development

[frosty gale]

oh well i'll get the cheapest one and see how things go, i dont need strong cpu performance anyways

[quartz kindle]

ah now i remembered, i went with epyc because the other one doesnt have US location

but yeah europe hosts are much cheaper for some reason

[neon leaf]

There is a simple reason

Noone has a true monopoly

There's so much competition

[quartz kindle]

datalix still has these lol

[neon leaf]

Yep and they aren't even the cheapest you can get

Datalix is still pretty expensive

[quartz kindle]

compared to what? contabo?

[frosty gale]

oh hetzner blocks outbound SMTP dont they

[neon leaf]

Nah there are some hosts that are German only

[quartz kindle]

ah

[neon leaf]

You can open a ticket to unblock

[frosty gale]

that unblock request was easy lol

[surreal sage]

Has anyone here used Minio with Loki?
Struggling badly with creating a config atm

[frosty gale]

nice

i think its because ive had my account for a while and verified my ID as well since they forced me to

so i dont need to get manually approved

[neon leaf]

Ye

[acoustic bough]

been pretty happy with datalix since 2022

[neon leaf]

If you already paid some bills unblocking ports is easy

Same for verified id

Lucky for me I never had to verify Id because I live in germany

[deft wolf]

Real

I recently wanted to pay for a server and somehow I have 50TB of traffic on my server without buying any add-ons

[acoustic bough]

they gave 50tb to anyone that was at a specific data center location due to some migration related downtime

iirc

[deft wolf]

It's strange because I didn't get any email or anything like that

[acoustic bough]

hm

[neon leaf]

Most of it is announced in the discord

[deft wolf]

💀

This is the first time I hear about its existence

[acoustic bough]

i need to get more ppl to use my affiliate o I can pay my server just with them again

[frosty gale]

i swear backups in hetzner are a scam

if you just take a snapshot once a week or more often you save so much money

[solemn latch]

hmm 👀
https://www.netcup.com/en/server/root-server/rs-1000-g11-iv-12m#rs-1000-g11-iv-mnz

I just realized what I'm paying for all my VPS's, I need to just combine them all.

[quartz kindle]

oh not bad

any benchmarks for this one?

[solemn latch]

Its on the list to check it.

I'm also looking at CCX13 on hetzner

We need a thread dedicated to VPS's

[neon leaf]

I should probably look into saving some money too

im spending 200€ per month on servers

[quartz kindle]

jesus

[solemn latch]

I just realized I have 5 VPS's

I can combine most of them to something way more reasonable.

[quartz kindle]

i recently canceled galaxygate, so im only paying for hetzner rn

and google, but google is like a few cents per month

[solemn latch]

Yeah, I'm still paying for their $10 lightning.

I dont even know whats on that server.

I really messed up, I have VPS's with no notes on whats on what.

[neon leaf]

part of the problem is this but its not like I can remove any here

[solemn latch]

There might be litterally nothing on my GG VPS

I might just move everything to hetzner since I know hetzner

I just wish hetzner had US based ARM with dedicated cores.

I'd buy that instantly

[neon leaf]

I just moved most stuff home ~1.5years ago

but homeserver is getting full and I still dont have fiber

[solemn latch]

This week I'm just going to figure out what each server is doing and build a plan to combine everything.

[quartz kindle]

damn thats also the newest epyc cpus

spicy

[solemn latch]

It doesnt seem to be much faster than the hetzner ones

left netcup, right hetzner

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5897vs5088/AMD-EPYC-9634-vs-AMD-EPYC-9654

[quartz kindle]

thats not what they use in their amd vps offers

[solemn latch]

their dedicated vcpu does

i cant find the 7002's

[quartz kindle]

yeah but its 40+ bucks

[solemn latch]

or their stats

$15 👀

https://i.imgur.com/B7kwPBe.png

[quartz kindle]

AMD Milan EPYC™ 7003 and AMD Genoa EPYC™ 9654

[solemn latch]

idk how much slower the 7003 is though

[quartz kindle]

which one is which?

[solemn latch]

I think its random 👀 idk

[quartz kindle]

that makes no sense lol

[solemn latch]

i know

I'll ask their support later

I cant find the 7003 on cpubenchmark

[quartz kindle]

its a series, not a single cpu

its from 72xx until 79xx lol

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/7003-series.html

[solemn latch]

so it means litterally nothing, fun

[quartz kindle]

exactly

its bullcrap marketingt

also, what do thyey use in the netcup shared cpu vps?

is it the same cpus as the root servers?

[solemn latch]

I dont see anything listed

they dont even list ddr version

[quartz kindle]

more bullcrap marketing

:^)

thats why we need benchmarking

[slender wagon]

is it possible to send a ephemeral message when someone's message is deleted?

[real rose]

not afaik

needs to be an active interaction

[slender wagon]

aha ok, ty

[burnt haven]

Which web ?

[solemn latch]

hetzner

[burnt haven]

🤡 Expensive

[solemn latch]

dedicated cores are more expensive

[burnt haven]

Yeah But Every hosting prefers General

For more profit

& only 8-16 Gb dedicated

[solemn latch]

👀 whos your host?

[solemn latch]

is this more the prices you're looking for?
https://i.imgur.com/pTKeUGr.png

[pearl trail]

isn't that still hetzner?

[pearl trail]

anyone encountering this on azure portal?

[pearl trail]

ok sorry, my clock was off

[dense solstice]

Are you able to fix it up?

[pearl trail]

yep, i synced my time

[dense solstice]

Glad you got it fixed,have a great day ahead

[pearl trail]

thanks :D

[prime cliff]

Azure is so amazingly broken and weird all the time it's a wonder how companies even put up with it

One time i managed to change a setting on the azure directory for internal users that somehow broke my main email account being able to login to the portal.

Tried twice to get support to fix it but they couldn't verify i owned the directory even though it's tied to my email account wtf.

I gave up after a month or two but then discovered a really fking weird mechanic of azure directory.

The first internal user of the directory gets assigned a main_email#[e-mail] and doing a password reset on that forwards it to your main email address and was able to login that way.

[pearl trail]

aww, but tbh in my experience, their support is like the best. they respond fast (1-3 days) and is very polite

[lyric mountain]

companies opt for headache and suffering just for the sake of using a big name third party

something something better support

[solemn latch]

Yep!

I like to see what people think of the cheaper plans.

I think people get confused about raw cpu core count and ram. Higher number doesnt mean better. I find it intresting how many people just go for specific core counts and amount of ram rather than the quality of the cores/ram/networking/disk.

[quartz kindle]

thats why benchmark matters

i went for hetzner specifically because of disk speeds

since i need fast file io

benchmarks got me ~1.5 gbps disk reads

on galaxygate it was ~400mbps

and the google free vps is like ~50mbps

lmao

[solemn latch]

I hate leaving galaxygate behind 😦

I really like their staff

[spark flint]

hetzner isn't expensive

its one of the best value hosts icl

[burnt haven]

I'm getting gold vps in 9.5$

8 gb ram

[spark flint]

which host

because that with hetzner is $7.14

[burnt haven]

My friend is a regular customer & he renews like 70 Vps so discounted price

[burnt haven]

Oh ok

Didn't check 🤡

[spark flint]

with one of the hosts i use

its ~$6

[burnt haven]

50 Gb nvme ._?

[spark flint]

nvme

[spark flint]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express

[burnt haven]

Ik nvme 🤡

But 50 Gb only

[spark flint]

thats not bad

their full plans

[burnt haven]

My autocorrect

🤡

[spark flint]

their other company

[burnt haven]

What's the average price of 1 gb ram python server ?

[spark flint]

any server is a python server when you install python

[burnt haven]

🤡

[spark flint]

you could go for a $2.99 plan

which would do what you need

[burnt haven]

I am talking about some other server providing company which sells servers through VPS

[spark flint]

idk then

i dont use python and i just host stuff myself

[solemn latch]

Wanna share a benchmark of the server?

