development

[empty abyss]

I made a /config command that just tells the user that config must happen on the web portal, with a link the the portal.

Any attempt to run the other commands before being configured will just say that the bot isn't configured.

[warped summit]

-# 2 cute 🥰

[warm canopy]

Ayeee approved at last ❤️

[tall bay]

wow my bot got verified so fast thanks @knotty night

[knotty night]

my pleasure

[quasi lark]

so my bot runs half on a website but does anyone know how i can run it for free?

[sharp geyser]

There is no free way to run it

[prime cliff]

Ah yes because computers, hosting, network and power are totally free, right???

[sharp geyser]

I mean you dont gotta respond like that

It's not an uncommon question

Especially since so many "free" options were shoved down peoples throats

[delicate zephyr]

see #development message

[deft wolf]

And there is nothing about shared IP address?

[slender wagon]

No promotion here, datalix and digital ocean are by far the better vps providers

One is a bit expensive tho

[slender wagon]

I got to learn programming with these free servers

[quartz kindle]

google compute engine has an unlimited free tier

they do charge you for excess bandwidth tho

still, my bill is usually a few cents per month

[pearl trail]

oh really? but they need CC right?

[quartz kindle]

yup

[pearl trail]

interesting, what i only know is that they give $100 credit, not unlimited free

[quartz kindle]

their system is weird af

but yeah they do give you a "monthly" credit on certain things, effectively rendering them free up to a limit

[pearl trail]

lmao, i see. thank you for the insight

[quasi lark]

i mean i got a provider to run the scripts FREE yea but i meana website

[hidden gorge]

So i'm updating users and how i store them, does this schema look good?

i think ima rename flags to permissions

[wheat mesa]

That better not be a plaintext password

Although afaik you changed it a few weeks ago

[hidden gorge]

its not

[wheat mesa]

Good

[hidden gorge]

its a salted and hashed password

[wheat mesa]

But yeah I wouldn’t use flags as the name, rather permissionFlags or permissionBits

Flags is a bit too vague

[hidden gorge]

this is how its stored now

[rustic nova]

Hopefully not md5 hashed

[hidden gorge]

I use bcrypt

[crystal wigeon]

wat, they do charge you for the vm. but if you use cloud run it is mostly free since its usage based and they give like 1 mil requests free per month

do bot reviewers get paid here?

[deft wolf]

No, but I guess those who are the most active get some kind of compensation

[frosty patio]

No, it s volunteer work

[crystal wigeon]

gotcha

[quartz kindle]

nop they dont

they only charge for bandwidth exceeding 1gb per month

[crystal wigeon]

i believe they charge per hour

or did they change

you are talking about compute engine right?

cause i got billed just for having the dedicated vm

even when it was idle

[quartz kindle]

yes im talking about the free tier

[crystal wigeon]

ah

i might've used a diff machine

[quartz kindle]

yeah if you use any different settings from the above then it doesnt count as free tier

i have some stuff running in there for 5+ years

occasionally i get billed a few cents lol

[deft wolf]

Crazy advertising

[quasi lark]

no its for William who said he would look at my bot it isnt even launched

[knotty night]

I would say, I assume you have a transcript system also for the tickets?

But I mean, looking at the system you currently have it seems like a really good build, love the UI. So not much I can add right now.

[quasi lark]

well its with mongodb right now and there are the messages saved

you can do /setup for a "notification channel"

but i dont know what i can add so people like it more

[rustic nova]

weirdchamp ads

[quasi lark]

noo 😢 im asking for feedback

[frosty patio]

I feel like tickets on discord are better you won't have to open the browser and look for ticket it goes straight to a discord channel where admins get pinged

[zinc fable]

@quasi lark hi luca please dont advertise here 🙏 (doesn't seem like you intended to but it does come across that way)

[neon leaf]

5x faster for just using native file copying 🙏

[hidden gorge]

there has to be a better way to do this...
-# ik i added the wrong bsonType i fixed it

[quartz kindle]

better in what way? more efficient?

you could always use bitfields

[hidden gorge]

not efficient wise i mean mentally

[quartz kindle]

well im guessing you have to follow that specific schema format no?

[hidden gorge]

yes

[quartz kindle]

so not really much choice there

[hidden gorge]

i just do this when it creates a new user

[quartz kindle]

do the notification types never overlap? there will never be a notification that can be sent both by push and email?

whats the difference between event reminder and event announcement?

[hidden gorge]

not really

[quartz kindle]

then the format looks fine

[hidden gorge]

and i wondered why user creation wasn't working....

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[hidden gorge]

yeah apparently i thought i coded it but i didnt

[wheat mesa]

Axios and express

Rahhhh building on an outdated tech stack on a new project 💪

[hidden gorge]

rn i just want it to work 😭

[quartz kindle]

pro stack = fetch + node http
extreme stack = undici + uws

[hidden gorge]

i only use express bc it was what i first used for web dev and tbh found it easy to get stuff online

[quartz kindle]

tbh using express these days is fine, because there are plenty of drop-in replacements for express that use uws under the hood

for example hyper-express and ultimate-express

[hidden gorge]

also this project is slowly killing me

[quartz kindle]

wanna work on mine instead? its been killing me for years

[neon leaf]

I remember doing sketchy ci modifications to remove unused uws binaries

[hidden gorge]

no

[neon leaf]

because they were like 90MB 🙏

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[hidden gorge]

tbh im glad i dont host images on my vps

saved soooo much storage

expect this happens....

[quartz kindle]

its still like that lmao

just checked

[neon leaf]

yea

not much you can do except modify the install script to nuke unused ones

but that could break stuff

[hidden gorge]

do you guys think that Cloudflare R2 will be good enough for a long term use?

[neon leaf]

I use cf r2 for 1TB of garbage

only 25€/month

so yes

[hidden gorge]

rn its all i plan to use for media storage

anything other then that i use Mongo

[neon leaf]

wasting github runner resources to do musl and gnu at the same time 🔥

[hidden gorge]

also i very much recently learned the importance of github....

