development

[static barn]

that's what I'm trying to say that the tester didn't provide the perms that my bot needed

[radiant kraken]

uh, .catch(() => {}) 🤓☝️

[static barn]

process.exit(1)

[pearl trail]

oh yeah, catch the error. because it's people that will be using your bot, not you. we don't know how people will invite the bot. thus topgg invite the bot with no permissions

[radiant kraken]

not really

some people are picky with what permissions they give to bots they invite

[pearl trail]

yeah and that also

[static barn]

Why the hell discord provided perms option then

[radiant kraken]

top.gg invites bots with no permissions because they don't want bots to nuke the verification center

[static barn]

You can't add a loop for every command

[pearl trail]

to let know user what your bot needs and limit your bot function if they want to

[static barn]

I don't know what to reply

🐱

[pearl trail]

like they don't want a bot to be able to ban members, then they disallow it. same thing goes with other perms

good luck!

[static barn]

Who invites a bot without permission

[pearl trail]

^

[static barn]

If they invite a bot without permission

Then they can use text command

Bot works same

in that case

The welcome message is for them

[static barn]

Yeah last time if they resolve it

Hopefully

Else I'm tired 😴

[bitter granite]

Welp

[bitter granite]

we always give default perms for bots

https://bit.ly/botperms

thankyou zobs for this

[long marsh]

According to the Discord documentation, there is a rate limit of 50 API calls/second for bots?

But what if you're using the HTTP interaction endpoint and respond within the 3 second threshold? I effectively do zero API calls, correct?

I don't actually call back into Discord.

[static barn]

I have sent a video

with these perms

[static barn]

I have 10 ppl using the bot

discordjs

[long marsh]

My bad! It's just a coincidence that I'm talking about rate limits at the same time you are haha. I'm asking a question for others, not responding to yours 😄

[static barn]

My bad too 🫂😅

[long marsh]

Good luck with yours! I hope you resolve it!

[static barn]

I don't have new users

Would like to test? As normal person

if you have time

[long marsh]

I would normally, but I'm working on my bot at the moment before my daughter gets up 🙂

When she gets up, it's pretty much 0 free time from then on

[static barn]

daddy

problem

No problem just finish your work and play with her later 😁

[bitter granite]

i just checked from our log, the bot indeed did not have a working help command, if you need more detail, you can dm the reviewer and wait for the respond

[static barn]

No I mean video

In #support

With the commands you mentioned above

[pearl trail]

guys, is AuditLogCreated event really exists?

[earnest phoenix]

uh yes?

[pearl trail]

lmao sorry, i was having trouble with the intents before. i asked that because the bot in discord.net's server replied with this

[deft wolf]

Bro

@topaz magnet support scam

Not this one

🤦‍♂️

@unkempt ocean

[pearl trail]

lmfao

harvey specter

[unkempt ocean]

thanks

[idle solstice]

Hi senior developers,

I am new here trying to learn. I have recently started using cogs to categorize my bot's commands.

In the attached image 1: I am showing how I am writing my help
In the attached image 2: I am showing how it gets displayed in discord

I know this is not the best way to do it. Because it says "No description given" for arguments. Google directed me here (https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/interactions/api.html?highlight=commands command#discord.app_commands.Command.description) - But there are no information about arguments as a parameter.

Can someone please help me with this?

Thanks in advance

[prime torrent]

How can I open a ticket?

<@&817055174613794826>

[abstract raven]

❤️

[deft wolf]

Tickets are intended only for auction-related matters

[spark flint]

why do people straight away ping everyone known to man

[vital mirage]

https://pastecode.io/s/w8f7fffs

Got any improvements on my current functions, and if using fucntions was a good idea?

[frosty gale]

shouldn't this be (< -> >=)

if (userAccount.lifesystem.economy.balance[accountType] >= amount)
      userAccount.lifesystem.economy.balance[accountType] -= amount;

your current code will only deduct balance if the user doesn't at least have amount

your error handling could also make do with some work, opt in for more graceful errors like sending a message "user not found" instead of throwing an unhandled rejection

you also seem to surround your code with try {}, throw errors inside of the try {} and then in the catch {} you throw the error anyways? this defeats the point of using try catch

catch (err) {
  throw new Error(err);
}

for a simple improvement i'd change this to something like

message.reply(`Error while executing command: ${err.toString()}`);

if you dont mind your error messages being exposed

[vital mirage]

i just have these to throw err because i havent set u p my logger yet, im going to have a logger func that sends an embed to my servers error logs webhook its just temp for now

also just for now ive changed it to return a json of code and a message and that gets habndled by the command itself, so if its successful itll return code 200 with message 'Success' And then my command will ahve its own case for each code and reply dependent on that

[vital mirage]

https://pastecode.io/s/7o9tyksp
Any improvements on this?

[sharp geyser]

What exactly are you concerned about

[surreal sage]

profaanity

casinochips

also consider using prisma or drizzle
only real difference is the schemas

[earnest phoenix]

d.py uses docstrings for its default help command

[sharp geyser]

I see no difference in using mongoose and a orm

Tbh an orm is sometimes more limiting

[earnest phoenix]

orms are usually worse

[azure trench]

i have a question

i was thinking about making a code debugger for my bot which is powered by a trained neural network which when a user decides to opt in to mining crypto currency ingame and installs the miner the bot sends its errored codes aswell as the code debugger and the users computer simulates resolutions for ingame rewards, im assuming this is a no right?

is it against TOS for this kind of thing to exist?

[digital swan]

probably

[azure trench]

big sad

the best option would be to rent GPUS right

it kinda sucks

i was trying to think of game features that would be practical both ways

i can see whre it would be potentially dangerous though

[digital swan]

i think installing software onto user's computers for a discord bot is a big nono

especially to be part of a mining botnet it seems

[azure trench]

well

to the users it was going to mine ingame currency

but in reality it would be debugging my bots code

but yeah

if downloadable software is a TOS nono

im done for for that idea

fuck it was such a good idea too

[digital swan]

idk if it is but it would be a massive red flag no matter what

[azure trench]

yeah it would be a totally optional thing

[digital swan]

if your code is buggy to the point of needing to make an ai to search through it

i think you have bigger problems

[azure trench]

can a man with ideas and ambition not try

i too lazy to learn

my bot has turned on

and trained

[digital swan]

you'd need to learn a lot to make that

[azure trench]

with complex logic

already

and spawned cards

with 10 traits

and created simulations

without knowing to code

ty gpt

however

its still not good enough LOL

i have a few computers at home anyway

[digital swan]

chatgpt produces broken code? never heard that before

crazy

[azure trench]

i guess ill mine away solutions to my code with a locally created solution

my code is 10k lines+

its hard for it to not hallucinate

and easy to misalign

accross the 12 cogs

[azure trench]

im going to rewrite my bot in MOE structure

run by a neural network cluster

so i can be lazy

and watch it figure itself out

[idle solstice]

Thanks
So as long as I am using discord.py, I can never fix the argument description missing error?

[wheat mesa]

Man the bait isn’t even believable anymore

[earnest phoenix]

You can, as I said, it uses docstrings

[idle solstice]

Sorry I misinterpreted. Thanks for confirmation.

In that case, I am defining arguments in my docstring. I assume the code will be able to read from there directly. But somehow it still throwing the error. Guess thats why I thought it is not allowed or something.

[abstract raven]

Hi

[earnest phoenix]

That's not how docstrings work

[idle solstice]

Thanks. I will work on fixing them.

[frosty gale]

the first fully AI debugger

[azure trench]

it was a genuine idea i just came up with

but yeah

i see how its a bad idea

ive changed my strategy

to a self healing method

since now im running MOE

the experts now simulate fixes to missing inputs and reports the success rates of tested inputs to the admin

then asks the admin for permission to update the bot with the fix

[wheat mesa]

??

