development

[spark flint]

people are just waffling

[prime cliff]

It's half-half really, the new CEO was part of activision management and also a company called King with a lot of micro-transaction games, plus Discord is trying to go public so there's a lot of uncertainty as to which direction Discord is going on

[wheat mesa]

Blizzard has been known to make interesting decisions that affect their software’s future poorly

Hence why people are nervous about a blizzard exec stepping up

[sharp geyser]

discord 2.0 in the works 🧌

corddis

[eternal osprey]

ah ehll nooo

please not

i like discord

[lament rock]

Im prepping the "It's Time To Ditch TeamSpeak Discord" ad campaigns

[sharp geyser]

Lmao

[sharp geyser]

Are password confirmation fields in websites becoming obsolete? I am seeing a lot less of it in web designs and I am wondering if its because they are too lazy to include it, or if thats just a new trend

[wheat mesa]

Like, Confirm Password type fields?

It’s a UX thing. People can accidentally type the wrong password, you’re much more likely to not type the password incorrectly twice in a row without realizing

I’d say it’s a must for every website

[sharp geyser]

I see

I am just noticing in a lot of mockup designs they fail to include it

Thought I was using some outdated shit

[scenic kelp]

a lot of the sites are moving towards a click to view button

i prefer that tbh

[sharp geyser]

So instead of having 2 fields just let them check over it themselves

smart

[wheat mesa]

Most people will not view it

Users are stupid; treat them as such

[quartz kindle]

just spent a few hours implementing a password confirmation thingy a few days ago lol

rate design

ignore cloudflare captcha, testing on localhost, so its disabled

wondering if i should get rid of the password requirements, people hate that stuff

im eager to see 1234 passwords in the db

[pearl trail]

so tim has been storing password in plain text this whole time!?!!???!! 🙀

[quartz kindle]

yes

:^)

jk i lied

[sharp geyser]

# SERVER_ERROR:  [AggregateError: ] { code: 'ECONNREFUSED' }
 POST /api/auth/sign-up/email 500 in 494ms

Gotta love this error

I wonder whats wrong exactly

[pearl trail]

noooo

[sharp geyser]

Is there a way I can get proper logs

cause this is bs

wtf am I supposed to do with AggregateError

Idek where its coming from

Woah no way @clear plinth check this thing out

[pearl trail]

check codes on the endpoint that have potential cause of the error

[sharp geyser]

I found the issue

Wish it was more descriptive

but turns out my SSH tunnel to my vps with postgres running on it closed

[pearl trail]

[sharp geyser]

YOOO

Arifureta got a season 3

sorry off topic

W fuckin anime tbh

[sharp geyser]

How does Crowdin work? I am noticing I am making a lot of mistakes, and polluting my commit history due to it.

It requires you to set a source path and translations path, but then whats the point in keeping the old source file if it just generates a new one.

For example say I support english (en), spanish (es) and french (fr). I have en.json, es.json and fr.json. Crodwin expects me to set a souce (base) language, okay so lets set it to en.json. Now I set the translation path to be /messages/%two_letter_codes%.json well, turns out that is a conflict cause en.json already exists, and crowdin doesn't like that, so it wants me to do something like /messages/%locale%/messages.json or something different.

Now lets say I do all my translations, I commit them to github using its integration, and now it has /messages/en-US/message.json file, so then whats the point of the old en.json file? It's not longer the source anymore no?

[rugged dawn]

isn't en.json already stored by default as your source since source path is english? or the same for any other language

[sharp geyser]

My question is mainly, is there a need to keep the old files if it just generates new ones

[rugged dawn]

no its temporary im sure, it'll be replaced

so i don't thnk there's a need to keep the old files

[delicate zephyr]

I hate it but i understand it's required to stop dumbasses getting into my account

[sharp geyser]

I mean if I delete en.json then the source is no longer valid

and then I have to set it to en-US which then just starts the whole issue of Crowdin complaining of conflicts

so im confused on what Crowdin expects me to do

[rugged dawn]

im not on the dev-side of this but i've worked and seen this before, since you're approaching /messages/%locale%/messages.json that forms a local directory and eventually as you said it'll turn into /messages/enUS-/message.json , i suggest just removing the original one

[sharp geyser]

Right

So I should just ignore Crowdin complaining about possible conflicts and overwrites

[rugged dawn]

now /en-US/message.json is your original source file

[rugged dawn]

yea ignore it, it uses it's own structure lol

[sharp geyser]

hm ok

[rugged dawn]

there was a transifex to crowdin migration, shit was hard to watch but i know devs did a great work backend

[sharp geyser]

Implementing the changes from crowdin is being a pain in the ass already

[rugged dawn]

crowdin might be a bit of pain in the ass but once u go through the initial setup it;s smooth af

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[sharp geyser]

Thank you so much

Finally got crowdin to work for me :D

[sharp geyser]

https://pastes.dev/yt7JOS1Pef think my translation keys could be a bit better or are they fine how they are?

[rugged dawn]

the more simpler the better

[sharp geyser]

The problem is Idfk what to name em 😭

[rugged dawn]

so this is fine

[sharp geyser]

First time translating

[sharp geyser]

Oh sweet

[rugged dawn]

but as the complexity increases

you have to give contexts to some things that might sound too generic

refer to few strings from crowdin/top-gg youll have an idea of hoe snippets are handled in translations

[lament rock]

Honestly, I forgot almost all of the keys I named in my translations for my bot. Even if I don't remember, I have a script generate .d.ts files off the english version .json and use the string I wrote so I know what its english value is in editor. Plus I can also just re read the translations. Most of the files are just command stuff like names, desc, arg names and desc

[lyric mountain]

source is the "raw" texts

[sharp geyser]

Oh yea I know

I was just confused on what I should be using for the source if its not going to be updated

[lyric mountain]

in crowdin you localize the raw

the source is supposed to be the base

[sharp geyser]

like it generates a new translation file

[lyric mountain]

yes, it's normal

you get the raw file and fork it into several locales, one of which might be the same language as the original

but the source must be kept

[sharp geyser]

I just ended up deleting the original source and making the generated en-US one the new source

💀

[lyric mountain]

they were supposed to be the exact same file

[sharp geyser]

Is what I did bad

Cause I dont see a reason to keep a copy around if im just going to modify it and it be the exact same

I'd rather make the newly generated en-US the new source and just modify it

[lyric mountain]

well, there's always a chance it might glitch out

[sharp geyser]

How come?

