development

[wheat mesa]

Idk, to each their own I suppose

If you don't rollback very often or the changes are small then it's prob fine

But if you're rolling back a lot or you're changing a lot (maybe even changing an implementation pattern of some sort that requires changing many files), it's useful to commit partially

[surreal sage]

i love when i get a minified react error in production

but not in development

[wheat mesa]

just is why you have ci/cd pipelines to catch this stuff 😉

but yeah sometimes there's syntax that the minifier doesn't support, depending on the minifier you use

[surreal sage]

it doesnt even catch it

[wheat mesa]

My project at work uses an old ASP.NET jQuery MVC minifier that can't handle destructuring

which fucking sucks

[surreal sage]

oops music still playing

ignore

[wheat mesa]

solution

don't use react

yuck

[surreal sage]

solution SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!

[wheat mesa]

real

[prime cliff]

[surreal sage]

bye not even appears in a local build

[waxen flame]

Anyone got advice for a good vps hosting plan?

(been having some issues with pebblehost bot plan and need to upgrade as my bot has grown quite a bit)

[digital swan]

hetzner

[surreal sage]

discord hosting services are insecure and quite untrustworthy and usually just overly expensive

get a vps, hetzner, contabo, anything known to be reliable

optional: put coolify on it (automated deployments)

[waxen flame]

Yeah, I noticed after I opened a ticket asking why my bot was shutting down..

A quick Google search later revealed their system was shutting it down.

[fast marsh]

Repl.it is pretty good, that's what I use

[waxen flame]

Contabo is looking cool so far

[lyric mountain]

Was

[fast marsh]

Still works great for me, unfortunately is no longer free

[lyric mountain]

Ah, well, yeah

I thought you were talking about the self-ping method

Tho if you're going to pay then a full vps would be better

[lament rock]

https://amanda.moe/blog/hosting-providers-changed

[waxen flame]

I'll be looking at reviews after reading that

[sharp geyser]

Yo, how the fuck do I change the position of an element that is absolute

.dropdown {
    display: inline-block;
    position: relative;
}

.dropdown-menu {
    display: flex;
    flex-direction: column;
    position: absolute;
    visibility: hidden;
    min-width: 5rem;
    max-width: 10rem;
    background-color: red;
    opacity: 0;
}

.dropdown.open .dropdown-menu {
    visibility: visible;
    opacity: 1;
}

This..is getting annoying

😭

Figured it out

[tacit estuary]

I ask here. Is using return(None) in python okay to stop the execution of the code or is there a more "proper" way? I heard of break and it no big deal since what I been using always work for me.

[lyric mountain]

they all have different roles

return isn't to stop execution of code, it just returns a value to the caller of the function (so it works as an exit point)

you can ofc use it to stop, but that's is its main role

break exits current (or labelled) loop or switch scope, it does not work outside either

continue skips to next iteration in a loop

[frosty gale]

guard clause:

returns everywhere in my code

i would not be able to code without guard clauses because nested if conditions would make me crazy

[deft wolf]

@harsh nova

[harsh nova]

thx

[pearl trail]

very useful error message™️

[sleek cove]

How can I get the vote webhooks at the same time as having several shards because dcp uses the same ip and port several times?

[lyric mountain]

a port can only be used by one process, discord libs manage shards as individual threads/tasks

[sleek cove]

Hence my question

[lyric mountain]

for vote webhook you just need one port to receive the vote event, it can be anything (above 1024 and below 65535)

just make sure you open it

[sleek cove]

OK, it works, but I have to limit the port to the shard where my server receives the votes?

Because I send the votes to a lounge on my support server

[lyric mountain]

they're separate things

shards are shards, webhook is webhook

your bot will be in one port, the vote api will be in another

[sleek cove]

I know, but if I receive the webhooks votes on the wrong shard because my support server isn't on that shard, won't I be able to send the vote to the channel?

[digital swan]

Broadcasteval

Or you could create a webhook on the channel

[sleek cove]

Ok i try

[lyric mountain]

you'll receive the webhook event in the api, not in the shard

you then either make the api notify your bot process that a vote happened or you have the bot read the database and handle it

[sleek cove]

I don't understand everything you're saying because I'm French, but I think you're talking nonsense.

[lyric mountain]

TopGG --(vote event)--> Your API --(notify)--> Bot

the bot process then sends the notification in the correct channel

[sleek cove]

Did I not mention the api?

[lyric mountain]

you'll need one

you cant receive http requests without one

if you use topgg library then that's the api

[quartz kindle]

you put the webhook in the shardingmanager, not in the shard

then you can use broadcastEval to send it to the correct shard

or you can add a condition like create webhook only if this shard has your guild id

[sharp geyser]

Very clear, the exception is handled

you're welcome

:)

[sleek cove]

I don't understand, in fact axios is launched in my ready.js so in each shard and dcp it duplicates the ip and crashes here is my real problem

[sharp geyser]

Why are you receiving votes on a shard?

your webhook api whatever should be its own process

or, start when the bot starts (not when a shard is spawned)

[quartz kindle]

do you use discord.js?

[sleek cove]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

maybe im missing something here

[quartz kindle]

you should have a sharding manager

like index.js

[sleek cove]

Yes i have

[quartz kindle]

where you have new ShardignManager

so put the webhook the sharding manager file

[sharp geyser]

hello tim

[quartz kindle]

hai

ayayron

[neon leaf]

made a cursed protobuf alternative that doesnt require schemas on either side

Original: 118 bytes
Original (brotli): 109 bytes
Original (gzip): 123 bytes
Original (deflate): 111 bytes
Encoded: 102 bytes

(Original being stringified json)

[quartz kindle]

whats the content of the json?

[neon leaf]

const data = encode([
    new StringValue('hello'),
    new Uint8Value(255),
    new StringValue('world'),
    new Uint8Value(0),
    new StringValue('你好'),
    new BufferValue(Buffer.from([0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x04])),
    new RecordValue({
        sus: new StringValue('sus'),
        amogus: new Uint8Value(1)
    }),
    new BufferValue(Buffer.from([0x05, 0x06, 0x07, 0x08])),
    new ArrayValue([
        new Uint8Value(1),
        new Uint8Value(2),
        new Uint8Value(3),
        new Uint8Value(4),
        new RecordValue({
            type: new StringValue('arnude'),
            cash: new ArrayValue([
                new Uint8Value(1),
                new Uint8Value(2),
                new Uint8Value(3),
                new Uint8Value(4)
            ])
        })
    ])
])

const jsonEquivalent = JSON.stringify([
    'hello',
    255,
    'world',
    0,
    '你好',
    [0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x04],
    {
        sus: 'sus',
        amogus: 1
    },
    [0x05, 0x06, 0x07, 0x08],
    [1, 2, 3, 4, {
        type: 'arnude',
        cash: [1, 2, 3, 4]
    }]
])

[sharp geyser]

ar nude

[quartz kindle]

could do it in 74 bytes

:^)

[neon leaf]

elaborate

[quartz kindle]

lemme get home first

[sharp geyser]

Tim currently walking through the Brazilian jungle to his humble abode

[quartz kindle]

nah just sitting in a bar having a beer

[sharp geyser]

Wahhh

Tim drinking?

[quartz kindle]

chsllenging myself to do things i never do

typical post-heartbreak behavior

[sharp geyser]

We need to find you a new girl tim

[quartz kindle]

find me a gamer gurl who plays league

[sharp geyser]

Oh god

Easy

[quartz kindle]

she needs to be cute tho

and not a psychopat

[lyric mountain]

nah ditch league, come play deadlock

[quartz kindle]

most gamer gurls have mental issues

[sharp geyser]

Is deadlock even poppin rn?

I swear the hype died quick

[lyric mountain]

it is, some days we get slow queues but usually it's a few seconds to find a game

[quartz kindle]

super dumbed down but yeah

[neon leaf]

🤔

how

I even did some optimizations and im still at 99 bytes

[lyric mountain]

no, we ain't gonna get into another contest for best X algorithm

[neon leaf]

hell yes we are

not sure if it also applies to tims thingy but nothing in my encoder can go over length 255

[quartz kindle]

essentially something like this:
byte1 = type array length 9
byte2 = type string length 5
byte3 = h
byte4 = e
byte5 = l
byte6 = l
byte7 = o
byte8 = type number length 1
byte9 = 255
byte10= type string length 5
byte11 = w
byte12 = o
byte13= r
byte14= l
byte15 = d
...