[quartz kindle]

one time i saw someone running a discord bot inside github actions

[hidden gorge]

w h a t

[neon leaf]

you can run a whole desktop with qemu

your account may not exist after doing that though

[quartz kindle]

xD

[neon leaf]

tim when star new repo(s) 🙏

[prime cliff]

Same github packages actually supports docker so someone helped me get it working with Dev Space and now i have ready to run containers for both my web and agent with runner builds 🙂

[pine willow]

Does anyone know how I can register my slash commands as user installs on discord.py???

who tf are you now

I wont join this stupid bitcoin server

@harsh nova welp

did he got banned or did he delete his message

[prime cliff]

That's a scam message

[pine willow]

no shit

???

[prime cliff]

So yes it did get deleted lol

[pine willow]

could been so "mods" wont see it and ban him

yk

because my client says he is still on this server

[pine willow]

I found out how.

[hidden gorge]

i accidently pushed an update that broke our who production server and fixed it by reverting it so that was very helpful

[prime cliff]

I wont have that issue because the person helped me setup a neat package system.

:latest (Latest version release)
:v1.0.43 (Specific version)
:master (Development version)

[hidden gorge]

ah so i just directly pull from the repo i never really use versions

[quartz kindle]

lmao sure

gg github star trading

[prime cliff]

You forgot to star mine Tim

[prime cliff]

Now all i need to do to run multiple agents on servers is a quck command 😄
So much nicer than manually downloading files and compose.

docker run -d \
    -p 5555:5555 \
    --name devspace-agent \
    --pull always \
    --privileged \
    --restart on-failure:3 \
    -v devspace_agent:/app/Data \
    -v /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock:ro \
    -v /var/lib/docker/volumes/portainer_data/_data/compose:/var/lib/docker/volumes/portainer_data/_data/compose:ro \
    -v /var/lib/docker/volumes/portainer_data/_data/custom_templates:/var/lib/docker/volumes/portainer_data/_data/custom_templates:ro \
    ghcr.io/fluxpointdev/devspace/agent:master```

[hidden gorge]

127.0.0.1:5556:5556?

thats so weird

[prime cliff]

Bind to localhost (docker default opens the port to the internet)

Updated config i did the wrong one

[hidden gorge]

also i think i found a better way to handle connection notifications so i dont have to add events for every route

in the actual toast Notification manager i just added the event there 💀

[sharp geyser]

Not how that works

💀

[hidden gorge]

thats what i was asking

[sharp geyser]

basically 5555:5555 says bind 5555 to localhost port 5555

instead of exposing it openly to the internet

I think builderb even explained that

[prime cliff]

Other way around without the 127.0.0.1: it opens the port to the internet because docker defaults it to that.

[unkempt aspen]

@steel scaffold What page on my bot web page did you visit that caused a 404 page?

[steel scaffold]

The entire dashboard is not working in general
Servers are not showing, and nothing is functioning properly
Please use the #support or move to DMs to continue your inquiry

[quasi lark]

hi im making a bot and i wanted to ask if anyone would wanna test it for feeback

[hidden gorge]

whooops

[prime cliff]

You recorded your music too kek

[hidden gorge]

i use OBS bc the dumb windows recorder broke for me

and i forget that i record Dekstop Audio

[sharp geyser]

Sounds like some brainrot music too

[hidden gorge]

its not...

[lyric mountain]

add the browser to steam to use its playback feature

[hidden gorge]

huh?

[lyric mountain]

steam has recording now, u can just add whatever exe to it as non-steam game and it'll be able to use it

[hidden gorge]

oh

[neon leaf]

🔥

[pearl trail]

epic

blurry pic :(

[neon leaf]

🙏

gcam on samsung moment

[pearl trail]

xD 🙏

[sharp geyser]

need more ram

[neon leaf]

yes actually

1 stick isnt being detected...

[hidden gorge]

I Can't fully remember would using a url like this: http://localhost:900/v1/users/68390942902cf413c68ed12d/update/profile.bio and calling profile.bio for my field param would that work properly?

url base: /v1/users/:userId/update/:field

[sharp geyser]

It’s not advised to use periods in a url path

It’s allowed yes but it can cause issues if used improperly

Why would you want to do it like that?

A typical patch request is you sending what you’re updating in the body not the url path

[hidden gorge]

it looks for the field and bc bio is under profile you have to do profile.bio

[sharp geyser]

That still doesn't explain why you are doing this in the url

[lament rock]

Why not just PATCH a whole entire profile JSON

instead of a field

[hidden gorge]

idk but i did just make it so endpoints that update a user require a JWT token to be passed aswell

[lament rock]

Something like
PATCH /v1/users/:userId

{
  "name": "newname",
  "bio": "I'm pretty cool!"
}

And if the endpoint requires a token, could do @me for the userId param if you're allowed to edit other users to refer to the current user

[sharp geyser]

Thats what I was saying

Technically you could also have the @me endpoint call the /users/:userId endpoint if you wanted to save yourself trouble, but idk how that looks like with overhead and what not

my lazy ass would do it

lol

[lament rock]

Yep. editing individual fields is gonna just lead to more traffic if the user needs to bulk edit. And if you're gonna have an endpoint to edit everything in one go, basically no one will use the individual field endpoints

less backend traffic is important

[sharp geyser]

yerp

[hidden gorge]

i hate this...

[sharp geyser]

I hate looking at that

[hidden gorge]

?

[sharp geyser]

I can already tell you ignored us despite asking for guidance. If you want to continue doing it the way you are be prepared for a lot of problems down the road

The way you currently do it will get annoying to handle as you scale and get more users

You’ll see an increase in redundant traffic that could be fixed

[hidden gorge]

i listen to your ireas

ideas*

its just rn i'd rather get it working

[sharp geyser]

Why?

You’re getting something working that you’ll "later" change

Whereas you can spend less time just implementing it properly

[neon leaf]

rip 1 stick 💔

[sharp geyser]

You’re basically wasting time on a path that won’t be walked

[hidden gorge]

bc im in a rush

[sharp geyser]

I don’t understand the thought process behind it

But you do you man

Pushing an inferior product just sounds like a bad idea

When the fix is actually more simple then getting your version working

[sharp geyser]

You have 48 cpus?

Or am I reading that wrong

[neon leaf]

24 cores, 48 threads

[sharp geyser]

Ah right

That makes more sense

[neon leaf]

just a little

[sharp geyser]

Bout to say damn

[neon leaf]

i dont think there was ever any mobo over 8 cpus

[lyric mountain]

48 epycs would be a little overkill

[sharp geyser]

A little?

