development

[quartz kindle]

divdivdivdivdivdivdivdivdivdiv

[small tangle]

if let Some(lock) = locks.get(lock_id) {
  if lock.locked {
      if let Some(owner) = lock.owner {
          if owner != event.thread_identifier {
              let error = AnalyzerError {
                  line,
                  error_type: AnalyzerErrorType::ReleasedNonOwningLock {
                      lock_id: lock.id,
                      thread_id: event.thread_identifier,
                      owner,
                  },
              };
              return Err(error);
          }
      }
   }
}

gotta love me some Rust™️

[solemn latch]

would you like some divs with your div?

[frosty gale]

wait till bro discovers there are elements that do a lot of things from the box instead of having to code the CSS for them using a class

[pearl trail]

thats me but i still use div 😔

[earnest phoenix]

dunno, using a service that offers these classes, so yeah

[frosty gale]

exploiting the needrestart vulnerability on my unpatched server and it works

how did this even go unnoticed for so long

[earnest phoenix]

the same way as every other vuln do

[earnest phoenix]

banger https://nodejs.org/en/next-data/og/announcement/Why JS sucks

[radiant bramble]

Yoo

[tulip ledge]

Can't you do something like

if let Some(lock) = locks.get(lock_id) {
  if lock.locked && lock.owner.map_or(false, |owner| owner != event.thread_identifier) {
    let error = AnalyzerError {
        line,
        error_type: AnalyzerErrorType::ReleasedNonOwningLock {
            lock_id: lock.id,
            thread_id: event.thread_identifier,
            owner: lock.owner.unwrap(),
        },
    };
    return Err(error);
  }
}

The onwrap is safe because of the map_or

it saves some indentation at the price of being less readable

[radiant kraken]

it's not that bad tbh

i use that a lot in my projects and it's still readable

map*() helper methods help a lot

[tulip ledge]

yeah I prefer them aswell when I'm writing rust

but some people prefer more if statements to be able to follow the flow of the code easier

but I don't like to indent more then 4-5 times

[radiant kraken]

well i used to avoid them because i afraid that it might harm the performance

and now i use them everywhere lol

[tulip ledge]

pretty sure they don't, do they?

[radiant kraken]

well... you lose a few microseconds, that's all

[radiant kraken]

if let indentation hell is def something to avoid

[small tangle]

oh interesting

didnt know about that

i mean i could use let chains too, but they are still unstable

[tulip ledge]

Really? If it's false map immediately invokes to false. And mapping allows you to unwrap which iirc is faster than implicitely unwrapping with an if let Some(). But I might be talking crap now I'm not really sure of that so take it with a grain of salt

Also the compiler should optimize these patterns no? I'm pretty sure the asm code is nearly identical

[radiant kraken]

you should dive deeper into Option and Result helper methods, they help a lot in readability

[tulip ledge]

Definitely

Option and Result types are what make rust so great

[radiant kraken]

yuuhhhh!

and also procedural macros

[tulip ledge]

I even made a custom lil library in typescript so I have typesafe Option and Result types in my typescript projects lol

[radiant kraken]

rust is literally syntactic sugar heaven

[tulip ledge]

yup

[small tangle]

if let Some(owner) = lock.owner && owner != event.thread_identifier {}

[radiant kraken]

i don't recommend using unstable features until they're stable

[pearl trail]

is this swift?!!?!?

[radiant kraken]

no it's the 🚀 language

not the pro language sadly 😔

[small tangle]

Fair

I solved it a bit differently, could reduce nesting by inverting some conditions to use them as guard clauses

[radiant kraken]

poggers

what are you working on btw?

[small tangle]

Its an analyzer for traces. These traces log the order of acquire/release events of locks and im checking if the traces are well-formed (by checking some rules they defined in the paper this is based on)

[radiant kraken]

oh interesting

[small tangle]

Yea, thats part of my master thesis

But i was running into lifetime issues when i tried to refactor the individual match arms into seperate functions so i need to look into that

Currently i have a for loop where i iterate over the events and fill a HashMap depending on the kind of event. But when i moved the logic into its own function i ran into the issue that i needed to borrow the HashMap mutiple times mutable to fill it. Any ideas on how to solve that?

I can send more context when im home again

[radiant kraken]

damn you're allowed to write your master thesis in rust?