[neon leaf]

hm

thats exactly what I have

[quartz kindle]

then you're wasting some space somewhere

[lyric mountain]

inb4 u encoded the tabs

[neon leaf]

class StringValue implements BaseValue {
    public readonly type = 1

    constructor(public value: string) {}

    public encode() {
        const buffer = Buffer.from(this.value, 'utf8')

        return Buffer.concat([Buffer.from([1, buffer.length]), buffer])
    }
}

class Uint8Value implements BaseValue {
    public readonly type = 2

    constructor(public value: number) {
        this.value = value % 256
    }

    public encode() {
        return Buffer.from([2, this.value])
    }
}

// ...

class RecordValue implements BaseValue {
    public readonly type = 4

    constructor(public value: Record<string, Value>) {}

    public encode() {
        const chunks: Buffer[] = []

        for (const [key, value] of Object.entries(this.value)) {
            const valueBuffer = value.encode()

            chunks.push(new StringValue(key).encode(), valueBuffer)
        }

        return Buffer.concat([Buffer.from([4, Buffer.concat(chunks).length]), ...chunks])
    }
}

class ArrayValue implements BaseValue {
    public readonly type = 5

    constructor(public value: Value[]) {}

    public encode() {
        const chunks: Buffer[] = []

        for (const value of this.value) {
            chunks.push(value.encode())
        }

        return Buffer.concat([Buffer.from([5, Buffer.concat(chunks).length]), ...chunks])
    }
}

[quartz kindle]

you have type and length as separate bytes

[neon leaf]

ah

[quartz kindle]

byte1 = type string
byte2 = length 5

i put them both together

[neon leaf]

hmm

I guess

[quartz kindle]

ie 0b00000101
type string as 0000 and length 5 as 0101

[neon leaf]

but that would make the string limit even smaller, no?

[quartz kindle]

yes, depends on how you organize it

with 4 bits the limit is 16 chars

you can make it 5 bits or even six, at the expense of having less space for different types

i can show you an example of an old project i never finished

this is one of the projects i never finished that i want to finish some day

the goal is to be faster and smaller than messagepack

for example type pos smi, you have 2 bits for the type and 6 bits for the value, which is enough to old a number from 1 to 64 together with the type

so instead of
byte1 = type number
byte2 = 50

you can have
byte1 = type small number with value 50

[neon leaf]

mmmm

[quartz kindle]

messagepack does this as well

they have 1 bit for type small number and 7 bits for the value

they can hold 0-127 in a single byte

btw this is the code i made to get 74 bytes from your object

function encode(data) {
    
    switch(typeof data) {
        case "string": {
            return [data.length, ...data.split("").map(x => x.charCodeAt())];
        }
        case "number": {
            return data < 128 ? [128+data] : [0b00001001, data];
        }
        case "object": {
            if(Array.isArray(data)) {
                return [0b00010000 + data.length, ...data.map(x => encode(x)).flat()]
            } else {
                const entries = Object.entries(data);
                return [0b00011000 + entries.length, ...entries.map(x => [...encode(x[0]), ...encode(x[1])]).flat()]
            }
        }
    }
}

i just made some random values to hold the types

you can go lower than 74 bytes if you use string compression

[wheat mesa]

Huffman encoding?

[quartz kindle]

no idea, i came up with a weird utf6 encoding

with 6 bits per character best case

makes strings about 25% smaller

you can also make a 5 bits per char encoding, if you limit it to lowercase characters only

[wheat mesa]

Assuming that you have either a limited set of characters or some characters that appear more commonly than others, Huffman is pretty good

[quartz kindle]

i've never tried using it

[wheat mesa]

It’s basically making a BST for a character based on the frequency in which it appears within a given input

It’s very easy to implement

A PriorityQueue does the work for you pretty much

You can look it up, might be worth looking into

[quartz kindle]

from what i can see, huffman coding requires you to read the string first to gather info

[lyric mountain]

is that the one where AAAAABBBCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDD becomes A05B03C10D06?

[wheat mesa]

Yeah it does

[wheat mesa]

No

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huffman_coding

I suppose this is problematic bc it doesn’t retain information about the tree that was used to build the encoding itself

Therefore you wouldn’t be able to decompress it without storing additional info which would probably defeat the purpose of the space you saved (unless the data is large enough to warrant it)

[quartz kindle]

yeah i cant use it then, i dont want to do multiple passes over strings

goes against my performance goals

[prime cliff]

Yay got permission overrides fully working for all resource types and specific permissions for roles, members and api client.

[earnest phoenix]

14 ci: Fix commits later

[sharp geyser]

@solemn latch you use next-auth right? Can you answer some questions for me?

I am wondering if it supports silently refreshing access tokens, and also I am struggling to implement it myself with nextjs v15

[solemn latch]

If you use database I think so, yeah. I'll have to look

[pearl trail]

at this point, this prettier asks me to rebuild everything 💀

[covert gale]

you may find this useful: https://github.com/nektos/act

[sleek bear]

i used a basic slash command to say hello and even after 2 days my bot still isnt marked as active, do i have to add something else or did i miss something? And yes i have the data use turned on

[quartz kindle]

you mean this?

or this?

[sleek bear]

ye i want to get the dev badge and therefor i need an active bot right?

[quartz kindle]

For your app to be considered active, it will need to have executed an application command in the last 30 days.
If you or your team have an active app, head to the Developer Portal to grab your badge! There, you should find a prompt to join the Active Developer Program and claim your badge, by following these steps:

SELECT AN ACTIVE APP
DESIGNATE A COMMUNITY SERVER
CHOOSE A DEVELOPER NEWS CHANNEL

[sleek bear]

yes thats what i did read, but i thought the application command is just a.e a simple slash command to be able to turn the bot to active

[quartz kindle]

yes it is, but you need to go to the developer portal and enable the badge there

what does your developer portal say?

[quartz kindle]

hmm

did you do this?

In order for us to detect command usage, you or at least one person on the team that owns the app needs to have "Use data to improve Discord" enabled within User Settings > Privacy & Safety. At least 24 hours need to pass after we detect a command, so make sure to wait at least 24 hours after enabling this setting before trying again.

[lyric mountain]

lul so it is basically trading usage data for a badge

[pearl trail]

hello developers, i want to ask your opinion, do you prefer use yaml config or env for dockerized C# project's configurations?

[sleek bear]

yes that part is turned on

thats why i said i waited 2 days since they stated it takes at least 24h

[lament rock]

env vars make more sense to me there

[quartz kindle]

json > *

:^)

[pearl trail]

i see, alright thanks!

[vocal knot]

was gonna say i didn't do that for mine but my bot was already starting to get used a bit

[small tangle]

Why not use the appsettings.json for that?

[frosty gale]

poor people badge

early verified developer badge is where its at

[quartz kindle]

where's yours :^)

[small tangle]

Damn

[frosty gale]

i never had the chance to make a bot during that time 😦

[small tangle]

Badge diff

[frosty gale]

chloe's elite economy bot simply never took off

[small tangle]

Even though its so elite? Sad

[sharp geyser]

[frosty gale]

people are just narrow minded

[sharp geyser]

I cant imagine why sounds like an amazing bot

[frosty gale]

wouldnt know whats good for them even if it was waved under their nose

[small tangle]

Chloe was ahead of her time, they didnt see the vision

[small tangle]

Back to old pb

[sharp geyser]

hm?

[small tangle]

You have your old profile picture again :D

[quartz kindle]

i saw my ex today after 27 days of not speaking to each other
and in 20min i need to start teaching an html/css class

im nervous af

[small tangle]

You got this

[deft wolf]

[frosty gale]

27 days is rookie numbers

[pearl trail]

hmm, so you actually prefer appsettings? because in my case, using env will be more easier since i can just put it on my docker-compose environments. if i use files like yml/files, i'd need to set up a directory for the config and mount it to container, which takes a bit more time. that's why i'm asking here what people usually/prefer to use, since i'm new to dotnet + dockerizing it

[small tangle]

Id say i prefer it in the .net ecosystem since they work with appsettings.json ootb

Because something like IConfiguration works by default with appsettings.json, idk id they work with other formats also

I have a dockerized project as well and rather than managing the container myself, im using .net aspire for that

[earnest phoenix]

probably won't work for macos/windows runners

docker containers for these are likely super slow

if it even has any stable one

[delicate zephyr]

1. They do

2. It's stable enough that if you have a decent enough PC they wont crash randomly

Read here: https://nektosact.com/usage/runners.html

Explains how to get windows runners and macos runners working

[earnest phoenix]

Just explains which image is used for ubuntu runners

The only mention of macOS/Windows (in the whole docs/book BTW) is

If you want to run Windows and macOS based platforms and you are running act within that specfic environment you can opt out of docker and run them directly on your host system.

Here are some examples

act -P ubuntu-latest=-self-hosted
act -P windows-latest=-self-hosted
act -P macos-latest=-self-hosted```

It wouldn't be the case

There's no specific mention of what image is used whatsoever

I guess I'd need to install then try it and see

If it manages to do it in a stable way, pretty neat - but the book/docs just give zero information as to how they run macOS/Windows runners or which image(s) they use..

[prime cliff]

Woooo got fully working permission overwrites for my project just like Discords but with an extra category for api clients 🙂

[sharp geyser]

Good job

[vocal knot]

i would have never expected my bot to make it to corsair's discord server LOL

[stark abyss]

as soon as the default flutter app complie on emulator my computer restarts... been solid 5 times already

any idea what could be wrong? It shouldnt be the code since I havent made any changes

[surreal sage]

aint nothing like having gpt make gh workflows for you (pain and suffering)

[prime cliff]

Why not dont use gpt

[bitter granite]

what does it do?