[burnt haven]

Idh rh

I have not renewed it for last 3 months

[solemn latch]

ah

@quartz kindle I always lose the command, whats the benchmark command?

I'll check the hetzner one today.

[spark flint]

hetzner auction servers are actually insane icl

[solemn latch]

I hate how much more expensive they are now 😦

[spark flint]

if i had to build an infrastructure from scratch with like $150 budget that needs to scale, i'd go for 5x these lol

[spark flint]

tbf mines not gone up that much

[solemn latch]

Its that time of year though, they'll be cheaper late summer.

You get locked in with auction iirc

[spark flint]

in the last 2-3 years its gone up like 5eur a month

yeah

they only increased when they had to

[solemn latch]

yeah, but new ones are more expensive. the 5900x servers were dirt cheap

[spark flint]

yeah

[solemn latch]

should have gotten one at the time 😦

[spark flint]

tbf their new servers are insane

like this

for the price

[solemn latch]

if only they existed in the US 😦

one day

[pearl trail]

their singapore is $10 more lmao, and 10TB -> 1TB bandwidth

[solemn latch]

I swear I found a host that did singapore for $5 a month. it was a dedicated server. Wild

I just couldnt justify the location.

[quartz kindle]

i like this one, but its old
https://github.com/jgillich/nixbench

[solemn latch]

Yep thats the one I was thinking of

[quartz kindle]

this one is also good
https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script

[pearl trail]

time to benchmark my pc

[solemn latch]

good idea, I'll benchmark mine even though I have 40 different things open right now

[pearl trail]

lmao

[solemn latch]

geekbench is too slow 😦

[pearl trail]

do you use wsl or native linux?

[solemn latch]

native, I just mean it takes too long.

Heres my important stats

[quartz kindle]

which one is this?

[solemn latch]

my pc

[quartz kindle]

ah xd

[solemn latch]

I feel like my drive should have been faster. But oh well

I got frustrated with docker, so I'll test the hetzner one real quick

❤️ hourly billing

[earnest phoenix]

[solemn latch]

Lets see how this goes ^-^

[pearl trail]

lmao (the disk is my external drive)

[solemn latch]

facinating

Fresh hetzner CCX13 @quartz kindle

👀 this looks awful, am I crazy?

3 servers tested
Left: Hetzner CPX11 5.09/mo

Middle: Hetzner CCX13 12.99/mo

Right: Galaxygate lightning 4gb 10/mo

[solemn latch]

This second benchmark script is so slow 😄

Just sitting here watching it go.

[quartz kindle]

theres definitely something wrong with that CCX13

[solemn latch]

Yeah

maybe I'll just recreate it

[quartz kindle]

which location is it?

[solemn latch]

ashburn

[quartz kindle]

same as mine

[solemn latch]

you're on ccx13?

[quartz kindle]

no im on CPX11

[solemn latch]

It almost feels like you get 1 core and 1 thread

[quartz kindle]

you can open a support ticket and complain about multicore performance being subpar

or recreate it and try again

from the looks of it, CCX13 uses the same 7003 series cpu

and not the 9654

but it doesnt make sense why multicore performance would be worse than the other one with shared cores

also dafuq happened with the network test

[solemn latch]

The servers ded

First: Hetzner CPX11 5.09/mo
2 cores: EPYC 7002
Ram: 2GB
Geekbench: failed

Second: Hetzner CCX13 12.99/mo
2 cores: EPYC 7003 or 9654(unknown)
Ram: 8GB
Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/10845316

Third: Hetzner CAX11 4.59/mo
2 cores: Altra(unknown)
Ram: 4GB
Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/10845308

Fourth: Galaxygate lightning 4gb 10/mo
2 cores: intel Xeon e5-2697 v2
Ram: 4GB
Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/10845377

I recreated it, got the same ip. Got way better performance. Waiting for it to finish the geekbench

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/18574917

(poor chat, I just want to share stats)

[limpid onyx]

What are you benchmarking?

[pearl trail]

vpses

[solemn latch]

I think I really just want the arm servers

but I want US

[quartz kindle]

weird how that works xd

[solemn latch]

I probably should have reported it

[boreal stream]

hey guys does anyone have any idea about kubernetes
so basically i seted up a cluster with load balancer to access the web i got the cluster ip and redirected that with my domain name but now i want to add the ssl certificate anyone know about this thing?

[earnest phoenix]

https://cert-manager.io/docs/

[boreal stream]

thank you @earnest phoenix

[latent marten]

anyone using nginx proxy manager by any chance and got an issue with their ssl settings? i've set up a proxy and the moment im activating http/2, hsts and force ssl, images loading very slow. by that i mean normaly my page waits for it to load and shows the full image. after activating these options, i can watch loading the image from top to buttom, which takes around a full second ;c clearing cache doesnt work

[acoustic bough]

works for me

[latent marten]

very strange :c

is there a way to debug this thing?

https://sx.f0ck.org/raw/R1FL39p.gif < this is what it looks like

[earnest phoenix]

isn't that because of the quality of the picture and your network not enjoying it?

[lament rock]

a <1MB image loading that slow does seem odd

even on slow connections

[latent marten]

nope, because i had this issue on another vps and project already but ignored it till now

[lament rock]

Does this only happen when you change nginx settings?

[latent marten]

tbf its not that slow on my other project, but i can tell its because of the ssl settings

yes, and i cant reverse it

even if i turn it off, the images load slowly. it has to do with ssl settings since i just activated it and moments befor i did with an unsafe host, it just worked fine

[lament rock]

Oh even when proxied by nginx, just unsecure still it was fine?

[latent marten]

jup, as long as no ssl was activated

[lament rock]

What does your nginx sites-enabled config look like for your website?

[latent marten]

https://sx.f0ck.org/view/qc4EDke.txt
tbf no nginx pro and thats why i use that manager thing :p

i just re-added the proxy host and didnt activate ssl yet and the image loads just fine

[lament rock]

Without knowing what those includes have in them; This is what mine looks like for a server I run.
In particular, you may find interest in configuring your SSL.

server {
    listen 80 default_server; # [6]
    listen 127.0.0.1:80 default_server; # [6]
    server_name amanda.moe; # [1]
    return 301 https://$host$request_uri;
}

server {
    listen 443 ssl http2 default_server; # [6]
    listen 127.0.0.1:443 ssl http2 default_server; # [6]
    server_name amanda.moe; # [1]
    ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/amanda.moe-0001/fullchain.pem; # [3]
    ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/amanda.moe-0001/privkey.pem; # [3]
    ssl_session_timeout 1d; # [2]
    ssl_session_cache shared:MozSSL:10m; # [2]
    ssl_session_tickets off; # [2]
    ssl_dhparam /etc/nginx/ssl/dhparam.pem; # [2] [5]
    ssl_ciphers ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; # [2]
    ssl_prefer_server_ciphers off; # [2]
    client_max_body_size 5M;
    proxy_set_header Host $host;
    proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr;
    location / {
    proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; # [4]
    proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:10400;
    proxy_http_version 1.1;
    proxy_set_header Upgrade $http_upgrade;
    proxy_set_header Connection "upgrade";
    }
}

[latent marten]

thats a big config though ^^ thanks, ill try it later

[prime cliff]

You don't need to listen on 80 if you have cloudflare since it will automatically redirect

Also cloudflare origin certs are better to use over lets encrypt especially because it's a wildcard cert for any of the sub domains

[spark flint]

ran nixbench on a new dedi

cpu

Sha256 (1x) : 675.11 MB/s
Gzip (1x) : 667.60 MB/s
AES (1x) : 954.40 MB/s

Sha256 (32x) : 12070.78 MB/s
Gzip (32x) : 6881.62 MB/s
AES (32x) : 34863.30 MB/s

disk

1. run : 1086 MB/s
2. run : 1107 MB/s
3. run : 1107 MB/s
4. run : 1090 MB/s
5. run : 1104 MB/s
   Average : 1099 MB/s

geekbench

Single-Core Score : 9126
Multi-Core Score : 83813
Result URL : https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/18576946

host

OS : linux
Platform : ubuntu 22.04
CPU : 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13900
Cores : 32
Clock : 5300 Mhz
RAM : 64038 MB

net

CDN : 105.28 MB/s
Amsterdam, The Netherlands : Failed
Dallas, USA : Failed
Frankfurt, Germany : Failed
Hong Kong, China : Failed
London, United Kingdoms : Failed
Melbourne, Australia : Failed
Oslo, Norway : Failed
Paris, France : Failed
Queretaro Mexico : Failed
San Jose, USA : Failed
Sao Paulo, Brazil : Failed
Seoul, Korea : Failed
Singapore, Singapore : Failed
Tokyo, Japan : Failed
Toronto, Canada : Failed
Washington, USA : Failed

good results

[sharp geyser]

Who provides the dedi?