[lyric mountain]

🤏

[sharp geyser]

What are we Google

[quartz kindle]

google we are what

[pearl trail]

hey google

[dusk tangle]

hey siri

[remote flicker]

wsg yall

[humble orbit]

q jarvis

[sharp geyser]

Hey alexa

[hidden gorge]

Hey bixby

[lament rock]

Hey Cortana

[hidden gorge]

Hey IBM Watson Assistant

[pearl trail]

when you can't make svg responsive, divs it is

[sharp geyser]

Yeah so

This is almost Sayuri level shit

[prime cliff]

How is that exactly gonna work on mobile though xD

[quartz kindle]

dayum

[sharp geyser]

Shrimple it doesn't

[pearl trail]

haha dont worry, i've already designed the mobile version

[sharp geyser]

Spent the last 5m wondering why my tailwind styles weren't applying

forgot I needed to add my fuckin app folder to the content array in the config

[pearl trail]

that must be painful, good that you realized in just 5m xD

[quartz kindle]

my vsc randomly stops showing tailwind intellisense

and then randomly works again for some reason

[pearl trail]

that happen sometimes to my webstorm, need to invalidate cache or it'll never work again

[lyric mountain]

oh great, sayuri has a disciple

[quartz kindle]

i swear someday i will hire sayuri to make me a website

[long marsh]

😮‍💨 converted my discord bot from Python -> GO

Immediately saw massive performance gains.

[queen needle]

Go 💪

[long marsh]

you use it?

[queen needle]

I've used it on a couple occasions, I really like the language

[wheat mesa]

I hate the error handling

[long marsh]

I'd take GO's error handling over any other language except for maybe rust with their result types.

I've never agreed with try/catch

Always felt like a hack

[wheat mesa]

So… C error handling basically

Try catch is a mess but I despise the if err != nil pattern

[long marsh]

What would be the alternative?

Besides a result syntax? Which would inevitably still be if !res.ok littered throughout the codebase

Seems like we're on the same page, Waffle – I'm just always curious why folks hate the if err != nil pattern

[wheat mesa]

It feels so archaic

[long marsh]

It definitely is haha

That's what makes it so great - simple, boring, verbose, and to the point.

[wheat mesa]

It feels like your code is more about checking for errors than actually handling them. Bubbling them up would be a massive improvement, similar to rust’s ? operator

[queen needle]

y'all handle errors 🤨

[pearl trail]

xD thank you

[willow ether]

I've learned to hate exceptions. The only thing worse than being forced to handle errors is exception systems.

I don't absolutely hate the if err != nil pattern but I feel like Rust's error pattern is better.

[dapper gorge]

Im making my first bot that I wanna make public should I make ! commands or slash commands?

[feral aspen]

Anyone else experiencing slow downloads from https://www.debian.org/

1Gb/s download & somehow the website's download is less than 10Kb/s.

[lament rock]

message commands are deprecated and are not a valid reason to receive the message content intent. If that's all your bot needs message content for, don't bother with it. Slash commands do multiple things for you as a dev - type verification of arguments and reducing traffic from what otherwise would be message create events.

The type verification means significantly less processing command names, arguments and their types, message formatting, etc.
At scale, message create events will slow down your thread a lot depending on when you shard and how. Regardless, you should strive towards reducing how much work your thread does processing useless things

[elfin helm]

how much is "massive"

[frigid ibex]

I haven't got any message about my bot being reviewed

my bot add on link is:,

[dapper gorge]

Hmmm alright thanks, Its a mostly moderation bot butwith a few fun extra commands Im trying to make it like a bot that has mostly everything someone could need a few months in the making hosting it on my home server

[frigid ibex]

it's not unsafe , its my bot link

bcs im using bot in my server

[hidden gorge]

i think it needs more scripts right?

[lament rock]

No. You should actually combine your scripts and minify them automatically if you can to reduce the amount of requests and data transferred

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

each script tag will make a new request iirc

[tacit estuary]

"c:\Users\removed\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python313\Lib\zoneinfo_init_.py" is overriding the stdlib module "datetime"PylancereportShadowedImports @sharp geyser

[hidden gorge]

ive seen sites with 100+ scripts 💀

all scripts

[sharp geyser]

one of your packages overrides the dateline package

or a import from it

[neon leaf]

doesnt mean its good

[sharp geyser]

Poorly optimized sites

[hidden gorge]

i just had to bring it up lol

[hidden gorge]

believe it or not thats the roblox site 💀

[sharp geyser]

Why do you think its so laggy sometimes?

and shit takes forever to update visually

even after refreshing

[hidden gorge]

its not laggy for me

oh

[sharp geyser]

Here's my websites current script tag usage

[hidden gorge]

yeah i see it now

[sharp geyser]

No idea what any of em are either

Since they are all inserted by nextjs

[hidden gorge]

yeah thats bad on roblox

mines better

bc less data

[lament rock]

All of this

Becomes this

[hidden gorge]

also i almost mad a veryyyyyy big mistake

[lament rock]

just 1 js file minified and it's great

[hidden gorge]

i was accidently leaking the main API key on each websocket message to all clients 💀

[lament rock]

How do you manage that

[hidden gorge]

i forgot to delete the key from the json body

i just did this to fix 💀

[lament rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096858466905235561/1266919686688342027/rage_bait.gif

[hidden gorge]

huh?

[neon leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-watch-big-watch-qaqam-yeni-rolesikim-necedi-rolex-gif-5971245783024877208

[hidden gorge]

like rn this is all i use websockets for

[neon leaf]

sse would probably be enough

[hidden gorge]

huh

[pearl trail]

ws but 1 way

[neon leaf]

https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Web/API/Server-sent_events/Using_server-sent_events

[hidden gorge]

oh

i plan to use WebSockets more in the future so i'll think about it

[neon leaf]

if you are using cloudflare this is a better idea

since cloudflare limits active websockets

[queen needle]

you could use both, websockets were they're more appliacable sse everywhere else

[hidden gorge]

i was gonna use WebSockets to send live location updates and incident locations

[neon leaf]

yeah thats good for sse

[queen needle]

Like for bug handling?/error catching?