[azure trench]

what

it now does it on my computer

its to heal config alignments

because am trash

[digital swan]

Are you training to be a hacker in the next fast and furious movie

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/leuk-blij-strak-gif-18800990

[azure trench]

i just want my discord bot to work

idk why im making it really intelligent

i guess i want it to also be popular

the MOE structure can now self heal all json data and missing configurations

kinda lit

now i can monkey mash code into it

and it should deal with it ok over time

since its neural networks

idk

its fun though

managed to make o1 mini think 3 minutes about a code before

i terminated the thinking because i couldnt be bothered waiting longer

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-gif-21375906

[lament rock]

Had to go through a lot of the commits of a lib I maintain just so I could add @since jsdoc tags. It'd have been a lot easier if the project didn't convert to TypeScript and also have its files purged once. On top of that, I wasn't a maintainer for as long as I was developing changes to the lib so the version actually exceeded what was on the origin by a lot and I had to drop from v6 all the way back down to v3. Had to to back and double check it wasn't before the version reset commit which just added up to about 4h of work for a relatively small commit :(

If you plan on working on a js lib, add your @since tags from the beginning

[bitter granite]

Wondering what perms does it need again for bot to lock threads

defo not manage channel right

[lament rock]

https://github.com/DasWolke/SnowTransfer/blob/master/src/methods/Channels.ts#L113

I use my lib to check perms needed cuz all the hard work is done

MANAGE_CHANNELS and SEND_MESSAGES

[bitter granite]

So it dosent need the same perms as lock cmd?

couse if like for example lock cmd

you need MANAGE_ROLES

[lament rock]

MANAGE_ROLES on top of MANAGE_CHANNELS is needed to edit permission overwrites for channels other than threads since threads are the only channels that can be locked

using the built in locked feature that is

[bitter granite]

thanks
-# Someone is getting a red luca message soon for not using built-in

[lament rock]

[warped summit]

Say hello to Saya

[digital swan]

Would it not be best to only show the actual leaderboard entries?

[warped summit]

Like if there is only 3 users show the 3 users and not show empty?

[digital swan]

Yes

[warped summit]

Good idea

Lemme do it

[warped summit]

Gimmie an idea to do if the leaderboard has no data?

[digital swan]

“No data”

[surreal sage]

is prisma /w psql good for 4-5k writes per min

[neon leaf]

prisma is pretty slow

if you didnt start anything yet I recommend drizzle

might be a bit harder to get started with since it abstracts less though

[digital swan]

yeah i love drizzle

i just need them to add some sort of middleware feature and i'll use it for everything

[prime cliff]

Almost done aside from changing 2FA methods

Better 🙂

[neat mauve]

loool this reads like someone who got dangerouse half knowledge talking about stuff they do not understand, but they think they understand it

[lyric mountain]

that's definitely a project manager in the making

[small tangle]

Do you plan to add sms as 2fa? Because if yes, id recommend not to since its considered insecure and you already provide passkeys and auth app as methods

[wheat mesa]

If someone is SIM swapping you to break your 2fa to your docker containers then you have bigger problems

[sharp geyser]

If someone cares enough to sim swap you then you have bigger problems

[sharp geyser]

Ok

[lament rock]

SS7 is insecure as people can re-route your texts and calls

For context, SS7 is the backing technology of SMS/All phone calls that are not VOIP

[lyric mountain]

@ivory siren they got slight volume imbalance

Whatever that means

[bitter granite]

Stock went down
And asking if you wanna gacha your life saving incase it can go up

Most of the time they dont thou

Except major coin

[ivory siren]

-b 1239238884697702431 crypto scam id

[gilded plank]

killwish95#0 was successfully banned.

[bitter granite]

just checked its late

[small tangle]

But why would you add an insecure method if you support better ones already?

And SIM swapping is not the only attack vector regarding SMS 2fa. They can be spoofed if a bad actor gets access to the phone network youre in

[vital mirage]

react with 🤷‍♀️ if you hope i fail

[digital swan]

easiest? probably any fullstack js framework. nextjs, sveltekit etc

[long marsh]

Do I need any special intents to direct message the installer of my discord app?

I'm looking to send a guide / reference the help server upon install through that mechanism

[deft wolf]

Sending a DM is never a good idea. Also I'm not sure if you are able to check who added your app to their account

[feral aspen]

For someone running out of storage on his PC (and not wanting to spend monthly on cloud), should I invest on a Synology NAS?

[lyric mountain]

intent no, but you need IDENTITY scope

[feral aspen]

I was recommended the DS723+ Synology NAS; however, I'm thinking of purchasing a used Synology NAS for maybe cheaper?

[vocal ferry]

ds723+ rocks especially with the network card upgrade, only bad thing about it is not as many drives as some other stuff in the same price range and 1 usb port. software is great but I guess it really depends on what youre gonna use it for, just plain storage?

[feral aspen]

Not only plain storage, but mostly weekly backup of my PC files, camera, phones, and more. (they are TBs so I needed a solution for it)

[feral aspen]

For the used Synology NAS, I found a Synology DS2415+ which has 12 bays and someone's selling it used for $435, is it worth it?

^ considering its retail price is in the thousands of dollars $ - so not sure... do I go with a new model (low no. of bays & good network card) or older model?

[vocal ferry]

thats a bit old no? im not sure i havent really used their older products since i couldnt really afford them at the time lol

[vocal ferry]

but no encoding or a lot of simultaneous reads and writes right? like are you trying to host it as a server?

if its just gonna be used as storrage you could probably get away with a terrastation

or linkstation i forgor my names

[feral aspen]

Yeah, a server pretty much; I wanna use it for what I mentioned previously - if not attempt to be able to access it in any country, too.

[vocal ferry]

whoops ment to write plex server lol

[feral aspen]

I'm not entirely sure if it's built for multi-tasking and simultaneous reading/writing

[feral aspen]

Yeah, similar to Synology DS223j you mean?

[vocal ferry]

like i have a regular ol NAS for just file storage, back ups of my pc, movies, and games. I could get away with a diy solution with open source stuff but I opted for Synology since is probably the most user friendly one ive used. The buffalo linkstation was fine but its "ups sync" thing didnt work and it died when my power went out

[vocal ferry]

yeah thats great for just regular "cloud" storage

[feral aspen]

It's not efficient for multiple users accessing it, though; only personal use

[feral aspen]

Well, I found it on Dubizzle (sell old products site) and it's 8% the retail price, is it worth it?

[vocal ferry]

ohh i see its not for personal use

[feral aspen]

Not entirely sure if its OS will be similar to the OS of the newly bought NAS (forgot the os system called)

[feral aspen]

Yeah, I have a whole fam who'd want to access it simultaneously (so DS223j won't fit the equation for now)

[vocal ferry]

its fine but i wouldnt try to stream multiple video files with it

can u pair it with a nuc?

[feral aspen]

I have no idea what that is, though you should be able to?

[vocal ferry]

not sure the exact definition, but just a sff pc that u can use to actual process stuff and just use synology as the nas.

[feral aspen]

Here's where I want your opinion in, do I go with the DS723+ Synology Model or the DS2415+?

[vocal ferry]

ds723+ is gonna be quicker but only 2 bays holds it back compared to the older one

723+ is what i would do, its just quicker and more powerful per bay. the 2514 only plus is just more raw storage

but if a nuc/pc comes into the question then it would be a harder question to answer lol

[feral aspen]

Hmm, how does it differ? I hope I'm not missing something I'm supposed to understand prior

What is the role of the nuc/pc when purchasing a Synology NAS exactly?

[long marsh]

Why? Sending a DM thanking someone for installing?