[pearl trail]

that’s… beast

[deft wolf]

Thanks Carlos

[spark flint]

hetzner

[solemn latch]

Thats a fancy dedi

[spark flint]

[neon leaf]

why not go ryzen

[spark flint]

because this was a better deal

usually i'd go ryzen but this was a great deal

[neon leaf]

how much are you paying for it

[spark flint]

100usd a month

[neon leaf]

i guess fine then

[solemn latch]

Yeah but: https://i.imgur.com/El2Ed3E.png

;p

I want one so bad

[neon leaf]

arm64 is definitely something i should consider

would half my costs

dont really know if performance will be worse with stuff like postgres

[slender wagon]

question i have a couple messages i need to check every 3 minutes. What would be the best way to set this interval?

[solemn latch]

👀 like discord messages?

[solemn latch]

I think this will depend heavily.

ARM might perform better in some scenerios

hmm https://www.percona.com/blog/postgresql-on-arm-based-aws-ec2-instances-is-it-any-good/

[neon leaf]

ig ill do some testing with my most common queries

its hourly billing anyway

seems to be very similar speed

x86

Average execution time: 0.0899 ms
root@mcjars-eu:~/mcjars-api# for i in {1..10}; do sudo -u postgres psql -d mcjars -t -c "EXPLAIN ANALYZE WITH spec_build AS (SELECT builds.* FROM build_hashes INNER JOIN builds ON builds.id = build_hashes.build_id WHERE sha256 = '770ce85ae140b88eda9e3b7b7eb66ac72b9025beef80178893b389a50cc98fb3' LIMIT 1), filtered_builds AS (SELECT b.* FROM builds b INNER JOIN spec_build sb ON sb.id = b.id OR (COALESCE(sb.version_id, sb.project_version_id) = COALESCE(b.version_id, b.project_version_id) AND sb.type = b.type) WHERE b.type != 'ARCLIGHT' OR ((sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-fabric' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-fabric') OR (sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-forge' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-forge') OR (sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-neoforge' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-neoforge') OR (sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-fabric' AND sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-forge' AND sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-neoforge'))) SELECT *, 0 AS build_count, now()::timestamp as version2_created, '' AS _version_id, 'RELEASE' AS version_type, false AS version_supported, 0 AS version_java, now() AS version_created FROM spec_build UNION ALL SELECT x.*, mv.* FROM (SELECT * FROM (SELECT b.*, count(1) OVER () AS build_count, min(b.created) OVER () AS version2_created FROM filtered_builds b ORDER BY b.id DESC) LIMIT 1) x LEFT JOIN minecraft_versions mv ON mv.id = x.version_id;" | grep "Execution Time" | awk '{print $3}'; done | awk '{ sum += $1; n++ } END { if (n > 0) print "Average execution time: " sum / n " ms"; }'
Average execution time: 12.4211 ms
root@mcjars-eu:~/mcjars-api#

aarch64

Average execution time: 0.0927 ms
root@mcjars-eu-testing:~# for i in {1..10}; do sudo -u postgres psql -d mcjars -t -c "EXPLAIN ANALYZE WITH spec_build AS (SELECT builds.* FROM build_hashes INNER JOIN builds ON builds.id = build_hashes.build_id WHERE sha256 = '770ce85ae140b88eda9e3b7b7eb66ac72b9025beef80178893b389a50cc98fb3' LIMIT 1), filtered_builds AS (SELECT b.* FROM builds b INNER JOIN spec_build sb ON sb.id = b.id OR (COALESCE(sb.version_id, sb.project_version_id) = COALESCE(b.version_id, b.project_version_id) AND sb.type = b.type) WHERE b.type != 'ARCLIGHT' OR ((sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-fabric' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-fabric') OR (sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-forge' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-forge') OR (sb.project_version_id LIKE '%-neoforge' AND b.project_version_id LIKE '%-neoforge') OR (sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-fabric' AND sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-forge' AND sb.project_version_id NOT LIKE '%-neoforge'))) SELECT *, 0 AS build_count, now()::timestamp as version2_created, '' AS _version_id, 'RELEASE' AS version_type, false AS version_supported, 0 AS version_java, now() AS version_created FROM spec_build UNION ALL SELECT x.*, mv.* FROM (SELECT * FROM (SELECT b.*, count(1) OVER () AS build_count, min(b.created) OVER () AS version2_created FROM filtered_builds b ORDER BY b.id DESC) LIMIT 1) x LEFT JOIN minecraft_versions mv ON mv.id = x.version_id;" | grep "Execution Time" | awk '{print $3}'; done | awk '{ sum += $1; n++ } END { if (n > 0) print "Average execution time: " sum / n " ms"; }'
Average execution time: 10.5827 ms
root@mcjars-eu-testing:~#

[solemn latch]

is the arm server cheaper?

[neon leaf]

yes, half the price for same amount of ram but one less core

[solemn latch]

the second execution seems to be a measurable improvement.

[neon leaf]

arm is a CAX11, x86 is a CPX21

(hetzner)

im probably gonna switch, then I can also add a new location

[solemn latch]

@quartz kindle hetzner told me its because I got a 7003 cpu on one of the instances and a 9000 series on the other...

that doesnt make sense.

[lyric mountain]

that's one salient command

[quartz kindle]

Lol

[neon leaf]

x86

Summary:
  Success rate: 100.00%
  Total:        22.8425 secs
  Slowest:      1.8352 secs
  Fastest:      0.0094 secs
  Average:      0.0570 secs
  Requests/sec: 875.5602