[hidden gorge]

i have an interactive map system

and its used for incident logging and more

[queen needle]

ohh

Still sounds like sse

[hidden gorge]

i need to update calls, car locations and more live

[queen needle]

unless you update it, for everyone to see

[hidden gorge]

we do

[neon leaf]

even then, if its not often, you can simply use a seperate http call

[hidden gorge]

it live updates to everyone connected to the screen

[neon leaf]

many services also simply skip ws/sse entirely and just update data on an interval

[hidden gorge]

also i accidently made black icons on a black backround 💀

[queen needle]

http polling is also an option if that wasn't what you were describing

[hidden gorge]

okay let me run an example of what im gonna do

each icon is a call location, as soon as a dispatchers creates a call it would update across all connected clients to our live map and would create an icon and read out the call data

[neon leaf]

sse

[hidden gorge]

okay

also idk why i made it so detailed

[radiant kraken]

@tacit estuary what are your warnings?

[tacit estuary]

"c:\Users\tails\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python313\Lib\random.py" is overriding the stdlib module "random"PylancereportShadowedImports

The entire code works perfectly fine, but the yellow lines are just there.

[pearl trail]

it's able to run until this https://github.com/Takiyo0/c-resutoran/blob/e7e1e52967191960aecdb5fc5e44065b02562cc9/master/page/master_menu_order.c#L153 and then buffer overflow. but the next code is just printf, so another thread? but how come when i only use this menu

wait

oh

nvm it works

[radiant kraken]

[pearl trail]

sorry

🙏 🙏

[frosty patio]

[radiant kraken]

do not be sorry

you're goat at C!

[pearl trail]

nah, thank you <3

[radiant kraken]

i could refactor your C code if you want!

[pearl trail]

thank you! but it's an assignment so,, yeah. i won't be using it after i submit it

[radiant kraken]

[pearl trail]

afraid the lecturer see someone make a pr, tho they maybe don't care

:(

[radiant kraken]

i saw your C code, you've done a pretty great job!

even for my standards haha

i'm sure your lecturer will give you a satisfying score, as your other grades have been looking

[queen needle]

I have one C project, it's horrible, but I don't use c so it's okay

[pearl trail]

thank you so much!! an honor to be praised by c pro

[radiant kraken]

and an honor to be besties with a web pro!

[radiant kraken]

i've been writing C a lot throughout uni i love it so much

implementing algorithms and data structures in C is so fun

[queen needle]

Nu huh

No data structure implementation is fun

[radiant kraken]

most of it is fun at least

[quartz kindle]

sveltekit with bundleStrategy: "single"

[quartz kindle]

30mb website 🤮

how do they even manage to make it that bad

thats what happens when you have huge teams throwing crap on top of crap without caring about what other teams did and how the stack even works

[queen needle]

https://discord.mx/i/aXwQ3xFG8r.png

2.13 KB (@[e-mail])

DiscordMX · Jun 2, 2025, 7:03 PM

this is what im at rn

[neon leaf]

saving those 7 bytes 🔥🔥

[quartz kindle]

i wouldnt be surprised if they had multiple different systems that do the same thing running at the same time

[hidden gorge]

idk man

like mine is almost 3 MB

but i have high quality images rendering

[quartz kindle]

ye thats not bad

if its images and you absolutely need them in high quality then its fine

i like to compress and optimize mine

[hidden gorge]

its alot of our background images

[queen needle]

What do you use

[quartz kindle]

for static images, i make them all 1280x720 (if they are full screen), or close to their real size if they are smaller
and then i run a bunch of optimizers on them

[hidden gorge]

like thats all the images we use and they are higher quality

[neon leaf]

you can definitely compress those alot

[hidden gorge]

and they are like in the 20 - 30 MB ramge

[neon leaf]

they are blurred

[quartz kindle]

i've been using this for years, its pretty cool

https://nikkhokkho.sourceforge.io/?page=FileOptimizer

[queen needle]

you could run what's it called

[hidden gorge]

all i do is upload my images to cloudflare R2 Buckets 😭

[queen needle]

the one algorithm that generates the like blurry image for preview

[quartz kindle]

blurhash, placeholderimage, etc

[queen needle]

Yeah that would work for backgrounds like that where they're already blurry, and keep the resources down

[quartz kindle]

also thumbhash

[queen needle]

thumb hash is the one i was thinking of

[quartz kindle]

theres also one called "Potato WebP"

lmao

thumbhash seems to be the better one though

[neon leaf]

why did noone tell me I can do this

[profile.dev.package."*"]
opt-level = 3

[profile.dev]
debug = false

[profile.release]
opt-level = "z"
lto = true

compile deps in release mode and app in debug ??

1s builds that are fast

cheat code

[quartz kindle]

hax

[neon leaf]

I can finally do a 50mb sha1 in 100ms instead of 500ms in debug mode 🙏

[queen needle]

LMAO

[sharp geyser]

You guys know those websites that like offer services for colleges and such

They have a "Find your campus" that it then redirects you to the login page for that campus to authorize yourself and then you are brought back

Is that normal oauth or what? Can you do that without the colleges consent?

What im basically asking is, do you have to partner with the university(s) to be able to have them login directly with their credentials and be brought back or is it just using microsoft/google oauth and targeting a specific organization in the request

[spark flint]

if its microsoft, no

you have to get the college to allow the oauth app for the entire organisation

(source: i started making https://teamswrapped.com)

[sharp geyser]

I just figured that out

Have you gone through the process of getting a college to allow it

Who'd you talk to?

[spark flint]

head of IT

[sharp geyser]

Is it good on google's side then for colleges who use workspace?

[spark flint]

i had to get permission from them with proof of what it does, how it stores data, where it stores data and an example data export of their user data as proof

[spark flint]

i think so

[sharp geyser]

Damn

I mean I dont think its super urgent right now

since I can use personal accounts

but this is something I didn't consider

Stupid of me not to

[wheat mesa]

If you need someone to test, my school allows oauth

[willow ether]

I hate everything about HTML Canvas.

[quartz kindle]

why? its awesome

[broken zenith]

is it possible to make a command like /votes and see how many times you voted for the bot

[pearl trail]

of course, save a counter for a user in db and increase it everytime a user voted via topgg vote webhook

[willow ether]

The interaction between css styles, the dom, and html canvas when you're optimizing for performance makes for ass-backwards code.