[earnest phoenix]

Website's not mobile friendly, but something to do with Bluesky

Likely sending your Bluesky posts in Discord

[bitter granite]

if that what it does, not suprising that it got added to crosair
rarely seeing this kind of bot in queue nows days

[earnest phoenix]

multipurpose bot moment

[harsh nova]

I reviewed one that linked like WhatsApp and discord chats so if you sent a message in a discord channel it got passed along to a WhatsApp channel and vice versa. Still remember that bot years later cus it was unique

Don't remember a single multi purp bot

[bitter granite]

is it mine? couse i have that bot and its still running (althou it just scrape the online web whatsapp)

[harsh nova]

Not sure but I don't think so. If I recall correctly I had to give this bot api leys or do some sort of config to set it up

[bitter granite]

oh mine is just
add this number to your discord group and e!link xxxx-xxxx code

its no longer at the site thou i think

[harsh nova]

Yeah it wasn't yours I approved but sounds like a cool bot!

[bitter granite]

sadly i cant make it public anymore couse i am broke
each group eats arround 200-300 mb minimum, couse it has to run another instance of wa web

[bitter granite]

Multipurpose bot and music bot and ai bot nows days tbh

almost no other new bot

If i have time ill update it so it connect to teamspeak too

[lyric mountain]

people still use teamspeak?

[bitter granite]

Unironicly teamspeak vc is alot better then discord

We use it for meeting and stuff (not topgg)

[deft wolf]

My brother uses TeamSpeak or Discord depending on what game he is currently wanting to play with friends because he has other friends for one game and others for another

[bitter granite]

Also another benefit is you can be in multiple call at the same time and key bind each call to a push to talk

So one call is with client and another is for the team

[earnest phoenix]

this tbh ^

also if you just want to play and use voice, pointless to go on discord and make it use your resources unnecessarily

ts > discord for voice
discord > ts for communities etc.

[bitter granite]

No need nitro perks
When the server is super light to host

[earnest phoenix]

have/had ts 5 beta but never really used the new features

[bitter granite]

The only down side is

The mobile app is paid

[deft wolf]

You can still crack it no?

[earnest phoenix]

yeah but tbh, i'd guess most people don't use the mobile app

and i wouldn't be surprised that some apks are around, like any other paid app

[deft wolf]

#2 top paid 💪

[bitter granite]

Virus troma

[bitter granite]

The ranking is wild

[deft wolf]

What the fuck is Threema

Am I living under the rock or something

[bitter granite]

Threema is the messenger with the most consistent focus on security and privacy.

Threema is the world’s best-selling secure messenger and keeps your data out of the hands of hackers, corporations, and governments. The service can be used completely anonymously. Threema is open source and offers every feature one would expect from a state-of-the-art instant messenger. The app also allows you to make end-to-end encrypted voice, video, and group calls. Using the desktop app and the web client, you can also use Threema from your desktop.

In the desc

Sounds like pr message

Of whatsapp clone

[deft wolf]

Sounds like Telegram for me

[bitter granite]

Never used one so idk

[deft wolf]

Let's be honest, all these messengers look similar

[bitter granite]

Its just
Text above
Text box under
, click text box to show keyboard

[earnest phoenix]

Not really

[neon leaf]

when 51$ gift

[quartz kindle]

wasnt threema a paid app?

[earnest phoenix]

It's encrypted and swiss x)

[deft wolf]

It is paid

[quartz kindle]

when being swiss is a feature

[earnest phoenix]

the servers and data laws

not in EU garbage

[quartz kindle]

xD

[earnest phoenix]

we're not allowed to use whatsapp or whatever else in the army for example

forced to use threema because at least it's encrypted not like whatsapp claims it is

[quartz kindle]

what about session? i never use it but i have it installed, its pretty good privacy wise

[earnest phoenix]

or discord's "voice encryption"

[earnest phoenix]

never heard, other i heard was Signal

[quartz kindle]

session doesnt require any personal data to sign up, you get a unique id instead that you share with people, and account recovery codes like 2fa/crypto

no email, no phone, no nothing

[vocal knot]

similar to what the bots that forward twitter messages to discord but for bluesky

[bitter granite]

Thats a rare bot to see
I thibk it is like less then 10 bots that do that in the site atm

[vocal knot]

i think so yeah

also people keep telling me mine is way better than the others

[pine willow]

Whats the bots purpose?

[deft wolf]

Forward posts from bluesky to discord channel

[pine willow]

no clue what bluesky is

[deft wolf]

It's something like twitter

[pine willow]

Most likely a chat platform?

[pine willow]

ah I see

thats cool

[deft wolf]

A lot of people were looking for an alternative to Twitter after Elon Musk took it over and someone decided to fill this gap and people use them alternately. As for me, they are equally toxic so I don't use one or the other

[vocal knot]

bluesky was already in the works by the twitter team before elon took over they basically just split and made it a propper public app

[untold vortex]

hello sir i got an error how to solve?

[pine willow]

npm i topggcard ???

[untold vortex]

not working

[pine willow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold vortex]

do u have

any top.gg votes poster bot

[pine willow]

My bot does that automatic

with the top.gg sdk

[untold vortex]

ohh ok

[pine willow]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/@top-gg/sdk

[untold vortex]

okk ty

leme make it also

@pine willow bro

what is webhook auth?

const webhook = new Topgg.Webhook("topggauth123"); // add your Top.gg webhook authorization (not bot token)

this

[pine willow]

a random string you create

that verifys requests

[untold vortex]

like how to create?

[pine willow]

🤦‍♂️

just type in a random string

[untold vortex]

🙂 i am new plz hehe

[untold vortex]

where

[pine willow]

....

[untold vortex]

ohh ok

[untold vortex]

const { AutoPoster } = require("topgg-autoposter");

AutoPoster("topgg-token", client).on("posted", () => {
  console.log("Posted stats to Top.gg!");
});```
need  to add in index.js file?

[pine willow]

Do I know how your code looks like??

You are the developer

[untold vortex]

yes

[pine willow]

No I dont.

[untold vortex]

uhh?

[pine willow]

How should I know your code??

[untold vortex]

ah ok

[vocal knot]

you should try this magic tool: https://google.com @untold vortex

[bitter granite]

good idea but we do have a thing about google i think

yeah...

[vocal knot]

sorry

[untold vortex]

add xd okk

[vocal knot]

https://top.gg/bot/BOTID/webhooks

then under Authorization you set whatever you want

then in the bot you put the same authorization

[untold vortex]

https://top.gg/1016392200516550736/webhooks

nah

[deft wolf]

But you don't have an approved bot on top.gg right?

[vocal knot]

could it be because it's under a team and you're the moderator of it not owner?

https://top.gg/team/370563798951952384

[deft wolf]

Damn, he's missing /bot/ in this url

[bitter granite]

its https://top.gg/bot/1016392200516550736/webhooks

[bitter granite]

damn u are like 0.001 second faster then me

[vocal knot]

oh LOL i didn't realize that LOL

i need coffee

[bitter granite]

You need coffee i need sleep

[quartz kindle]

oh league of legends i didn't realize that league of legends

[vocal knot]

exactly

i just put my french press in the fridge instead of the milk

[long marsh]

If I want to provide an incentive for players who are in my community discord server a certain perk (that will be referenced with every click), what's the best way to do this without breaching some sort of discord API limit?

Option 1 (likely terrible): Naively, I could simply check if they're a member of a server everytime they click.
Option 2: Cache their membership status for a certain amount of hours
Option 3: Load the entire list of server members once per day and verify if they're in that list

[wheat mesa]

Have a hybrid of option 3, load all the server members into a database, then on guildMemberAdd/delete you can check the ID of the server and add/remove from that db accordingly

That’s how I would approach it at least

There’s some flaws here like if you or the DAPI have downtime, you’ll have to check the list of server members again, but still

Option 2 is solid as well, check if they’re part of the server once and cache it for 6 hours or some arbitrary amount of time

Option 2 is probably the best for simplicity sake

[long marsh]

Option 2 seems rough if I concurrently have 100 - 200 players at all times. Basically would be hitting that endpoint up to 200 - 500 times in the course of an hour. But maybe that scale isn't that bad?

[wheat mesa]

200-500 times in an hour is nothing

you need a lot more requests than that to even get close to hitting the ratelimit

I believe global ratelimit applies here, which would be something like 60 req/s last I checked

Plus, you should ideally implement a system that prevents you from hitting the ratelimit before you get 429'ed based on the HTTP headers discord sends back to you

https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/rate-limits

[quartz kindle]

if you have a websocket connection, you can get multiple guild members in a single call via the websocket, up to 100 members per call

which basically skips the entire rest api and does not impact rate limits

you can also keep the websocket connection for your guild only, just for that feature, if you dont already use the websocket for other things

[tacit estuary]

Damn. They were brutal to you. I will admit, it sucks ass to be a beginner because the non beginners often treat you like pretty poorly. I personally don't know webhooks as I never used them before. I got banned from python discord because I snapped at them for the harsh treatment I had.

Anyway, the best way to figure out things with hopefully not needing to rely on anybody is to look up examples of what you're wanting on google.