  Total data:   34.03 MiB
  Size/request: 1.74 KiB
  Size/sec:     1.49 MiB```

aarch64
```root@mcjars-eu-testing:~# oha http://localhost -n 20000
Summary:
  Success rate: 100.00%
  Total:        19.6447 secs
  Slowest:      0.8049 secs
  Fastest:      0.0097 secs
  Average:      0.0491 secs
  Requests/sec: 1018.0850

  Total data:   34.03 MiB
  Size/request: 1.74 KiB
  Size/sec:     1.73 MiB```

very interesting

on some endpoints its double as many req/s as on x86

I guess this will be getting deployed tomorrow

[prime cliff]

Why are you querying localhost xD

[solemn latch]

Not testing the networking, testing the hardware.

[slender wagon]

yes

well an embed to be more precise

wait no

i will be updating the embed every 5 minutes or so

[solemn latch]

Is this a big bot? if its only one server can you enable message intent.

[slender wagon]

what am i saying

[solemn latch]

get events when it changes

[slender wagon]

not even that

sorry

so

i just check the db every 5 minutes

but i was just wondering if i should do it with a timeout or how

[solemn latch]

so you're checking your own db?

[slender wagon]

i could use a setinterval or a timeout

not sure which one to chose

[slender wagon]

yeah and updating an embed based on it

[solemn latch]

with such few queries I'd poll it with an interval.

If your database supports pub/sub I think thats the way to go

[slender wagon]

i will look into that last option

cuz the bot could grow

im using postgres combined with prisma

now that part i set a side for the moment.
Now i was looking into a feature i am making.
Some users request access to certain channels which sends a message to the creator of the channel to accept the join request.
Should i just insert the user id thats requesting access in the "accept button"

like custom_id
allow_join_{userId}

thats gonna save me much more time and space since i don't have to generate a custom id and use the statemanager like i do with the other complicated interactions

[solemn latch]

Thats how I'd handle it.

[slender wagon]

just gotta update the handler, once again

am i doing too much or overcomplicating things here?

i made handlers for each interaction

[solemn latch]

Pretty normal by todays standards.

[prime cliff]

There's already a bunch of stuff running on the server but decent

This is tested with a c# asp.net api app

[neon leaf]

ye i wont bother rewriting for now

[slender wagon]

uhh

people can intercept interactions?

[neon leaf]

ye

you always need to validate data

[slender wagon]

thats fucked

[neon leaf]

I personally encrypt it using a predefined hash + guild id

[slender wagon]

i always though discord handled that in the backend

i guess im stupid

in this case it doesn't matter much cuz i still verify who is clicking the button

that u cannot intercept since it requires someone's session right?

[neon leaf]

ye

[prime cliff]

Best practice is to never trust the client always do server side checks explicitly

[slender wagon]

thing is i never knew these would go through the client

ik that sounds stupid

i just never looked into interactions

[neon leaf]

it doesnt sound stupid

I thought the same

discord should really do this in backend

but oh well

[slender wagon]

fr

[neon leaf]

I just use https://github.com/0x7f6/bot/blob/main/src/globals/customid.ts now

[slender wagon]

im gonna look into that ty

[sharp geyser]

Since I havent been in the bot dev scene in a while

why does it matter

What can someone do by intercepting the interaction? Reply back to it themselves? I mean if they have the interaction data the id doesn't matter no?

[delicate zephyr]

I mean they could make the interaction ping atEveryone

they could store the data, manipulate the data and provide incorrect values etc

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure

But..again what can you do about it?

[delicate zephyr]

I mean, discord signs the request afaik

thats how

[sharp geyser]

From my understanding an ecnrypted ID wont solve anything

[delicate zephyr]

one sec

getting up the docs

they have security headers

[sharp geyser]

Understandable

[delicate zephyr]

You can see that here https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/overview#configuring-an-interactions-endpoint-url

[sharp geyser]

Isn't that something discord handles tho?

[delicate zephyr]

they even do it for you

[delicate zephyr]

No, it's something you handle on the webhook side

unless you use the gateway

then it's handled like a gateway event

[sharp geyser]

Why are they giving the power to the end user

Thats just opening up problems no?

[delicate zephyr]

The easiest way to explain it

is like an SSL certificate

Discord provides a signature in the request in the HEADERS when they send the request to your web server. This uses your PUBLIC_KEY and the rawBody

if the body doesn't match the same at what discord sent it wont be valid

[sharp geyser]

I see

I guess that makes sense

[delicate zephyr]

The signature is like an advanced Authorization header just based on content and key

[sharp geyser]

Since at the end of the day its being sent through discord and relayed back to you

so you have to verify its coming from discord and not someone sending it themselves

[delicate zephyr]

Yup, you got it

[sharp geyser]

I still think that its a stupid situation to even have possible but what else can they do

Since interactions don't rely on the gateway to function afaik

[delicate zephyr]

No but they send user data with interaction requests

they send message data too etc

[sharp geyser]

They send message data?

[delicate zephyr]

like the interaction object

hold on

[sharp geyser]

I havent used interactions in forever so I honestly wouldnt know

I used em when they were initially released

[long marsh]

Are you strictly web socket driven with messages?

[sharp geyser]

I dont make bots

anymore

[long marsh]

Gotcha – lost the desire?

I just maintain one bot at this point haha

[harsh nova]

Yea they do If it's a message context interaction (right click message -> apps) you get that message and that's even without the message context priv intent

There's also a sometimes set message property in the interaction body but I've not the slightest what that is

[lament rock]

You can have interactions sent over the gateway for a built in load balancer, but if Discord sends you a reconnect OP, you're fucked

If they send you the OP while interactions are incoming*. By the time you're resumed and Discord sends you the events you missed which would include interactions, they're already expired

[radiant kraken]

thanks clang-format

[sharp geyser]

why is it a bunch of 64s

[radiant kraken]

because it was originally like this

[sharp geyser]

W

[radiant kraken]

thanks for the prettier code

much better to look at

[earnest phoenix]

what on earth is that

no wonder cpp code looks horrible and unreadable sometimes

[neon leaf]

hi @solemn latch this is perfect for u

[solemn latch]

Hell yeah

Thanks for the gift card @neon leaf

[neon leaf]

np

[frosty gale]

that is actually just a type / annotation c++ code doesnt actually look that bad

some of the slightly odd and unintuitive operators in the newer standard also make it look a lot more scary to beginners but in reality its just a better version of very clean C code

[hexed ocean]

Hello guys, anyone can help boost my server members?

[sharp geyser]

no

[radiant kraken]

no

[neon leaf]

no

[earnest phoenix]

no

[elfin helm]

no

[regal otter]

yes

for $50000

[neon leaf]

theres no way this is the indended way

use utoipa_axum::{router::OpenApiRouter, routes};

use super::State;

mod index {
    use crate::{models::Extension, routes::GetState};
    use utoipa::ToSchema;

    #[derive(ToSchema, serde::Serialize)]
    struct Response {
        success: bool,
        extensions: Vec<Extension>,
    }

    #[utoipa::path(get, path = "/", responses((status = OK, body = inline(Response))))]
    pub async fn route(state: GetState) -> axum::Json<serde_json::Value> {
        axum::Json(
            serde_json::to_value(&Response {
                success: true,
                extensions: Extension::all(&state.database).await.unwrap(),
            })
            .unwrap(),
        )
    }
}

pub fn router(state: &State) -> OpenApiRouter<State> {
    OpenApiRouter::new()
        .routes(routes!(index::route))
        .with_state(state.clone())
}

[lyric mountain]

@solemn latch

[sharp geyser]

@zinc fable

[lyric mountain]

how ironic

[sharp geyser]

Start the timer

who gets here first

[solemn latch]

derek is afk

😦

[sharp geyser]

Oh

L derek

[sharp geyser]

[real rose]

hello chat

[forest oasis]

Hi everyone guys, please explain to me (And better show an example) how a simple API works in order to get the votes of your bot, I have not been able to understand why nothing works for several hours, installed topggpy version 2.0.0a0 and still get some errors that I can't even find on the Internet, tried different ways, but I don't need too complicated ones, I don't have a server and as far as I understand, I need them for webhooks, I need simple python code to get voice data

[solemn latch]

I'm confused, your whole question was about top.gg votes, but it ends specifiying you need voice data.

why do you need vote data for voice?

[forest oasis]