Just converting x,y coordinates from the user's plane to a zoomed/rotated/scaled element is asinine because of the way css works

[willow ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/346398270731583490/1379700828352413778/Screencast_20250604_005625.webm?ex=68413207&is=683fe087&hm=409637e191a4be3570af99c63b0f05ac5bb7e0ff18617324fb7b6008b4d924b5&

[quartz kindle]

lmao, nice

are you zooming via css or rescaling the actual canvas?

are interacting directly between css coordinates and canvas coordinates?

[neon leaf]

how is this even possible

all other jobs are done 🙏

[willow ether]

4 stacked canvas elements, image layer, "static" vector graphics layer, "interactive" vector graphics layer, "user interaction" layer. 3 bottom layers scale and move with css to avoid redrawing image data.

I hate it

[quartz kindle]

svg for the vector graphics layers would be nice

[willow ether]

Canvas already does line art and crap using vectors.

I just have to manually set scaling factors for stroke and dimensions (did I mention I hate canvas?)

[quartz kindle]

it doesnt store them as vectors though, it has to draw them as pixels

an svg layer could be manipulated without having to redraw pixels

especially so for an interaction layer that has css effects like hover

[willow ether]

yes

[crystal plover]

Need a bot reviewer

I just made mine and need some tips for advancement

[compact condor]

@radiant kraken am I going in the right direction? docs https://discord.com/developers/docs/components/using-message-components#sending-a-message-with-a-component

[sharp geyser]

What exactly are you asking

I personally see nothing wrong with how you are currently implementing it

[compact condor]

You didn't see the context wait a min

[sharp geyser]

yeah no it all looks rather clean and straight cut

Though I do wonder about the excessive use of String

Null can correct me if im wrong here but String isn't exactly needed here

[compact condor]

Thanks, appreciate it, here is the context btw: #general message null helped me a lot on my python library called rustcord which uses rust and wraps it around a python wrapper to use the discord api

I'm also asking since I'm new to rust and this project is to understand it and learn from it

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

From what i picked up of my year of using rust

&str is much more advised here

It isn't an owned type, it is cheap to copy if need be, and there's no memory allocation from what I recall

Also its better for read-only strings since you can't modify it

String -> if you need mutable text
&str -> if you need read-only text

[compact condor]

ic, will look into it and modify it using &str, thanks for the advise

[sharp geyser]

But again I can always be wrong so I still recommend waiting for null before changing anything :p

[compact condor]

whoops I'm a bit too hasty

[sharp geyser]

One thing I do remember null always yelling at me for is not using &str more often ahaha

I used String so much

😭

null is currently asleep sadly, cause I am also curious to know if im right 😭

[compact condor]

[sharp geyser]

Anywayy, good luck matey and hopefully I wasn't too confusing

[neon leaf]

you cannot "copy" a &str

you can use a Cow<'a, str>

[sharp geyser]

Well yeah you can't exactly copy a &str in the formal sense

[compact condor]

thanks, will work a bit more on it and wait for null then modify it since for now its working smh

[sharp geyser]

👍

Well im off to try and continue implementing stripe

[neon leaf]

well yes but you cant copy it at all

string slices are not Sized

you cannot do anything with them except share them and read them

same as a normal String struct

[willow ether]

Don't worry about &str vs String too much, you won't notice a lick of difference on hardware and premature optimization is bad

Just get it working, get it right, and then make it fast if you need to

[radiant kraken]

yes!

since you can't really store &strs in serde serialize/deserialize structs

i guess you could store Cow<'a, str>s but that would be too much work, just go with Strings

though i suggest you use a String instead of &str for arguments here, since it saves users from reallocating the same String through to_string() if they already have a String

    pub fn new(label: String, style: ButtonStyle) -> Self {
        Self {
            component_type: ComponentType::Button,
            label,
            style,
            custom_id: None,
            url: None,
            disabled: None,
            emoji: None,
        }
    }

    pub fn with_custom_id(mut self, custom_id: String) -> Self {
        self.custom_id = Some(custom_id);
        self
    }

    pub fn with_url(mut self, url: String) -> Self {
        self.url = Some(url);
        self
    }

[neon leaf]

wouldnt Into<String> be an option?

existing Strings wont change

[radiant kraken]

yeah, that works too

[neon leaf]

&str are still accepted

    pub fn new<S: Into<String>>(label: S, style: ButtonStyle) -> Self {
        Self {
            component_type: ComponentType::Button,
            label: label.into(),
            style,
            custom_id: None,
            url: None,
            disabled: None,
            emoji: None,
        }
    }

    pub fn with_custom_id<S: Into<String>>(mut self, custom_id: S) -> Self {
        self.custom_id = Some(custom_id.into());
        self
    }

    pub fn with_url<S: Into<String>>(mut self, url: S) -> Self {
        self.url = Some(url.into());
        self
    }

[radiant kraken]

[radiant kraken]

not necessarily in this case haha sorry for yelling at ya!

[frosty gale]

templates 😴

[neon leaf]

shhh I only have 2 published crates rn

im not doing much libs

I dont usually use Into<String>

[frosty gale]

i try to keep my rust as barebones as possible so i never get into stuff like templates, traits or stuff like that

only impl so that i can continue with my beloved oop pattern

[neon leaf]

oop 👎👎👎👎👎

[radiant kraken]

there's nothing really wrong with using too much generics

[sharp geyser]

rip

[radiant kraken]

generics are so cool

[frosty gale]

a lot of oop is just overengineering but some aspects of it help a lot in clean code

[sharp geyser]

Has anyone every expressed how painful integrating stripe is?

[compact condor]

True, thanks for the reviewing

[frosty gale]

especially the zero cost abstractions like classes (if you code them correctly)

[neon leaf]

yeah I do still do some oop patterns in rust

[neon leaf]

yesyes

[radiant kraken]

yuuhhh!

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

missed opportunity to template it as <T, F, Uck>

[radiant kraken]

well you can

[frosty gale]

what do you know about templates javascript boy

that sounded overly aggressive

[quartz kindle]

enough, ts has them, and also c++

:^)

[neon leaf]

oh yes my beloved ts generics

my longest one was 14 lines

of pure type

[radiant kraken]

i remember having to write four generics in one function in rust

[frosty gale]

in ts i just use any or unions for anything with variable types i think id get sick trying to use templates

[quartz kindle]

i tried making a c++ template for all possible type combinations on a key value store (ie, <int, int>, <string, int>, <int, string>, etc)

it took ages to compile and the binary was almost 100mb

[neon leaf]

oh or my ts middleware system that had to carry types throughout my entire webserver

[radiant kraken]

💀

[frosty gale]

it should only derive a template for the type signatures you use though

[neon leaf]

childs play, try compiling a rust debug binary with no optimizations and debug true

300mb

🔥

[radiant kraken]

ugh hate how drastically rust binaries inflate once you add a dependency

like i'm talking 300kb -> 5mb

[quartz kindle]

is there no tree shaking?

