development

[pine willow]

1 min

[green kestrel]

what about a zombie

[pine willow]

It gets confused with zombies lmao

[solemn latch]

zombies confuse me too

Not the fault of the bot

[pine willow]

real

[deft wolf]

The next thing that comes to mind is the face of a ghost, but I remember this one meme about face recognition

[pine willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272126394746408998/1329871617869877388/detected_faces_1737136473298.jpg?ex=678beaf5&is=678a9975&hm=cb73e7081745fd6f5ac42aba0d46e8de2a7ecda62c1e996846771c32c69abc3a&=&format=webp

not bad actually

[pine willow]

dang

[cursive hare]

When I get developer betch

[pine willow]

oh lmao. I fixed that Issue

[pine willow]

It detected random objects

It doesnt anymore

[pine willow]

wdym?

You get it once your bot is approved

[deft wolf]

Emotion: fear is crazy

[pine willow]

lmao

[deft wolf]

I think the bot may have trouble distinguishing between fear and surprise (I have a problem with this myself)

[pine willow]

yea

The command is in Beta

I need to fix some stuff

And it thinks that kids are 30+ 💀

[vocal knot]

so a succubus/inccubus

[pine willow]

currently working on it that it detects dogs too lmfao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237166606560399381/1329970309989798042/landmarked_gif_1737159953636.gif

Videos work

[lament rock]

yep

The plan is to have either proxies or just a mesh of clients that are able to do requests sequentially

The proxies are backed by the same lib

[pearl trail]

did you respond with 200?

[vocal knot]

also if you make it do alot of stuff before sending the response it times out fast so it retries

[past rampart]

Never lol not when you keep cloning bots LOL

[cursive hare]

How are you @past rampart

[bitter granite]

Um.. Welp

[cursive hare]

@bitter granite please help he was talking screenshot and send to others server's

[bitter granite]

That does not break any rules thou

[cursive hare]

But he send all screenshots my personal question also

[bitter granite]

Since its public information
We cant do anything

Also this is a public server

[cursive hare]

I am not saying that this is public server but can i complaint to other server

[frosty gale]

for some reason when I import my self signed certificate as a trusted certificate, chromium browsers still treat it as untrusted when accessing my dev site using that certificate, any ideas?

i thought chromium browsers relied on the OS certificate store to determine if a certificate authority is valid or not

[solemn latch]

I think thats normal right?

self signed are for dev sites, CA is for production

[frosty gale]

but then importing and being able to use a self signed certificate in a browser is a common use case, especially in enterprises

besides i dont mind the untrusted error, but i cant use webauthn with an untrusted certificate error

maybe i need to make a self signed certificate authority first then sign a certificate and import the CA root certificate

ok got it working, apparently for browsers to trust the certificate you need to make an additional config file which specifies some algorithms & dns names when generating with openssl

[hidden gorge]

Just a little question i'm working redoing my website

V1 uses Var and is a normal file
but V2 uses Imports and is a module type

Is import a better idea?

[wheat mesa]

It’s just two different styles of importing modules. The latter is considered more modern, and works with ESM modules. The former is used with CJS modules, and is considered more outdated. Also, please don’t use var

[hidden gorge]

ok i wont use Var thank you

[wheat mesa]

Prefer let over var

And if you don’t reassign to the variable, use const

[sharp geyser]

SecurityTokenSignatureKeyNotFoundException: IDX10503: Signature validation failed. The token's kid is: '303223259816525826', but did not match any keys in TokenValidationParameters or Configuration. Keys tried: 'Microsoft.IdentityModel.Tokens.RsaSecurityKey, KeyId: '303110851060039682', InternalId: '0rYMURguPhZTOdUrzXjLG-OiFz7LQmqkg0JHaM5Ov4w'. , KeyId: 303110851060039682 '. Number of keys in TokenValidationParameters: '0'. Number of keys in Configuration: '1'. Exceptions caught: '[PII of type 'System.String' is hidden. For more details, see https://aka.ms/IdentityModel/PII.]'. token: '[PII of type 'Microsoft.IdentityModel.JsonWebTokens.JsonWebToken' is hidden. For more details, see https://aka.ms/IdentityModel/PII.]'. See https://aka.ms/IDX10503 for details.

What in the absolute fuck does this mean

💀

[prime cliff]

Asp.net uses data encryption for certain features and they store a key in the Data-Protection folder, maybe you're using docker or something is blocking if?

[sharp geyser]

Not at all

Not using docker

Im using dotnet watch

maybe that

Yea

I just had to restart dotnet

weird

[prime cliff]

User home folder DataProtection-Keys

[sharp geyser]

I fixed it

Seems it was a dotnet watch issue

Ive had a lot of problems with dotnet watch

[prime cliff]

Check your nuget package manager and see if any of these have a different version to each other if you have them installed.

Microsoft.IdentityModel.Tokens Microsoft.IdentityModel.JsonWebTokens Microsoft.IdentityModel.Protocols.OpenIdConnect.
Or all the identity model packages

[sharp geyser]

It seems to just be an issue with dotnet watch

I can't reproduce it other than when using dotnet watch

I seem to run into a predicament

I have a service that requires another service

Should I inject that service into this service, or make a new service that uses the both of em?

[eternal osprey]

hey guys genuine question here.

How does my structure look?
So the way i went to work, is i created several categories for several functionalities/features.

Idk never worked with something this categorized myself

not only that but i also mplemented each file as a class that i can create objects of. For some reason this just looked easier to manage, especially cuz now each request will generate a new object.

[wheat mesa]

Really depends on preference and/or project type

[sharp geyser]

Like my structure?

[small tangle]

I have my database related stuff in a separate project

And especially with DI i have an Abstractions project which contains all the interface types, so i can just reference this project when i need the types rather than a project with the implementations

[proven lantern]

how does my project structure look?

[wheat mesa]

Same, I keep my database models & dbctx in a separate csproj, then my services in a different project, and my controllers in a different project

[sharp geyser]

I didnt know how to set this upo

or I would of

still rather new to C# and DI

[proven lantern]

are you talking about dependency injection?

[sharp geyser]

yea

[proven lantern]

that's a great pattern

i'm doing that all over in my project

[sharp geyser]

JS and DI dont sound right

[proven lantern]

it's very nice

[sharp geyser]

I dont see any dependency injection there

[proven lantern]

load Commands does it

[pearl trail]

[proven lantern]

im moving from commonjs to esm so i put this into a function for now. i'll eventually use await import directly

[peak rune]

[small tangle]

thats how i structured it

[small tangle]

You simply add a "Class library" project with your DbContext and all db related stuff and reference this project in your blazor project (looking at your structure)
Then you can simply add your DbContext to your DI like this:

builder.Services.AddDbContextFactory<ApplicationDbContext>(options =>
    options.UseNpgsql(
        builder.Configuration.GetConnectionString("ApplicationContext")
    )
);

ApplicationDbContext resides in the Data project in my case

[pearl trail]

interesting, i can still able to access the files like normal if i separate my folders into different projects right?

[small tangle]

Wdym by "access the files like normal"?

[pearl trail]

is it like a whole separated project like different project in js? for example, i have bot and server project. can i have bot able to access classes and values in server, or not?

[small tangle]

ofc you can, you simply add a project reference and can access the types of the other project (ofc if the visibility modifier allows this)

In Rider you can right-click on the project name "Add" "Reference..." and just tick the project you want to reference

[pearl trail]

i see, thanks for the information!!

[small tangle]

Sure

i recently added Aspire to my project which is really nice bc you have this dashboard where you can access all your services (With the logs and traces) at one place

[pearl trail]

is that similar to portainer?

[small tangle]

i'd say its similar to portainer and docker desktop in that sense that you have a dashboard of your running containers. but on top of that you have also support for logs, traces and metrics builtin (at least with docker desktop im not aware of such feature)

[pearl trail]

oooo

[pearl trail]

lmao i was thinking "no way 16vcore with just $45", and i was right

[bitter granite]

rich

[quartz kindle]

you're no longer available

[pearl trail]

😭

[sharp geyser]

Thank you 🙏

Didnt know you can do that

This will make things so much more organized on our end

I can split stuff up into projects

[small tangle]

[merry patio]

hello

2 questions

1st, the blue line - how can I make just a thin black line here? & 2nd how do I even out the divs?

if no reply, ping. thanks

blue line is where section ends btw

      <section class="footer">
         <div>
            <h4>Contact Us</h4>
            <p>Tele: 01566 775543</p>
         </div>
         <div>
            <h4>Find Us</h4>
            <p>Location</p>
         </div>
         <div class="newsletter">
            <h4>Subscribe to our newsletter</h4>
            <p>For exclusive deals, upcoming events, tips & tricks & more</p>
            <input />
         </div>
      </section>```

[sharp geyser]

Hm, so im attempting this now, and it seems to cause duplicate code, which causes C# to see 2 of the same methods so it isn't "sure" which one to use

causing Ambiguous invocation errors

While I have an auth project, it seems to put the same code in the main project that references it

[small tangle]

huh why is there a MercatusWeb.Authentication folder inside the MercatusWeb project?