[deft wolf]

Toxic top.gg

[quartz kindle]

wholesome bottom.gg

[pearl trail]

middle.gg

[vocal knot]

yeah that's nothing my discord bot sends messages around 150-200-ish per hour but before each message it checks if the discord channel exists and checks perms

and haven't hit any ratelimit

[long marsh]

Great to hear that the rate limit isn't as bad as I thought 🙂

[vocal knot]

also i think once your bot is verified the ratelimits are a bit more forgiving

[long marsh]

That makes sense – my bot has been verified for a while now haha

[frosty gale]

i think theyre about the same, its only very large bots and agreed on with discord that get special ratelimit increases

but if you do everything correctly its very hard to reach the ratelimits

plus libraries should gracefully handle any rate limit backoffs so even if you do get a ratelimit chances are you wont notice it unless its a massive global one

[vocal knot]

pretty sure when i got mine verified it said something about ratelimit

[quartz kindle]

never heard of that before, only if its something new

[vocal knot]

maybe it said that i can contact support to get it raised

[deft wolf]

Contacting with Discord does not mean that they will automatically give you increased rate limits. I would rather say that it is for these really large bots, otherwise they will tell you to improve your code

[quartz kindle]

yeah pretty sure they only increase your limits if your use case really needs them

[earnest phoenix]

Rate limit increase is when the bot is in like 100k+ servers

And they only increase the global rate limit

Verifying your bot has zero impact on rate limits and it never was the case

[frosty gale]

you have to write poopoo code to hit them anyways

a lot of the devs here are pretty good at that though

[vocal knot]

never said it did

[quartz kindle]

yes i am very good at writing poopoo code

[deft wolf]

I can't believe it, it's ruining my whole worldview

[long marsh]

I guess there is an alternative:

• Listen for join/leave events in that one server
• Update database with all the members in it
• Check if members are in it and still cache so you don’t smash your own database

[crisp crown]

hello guys with this script : ```js
const { Client, GatewayIntentBits, EmbedBuilder, ActionRowBuilder, ButtonBuilder, ButtonStyle } = require('discord.js');
const { AutoPoster } = require('topgg-autoposter')

module.exports = {
name: "topgg",
description: "🔩 Update stats on top.gg",
ownerOnly: false,
userPerms: ["SendMessages"],
botPerms: ["SendMessages"],

async execute(interaction, client, games, lang) {
    const translate = require(`../../../Langages/${lang}`);
    await interaction.reply({ content: translate.executing_command, ephemeral: true });

    const ap = AutoPoster('', client)

    ap.on('posted', async () => {
        return interaction.editReply({content: translate.update_vote, ephemeral: true});
    })
}

};

I have this error : 0|under  | Erreur lors de l'exécution de la commande : Error: Unsupported client
0|under  |     at AutoPoster (/home/debian/node_modules/topgg-autoposter/dist/index.js:46:11)
0|under  |     at Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Commandes/Infos/topgg.js:15:20)
0|under  |     at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)
0|under  |     at async Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Events/Client/interactionCreate.js:39:21)
0|under  | Erreur lors de l'exécution de la commande : Error: Unsupported client
0|under  |     at AutoPoster (/home/debian/node_modules/topgg-autoposter/dist/index.js:46:11)
0|under  |     at Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Commandes/Infos/topgg.js:15:20)
0|under  |     at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)
0|under  |     at async Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Events/Client/interactionCreate.js:39:21)


but my client works its wierd ?

[vocal knot]

the client object is unsupported also don't make it as a command that's an event it should only be called once so do it in on ready

[crisp crown]

ohhhh ok

i'll try ty

0|under  | Error: Unsupported client
0|under  |     at AutoPoster (/home/debian/node_modules/topgg-autoposter/dist/index.js:46:11)
0|under  |     at Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Events/Client/ready.js:14:12)
0|under  |     at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)``` @vocal knot it continues...

const { AutoPoster } = require('topgg-autoposter')
module.exports = {
    name: 'ready',
    /**
     * @param {Discord.Interaction} interaction 
     */
    async execute(client) {

        await client.application.commands.set(client.slashCommands.map((cmd) => cmd));
        client.user.setPresence({ activities: [{ name: 'Who is the impostor ?' }] });
        console.log(`Connecté en tant que %s`, 'Discord');
        console.log(`Lien d'invitation du bot : https://discord.com/oauth2/authorize?client_id=${client.user.id}&scope=bot`);

const ap = AutoPoster('', client)

        ap.on('posted', async () => {
            console.log("posted");
        })

    }
}```

but what is crazy is that in local it works but in my vps it doesnt

[vocal knot]

nvm it says to use the one you already have

can you show when client is set first

[crisp crown]

const ClientLogin = require("./src/Client/index.js");
const {
    Client,
    GatewayIntentBits,
    Partials, WebhookClient
} = require('discord.js');
const { sync } = require("./src/Database/sync.js");
const express = require('express');
const bodyParser = require('body-parser');
const Topgg = require('@top-gg/sdk');


const client = new Client({
    intents: [
        GatewayIntentBits.GuildMembers,
        GatewayIntentBits.GuildMessages,
        GatewayIntentBits.GuildVoiceStates,
        GatewayIntentBits.Guilds,
        GatewayIntentBits.MessageContent,
        GatewayIntentBits.GuildMessageReactions
    ],
    partials: [
        Partials.Channel,
        Partials.User,
        Partials.Message,
        Partials.GuildMember,
    ],
});


ClientLogin(client);
sync();

const app = express();
const webhook = new Topgg.Webhook("");

app.use(bodyParser.json());

app.post('/hook/vote', webhook.listener(async (vote) => {
    const webhookURL = '';
    const webhookClient = new WebhookClient({ url: webhookURL });
    const user = await client.users.fetch(vote.user);
    webhookClient.send(`${user.tag} (${vote.user}) viens de voter !`)}));

app.listen(3000, () => {
    console.log("?? Serveur en écoute sur le port 3000");
});
``` sure

[vocal knot]

did you set the topgg api key?

[crisp crown]

yup

[vocal knot]

try this

const { AutoPoster } = require("topgg-autoposter");
AutoPoster("topgg-token", client).on("posted", () => {
  console.log("Posted stats to Top.gg!");
});

do it exactly like that and see

also what's in ClientLogin

[crisp crown]

0|under  | Error: Unsupported client
0|under  |     at AutoPoster (/home/debian/node_modules/topgg-autoposter/dist/index.js:46:11)
0|under  |     at Object.execute (/home/debian/undercover/src/Modules/Events/Client/ready.js:14:1)
0|under  |     at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)
``` exactly the same wt

[crisp crown]

const LoadCommands = require("./Handlers/commands");
const LoadEvents = require("./Handlers/events");
const color = require("color");
const colors = require("colors");
require("dotenv").config();
const {
    Collection
} = require("discord.js");

module.exports = async client => {

    client.slashCommands = new Collection();
    client.cooldown = new Collection();

    const colorHex = color(process.env.COLOR.toLowerCase()).hex();
    const colorNumber = parseInt(colorHex.replace('#', ''), 16);
    client.color = colorNumber;

    LoadCommands(client);
    LoadEvents(client);
    

    // Connexion du bot
    client.login(process.env.TOKEN).catch((err) => {
        const errorMsg = process.env.TOKEN.length < 1 ?
            "Vous n'avez pas mis de token dans le fichier .env !" :
            `[ ${process.env.TOKEN} ] invalide !`;
        console.error(new Error(colors.red(errorMsg)));
    });
}```

[vocal knot]

what version of discord.js?

[crisp crown]

the latest one

idk

in an other bot

it works

[wheat mesa]

Check your package.json file

What does it say as the version for discord.js

[crisp crown]

"discord.js": "^14.17.3",

i dont understand fr thats wierd asf

[wheat mesa]

Try changing that to “latest”

[vocal knot]

maybe compare it with how you have it setup cuz idk why it doesn't work

unless maybe you're using an old version of topgg-autoposter

this is what throws the error

so somehow it sees as if you have something else than the above

maybe your const ClientLogin = require("./src/Client/index.js"); fucks with it?

or maybe reinstall topgg-autoposter and discord.js

[crisp crown]

ty very much guys

i'll try it

tomorow

i'll sleep rn

have a nice night

[neon leaf]

in a modal, how can I edit the original message that has the button that triggered the modal? (same as interaction.update on buttons)

[pearl trail]

what lib

[neon leaf]

discord.js

I tried editReply but it gave this

    at ModalSubmitInteraction.editReply (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/discord.js@14.17.3_bufferutil@4.0.9_utf-8-validate@6.0.5/node_modules/discord.js/src/structures/interfaces/InteractionResponses.js:247:48)
    at AsyncFunction.listener (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/src/bot/modals/tickets/logs.ts:35:26)
    at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:105:5)
    at async Client.<anonymous> (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/src/bot/index.ts:230:4)```

[pearl trail]

how about <ModalSubmitInteraction>.message.edit ?