I’ve seen several of the larger bots do it

[deft wolf]

You do you, I advise against it

[earnest phoenix]

How to get your bot quarantined:
Step 1: Do that
Step 2: ggs, your bot is on the perfect way to get quarantined

how do you get a game-bot to spread by word of mouth?

many people told me that the only way to effectively grow your discord bot is by word of mouth especially if it is something niche

i have more than a year (16 months) that I released my bot and it has only ~340 servers.

and those I got mostly by ads (spent around 30$ for ads till now)

and also by the free 15$ credit top.gg used to give back in the day

[vocal ferry]

Synology kinda mixes compute and storage together in their systems, in my humble opinion i think letting a nas be a nas and having a nuc handle all the computing would be the most cost effective option ($ to power). Now for most home users the computing solution in a synology nas is fine as they are 1-4 people households. When you go over 1gb/s r/w/network, or need to encode, virtualizes, or run any sort of service then off loading that off a nas's pretty weak hardware onto a stronger device

basically have the nuc/pc as your server and the nas as storage

[feral aspen]

Ohh, I see - well, we're only 4 people, I don't think we'd need a seperate device that handles computing

[vocal ferry]

oh 4 people, man im thinking u got the entire extended family on ur plex server (i used to have that xd)

[feral aspen]

I think it's entirely up to me; better computing or more storage slots... both same price, one new & another used

[feral aspen]

😂 😂

[vocal ferry]

ive seen some ironwolf 16tbs go under 250 recently

(refurb)

[long marsh]

Then how are the bigger bots authorized to do that? Where is this information your suggesting?

[earnest phoenix]

On Discord's docs:

There are no specific numbers, but suppose your bot gets large and popular, ggs on getting it quarantined

Users add bots to servers
Servers have channels
Your bot highly likely can send a message in on of those
> Send in one of those channels..

[long marsh]

Perfect. Thanks for this reference!

[sharp geyser]

@prime cliff you use OIDC with blazor right? How the hell do you get it to work. The docs on microsoft are so fucking confusing at best, and illegible at worst

Im tempted to make my own implementation, but i'd also rather not suffer through that

[prime cliff]

You mean with Discord oauth or your own user account stuff?

[lyric mountain]

worth to note, in this scenario it is a valid DM, as it was triggered by an user action

it would be forbidden if for example you DM'ed multiple people on join, which is a no-no

[earnest phoenix]

even dming just the owner of the server is not ideal

they mention sending a dm to everyone because of how many dms it creates

which can be the same as dming hundreds of server owners during +- a minute timespan because they added your bot

though here again, discord never gives specific numbers for a reason

[earnest phoenix]

same if you dmed people randomly after executing a cmd for thanking them for using your bot

triggered by a user interaction, though will get your bot quarantined easily

[sharp geyser]

I have my own auth server that uses OIDC

I cant seem to figure it out though with blazor

[prime cliff]

Not blazor just asp.net in general

[sharp geyser]

wdym

Im trying to connect the client together so they can login. Is that not a blazor specific thing?

[prime cliff]

No not a blazor specific thing

You need to use asp.net itself and/or controllers/service

[sharp geyser]

Any articles you can provide?

The microsoft docs are not the most user friendly

[surreal sage]

keycloak gang

[neat mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/gamemistress-lemon-face-gamemistress-lemon-gm-lemon-gamemistress-sour-gif-26000199

[neat mauve]

started developing VZS mid august this year... ill soon hit 500 installs... most of them before topgg launch... and with ad's i have gotten like 40 additional installs with ~10$

[warped summit]

I have a Discord leaderboard bot which updates automatically every x minutes….. give me a time I can make the bot update messages to avoid hitting frequent rate limit

[lyric mountain]

honestly, never

[warped summit]

Lmaooooo

Then what to do?

[lyric mountain]

Have the users use the command when they want to see it

Discord doesn't really like self updating stats

[warped summit]

I’ve implemented this

https://srcb.in/x5H3C5sG9h

if discord tells me to wait 5 seconds you wait 5 seconds
if discord tells me to wait 10 seconds, you wait 10 seconds
if discord tells me to wait an hour, you wait an hour

[lyric mountain]

Is that bot public?

Or private?

[warped summit]

Public

[lyric mountain]

Then yeah, won't cut it

You'll be bottlenecked by the global limit

[sharp geyser]

Best way to do this is to make use of discord's own features

[lyric mountain]

For every server that uses that leaderboards will reduce your update bucket

[sharp geyser]

Post the leaderboard to a follow channel (whatever they are called), and force send it to all servers following that channel

Cool thing is, your bot can also have the server follow this channel itself so it can be part of your setup

[lyric mountain]

That has a limit too btw

[sharp geyser]

Sure

But you can do it daily

[lyric mountain]

Ah yeah

[sharp geyser]

Leaderboards don't HAVE to be real time

And if you want a real time leaderboard make a cmd for it

Otherwise sucks to suck

[lament rock]

A website*

[sharp geyser]

That as well

But most people don't tend to make a website specifically for it

They prefer keeping it in one place either due to lack of skill, or the effort it takes

[warped summit]

This is good.

[sharp geyser]

Yea

Riding the rate limit isn't a good idea either

Its a quick way to keep getting rate limited and possibly perma banned from the api

Your goal is to not get rate limited, not to attempt to just barely hit it

[lament rock]

[sharp geyser]

Unless im reading that code wrong

It will keep trying, until its no longer rate limited

[lament rock]

The ratelimits are there for a reason. You won't get punished for following the rate limits

in fact, they want you to follow it

[sharp geyser]

Thats not what I mean

From my first glance it looks like they are just repeatedly hitting it, until a 429 is no longer given

[lament rock]

The only times you get punished is for 4XX status codes for cloudflare bans

Oh then yes back off

[sharp geyser]

Honestly I didn't really take a good look at the code so I might be wrong

Im currently sick so my brain wonky

[lyric mountain]

It's ironic that Discord won't punish you yeah, but cloudflare hates 4xx errors

[sharp geyser]

Discord doesnt need to

cause cloudflare handles it for them

CF is pretty quick with it

[lyric mountain]

That's why libs have internal buckets and ratelimiters to prevent reaching discord limit

Yep, a few dozens will get you banned for the day

[lament rock]

This is incorrect. If you exceed 10,000 4XX responses within 10min, you get a cf ban for a day

[lyric mountain]

Hm, I stand corrected then

[warped summit]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/rate-limits#rate-limits

[pearl trail]

huh, this is kinda weird? or am i just having skill issue

[sharp geyser]

Question is, at which point is it 1

your IDE could be showing you what it was before / after something happened to WinnerCount

[pearl trail]

when i fetch the data from database. i can try track it down in case something is set after the fetch. so it is possible the IDE not always showing the “actual” data?

[sharp geyser]

Sure

It could be showing something cached, or maybe old data

Check the db, is it 0 or 1?

[pearl trail]

it is 1 indeed

[sharp geyser]

How is data being propegated?

[pearl trail]

i might’ve set another value which i may forget, ill look into it

[pearl trail]

the data passed from a file that called that function

a little bit messy yeah

[sharp geyser]

[earnest phoenix]

how did it hit more than 500 installs that quickly?

[sharp geyser]

I find it comes down to 3 main factors

1. Useability - How well is your bot able to integrate into the server? Is it easy to use right off the bat, or is there a learning curve (remember most users dont want to spend hours learning how it works unless they are looking for a grindy bot)
2. Target Demographic - Is it something people want to use and invite to their servers? If its not something people are looking for, they simply wont invite it
3. UX/UI - Does it look good? Are the embeds properly colored, is the grammar proper, does it feel smooth to use with no hiccups?

Keep in mind this is just my opinion and not fact, but over the years this is what i've noticed (im also tired so everything might be gibberish)

[amber rose]

I think this is fine, if it looks good, it's more addictive 😼

[neat mauve]

Honestly.... I dont know for sure. But I suspect that one of my action lead to it. I have played the bot in a very big server, just for a split second. But overall people tried it out once and then didnt do it again. Though I didnt look often for it, but it was so that i gained roughly 250 installs from that i suspect. Especially since my bot was banned on that server when i returned and tried it out again...

It was just a test... but apparently i guess it went well ':D

[lyric mountain]

honestly, you could reduce the clutter a bit

[amber rose]

:/

How?

[lyric mountain]

too many icons, the "Click below to upgrade" text could be in the footer instead

and "Current upgrade level" can be shortened to "Current level" or "Upgrade level" so the number doesn't jump to the next line

[amber rose]

Alright

[earnest phoenix]

i think third point is strongest point. 1st the bot does have a learning curve but not anything crazy. would argue its less than owo

target demographic is kinda hard as it may bea niche game

would you give me an opinion if i showed you the bot ?