[sharp geyser]

No idea

it happened when I made a reference to it

[small tangle]

It appeared when you added the project reference of MercatusWeb.Authentication to the MercatusWeb project?

[sharp geyser]

yea

[small tangle]

that is really weird, shouldnt happen

[sharp geyser]

I clicked this on the MercatusWeb proj

[small tangle]

yea

[sharp geyser]

and then checked the box next to MercatusWeb.Authentication

and then the folder appeared

[small tangle]

you should delete the folder inside the MercatusWeb project

[sharp geyser]

if I do that

then the Authentication and Database projects dont load

[small tangle]

Are the namespaces of the files inside the MercatusWeb.Authentication correct? maybe thats causing issues

you can right-click the MercatusWeb.Authentication project -> refactor this -> Adjust namespaces in case

[sharp geyser]

No idea

All looks correct

[small tangle]

Rider should be able to figure the references out if they are missing

[sharp geyser]

Let me try this again

[small tangle]

When you look at the .csproj, is there the project reference?

[sharp geyser]

So I right click the solution, Add Project, then choose Class Library right?

[small tangle]

Yes, New Project, Class Library

[sharp geyser]

Soon as I create the project it gets added to the main one

💀

[small tangle]

What do you input here when adding a new project?

[sharp geyser]

MercatusWeb.Auth and the directory is the root dir for the project

C:/Users/dyeaa/Dev/MercatusWeb

[small tangle]

yea this seems correct

[sharp geyser]

maybe im just not cut out for having a clean workspace

World is out to get me

[small tangle]

Wait

Is your solution in the same directory as the MercatusWeb project?

[sharp geyser]

Yup

I always do that

[small tangle]

oh haha

[sharp geyser]

Dont tell me thats the problem

[small tangle]

the .sln should be one hierachy above

[sharp geyser]

Anyway I can fix this without making a new solution

[small tangle]

It should be like this

[small tangle]

you should be able to move the files in the file system and re-open the sln again in rider

[sharp geyser]

alright

time to

figure this shit out

The problem is

hi hi

messy ass folder

[pearl trail]

based

[sharp geyser]

Do I keep the docker stuff in the same path as the sln

idk

fuck me

[small tangle]

just yoink the MercatusWeb file and move it one hierachy up

that should be all you need

[pearl trail]

does rider use sln?

or just vs

[small tangle]

rider also uses it, you can see the type of MercatusWeb is SLN File

I think its just the way C# works, root .sln file and project .csproj files

[pearl trail]

yeah i figured it out, just wondering about sln file

[small tangle]

Sln lists all the sub-projects

With the path to their respective .csproj files which itself contains project-specific information like nuget or project dependencies

you can look at the contents of the sln file, if you click the dropdown next to solution and select file system, then you will see the .sln file

[small tangle]

whats the content of the docker stuff, if its like a docker compose to start the whole project with additional services, id move it to the root folder next to the .sln. if it just builds one sub-project as an image (e.g. the blazor project) id keep it inside the web project folder

[sharp geyser]

FROM mcr.microsoft.com/dotnet/aspnet:9.0 AS base
USER $APP_UID
WORKDIR /app
EXPOSE 8080
EXPOSE 8081

FROM mcr.microsoft.com/dotnet/sdk:9.0 AS build
ARG BUILD_CONFIGURATION=Release
WORKDIR /src
COPY ["MercatusWeb.csproj", "./"]
RUN dotnet restore "MercatusWeb.csproj"
COPY . .
WORKDIR "/src/"
RUN dotnet build "MercatusWeb.csproj" -c $BUILD_CONFIGURATION -o /app/build

FROM build AS publish
ARG BUILD_CONFIGURATION=Release
RUN dotnet publish "MercatusWeb.csproj" -c $BUILD_CONFIGURATION -o /app/publish /p:UseAppHost=false

FROM base AS final
WORKDIR /app
COPY --from=publish /app/publish .
ENTRYPOINT ["dotnet", "MercatusWeb.dll"]

Seems like it starts the blazor app

[small tangle]

yea

i think id keep that in the blazor project

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[small tangle]

did it work with the projects?

[sharp geyser]

no idea yet

I am starting over fresh

💀

[small tangle]

oh :/ didnt it work by just copying the .sln one fielder hierachy up?

[sharp geyser]

Not really

It caused a lot of reference errors

I didnt feel like dealing with

💀

[small tangle]

oh okay

[prime cliff]

Ah you're using docker itself to build and publish hu interesting

Usually you just publish straight from vs/rider

[sharp geyser]

Well

I decided to split up our ui components into its own project as well

seems like thats not a good idea if idk how blazor works fully

Scoped css files don't seem to get used

I have a navbar in my Shared project that I use in my Web project

The navbar font is not correct because the Navbar.razor.css file's styles aren't being applied

Omg

I fixed it

I needed to add <link rel="stylesheet" href="@Assets["Mercatus.Web.styles.css"]"> to my App.Razor

[shadow trellis]

Greetings devs, i'v been having some troubles to get the Privileged Intents approval, so I tried giving, screenshots, videos, and explaining my app functions and why the app needs the Server Members Intent and got denied 2 times, is there any tip I could get, I'm already at 80 servers and probably next week getting 100.

[lament rock]

If you've been denied twice then it's likely that they determined that your app either doesn't actually need the server members intent or the feature that requires it isn't a good enough reason to grant the privilege and you should reconsider your feature set

[shadow trellis]

I mean without it the function will become just garbage, and as for now I don't see any workaround on how to change the code to not use that privilege.

And it is a main function.

[vocal knot]

what intent is it and why do you need it

like for what functionality

[compact condor]

Heyo, idk if I may ask/post for this around here if not then say it and I remove it. But I just wanted to ask for opinions on my design for a dashboard of my bot and what I should add/change to it since this place is more for bots.

[shadow trellis]

Administrative Logs: Logs include detailed mentions (e.g., @username) for actions like forcing a logout, adjusting user time, or resetting categories. Without the intent, we’d only have user IDs, making logs harder for admins to read and use.

Role Verification: The bot checks user roles (even offline) to ensure only authorized users can execute specific commands. Without the intent, offline users’ roles can’t be verified, risking permission inconsistencies.

Forcing User Logout: Allows admins to log out users from a category while providing mentions in the confirmation/logs. Without the intent, only IDs can be logged, requiring manual lookups.

Active User Lists: Displays who is currently checked into a category. The intent allows fetching both online and offline users with mentions. Without it, the bot can only show IDs or online users.

Adjusting User Time: Admins can add or remove time for users in categories. With the intent, mentions are used for clarity; without it, only IDs can be shown.

Category Reset: Mentions all users affected by the reset in the logs. Without the intent, we’re stuck with IDs, reducing the clarity of the reset's impact.

Xlsx files data: When exporting the data as xlsx files no usernames will be shown and only IDs, this being inefficient and confusing for the bot purpose.

Without this intent, the bot would lose a lot of its usability, forcing admins to rely on IDs instead of mentions, which is inefficient and confusing. Many actions depend on offline user data (roles, names), and this functionality would be incomplete without the intent.

[wheat mesa]

This seems like it was copied from a template, it looks a little generic

[compact condor]

For my app I've send them a screen recording of the function with and without the intent and explained in a text how important it is for the bot snd the users. After some time I got them granted.

[compact condor]

damn it, I see what you mean now too.

[shadow trellis]

I've didn't tried to send them proofs of how will look with out it, but that's a good point I should try it.

[compact condor]

I have already some changes in mind, I'll make them tmrw and post the result here

[wheat mesa]

I mean, it is copied from a template is it not

[sharp geyser]

Guys, ima die if I cant figure out how to remove this annoying white outline around my already set outline

😠

[compact condor]

no it isn't copied, I came up with it myself 😅

[wheat mesa]

Why the HTML 5 logo?

Or bootstrap logo whatever it is

[compact condor]

Its a placeholder, I had the picture randomly in my download folder

[wheat mesa]

Ah

[compact condor]

its html5 👍

[compact condor]

  outline: none;
}```

maybe try this

[prime cliff]

Is that when you focus the the textbox?
Try input:focus and then either box-shadow: none border: none outline: none

[wheat mesa]

Try a different browser?

Could just be browser accessibility shenanigans

[sharp geyser]

Probably tbh

but thats annoying

[wheat mesa]

Or maybe you have an extension that doesn’t play nicely with your CSS like dark reader or something

[sharp geyser]

dark reader is disabled

Does it even on edge

So unless they both enforce the same thing then its a me issue

[wheat mesa]

ME is garbage (I know it’s better now but I hate it from the early days) just use a diff browser to check

[prime cliff]

Could just be a box-shadow that always gets ya

[sharp geyser]

I checked

and no its not a border, outline or a box shadow

[prime cliff]

In the browser inspect tab to the right there is a sub tabbed list one of them is computed css try find what it is

[sharp geyser]

I cant see what it is

Idk what to search for

[prime cliff]

Just focus the textbox then scroll through the list and see what light color is showing up

It's a good way to see what the active css of a component is especially font, compared to the standard entire list of css applied to it

[sharp geyser]

Its applying a white border

[prime cliff]

Yup there it is border color?

