^

you can create guild-only slash commands that only exist in your guild

and you can use message commands by mentioning your bot

you dont need the intent for that

[loud canopy]

k

just makiung things annoying

for 0 reasons

[quartz kindle]

discord doesnt like autoresponders or anything that happens automatically without user input. they want bots to only do something if users explicitly request them to

an afk detector still works without the intent though, since it doesnt need to read what the user sent, it only needs to see that the user sent something

[loud canopy]

@quartz kindle ok but tim

you want ppl to have the freedom to create their own stuff

but at the same stuff "well no actually you need to do it like this"

meanwhile there are bots that truly do fucked up stuff

like this system only annoys ppl who want to do things legally

lol

also all my commands prefixes dont work without my discord ID so even if it did listen it wouldnt work either ways unless its me

[quartz kindle]

yes because of two reasons:

1. privacy. people are not comfortable that every single message is being read by random bots they know nothing about
2. resource usage. its expensive for them to be sending billions of events to tens of thousands of bots, slash commands avoid that

[loud canopy]

and heres my deal

who stops you from doing something else get approved

and then change ur bot

i could say "yeah i do X" then i get approved and do Y

[quartz kindle]

nothing stops you from doing that, but good luck finding something that will be approved

[loud canopy]

yes thats what im saying

its a "are you 18+" question

[pearl trail]

"i do X" is the hardest part xD

[loud canopy]

lol

[quartz kindle]

a lot of people try to come up with random shit just to get the intent, and it never works

because they will only give it for something actually interesting, and if you have something like that, you are not gonna give up on it anyway

[loud canopy]

do prefix commands use message intent?

[quartz kindle]

if the bot needs to read the content of the message, yes it needs the intent

[loud canopy]

ok

[quartz kindle]

but if the message mentions your bot, it bypasses the intent

[loud canopy]

lemme just

[queen needle]

message intent allows you to get message content of any message the bot has access to

without it you can get every message content that mentions your bot

[quartz kindle]

so if you mention your bot in the message, you can read the full message without having the intent

[loud canopy]

hello discord i need message intent

[pearl trail]

i miss that time on mobile where you can quickly mention user by clicking the username

[loud canopy]

but make it

a prefix

instead of a / command

[queen needle]

i would click it accidentally 100 times and have to delete a lot of mentions

[pearl trail]

:(

[queen needle]

but it does not need message intent, they work without slash, you would need a command/function that discord is okay with, and only work with message intent

[loud canopy]

no my question is

"does PREFIX need message intent => Yes"

ok then i make prefix commands

[pearl trail]

make it @mention create_character etc

[loud canopy]

or are you telling me they are gonna say "use / commands instead"

[pearl trail]

better than nothing

[quartz kindle]

thats not a good enough reason, it doesnt pass the first criteira i told you

[loud canopy]

this is not my current bot

[quartz kindle]

yes, they are

[loud canopy]

my current bot uses 1 / command

bc i hate ppl having to learn google docs of commands

but its annoying that i have prefix commands for debugging

and i cant

[quartz kindle]

read it again, they only give you the intent IF:

1. your funcionality cannot be made with slash commands (actually impossible to make, not just annoying or harder)