[lyric mountain]

like, when you add new keys you'd do it in the source file

so every other locale also receives them

if the source file is also a target it might bug if they didn't treat it

[sharp geyser]

I mean I guess I can make a base.json and copy and paste the en-US to it and make it the new source

[lyric mountain]

to put it simply, the base is where you add stuff, the targets are where you translate

dont add in targets and dont translate in base

[sharp geyser]

right

Just made a new base.json file, copied en-US to it, set it as my new source in the github integration app

and should be all good now

All good now

[rugged dawn]

also this, it's intended for some reason not a bug apparently

crowdin is really weird when it comes to some things, if you want to disable QA for a separate language it;s not possible, you either have QA for all languages or don't have AT ALL

[sharp geyser]

I think I accidentally just did something

I was messing around and started a pre-translate job using Crowdin Translate thing

💀

Dk what its going to do

[rugged dawn]

it'll just translate every language u support through it's machine translate and translation memory

for some languages it's good, for some languages there isn't even 30% accuracy

[sharp geyser]

Well

Now I have stuff for people to proof read

💀

[rugged dawn]

it's not a bad thing at all, they can just simply click on delete button or not approve it

my suggestion is to enable DeepL through apps

[sharp geyser]

DeepL?

that supposedly super fuckin accurate translator?

@rugged dawn So I invited null as a proofreader

how da fuq does it work

[rugged dawn]

null will basically have permissions to approve and deny or delete any particular translation for a string

[rugged dawn]

DeepL is one among the best translators, but nothing is more than 90% accurate, DeepL is the best among the ones which exist

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken

I guess you just select a language (you should have access to indo and english) and you can proof read / edit translations for strings

or can they only read and approve / deny them

[rugged dawn]

no, they can translate them, approve and deny them

[radiant kraken]

yup

there's no dropdown for it

[rugged dawn]

dropdown for?

[radiant kraken]

approve translations

or some kind of button to proofread

i don't remember, i haven't proofread translations in so long

[rugged dawn]

you should get a

[sharp geyser]

Yea there will be a check mark next to the translation you recommend

just click it

[sharp geyser]

Click Save

when you are done

and it will pop up in the Indonesion Translations section

[rugged dawn]

you don't have the perms

[sharp geyser]

They should

I gave them proofreader

[rugged dawn]

then null try relogging in

it should look like this

[sharp geyser]

Nvm

Looks like crowdin wanted to ignore me giving them proofreader

and gave them translator instead 💀

[rugged dawn]

lol

[sharp geyser]

@radiant kraken try refreshing

should be all good now!

[radiant kraken]

it works

[sharp geyser]

👍

I got to make a support server for this project now that I think of it

Gotta gather minions proofreaders

[radiant kraken]

<@&842556283450425344> <@&1353254053962055723> come here

[sharp geyser]

Ayo?

Dont tell me thats pingable for you

[radiant kraken]

[rugged dawn]

it's not lol 😭

[sharp geyser]

Thank god

I was about to become the most hated person here cause of null

💀

[radiant kraken]

HAHAHAHAHA

[pearl trail]

[neon leaf]

before:

TotalSeconds : 136,9656257
TotalMilliseconds : 136965,6257

after:

TotalSeconds : 31,1562804
TotalMilliseconds : 31156,2804

🔥 more speed

file content now multithreaded instead of just individual files

[lyric mountain]

file content now multithreaded
condition tho beware race

[neon leaf]

ye rayon handles the annoying stuff for me

i tested 1000 iterations comparing the hash of all files in the directory

always a match

[lyric mountain]

nice

[neon leaf]

https://github.com/0x7d8/ddup-bak/blob/97ad4083fc10e8f5de9dcdedec166c1ba90fb6e0/src/chunks/mod.rs#L431

still very cursed tho

[quartz kindle]

no idea what that does, but i know anything you make is cursed by default

you are the curse itself

:^)

[sharp geyser]

dang

[eternal osprey]

hey in css, how do i create a grid that contains 2 different sizes?

so the first column has a 2fr:1fr ratio

second column an equal ratio like 1fr:1fr

[neon leaf]

correct

its for my deduplicated backups

aka store once reference how many times you want

[quartz kindle]

you define that on the items

the grid itself is equal sized, but the items can occupy different amount/aspect ratio of cells within the grid

[eternal osprey]

yup! i got it! Thanks!

I was able to set the grid-columns to repeat 6, 1fr

and then define how much span each item took.

[sharp geyser]

No idea what that is

[prime cliff]

Hi Robert

[neon leaf]

hi

[quartz kindle]

no

[neon leaf]

hi tim

[amber rose]

Tim 🍽️🥘🍎

[quartz kindle]

hi

[eternal osprey]

hey guys

no matter what i do:

client.on(Events.PresenceUpdate, async (oldPresence, newPresence) => {```
this simply never emits

eventhough my bot has presence intents

[lament rock]

Did you actually specify the intent in the WS options when constructing the client

[sharp geyser]

Are you doing the intent when loggin in

Dang Ophi beat me to it

[lament rock]

I no life more

jk

[eternal osprey]

nope lmao

tyyy

https://tenor.com/view/kith-cat-gif-19503361

[small tangle]

why the different functions and not something like is_token_type(your_expected_token_type)

@unkempt ocean ^^

[hard edge]

@radiant kraken 🎫[@community guidance]
<ht
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s:/
%64%69%73%63%6f%72%64%2e%67%67/%59%74%38%6b%4d%78%45%51%4e%45>

[small tangle]

bro

[hard edge]

@radiant kraken

how are you

@small tangle

[small tangle]

inline bool is_token_type(const calculator_token_t* const token, calulator_token_type(?) expected_type) {
  return token->type == expected_type
}

something like this? im not familiar with cpp

[sharp geyser]

they are the same, so you'd have to do expected_type->type no?

[small tangle]

thats pseudocode bc idk if null even has this type

and calculator_token_t != calulator_token_type

[sharp geyser]

oh wait

💀

Yep I see now, still waking up from nap

does C have enums?

[radiant kraken]

yes

[radiant kraken]

token->data can still be different

[sharp geyser]

I'd use enums personally

[sharp geyser]

wait what

what is data?

[radiant kraken]

the number itself (if operand) or a character (if operator)

[small tangle]

how can it be different?

[sharp geyser]

Right but does the number itself matter in this case

[sharp geyser]

You are simply checking the type

You dont make use of data even in your original code

[small tangle]

i dont understand your token types, normally you would have a different type for every single thing like:

pub enum TokenType<'a> {
    #[token("(")]
    LeftParenthesis,
    #[token(")")]
    RightParenthesis,
    #[token("{")]
    LeftCurlyBrace,
    #[token("}")]
    RightCurlyBrace,
    #[token(",")]
    Comma,
    #[token("+")]
    Plus,
    #[token("*")]
    Star,
    #[token(".")]
    Dot,
    #[token(";")]
    Semicolon,
    #[token("_")]
    Underscore,
    #[token("=")]
    Equals,
    #[regex("[a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z0-9<>,]*", | lex | lex.slice())]
    Identifier(&'a str),
    #[regex("[0-9]+", | lex | lex.slice().parse().ok())]
    Number(i64),
    #[token("func")]
    Function,
    #[token("interface")]
    Interface,
    #[token("struct")]
    Struct,
    #[token("package")]
    Package,
    #[token("type")]
    Type,
    #[token("return")]
    Return,
    #[token("main")]
    Main,
    #[token("int")]
    Int,
}

that was my token types for my rust lexer e.g.

but maybe i just dont understand your approach

[radiant kraken]

me too

(if i use rust)

except i'm writing a tokenizer from scratch in C

[small tangle]

how does the language change the approach?