[radiant kraken]

send me code of what you're trying to do

[small tangle]

At least a part of it

[small tangle]

I will later

[radiant kraken]

yippeee

lifetimes my beloved

[neat mauve]

typical rust conversation 🤣

[earnest phoenix]

me when my projects are boring af

[radiant kraken]

same

[humble gyro]

🤓 ☝️ you could use <section> and <article> to help identify distinct parts of your website

[humble gyro]

fire sticker

[sharp geyser]

ty

[humble gyro]

I stole it

[sharp geyser]

not nice

[humble gyro]

very communist of u

[earnest phoenix]

ackshually

[radiant kraken]

🤓 ☝️ you should add aria-* attributes in order to help people with disabilities

[bitter granite]

How do i center a div
The div:

[earnest phoenix]

lmfao i swear

[small tangle]

@radiant kraken sooo The basic structure is:

pub fn analyze_trace<'a>(trace: &'a Trace) -> Result<(), AnalyzerError<'a>> {
    let mut locks: HashMap<&str, Lock> = HashMap::new();
    let mut memory_locations: HashSet<&str> = HashSet::new();
    let mut line = 1;

    for event in &trace.events {
        match event.operation {
            Operation::Acquire => { /* logic */ }
            Operation::Release => { /* logic */ }
            Operation::Write => { /* logic */ }
            Operation::Read => { /* logic */ }    
            _ => {}        
        }
        line += 1;
    }
}

I want to refactor each match arm into its own function but since im modifying the hashmaps in multiple places im not sure how would i achieve this

[radiant kraken]

in multiple places?

[small tangle]

meaning in multiple match arms

[radiant kraken]

shouldn't that be fine tho? afaik you can do that as long as they are inside each match arm

[small tangle]

hm, lemme try that again, maybe did i something else wrong

[radiant kraken]

also you're missing a ; after the line += 1

besides that, your code looks pretty good, nothing i would refactor myself

[small tangle]

Operation::Write => analyze_write(event, line, &mut memory_locations)?,
Operation::Read => analyze_read(event, line, &memory_locations)?,

e.g. this complains about cannot borrow memory_locations as mutable more than once at a time

[small tangle]

i thought id be cleaner to move the logic into seperate functions

fn analyze_read<'a>(event: &'a Event, line: usize, memory_locations: &'a HashSet<&'a str>) -> Result<(), AnalyzerError<'a>> {
    let memory_id = expect_operand(&event, &Operand::MemoryLocation(""), line)?;

    if let None = memory_locations.get(memory_id) {
        let error = AnalyzerError {
            line,
            error_type: AnalyzerErrorType::ReadFromUnwrittenMemory {
                memory_id,
                thread_id: event.thread_identifier,
            },
        };
        return Err(error);
    }

    debug!("Thread '{}' read from memory location '{memory_id}' in line {line}", event.thread_identifier);

    Ok(())
}

thats the implementation of the second function

and its complaining about cannot return value referencing local variable memory_locations and im not sure how im returning a local reference

i mean in the end, the code compiles when everything is in one functions so im not too worried but im curious how i would make this work

[radiant kraken]

huh, i can't seem to replicate this

[small tangle]

uh

[radiant kraken]

is the error stack pointing exactly at those two lines?

[small tangle]

these are the two error messages

[radiant kraken]

for the second one, are you returning data from that match statement?

[small tangle]

im returning Err inside the match and an empty Ok(()) at the end of analyze_trace

[small tangle]

and im constructing the errors like this

[radiant kraken]

OH

AnalyzerError<'a> this is why

[small tangle]

[radiant kraken]

memory_locations has the lifetime of 'a

you're returning a data with the lifetime of 'a as well (in this case, the error)

[small tangle]

mh okay

so AnalyzerError needs to live longer than 'a?

[radiant kraken]

yeah

[radiant kraken]

maybe you should replace the lifetime annotation for memory_locations to 'b like so: ```rs
fn analyze_read<'a, 'b>(event: &'a Event, line: usize, memory_locations: &'b HashSet<&'b str>)

also, replace that if let None = ... with if memory_locations.get(memory_id).is_none()

also, why are you referencing event again when it's already a reference? (expect_operand(&event, )

[small tangle]

oh true

hm, how would i annotate the analyze_trace. im a bit lost with lifetimes .-.

[radiant kraken]

hahaha it's alright

you will get used to it!

you'll love em eventually

[small tangle]

how would i read this annotation?

[radiant kraken]

what do you mean?