[sharp geyser]

but the issue is, im telling it not to

[prime cliff]

Just set it to none

[sharp geyser]

so wtf

[prime cliff]

Try border-bottom-color: none !important; or transparent or border-bottom: none !important;

[sharp geyser]

nope

[prime cliff]

Not even with !important?

[sharp geyser]

yup

[prime cliff]

How are you applying the css and is there a bottom css file overriding it or something

Maybe try search the project files for the rgb color?

[vocal knot]

as far as ik you don't need the intents for any of theses

[sharp geyser]

I am using tailwindcss

but even doing it myself nothing

[prime cliff]

Your custom css needs to be loaded after tailwind for it to override those styles

[sharp geyser]

its not custom css

I am using tailwind

to apply these styles

[prime cliff]

Maybe try explicitly doing a <input style="border: none !important;" />

[vocal knot]

my discord bot only uses theses 2 and it can fetch users no problem and not a single one enabled here

[sharp geyser]

Sadly nope

[prime cliff]

There's something very wrong with your project then if you can't seem to find or override what is doing that

[sharp geyser]

I give up at this point

Its stuck this way, no longer my problem 💀

[vocal knot]

try
all: initial;

[prime cliff]

Ok in the same computed tab click the arrow dropdown it should say what is apply the style

[vocal knot]

all: initial; resets the css for that element to initial

element/css selector

[sharp geyser]

See, I can do

input[type="search"]:focus {
    outline: none;
    box-shadow: none;
}

but then I cant apply a custom outline color

💀

[vocal knot]

try what i said: all: initial;

[sharp geyser]

Wouldn't that not solve the issue if it resets it to the defaults?

The defaults is that the white border is there

[vocal knot]

you put it as first in there then set the other css

so example

input[type="search"]:focus {
    all: initial;
    outline: whatever you want here;
}

[sharp geyser]

Yea no, i'd have to style all its original defaults

Not worth the effort

That resets it to a basic text field with some search attributes

Im not going to restyle everything

[vocal knot]

there's unset or inherit

as values for all:

[sharp geyser]

Im just going to leave it for now

its not super important

[sharp geyser]

Might i ask how you dynamically control what people can see based on auth status? I know of AuthorizeView, but that seems rather limiting that I can't use Authorized / NotAuthorized in nested html blocks

[vocal knot]

you could set
outline: none;
box-shadow: none;

to the values you want and use !important

[prime cliff]

They already tried that Wolf

Apparently none of that is working even if you explicitly override it which is weird

[sharp geyser]

Idk wtf is going on with it

but idrc rn

Its the least priority

I was just wondering if I could fix it right then and there

[vocal knot]

weird

have you tried normalize.css maybe?

@sharp geyser

[queen needle]

What are your tailwind styles? i've had similar issues with tailwind

[surreal sage]

ignore ping
was seeing messages from 3h ago

[pearl trail]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

it hit GC a lot processing it

what's the memory on the DO server?

[pearl trail]

16gb

tho it's idling at 10gb, maybe that's the reason(?)

[lyric mountain]

what are u doing that's filling 10gb??

but well, that's probably the cause of the large difference

[pearl trail]

p much sure it's cassandra too

[pearl trail]

yeah, mine got 32gb so kinda not fair

[lyric mountain]

right side spent 1.6 seconds doing garbage, so without hitting it'd take 18ms

oh java, did you try using zgc?

[pearl trail]

is that another java runtime ?

[lyric mountain]

gc

-XX:+UseZGC

[pearl trail]

oh, havent tried that

[lyric mountain]

it's a zero-latency gc, doesn't clean as much garbage as G1 but takes virtually no time to run

basically u use it when you want to trade cpu for speed, and G1 when you can afford higher latency to spare cpu

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jdk-17-g1gc-vs-zgc-usage-core-exchange-application-performance-raza

[pearl trail]

that's interesting, but it takes cpu quite a lot too

[lyric mountain]

I find it the best for APIs, where most of the time you'll be idle

the cpu impact is very small if your Xmx is lower

[pearl trail]

oh i see i see

[ionic minnow]

hi

With topgg API can get data for other bots? (i.e the same data which I get for my bot I want it for other bots)

[sage bobcat]

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[lyric mountain]

https://docs.top.gg/docs/API/bot

{
  "defAvatar": "6debd47ed13483642cf09e832ed0bc1b",
  "invite": "",
  "website": "https://discordbots.org",
  "support": "KYZsaFb",
  "github": "https://github.com/DiscordBotList/Luca",
  "longdesc": "Luca only works in the **Discord Bot List** server.    \r\nPrepend commands with the prefix `-` or `@Luca#1375`.    \r\n**Please refrain from using these commands in non testing channels.**\r\n- `botinfo @bot` Shows bot info, title redirects to site listing.\r\n- `bots @user`* Shows all bots of that user, includes bots in the queue.\r\n- `owner / -owners @bot`* Shows all owners of that bot.\r\n- `prefix @bot`* Shows the prefix of that bot.\r\n* Mobile friendly version exists. Just add `noembed` to the end of the command.\r\n",
  "shortdesc": "Luca is a bot for managing and informing members of the server",
  "prefix": "- or @Luca#1375",
  "clientid": "264811613708746752",
  "avatar": "7edcc4c6fbb0b23762455ca139f0e1c9",
  "id": "264811613708746752",
  "discriminator": "1375",
  "username": "Luca",
  "date": "2017-04-26T18:08:17.125Z",
  "server_count": 2,
  "shard_count": 1,
  "guilds": ["417723229721853963", "264445053596991498"],
  "shards": [],
  "monthlyPoints": 19,
  "points": 397,
  "certifiedBot": false,
  "owners": ["129908908096487424"],
  "tags": ["Moderation", "Role Management", "Logging"],
  "donatebotguildid": ""
}

all the data you can get from a request

[ionic minnow]

For not my bot i.e the bots which I haven't posted I want data of websites,server count,server member and so on
So can I get it all?Or I can get it only for my bot

[lyric mountain]

see the list above

[ionic minnow]

I saw this but I can't understand this that I can get only for my bot?

[lyric mountain]

it's for any (topgg) bot as long as u have the id

you can also get up to last 1000 voters and check whether someone voted

do note tho that rewarding people for voting on other bots is against topgg ToS

[ionic minnow]

So can you give me an code which get this data?
I'v tried a lot but it not gives me anything

and where I can find api ?

[lyric mountain]

I sent the link above

https://docs.top.gg/docs/API/bot

[wheat mesa]

If you can’t find the API, I’d imagine your claim of “trying a lot” of things isn’t true :p

[ionic minnow]

So can I do this with webhook token?

[lyric mountain]

...you dont need a token for any of those requests

[ionic minnow]

So for example can I get this all data for your bot?

[lyric mountain]

all that's listed there

[sharp geyser]

using Microsoft.JSInterop;

namespace Testing;

// This class provides an example of how JavaScript functionality can be wrapped
// in a .NET class for easy consumption. The associated JavaScript module is
// loaded on demand when first needed.
//
// This class can be registered as scoped DI service and then injected into Blazor
// components for use.

public class ExampleJsInterop : IAsyncDisposable
{
    private readonly Lazy<Task<IJSObjectReference>> moduleTask;

    public ExampleJsInterop(IJSRuntime jsRuntime)
    {
        moduleTask = new(() => jsRuntime.InvokeAsync<IJSObjectReference>(
            "import", "./_content/Testing/exampleJsInterop.js").AsTask());
    }

    public async ValueTask<string> Prompt(string message)
    {
        var module = await moduleTask.Value;
        return await module.InvokeAsync<string>("showPrompt", message);
    }

    public async ValueTask DisposeAsync()
    {
        if (moduleTask.IsValueCreated)
        {
            var module = await moduleTask.Value;
            await module.DisposeAsync();
        }
    }
}

So I saw this example code for wrapping IJSRuntime in a class, but I am wondering the practicality. I know in the top it says its for "easier" consumption and can be injected into the page with DI, but I am wondering why you'd need a class for this. Unless its to group up common interop methods together.

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lyric mountain]

if u prefer a table

[lyric mountain]

it's to group yeah, makes it easier to find the interop methods while also allowing instance reuse

[ionic minnow]

So with api can I find all bots for example in music category?

[compact condor]

@wheat mesa is it better now or still a lil generic/template like?

[lyric mountain]

no, you can only find by either ID or name actually idk, the docs arent very clear in what you can search for

what are you even trying to do?

[pearl trail]

lmao same thought, the endpoint is search, but there's no query to search. just filters and pagination

maybe veld will fix it on the new topgg later?

[small tangle]

new topgg?

bottomgg???

[bitter granite]

https://bottom.gg/ this?