[digital swan]

not even necessary assuming there's a button that says upgrade or something

[lyric mountain]

I'll be very honest, people are dumb

there've been many cases where despite having a blatantly obvious button people were unable to figure it out

[deft wolf]

We don't see the button, but if it's a button that only has an emoji I can believe that someone could not understand it

[bitter granite]

Agreeeeeeeeeee 1000000000000000000000000000%
Also they need to learn to read

[amber rose]

I'm not happy with you talking about people that way

[bitter granite]

The amount of Time i got dm
And my reply is just "read the screenshot you sent me" is insane

[amber rose]

It all comes down to a great guide and simplified explanations

[bitter granite]

Guide on how to read?

Idk if they can even read the guide

[amber rose]

Like I said, don't explain it too much detail and try to order everything well

[deft wolf]

🤨

[warped summit]

Which bug bot is made with Discord.js

[lyric mountain]

sounds simple, but in practice it's very complicated

[amber rose]

You're totally right

[lyric mountain]

those who work with sysdev know it very well, no matter how simple you make things, how clear you word stuff, how many "how-to" images you put

the. user. wont. read.

in fact 60% of my job is adding safeguards on our app to railroad the user into doing things correctly

[bitter granite]

Indeed you can expect every mistake to happend
Even thing you thought might be impossible

[amber rose]

Oh

Now I get it

They skip the guides

We all kinda do that

[vale pilot]

Hi

[amber rose]

Wsg

[warped summit]

Gimmie a good hosting service

[surreal sage]

yeah no doubt my samsung tv is part of a botnet now

[amber rose]

Reply to this message then I'll send you a link to it

[deft wolf]

🤨

[warped summit]

-# replied

[neat mauve]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=+good+hosting+service&l=1

[digital swan]

Hetzner, digital ocean, vultr, linode

[sharp geyser]

Overpriced

but what isnt now a days

[bitter granite]

If you dont care about spec and just wanna to host a bot, there is a shared hosting like sparked host (althou you dont have control like other service max mention)

[digital swan]

Hetzner is overpriced?

[bitter granite]

I know a provider that is cheeper then all of those

But the service is so bad i cant say the name

[digital swan]

That’s why they’re cheap then

[bitter granite]

Or they thing its a targeted roating

[bitter granite]

Bro they dont care about costumer data at all

[digital swan]

So it’s not a realistic option

[bitter granite]

No as they can nuke ur server any time with no reason even thou u paid

With a reason of false flag

Rip my data was there
My code that the last backup was a week

[sharp geyser]

Yea it definitely is

[digital swan]

You used your production server as the only place for your code?

[digital swan]

How

[bitter granite]

Yes at that time (i was a not smart back then)

Now i know i always make a backup before live

Learnt the lesson

[sharp geyser]

I mean, its alright if you are looking for EU servers, but I def dont recommend it for anything beyond that

[bitter granite]

And also service provider blacklisted

[sharp geyser]

Their US servers aren't quite up to standard for the price they are putting them at imo

[digital swan]

Yeah it’s better in eu but I’m only using it for a US server rn and it’s perfectly fine

Better spec than digital ocean

Good network performance

[sharp geyser]

I use contabo atm simply cause cheap & quick provision times

[digital swan]

Beautiful web console

[sharp geyser]

It serves its purpose for testing

[bitter granite]

I use ovh is it good on the list?

[digital swan]

Don’t contabo oversell and have really bad network speeds

[sharp geyser]

ovh is good for industrial servers

their dedis are amazing tho

[bitter granite]

I would enjoy it tbh if they dont keep getting payment Issue and asking me to send id

[digital swan]

I never used them. I heard about them a lottttt years ago for Minecraft servers

[sharp geyser]

ovh for minecraft?

thats overkill asf

[bitter granite]

I am using those baremetal

[digital swan]

It was for big servers

[sharp geyser]

oh

then yea

The only thing I hate is ovh's commitment thing

its understandable

but like

[digital swan]

Like you have to commit to a year of paying?

[sharp geyser]

yea or you pay everything outright

[bitter granite]

Outright

[digital swan]

Ahhh yeah I couldn’t do that I change my mind too much

[bitter granite]

But i dont seem to have any issue with the server at all

+its the company money so...

do i really care about how its payed... Nah

[digital swan]

I just wish for hetzner to provide managed databases

[sharp geyser]

I just wish for hetzner to offer dedis in the US

[digital swan]

Their server auctions are eu only?

[bitter granite]

I wish ovh provide on indonesia

[digital swan]

Ik digital ocean and vultr have a lot of regions

[bitter granite]

They dont have on indonesia
The shitty one before that i said have thou

Unless they finaly added it

[sharp geyser]

yup

they only offer vps in us

[bitter granite]

Also I use that bare metal for mc server too

[digital swan]

Hopefully they’re looking to do more with US since they added support for usd

[sharp geyser]

Hope so

I'd love to see it

[bitter granite]

I mean usd support is now standard nows days

[digital swan]

If your target audience is Europe though it’s fine

[sharp geyser]

@prime cliff is a separate api even needed for blazor? I am looking at all this example code, and other peoples projects and they manage to do everything server side

[tacit estuary]

Are there better ways to use "files" in python besides the default "read, write, append" method? Maybe a library python thing has something better I suppose.

[sharp geyser]

Wdym

What else do you want to do to a file?

[tacit estuary]

It's just annoying when you have to use ALL 3 "r, w, a" in the same block of code and you have to close file, open it again, close, open it again, close, open again.

[pearl trail]

isn't it the cheapest?

[sharp geyser]

Its pricey for what you get in the US

its EU servers are good tho

[pearl trail]

oh

[pearl trail]

my friend uses ovh dedi, and it's great + cheap

[radiant kraken]

@pearl trail @lyric mountain anyone knows why this warning happened?

idk why its spoilered

stupid discord

e is List<Enum> btw

[sharp geyser]

Apparently valueOf is better here

[radiant kraken]

how so?

[sharp geyser]

parseLong returns a primitive long, so re-boxing happens. Whereas valueOf will return a long object.

For some reason this is better

I dont know too much myself, only what i've heard

[radiant kraken]

thank you so much aaron! that fixed the problem ❤️

[sharp geyser]

👍

[radiant kraken]

guys is this valid

type Coin and Cash is an enum

[sharp geyser]

Looks fine, what are you worried about

[radiant kraken]

(List<Enum>)e

[sharp geyser]

I mean why not, all you are doing is telling the compiler its type

Rather

why not make it take in a List<Enum>

Why does it have to be Object

[radiant kraken]

if i replace Object with List<Enum> then

[sharp geyser]

[radiant kraken]

this.getNominal((List<Enum>)this.getCoins(), (List<Enum>)this.getCash()) doesn't work either

[sharp geyser]

This is Java right

[radiant kraken]

mhm

cc @pearl trail

[sharp geyser]

Honestly I might be washed

Never knew Enum was a type

[radiant kraken]

Enum is a class

for every java enum instance

it has .name(), etc

[sharp geyser]

Ah right

hm

Can I see the definitions for the Coin and Cash enums?

I mean it doesn't really matter if it takes in Object afaik

Im more curious why its giving you problems

if Coin and Cash are both enums, then they are instances of Enum afaik

[radiant kraken]

enum Coin {
  _100,
  _200,
  _500,
  _1000,
}

enum Cash {
  _1000,
  _2000,
  _5000,
  _10000,
  _20000,
  _50000,
  _100000,
}

damn TIL java's final functions more like javascript's const than C++'s const

never knew that

[sharp geyser]

Ah

So you can't assign a list of enum values aka a list of Coins to a base type

Compiler doesn't really know what that will end up being I think (if im understanding this correctly)

Honestly just take in an object and cast if need be

Its the easiest way, unless one of the bigger java brains like @wheat mesa or @lyric mountain can answer better

[radiant kraken]

oh wait nvm it worked pog!