[sharp geyser]

I guess it depends on what C offers in regards to what rust has

[small tangle]

fair

[sharp geyser]

Idk what C has since its a rather old language, not all the "modern" aspects exist

[radiant kraken]

and that's what i love about C

you're only left with the most barebones tools

but that also means you also had to get your brain to work

[small tangle]

[sharp geyser]

Is it still not possible to use enums here?

Just out of curiosity

[radiant kraken]

it's possible

[sharp geyser]

I've only ever used enums when making something like this to represent tokens

[radiant kraken]

try ```c
typedef enum {
TEST1, TEST2, TEST3,
} Something;

[radiant kraken]

all that effort just for something like this 😭

[neon leaf]

the output should be negative tho

--(10,42+-358,5)5
(10,42+-358,5)5
(10,42-358,5)5
-348,08*5
-1740,4

[lyric mountain]

I dont think -- is a valid operator in a calculator

[neon leaf]

yeah but -- just resolves to +

-(-1) = 1

shouldnt be valid tho

[lyric mountain]

yeah, but without parentheses it's not a valid thing

unless there's a left value

so 1--2 would be valid due to 1 - -2

[neon leaf]

still depends on calculator

my powertoys one cant

[queen needle]

Desmos can

https://discord.mx/i/QSlsI8fnVJ.png?

189.78 KB (@[e-mail])

DiscordMX · Apr 29, 2025, 5:29 PM

[lyric mountain]

tbf, desmos can even do physics simulation

one day someone will run doom on it

cuz bad apple was already done ofc

[neon leaf]

already done in 2021

https://www.reddit.com/r/desmos/comments/kt2vrj/finally_doom_fps_3d/?rdt=61949

[lyric mountain]

well damn

[neon leaf]

close enough

[queen needle]

theres another one that is something similar to the like walls of desmos

[queen needle]

Embedded videos 💔

[neon leaf]

🥀

[deft wolf]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/desmos/comments/kt2vrj/finally_doom_fps_3d/?rdt=61949

[digital swan]

that font looks rather delicious

[sharp geyser]

interesting way to describe something

[radiant kraken]

roboto mono

[digital swan]

oh shit no way

[radiant kraken]

my code already looks messy 😭 i aint handling it that deep

[neon leaf]

gotta fix the result tho

🔫

[radiant kraken]

i might need to differentiate between --5 and 1 -- 5

[radiant kraken]

i think this should be fixed, that was an old screenshot

cuz i found a bug with -- shortly after sending that screenshot

i didn't tell y'all

[neon leaf]

mmm

[radiant kraken]

writing calculators are so painful

[sharp geyser]

Love that text bleeds through

Where null blocked their path in the console

[radiant kraken]

wdym

[sharp geyser]

You put a black box over the path in the console so people cant see your name

[radiant kraken]

oh

[sharp geyser]

discord for whatever reason makes it transparent

so text bleeds through

lol

[neon leaf]

dam I was confused for a sec

questioning my existance

[sharp geyser]

[radiant kraken]

mspaint projects are now transparent so

when u select something and delete it its transparent

it's nice to see that they finally support png after all these years

[radiant kraken]

guys should i work on suffixes (e.g: 50%) and functions (e.g: sin(x))

honestly i feel like this is too much effort for a lil side project

[small tangle]

scams used to use believable links smh

[deft wolf]

Yea, they are not even trying right now

[neon leaf]

all good domains taken smh

[deft wolf]

Maybe too many automod rules have been created and they need to try something different xd

[wheat mesa]

Shunting yard algorithm

Easy to implement and very good for calculators

[civic scroll]

i usually throw on double negative without parens

there can only be one unary op at a time

[snow ingot]

Hello everyone

I have a question

[sharp geyser]

Then ask it!

[snow ingot]

How do i add commands to my bot's profile page ?

[sharp geyser]

Someone else will have to answer that.

[snow ingot]

Oh

Ok

thx

[queen needle]

It just happens from your bot being used iirc

[surreal sage]

For some reason VSC isn't doing types for me anymore

[surreal sage]

bun seemed to have been erroring

nvm

[crystal wigeon]

does anyone know how to invoke slash commands directly from embeds?

[deft wolf]

Mention them and click them? That's what you mean?

[sharp geyser]

Like they click something and it runs?

[crystal wigeon]

like this for example

i dont see anywhere in the docs where you could make 1 part of the text a clickable

[crystal wigeon]

yeah, you click on this and it autocompletes a slash command

like this

[crystal wigeon]

interesting. thanks!

[deft wolf]

It is in the docs

https://discord.com/developers/docs/reference#message-formatting

[crystal wigeon]

i was reading the wrong one ye. i was checking djs

thanks!

[crystal wigeon]

is there the searache dropdown / autocomplete api? i see this github issue https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/discussions/3873 but nobody has replied

ig autocomplete lets you provide some array of strings where it filters based on user input?

[deft wolf]

I know autocomplete exists for slash command choices, but if you mean select menus then I have no idea

[crystal wigeon]

yeah was looking for select menus

[lyric mountain]

there isn't

only the classic string select which has no search

[craggy pine]

@dense flame

[radiant kraken]

yikes

[deft wolf]

It's strange that this domain hasn't been blocked yet

[crystal wigeon]

nvm ignore sorry for ping

[deft wolf]

dw

[radiant kraken]

guys do u know how to convert infix tokens to prefix

i knew about postfix but not prefix

[sharp geyser]

Waffle might know

[eternal osprey]

hey, i have this:

client.on("presenceUpdate", async (oldPresence, newPresence) => {```
for some reason it is not detecting some people?

maybe because their activity status is not set to open or something?

[deft wolf]

This only detects people who are in the cache, no?

[eternal osprey]

really?
Is there any way to cache all users then?

[deft wolf]

I mean I'm not sure about it

[eternal osprey]

or is it maybe because some people have their activity status (like playing ....) on private?

Because it somehow detects all users except a selected few, that i could only see its game status of when i friended them

[sharp geyser]

you can fetch all members but its not advised

If anything do it only once at startup

[sharp geyser]

If their activity is disabled then yes

It only detects those whos activity status is set to be shared

This must be enabled afaik

[eternal osprey]

pretty sure their activity status is enabled.

maybe they are not cached then?