[frosty gale]

rust's cargo is basically node modules in nodejs

[neon leaf]

I just set my optimization to z for my github releases

[neon leaf]

there is

if you use a high enough optimization

[radiant kraken]

to z?

[neon leaf]

ye

[quartz kindle]

z for dragon ball z

[neon leaf]

z is basically max perf (except vectorized loops) + minimal size

[radiant kraken]

what about --release?

[neon leaf]

[profile.dev.package."*"]
opt-level = 3

[profile.dev]
debug = false

[profile.release]
opt-level = "z"
lto = true

[radiant kraken]

oohhhh

never knew that lmfao

thankies!!

[neon leaf]

np

[radiant kraken]

[neon leaf]

I love the first part

it compiles ur deps in release mode

but app in debug

[radiant kraken]

what's the opt-level for --release then

[neon leaf]

default 3 i think

[radiant kraken]

oh

[neon leaf]

lto is like a level 4 but not

The lto setting controls the -C lto flag which controls LLVM's link time optimizations. LTO can produce better optimized code, using whole-program analysis, at the cost of longer linking time.

(5x slower)

[sharp geyser]

Yo ima be so for real

[neon leaf]

but doesnt matter in a workflow

[sharp geyser]

This is all cool and shiii but did you guys see the new minecraft movie

[radiant kraken]

no

[neon leaf]

bruh

theres s

i hate myself

[sharp geyser]

minecraft movie is the bomb

little corny

[radiant kraken]

i skipped it when it got released in theaters

[sharp geyser]

but otherwise good

[neon leaf]

   Compiling api v3.6.6 (/root/projects/mcjars/www/backend)
    Finished `release` profile [optimized + debuginfo] target(s) in 13.76s
root@remotedev:~/projects/mcjars/www# ls -lh target/release/
total 147M
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 147M Jun  4 23:49 api```

tiny

[radiant kraken]

saved my money to watch sinners instead

worth it

[neon leaf]

I will now use s everywhere kthx

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[radiant kraken]

me too

[neon leaf]

didnt know u could have vectorization and size optimization

[quartz kindle]

It is recommended to experiment with different levels to find the right balance for your project. There may be surprising results, such as level 3 being slower than 2, or the "s" and "z" levels not being necessarily smaller. You may also want to reevaluate your settings over time as newer versions of rustc change optimization behavior.

[neon leaf]

yeah my opt-level 3 binaries are 24M, z are 18M

[quartz kindle]

new workflow -> compile with all different levels, performance test them all, select fastest and/or smallest and publish it

[neon leaf]

just release debug mode binaries atp

[neon leaf]

sadly cannot optimize this very far tho

I need the debug symbols for sentry

without them its more like 30M

[quartz kindle]

fastest way to calculate how many bits a given number occupies

[neon leaf]

...

[sharp geyser]

I know of a faster way

[quartz kindle]

x doubt

[neon leaf]

Math.random() ?

[sharp geyser]

Nah its very simple

[quartz kindle]

Math.random() is much slower

[sharp geyser]

I will tell you in depth right now

[neon leaf]

what if negative

[sharp geyser]

Simply just don't. If you don't do it theres no need to time it

[quartz kindle]

use another table for negatives

:^)

this one is for unsigned

[neon leaf]

mhmh

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[neon leaf]

imagine ur lang not having a fast u128 smh

[quartz kindle]

i decided to give it another try at my binary serializer

[sharp geyser]

Imagine having a lang

[quartz kindle]

playing around with it for a bit

[neon leaf]

what do you think of my archive format? https://github.com/0x7d8/ddup-bak/blob/main/ARCHIVE.md

Ive optimized it very far

smaller than tar.gz and zip

[quartz kindle]

quality typings

[neon leaf]

why jsdocs 🙏

[sharp geyser]

Looks about average for a project like it

[quartz kindle]

better than ts

[sharp geyser]

bah

[neon leaf]

(and still has a file index)

[sharp geyser]

ts will always be better

[radiant kraken]

average Java project:

[sharp geyser]

I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot than use js

nah java types are worse

[radiant kraken]

very cool! i am a huge sucker for custom binaries!

great job!

[quartz kindle]

le byte data lmao, i read that literally, only later i understood it to be little endian

[sharp geyser]

public static <
    T extends Comparable<? super T> & Serializable,
    K extends Map<? extends List<? super T>, ? super Set<? super T>>,
    V extends Function<? super K, ? extends Collection<? super T>>
> Optional<? extends Entry<
    ? extends List<? super T>,
    ? extends Map.Entry<
        ? super K,
        ? extends V
    >
>>```

[radiant kraken]

EWW

NUH UH

get that away from me

[neon leaf]

Im not sure if any other archive format actually does "directories" like I do

[quartz kindle]

🤮

[neon leaf]

mine are literal directories with entries

zips are just entry arrays, no directories with content

[sharp geyser]

I dont even know what it does

[queen needle]

What's your typescript beef

[sharp geyser]

I just searched up cursed java generics

💀

[sharp geyser]

What is that

why does it exist

Guys

Have I ever said how much I hate stripe

cause I really hate stripe

[neon leaf]

sir I was forced to write this

I was held at gunpoint

[sharp geyser]

like my fucking god why do they make shit so complex with 250+ webhook events

[radiant kraken]

i don't store docs for my custom binaries lmao, so i just look at my old code and try to decipher it from that

[neon leaf]

well someone wanted a doc so they could make their own js implementation

[radiant kraken]

sometimes i get confused at my old code

[neon leaf]

(never happened)

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

i dont like the whole compiler step and the code not being directly executable without compilation

[sharp geyser]

I mean

[quartz kindle]

i like being able to copy paste the source and run it as is

[sharp geyser]

you can execute ts code

tsnode

[neon leaf]

or just node 23+

[quartz kindle]

not if i copy paste into a browser

[neon leaf]

or whatever

[sharp geyser]