[small tangle]

lmao

topgg should be rotated like this if you select australian english

[harsh aspen]

Cloud Server in New York $5.72 USD

Shared Intel Xeon CPU vCores: 4
RAM DDR4 ECC Registered (GB): 12
Primary High Availability SSD Storage (GB): 96
Guaranteed Internet Traffic: 20 TB
IP Addresses: 1

is that good chat?

[solemn latch]

What xeon? could be a 15 year old cpu. could be a brand new cpu.

[quartz kindle]

Pentium II Xeon 400

[spark flint]

no that sounds dodgy

12gb ram for $5 a month ??

[lament rock]

Honestly not a huge loss if it does suck. Just $5

Can always write a review somewhere

Contabo support sucks. Their uptime is subpar, but their machines are pretty good

Good for not uptime sensitive apps

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vocal knot]

if you want a real cheap VPS

{
      "url": "https://clients.desivps.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=127",
      "title": "Unmetered 4GB Christmas Sale",
      "specs": "4 CPU Cores\n4096 MB DDR3 RAM\n80 GB SSD Storage\nUnmetered Bandwidth\n1000Mbps Port\n1 Dedicated IPv4 Address\nVirtualizor Control Panel\nKVM Virtualization\nLinux OS Choices\n10Gbps DDoS Protection Now Included Free\nGFW Protection Up to 1 IP Change Per Month!",
      "price": "Annually:\n$39.99 USD"
    }

i've been using it for over 2 years now not the best but pretty cheap

[wheat mesa]

Too bad that for 99% of people here this is overkill

[vocal knot]

yeah

[remote cargo]

Agreed

[merry patio]

hello, any idea how js if ( (adults.textContent == 0 && children.textContent == 0) || (!adults.textContent && !children.textContent) ) { console.log('adults' + adults + ' children ' + children.textContent); formTitle.textContent = 'Double check your details are correct'; formSubTitle.textContent = 'Table for 0?'; } doesn't pick up the if there are any children/adults booked

when I console.log(adults)

[lyric mountain]

adults.textContent.size()

or length, I dont remember every lang uses a different word

better yet, do if (adults.textContent.size() + children.textContent.size() == 0)

[merry patio]

i dont think thats it

because its not even picking anything up

it should log as

i will send a codepen

https://codepen.io/OfficiallyLost/pen/MYgqpvB

[bitter granite]

Sus for the price

[pearl trail]

cpu steal more than 1 /j

[pearl trail]

wth, next ui is now rebranding to hero ui 💀

i thought i entered a troll domain/wrong library

[harsh aspen]

idk they were saying it is an offer, now it is gone. But I bought it. it is just 5$ /mo for these features lol

[harsh aspen]

this is the cpu, I don't have any idea if it is good or not.

[lyric mountain]

4 cores with 1 t/c at 2.10 GHz is quite bad

[covert gale]

that is from Q3'17

really old

[pearl trail]

check cpu steal by running top, see the "st" value

i wonder how much is it

[pearl trail]

dang that’s good

[sharp geyser]

                <Dropdown ActivatorText="World">
                    <DropdownItem>Hello</DropdownItem>
                </Dropdown>

I made a custom component in my blazor app

@inject IJSRuntime JsRuntime;

<div class="dropdown">
    @if(!string.IsNullOrEmpty(ActivatorText))
    {
        <button class="dropdown-button select-none" type="button" @onclick="ToggleDropdown">@ActivatorText</button>
    }
    
    @if (_hasDropdownItems)
    {
        <div class="dropdown-content">
            <CascadingValue Value="@this">
                @ChildContent
            </CascadingValue>
        </div>
    }
</div>

@code {
    [Parameter] public string? ActivatorText { get; set; }
    [Parameter] public required RenderFragment ChildContent { get; set; }

    private bool _hasDropdownItems;

    private async Task ToggleDropdown()
    {
        Console.WriteLine("I Work");
        await JsRuntime.InvokeVoidAsync("showMenu");
    }

    public void RegisterDropdownItem()
    {
        Console.WriteLine("DropdownItem added");
        _hasDropdownItems = true;
        StateHasChanged();
    }
}

<div class="dropdown-link">
    @ChildContent
</div>

@code {
    [CascadingParameter] public Dropdown? Parent { get; set; }
    [Parameter] public required RenderFragment ChildContent { get; set; }

    protected override void OnInitialized()
    {
        Parent?.RegisterDropdownItem();
    }

}

Seems like DropdownItem is never rendered, as RegisterDropdownItem is never called.

I have never made a component that takes in child components, so I am new to this

not to mention im using IJSRuntime for the first time, which also doesn't appear to be working

[prime cliff]

Nice yea creating your own blaxor components is a whole other experience

[queen needle]

oh wowzers

[proven lantern]

should i move my entire codebase into an npm module?

[earnest phoenix]

if you question it, probably not

[lament rock]

ive been using turbo repo for my js projects

[long marsh]

How do bot developers do "local" / server-based leaderboards?

For context, I have many users who want server-level leaderboards so that they can compete amongst themselves.

I don't track guild information at all in my schema. The only options I see:

1. List all members in a server + get them all from the database (ouch, seems impractical / resource heavy / bad use of rates)
2. Create a "click now" leaderboard thing where players can initiate their own blank leaderboard and ask people in their server to "click" it to add their score (seems weird, most wouldn't like having to do this)
3. Use the Application Authorized webhook, but it doesn't send events when the bot is removed ... and somehow track it then?
4. The first player that looks at a server leaderboard is the official one to "initiate" it ... then, after some time, the leaderboard backfills as people continuously play? This seems like the quickest solution, but would put major operational burden on my application.

I'm using DynamoDB (NoSQL) + Redis for leaderboards / cache

[pearl trail]

save user's progress on each guild, then get top x user by guild for local, and get top x user by summing each user's progress using group in sql then order it. that'd be my way

[long marsh]

Is there something I'm missing here?

[long marsh]

Got it. So you're saying that you wouldn't necessarily track a "total", but you'd get it via the sum of all the guilds / progress in them they used?

For performance, you'd likely have to create an index ... but yeah that checks out

[digital swan]

I personally just get a list of all users in the guild then do a query where userid is in that array

My bots not used by any huge servers so idk if there will be problems eventually

[neon leaf]

cursed

[pearl trail]

yes, for example:

SELECT 
    userid,
    SUM(progress) AS total_progress
FROM 
    table_name
GROUP BY 
    userid
ORDER BY 
    total_value DESC;

[long marsh]

Yeah, that makes sense. Too bad I'm using NoSQL lmao

[pearl trail]

ohhh

what are you using?

[long marsh]

DynamoDB

The database no one uses

[pearl trail]

i see

[long marsh]

It doesn't have this capability though – I'd have to scheme (pun intended) around it

It's super cheap at scale – it can handle millions of concurrent read/writes still at < $10.00 if your schema is solid.

[pearl trail]

whoa, that's cheap

[long marsh]

Only if you're schema is good though / you use it appropriately

But I guess the same can be said for SQL

• 0 overhead
• 0 infra maintenance
• Point in time recovery enabled as an option
• Can "stream" updates to be processed
• Will likely remain free for the first 12 month I use it
• No need to worry about read replicas / performance in that sense

But it comes at a cost:

• You need to know your access patterns ahead of time
• Your data looks like damn machine code
• You'll have to duplicate data a ton for certain paradigms

I use Redis as my leaderboard to reduce hot partitions for example.

But for use-cases like this, I may just simply opt-out because I won't have the technical ability to do so without substantial rewriting.

[solemn latch]

Wouldn't this be its own dataset?

IE, this should be separate table in your database anyway

Its not ideal, but when you already have a product and youre adding a feature like this its common to make this its own dataset.

[long marsh]

There are many considerations to take into account for this in DynamoDB. Yes, it would be its own access pattern – but would require me to store it for that.

I'd likely have to spin up a separate database just for this if I'm being honest.

A smallish SQL one

[lyric mountain]

was going to suggest mat views, but ur nosql

they're pretty decent for stuff like leaderboards where you can afford to update only a few times per day

[long marsh]

I could do a hybrid 🤷‍♂️. I can stream events from my DynamoDB table to populate data somewhere else. I can pass along the guild information ... but would be meh to handle

[lyric mountain]

I mean, if it serves anything postgres supports http requests

it also has cron

actually, couldn't u just store in a file?

dump the dynamo resultset into a file and only ever read from it

update said file once in a few hours

[long marsh]

Sore what to a file?

[lyric mountain]

query the data from the db -> format and order it as you wish -> dump that to a file using csv or smth -> read from that file whenever you'd show the data

basically a cache

[long marsh]

My problem is the first: I don't have an access pattern to query by guild from the data

I only store a couple of things:

• players
• groups
• group invites
• group members

haha

It's whatever at this point ... I may create a "compare" feature where people can see their rank amount up to 5 other people selected or something

[quartz kindle]

do you have any caching of guild members enabled at the discord library level?

[long marsh]

Negative – I'm purely HTTP interaction using discord types

Seems like a lot of memory to take on too, haha

[quartz kindle]

do you have the GUILD_MEMBERS intent enabled?