[pearl trail]

Hmm im not that familiar with java

[lament rock]

Nodejs devs, what node version do you use?

[radiant kraken]

v23.3.0

now that i think of it, i should update

[lament rock]

I know someone personally on v12

Really what I'm going after is if a good chunk of devs still use something older than v14 because of global.fetch (my lib makes use of it and putting a dep on undici makes the min node v20)

[radiant kraken]

nvm my beloved

[radiant kraken]

bro avoids new nodejs versions like it's discord.js

[lament rock]

I mean I forgot what node v my prod machine is on. I know it's at least > v19

v12 is reasonable though since that v saw considerable performance improvements to Promises

[radiant kraken]

is making the minimum supported version node v20 a bad thing?

[lament rock]

I personally am not against it, but I am not the extent of the users of the projects I maintain:
https://www.npmjs.com/package/lavacord
https://www.npmjs.com/package/snowtransfer
https://www.npmjs.com/package/cloudstorm
Are a few examples

Someone requested I support a min of v14 as that's when fetch was added

For snowtransfer

But I don't know if some people genuinely have projects that break on newer node versions. Like, some native libs dont have binaries for later node versions

Tim also fucks around and finds out with node internals changing

[prime cliff]

Some features might need api routes for example login/register (Password managers detect POST requests), oauth, being able to access full http context, setting cookies or you just want external api access for your project with your own api tokens.

Passkey/webauth needs routes too with a little bit of js function invoke

Uploading files too needs routes

[digital swan]

I just use whichever nvm labels as LTS. I believe 22 rn?

[frosty gale]

there's a couple that are lts I think

[warped summit]

Best language to code a heavy bot with?

[deft wolf]

The best language to write any bot will be the one you are most familiar with

[frosty gale]

any language will do honestly i would be more focused on a better ecosystem and library support

a better library will allow you to scale more easily

and basically any language can scale if you try hard enough

[warped summit]

What’s a better library ?

[warped summit]

Ohk

[frosty gale]

library that has full coverage of the discord API, frequently updated, etc

do note frequently updated != frequently introducing breaking changes (discord.js dig)

[warped summit]

Which would you do?

Discord.js or Discord.py

[frosty gale]

we are entering highly opinionated territory

[warped summit]

Let’s go

[deft wolf]

Let's start the war 🔥

[warped summit]

Which would u do?

[frosty gale]

im not a fan of discord.js because of the frequent breaking changes but discord.py can be a little bit on the heavier side because of the nature of the python language

it depends on what tradeoffs youre willing to accept

every person you ask will give you a different answer

id recommend for you to choose one you think looks the best and cleanest

[warped summit]

Ooo

I’ll go with djs

[bitter granite]

Lets not start a lang war

[frosty gale]

id only start one for the sake of starting an argument

[quartz kindle]

heavy as in resource intensive (video/music/ai) or heavy as in a lot of servers?

[warped summit]

Lots for server

[quartz kindle]

for lots of servers you're better off using the discord api directly or writing your own minimalistic wrapper for it

discord.py and discord.js are not really good at handling lots of servers (100k+)

its not hard to use the discord api directly, you just need fetch, websocket (you dont even need websocket if you go full slash commands) and read their docs

[obsidian radish]

@bitter granite

[wheat mesa]

Enums can have inner values in Java

That would be a better way to handle it

[radiant kraken]

oh they can be like Rust?

[wheat mesa]

That way you’re not parsing out a string for it

Not necessarily exactly like rust but somewhat similar yes

    public enum SomeEnum {
        VALUE1("Value 1 Description"),
        VALUE2("Value 2 Description");

        private final String description;

        SomeEnum(String description) {
            this.description = description;
        }

        public String getDescription() {
            return description;
        }
    }

[lyric mountain]

You can use a generic to avoid having to cast

[wheat mesa]

That too

[lyric mountain]

Using enum constants would be better than parsing too yeah

Java enums are more flexible than classical enums

[sharp geyser]

Luckily the only external api I use is from my auth server

Realistically everything else can be done via blazor no?

All the external apis, I will end up using some other companies api so its not like I need to make it myself

[sharp geyser]

I wasnt sure if using a generic was allowed, as this seems like something for their class

and some teachers are like "You can only use what you're taught"

[lyric mountain]

Ah, it's a class assignment

[sharp geyser]

I think so

[long marsh]

This is an interesting take – not something I've thought about. Is it due to their caching mechanisms / opinionated things that make stuff easier but hard to manage at scale?

I use DiscordJS ... but purely for the embed builder / component builders. I .toJSON them for the HTTP interaction response

I could have built my own ... but they already had it available

It likely slows my responses by a few microseconds ... but meh. Could care less about that

[sharp geyser]

The builders and such are probably the worst of it for discord.js

[long marsh]

In terms of what? Performance?

[sharp geyser]

discord.js uses a lot of memory, mainly because of what it does internally to make your life easier

[long marsh]

When I say builder, I legit only mean the embed builder / action row builder components. That's it.

[sharp geyser]

Which si fine for small bots and beginners, but once your bot starts scaling, a lot of that is no longer useful for you, and in turn actually limits you

[long marsh]

My stack is

Discord -> AWS API Gateway -> EC2 -> Redis - > DynamoDB

When building out a bot, what are some of the better ways to influence people to come into your help server?

[deft wolf]

Bugs

[neon leaf]

lol

[long marsh]

low key ... I think this is actually may problem; however, I don't think the answer would be to inject "fake" bugs 😄

[digital swan]

Might not apply but I’ve got a few features that are only available inside the official server and it tends to attract users

[frosty gale]

best way is if your bot has issues LOL

occasional random issues will encourage people to join to ask then probably just stay

[frosty gale]

@quartz kindle is this still the case? i thought they did this whole revamp in an effort to avoid caching where possible

now that i think of it their initial strategy of caching everything was a horrible idea that was never going to work

[long marsh]

Idk … I’d say the majority of discord bot cases it definitely worked

I agree on your sentiment though

[frosty gale]

i mean it will always work if you do a ram upgrade every year

but for smaller bots yeah doesnt matter much

[frosty gale]

scratch that every month*

[quartz kindle]

not sure, its been over a year since i last played with it, but im pretty sure they still cache most things by default

for example many things are a requirement for all the permission checking methods

guild cache, channel cache, role cache

the only thing that can be disabled without affecting most core functions is users/members/messages cache (except the bots own user/member)

but afaik the default is to cache everything as it comes

except messages which are limited at 100 or 200 per channel

[quartz kindle]

mostly caching yes

[frosty gale]

discordjs reminds me of a stock windows 11 installation

by default its extremely bloated and you have to do a ton of config and uninstallations to make it bearable

[sharp geyser]

Whats the best way to silently refresh access tokens?

[solemn latch]

Isn't that the point of access tokens? To be silently refreshed

[sharp geyser]

Right, but how do I silently refresh them

I know I can make a post request with the required things

[solemn latch]

Using the refresh token

[sharp geyser]

I know

Let me fully explain

I am wondering the best way to silently refresh them using the expiration time. Do I use some type of cron job, a timeout, or something else? What if the process goes down, how do I resume the timer etc etc

[solemn latch]

I actually don't know the answer to this, I thought youre supposed to refresh them just whenever you send the next request after it's expired.

But I might be wrong

[sharp geyser]

Well

[solemn latch]

IE check every time you plan to send a request

[sharp geyser]

The point of silently refreshing them is to do so without the user's input

So it looks "seamless"

[solemn latch]

The user wouldn't know here either. Other than the extra delay to get a new token.

[sharp geyser]

I guess yea

[solemn latch]

Which hopefully is quick

[sharp geyser]

Hm yea I guess I could check every request

[solemn latch]

Yeah, since you need to poll the db anyway you should have the expiration time too.