[sharp geyser]

Most likely

Like I said, you can fetch all members, but do it at bot startup

[eternal osprey]

ofc bro

[sharp geyser]

You dont want to do it too often

[eternal osprey]

i assume all we have to do is

await guild.members.fetch({ withPresences: true });```?

[sharp geyser]

Pretty sure yeah

Havent used djs in ages

give it a go

[eternal osprey]

Uncaught DiscordjsError Error [GuildMembersTimeout]: Members didn't arrive in time.

cuh what is this

[sharp geyser]

uhoh

how big is your bot you are using this on

aka how many users is it serving

[sharp geyser]

There you go

[prime cliff]

Hot

[eternal osprey]

Yeah i was missing the intent 😉

Okay another problem, my bot only tracks the game activity of users who are online and who dont have their status on idle/busy etc etc

Is that normal behaviour?

[deft wolf]

I don't think this is normal

[neon leaf]

finally managed to hack together a go library for my c library for my rust library https://github.com/0x7d8/ddup-bak/blob/main/go/ddupbak/ddupbak.go 🙏

[quartz kindle]

ima make a node library for your rust library that uses your c library that uses your go library

[neon leaf]

do it i dare you

[radiant kraken]

ima make a python library that calls a c++ library that uses the v8 library to use your node library for 0x7d8's go library for his c library for his rust library

does anyone here understand mathematical induction?

[quartz kindle]

ima make a lib in brainfuck that calls your mom

[neon leaf]

not possible, sir

the mom.so library is multiple petabytes

no system can handle it

[hidden gorge]

would 403 be the proper HTTP code for this?

[neon leaf]

no

503

503 Service Unavailable

[hidden gorge]

okay thanks

Fixed.

[hidden gorge]

ah

done

[hidden gorge]

another question, i'm trying to make my API more developer friendly. Do i keep it MS or change it to proper format?

[delicate zephyr]

use retryAfter key

and add it as a header

best practice

most use an X-Retry-After

and "retryAfter": ms

if you want it to be machine readable and easily handleable via code anyway

[hidden gorge]

like this is all im doing rn

[delicate zephyr]

yea

just add it as a seperate key

so

{
  "error": {
    "code": 429,
    "message": "Too many requests",
    "retryAfter:": 69420
  }
}

[delicate zephyr]

thats better

[hidden gorge]

and it sets the header

[delicate zephyr]

mint

[delicate zephyr]

[hidden gorge]

Thank you for your input!

[delicate zephyr]

always happy to help

[hidden gorge]

Honestly is using a custom rate limiter a bad idea?

[delicate zephyr]

nah a lot of people do it

[hidden gorge]

mine literally just checks the ip against a map

[delicate zephyr]

yea thats very common

[hidden gorge]

would it be easily bypassed?

[delicate zephyr]

I mean

ip rotation is possible

but sites like youtube just block whole ASNs if ip rotation happens bad enough

[hidden gorge]

ASNs?

[delicate zephyr]

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/learning/network-layer/what-is-an-autonomous-system/

[hidden gorge]

eh seems like too much of a hassle to add

[lament rock]

If it's accessed via a token, you can set rate limits per token

[hidden gorge]

thats what we want to do just creating a base for now

also each token can have enhanced limits

[hidden gorge]

So I just cross-tested it across 2 devices and seems like each device is using its own seperate rate limiter

same ip

[delicate zephyr]

you using cloudflare

[hidden gorge]

oh i found the issue

[hidden gorge]

its now basing the IP off of 'cf-connecting-ip'

[hidden gorge]

yeah so could that be the issue?

[delicate zephyr]

yup

[hidden gorge]

damn is there anyway i could fix it?

[delicate zephyr]

X-Forwarded-For

or CF-Connecting-IP

headers

[hidden gorge]

thats what im using

still not letting me

[rustic nova]

is it named cf-connecting-ip?

try checking for X-Forwarded-For too

also case-sensitive, aswell as CF-Connecting-IPv6 being a thing too

[hidden gorge]

hmm ill try that rq

[hidden gorge]

from what i saw yes

yeah still not working

[deft wolf]

So it looks like Discord is banning all bots created with Shapes which means less work for reviewers on top.gg

[lament rock]

wtf is shapes

[deft wolf]

These AI bots

You give them a bot token, configure what "character" the bot should have and chat with it

[lament rock]

Cringe

[lean swan]

Hey anyone using @common.js/quick-lru?
I am tring to make const serverCache = new QuickLRU({ maxSize: 200 });
But it's giving me this error TypeError: QuickLRU is not a constructor

[sharp geyser]

That means it’s not a class and can’t have new used on it

Are you sure you’re using it correctly?

Check your imports

[lean swan]

I just copy paste right from docs, That why I wornder why it's wont work

[sharp geyser]

Show your code exactly including imports

[sharp geyser]

Interesting

Might I ask why you are using commonjs?

Instead of the normal quick-lru package that’s maintained still

[lean swan]

I was doing for whole codebase so I think about might be using es when rework

[delicate zephyr]

you sure its not just const QuickLRD = require...

[delicate zephyr]

because the regular package only supports esm

so you'd technically have to const { default: ... }

[sharp geyser]

I see

[lean swan]

Thank you!

[ruby ermine]

hi

[still lance]

Hello

[eternal osprey]

guys, i switchd to webstorm for my frontend development

it's absolutely fucking cracked i love it

[deft wolf]

Crazy advertising from spammer

[rancid citrus]

lowkey the pack is fire

[crystal wigeon]

does anyone how to do this?? this bot is not even in my server but this dude is using its command

like wtf is wrong with discord?

i wanna do this for my own bot now

[queen needle]

You can install applications per user and then use them in servers without emepheral messages if they have less than 20 members iirc

[crystal wigeon]

my server has like 700 members and is there a way to disable this

[deft wolf]

Disable Use External Apps permission

Or something like this

[crystal wigeon]

will check thanks

[crystal wigeon]

how do i do this, i dont see any option in my settings

[crystal wigeon]

ok so i was able to install it per user but the commands arent showing up

[eternal osprey]

hmm?