[quartz kindle]

if not, then you can use the guild member search endpoint and have the users search for the people to compare with by username, restricted within the guild

[long marsh]

I was likely just going to use the User Select dropdown menu – which handles that for me?

[quartz kindle]

if you use interactions, you can use the autocomplete feature to display a list of members as they type

[long marsh]

Yep, pure interactions for me

[quartz kindle]

yeah you can also do a user select by mention

[long marsh]

Thanks for your help! I still remember your work back in the day on discordjs light

Was helpful then – I saw it got added to discordjs. Well done.

[quartz kindle]

hahaha thanks, it didnt really get added, but they did change a few things once people started complaining about resource usage

they changed way too many things in djs14 so i stopped updating it

going libless is so much better anyway

[long marsh]

Agreed – just using types at a minimum is nice.

[lyric mountain]

nah, I'd rather own the libs

[long marsh]

My application does everything within the 3 seconds, so I don't even need to callback into discord for anything. It's pretty nice.

HTTP -> API -> return JSON

[quartz kindle]

thats nice except when the api shits on you for no reason

sometimes the interactions arrives after the 3 seconds already passed and you cant to anything about it

sometimes they refuse the callback until after the 3 seconds pass

it happens to me randomly lol

[shadow trellis]

How long should take for intent apply to get reviewed by discord?

[humble gyro]

there's no shot they'll charge you less than 10$ if you do a million concurrent reads or writes

Monthly write cost (Monthly): $1,642,500.00
Monthly read cost (Monthly): $164,250.00

if you actually want to run the db for a month with a million concurrent read and writes 😭

[lyric mountain]

damn, 1.6m

[humble gyro]

serverless is scary man

1 ddos and ur wallet is inverted

[wheat mesa]

I wonder how many times these serverless providers get a huge tax break from writing things off as a “loss” bc the customer didn’t pay

[lyric mountain]

wait, if it's 1.6m for 1m writes, doesn't that make it $1.64 per row?

[humble gyro]

its 1m concurrent requests for a month

so you would actually do like

a gazillion requests over the span of a month

[lyric mountain]

ah, right

30m reqs

[humble gyro]

no actual gazillion

1m concurrent means they all run at the same time, not per day

tbf it's still a cheap service with that pricing

[long marsh]

Ah shit - I didn’t mean concurrent … and I still got the calc wrong anyways lol

[humble gyro]

1m req is less than 10$ yea

[long marsh]

I meant millions per day

[humble gyro]

ahh kk

[long marsh]

Not concurrently running

My fault there lmao

[humble gyro]

fair enough then

[long marsh]

To support millions of requests per day on a SQL workload (obviously a lot of details are needed), but what would likely be the minimum compute for basic transactions?

Or is that just so broad of a question that it’s unanswerable?

[spark flint]

me with cloudflare d1

i got billed $50 this week because my db suddenly got loads of new data in

now i selfhost sqllite DB and ported the worker code into standard js

plus i do hourly backups of the db so it doesn't matter if anything happens

[humble gyro]

i hate

web dev

[spark flint]

real

im making a full website for my school project (even tho i don't actually need anything more than a prototype)

[long marsh]

Using DynamoDB with 12 concurrent reads / writes every second with data less than 1 kb - that’s over 1,000,000 writes / 1,000,000 reads per day

[spark flint]

and its a lot

oh i was doing 2800x the reads lol

[long marsh]

We’re talking $10/total monthly

[humble gyro]

[spark flint]

i'd still selfhost your own sql tbh

much cheaper

by far

and if you scale, theyre your limitation

[humble gyro]

depends

[long marsh]

You sure it’s worth the maintenance costs?

[humble gyro]

sounds like he solved scale

[neon leaf]

yeah

[spark flint]

as long as you backup data imo you'll be fine

[neon leaf]

selfhosted ftw

[humble gyro]

until it goes down

[long marsh]

Idk about all that - it comes at a cost lol

[neon leaf]

got postgres on 4 vps in 3 locations

need the speed

[long marsh]

DynamoDB surely will never go down

My wallet will go down first lmao

[humble gyro]

and u spend 4 hours re-creating your sql server vm lol

[long marsh]

Yep

[lyric mountain]

you run them on redundancy mode?

[neon leaf]

yes

[lyric mountain]

nice

[spark flint]

found it

[humble gyro]

redundency mode over different datacenters is insane

[neon leaf]

even if the master goes down, the 2nd db in eu can be repromoted to master

[spark flint]

thats what i do with my own microservice for a project of mine

i have the essential worker nodes running on 4 different servers in different datacenters with different providers

[humble gyro]

that's some real overengineering

[spark flint]

well if its receiving millions of requests a day

[long marsh]

At a minimum, I’d want a managed RDS solution - which would already cost me $15/mon upfront .. for the lowest tier

[neon leaf]

nah Ive gotten sick of cloudflare d1, and all other cloud sql solutions sucked

[spark flint]

one node used to crash on me and i'd have to wake up at stupid oclock to fix it, now it auto does it

[neon leaf]

so I just decided on this setup

[humble gyro]

what's the point of all the replication you're wasting on

keep ur db centralized

[spark flint]

it uses a hosted db

so replication isn't needed

[humble gyro]

can u post that in one message so i can star it

[spark flint]

😭

its worked well for 2 years

[humble gyro]

its ok

backups are replication too

[spark flint]

and a lot of the cost is offset by cloud providers liking me becauae of what the project is

i dont pay for cf load balancing with 4 nodes

i dont pay for 3/4 machines

[neon leaf]

I pay for all 4 vps but its very reasonable

~45€ for the entire project

[lyric mountain]

the server: on fire
the mirrors: inexistent
the backup: on the server
the mood: in shambles

[spark flint]

if i was to pay it would only be $15/month

[long marsh]

$12/mon for 100 reads/writes per second for dynamo db

[quartz kindle]

the testing: in production

[long marsh]

That’s like 8m requests per day read / write … for $12

[neon leaf]

oh yes

thats the most important part

need to test the infra yknow

[long marsh]

I do sacrifice queryability though

[quartz kindle]

meanwhile me with 3 months of unpushed changes

[spark flint]

lol

[neon leaf]

yeah idk if dynamo would survive my cursed queries

that are longer than actual code

[long marsh]

lol

[quartz kindle]

your queries are indeed cursed

[neon leaf]

wdym this totally isnt cursed https://github.com/mcjars/api/blob/main/src/api/routes/global/v2/build.ts#L42

[quartz kindle]

totally not cursed

[neon leaf]

thats on you for having tabs that are 8 spaces wide

:P

[quartz kindle]

thats still 18 fucking tabs in one line

[humble gyro]

ssd: I'͟d l̴͘i̷͟k͜e̸ ͢t̷͝o̶͞ ̷͘i̷͠n̴͜͝t̷roduc̸̡͝e̷̛͜ y̸͞͡o̷͜͝u to c͟o̵̡͞r̶rupt̡͟i̷on

[neon leaf]

🤫

[quartz kindle]

every day i work on my project i have to relearn it

in order to remember what i was doing

thats why its still unreleased after 5 years

[neon leaf]

everytime theres an issue with my query I sink 5k€ deeper into therapy costs

[long marsh]

Analysis paralysis eh?

Just release it.. screw it. Get initial feedback and improve from there

[quartz kindle]

dont get me started on therapy

i just started doing therapy 2 weeks ago lmao

but for other reasons, not coding reasons

[shadow trellis]

Greeting devs, does some know if past two days without a response from discord for my Intent application is it normal to take that time?

[quartz kindle]

no idea, but back in my time applications used to take up to 4 weeks lol

but afaik recently they are much more automated

i dont know what is the average waiting time, but consireding intents require human review, im guessing around a week or two

[shadow trellis]

I've send for now three intent applications, two got denied and it was like 15 minutes to get a response and now on the third time its getting two days?

[quartz kindle]

no idea

maybe they put you on timeout for too many attempts?

[shadow trellis]

Maybe could be that

[neon leaf]

may my code be cursed for all eternity

[shadow trellis]

I'll wait then

[quartz kindle]

omg

noob dev: uh cool code
pro dev: what the fuck

[neon leaf]

best part is this works amazingly

[deft wolf]

me: funny colors

[quartz kindle]

wait discord added zstd back again?

didnt they remove it years ago

[neon leaf]

https://pastes.dev/dsn3K0sEBU

[quartz kindle]

i aint reading all that

i just read the first two lines and wanted to puke

[neon leaf]

good

took me ~6h to write

[quartz kindle]

if i were to do it, it would take me 2 months

[neon leaf]

same

I have the advantage of being bored in school tho

[quartz kindle]

i have the disadvantage of being bored in life

so i do nothing but procrastinate

but im doing therapy now and my therapist is kicking my ass and making me do things

[lament rock]

I have the disadvantage

[long marsh]

On the flip side, I see this as an advantage 🙂

I have the opposite problem: I'm so busy that all I crave is being able to be bored.