So it's a simple now > expire check

[sharp geyser]

Yea fair

I can check prior to every request to see if the token is expired, if so request a new, replace the old and continue with the new one

Should hopefully be a quick process

Im having to implement the entire Authentication library myself since I can't use the .NET one

😔

[solemn latch]

I assume that's how it's intended to be done. But I've never really looked that far into it

[sharp geyser]

Hey man, im learning new shit every day to complete this project

some of which I dont even fully understand 💀

I have so much work to do its insane

[prime cliff]

😆 Welcome to development

[sharp geyser]

Yea i've never taken on such a massive project

With such unfamiliar tech stacks

I just initalized a new blazor project, and its different from the last time

So now im confused on what to do

💀

[prime cliff]

Can't be as massive like my project currently? 🙃 having to do all the auth, 2fa, ton of UI/data with API support/clients, swagger, multiple oauth connections and LOTS OF FUN xD

[sharp geyser]

Uhm

Sir

or ma'am

My project is so much more 💀

[prime cliff]

You trying to clone Discord then

[sharp geyser]

No, we are making a new marketplace

I can't go into the specifics

[prime cliff]

👀

[sharp geyser]

but we have a lot of work cut out for us.

Not only is there auth and UI, we have to handle payment processing, order fulfilment, tracking, emails, account management, and product management to name a few

and thats just the tip of the iceburg

[prime cliff]

Oh nice haha payment stuff is gonna be crazy have fun 🙂

[sharp geyser]

Well we plan on using stripe so it won't be as bad

but still a pain to integrate all these technologies into one place

[prime cliff]

Do you have help from other people or?

[sharp geyser]

We are a team of 2

I do the backend, they do the frontend

Since we are using blazor though, I do all the C# required stuff as well on the frontend

[prime cliff]

Well at least you don't have touch frontend that's a plus css wise

[sharp geyser]

Though im not going to bother making a separate api for this project

We won't be exposing any api endpoints to the public so theres no need

I plan on doing it all server-side on the blazor project and have the client talk directly to it

[prime cliff]

It's pretty easy to do api stuff in asp.net and just make your own authorization attribute to lock it down

[sharp geyser]

Yea

Right now im having to implement my own auth lib

since I can't really use the one provided by MS

or I can and I just dont know how

[prime cliff]

public class IsAuthenticatedAttribute : ActionFilterAttribute
{
    public override void OnActionExecuting(ActionExecutingContext filterContext)
    {
        if (!filterContext.HttpContext.Request.Headers.ContainsKey("Authorization"))
        {
            filterContext.Result = controller.CustomStatus(401, "Authorization header is missing.");
            return;
        }

        string AuthKey = filterContext.HttpContext.Request.Headers["Authorization"];
        if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(AuthKey))
        {
            filterContext.Result = controller.CustomStatus(401, "Authorization header is empty.");
            return;
        }
        //if (!_DB.Keys.TryGetValue(AuthKey, out ApiUser User))
        //{
        //    filterContext.Result = controller.CustomStatus(401, "Your token is invalid, for support go to " + Config.Discord + " ");
        //    return;
        //}
    }
}```
🙂

[sharp geyser]

Yea

My thing is

I use OIDC, but my requirements are strict

I only allow certain email domains when registering for an account, so I have to build my own login ui instead of using the hosted one so I can intercept the request to check the email before continuing.

So I can't use MS OpenIdConnect package, since im not using the auth server's hosted login page

[prime cliff]

That's easy with blazor you just do an EditForm with POST request and asp.net identity has built-in user management/login

[sharp geyser]

How so?

Mind if you show me an example cause I couldn't find anyway to do something like that

Since I use Microsoft & Google OIDC

[prime cliff]

[HttpPost("/auth/login")]
public async Task<IActionResult> Login([FromForm] string email = "", [FromForm] string password = "", [FromForm] bool rememberMe = false)
{
    if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(email) || string.IsNullOrEmpty(password))
        return BadRequest("Invalid email or password.");

    AuthUser? AuthUser = await _userManager.FindByEmailAsync(email);
    if (AuthUser == null)
    {
        return BadRequest("Invalid email or password.");
    }

    Microsoft.AspNetCore.Identity.SignInResult Result = await _signInManager.PasswordSignInAsync(AuthUser, password, rememberMe, false);
    if (!Result.Succeeded)
    {
        return BadRequest("Invalid email or password.");
    }

    return Ok();
}```

[sharp geyser]

Im not sure that will work for me

The way my auth server works, is I can use OIDC methods to interact with it, and then it acts as a relay between Microsoft & Google

User Login -> Auth Server sends request to whatever they choose (MS or Google) -> Google or MS responds with the information on that account -> Auth Server logs them in saving that information -> Redirected back to page

[prime cliff]

You can intercept the oauth callback with the data given and check the email format too

[sharp geyser]

The problem is, I can't

Well

I could, but I would end up having to do 3x the work to get the end result I want

It's better to just implement my own login UI and not use the provided auth package

It'd be less work in the long run

[prime cliff]

You should probably look at an asp.net google oauth sample then or an OIDC example

[sharp geyser]

The problem is right

My auth server, when they login with an external identity provider, auto creates an account for them when they first login.

So I can't intercept the callback, because an account is already created

[prime cliff]

So you do have user accounts then with a password or?

[sharp geyser]

No

[prime cliff]

Just oauth only ok

[sharp geyser]

There is no password, it simply uses whatever external idp I provide, and they login with those accounts via oauth

but the problem as I stated, is when they first login, an account is created on my auth server.

So intercepting the callback wont work since an account would already be created

They'd continue to be able to login, so even if their email is bad, it wouldn't matter

That's why I have to just go through the flow myself https://zitadel.com/docs/guides/integrate/login-ui/external-login

My auth server allows me to do so by making a series of api calls

[prime cliff]

Something like

public void ConfigureAuth(IAppBuilder app)
  {
    app.UseExternalSignInCookie(DefaultAuthenticationTypes.ExternalCookie);

    app.SetDefaultSignInAsAuthenticationType(CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType);
    app.UseCookieAuthentication(new CookieAuthenticationOptions());

    app.UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication(new OpenIdConnectAuthenticationOptions
    {
      ClientId = _clientId,
      ClientSecret = _clientSecret,
      Authority = _authority,
      RedirectUri = _redirectUri,
      ResponseType = OpenIdConnectResponseType.CodeIdToken,
      Scope = OpenIdConnectScope.OpenIdProfile,
      TokenValidationParameters = new TokenValidationParameters { NameClaimType = "name" },
      Notifications = new OpenIdConnectAuthenticationNotifications
      {
        AuthorizationCodeReceived = async n =>
        {
          // Exchange code for access and ID tokens
          var tokenClient = new TokenClient($"{_authority}/v1/token", _clientId, _clientSecret);

          var tokenResponse = await tokenClient.RequestAuthorizationCodeAsync(n.Code, _redirectUri);
          if (tokenResponse.IsError)
          {
            throw new Exception(tokenResponse.Error);
          }

          var userInfoClient = new UserInfoClient($"{_authority}/v1/userinfo");
          var userInfoResponse = await userInfoClient.GetAsync(tokenResponse.AccessToken);

          var claims = new List<Claim>(userInfoResponse.Claims)
          {
            new Claim("id_token", tokenResponse.IdentityToken),
            new Claim("access_token", tokenResponse.AccessToken)
          };

          n.AuthenticationTicket.Identity.AddClaims(claims);
        },
      },
    });
  }
}```
You can check the email in AuthorizationCodeReceived and redirect to an error page or exception.

Time to do my oauth stuff 🙂 bye

[sharp geyser]

Is this a service?

I've not seen ConfigureAuth before

[prime cliff]

That's just a normal C# function that you run

You can split up your service configs into different classes based on what you're doing instead of all in 1 class

🙂 just pass to the service collection into the function to build

[sharp geyser]

Oh cool

I never did that before

I ought to do that

👍

Thank you for the advice

I will look into this more

[sharp geyser]

I assume you call this in your Program.cs file right?