I'm sorry, I use a translator, so maybe I made mistakes. I want to get information about when people vote for my bot on top.gg, but I don't need a webhook, not a way through aiohttp, but simply getting data about votes for my bot in json format, if possible. I have worked with some APIs and have not yet encountered such difficulties in handling...

My idea is to just get this data and give out some kind of game currency for users who voted for my bot.

[solemn latch]

You'll want to use webhooks for vote rewards, that's the ideal way.

Otherwise you'll have to have a "claim" command and use get_user_vote

Link to webhooks: https://topggpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/webhooks.html
Link to get_user_vote: https://topggpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#topgg.DBLClient.get_user_vote

[forest oasis]

I've already read a bunch of text from all these documents... And I realized that a webhook needs its own server, which I don't have yet, I wanted to implement it in my own way and it's easier for me to work with the json format, as far as I understand, I won't be able to receive data so easily?

[solemn latch]

You can fetch the data using get_user_vote, but you wont receive an event when someone votes. So you'll need a command for them to claim the reward.

[forest oasis]

Now checked after your hint and probably understood how it works. That is, a person will vote for my bot and he will need to enter, for example, the /checkrewardvote command, which, through calling the get_user_vote and passing the ID of this user, will check whether this user voted for my bot today, I understand correctly?

[solemn latch]

yep!

[forest oasis]

The last question, I apologize for my stupidity, will it work the same daily for users right? That is, they will be able to receive a reward once every 24 hours? Or will I already have to implement this somehow inside the bot?

[solemn latch]

You'll need to track whoever you've already given a reward for.

Users can vote once every 12 hours, so you'll want to make sure they havent already claimed it recently.

[forest oasis]

Okay, I get it. Thank you so much. It was necessary to immediately come here for help and not spend several hours trying to understand everything alone

Again, thank you so much

[earnest phoenix]

dont yall love how, when you fix one bug right. 13 others just spawn in

[wheat mesa]

no lies no deceit, just wire this Bitcoin wallet!

[prime cliff]

Hmm i might think about creating an adventure game bit like stardew valley but more action/adventure mechanics similar to harvestmoon where it has spirits.

The first colored rings being ligh, earth, water, dark, fire and air spirits that unlocks basic game mechanics and then the outer ring being the text messages with more advanced stuff.

The spirits can also unlock extra perks and buffs like a tech tree for each spirit.

[crystal wigeon]

does anyone know how i can like extend a type from a module? to include one of my customer types?

const user = type("string.base64");```

I have this module called arktype. and im trying to add a `string.hex` type

that way i can do something like that
const user = type("string.hex")

[solemn latch]

Does the module have arktype supported?

If it doesn't you'll likely need to use Arktypes infer method, then just union them together.

[crystal wigeon]

Yeah arktype is the module

I’m trying to extend the module to add my custom type

[solemn latch]

You're extending arktypes types?

[crystal wigeon]

yea

just arktype

i think arktypes is a different module

[solemn latch]

Then I assume it's just &

[crystal wigeon]

const hex = scope({
    root: type("string").narrow((str, ctx) =>
        /^[0-9a-fA-F]+$/.test(str) ? true : ctx.mustBe("a valid hexadecimal string")
    )
}, {
    name: "string.hex"
}).export();

declare module "arktype" {
    interface wrapped extends Ark.wrapped {
        hex: string
    }
}

the type method has a couple of defs. im trying to extend that to also include string.hex and i need to give it a validator

so in theory the expected outcome is

const hex = type("string.hex")

they have this

[solemn latch]

So you're adding a validator too?

I think you might just want to make a PR to their github at that point.

[crystal wigeon]

trying to yeah. just want it for my project

[crystal wigeon]

si it not possible to add a new definition?

i see type has like 4 defs

type<"string.hex", Type<never, {}>>(def: "'string.hex' is unresolvable "): Type<never, {}> (+2 overloads)

when i click on type this is what i see

[solemn latch]

Since I have never heard of arktype I'm not really sure.

If you only are performing this validation a few times just use 'string' and do the hex checks in .narrow

[crystal wigeon]

im asking in general tho. like doesnt have to be this module. for any module if i wanted to extend its type how would i do it. cause I done this for djs library but there I just added new methods so i didnt have issues.

but here im trying to modify the type def of an existing method

like im trying to add an overload

[solemn latch]

I don't think you're extending a type here, you're creating a new constraint in arktype

[crystal wigeon]

right

[solemn latch]

If you're just looking to extend arktype does that with unions.

[crystal wigeon]

but it doesnt give me auto fill like type(string.hex)

i did something like this for my discordjs

now i can access sendMessage anywhere by using discordjs lib methods

[solemn latch]

Yeah that's a constraint arktype doesn't support.

[crystal wigeon]

yeah so im trying to extend it in my project so it can support

like im trying to create my own def and add it as a overload

if that makes sense

[solemn latch]

But it wouldn't actually do anything if you added just the type.

[crystal wigeon]

that way if someone types type(string.hex) my method gets executed

yeah i need to add the method i know

[solemn latch]

I think you need to edit arktype codebase to do that.

I can't see anything suggesting you can add your own constraints any other way.

[crystal wigeon]

hmm,

[solemn latch]

Other than .narrow

[crystal wigeon]

but i could add my own method to discord lib and use it in my project no

[solemn latch]

Because it's just types

[crystal wigeon]

no those are actual methods

i implemented them

so now i can use message.sendMessage() without issues

message object is from discord lib. i extended it to add my custom method

i added the type for typescript to be able to compile it. for it to know these methods are accisible

tryna do the same with arktype

[solemn latch]

You could try, but I don't think extending this way Arktype will be reliable. But you just showed how you can do it.

I'd still really recommend forking over extending here.

[crystal wigeon]

its just for a small project anyway so it should be okay. yeah i tried to do this but it just doesnt work.

hmm

[solemn latch]

Or using .narrow(the proper way)

[crystal wigeon]

im not sure how to add another overload method to existing one

cause type has 4 defs. you can use type in 4 diff ways.

type({ name: "string" }) or type("string") etc

i just need to add another def where its hard coded type(string.hex) and then i add my validator there

idk if im making sense here

[solemn latch]

You are, I just don't understand why narrow doesn't work if this is a small project. Thats exactly what this is for.

Adding your own validators

[crystal wigeon]

narrow works. but its like an assignment XD and they said i gotta make it work with how its similar to string.base64

[solemn latch]

Ah, your working on someone elses stuff?

[crystal wigeon]

nah its my assignment

[solemn latch]

So they want you to fork it?

[crystal wigeon]

nop

they want me to extend the lib

[solemn latch]

Open Source Contribution, they want you to fork it 👀

[crystal wigeon]

actually im not sure. cause forking it makes it easy. i know where to add everything

hmmmmmm

[solemn latch]

Lmao

[crystal wigeon]

its 2 line change if i fork it lmao

[solemn latch]

Well that whole conversation was a waste of time

[crystal wigeon]

[solemn latch]

😄

[crystal wigeon]

i mean im just thinking are they this dumb to give an assigment thats 2 line changes?

[solemn latch]

Yeah

[crystal wigeon]

makes no sense

[solemn latch]

Oh well

[crystal wigeon]

or maybe i overthinking it

i was like "if i fork it its 2 line changes. why would they make the assigment so easy"

[solemn latch]

It seems to not be a coding question, more of can you understand other peoples work question

[crystal wigeon]

ig

thanks

[craggy pine]

Question: When using discord.js' autoComplete, I noticed when I am setting the result to a variable, the name is being set but not the value. I recalled that it's suppose to set the value and I was wondering if anyone knew why this was happening.

                //the subcommand
                {
                    name: 'playsong',
                    category: "Playlist",
                    description: 'Play a specific song in your selected playlist',
                    type: 1,
                    options: [
                        {
                            name: 'user',
                            description: 'The user who owns the playlist you want to play',
                            type: 6,
                            required: true