[rugged dawn]

this

[prime cliff]

Much better

[quartz kindle]

lmao wtf

[solemn latch]

You made development ^-^

[quartz kindle]

thats my first time seeing that convo

lmao

[pine willow]

Approved

[proven lantern]

are we allowed to talk about ideas for monetizing our bots here?

[solemn latch]

I dont see why not.

[proven lantern]

my bot has an entitlement sku thingy and i'd want to go over the current offering and see if too many features are free or too many locked behind the paywall. but that might be advertising

[solemn latch]

tbh, if anyone on the mod team gives you a warning for that... I'll take the warning too ^-^

[proven lantern]

i dont get warnings

maybe because i dont have my DMs open

[tacit estuary]

What is the best way to deal with time in python/discord.py? I use datetime but I'm trying to do a check that would prevent a user from accessing certain data they created until 1 hour goes by.

Was hoping there was like a unit thing that was in seconds that can be used subtract the values from each other and then when time is displayed, it can be converted to normal time with date and all that.

[proven lantern]

from datetime import datetime, date, timedelta

# Get current date and time
now = datetime.now()
print(now)
tomorrow = now + timedelta(days=1)
next_week = now + timedelta(weeks=1)
print(tomorrow)
print(next_week)

[tacit estuary]

I can work with that... maybe. I'll do some tests.

Okay, I'm stuck again. The dates spit out looking like this

2025-01-23 21:34:23.214854
2025-01-23 22:34:23.214854

and like how would you go about doing a check to make sure one hour or whatever has went by? You can't subtract those two default dates from each other.

[proven lantern]

from datetime import datetime
date_string = "2025-01-23 21:34:23.214854"
date_obj = datetime.strptime(date_string, '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f')
print(date_obj)

[tacit estuary]

@client.command()
async def time(ctx):
    date_string = "2025-01-23 21:34:23.214854"
    date_obj = datetime.strptime(date_string, '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f')
    current = datetime.now()
    difference = current - date_obj
    print(type(difference))
    await ctx.send(difference)
    houred = "01:00:00.0"
    date_obj2 = datetime.strptime(houred, '%H:%M:%S.%f')
    if difference >= date_obj2:
        print("TrueA")
    else:
        print("FalseA")

This what I been experimenting with. Not even tested this out yet.

TypeError: '>=' not supported between instances of 'datetime.timedelta' and 'datetime.datetime'

I got it!

@client.command()
async def time(ctx):
    date_string = "2025-01-23 21:34:23.214854"
    date_obj = datetime.strptime(date_string, '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f')
    date_obj2 = date_obj + timedelta(hours=1)
    current = datetime.now()
    if current >= date_obj2:
        print("TrueA")
    else:
        print("FalseA")

I had to think about it differently.

[radiant kraken]

what is the date_string for?

what are you trying to achieve with the time command

[tacit estuary]

It serves no purpose. I kept it there to show me how to turn a date and time into a date type object instead of a str type object.

1: The users date and time is recorded plus other data.

2: User can not see their data until one hour goes by. <-- Basically trying to get this to happen.

[radiant kraken]

you could use a more object-free version by using the time module:```py
import time

current_timestamp = time.time()
next_hour = current_timestamp + 3600

if time.time() >= next_hour:
print('true')
else:
print('false')

saves a lot of overhead

[tacit estuary]

But can that be converted and shown as a date and time?

[radiant kraken]

yes

[tacit estuary]

Well, I will definitely look into that. Definitely looks simplified.

[radiant kraken]

from datetime import datetime

dt = datetime.fromtimestamp(time.time())

[tacit estuary]

Did you just shortened that long mess into only 2 letters?

[radiant kraken]

what do you mean by two letters?

i recommend you using datetime only if you want to format your timestamp to a readable string

[proven lantern]

from datetime import timedelta
timedelta is a neat package too

[radiant kraken]

you would rarely want to use timedelta imo

i love using numbers more

[lyric mountain]

epoch timestamps have much more flexibility than objects yeah

[lament rock]

every time I have to edit my blender 3D python scripts, I'm reminded how much I dislike py syntax

[radiant kraken]

unbased

python syntax is peak

[wheat mesa]

Python syntax is horrific and should be brought behind a shed to be shot

[radiant kraken]

rare waffle L

hot take but python syntax is simplistic yet beautiful

i love their use of indentation

you should have no problem with indentation unless you code in like notepad

[bitter granite]

Common null win

[wheat mesa]

I absolutely despise the lack of brackets and parentheses

Whitespace controlling scope is a terrifying idea

[bitter granite]

Would be but atleast if you are in uni group project
atleast the project is gonna be readable

few semester ago... my teamate code is a hot mess
some function are one liner

[wheat mesa]

Set up a linter

[lyric mountain]

it's just a turing-complete yaml

[radiant kraken]

i am a huge } hater

i hate ```
}
}
}
}
}
}

[lyric mountain]

(for python) ```
​
​
​
​
​
​

[pearl trail]

🤢

[wheat mesa]

If your scope is that deeply nested, you have some other issues to solve :p

[radiant kraken]

well actually you don't need any line 🤓☝️

[craggy pine]

https://github.com/mathialo/bython

[quartz kindle]

byethon

[carmine root]

hello how to put your site here on our bot's page?

[lyric mountain]

iframe

<iframe src="your site url"></iframe>

[carmine root]

thx

[tacit estuary]

Strong yes! I seen the other ones that uses brackets. Looks awful on the eyes.

[tacit estuary]

That looks so bad.

[solemn latch]

My SQL looks like this but its joins ;p

join join join

I'm a time traveler.
https://i.imgur.com/fPbiwPZ.png

[queen needle]

In a programming language, where is something like string templating done? Right now I have my lexer done and am working on finishing my parser, and I just got strings done, and was wondering does it happen here, or does it happen in the interpreter? I assume interpreter to make sure the variable used is valid but I am unsure

and to add onto that, is the interpreter also where duplicate variable errors are thrown

or object key errors and such

[lament rock]

I find it frustratingly hard to understand where a scope is in the grand scheme of things without scrolling up as my brain is way more trained to recognize closing braces in literally every other language I worked with

[wheat mesa]

This happens as a part of expression evaluation. Templating usually accepts a statement, and therefore it cannot be processed at the Lexing or parsing step in most cases. The closest you can get to doing it ahead of time is if the entire expression can be optimized by constant folding

Duplicate variable errors are generally thrown in the semantic analysis phase, which is done after parsing. It’s “optional”, but highly recommended to detect semantic errors before running any code

[queen needle]

ohh so it's the interpreter or am i missing a step

I thought it went

source -> lexer -> parser -> interpreter

[wheat mesa]

Interpreter

[queen needle]

would this be something I just throw after that parser which looks through though the AST for duplicates?

[wheat mesa]

There is usually more steps between parsing and interpreting

[queen needle]

I've been trying to read about top descent recursive parsers(or whatever the name is) all day, but am still slightly confused on a lot of what the articles i've read mean

[wheat mesa]

Yes, there is usually a semantic analysis phase where you look at the AST for typechecking, making sure variable names exist, checking scope, etc.

Recursive descent parsers?

[queen needle]

Yes

i keep thinking top down because there are top down and bottom up parsers

[wheat mesa]

Recursive descent is a top down parser

There are bottom up parsers but those are usually more complex to roll by hand

[queen needle]

I had already dealt with top down in the past that's why I was going to stick with it

[wheat mesa]

There’s a whole bunch of theory behind it, but basically you have sets of “terminals” and “nonterminals”

Terminals being literals that are the simplest form of a syntactic structure

Nonterminals being collections of other nonterminals and/or terminals

[queen needle]

Can you give an example?

[wheat mesa]

Sure

[queen needle]

In a video I watched that was mentioned but I could have sworn I saw him say ( for both terminal and non terminal

[wheat mesa]

<Expression> ::= <Term> "+" <Expression> | <Term>
<Term> ::= <Factor> "*" <Term> | <Factor>
<Factor> ::= "(" <Expression> ")" | "number"

Expression, term, and factor are “nonterminals”

The symbols you see in quotes are terminals, e.g. literal symbols

[queen needle]

ohh

[wheat mesa]

But this is how you would formally define language grammars

[queen needle]

Okay, so if I am not following that I don't technically have a Recursive descent parser

[wheat mesa]

And it’s very useful to have this definition for recursive descent

That’s not necessarily true

[queen needle]

parse(): Program {
    const program: Program = {
      kind: "Program",
      start: 0,
      end: this.column,
      body: [],
    };

    while (this.not_eof()) {
      program.body.push(this.parse_stmt());
    }

    return program;
  }

  private parse_stmt(): Stmt {
    switch (this.at().type) {
      case TokenType.DEF:
        return this.parse_define();
      default:
        throw new Error(`Unexpected token type: ${this.at().type}`);
    }
  }
``` this is the "main" logic behind my parser rn(don't say anything about this being in typescript, i want to write it in a language i know well first)

[wheat mesa]

The main issue with recursive descent is that it is incapable of parsing Left Recursive grammars, hence why many grammars avoid left recursion for this reason

[wheat mesa]

This is recursive descent

It is also important to note the distinction between expressions and statements

Expressions return a value of some sort, statements are standalone units that “do” something (usually)

[queen needle]

so a statements are variables, numbers, strings, expressions are functions?

[wheat mesa]

No, numbers and strings are expressions. The value they “return” are themselves

[queen needle]

ohh

booleans are expressions too then

but functions and variables aren't

[wheat mesa]

Yes

Exactly

Think about it like this, if you can assign it to a variable, it’s an expression. If you can’t, it’s probably a statement

[queen needle]

private parse_statement(): Statement {
    switch (this.at().type) {
      case TokenType.DEF:
        return this.parse_define();
      default:
        throw new Error(`Unexpected token type: ${this.at().type}`);
    }
  }```