[neon leaf]

its ephemeral,

    at handleErrors (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/@discordjs+rest@2.4.2/node_modules/@discordjs/rest/src/lib/handlers/Shared.ts:148:10)
    at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:105:5)
    at async SequentialHandler.runRequest (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/@discordjs+rest@2.4.2/node_modules/@discordjs/rest/src/lib/handlers/SequentialHandler.ts:417:20)
    at async SequentialHandler.queueRequest (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/@discordjs+rest@2.4.2/node_modules/@discordjs/rest/src/lib/handlers/SequentialHandler.ts:169:11)
    at async _REST.request (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/@discordjs+rest@2.4.2/node_modules/@discordjs/rest/src/lib/REST.ts:210:20)
    at async GuildMessageManager.edit (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/node_modules/.pnpm/discord.js@14.17.3_bufferutil@4.0.9_utf-8-validate@6.0.5/node_modules/discord.js/src/managers/MessageManager.js:188:15)
    at async Client.<anonymous> (/root/projects/0x7d8/addon-bot/src/bot/index.ts:230:4)```

[vocal knot]

defer it first

let message = await interaction.deferReply({
    fetchReply: true,
    ephemeral: true,
});


await interaction.editReply({
    content: "",
    ephemeral: true,
    components: [buttonsRow],
    embeds: [embed],
});

it should work for you

[neon leaf]

also doesnt edit the original message

[vocal knot]

cuz you made it create a reply somewhere

so it edits the last one

[neon leaf]

yeah, deferReply creates one

[vocal knot]

you need to use that and edit it but somewhere in your code you create a new ephemeral msh

msg

[neon leaf]

I used what you sent

[vocal knot]

cuz it's what i do for one of my commands as a confirm prompt

[neon leaf]

import Modal from "@/bot/modal"
import axios from "axios"
import { ActionRowBuilder, TextInputBuilder, TextInputStyle } from "discord.js"
import { eq } from "drizzle-orm"
import diagnosisSelect from "@/bot/selects/tickets/diagnosis"
import { size } from "@rjweb/utils"

export default new Modal()
    .setName('tickets-logs')
    .setTitle('Submit Panel Logs')
    .build((builder) => builder
        .addRow((row) => row
            .addComponents([
                new TextInputBuilder()
                    .setLabel('Log URL')
                    .setCustomId('log_url')
                    .setPlaceholder('https://pastes.dev/xxxxxx')
                    .setStyle(TextInputStyle.Short)
                    .setMinLength(1)
                    .setRequired(true)
            ])
        )
    )
    .listen(async(ctx, product: { id: number, name: string } | null) => {
        if (!ctx.interaction.guild) return

        const log = await axios.get<string>(ctx.interaction.fields.getTextInputValue('log_url').replace('pastes.dev', 'api.pastes.dev'), {
            maxContentLength: size(2.5).mb()
        }).catch(() => null)

        console.log(log?.data)

        const data = await ctx.database.select()
            .from(ctx.database.schema.supportDataPoints)
            .where(eq(ctx.database.schema.supportDataPoints.priority, 0))
            .then((r) => r[0])

        await ctx.interaction.deferReply({ fetchReply: true, ephemeral: true })

        return ctx.interaction.editReply({
            embeds: [
                ctx.Embed()
                    .setTitle('`⚒️` Self-Diagnosis')
                    .setDescription(ctx.join(
                        'Before we open a ticket, we will ask you some questions in hopes of you finding the solution to your problem.',
                        '',
                        '> **Question**',
                        `> ${data.question}`
                    ))
            ], components: [
                new ActionRowBuilder()
                    .addComponents(
                        diagnosisSelect(ctx, [data.possibleValues], [ctx.support.compactData({ addon: product?.id.toString() }), data.id])
                    ) as any
            ]
        })
    })
    .export()```

[vocal knot]

maybe try

const filter = (btnInteraction) => btnInteraction.user.id === interaction.user.id;
const collector = message.createMessageComponentCollector({ filter, time: 15000 });

collector.on("collect", async (btnInteraction) => {
...
await btnInteraction.update({
        content: "",
        ephemeral: true,
        embeds: [embed],
        components: []
    });
})

[neon leaf]

I think I found the issue, im using the wrong type for my modal interactions

https://discordjs.guide/interactions/modals.html#responding-to-modal-submissions

it mentions the update() method

yep, that works

[deft wolf]

Lesson for today: check the documentation carefully

[quartz kindle]

and in case of doubt: yell kurwa jebana

[deft wolf]

I have never yelled while writing code, but I have questioned the meaning of life

[vocal knot]

instead of yelling i listen to heavy metal

[pearl trail]

yeah metal is heavy, i agree

[prime cliff]

metal_pipe.wav

[queen needle]

How come there isn't a sorting algorithm with a time complexity less than O(n * logn)? Is that even possible?

[wheat mesa]

There are sorting algorithms that are best case O(n) in the event that the array is already sorted, but afaik there is no way to get an average case better than O(n log n)

There’s probably some math out there for it

The idea being that if you are sorting an array, it requires iterating over all of the elements at least once. If you magically knew exactly where each element belonged ahead of time, you’d get O(n) best case

[surreal sage]

i love when companies forget spf/dmarc records

and then get their shit spoofed for spam mail

[lyric mountain]

counting sort is O(n+k)

then there's the theoretical best case of bead sort which is O(1)

but it's impossible to implement digitally

[quartz kindle]

so is bogosort

:^)

[lyric mountain]

I mean, bead sort actually works 100% of the time at constant time, just not digitally

you just release the beads and they sort themselves

[scenic kelp]

it's not constant time though if you're doing it physically, no?

since the height at which the beads are dropped increases linearly, you'll have an O(sqrt N) growth with gravity

[lyric mountain]

correct, blame gravity

[scenic kelp]

therefore we should run our computers on planets with higher gravity to improve performance

[lyric mountain]

supercondutors are possible at room temperature in neptune

imagine all the ghz you'd gain

[neon leaf]

not many with modern x86 processors

transistors so tiny, at a point the voltage will pass through the transistors completely

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, long time no see! How's all doing?

I got a question.
Just got into react, i am trying to combine it with bootstrap, but somehow the hamburger menu does NOT close when opened:

import "bootstrap/dist/css/bootstrap.min.css";
import "bootstrap/dist/js/bootstrap.bundle.min.js";
import "../Styles/home.css";

const Home = () => {
  return (
    <nav className="navbar navbar-expand-lg bg-body-tertiary fixed-top">
      <div className="container-fluid">
        <a className="navbar-brand" href="#">
          Navbar
        </a>
        <button
          className="navbar-toggler"
          type="button"
          data-bs-toggle="collapse"
          data-bs-target="#navbarNav"
          aria-controls="navbarNav"
          aria-expanded="false"
          aria-label="Toggle navigation"
        >
          <span className="navbar-toggler-icon"></span>
        </button>
        <div className="collapse navbar-collapse" id="navbarNav">
          <ul className="navbar-nav">
            <li className="nav-item">
              <a className="nav-link active" aria-current="page" href="#">
                Home
              </a>
            </li>
            <li className="nav-item">
              <a className="nav-link" href="#">
                Features
              </a>
            </li>
            <li className="nav-item">
              <a className="nav-link" href="#">
                Pricing
              </a>
            </li>
            <li className="nav-item">
              <a className="nav-link disabled" aria-disabled="true">
                Disabled
              </a>
            </li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </div>
    </nav>
  );
};

export default Home;

[proven lantern]

https://react-bootstrap.netlify.app/docs/components/navbar#responsive-behaviors

[frosty gale]

why should i bro

if i post this here people will send me money aah

[earnest phoenix]

@solemn latch is interested

[solemn latch]

I sent what i could

[earnest phoenix]

goodgood

[frosty gale]

to be fair he didnt do anything wrong other than misusing the channel maybe

[eternal osprey]

lets gooo

react is fun no cap

why didn't i look into it earlier

it makes frontend so easy due to reusing components

daym

[lyric mountain]

I'll never touch react again, not even with a pole

[solemn latch]

classic

[frosty gale]

using other web frameworks makes you realise how convoluted and heavy react is

[wooden ember]

I have not touched the code for any of my bots in about 6 months maybe almost a year in some cases. How bad has nodejs' infinite new versions vortex gotten in that time?

are we up to node.js v78 and d.js v43 now?

[deft wolf]

Not really

Newest node.js is v22 and newest discord.js is v14 afaik

[wooden ember]

i'm still on node v16 and d.js 13

[stiff dust]

Some bots such as Sapphire are doing custom brands as premium perk so you buy their premium and you get a bot with custom profile, name, avatar and about me!

And I wanna know how they run one source on different tokens?

[deft wolf]

Have you tried to ask on their support server?

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[stiff dust]

their support server is for asking question about how to work with their bot not how to create a bot like they bot XD

[quartz kindle]

latest node is 23.7 lel

but yeah 22 is LTS

[vocal knot]

they don't do it on one token what they do is if you pay they let you use your own token

[elfin helm]

That's not what they asked...

[elfin helm]

They most likely have a "custom brand" version where mentions of "sapphire" are removed. When a subscription is bought I'm guessing a copy of the custom brand is created for the specific user

The custom profile, name, etc are all done by the user on the developer portal

[spark flint]

^

then its the same source code but deployed under a different token

likely just a docker container etc

[deft wolf]

So it's exactly the same system as all these "cheap" hosting sites

[vocal knot]

that's literally what i said

[vernal latch]

not sure if you already have an answer

but i help run a bot with like 10k guilds and we also have custom branding

we are literally just running the same exact source code but deploying it with a different token

in a container

[stark grail]

does anyone knows how this works?

status disappeared

[deft wolf]

Bots that have no connection with gateway have no status afaik

[solemn latch]

yep, its just using discord webhook events.

https://discord.com/developers/docs/events/webhook-events#preparing-for-events

[fossil coyote]

Any way to get top.gg to reflect my bot's avatar change?