                        },
                        {
                            name: 'playlist',
                            description: 'The playlist that has the song in it',
                            type: 3,
                            required: true,
                            autocomplete: true
                        },
                        {
                            name: 'song',
                            description: 'The song in the playlist',
                            type: 3,
                            required: true,
                            autocomplete: true
                        }
                    ]
                },

//the returned values
await interaction.respond(choices.map(choice => ({ name: choice.title || choice.song_name, value: choice.playlist_id || choice.song_url })));

//variable set
const song = interaction.options.getString('song');
console.log(song);
//console logged: Green Day - Boulevard Of Broken Dreams (Cover By 2 Shadows) (the choice.song_name not choice.song_url)

[pearl trail]

C# users, do you prefer
A: List<PageBuilder> pages = [];
B: var pages = new List<PageBuilder>();
?

[prime cliff]

they are both the same type though

[pearl trail]

yeah lmao, just asking opinion

since i upgraded my net to 9.0, my rider recommends me to use var instead of type, but for that specific case, i can do both

@hidden gorge what about access

[hidden gorge]

i opened error.log

[crystal wigeon]

https://github.com/arktypeio/arktype/pull/1351 I just made my first open source contribution! lesgoooooooo

[pearl trail]

oh it's really just log

[hidden gorge]

this issue has been angering me for weeks

[pearl trail]

what is 172.96.141.177:9000, is it up?

[hidden gorge]

its an express server and its up

[pearl trail]

you sure you can curl it? curl https://172.96.141.177:9000 ?

[hidden gorge]

uhh

[pearl trail]

or use -k option, i've never used proxy to https with nginx so i might not know

[hidden gorge]

curl aint working

i opned it on my browser

[pearl trail]

curl -k https://172.96.141.177:9000, that should bypass ssl

[hidden gorge]

nope

[pearl trail]

is the nginx running in the same machine with the 172.96.141.177:9000 ?

[hidden gorge]

yes...

[pearl trail]

try use proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:9000

[hidden gorge]

in the default?

[pearl trail]

in where you set that proxy_pass

[hidden gorge]

done

[hidden gorge]

now what?

[pearl trail]

nginx -s reload and try curl -vvvv http://localhost/ again

[hidden gorge]

well this happened

thats http

[pearl trail]

with your previous method, you're doing this, which i'm pretty sure not good. you want nginx to directly access the project server if possible using localhost

[hidden gorge]

i do not understand that

[pearl trail]

ok, try this sudo lsof -i :443, to find is nginx listening to 443 or not

[pearl trail]

oye well nginx isn't listening to 443

do you listen to 443 in your nginx proxy config?

[pearl trail]

yes don't do that, nginx is already running with systemctl

[hidden gorge]

not that ik of

[pearl trail]

well you should listen to that, if you want to use ssl. in your proxy config, add

listen 443 ssl;
listen [::]:443 ssl;

and reload

[hidden gorge]

in the default?

[pearl trail]

yes

[hidden gorge]

added and done

no change... :{

[pearl trail]

try this again

if still nothing, restart nginx

[hidden gorge]

yeah nothing

[pearl trail]

my bad, you should add

ssl_certificate /full/path/to/origin/certificate
ssl_certificate_key /full/path/to/key

find them, use this docs https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/origin-configuration/origin-ca/

[hidden gorge]

ok

[lyric mountain]

upgrade? are u setting up websockets?

[hidden gorge]

huh

[lyric mountain]

this is for websockets

[hidden gorge]

idk i was just told to add it..

i'll be back im gonna go take a break so i dont have a breakdown

[lyric mountain]

this is the config for my bot's site

[pearl trail]

php

[deep cedar]

Yall good?

[hidden gorge]

why does the first one just return 302?

[solemn latch]

its a redirect

[sharp geyser]

redirect http to https

port 80 = http
port 443 = ssl (https)

[hidden gorge]

oh

[lyric mountain]

it's just so people dont access through http, to enforce https

u can do that on cloudflare too, I just do it on nginx side cuz it'll be global

[frosty gale]

cloudflare you say...

im wondering what everyones use case for cloudflare is nowadays

i used to use it for all my sites but realised i absolutely dont need it

[harsh nova]

oooo php? What are you using it for?

heavily considering making my next site using some sort of php framework

[solemn latch]

CDN, reverse proxy

I think that's the bulk reason

[prime cliff]

Got most of the docker features working except for a few things in stacks and containers

[slender wagon]

Since im using ko-fi for memberships in my bot, i decided just to check users roles for premium.
Now my question is, should i check every 5 minutes all the members of a certain role and keep their membership boolean checked as true, or should i check their roles when they use the bot's premium features.
(The premium features can be a bit forgiving, i don't mind the users having a few minutes of extra premium time)
-# i cant use stripe or patreon

[digital swan]

Kofi has a webhook feature

For renew / subscribe / purchase

[slender wagon]

icba honestly this is why i went with this two options

the bot is only going to be in one massive server

[digital swan]

Well speaking from experience I used to use roles to manage it too and it just felt like such an unstable system

I spent a day figuring out how to do handle the webhook and building out my own system to handle expirations and stuff and it worked and felt much better

[slender wagon]

would it be more than a day?

[digital swan]

Depends on your experience

[slender wagon]

no sorry, would it be more than a day that patreon wouldn't update the users role?

since my premium features would only be 2 commands which have long gaps in between

its not rapid usage

[digital swan]

Oh I’m not sure

[quartz kindle]

im guessing most people use it out of cyberattack paranoia

ie ddos protection, etc

but yeah you absolutely dont need it, plus more often than not it gives you more issues than it solves

[frosty gale]

dont most vps services offer some kind of ddos protection nowadays?

i think hetzner does

if you dont pay for extra ddos protection galaxygate null routes your servers ip so if you want free ddos protection i guess

although i cant imagine it would be too difficult to accidentally leak a servers IP

[prime cliff]

Cloudflare is more than just about security though xD you have the entire dashboard, domain registrar, free ssl cert (sub-domain wildcard), cached resources on cloudflare which is faster, API, email forwarding, dns management and custom page rules.

[frosty gale]

yeah i guess that too, their global cache is nice to have

[slender wagon]

lets just say, cloudflare is not needed in most startup projects

[prime cliff]

Cloudflare also detects and blocks AI/scraper bots and common vulnerabilities too

[frosty gale]

although on the free ssl part i think by allowing the server-cloudflare tunnel to be unencrypted promotes being lazy, it defeats the whole point of TLS if the part between cloudflare and your server is unencrypted traffic

[lament rock]

Some services only provide DDoS up to a certain amount of bandwidth. Which may never be reached by most people. Though CF is a global solution and their bans/rate limits would affect not just some small site but rather even if someone chooses to attack a small site protected by CF, they'd get bonked everywhere

[frosty gale]

though i know they offer using your own certificate to encrypt traffic between cloudflare & site

[frosty gale]

does cloudflare activate attack mode automatically on the free plan? i swear by default it just allows all traffic through

[prime cliff]

I think you're mistaken, it's the flexible ssl mode that does that you need to enable full ssl mode

[frosty gale]

yes the flexible mode, hence why i said it promotes laziness

thoguh i know they have the full mode as they should have

[lament rock]

Nginx does something similar, no?

Why is this any different

[frosty gale]

in nginx traffic is usually routes unencrypted locally which is ok and secure enough

[prime cliff]

Cloudflare is the proxy rather than traffic going directly to your server/nginx

[frosty gale]

as soon as you exit your server your traffic can get intercepted and eavesdropped on

[prime cliff]

If you have the firewall setup right you can block all traffic (aside from your own ip) and then add a cron script to automatically add cloudflare ips with port 443 to firewall

https://github.com/Paul-Reed/cloudflare-ufw

[lyric mountain]

Nothing really, I was just lazy and copied the same config file I was using in phppgadmin

That block isn't needed, but doesn't hurt to have either

[hidden gorge]

any good data services other then MongoDB for Web Uses?

[wheat mesa]

any relational DB, Postgres, mssql, mysql, etc

[hidden gorge]

Ok i just need it to store article data, user subscription data and admin stuff

what would be the best

[wheat mesa]

You can use anything for that

[hidden gorge]

ok

[wheat mesa]