[small tangle]

like from the understanding of lifetimes, what is the relation between the two lifetimes

[radiant kraken]

those two lifetimes are just... different lmao

they don't affect each other

[small tangle]

hm okay

[radiant kraken]

telling the compiler that the lifetimes differ should help with that compiler error iirc

[small tangle]

i removed every lifetime annotation to start new .-. why is that the case: this function's return type contains a borrowed value

pub struct AnalyzerError<'a> {
    pub(crate) line: usize,
    pub(crate) error_type: AnalyzerErrorType<'a>,
}

pub(crate) enum AnalyzerErrorType<'a> {
    MismatchedArguments {
        operation: Operation,
        operand: Operand<'a>,
    },
    RepeatedAcquisition {
        lock_id: &'a str,
        thread_id: &'a str,
    },
    RepeatedRelease {
        lock_id: &'a str,
        thread_id: &'a str,
    },
    ReleasedNonOwningLock {
        lock_id: &'a str,
        thread_id: &'a str,
        owner: &'a str,
    },
    ReleasedNonAcquiredLock {
        lock_id: &'a str,
        thread_id: &'a str,
    },
    ReadFromUnwrittenMemory {
        memory_id: &'a str,
        thread_id: &'a str,
    },
}

because of the string slices? should that be owned strings instead?

[pearl trail]

😵‍💫😵‍💫

[neat mauve]

Just a quick question... is it currently weekend on topgg in terms of votes? or not? I am so tired.... but i checked the code and should be fine... it seems to return True for the is weekend status with the topggpy client. tell me i am wrong... 👀

[radiant kraken]

idk swift 😵‍💫

[radiant kraken]

because AnalyzerError has an explicit lifetime annotation in its definition

therefore you must explicitly add a lifetime annotation whenever you want to use it

i don't think you should remove the explicit lifetime annotations tbh

[dapper quarry]

so only two of my cogs are syncing slash commands and none of my other commands are syncing. How long does syncing typically take?
Its been over 10 minues since the restart

[warm surge]

No

[warm surge]

I invited it to a server I just made

[civic scroll]

what it do

[warm surge]

nothin

no slash command or prefix commands

[civic scroll]

anything on audit logs

[warm surge]

im waiting on that

but right now nothin

later maybe

@ivory siren

#general-int message and this too

[warm surge]

It went offline

[ivory siren]

-b 1308601169332928577 spam account

[gilded plank]

gulshan120#0 was successfully banned.

[civic scroll]

oh

i c

[radiant kraken]

hai sis

[civic scroll]

hi

[radiant kraken]

i'm a huge fan

:)

[civic scroll]

hi a huge fan

me too

[radiant kraken]

you're so cool

can i have an autograph

[pearl trail]

mme too

[unreal plank]

Hi guys, i've created an web app, i want some feedbacks

so pls become my feedbacker

https://yscript.streamlit.app

[civic scroll]

yes

[civic scroll]

yes

[radiant kraken]

omg

this is the best day of my life

😭

[civic scroll]

[radiant kraken]

i'm your #1 stan :)

[quartz kindle]

your biggest fan, this is stan

[radiant kraken]

fr

[neon leaf]

Any good npm libraries for basic OCR?

[quartz kindle]

anything that is backed by native code

i wouldnt trust pure js to do OCR

[neon leaf]

Yeah, I wasn't able to find anything

[quartz kindle]

tesseract.js looks alright

its based on a wasm port of tesseract

[pearl trail]

tesseract ocr?

[neat mauve]

tessaract was okay. but bad. google vision is way better

[pearl trail]

o my bad, alr answered

[pearl trail]

google vision using api?

[neat mauve]

i made a captcha solver though...

[neon leaf]

I mean I mainly need to get text from terminal screenshots

Nothing complex

[neat mauve]

] and j was a problem with tessaract for sure. even google vision had problems smtimes

[neat mauve]

tessaract

easy, good. shouldnt do any mistakes on that end. and free

[neon leaf]

Alright, thanks everyone

[quartz kindle]

this one looks good but its outdated

https://github.com/kaelzhang/penteract-ocr

it uses libtesseract directly, which is better than wasm

or you can make your own libtesseract wrapper with n-api

or testdrive node's new ffi when it comes out

[worldly flax]

I don't know if I can ask something like that, does anyone know how to get your domain up? Can't figure it out.
how to connect discord bot domain to my website

[deft wolf]

You add a record to the DNS records of your domain so that it directs to the IP address of the server where you host your website

[lyric mountain]

in simple terms it's basically a global alias to whatever you point it to

[worldly flax]

When okay for example if I run it on Cloudflare

[deft wolf]

Then you select the DNS tab, then select Records and Add Record

For example

[worldly flax]

Arg okay

[neat mauve]

Do you have a Webserver? And port 80 open to public? and working?