[sharp geyser]

Was not talking aboit you

[crystal wigeon]

hey quick question: is there a way to only register new slash commands use rest API?

like i dont want to refresh all commands everytime i want to add a new command

import { REST } from "@discordjs/rest";
import { Routes } from "discord-api-types/v9";

const client = DISCORD_CLIENT_ID;
const token = DISCORD_BOT_TOKEN;
// const token = DISCORD_TEST_BOT;
// const client = DISCORD_TEST_BOT_CLIENT_ID;
if (!token || !client) {
    throw new Error("missing bot token");
}
const rest = new REST({ version: "9" }).setToken(token);
(async () => {
    try {
        console.log("updating slash commands...");
        const resp = await rest.put(
            Routes.applicationCommands(client),
            { body: allCommands }
        );
        console.log(resp);
        console.log("slash commands refreshed");
    } catch (err) {
        console.error(err);
    }
})();```

[deft wolf]

Ah yes, another support scam

[crystal wigeon]

ban the rat

[deft wolf]

No mods moment

[crystal wigeon]

frfr

[crystal wigeon]

anyway bump

[cinder lily]

Just make a request for every new command... 👀 (there might be a better way but that's what i'd do)
Reference the docs: https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands#create-global-application-command

[crystal wigeon]

thanks

[cinder lily]

Currently ur code seems to be sending a request to the "Bulk Overwrite Global Application Commands" endpoint aka https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands#bulk-overwrite-global-application-commands

[crystal wigeon]

i just realised im using put

ye

[crystal wigeon]

can you share a code example? im passing object in the body but im getting error Only dictionaries may be used in a DictType

        const resp = await rest.post(
            // Routes.applicationCommands(client),
            Routes.applicationGuildCommands(client, guildId),
            {
                body: JSON.stringify({
                    name: "Math",
                    description: "Do some math"
                })
            }
        );

even tried without JSON.stringify

[quartz kindle]

should be without JSON.stringify

[deft wolf]

So real

[earnest phoenix]

ik u wanna try it 👀

[small tangle]

not really, since its nothing new

[deft wolf]

I think I'm gonna open mod ticket

[earnest phoenix]

it is

[deft wolf]

Someone is advertising here

[small tangle]

[x] doubt

[earnest phoenix]

i aint doubting it

[delicate zephyr]

@modern sable 👋 (read up)

[blazing barn]

[shell tundra]

@earnest phoenix please do not advertise

[delicate zephyr]

ty zobs

🙏

[radiant kraken]

TIL google has an icon of a guy dabbing

[prime cliff]

Time to replace all my icons with that

[lyric mountain]

you can

generate a hashcode of each command, store them in a database or a file, should be a command=hashcode relation

when you reload the commands, generate the hashcode again for every command, if it doesn't match update the stored hash and reload the command

this way only commands that were actually changed will be reloaded

[quaint rampart]

sends pics of some of your components 2.0 implementations! curious how ppl have utilized it.

[lament rock]

Was about to mention there's a ton in the showoff channel of the alpha discord where people tested it early but realized that you weren't in there. I can share a few for inspiration

[quaint rampart]

WOAHHH

THAT SECOND ONE

IS ACTUALLY SO USEFUL

WTFFFF

[lament rock]

dv8 cooked with this release

[long marsh]

Are there other examples?

These looks great!

[crystal wigeon]

that didnt work either, i got the same error

[quartz kindle]

show full error

[crystal wigeon]

i figured it out. I was using Math instead of math for the command. it expected lowercase

    files: undefined,
    json: { name: 'Math', description: 'Do some math' }
  },
  rawError: {
    message: 'Invalid Form Body',
    code: 50035,
    errors: { name: [Object] }
  },```

[quartz kindle]

ah lol

[amber rose]

https://tenor.com/view/break-monitor-i-swear-rage-gaming-gif-20207711

[lean swan]

How to you guy dealing with cache in client? such as messages, users, guild

Because it's growing overtime

[acoustic bough]

depending on your library you can set limits

with 16k guilds I use about 3,5gb ram rn

[lean swan]

Yes my library does support memory limit but my host service charge on memory usage I am trying to improve the caching and find the best way to deal with it

[acoustic bough]

I just set all my caches to max 0 and set an exclusion to actually only cache the data I need

[small tangle]

you probably did meth instead

[prime cliff]

WTF 💀

[acoustic bough]

I had memory leaks up to 48gb so I'm quite happy rn

storage usage is currently a higher concern

I ran out of storage 20 times in april

[prime cliff]

Using djs eh?

[acoustic bough]

yeh

[prime cliff]

No wonder then djs is a ram hog

To compare i have a 100k bot using 4.4 GB atm and that's with a bunch of user cache and data too using discord.net

[acoustic bough]

i mean I use JavaScript what do you expect

[crystal wigeon]

anyone know how i can collect user input from options from a select menu?
like for exmaple what im trying to do is send a select menu showing the user some options and when i choose 1 i need to ask a follow up asking how many they want to use. if that makes sense

do i need to use message collector and let the user type it out? wondering if there a better way

[lyric mountain]

select menu has an event iirc

[acoustic bough]

all interactions fire an interaction create event

I'd generally advise against using any sorts of collectors

(I don't use any and all my modals, buttons, selects work just fine)

[lyric mountain]

yeah, there is one

whatever is the equivalent in your lang

[acoustic bough]

djs is just intrractionCreate

[lyric mountain]

interactioncreate would be for any interaction no?

[acoustic bough]

and use type guards to figure out what type of interaction

[lyric mountain]

jda also has onGenericInteraction, but we also have specific ones

[acoustic bough]

djs has the events structured the same way the discord gateway has

[quartz kindle]

wow djs really got worse over time

[acoustic bough]

yup

[quartz kindle]

i remember when going from v12 to v13 and then to v14, it went from 400mb to 900mb at 10k guilds

[acoustic bough]

https://wamellow.com/status

[quartz kindle]

then i quit using djs altogether

naming shards after moons, nice

[acoustic bough]

it's an insider because my name is Luna(r)

aka moon

[quartz kindle]

haha cool

[acoustic bough]

can't wait for shard 16

it will be undefined after 15

[quartz kindle]

lmao

there are many more moons to chose from

[acoustic bough]

I will probably merge the shards together into clusters

at least two shards per cluster

should help with memory - and also I only have 16 cores so more clusters is useless

[quartz kindle]

the gold standard is 8 shards per process

but you can go 16 shards per process with some tweaks

[acoustic bough]

well I have to see how my CPU and code seals with it

[quartz kindle]

shouldnt be a problem, i've never seen a shard take more than 5% cpu

on $5 VPSs

[acoustic bough]

lmao good joke

I run on a 2009 cpu

bare metal tho

[quartz kindle]

ah well idk then xd

if anything turn off compression

xD

[acoustic bough]

wait wtf im confused

I had a folder mwya/bot where my bot ran in

now I have mwya/new

same bot token but slighly different source

I deleted mwya/bot

I opened htop

it still runs

[quartz kindle]

it will keep running since its in memory

[acoustic bough]

but I stopped it

like

4 months ago

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[acoustic bough]

and rebooted the system since

[quartz kindle]

somehow its still running

[acoustic bough]

and it doesnt respond twice either

[quartz kindle]

lmao

weird

[acoustic bough]

its not even in pm2 anymore

ok lol

[quartz kindle]

xD

[acoustic bough]

ok I killed all of them and everything works

[quartz kindle]

in case of doubt, nuke them all

[acoustic bough]

ok this is what I wanted to show

[queen needle]

https://discord.mx/i/7ibsu375If.png?