If you’re looking for SaaS solutions, supposedly DynamoDB is pretty easy

[hidden gorge]

SaaS?

[wheat mesa]

Never used it tho

Software as a Service

Like AWS & cloud stuff

[hidden gorge]

i dont even understand

[wheat mesa]

I prefer self hosting most personal projects

[hidden gorge]

im probably gonna self host the Database

[wheat mesa]

If you’re looking to self host your database, Postgres is probably the way to go

Easy to set up with docker

Supports ARM-based hardware natively

[hidden gorge]

fun

do i gotta restart my vps istg

nooe

this annoys me

ok wtf now nothing is installing

oh

[wheat mesa]

Follow Postgres’s installation guide

Should be easy. Even easier if you just use their docker image

[hidden gorge]

well wtf is my pass

found it

mb im very stupid

[wheat mesa]

If you do this you don’t even need to install Postgres on your vps directly, it’ll install it into your docker container

[hidden gorge]

ok postgres broke my damn vps

[wheat mesa]

Postgres didn’t break anything

You broke it :p

[hidden gorge]

6 crashes in 5 minutes

[wheat mesa]

Somehow I doubt that’s Postgres’s fault

One of the most widely used database packages for Linux, I’d imagine it’s pretty stable

[hidden gorge]

then again this happens when i SSH with VSC

[wheat mesa]

Then you have a terribly slow VPS

[hidden gorge]

yes ik

its $12 a month

[wheat mesa]

My rpi handled Postgres without a problem

$12/month for 2gb????

That’s insane

[hidden gorge]

its $8 USD

but im in canada

[wheat mesa]

Still

I’d just selfhost at that price point

4gb rpi is 50-60usd, and you own it forever

[hidden gorge]

cant

dont got the bandwidth nor equipment

[wheat mesa]

Doesn’t require a ton of bandwidth, but I can understand not wanting to have it powered 24/7

And the setup is a bit more complex than a provisioned VPS that handles that stuff for you

[hidden gorge]

planning to soon enough actually buy a xeon server in person so i can my own VPS fully controlled by me

[prime cliff]

Most vps companies do 4 GB for $10-$12 not sure how you found one that gives less xD

[hidden gorge]

plus i need it to also manage in car stuff from away

so im gonna invest in a mini rack

[wheat mesa]

This is overkill no?

Crazy electricity bill

[prime cliff]

Also a bit weird how you're maxing 100% cpu on a 4 core ryzen cpu what are you running

[wheat mesa]

An RPI is truly a great entry level self host, cheap to buy and super cheap to run

With standard electricity prices around me I think it costs me something like $20/year to run it if it was at 100% CPU for an entire year

Capable of hosting some basic stuff, obv not gonna handle thousands of requests per second flawlessly but it works for proof of concept stuff

Can easily host an ASP.NET API + Postgres db within docker containers

[hidden gorge]

its gonna be used for more then just the Website too

1 second

[wheat mesa]

Also if you go for a xeon build I highly recommend against a windows installation

[hidden gorge]

ok so yk how police cars connect to a server to get info on a person?

[wheat mesa]

Ubuntu server is nice

[hidden gorge]

@wheat mesa

[wheat mesa]

sure

[frosty gale]

to be fair with a vps you pay extra for the server maintenance, reliability, using and risking their network and ips, easy upgrades, etc
but in this case that is extremely overpriced please try hetzner

[hidden gorge]

im doing that same thing

basically

[prime cliff]

Why is there 2 lines on website :/

[hidden gorge]

idfk

[wheat mesa]

So… you’re making a webserver

[hidden gorge]

well yes

but im planning to have it do more things later om

on*

[wheat mesa]

Yeah a VPS is nice for elasticity and such, but personally I wouldn’t pay for one until I have a proof of concept for a project

That’s why I have my rpi

[prime cliff]

Also btw the car would usually talk to an API service either from the website or a seperate program 🙂

[wheat mesa]

Temporary hosting for dev until it warrants cloud services

[wheat mesa]

^

[hidden gorge]

gonna do that

[wheat mesa]

Your car will never directly connect to your VPS, your VPS would expose a port that directs requests to an API that handles everything else

[frosty gale]

my network no no wanna allow inbound traffic so i couldnt even if i wanted to 😦
besides something feels off having a front facing web server alongside personal devices and network

maybe if you isolate yourself properly

[hidden gorge]

i've been planning this for years ik how im gonna do it

[wheat mesa]

The way I have it for dev is that I have a VPN as my only open port, then the pi allows traffic through the tunnel only

It’s not really safe to directly expose ports to the internet

Or well, even if it is, I’d prefer to not have my home network overrun with requests

[prime cliff]

If you need any server/linux help we could also help or i would personally help you with the nginx stuff and your cert issue

Since you're using cloudflare flexible personal api data and auth stuff isn't secure atm

[wheat mesa]

I should really make a portfolio

I hate frontend 💪

[prime cliff]

I've been getting better at frontend xD although i hate dealing with fonts

[wheat mesa]

Ngl you have the motivation and productivity level that I wish I had

[prime cliff]

Only just started working on it again after being ill for the last month but having a lot of C# experience helps

[wheat mesa]

Currently at work procrastinating after solving a 12 hour ticket in 15 minutes

[prime cliff]

Ticket: Why my computer no worky

[wheat mesa]

Ticket was a 1 line of code fix

10 minutes of debugging

5 minutes of branching and creating PR and reading said ticket lmao

At least it was C# tho

I hate when I have to deal with the js

[solemn latch]

👀 wherever that guy went that was asking to make a discord bot: https://discord.com/developers

[prime cliff]

Learning a bit of how docker works atm there is some cursed/old stuff need to figure out how to create containers and manage docker compose files in a good way and also see how Portainer does it.

My most annoying issue with docker is how messed up the docs and api are with different wordings and date times

Integer, integer 64, RFC 3339, regular date time

Also the fact only that one uses CreatedAt
WHY!!!

[wheat mesa]

someone let the interns work on the docs 😉

[wheat mesa]

String with no format specified is actually diabolical

[lyric mountain]

You must wait till day 13 to know it

[lament rock]

Use pug

Its the only front end templating I will ever fuck with

[wheat mesa]

yet another frontend framework/tool/language 👎

Vue is the only thing I will ever accept now

Powerful when it needs to be, simple when it doesn’t need to be crazy

[queen needle]

i like svelte it feels like how you described vue, personally

[formal grail]

anyone got any idea on how we can make this

Customize bot page

[lament rock]

The long description of the bot supports CSS

You'll be matching classes of the site

Can edit the css in your browser and I believe there's a preview button as well to see your changes without publishing

[formal grail]

K

[bitter granite]

Welp i forgot and my brain cant remember

const { SlashCommandBuilder, EmbedBuilder } = require('discord.js');

module.exports = {
    data: new SlashCommandBuilder()
        .setName("credits")
        .setDescription("credits"),

    async execute(interaction) {
        const embed = new EmbedBuilder()
            .setColor(0x0099ff)
            .setTitle('Credits')
            .setDescription(`credits`)
            .addFields(
                { name: `Developer`, value: "**Developer** @bitter granite \`welper\`", inline: false },
                { name: `Creator code`, value: "**Comming Soon**", inline: false }
            )
            .setFooter({ text: `Vote at top.gg [Coming soon]` })
            .setTimestamp();

        await interaction.reply({ embeds: [embed] });
    }
};

whats the thing called for me no add userinstall

[acoustic bough]

I just saw that discord.js does not use the ws package in a bun env

https://github.com/discordjs/discord.js/blob/278396e815add4e028e43034fab586f971a043d4/packages%2Futil%2Fsrc%2Ffunctions%2Fruntime.ts#L3-L14

https://github.com/discordjs/discord.js/blob/ab6a69401e7de81a7c619d82b9f00741dfae3af4/packages/ws/src/ws/WebSocketShard.ts#L91

[lament rock]

I believe both the Node and ws package Websocket impl try to follow the WHATWG spec

So performance could be similar

I actually am not sure

[lament rock]

I realized you said bun and I said Node. I meant to say I believe runtimes implementing Websocket follow WHATWG

Since that seems to be the hip trend

[lament rock]

Wow. I tried the node built in method of running ts files. While the prospect of eliminating a build step is cool, my project had to switch from commonjs to esm since you couldn't use the import statement at all and require has no types for imported modules which blows. Then my npm module to reload files on change didn't work because they're making all properties of imports readonly. It's an Object. Just lemme mutate it ffs

The hot reloading of files not working was the nail in the coffin to say this sucks. I might have a work around, but god do I hate it

[real rose]

looks functional to me

[solemn latch]

more gpus when?

[pearl trail]

but can it run doom?

[lament rock]

Wonder if there would be any benefits to SLI 2 3090s