```ts
private parse_define(): Statement {
    this.eat();
    const identifier = this.expect(
      TokenType.IDENTIFIER,
      'Variable name expected following "define" statement.'
    ).value;

    const value = this.parse_expression();
  
    const declaration = {
      kind: "DefineDeclaration",
      value,
      identifier,
    } as DefineDeclaration;
    return declaration;
  }```

```ts
private parse_expression(): Expr {
    switch (this.at().type) {
      case TokenType.INTEGER:
      case TokenType.FLOAT:
        return this.parse_number();
      case TokenType.STRING:
        return this.parse_string();
      default:
        throw new Error(
          `Unexpected token type in expression: ${this.at().type}`
        );
    }
  }```

so then this logic goes with that

(i removed the error checking from the define just for the sake of sending in discord)

[wheat mesa]

Seems about right

If you’d like to look at a language that handles ASTs very elegantly, I’d look into making your language in Rust. They have very powerful enums

[queen needle]

Now i am just struggling about like booleans, because js let x = true; has a boolean value, but so does js let x = (y && z); I know that there are the left right and operator but I am not quite sure about how that should work, in relation to my current format

[wheat mesa]

Yes, true is an expression and so is (y && z)

[queen needle]

I want to eventually, but I don't know rust well enough, now I could spend time learning it then revisit this prokject but

[wheat mesa]

True is a Literal, y && x is a BinaryExpr with a left value of a VariableGet an operator of AND and a right value of VariableGet

[wheat mesa]

Also, I highly recommend reading Crafting Interpreters

It’s free and online

[queen needle]

I have astexplorer.net open and see how javascript does it

[wheat mesa]

I wouldn’t look at an existing language, since it might be a bit overwhelming

[queen needle]

This is fair

[wheat mesa]

Understand the fundamentals first by following along with crafting interpreters or another resource of your choice. Language grammar is a very theory heavy subject and there is a lot to learn

Start with something simple like a math expression parser

[queen needle]

https://app.codecrafters.io/courses/interpreter/overview ?

[wheat mesa]

Try to get precedence working then maybe add more things like boolean logic expressions, etc

[wheat mesa]

This is someone making a course out of the book ig

[queen needle]

https://craftinginterpreters.com/

[wheat mesa]

I’d recommend just reading the original book. It shows every line of code and explains things very nicely

Yes

That one

[queen needle]

Awesome

Thank you

Just thinking about it though, for those boolean expressions, and for variables in general, do I just peek at what the character is, i.e [ I know it's an array and I handle the accordingly, or { I know it's an object and handle that accordingly, or " string but then parenthesis ( I handle because it could be boolean expression or math expression?

[wheat mesa]

This is going to come down to how your grammar is defined. For the case of parenthesis, usually you peek if it’s a open parenthesis, then recursively parse the inner expression

A well planned grammar usually only needs one token of lookahead, though there may be cases where you need 2+

[queen needle]

everytime I try and think about the parser my brain just melts, the lexer was easy, because it's like, i have variable parsing working def x = 5; parses but if i type just 5; or 5 it errors, now i know that's because I don't handle those yet but still

[wheat mesa]

Your lexer should not care about if something is semantically correct. It should only care about parsing keywords and literals and identifiers etc into tokens

Lexing is entirely separate from parsing

5; should not error in your lexer

[queen needle]

I meant from my parser

[wheat mesa]

It should produce
[NUMBER(5), SEMI]

[queen needle]

my lexer works great (for a little while it couldn't handle mutiline inputs, i was being stupid)

[
  Token {
    value: '5',
    type: 0,
    position: Position { line: 1, column: 1 }
  },
  Token {
    value: ';',
    type: 21,
    position: Position { line: 1, column: 2 }
  },
  Token {
    value: '',
    type: 48,
    position: Position { line: 1, column: 2 }
  }
]```

for that of 5;

[wheat mesa]

Also 5; should not error in your parser

That’s something that should error in the semantic analysis phase (or maybe not, depending on whether or not you want to allow that)

[queen needle]

private parse_statement(): Statement {
    switch (this.at().type) {
      case TokenType.DEF:
        return this.parse_define();
      default:
        throw new Error(`Unexpected token type: ${this.at().type}`);
    }
  }```

it errors because I only check variable creation rn

[wheat mesa]

Parsing is transforming any valid grammar into a tree. Grammar does not necessarily mean that the actual meaning of the tree is valid, but rather that it abides by the defined grammar of the language

Here is a parser for basic math expressions I wrote in rust a long time ago: https://github.com/Jwaffled/math_parser_rs/blob/master/src/parser.rs

[queen needle]

I remember you had one in C#

[wheat mesa]

Hopefully it’s not too difficult to understand even if you don’t know rust

I do as well, I’ll send that

[queen needle]

I've looked at the C# one before, when I made a math parser in the past

[wheat mesa]

https://github.com/Jwaffled/MathExpressionParsing/blob/master/MathExpressionParsing/Core/Parser.cs

I highly recommend defining a formal grammar for your language before attempting to make the parser for it. It’s very difficult without it

[queen needle]

as in like, how I want it all to look in use?

I know how I want it all to be used

[wheat mesa]

No, the regular expression grammar for it

[queen needle]

Similar to what you showed earlier?

[wheat mesa]

Crafting Interpreters shows you how to define one

Yeah like that one from earlier

[queen needle]

ohh so for your math parser(rust) you assume there is always a operator and right term?

[wheat mesa]

No, even a blank number should work (iirc)

[queen needle]

how so?

[vital mirage]

Why is the capital version of my bots username unavailable wtf, it says add . or _, but lowercase is just fine

[wheat mesa]

It is a baseline expression. A literal.

The “return” value of 5 is 5

[queen needle]

Then i must be a bit lost in the logic

[wheat mesa]

It helps to understand when you’ve defined the formal logic. An expression can be in many forms. A literal is an expression, a BinaryExpr is an expression that takes a left hand side Expression, an operator, and a right hand side Expression. A UnaryExpr is an expression, etc.

[queen needle]

Well i see it parsing terms but i only see it parsing additive terms

orfactor terms

i don't see where it returns just a number

[wheat mesa]

In which one? The rust one?

[queen needle]

yes

[wheat mesa]

https://github.com/Jwaffled/math_parser_rs/blob/df1a43ce6b9e8a669fecb6f9d23d3aa28b347a98/src/parser.rs#L126

[queen needle]

Oh so you calllogic binary, which calls term, which calls factor, which calls power, which callsunary, which is where primary is called which has that

[wheat mesa]

Yup

[queen needle]

how does that work? like why do you call them in that order?

[wheat mesa]

Precedence

[queen needle]

how does that precedence translate to a normal language?

[wheat mesa]

Primary has highest precedence (since obv you want to parse a literal before parsing the expression its a part of)

Unary next (e.g. 3 + -5 should return -2 and not an error)

Power next (3^2 + -5 should return 4)

Etc.

[queen needle]

hmm

there's this language code im looking it ts switch (this.at().type) { case TokenType.Let: case TokenType.Const: return this.parse_var_declaration(); case TokenType.Fn: return this.parse_function_declaration(); case TokenType.If: return this.parse_if_statement(); case TokenType.For: return this.parse_for_statement(); case TokenType.NewLine: this.at(); return this.parse_stmt(); default: return this.parse_expr(); }

And now it makes way more sense

[wheat mesa]

Yeah. You can have a stmt containing an expression

That's why rust enums are so nice for this, they can have inner values

Tagged unions are beautiful

[queen needle]

private parse_expr(): Expr {
    const data = this.parse_assignment_expr();

    if (this.at().type == TokenType.Ternary) {
      if (data.kind != "BinaryExpr" && data.kind != "Identifier") {
        throw new Error(
          "Expected BinaryExpr or Identifier following ternary expression."
        );
      }
      this.eat();

      const expr = this.parse_expr();

      if (expr.kind != "BinaryExpr" || (expr as BinaryExpr).operator != "|") {
        throw new Error(
          'Bar ("|") expected following left side of ternary operator ("->").'
        );
      }

      const ifStmt = {
        kind: "IfStatement",
        test: data,
        body: [(expr as BinaryExpr).left],
        alternate: [(expr as BinaryExpr).right],
      } as IfStatement;
      return {
        kind: "CallExpr",
        args: [],
        caller: {
          kind: "FunctionDeclaration",
          parameters: [],
          name: "<anonymous>",
          body: [ifStmt],
        } as FunctionDeclaration,
      } as CallExpr;
    }

    return data;
  }```

from that same code, that also explans this

and why it does it like that

[wheat mesa]

Yes

This looks questionable in terms of quality though

Telling kind based on a string instead of enum

Kinda ugly

[queen needle]

I am using that code as a refrence but am not using it exactly

I don't do that

[wheat mesa]

In rust you can do beautiful things like so

enum Expr {
    Literal(LiteralValue)
    BinaryExpr(Box<Expr>, BinOp, Box<Expr>)
    UnaryExpr(UnaryOp, Box<Expr>)
    // etc...
}

enum LiteralValue {
    String(String)
    Integer(i32)
    Float(f32)
    // etc...
}

enum BinOp {
    Plus,
    Minus,
    Star,
    Slash
}

enum UnaryOp {
    Bang,
    Negate
}

[queen needle]

I was using it for help with the implementation of the parser

oh that is nice

[wheat mesa]

Recursive enum definition makes ASTs super easy to type out

[queen needle]

export enum TokenType {
    INTEGER,
    FLOAT,
    STRING,
    BOOLEAN,
    IDENTIFIER,
  
    DEF,
    FN,
    FOR,
    WHILE,
    IF,
    ELSE,
    ELSE_IF,
    IMPORT,
    GLOBAL,
  
    LPAREN,
    RPAREN,
    LBRACKET,
    RBRACKET,
    LBRACE,
    RBRACE,
    COLON,
    SEMICOLON,
    COMMA,

  
    ADD,
    SUBTRACT,
    MULTIPLY,
    DIVIDE,
    POWER,
    MODULO,
    EQUALS,
    PLUS_EQUALS,
    MINUS_EQUALS,
    MULTIPLY_EQUALS,
    DIVIDE_EQUALS,
  
    GREATER,
    LESS,
    GREATER_EQUALS,
    LESS_EQUALS,
    AND,
    OR,
    DOT,
    RANGE,
    ARROW,
  
    RETURN,
  
    COMPARE_EQUALS,
    NOT_EQUALS,
  
    UNKNOWN,
    NEWLINE,
  
    EOF,
  }```

I have this lmao

[wheat mesa]

And you can do things like so: ```rs
match someExpression {
BinaryExpr(lhs, op, rhs) => interpret_binary(lhs, op, rhs)
// ...
}

[queen needle]

that's nice

[covert gale]

yeah it's really nice

[radiant kraken]

rust my beloved

[covert gale]

[pearl trail]

huh, am i trippin' or what

i am indeed

[pearl trail]

heck yeah thanks rider for not letting me know that "Apply Changes" button i pressed didn't actually hot reload the program, so what i did for the past 15 minutes has no effect at all

[tulip ledge]

just implement an interpret trait for token?

ehh I guess you still have to match inside

nvm I guess

[tulip ledge]

I'm writing a book on making a compiler and I talk about BNF (the way to formally define grammars) and about lexical analysis and parser combinators if you're interested I can send you a draft

[queen needle]

I would love thet

[frosty gale]

traits or something idk

i have yet to make my first trait in rust

[tulip ledge]

what how

traits are amazing

[scenic kelp]

i see lang dev talk up there 😈

[scenic kelp]

second this notion but with any language that has unions in general

if you know typescript you can achieve much the same

[frosty gale]

dont think ive encountered a use case yet where they would be helpful

ive come from c/c++ so i usually write my code around the cool new features languages have lol

also prefer as little runtime supported features as possible

[tulip ledge]

I'm gonna be honest, then you've probably not written much rust code

[scenic kelp]

you can write a lot of code without ever needing to use traits

just like you can write a lot of code without ever needing inheritance

[wheat mesa]

I try to avoid writing traits most of the time. I find that writing code with traits leads me down a questionable path of trying to implement polymorphism in rust, which is not something rust excels at

[frosty gale]

the only rust code ive written is a serious full stack app that im still working on but thats about it lmao

the only traits i really use are derived ones from libraries or whatever like debug, serde, etc

this just looks like templating in c++

another feature i dont use often, only for things like implementing hashmaps from scratch though where you want to be able to take in strings, ints, complex types etc without copy and pasting for each different type

[vocal knot]

hmmm

[quartz kindle]

wat

[deft wolf]

It's a normal thing, people often bypass bot limits per server this way

[zinc aspen]

@shell echo prefix

[bitter granite]

Hate it when bot gives like 3 command limit a day per server... So annoying to test it

[pine willow]

Why do they do that at all???

I would instantly kick the bot and never use it again lmao

[deft wolf]

Probably limits related to a free API or something

[pine willow]

At this point dont make it public.

[bitter granite]

i doubt

it was a normal kick/ban/mute

[pine willow]

💀

[bitter granite]

wants u to pay premium

[deft wolf]

[pine willow]

for kick/mute/ban??

[bitter granite]

most of the time i tested those kind of bot, its server id locked

[bitter granite]

Core command, most of the cmd is just avarage multipurpose

[pine willow]

lmfao

All my bots are free2use unless some Premium features (High detailed AI Image generation etc)

[bitter granite]

so freemium?

[pine willow]

yes

Free users have no limits on free features, but they are limited in that they cannot access the best AI image generation models.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-on-fire-sitting-edited-on-fire-fire-gif-17645117

[vocal knot]

oof

my bot only limits to now 6 different blusky account per server why would someone need 48 bluesky account LOL

[bitter granite]

i know why would anyone want it

like for example csgo server

and they want to get notif from alot of streammer/profile

or maybe each country has each accounta like valorant

[vocal knot]

maybe

[vocal knot]

also why create 8 servers to add the bot to instead of asking bot owner if there's a way LOL

[sharp geyser]

PS C:\Users\dyeaa\Dev\Mercatus> npx tailwindcss
npm error could not determine executable to run

wtf does this mean

Does npx not install it if it doesn't exist

[vocal knot]

probably npm corruptrd install i'd assume

[sharp geyser]

I only use npm for tailwind

so I somehow doubt that unless they pushed a bad update

[vocal knot]

or the package name could wrong idk never got that error

I'd check but cat is laying on me lol

[sharp geyser]

I see

so v4 is different now apparently

No longer do you use a tailwindcss.config.js file

Which sucks for me

[vocal knot]

tailwind doc updated very recently

[sharp geyser]

.btn {
    @apply border-solid border-2 border-gray-200;
}

Seems like the resulting css is empty

Is this not how you apply tailwind attributes to a css class?

[pearl trail]

just to make sure, you indeed imported the tailwind right?

@tailwind base; 
@tailwind components; 
@tailwind utilities; 
``` because that apply should work