Well thats your fault tim

ts isn't meant for the browser

[quartz kindle]

i often copy paste my code into dev tools for testing

[sharp geyser]

L

[quartz kindle]

i wanna be a multiplatform js dev

not node-only

[neon leaf]

become multiplatform assembly dev

[quartz kindle]

im making all my shit run in bun/deno/browsers

[sharp geyser]

Make your own browser that can run ts code tim

make bank

[quartz kindle]

exdee

btw

[sharp geyser]

Pretty sure its a thing already tbh

[quartz kindle]

isnt js gonna officially support partial ts syntax?

like type annotations

[sharp geyser]

yeah

[queen needle]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

I saw it in a proposal

on reddit

[queen needle]

I was trusting aaron's message

[neon leaf]

give it 8 more years

then maybe

[sharp geyser]

lmao

I saw it in a proposal

but there was mixed opinions on it

[queen needle]

I just want the |> proposal

[sharp geyser]

Some hated the idea

some liked it

others didn't give a fuck

💀

[radiant kraken]

i am indifferent with it

[sharp geyser]

tbh I could care less

[radiant kraken]

people's muscle memories could get used to writing |>

[sharp geyser]

I hardly use js or ts anymore

this project is the most i've used it

💀

[neon leaf]

what do you use now

[sharp geyser]

C#

[quartz kindle]

what is the purpose of storing the file's linux ownership?

[neon leaf]

ew

[sharp geyser]

you use js

dont talk to me

[neon leaf]

to restore it like it was before

[queen needle]

i use typescript elixir or go

[sharp geyser]

elixir is a lang I could never get behind

Cool in concept

[radiant kraken]

i've never tried elixir

[sharp geyser]

but the syntax is confusing

[queen needle]

It also flows nicer with readability

[neon leaf]

no

[radiant kraken]

looks pretty cool tho

[neon leaf]

I use rust

[radiant kraken]

BASED

[sharp geyser]

What is |>

[radiant kraken]

BASEDDDDD

rust gang

[sharp geyser]

Yeah now you do

[quartz kindle]

but then its pretty much linux only right?

[sharp geyser]

but before you hopped on the rust bandwagon you used js / ts

[radiant kraken]

based language choice (except php)

[sharp geyser]

C# is a much nicer language

[neon leaf]

nah, on windows its just 0,0 always

[sharp geyser]

Also I see PHP in there

🤢

[quartz kindle]

well, waste of space but sure

xD

[neon leaf]

php is where I get that money

[neon leaf]

sir

[queen needle]

// Status quo
return _reduce(xf(typeof fn === 'function' ? _xwrap(fn) : fn), acc, list);

// With pipes
return fn
  |> (typeof % === 'function' ? _xwrap(%) : %)
  |> xf(%)
  |> _reduce(%, acc, list);

[radiant kraken]

oh fairs

[neon leaf]

99% of applications are on linux

[sharp geyser]

YOu earn money on php?

[queen needle]

example from the proposal

[neon leaf]

yes

I make pterodactyl addons

[sharp geyser]

Oh right

Fair enough

cant fault a guy for chasing the bag

I do it too

just in a much slower and annoying way

[neon leaf]

what the actual fuck

[sharp geyser]

so its a pipe?

[radiant kraken]

looks pretty cool! i feel like python would've benefited a lot from this, instead of js/ts

[sharp geyser]

I was thinking of picking python back up for data analyst jobs

[radiant kraken]

since in python you need to do things like len(' '.join(list(filter())))

[sharp geyser]

but I also cant be asked

[queen needle]

I want it for syntax sugar, and readability

[sharp geyser]

Honestly just >> or << :))

[radiant kraken]

like WHY CAN'T YOU JUST CHAIN METHOD CALLS

it's so annoying when you're writing in a repl

[sharp geyser]

Wanna know what else is annoying

[radiant kraken]

what

stripe?

[sharp geyser]

That I know later on ima have to rewrite the api endpoints in nextjs to C#

but I cant be asked

:))

[radiant kraken]

😭

[neon leaf]

I rewrote my prod nodejs app from ts to rust in 1 week 🔥

[sharp geyser]

Honestly may just not

[radiant kraken]

BASED

BASEDDDD

[neon leaf]

(sentry was full of errors after but ignore)

(I used too much unwrap)

[sharp geyser]

Sorry but I don't feel like making a website in rust

wasm no ty

[radiant kraken]

doesn't matter as long as you get the 🚀

[neon leaf]

exactly

[neon leaf]

yea

I dont know how some people genuinely think rust for websites is a good idea

[radiant kraken]

me when i'm making a website in C

[sharp geyser]

It's not

[neon leaf]

like ok buddy let me load my 8MB wasm rq

[sharp geyser]

nodejs is perfectly fine for it

keep the jsx syntax

god damnit I was thinking of rust and wrote rust

I find it funny people are trying to say nextjs is dead and that no one should use it anymore

[radiant kraken]

nextjs is literally everywhere

[sharp geyser]

Right

[radiant kraken]

like name a full-stack dev that doesn't have nextjs in their stack

[sharp geyser]

I saw 3 reddit posts about nextjs dying and how start or solid is a better option

[neon leaf]

hi

[radiant kraken]

LMAO

[sharp geyser]

you aren't fullstack

you are psuedo-fullstack

[neon leaf]

pseudo?

[sharp geyser]

however you spell it god damn

Im too fuckin stressed for this

😭

[queen needle]

sudo duh /j

[neon leaf]

opt-level = z

opt-level = s

[sharp geyser]

virtually no difference

[neon leaf]

ye but s uses vectorization

so my sha1 hashes are 0.01% faster

[radiant kraken]

what's vectorization?

[sharp geyser]

💀

[neon leaf]

it turns ur loop into simd instructions

when applicable

[radiant kraken]

ooooo pog

lemme try applying it to my project

since it heavily exports lots of binaries 💀

like i'm talking

[neon leaf]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[sharp geyser]

not even a mb in sight

[neon leaf]

are you compiling for the wii too ??