[vocal knot]

you click refresh data then add a space in the description or anything

[fossil coyote]

Got it

Thanks

[vocal knot]

np

yuck (someone who uses my bot) to post ai slop to discord

i hate generative ai

[prime cliff]

With asp.net blazor SSR i can trigger server events to update the notification badge and list instantly too

[solemn latch]

👀

[vocal knot]

been doing a thing

[solemn latch]

very shadcn

;p

[vocal knot]

LOL

i hate html and css too much to do it all KEKW

[solemn latch]

Super lazy solution.

https://v0.dev/

😄

https://i.imgur.com/jgmD3Is.png

[vocal knot]

lol

[solemn latch]

It even wrote the form action

or well, it can, I just forgot to include it in the prompt.

https://v0.dev/chat/shadcn-website-design-YhoPTchl52V

[vocal knot]

erm it forgot the add new feed

JK LOL

[solemn latch]

I never asked it for that 😄

[vocal knot]

ik LOL

[solemn latch]

Its so wild how much boilerplate doesnt have to be done manually anymore though.

If I just want to throw together a site for a personal project I will be using this 😄

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hidden gorge]

is there a reason why .gitignore wont ignore .env's?

[wheat mesa]

If the .env is already committed to the branch, then .gitignore will not ignore further changes made to the file

Is it already committed?

Also make sure your .env file is in the same directory as the gitignore, otherwise you need to specify the relative directory to it

[hidden gorge]

Ah, I didnt think about that thank you

[hidden gorge]

i also feel like this is redundant

[sharp geyser]

Why is it redundant

[proven lantern]

my api docs look so nice

[untold vortex]

how to add server in top.gg?

[deft wolf]

You can't anymore

[bitter granite]

-servers

[gilded plank]

@untold vortex

Servers have been removed as they were getting harder to moderate. For more info, please read: #announcements message

[frosty gale]

im not a fan of that argument there has to be another motive

thats like youtube removing comments because they cant moderate them properly

[deft wolf]

If you don't know what it's about, it's about money

It's possible that there were more and more NSFW servers advertising on top.gg and it was hard to moderate them

Advertisers probably didn't want to be advertised on a site with so much NSFW content

That's probably why you can't promote/mention NSFW content/functions in your bot description as well

[frosty gale]

that's true actually good point

im surprised the ad industry is that picky though considering more and more users are starting to use adblocks

not a fan of alienating an entire website just because some of the content has a possibility of being "inappropriate" by todays standards and that bar isn't very high

probably why youtube and almost all social media have gotten so soft you cant even criticise someone without being removed

[real rose]

Anyone who's submitted a server to Topgg knows that they never went through the same reviewal process as bots. So you could ultimately upload anything at the time

Now as for how many servers were published to Top.gg per week, I'm not certain if that's public but it's much higher than what bots ever were

And there were people uploading 10-15-20 servers all of the same concept

[delicate zephyr]

was never public but as someone who basically bombarded xig with server reports going through them weekly to try and help I found almost 150-200 nsfw servers per week

People like ignoring rules :^)

especially if there's no quick auto-flagging

[solemn latch]

AI Auto flagging when?!? ^-^

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

Didn't google's ai tell people to off themselves?

I think it was google, but I might be wrong

[solemn latch]

Honestly, if we ever brought servers back I think we would have to use some form of AI for flagging potentially rule breaking servers.

We could never keep up no matter how hard we tried.

The number of gateway servers was wild, hundreds per day

[sage bobcat]

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[frosty gale]

i think it knows something we dont

[sage bobcat]

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[ancient lily]

z

[wooden ember]

it was trained off data scraped from readit so wouldn't supprise me.

[deft wolf]

Readit?

[wooden ember]

readdit idk the spelling

meanwhile I have just clicked through a couple songs on youtube and gotten an ad for some henti mobile game and 4 for various dating/"hotsingles in your area" ads

if it wasn't for the 20 or so cool p[wople I watch on youtube i would just tell my dns ad block to block all google services too

anyway, not the rant I was intending to have, Just wanted to ask if i theoretically had a discord bot hosted on about 4 different systems or what not. Would I be able to have it so that when I command was run like !help only one responds? Im just thinking about having insane redundancy terms, no real other reason to do this but its an idea I had.

I know I could have something like "if last message content = the content thats gonna be sent dont send." That would mena that only the fastest bot would respond, but requires feedback from the discord api so in that time another faster instance could have meaningfully sent a repeated message.

[frosty gale]

reddit but yes

going to be harder to get training data from reddit now though since they banned scraping unless you pay them a lot of money

llm training and all they want a slice of it

[frosty gale]

if you mean having one bot run across multiple systems then yes discord lets you do that with sharding

you can split your bot across multiple systems with some synchronisation and discord will distribute the servers among them evenly

[deft wolf]

https://tenor.com/bo3K0.gif

[hidden gorge]

should i just make it a button?

-# im fixing the NaNms

[frosty gale]

still using reactions as buttons 🤮

[hidden gorge]

i got bored

[vocal knot]

you could also make it an ephemeral message

[hidden gorge]

am i doing something wrong? it works when make it react with the emoji but wont work in message

[vocal knot]

that's not how to send emojis one sec

[hidden gorge]

dumb discord formatted my own message

[hidden gorge]

i wasnt typing :loading:

[vocal knot]

it's like this <:name:id>

like this

ohhh

[hidden gorge]

yeah my message was auto formatted by discord...

its not working tho

[vocal knot]

try in the title field maybe

[neon leaf]

remove the \\

[vocal knot]

yeah or if you want \ before it do \\\\ i think

[neon leaf]

no

having a \ before an emoji escapes it

[vocal knot]

ik

but \\ escapew each other

[hidden gorge]

en still

even*

[vocal knot]

maybe upload a different app emoji and try with that jsut to see

[hidden gorge]

how would that

[vocal knot]

just to see if that works

[hidden gorge]

nope..

and doing this doesnt work either

 const loading = interaction.client.emojis.cache.get("1337894298615808133");

[vocal knot]

try await client.application.emojis.fetch()

that's how you get application emojis at least that's how i did it

[hidden gorge]

ok so i see them now

ok i got it work by doing this:

const loading = await interaction.client.application.emojis.fetch("1337894298615808133")

[vocal knot]

nice

[hidden gorge]

also is this a bad idea? it works

[wooden ember]

google didn't literally scrape no but they did buy all the data from them.

[hidden gorge]

i also found a way to make it easier to grab app emojis

mine uses something called a pcall so it looks a bit different

[wooden ember]

oh damn, never knew that sharding worked through multiple hosts too. Pretty interesting, thanks!

[vocal knot]

mine LOL

[hidden gorge]

dang

[hidden gorge]

i just based my pcall off the lua pcall

[lost forge]

Hey everyone, I'm submitting my Discord bot game to top.gg, but the reviewer keeps getting an 'Interaction failed' error when clicking an embed button. The bot has been running fine for over a month with active users. I've tested it in empty servers and had players test in their own servers and everything works. I can't seem to replicate the issue.

It seems related to an interaction timeout, but the reviewer says they clicked the button immediately after the embed appeared. I have the collector timeout set for 10 minutes, so it shouldn't be timing out that fast.

Has anyone encountered something similar or have ideas on what might be causing this?

[frosty gale]

yeah because essentially each shard is its own connection so you can basically connect from anywhere

you just need to make sure you have some kind of master host or server directing all of these shards otherwise you might run into problems

[frosty gale]

you probably have a bug somewhere or arent listening for the specific button correctly, discord is usually very reliable when it comes to delivering interaction events

setup lots of logs and try to replicate the bug they are seeing

[lost forge]

It's tough because there's not a lot of variables here. There's one command to run and one button to press. I've run that many times before, so have my players and have not been able to replicate it.

There's no required role permissions for slash command button interactions right?

[solemn latch]

Nope

I'd suggest replicating the test environment.

Create a new server, double check on the specified permissions are given to the everyone role, invite the bot with permissions=0

https://support.top.gg/support/solutions/articles/73000502501-how-the-bot-reviewal-process-works

[lost forge]

ah I see thanks!

Aw, still not replicating the error in a testing environment that matches what you have there. Only role my bot optionally needs is Manage Role.

[wooden ember]

Fair, though hqving q master defeats half the exercise since thats back to a single poibt of failure again.

[frosty gale]

i mean that would be assuming your goal isn't concurrency and more processing power

but it doesn't have to be that way, you just need to work out a system that will work in case a master server goes down

theres tons of different strategies that can be implemented, but the gist of it depends on how important synchronization between systems is to you

you can even choose to handle it extremely gracefully where workers will still continue to work and serve requests and refuse to process stuff that requires synchronization or communication with the master server, and then simply wait for it to go back online and maybe then choose to terminate if the master server is unresponsive for too long

backups as well where workers can fall back to connecting to a backup server if the first one isnt available

ive also seen "sort of" decentralized systems work extremely well, where one of the workers can be promoted to a master server, i think some databases use this approach

[wooden ember]

interesting, hadn't thought if it that way.

though its late here and I am not entirly able to think of anything at the moment lol

that and also my pc apparently needs attention https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/943697683485425704/1337934064509784206/20250208_234516.jpg?ex=67a93fb2&is=67a7ee32&hm=a8d236c539af03456bdcfd0850f05d466b7029209a90ede390ead4c0909f0c12&

not sure beamNG is supposed to look like that

[cyan basin]

hay! i have some questions about macro detection for users who farm economy commands. im using behavior-based tracking (timing consistency, reaction time, command looping, slightly randomized timing, session length, randomized input detection). are there better ways to detect macros without false positives?

or maybe more i could be missing?