With a problem like this does anyone have any tricks to work it out easier

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[acoustic bough]

rate my old discod bot (1/5 shards)

[quartz kindle]

nice

[acoustic bough]

rly have to finally kill it off

[queen needle]

because i just get lost in all of it

recur(27)

recur(recur(27 / 3)) -> recur(recur(9)) -> recur(18)

recur(recur(18 / 3)) -> recur(recur(6)) -> recur(12)

recur(recur(12 / 3)) -> recur(recur(4)) -> recur(8) -> 16```

but that's a lot to keep track of and I only know I reached the end because I know the answer, and also the last one has only one function with the end case

[quartz kindle]

i guess writing it down would make it easier to understand

im guessing it was made on purpose to confuse your brain

[queen needle]

not very nice of them, my brain is not made for this

so just kinda write them out just like I did?

[quartz kindle]

yeah

[queen needle]

Another question

https://discord.mx/i/znayw0Pxhs.png

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DiscordMX · May 5, 2025, 6:05 PM

"Incorrect. At //Point C, n will be 2 or less, since when n is greater than 2, the while loop iterates decrementing n until it has the value 2."

I don't understand the explaination

is it because the loop ends when n is less?

[quartz kindle]

n cant be greater than 2 in part C because the loop always decreases n until n fails the while test

[queen needle]

ahh and c is the return so it has to be less to get there

but at point B it is still in the loop so it will always be greater

[wheat mesa]

Honestly writing it down is the best way to track

[quartz kindle]

in point B yes, n is always greater than 2 there

because point B is defined before n is decreased

[wheat mesa]

At point C n will never be anything greater than 2

[quartz kindle]

it can be 2

[wheat mesa]

To break out of the loop above it, it needs to be less than or equal to 2

[queen needle]

I also get tripped up on substring questions like this, https://discord.mx/i/zIE0ximp18.png?

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DiscordMX · May 5, 2025, 6:09 PM

[wheat mesa]

Therefore it can never reach that point without being less than or equal to 2, hence why it is never greater than two

[wheat mesa]

First argument to substring is inclusive, second argument isn’t

[quartz kindle]

lmao these are made on purpose to be confusing

[wheat mesa]

Yeah it’s for the AP Comp sci exam

This is fairly common

[queen needle]

well that one was weird dealing with the k's and following back what it would be at each instance of the for loop

but just writing it out would help probably? just saying this is when k is 1, k is 2, going through it like a debugger lol

[quartz kindle]

yeah

[wheat mesa]

Well it starts at k = 1 so you know for sure that the first letter is o, so that rules out 2 answers. Then since the second argument is exclusive, it will only add one character at a time for each iteration of the loop

[quartz kindle]

you can see k starts at 1, so the substring is (1, 2), then k is increased by 2, so the next substring is (3,4), then the next is (5,6)

[wheat mesa]

^^

Writing it out is always best way to deal with this

[lyric mountain]

it never goes below 2

[quartz kindle]

the input could be < than 2 for all we know

[lyric mountain]

oh, right

E is in fact true then

since it cannot ever be less than 2 at point B

[queen needle]

I appreciate the help and explanation with these it is helping me understand a lot more than their explanations

[quartz kindle]

np, always down for these kind of things xd

[queen needle]

https://discord.mx/i/FnrAY2gbXy.png

https://discord.mx/i/PZGUc8Hjpo.png?

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DiscordMX · May 5, 2025, 6:15 PM

I am confused on why B is correct, i know why D is correct

wait

I know why D is incorrect*

[wheat mesa]

B is correct because the type of the array is Book, the compiler can’t tell that the method pagesPerMinute exists (since it doesn’t exist on type Book)

[queen needle]

OHH

I misread the classes

thank you!

[wheat mesa]

So glad I’m done with AP classes

High school exams are a mess

[queen needle]

all the other ones I missed just fall under these categories like substrings(i get every substring question wrong)

https://discord.mx/i/HzrHVsl6Q7.png?

The only other type I got wrong is thisn one because I didn't think all the way through the options

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DiscordMX · May 5, 2025, 6:18 PM

[lyric mountain]

they love throwing problems at you that'll be trivialized by simply trying to run the code

[quartz kindle]

lmao

i mean, a good programmer is supposed to be able to write functioning code with a pen and a piece of paper

:^)

[queen needle]

thank god im not a good programmer 🙌

[lyric mountain]

like, I get it knowing the outcome beforehand is important, but in an actual job nobody will be solving code by paper

[quartz kindle]

imagine writing code in a piece of paper and giving it to an ai robot and ask it to execute the instructions

[lyric mountain]

at the very least you'll get ambiguous requirements and told to make it work

[wheat mesa]

I mean I’m actively procrastinating at work rn because I don’t want to code or do testing 🙂

No tickets left for me to do except testing 😭

[quartz kindle]

me every day

excpt i dont have a (regular, full time) job

so i do it on my own projects

xD

[wheat mesa]

Tbf I’m an intern so I don’t have a full time yet either

[quartz kindle]

is that like a job test drive?

[sharp geyser]

Kind of?

It’s like the free trial

Often times unpaid

[quartz kindle]

that sucks lmao

[wheat mesa]

For me it’s not unpaid

I get $19/hour

[quartz kindle]

nice

[wheat mesa]

My summer internship is going to be significantly higher though

CS internships can pay pretty good, just depends on what company you’re working for

[quaint rampart]

do you have an invite to that server by chance?

[lament rock]

I think the server is only for library devs 💔

The alpha period is over and anyone can use components v2

[hidden gorge]

I need some input on our dashboard concept, does this look good?

[sharp geyser]

Whys it so small

So much deadspace

[hidden gorge]

i might have zoomed out i cant remember

ah

no it was on my big monitor

[hidden gorge]

idk what else to add tbh

[scenic kelp]

i don't think there's too much deadspace but i'd personally make the dashboard content occupy the same width as the content in the navbar

[hidden gorge]

rn its just a concept but i will take into account of this

[hidden gorge]

yeah i'll take that into account

[queen needle]

Personally the navbar irks me having the user profile not all the way to the right but having the icon and name all the way to the left

[hidden gorge]

its not actually

thats just his screenshot

[earnest phoenix]

Just made an AI

Probably gonna share it on top.gg I guess

[wheat mesa]

making an AI is not the same as making a request to an API for an existing AI 😉

Now if you really spent the millions it takes to train an LLM from scratch or implemented some new architecture on top of an existing model, that would be considered making an AI

[deft wolf]

I hope it's not a bot made with Shapes

[earnest phoenix]

Sorry didn't know that

[delicate zephyr]

cant

[earnest phoenix]

Nope, that company shutdown on discord

It's hosted by me

[delicate zephyr]

shapes got banned by discord lol

[pearl trail]

how does discord know it's shapes

[acoustic bough]

ip

[delicate zephyr]

they nuked the primary app and also checked the IP the token was connecting from

[pearl trail]

ahh i see, checking the ip..