Asides for VRAM availability

Apparently not

[acoustic bough]

well it technically doesn't run them, it just removes all the types

[lament rock]

in a later revision, they added support for enums and namespaces

[neon leaf]

sir

i still need to get it to detect all of them

[lament rock]

I still dislike esm a lot

Gave me an excuse to try the esm version of a few modules

7h of work to just discard changes in git though

[sharp geyser]

@harsh nova Alll the 3.2 USB ports on my mb just went out

now I only have the high speed ones

Oh shit wrong channel but yea

[solemn latch]

😦

how did you manage that?

[sharp geyser]

No idea

When I restarted my pc they wouldn't work

[solemn latch]

I guess your 3.x controller died

F

[sharp geyser]

Maybe

I will have to check the mb connections

maybe something came lose

[solemn latch]

Get a pcie card if you have to

[sharp geyser]

Yea it should be cheap

I have an extra slot

[solemn latch]

I've been thinking about getting one and all mine still work anyway.

[sharp geyser]

It likely isn't dead dead

probably just a bad update since it happened after the bios updated

[solemn latch]

ah, yeah

then its savable

Check your bios settings, theres features that can mess with 3.x

[sharp geyser]

Yea

I will figure it out

if anything i will reach out in pc part picker discord

they are better equipped than me

[harsh nova]

Oh that's not great

[sharp geyser]

The only ones that work are the high speed ones

and the one on the case

[real rose]

https://tenor.com/view/geforce-rtx-server-servers-washing-gif-11098922515417017839

[neon leaf]

Arduinos are fun

https://pastes.dev/wZlL9C5p9H

[solemn latch]

I really really need to get back into PCB design

[crude vale]

Poor GPUs

[neon leaf]

https://pastes.dev/2tuwqIoZFh

[quartz kindle]

nice

[pearl trail]

nice

[neon leaf]

lol

[frosty gale]

the dust isnt going to clean itself

and who said that isnt de-ionised water which is safe for electroncs :)

water itself is quite safe too its only an issue when you power it on because the water will short out stuff

[solemn latch]

its not if the surface is unclean ^-^

[sharp geyser]

Whats the real difference between REST and gRPC

I know one typically uses HTTP/2 vs HTTP/1.1

or so i've heard

[quartz kindle]

grpc uses protobuf

rest uses json

[sharp geyser]

Can you elaborate more? I am not too sure what using protobuf versus json is in terms of performance, useability and or reliability

[quartz kindle]

protobuf is a binary format, its faster, smaller, more efficient than json

but it requires a pre-defined schema

ie both client and server need to load a schema file

then messages are encoded/decoded based on that schema

grpc is basically like a stack that defines a bunch of rules, including the use of protobuf for messages

grpc is basically using websockets with protobuf

[sharp geyser]

So, with GRPC is it still required to do stuff like end-to-end encryption yourself?

[quartz kindle]

well, its just ssl

basically wss, websocket over ssl

[sharp geyser]

Ima be so for real, I dont really know much about websockets or what not

I am trying to make a chat app and I want the traffic between the client - > server -> client to be secure.

I may sound like an idiot but I gotta ask

[quartz kindle]

well actually you dont need websocket, it uses http2 server push

[sharp geyser]

Really?

Dont you need websockets for real-time updates?

If a user sends a message every user needs to receive it

or at least every user subscribed

[quartz kindle]

not anymore

[sharp geyser]

Oh?

man im outdated

[quartz kindle]

basically, http2 allows you to keep a connection open

[sharp geyser]

Oh thats sick

[quartz kindle]

and http2 has a feature called server-push

which allows the server to send something without needing a client to requiest first

[sharp geyser]

Oh cool

so I can send a message to every client that is / has connected to the server before?

[quartz kindle]

the client needs to be connected

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

like if its on a website, the page needs to be open on the browser

[sharp geyser]

I see

what if I am using like a mobile app

and I need to send a notification about the new message

similar to discord

How its a notif like

"Server Name" - "User" : "Message"

[quartz kindle]

basically the app needs to connect to the server when it opens

the connection will stay while its running

but if you close the app and reopen it, you will probably need to connect again

[sharp geyser]

How does discord still send notifs even when the app isn't running?

Like I can close discord entirely on my phone and still receive notifs

[quartz kindle]

phone push notifications is something else entirely

on android it goes through some google service

[sharp geyser]

Ah okay

[quartz kindle]

on apple it goes through some apple service

[sharp geyser]

Makes sense

I will look into using grpc then

Seems like it could be fun to play with

[radiant kraken]

@pearl trail do you know what i should do with this warning?

i don't know much about go

[pearl trail]

use json.Unmarshal(body, &voters)

[radiant kraken]

okie

that's it?

[pearl trail]

yes, that should be it

[radiant kraken]

thanks!!! ❤️

[pearl trail]

np!!

[frosty gale]

switch to rust because pointers are unsafe

oh wait thats go

im going to guess its a memory safe language

continue

[radiant kraken]

dw i use both

and C/C++ too

all the pointer-based languages

[frosty gale]

rust has taught me to be a lot more careful when it comes to race conditions and thread safety in c/c++ because it yells at you when you try do something unsafe without locking

so the rust experience is actively paying itself off

[frosty gale]

these function names are starting to get obnoxious i need to tone it down

[slender raft]

war crime function name

[frosty gale]

i hate these 1602 LCDs they draw so much standby current even when the backlight isnt on

[neon leaf]

this was so painful to code

it supports 8 custom chars

so I constantly have to swap out characters to display my dots

[frosty gale]

i see youre also querying it directly instead of having a chip which handles the display register manipulation where you only need to connect like 3-4 pins

are you using a library for that

[neon leaf]

https://pastes.dev/3LC8Bw0Ly6

[frosty gale]

yeah a library

youd have an even harder time if you had to query the lcd yourself

[neon leaf]

yeah, I ordered a one-color oled, ill hope thatll give me a better experience

[frosty gale]

get a touch one its a bit more difficult since you have to deal with the touch calibration but its more fun and versatile

although i think there are tons of libraries that handle all that

[harsh nova]

Tbh that's a really good name. Very descriptive

Wayyyy better than c# / java naming conventions where it'd be called functionFactoryThatDpesStuffIdkJustImagineALongAssName()

[pearl trail]

don't forget in C#, if it's async, add Async (best practice)

[surreal sage]

What was a good object storage provider

Hetzner?

[warped summit]

Ping on join & giveaway

[solemn latch]

What do you need help with?

or is this just an ad?

[spark flint]

just an ad

its their bot

[solemn latch]

@warped summit Just to be transparent. You seem to post a lot of ad content.
Showing off what you work on is fine, but the way you're going about it is closer to an ad than a 'hey look at this cool thing'

this is a warning for self promotion and ads

[pearl trail]

aws s3?

[spark flint]

hetzner has good s3

i just use cloudflares one

it includes their CDN for free

[digital swan]

the hetzner s3 base price turns me off

[solemn latch]

👀 what 1tb for $5.99?

[spark flint]

lol

[warped summit]

Oh no I was just showing off

[sharp geyser]

Lets be real, most people just suck at naming things

[digital swan]

Backblaze is the same price with no minimum

[solemn latch]

Backblaze is also really really slow

I use backblaze right now

I spend more on upload than anything tbh.

Imo, you're trading cheaper now for more expensive the moment your egress goes up pretty much at all.

👀 cf r2 is pretty neat

[limpid onyx]

backblaze has a bandwidth alliance with cloudflare, so if you serve your files through cloudflare you don't pay for egress

[solemn latch]

You still do, just the egress costs are zero for the first 3x your storage.

so if you store 1gb you get 3gb of free upload

then it costs the normal rate

Which is why you get these weird situations you get charged more for storing less.

https://i.woo.pics/f98fe39c46.mp4

[digital swan]

As in like response time? What’s the difference between using backblaze with cloudflare and using cloudflare r2

I’ve got a couple different things using them both but they seem exactly the same performance wise for loading pictures at least

[covert gale]

re naming methods

it's usually better to be overly descriptive then under descriptive

[prime cliff]

😄 going good so far now almost done with docker container stuff

[limpid onyx]

If you don't use cloudflare, yes. If you do, it's completely free

[spark flint]

its still hella slow even with cf

literally no advantage of using backblaze

[sharp geyser]

Is this similar to portainer's "stacks" concept?

[prime cliff]

Yup although technically stacks isnt really a portainer concept more of a docker compose file