[solemn latch]

If people macro they likely have multiple accounts. Looking for constant spikes of the same(or similar) users is a good one.

[lyric mountain]

title cant have emotes

nor footer

everything else can

[lyric mountain]

add some sort of captcha to appear sometimes

[cyan basin]

im trying to avoid using captchas to keep it as user friendly and not annoying as possible, but its still an idea

[lyric mountain]

Well, any slightly decent macro tool will make all other options futile

Using the timings won't work as they can always randomize delay between usages

[cyan basin]

i have it detecting those random delays over time

[lyric mountain]

But how do you differentiate between macros and users?

[cyan basin]

humanity score

[lyric mountain]

...?

[cyan basin]

lol

[lyric mountain]

Like, a randomized macro and a human have no different between eachother

[cyan basin]

they do

[lyric mountain]

Well, ig you could check total time spamming, as no human is gonna use commands for 8 hours

[cyan basin]

you cant tell instantly. but you can over time

[lyric mountain]

Don't think so

[cyan basin]

ok

thanks for your help

[hidden gorge]

Mine managed to have emotes

[lyric mountain]

Emote or emoji?

Emoji can be used, emotes can't

They always become text

[hidden gorge]

What's the difference???

[lyric mountain]

emote

😔 Emoji

The latter is an unicode character

The former is a discord thing

[hidden gorge]

Hmm

[lyric mountain]

The latter works cuz u can't reduce an emoji, they're what they are

\😔

Huh, they changed how escaping emojis work

Anyway, when you escape an emoji u get the emoji itself

When u escape an emote you get the name + id mention

Their implementation of embed for some reason disallows emotes in title or footer, but works everywhere else

[vocal knot]

wrong you actually can

[lyric mountain]

Huh, is it author that can't then?

[cyan basin]

what??? yes they can

jesus christ

[cyan basin]

this was a good idea, i added this and detection for feeder accounts aswell, do you have any other ideas? i think what i have now is good enough for 99.99% of user detection, just wanna make sure

[lyric mountain]

There are 2 fields in the embed that can't have emotes, one is the footer and the other I thought was the title

But it's probably author if they're working on titles

[cyan basin]

ok dood

just double check next time your helping people so you dont give false information and look like you dont know what your talking about

[lyric mountain]

Let's talk about overreacting

[cyan basin]

... everything you have said so far has been just plain wrong, i dont think thats overreacting

[lyric mountain]

Except that was the only wrong thing

[cyan basin]

hay im not going to argue with you, you win

[digital swan]

Footer author and field titles I believe

[digital swan]

I do something similar and captchas are the easiest way. Give them to people that are more likely / doing more commands.

[lyric mountain]

Idk why you're being so harsh after I said you can't detect macros through timing

Well, not harsh, there's probably a better word for that but I forgor

[cyan basin]

yes i know, captchas are the easiest, but im trying to avoid using them to make my bot as easy to use as possible

[cyan basin]

you can. please stop spreading misinformation please

[lyric mountain]

???

[digital swan]

Most people can figure out captchas

[cyan basin]

i said im not going to argue with you, just stop dood please and thank you. i asked for help, not an argument

[cyan basin]

i know 🙂 and itll be an easy add to my bot, but im going to do my best to avoid using them

i just dont want to use captchas

[digital swan]

Another easy ish way I’ve found cheaters is by seeing if they’re doing commands in different server / channel at the same time

Not impossible but highly unlikely if they have a high command consistency

[cyan basin]

yes that is a good way to, i have that as one of the detections to

[lyric mountain]

I know people who use multiple windows to farm stuff

They often leave the command pasted to use after cooldown is up

But well, in this case there oughta be a delay between each

[digital swan]

But at the end of the day captchas are the best tool. If you use your own website for them you can get a lot more data about when they clicked the link etc.

I had some guy using OCR to autostop if a captcha message popped up

[lyric mountain]

By captchas I meant in-discord methods, not sites

Like a scrabbled text image or buttons

[digital swan]

Are they not more easily completed by a bot

[cyan basin]

right now i have these: timing consistency check, reaction time , reward commands pattern , randomized timings , session based farming, exclusive farming, humanity score system, multi account sync farming, money transfer frequency, multi source money transfers, feeder account, and targeted farming

as detections

[digital swan]

Does it work?

[cyan basin]

yes

[digital swan]

Then what’s the issue

[cyan basin]

ive tried multiple different types of macros and its working good so far

[lyric mountain]

It depends, you can make it difficult enough for the OCR to read the text

[lyric mountain]

Did you try bypassing it?

[cyan basin]

i want to see if anyone else has other ideas for more detections, if im missing something, just want to make sure i have it good as possible

but the only one responding to me, is a dood telling me it wont work hahah

[lyric mountain]

...you really took it personal didn't you

[cyan basin]

[digital swan]

I mean he’s right

There’ll always be someone that beats it

There’s only so much you can do really

[cyan basin]

of course, its not perfect, i didnt say it would be

captchas would be the same

[lyric mountain]

There's also the issue of false positives

[cyan basin]

i just want to make sure i did the best i can

[lyric mountain]

The more strict you make a system, the higher the odds of punishing innocent users

[cyan basin]

i know

[pearl trail]

anyone has ever got into this error when starting flutter app? this happens everytime i changed my network, sleep my laptop, after some time, etc. the. way i fix it temporarily is flutter clean && flutter pub get which is kinda annoying since i waited a long time for xcode to build

[sharp geyser]

Reload project

[pearl trail]

hot reload?

[sharp geyser]

I think so yea

[pearl trail]

the app is not even loaded yet

[errant ore]

@jaunty wing

[stiff dust]

so you are using docker?

[vernal latch]

yes

(we use a server management panel to make our life easier, but yes everything is containerised

[wooden ember]

isn't using docker a bit over kill for a discord bot, especially just a custom instance for a server?

[wheat mesa]

Docker is perfect for something like this

Honestly since I learned a little bit of docker I don’t see why you wouldn’t use it for almost everything unless you’re on like embedded hardware

[sharp geyser]

even on embedded hardware its not the worst

docker is something that literally can run on anything

because of that its a lot easy to make stuff that can run on anything and not have to worry

[eternal osprey]

i have been trying to find a charting library for nodejs, for literally 2h already.

can't find shit....

[sharp geyser]

huh

theres so many

[eternal osprey]

all charting libs are specifically made for web

chartjs bro, i can't get this shit fucking loaded

[sharp geyser]

Whats going on

[eternal osprey]

let me show you an example

[wheat mesa]

if it looks weird you probably didn’t include the CSS or something

[eternal osprey]

Error [ERR_REQUIRE_ESM]: require() of ES Module

all i fucking want is to create a crypto chart using the chartjs financial library

BUT LITERALLY ALL LIBS TELL ME TO IMPORT

[wheat mesa]

Because you have to import an es module

[eternal osprey]

const { createCanvas } = require("canvas");
const fetch = require("node-fetch");
const { Chart } = require("chart.js");
const { FinancialChart } = require("chartjs-chart-financial");```

[eternal osprey]

i can't as i am not using it in a web interface.

I just created a simple nodejs interface, and want to generate an image using canvas.
Although no library supports fucking charts and nodejs for some reason bro.

[delicate zephyr]

Not really cause in most cases it can ensure you're running it the exact way it was intended. Docker can emulate almost all OS environments

like if you really wanted to theres an ubuntu 14 image

lol

[wheat mesa]

I don’t understand what you mean, nodejs is nodejs, there’s not a difference between nodejs “web interfaces” and what you’ve described afaik

You have to set your package.json type to module

To use es6 imports

[lament rock]

Node supports the import statement

To import esm packages, you must use the import statement

[eternal osprey]

huh

am i tweaking

like the whole chartjs is created for es6 imports, like for websites etc..

The require however is used in nodejs?

i can't combine chartjs and nodejs.

Like, mix requires and imports in one file..

[lament rock]

Yes you can.

[delicate zephyr]

You can

You can import es6 modukles in node

with require too

most of the time, and I mean most of the time depending on the module. You can do require('./module').default;

[tacit estuary]

Please tell me if this easy or hard to figure out because I have some guy struggling to understand this as well this next part when I get to it.

THEY KEPT PICKING 6 NUMBERS!

[earnest phoenix]

honestly sounds like a skill issue

though to their defense the emebed has way too much information

should put in bold/underline the most useful information

"Numbers picked" is kinda useless, they know what they picked as they sent it

[neon leaf]

finally working on more rust projects 🔥

[tacit estuary]

It shows ALL numbers picked in order. Overall, thank you. Planning on doing a complete redo of the game itself, but the game board has to stay which is the monofont looking part.