[rustic nova]

What's shapes? Wasnt that this AI Discord bot as a service type shit

[earnest phoenix]

It's shapes inc, an AI company. Thought discord said they steal your data

[delicate zephyr]

yea, they got nuked by discord source

[knotty night]

Wow big news

[earnest phoenix]

Does this embed looks good

[lyric mountain]

you can use command mentions instead of plain text

also how will u even sustain the gemini cost?

[acoustic bough]

I offer ai shit in my bot too but it's not sustainable (16k servers)

[rustic nova]

OH CIRCLELABS

yeah now it clicks lol

Painful bots to review when you can't decline them for being a clone somewhat -ish

[delicate zephyr]

search "shapes" in #mod-logs

[rustic nova]

pain

[lyric mountain]

kinda hard to believe they didn't collect anything nor used any data to train their AI

[queen needle]

Back here with questions, I am a bit confused on how 2 works but 1 doesn't
https://discord.mx/i/SFxpxndYf2.png?

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DiscordMX · May 6, 2025, 6:03 PM

https://discord.mx/i/woRRF1E1oI.png?
For this one, the list has a length of 6, starting at 0, going to length - 1, so 0-5 how is that not 6 times ran?

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DiscordMX · May 6, 2025, 6:04 PM

https://discord.mx/i/WbVKEaSCyZ.png?

again I am lost, it resets arr so how is it not all 0's

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DiscordMX · May 6, 2025, 6:07 PM

https://discord.mx/i/jej8d0RwNg.png?
Im just confused on this?

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DiscordMX · May 6, 2025, 6:09 PM

https://discord.mx/i/UOCtdEC9ix.png? I don't really understand their explanation

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DiscordMX · May 6, 2025, 6:11 PM

[covert gale]

1 is not using else if

so it'll go through all those statements, messing the price up

[queen needle]

oh my gosh

i just misread it

thank you

[wheat mesa]

y starts at x. It is 4 outer iterations, but then the inner starts at 4, then 3, then 2, then 1. 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 10

Attention to detail is going to be your biggest priority during the AP test. If you slow down and read it carefully, it’ll save you a lot of lost points

[wheat mesa]

For this one, arrays are passed by reference, but you cannot reassign a reference and have it affect the parameter. Doing arr = new int[5] is just reassigning the reference, not the actual value held by the reference

Think of the question more like this:

public static void doSomething(int value) {
    value = 5;
}

public static void main(String[] args) {
    int someValue = 2;
    doSomething(someValue);
    System.out.println(someValue) // Still prints 2, variables cannot be reassigned when passed as a parameter. 
}

public static void doSomething(int[] arr) {
    arr[2] = 5;
}

public static void main(String[] args) {
    int[] arr = { 1, 3, 1, 7, 3 };
    doSomething(arr);
    System.out.println(arr[2]); // Prints 5, because doSomething modified the actual ARRAY, not the REFERENCE to the array
}

[queen needle]

Any clue on this one? I'm decently confused on it

But thank you so much your explanations helped a lot on the other two

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, my ts is absolutely tweaking and i really need some help

i have a js file after compiling my ts that contains 4 functions.
I got one function doing the following:

function test(){
console.log(test)
}```

at the bottom of the fille i got a simple test();

for some reason this function runs without exiting... but when i comment out the other functions it does exit???
What in the hellie is going on

getSolToMainWallet("test");
console.log("test2");```
test2 does log though, so i assume that the function does exit and return to the caller function. Though, my vsc thinks otherwise.

[slender wagon]

so guys, i have an app which also uses a discord bot, i run it on a docker and the issue is for some reason the discord bot disconnects and it doesn't reconnect unless i restart docker. Any workaround of that?

[delicate zephyr]

Using a lib or not?

[slender wagon]

discord.js

[delicate zephyr]

they fire events on disconnect

you can force a reconnect

[slender wagon]

oh okay

[delicate zephyr]

other than that add some debug logging for those events and see why it's crashing out

[slender wagon]

yeah i will thanks alot.

[delicate zephyr]

no problem

[sharp geyser]

It’s not really smart to force a reconnect.

From what I recall anyway

If it’s disconnecting and not reconnecting on its own, then you need to start a new session all together.

Discord.js should be handling this though which is weird it’s not

There’s some other underlying issue here

[delicate zephyr]

from what I remember is it's not recommended but honestly it doesn't matter. As long as you use the correct public methods it's handled the same way

since it's all internal logic

[sharp geyser]

I see

From what I was told forcing a reconnect is bad

But this was years ago

If it works it works

That’s my motto

[quartz kindle]

you mean the program is not exiting from reaching end of code? that means whatever getSolToMainWallet does is keeping the process alive, probably by setting up event listeners

[earnest phoenix]

I replaced the AI with Google Search because the Gemini API costs are giving me headaches

[queen needle]

so you can't replace the entire array but you can use indices?

to replace things

some of the problems are stupid, asks about what an array looks like at a certain time in a for loop

they just take a second and are easy for error

[wheat mesa]

Yes, because the array is an object. The variable named arr is just a reference, but if you modify the content of the value it points to, then it’s modified for all references

[queen needle]

so it's like

4-0
4-1
4-2
4-3
4-4? all being summed

[queen needle]

ahh i understand now, thank you

[wheat mesa]

1 + 2 + 3 + 4

[queen needle]

those two get the same answer, i just truthfully don't understand where your 1,2,3,4 come from

[wheat mesa]

The inner loop is the one that increments count, right

[queen needle]

yes

[wheat mesa]

So then each time the inner loop runs, it increments once. The inner loop first runs 4 times, then 3 times, then 2 times, then 1 time

[queen needle]

ohhh

i just went, it runs 4 times, starting at x, so inner_end - outer_variable because y is set as x

so it's the same thing i just thought about it really weird

do you have any other general tips

[wheat mesa]

Honestly the biggest thing is to just take your time and fully understand the question before answering it

[queen needle]

yeah, most of the mistakes i've made are very small things

[sharp saddle]

can't put image links in large_image property in activity?

I'm testing this, and it's not working

[earnest phoenix]

Where do you guys host y'all bots on? I host it on silly development and discord bot host.net

[lament rock]

I used to host mine on Contabo which offered great stats for great price, but their support is ass and one of my VMs was totally unreachable for over 9h one time so I swapped to GalaxyGate. Much better experience for my intend-to-be-large projects. For smaller/personal projects I bought an orange pi 5 I have right next to me

[earnest phoenix]

Nice

[deft wolf]

VPS

[pearl trail]

oooo

[slow mauve]

Some on bisecthosting some, on my home server

[prime cliff]

I love how 1 person writes an entire paragraph of their host then there is this guy with "VPS" as if that wasn't obvious

[deft wolf]

The topic of the host I use has been discussed here many times + I don't want it to be considered advertising

Especially when talking to "new" users of this chat

Besides, using a VPS to host bots is not as obvious as it might seem since most people still use "discord bot hosting"

[earnest phoenix]

Ah okay

My bad

[acoustic bough]

me when hosting on bare metal

[elfin helm]

you "made" an ai?