(powerpc)

[radiant kraken]

yes

gotta care for those people who use the wii

[neon leaf]

realistically you can nuke the gnu binaries

musl can be used on gnu

just slightly bigger

(they include all deps)

[radiant kraken]

wait what 😭

[neon leaf]

yes

thats why alpine uses musl

no additional deps

outside of the binary

[radiant kraken]

what's that in the bottom

[neon leaf]

(unless you force rust to)

[sharp geyser]

One of those is a jar file

[neon leaf]

(and musl works on older Ubuntu properly)

[sharp geyser]

and the other is for some obsucre linux distro

[neon leaf]

(if you build gnu on Ubuntu 22, you need Ubuntu 22+ to run)

But eh

Just don't bother

[radiant kraken]

😭

[neon leaf]

Yeah

They all make it slower

[radiant kraken]

[neon leaf]

But your app will be blazingly fast

And debug build speeds stay

[radiant kraken]

BLAZINGLY FAST 🚀

[neon leaf]

Just initial build a bit slower

[radiant kraken]

if i build a project under those settings, does every dependency also get compiled under those settings as well?

[sharp geyser]

yes

[neon leaf]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

oh shit I was right

💀

[neon leaf]

You can override that tho

[sharp geyser]

troll failed, knowledge success

[neon leaf]

Either per dependency or for all

[radiant kraken]

how

😭

i wanna decrease my binary size

but without making it slower

[neon leaf]

Look at my config again

First part to be precise

[radiant kraken]

ohhhh does [profile.dev.package."*"] apply to every dependency?

[neon leaf]

Yes

[radiant kraken]

[neon leaf]

When building in debug mode

[radiant kraken]

you could specify specifics right

thats so COOL

[neon leaf]

It is

[quartz kindle]

me

[radiant kraken]

😭

[prime cliff]

me 🙂 blazor epic

[radiant kraken]

😭😭

[quartz kindle]

btw what is the purpose of having the index at the end of the file?

[neon leaf]

So that I can write file data while I'm building an index

It allows me to never need to seek

So I can stream the raw archive into an http body for example

[quartz kindle]

does that make it hard to do anything about it without downloading the entire file?

[neon leaf]

Correct

[quartz kindle]

idk if thats a tradeoff i would pursue

[neon leaf]

Well, zip is not much different

[quartz kindle]

yeah ik, thats why i asked

[neon leaf]

And tar is out of the picture Anyway

[quartz kindle]

many formats do it

i find it strange, but i guess they were invented in an age where seeking actually mattered

aka hdd age

xD

[neon leaf]

Mmm

Well I still seek, but only when reading

I seek to end, then seek to offset

Then seek for each file read

[quartz kindle]

yeah but with modern ssd's seeking is pretty much a non-factor

[neon leaf]

Ye

Realistically I still use tar if I need to stream files over http

Since it allows me to instantly decompress incoming files

Instead of waiting for an index

My format is mainly meant to be stored locally

Currently it's used to store chunk ids of where to find file data

[quartz kindle]

how much of a difference does it make to append to a large file vs prepend to it?

[neon leaf]

No clue but prepend requires moving all data manually

For no real benefit

[quartz kindle]

ye i can see why writing the index at the end is better for performance

since you cant know how big the index is gonna be beforehand

[neon leaf]

Yea

[quartz kindle]

unless you use tree

and store the index along the data

[neon leaf]

Well

That was version 0 but I need a really fast index

No compromise

[quartz kindle]

that would be a very weird hybrid tree

xd

[neon leaf]

Current format is sometimes faster at listing files than the actual ls command

[quartz kindle]

wasnt there a format that had multiple indexes along the stream? so the stream could be checkpointed

[neon leaf]

🤷

[quartz kindle]

i think i remember something like that

rate my utf8 encoder

[neon leaf]

I mean

I guess that is the fastest way

[quartz kindle]

its faster than both TextEncoder and Buffer.write up to a certain number of chars

[neon leaf]

Up to?

[quartz kindle]

about 16-32 depending on environment

on chrome for some reason its still faster than TextEncoder at 500+ chars

[neon leaf]

Hmm

[quartz kindle]

but might be some weird optimization

[neon leaf]

I've grown to hate dynamic language params so much

I wasn't able to tell that target was a mutable array

[quartz kindle]

target is Uint8Array

[neon leaf]

Ye

&mut Vec<u8>

🙏

[quartz kindle]

xD

textencoder and buffer.write pretty much scale logarithmicaly

naive js functions scale more linearly

from 2 to 1024 chars

[willow ether]

It is a good idea because then you don't have to fart around with something as awful as javascript.

Gets a decent performance bump when compiling to wasm too.

[quartz kindle]

wasm is slow af

[willow ether]

*was

[quartz kindle]

its only worth it if you're working on big data

[willow ether]

Also wasm is slow when you compile some languages into it because then you have to load the GC into wasm as well as your application.

[quartz kindle]

wasm/napi/ffi all have a significant initialization cost as well as data transfer cost, they are only worth it for either data bigger than a certain amount, or cpu-bound functions heavier than a certain cpu-time cost

all of which is pretty much on a case-by-case basis and also depending on the system/environment

wasm is good for image/video editing on the web, thats for sure

but good luck using wasm to process small websocket messages

[sharp geyser]

Im sending a nuke to stripe's headquarters

[radiant kraken]

okay so apparently lto = true makes things WAY faster but adds 100kb to the binary size

is it worth it? what do you guys think

[quartz kindle]

yes

[sharp geyser]

Im so out of touch with js

I dont know how to handle promises outside of using async/await

but I can't use async/await here

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

where are you trying to use them?

you can always promise.then(result => ...)

[sharp geyser]

nextjs client components

[quartz kindle]

uhh... do they even support async?

[sharp geyser]

they do not, but you can still call async functions in them

you just can't use await

so you can do

export default function Page() {
  async function Something(){}
}

you just can't do await Something later on

unless you can somehow make an async function environment

since the top level function can't be async

[quartz kindle]

cant you do ```js
export default async function Page() {}

or this ```js
export default function Page() {
return new Promise(async (resolve, reject) => {

})
}

or does the Page function have to return something synchronously

[sharp geyser]

no you can't do the first one

Nextjs client components cannot be async

only server components

and they also can't return a async element

They have plans to allow it sometime in the future afaik

[queen needle]

Is it just one function you need to await

[sharp geyser]

but right now its only possible in server components

Well I am integrating stripe right now

so I need to make A LOT of api calls