[earnest phoenix]

well yeah to be fair whoever reads has a big advantage, so for me it sounds like a skill issue from the user

if it's an isolated case, no need to worry much

[tacit estuary]

I only had a problem from that user. Like the instructions are made to be very clear and I even checked to make sure it was showing up correctly because you know I like to make sure the game is mobile friendly.

[earnest phoenix]

yea honestly someone that reads understands it

maybe just make it bold or something, especially for data that changes over time like the amount of numbers to give

not necessarily the first time for 6 numbers, but once it moves to 5 it would be nice

[pearl trail]

what does this error even referring to 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 i got it

i tried on different endpoint, it works, even with the same values. asn you can see the request above it, it works

[lament rock]

Should I accept this PR? It's incredibly cursed. https://github.com/AmandaDiscord/Heatsync/pull/5?a

[wooden ember]

see I would agree with that for when its one big bot that is hosted on a vps since if you change providers or what not then it can be easily set up anywhere. but for loads and loads of custom instances doing not much, the over head would probably use more system resouces than the actual bots do.

[wooden ember]

fair point, but as in the other message resource usage over head. Plus its a discord bot arent they already pretty dynamic in what they can be moved to and set up since most just run on python of javascript?

[earnest phoenix]

@radiant kraken you can't define private functions in a file in python?

[radiant kraken]

no

[earnest phoenix]

like a lib with a function that shouldn't be used by others

much pain

i'll just double underscore them lmao

[earnest phoenix]

not but like in a lib

no class whatsoever

[radiant kraken]

same thing

[earnest phoenix]

pain

[radiant kraken]

if you want functions then

i'm not sure it's possible

maybe you can exclude them in __init__.py, but never tried it tho

[earnest phoenix]

haven't seen anything

there's just that __all__

but that's when importing *

[radiant kraken]

is this private function only used in one file or used throughout the entire library?

[earnest phoenix]

i just have __init__

there i have one function which should be usable

and there is like 3 functions that are used by that function

oh and also another file using those 3 functions

[radiant kraken]

3 functions that are used by that function or 3 functions that use that function?

[earnest phoenix]

3 functions that are used

[eternal osprey]

hey guys.

So i want to request a chart view of a certain coin on my frontend.

I want my backend to be sending requests to the chart view frontend.

However, how am i possible to security such that only my backend can be sending the requests?

I was thinking about using maybe some sort of verification.. using private keys or something?

or maybe i can set my cors so such taht it only accepts requests from my site, but wouldn't people be able to ip spoof

[wheat mesa]

Isn't this the point of websockets? Do you need 2-way real-time communication?

Usually your backend isn't sending requests to your frontend

[lyric mountain]

private key would probably be the safest method

[wheat mesa]

Still seems like the wrong approach

I'd opt for websockets if you need 2-way comms

[lyric mountain]

oh, I mean to auth with the websocket

[wheat mesa]

Ah

[lyric mountain]

like, during handshake

[wheat mesa]

I thought you meant like sending HTTP requests from backend to frontend lol

[lyric mountain]

nah, that'd be awful to work with

[wheat mesa]

Which honestly wouldn't even be feasible for a client app without configuration due to port forwarding and firewalls and such

[covert silo]

how to fix application not respond

[lyric mountain]

either reply, edit or defer

[eternal osprey]

I basically have a telegram bot that is sending requests to my frontend.

My frontend then loads a chart view.

in reality, i may not even need this.

because all it does is display a chart for the users without any api usage.

[prime cliff]

Docker is a lot more than just "running a bot"

• The seperate environment means you can control packages and framework versions easily inside them and the container image itself can be swapped out for different versions with just an image name so you don't need to run a bunch of commands or worry about old version conflicts.

• Docker is also containerised so the network and file system can't access the host machine and can also have read-only file systems and mounted directories which is more secure.

• You can use docker apps like Poratainer to manage multiple servers and also monitor/health check those services.

• Docker also lets you set specific environment variables for that service and you can view the logs for it entirely or remote console without the need of running a bunch of screen or service commands.

It's a lot more flexible and secure especially if you're running multiple stuff.

[wooden ember]

I know what docker is, you miss my point. Because docker is more than just "running a bot" I was saying its a bit unnecessary unless you have a massive bot, or already have other things running on the host using docker so everything is nicely segmented.

personally even if i had a large bot it seems like too much hastle to deal with since I don't use it for anything else.

my segmentation comes from having everything run on its own dedicated pile of crap host.

lol

[solemn latch]

Docker isnt just segmentation.

I don't use docker much, that's mostly just me being lazy. If I was going to do things right I'd use containers no matter the scale.

[wooden ember]

I know but the main point is having the "thing" sandboxed and in its own area is the main featre advertised. easy management is just a bonus

[prime cliff]

Including all the other things i listed

[proven lantern]

i use docker to run dynamodb locally for testing

[wooden ember]

whats that?

[proven lantern]

it's an aws database

[prime cliff]

Why do you say that docker is a hassle anyway for a large bot?

[wooden ember]

that is the exact oposite of what i said lol

[prime cliff]

?

[wooden ember]

thats just me personally, but me initial comment was to the order of "I only think it makes sence to use docker with a large bot"

[proven lantern]

you dont need docker if you use an interaction endpoint instead of sockets

[wooden ember]

and then I added that I just wouldn't do that either

[wooden ember]

interaction endpoint?

that a new thing?

not really kept up with the times for the last while

[prime cliff]

It's much more preffered to run everything in docker even if you're running interaction endpoints because it's more secure.

[wooden ember]

never understood that thing

[proven lantern]

aws lambda probably uses docker for me

[solemn latch]

Yeah, lambda uses containers afaik

[prime cliff]

For example if a malicious package was installed all the damage is controlled in that container they would not have access to your host system

[wooden ember]

I mean true but thats only an issue if you are running the bot as root

if you run the bot as a user with no perms its pretty much the same

[solemn latch]

bad take imo

[prime cliff]

It's better safe to be sorry regardless if you run it as a regular user

[proven lantern]

hosting anything on your home computers is a security issue. just use the cloud

[prime cliff]

That's like saying normal windows users accounts can't do damage without admin xD

[wooden ember]

no its not.... normal windows users still have perms to do stuff

[prime cliff]

Exactly

[wooden ember]

like run programs and open files

I said a user with NO perms so the only thing it can do is tun just the bot and thats it

[prime cliff]

Hackers will take the chance to use those normal permissions to leverage more access or leave malware or access your local network devices

Using a container solves those issues

[solemn latch]

At that point you're spending just as much time isolating perms and files as you would be making a container 👀

[wooden ember]

I know that its not a perfect alturnative solution, the best aproche would be to have a properly configured host AND the software to be sandboxed

[prime cliff]

That's what containers are sandboxes

[proven lantern]

aws lambda

[solemn latch]

lol

[wooden ember]

prboably but at least its not using any more system resources or potentially introducing issues

[solemn latch]

stop attacking me with your logic.

😄

[prime cliff]

insert aws bad comment

[wooden ember]

lol

[proven lantern]

it even sandboxes your memory to 15 minute intervals

[prime cliff]

Wait what?

[wooden ember]

I've never used vps' so i cant comment on whats good or not there

[prime cliff]

Why do you need to sandbox memory for 15 mins xD

[wooden ember]

program runns very fast?

lol

[proven lantern]

the memory is cleared. no long living memory

The 15-minute limit for AWS Lambda is the maximum amount of time a Lambda function can run before it is forcefully terminated by AWS. This limit is configurable and can be set to any value between 1 second and 15 minutes

[wooden ember]

1 second

lol

[solemn latch]

ye, thats mostly single use instances

[wooden ember]

makes sence

[proven lantern]

most of my requests are <1s

[prime cliff]

That just means it's slower to startup though and that would also be bad for network sensitive apps like Discord bots xD

[proven lantern]

i use zig on aws lambda for fast cold starts

[solemn latch]

on interaction webhooks you dont have nearly as much network sensitivity

[wooden ember]

how do those work and what are they for?

[proven lantern]

when i used rust it was too slow so i switched to zig

[prime cliff]

It would still be enough of a difference rather than just paying $3-$5 flat out to run your bot with no limits

[solemn latch]

zero downtime is worth it though.

[proven lantern]

my api accepts 200,000+ requests per month and it's pennies

[prime cliff]

There isnt really any downtime if you choose a decent host that's not contabo

[prime cliff]

You're sacrificing performance though really in the end so not good for an api

[solemn latch]

performance? 👀

you get better performance.

your instance runs anywhere there's an aws server

[wooden ember]

bruh I just host my bot on my old raspberry pi

crazy to see the other end of the field where people are using enterprise stuff for the same thing

just bigger

[prime cliff]

You're only hitting 1 concurrent invocation at most

[wooden ember]

?

[proven lantern]

and 0 at least

with sub 500ms response times

[prime cliff]

Yea not really a good metric then xD

[proven lantern]

vps cant go to 0

[proven lantern]

how much does that pi cost to buy and run?

[wooden ember]

its a pi 2 I got for christmas like 10 years ago

[solemn latch]

does your lambda scale up automatically?

[wooden ember]

running cost? probably like 20 quid a year cuz the power in this country is unafordable