[sharp geyser]

I guess because I wasn't using it in the file that used the tailwind directives it wont

[small tangle]

Are the css utilities shipped with mudblazor insufficient or why do you use tailwind for the styling?

[uncut nexus]

Promocode

[real rose]

Hi

[frosty gale]

at this point just write normal css 😭 🙏

.btn {
  border: solid; border-width: 2; border-color: gray;
}

[pearl trail]

lmao

[frosty gale]

or even better

.btn {
  border: 2px solid gray;
}

although id argue first is more readable

[sharp geyser]

On fucking god

[lyric mountain]

eventually tailwind will go a full circle and become css again

[pearl trail]

hello there

@oak cliff

womp

[oak cliff]

idk how it got through here but got blocked in all the other channels

[pearl trail]

[deft wolf]

This channel lives its own life. The whole world has forgotten about its existence

[quartz kindle]

welcome to where the magic happens

[small tangle]

aka you run javascript and hope for the best?

[quartz kindle]

ive been coding my project for months now and havent run it a single time yet

[small tangle]

[deft wolf]

Schrödinger's code type shit

[quartz kindle]

currently at 111 uncommited files changed

i run my code in my mind

[wheat mesa]

Had a PR at work with 174 changed files, I feel bad for my lead who had to review it

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[solemn latch]

👀 I have 89 right now. and I feel bad about it.

Thankfully its just my own project.

[neon leaf]

I always end up with 1 commit per feature

so its sometimes 200+ files

[wheat mesa]

but... just commit often and squash when you're ready to merge

[neon leaf]

nah

[limpid onyx]

What if there's a problem and you lose everything because you didn't commit?

[neon leaf]

then I would be concerned since everything is backed up 5 times

[wheat mesa]

but why go through the pain of restoring that data if you can just commit instead

[neon leaf]

too much creativity needed for commit names

[wheat mesa]

don't bother

if it's a personal project just go with "idk whatever idc"

[neon leaf]

sadly its not personal

[wheat mesa]

Helps to rollback commits too or git bisect

[neon leaf]

my usual other reason is to not leave the project in a broken state after a commit

since I rollback based on git hashes so its faster to undeploy

and being able to choose any commit and it works is nice

[wheat mesa]

Hence the point of squashing

If you squash your merge into one commit, assuming that your feature works, it will be a working state

But whilst you're developing it, it's useful to commit partially through so you can rollback after you have one part working, another, etc