[prime cliff]

Yea

[long marsh]

I can remove discordjs entirely from my discord application if I built the one piece of it that I use: embed / action row builders. Do any of you know of a typescript library that can help with this? I can always build my own / reference the discord documentation regarding the JSON ... but hoping to use something off the shelf

[lament rock]

Is there a reason you're using the builders over just the json?

Personally I'd rather just the JSON

[long marsh]

Convenience purely

I just like the pattern / easy to use

[lament rock]

@discordjs/builders is its own lib

[long marsh]

I also like the typing DiscordJS provides

But yeah, I'll check out that library!

For reference, this is what I'm using in one of my imports:

import {
  ActionRowBuilder,
  ButtonBuilder,
  ButtonStyle,
  ComponentType,
  InteractionContextType,
  InteractionResponseType,
  InteractionType,
  type APIInteraction,
  type APIInteractionResponse,
  type APIUser,
} from "discord.js";

Some of them appear to be from discord's own library ... so I could maybe switch those out.

[lament rock]

All of those exports are mostly from discord-api-types asides from the builders

djs just re-exports those types

[long marsh]

Yeah, that's what I figured as well.

[vale pilot]

Yippepe my bot got approved

[deft wolf]

Good job

[sharp geyser]

@prime cliff Thank you so much kind sir, your advice helped me find a solution to my problem without breaking my back. I was able to think of a way, while still crude works well enough

[frosty gale]

java aah design

java convention is to use builders for everything which i find to be so much boilerplate

[earnest phoenix]

want to add a new field?

be ready to edit at least 4-5 files

[lament rock]

I can live without the insane compiled module import strings size in my heap

[amber rose]

The ☕ experience

I like the boilerplate though

[frosty gale]

im only ok with boilerplate if it results in faster code

i find it very difficult to accept my 2 line simple code if it can run 0.1x faster if i add lots of overcomplicated code

[scenic kelp]

builders are much nicer when you're programmatically constructing things

yeah it's a pain to initially write out but they're basically necessary in statically typed languages

[pearl trail]

anyone have experienced slow intellisense on jetbrains ide? it's kinda annoying

[sharp geyser]

Running low on wam

[pearl trail]

wam?

[sharp geyser]

Ram

[pearl trail]

hmm interesting, i still got 5gb free

i'll just leave it as it is

[bitter granite]

Whats tbe rate limit message ammount again?

[lament rock]

What message rate limit are you referring to?

If you mean sending a message in a normal channel, it's 5 messages per 5 seconds

[bitter granite]

Yes thanks

[frosty gale]

a lot of languages have macro/compile time support so you don't need to do this stuff and can easily define dynamic style structures, I'm not sure if java supports these but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't because they have their own disadvantages

they can make code unpredictable to people from the outside and encourage complex unmaintainable patterns

[scenic kelp]

how would macros help with that?

[lament rock]

JSON is supported by most if not all languages which has no set structure

[scenic kelp]

yes but you're losing all type safety

beyond this is a json object

[lament rock]

What does type safety matter if you're the one sending the JSON

[lament rock]

Btw, I meant to say this sooner, but never hard code rate limits since they can change at any time

[rigid flume]

Hello, im a payment gateway provider... PayPal,square,authorise

[pearl trail]

hi payment gateway provider

[quartz kindle]

I'm a payment gateway provider...I provider account like PayPal, square, authorise net....etc

"i provider account"

written with google translate?

[deft wolf]

Even google translate couldn't screw it up like that

[earnest phoenix]

Looks like a bot or scam artists no offense

[quartz kindle]

yup

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah

[frosty gale]

yay my laptop came with an NPU

what a waste of cpu die space 🤦‍♂️

[muted harness]

I wonder if the top.gg bot list will support user counts like it does server counts

[pearl trail]

lmao, it uses the ram as it's memory too right?

[lucid vessel]

How to show a user's activity in discord.js

[warped summit]

It’s auto updating too 😛

[neon leaf]

why did verifying bots become so easy

just verified all my bots in like 10min

even private ones

[deft wolf]

Because Discord probably tried to make it not so "special"

They want everyone to be able to create a bot and verify/monetize it because then they can also make money from it

This is probably the only way they make any money from someone creating bots

[neon leaf]

I see

[deft wolf]

Such a system sounds better than asking for money to use an API

[neon leaf]

yeah

[quartz kindle]

or maybe the backlog for the old verification system was so large they said fuck it

[sharp geyser]

Its likely a mix of the two

They saw how huge the backlog was, but they couldn't justify just letting everyone verify so easily so they found another reason as well

Notice how strange it was the monetization system came into play right about when they said fuck it everyone can verify

[deft wolf]

Real

https://tenor.com/tJaGZQQJxQ1.gif

[stark jolt]

Because discord wants more money....

[warped summit]

I can’t because I don’t have no license 🥲

56h 😩

[prime cliff]

All good now hell yea https://devspace.fluxpoint.dev/user/account

[amber rose]

Cool

[amber rose]

I once worked for like 4 hours straight

[scenic kelp]

you could say that for every aspect of your codebase then

type safety makes your code easier to reason about and prevents an entire class of issues at compile time

[lament rock]

Trust me, my code bases are as type safe as TypeScript lets me be. But the web isn't type safe

[wheat mesa]

😱

[sharp geyser]

Believe it or not i once worked for 30m straight with no breaks

[frosty gale]

yeah sadly, causes 50% 16gb ram usage off the bat with nothing open

thought 16gb was supposed to be good in 2024

[digital swan]

16gb is quickly becoming the minimum 😔

[pearl trail]

unless you use linux

[frosty gale]

yeah in linux 16gb is usually the 32gb for windows

[sharp geyser]

{"user":{"297712327216594946":"mercatus.gg"}}

How is this not a dictionary C#

well a dictionary inside a dictionary

First key : User
First Value : Dictionary with key stringified number, with value string

or am I wrong?

JsonSerializationException: Error converting value "{"user":{"297712327216594946":"mercatus.gg"}}" to type 'System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.String]]'. Path 'urn:zitadel:iam:org:project:297838639419752450:roles', line 1, position 482.

Nvm I figured it out

[prime cliff]

Were you trying to convert an actual string to dictionary 🙃

[lament rock]

@quartz kindle would you happen to know how to pass readable streams into FormData? There used to be a way to do it, but recent versions of undici more strictly check if something includes something in the prototype chain https://stackoverflow.com/questions/75793118/streaming-multipart-form-data-request-with-native-fetch-in-node-js/75795888#75795888

[sharp geyser]

I have no idea tbh

Because this used to work, but now ig it doesnt anymore

[quartz kindle]

i tried a while go and in the end i gave up lol

i went for reading the stream into a blob and then passing the blob into formdata

but for large files yeah, the formdata class itself is very limited and badly implemented in node

you could always use a better formdata lib

[lament rock]

Man... That sucks. Though I guess it wont be THAT big of a deal as the file upload limit on Discord is being reduced to 10MB

I thought about making my own FormData lib

Since I know how to create the body and headers

[quartz kindle]

yeah thats what i did in tiny discord lel

made my own formdata with the http lib

[lament rock]

iirc fetch supports a ReadableStream as the body, so I can just circumvent that

[quartz kindle]

it should

but they are doing all this weird differentiation between node streams and web streams

they wanna copy everything browsers offer, but then they make it incompatible with node's own version of things

[lament rock]

It's not hard to convert between them. Readable.fromWeb and Readable.toWeb

stream.Readable

[quartz kindle]

yeah but its messy

[lament rock]

Indeed

at least node streams support async iteration ive heard

[quartz kindle]

they both should

but idk

[pearl trail]

has anyone ever encountered ...~ files in the project directory? with jetbrains ide? it happened to me both in goland and webstorm

it's annoying

i didnt find the solution on google

[sharp geyser]

They are temp files

In case the IDE crashes or something it has a place to go back to so you dont lose your work (if you didnt save)

[pearl trail]

hmm yeah, i know it's a temp file from this popup earlier...

but isn't it annoying?