[small tangle]

aka consumed an ai api :p

[lament rock]

I remember a dev here once that was training their Ai off messages back when that was socially acceptable

I think the Ai had problems with being a little too out of pocket or nonsensical

[delicate zephyr]

you mean like every AI that's trained off the internet ever

lmao

there's a reason for SRA when I add chatbot memory I'm specifically making it a keybased memory that is linked to their API token

[earnest phoenix]

Not anymore. Deleted it due to high APi cost

[delicate zephyr]

kinda funny icl

im hosting a localai instance that solves most of the issues with the chatbot endpoint we provide

so

[crude vale]

@shell tundra @dense flame @unkempt ocean ☝️

[shell tundra]

pinging one person is enough

@covert phoenix please do not advertise

[lyric mountain]

that was quick

[sharp geyser]

Lmfao

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah cuz of this

[lyric mountain]

yeah, it's nigh impossible to have an AI bot in discord due to that

no wallet will be able to sustain it for longer than a few weeks

your only option is to have a selfhosted llm, which has it's own issues

[neon leaf]

jokes on you

im still running mine

(1000€+ spent)

(im in debt)

[lyric mountain]

💀

[ionic dawn]

Why are you guys relying on 1 api?

[neon leaf]

im doing 2

anthropic and openai

[ionic dawn]

use multiple ais, you can have a list of 10/15 AI's and you wont runout of free daily tokens

[neon leaf]

"free"

[earnest phoenix]

True

[ionic dawn]

they are

[earnest phoenix]

No AI is free

[ionic dawn]

most have a daily free token amount

ai wouldnt be popular if millions of users couldnt use it for free for stupid questions

im talking for small bots btw, imagine having an AI bot for your community, thats super duable for free, the only cost would be the hosting

no AI company will ban you if you rotate and manage spam and rate limits

[deft wolf]

Why would you need an AI bot when you already have a community 🤔

[sharp geyser]

W

Validation works

and error reporting also works aside from when an error occurs with the SMTP stuff but yeah

I still need to do a stepper for the register stuff, cause I want to incorporate doing verification into signup, but I can't be asked right now

[ionic dawn]

Im in a developer server where when someone needs help a thread is created in his help message and the ai gives an answer, you would be surprise on how many times no other user help is required for their question

[deft wolf]

Idk why but it sounds like a very bad thing

[ionic dawn]

why?

[deft wolf]

AI responses are not welcome on any of the servers I'm on. Feeding people AI answers is simply bad practice that firstly makes you a lazier person and secondly takes away the contact with another human being which is probably important in the community (apart from the fact that AI is mostly wrong and it's hallucinating)

[earnest phoenix]

True

[vale sage]

I got a bot to share with you guys that I built that I leverage for Japanese products I buy frequently

[neon leaf]

clippy ❤️

[solemn latch]

We give warnings for AI responses too.

Its been awhile though.

[sharp geyser]

Acknowledged. I recognize that AI-generated responses are also subject to moderation protocols. Noted that a significant time interval has passed since the last instance.

[solemn latch]

Thanks for the totally normal response

[sharp geyser]

No problem

[deft wolf]

The most normal response from a "blockchain developer"

[quartz kindle]

just did that the other day with nodemailer lol

[sharp geyser]

Oh?

I’m using node mailer as well

[quartz kindle]

the most annoying part is honestly setting up all the checks and redirects on relevant pages

if not logged in, redirect to X, if logged in but not verified, redirect to Y,

and all the testing to make sure it works

[sharp geyser]

Well luckily if they aren’t verified they can’t even login to begin with

So I just check on pages that require auth if they are logged in

[neon leaf]

Ive really come to hate nodejs streams ever since using rust

[sharp geyser]

I use better-auth

[quartz kindle]

i tried it

hated it

[sharp geyser]

Really?

Why’d you hate it

[quartz kindle]

felt so bloated, it doesnt provide functions that do the basic things you want without rolling some sort of webserver api on its own

you have to make backend fetch requests to itself

instead of calling its funcgtions directly lol

and some of its auth functions are supposed to be called from client side

like i cant run my own forms stuff?

idk i tried but i didnt like it

so i ditched it and rolled my own using lucia v4 as a base

[sharp geyser]

Wym?

You definitely can

I use my own forms

[sharp geyser]

What do you mean here?

[sharp geyser]

Web api?

When was the last time you’ve used it?

None of the problems you had with it seem to be the case anymore

[quartz kindle]

like last month lol

[sharp geyser]

Interesting

I’ve not had any issues with it

None of what you described I’ve had to do

[quartz kindle]

for example i tried using authClient.signUp.email on my backend after receiving data from the form, and it failed

then i saw in the examples that authClient is supposed to be used from the client side

[sharp geyser]

authClient is meant to be used on the client side

It makes server calls internally

To validate what it’s being fed

[quartz kindle]

yeah

so if you use authClient, you dont use your own forms, i mean you dont submit them the normal way

[sharp geyser]

Wym?

I’m confused on what you’re talking about

I can show you my code if you’d like

[quartz kindle]

like

[sharp geyser]

I use my own forms, validate them and everything

[quartz kindle]

the normal way is this:
form -> submit -> backend -> register

if authClient is used client side, than they want you to do this instead:
form -> js -> auth

ignoring/bypassing your own backend

[sharp geyser]

Why would you need your own backend?

[quartz kindle]

because i do?

[sharp geyser]

What would you do yourself?

[quartz kindle]

thats what i meant

they dont let you integrate it in your own backend

they replace your backend

i didnt like that

[sharp geyser]

I understand that, I’m wondering why you’d need your own backend here though

In what scenario

It’s meant to replace the auth part of your backend

[quartz kindle]

in what scenario wouldnt i want my own backend lol

[sharp geyser]

You can still have your own backend

You just wouldn’t handle auth yourself

You’d offload it to better-auth

[quartz kindle]

that makes it way too weird for me

[sharp geyser]

Interesting

[quartz kindle]

having half of your backend outside of your control

[sharp geyser]

I mean fair enough I guess

I just don’t have the know how to implement auth securely myself

[quartz kindle]

im using sveltekit, i use its backend on many things

[sharp geyser]

And most articles are half baked and from people who have no idea what they are talking about

[quartz kindle]

every page has a frontend and a backend component

[sharp geyser]

I have a C# backend

[quartz kindle]

ah lol

[sharp geyser]

Yeah

If I knew how to securely implement auth I would

[quartz kindle]

i mean, idk about c#

[sharp geyser]

But no one seems to know what they are talking about