[sharp geyser]

Depends on you

[pearl trail]

like you got bunch of files already, and it doubles

[sharp geyser]

If you dont like it you can turn it off afaik

[pearl trail]

oh

let me see

[sharp geyser]

Once the IDE closes they should be deleted though

[pearl trail]

because local history does exists, so i don't really bother about the temp file

[sharp geyser]

Ah

Once you save that file it gets deleted

So pages.tsx is saved, pages.tsx~ is deleted

[pearl trail]

oh

interesting

thanks

[sharp geyser]

npnp

[prime cliff]

Does node not support chunked uploading or compression or something?

[spark flint]

does anyone know what causes this

its a simple for loop

the array has 4 functions, not much at all 😭

[quartz kindle]

it does, but its complicated

node basically has 2 different sets of tools for the same things, one is node's own stuff and the others is browser stuff

and they are not compatible with each other, so you need to convert one into another and vice versa

[prime cliff]

At that point just create an asp.net api to handle uploads chunked uploading by default with compression support and better form and data handling

[radiant bramble]

hehe

[lament rock]

The thing is that you were able to trick undici (the fetch impl in nodejs) into thinking you were passing it a File instance and supply a custom stream function, but they since patched it with more strict prototype chain checks. Now you'd effectively have to re-make the FormData class and then build the body and headers yourself. Luckily, undici supports supplying a ReadableStream to the BodyInit so if someone makes a better FormData class with a similar API then I would actually use that, but for what I am doing (Discord REST lib), I don't need to worry about it too much since the upload limit for bots and webhooks will be 10MB in Jan

I tried to do this, but I got stuck on working on support for iteration of the class since thats how undici gets the form fields. If you were to do a for (const [name, value] of form) … that would work as it has its own [Symbol.iterator]

I got stuck because I wanted to extend the undici FormData class so that undici would accept it and I wont need to build the body myself, but you can't get a reference to the internal state of the undici form without iterating over the form, but if you implement your own [Symbol.iterator] and try to get the super state, you'll just hit a loop and reach the max call stack size.

Actually. I think I just figured out how to do it, but idk if it will work since the [Symbol.iterator] is defined as a property and I think only methods are stored on the super

@quartz kindle Can you confirm?

[swift barn]

Hey sorry
Can I have to api docs to configure vote rewards
?
(Python if available )

[bitter granite]

Apu should be #topgg-api

[swift barn]

ahh cheers mate

[pearl trail]

auxiliary power unit?

[quartz kindle]

no idea, never looked into it

but are you trying to extend node's built in FormData class?

or are you actually importing FormData from undici as an external lib?

afaik node built ins have more restrictions, even though they are the same as undici under the hood

[lament rock]

undici

[quartz kindle]

yeah i dont see what could be done, you'd just need to have your subclass wrap the original iterator with some method

do you want to like intercept the iterator when undici fetch uses it?

[lament rock]

Yeah. Though I just realized I could do UndiciFormData.prototype.[Symbol.iterator] and then call it

Because I need to get the super state

[quartz kindle]

the beauty of js, everything can be hacked in the weirdest ways

:^)

[lament rock]

Yes :)

[frosty gale]

replace object with function \🧌

[quartz kindle]

replace function with yourmom

[sharp geyser]

replace yourmom with yourdad

[prime cliff]

That leads to security issues though imo if you can literally just modify everything 🙃 which is why browser bookmark malware and malware extensions exist to inject js

[wheat mesa]

I mean, extensions are apps… if you don’t trust them, don’t install them.

[prime cliff]

"run everything with windows administrator if you trust them" is basically what you're saying

[sharp geyser]

I have no idea what is going on here

<div class="w-full h-full">
    <div class="flex flex-column text-center gap-4 w-full h-96">
        <h1>This should be above</h1>
        <p>This should be below</p>
    </div>
</div>

Is this not how flex works???

Examining with inspect element, h1 and p are assuming its paren'ts height as well

[queen needle]

Are you using tailwind?

[sharp geyser]

yea

[queen needle]

flex-col

Is what you're looking for

[sharp geyser]

Right

[wheat mesa]

was gonna say

[sharp geyser]

😭

[wheat mesa]

pretty sure that's too long for a tailwind class name as common as that

[sharp geyser]

ahem

yup

that worked

ignore me

:)

I am used to using bootstrap apparently

So how would I have text to the left and an image to the right if im using flex-col?

I can't mix row and col no?

[proven lantern]

space between

or around

[wheat mesa]

I would recommend using grid for layout, flex for content

[sharp geyser]

Whats the difference?

[wheat mesa]

I'm not a super good-at-frontend person, but that's generally a good style to follow as far as I have learned

Grid is better at making layouts, flex is better at centering and spacing content

You can mix the two

[sharp geyser]

That wouldn't work

Actually

I got it

[wheat mesa]

productive work day today

I did more than that but gitlab is refusing to show it for some reason

oh god damn I did a lot, that was page 1 out of 5

thereeee we go

[sharp geyser]

Damn

My current codebase is messy asf

Especially since im still not fully used to blazor

[real rose]

me when i accidentally commit my .vs folder in work

[wheat mesa]

Except that this is a rare occasion where I actually did edit 96 files

[long marsh]

Just removed the discord.js dependency 😎

Used discord-api-types and @discordjs/builders instead

[remote cargo]

I forgot to add a perms check on the main command actually I did add it just didn't add the right permissions lol

@bitter granite sorry for the ping, quick question, upon denial do I have to fully resubmit the whole bot profile or is there an option to resubmit without having to go through the whole form process?

[bitter granite]

-addbot

[gilded plank]

@remote cargo

Adding Your Bot To Top.gg

So you want to list your bot on Top.gg? We have a support article to help guide you through the process! If you need more help please contact us in #support!

Click here to follow our guide!

[bitter granite]

you need to add again if you have fix the issue

[remote cargo]

Thanks! I just wanted to double check before I rewrote the description.

[crystal yew]

So im trying to submit my discord bot but topgg is telling me its too new and not registered to discords api, but I made the bot a month ago and have been using it. Is it because its only a user installable application?

[bitter granite]

we dont accept bot that only have user install

since we cant invite them to test

[long marsh]

Does anyone here use the monetization features Discord provides? Ie. one-time purchase SKUs?

I have implemented one-time purchaseables and the subscription. Fortunately, I've had customers purchase both, but I only see the subscription revenue and not the one-time purchases.

I'm curious if there's a lag on those metrics. I would contact official discord support, but my request would likely get lost in the sauce there. I want to exhaust my resources first 🙂

[pearl trail]

even tho i got access control headers on the preflight, i'm still blocked with CORS??????

ok now i got it working to send the POST data, but i'm now not getting the response, but still "CORS Error" even tho it's 200 OK

sorry for the trouble, i fixed it

[prime crescent]

At which point of spaghetti code is it worth the hassle of refactoring everything

Im at 10k loc rn, im not a beginner programmer but this is my first discord bot. I think after a refactor with my current experience id be at ~6k

[quartz kindle]

you never stop refactoring

:^)

[prime crescent]

😂 well yeah, i guess i should’ve worded it as "start over"

[pearl trail]

hello, does this mean it's out of bigint range too?

oooo, i need to stringify it first before putting into BigInt

[neon leaf]

yes, or do 243873285723851298173459218775n

(n at the end defines a bigint)

[pearl trail]

ah, but i can't do that with data not from variable right? like fetching from api

[neon leaf]

correct

[pearl trail]

i see, thanks for the information

[tacit estuary]

Does discord require ALL commands use slash commands to use their search thingy or only some?

[frosty gale]

they want all commands to be registered and used as slash commands for you to get verified

[tacit estuary]

Darn it.

I'm trying to add in BOTH '?' prefix and '/slash' command.

Does one have to be listed as client = this and another bot = this? Cause using client = and client2 = don't work.

[frosty gale]

you would need the message intent which would allow you read to message contents and see the prefix but discord only gives it to you for certain use cases and prefixed commands isnt one of them

[tacit estuary]

I literally can't use ALL slash commands ONLY. I can only use prefix or mixture of the two since I am completely oblivious on how to make slash commands work with "cog files".