Have you bought the Domain yet?

[worldly flax]

I don't know, I bought a domain last night, but they made a web server there, but I made one for my bot.

[worldly flax]

^

[neat mauve]

you bought a domain and they made a webserver, so you be seeing a site when you visit that domain?

But the webserver usually isnt included or is it in your offer?

might be a default site with the A record pointing to their webserver for such default sites

There must be some option to adjust your domain

[neat mauve]

och nvm. you said you run it on cloudflare 😄

[neat mauve]

so you just need to see where the option to adjust your domain is... And then you need to change the top most A record, like proposed here

maybe its calld 'advanced DNS'

[neat mauve]

Another example of my domain. this is a bit more complex and not for website purpose

[neat mauve]

paste @ in the name field instead of the domain name

[worldly flax]

I did that but it just changes it to my name.

[neat mauve]

Also changes need to propagate through the network... which the ttl says how often you suggest domain servers to querry for your address (they not obligated to do in that interval)...

[neat mauve]

Yeah. and you want a sub domain?

[neat mauve]

your server is not up and running

I can not reach http://109.176.202.68/

[worldly flax]

Oh

[neat mauve]

if i can't reach it via the above... you wont see any results with your propr domain

[worldly flax]

2 sec try straight

[neat mauve]

thus:

1. Start your webserver
2. open up at least port 80 to be open for public
3. let th webserver listen to por 80 on incoming request
4. respond to port 80 with a website or json object or whatever
5. test again with http://109.176.202.68/

might as well open up port 443, because you will most likely also do secure connections via https soon

[worldly flax]

How do I make it a port 80?

[neat mauve]

Webservers usually are configured to port 80 by default

[worldly flax]

Okay

[neat mauve]

it depends on what you developing with... i can't easily answer this as i dont have enough infos

[neat mauve]

but lemmy ask this:
How do you test your webserver then?

localhost?

127.0.0.1?

[worldly flax]

VPS

[neat mauve]

Yeah okay. Thats... uhm like if you bought a pc... lets just imagine this... but there is no webservr installd on that 'pc' yet

nothing configured for it

[lyric mountain]

accessing an url through http will already imply port 80 (port 443 for https)

[worldly flax]

Oh okay

[neat mauve]

you got to do it yourself

[lyric mountain]

are you using something as a webserver? like nginx or httpd

ah, right, you just rented your server

[worldly flax]

No, I have created a dashboard for my bot that is coded into it.

[lyric mountain]

is that dashboard accessible?

[neat mauve]

How do you 'see' your dashboard?

[worldly flax]

  DASHBOARD: {
    enabled: true, // enable or disable dashboard
    baseURL: "http://beaverbot.xyz", // base url
    failureURL: "http://localhost:8080", // failure redirect url
    port: "8080", // port to run the bot on
  },

[neat mauve]

http://localhost ? http://127.0.0.1 ?

[lyric mountain]

ah, you're using a template

so I imagine you didn't attempt to access it yet right?

[worldly flax]

No

[lyric mountain]

also, dont set the failureURL to localhost, it wont work in any way

localhost means "here"

but my "here" is different to your "here"

[worldly flax]

What should it stand on then?

[lyric mountain]

well, some page to tell the user that the url is wrong/down

[lyric mountain]

are you sure? nvm, u were answering the second question

[worldly flax]

Yes, haven't tried and gained access.

[lyric mountain]

ok, so you'll need to first a webserver to process incoming requests

doing it raw would be possible too, but it'd be complicated

[worldly flax]

So use godaddy

[lyric mountain]

no, I mean webserver like nginx or httpd

[worldly flax]

When no, I don't have it.

[lyric mountain]

are you intending to host your dashboard in linux or windows?

[worldly flax]

So have a VPS server with windows

[lyric mountain]

hm, with windows I'm not very experienced, but there are guides for it

https://medium.com/@chandramuthuraj/installing-nginx-on-windows-a-step-by-step-guide-6750575c63e2

skip step 2 since you plan to use cloudflare

[worldly flax]

Oay

Okay*

That's only with Nginx and not Windows.

[lyric mountain]

nginx is a webserver that stays between your code and the world

so when someone makes a request to your IP it'll go through nginx which will route to the appropriate place

[worldly flax]

But I have coded my web server in my bot

[lyric mountain]

yes

[worldly flax]

Can't figure out nginx

[lyric mountain]

...I think you'll need someone who has a windows vps to guide you through this

[worldly flax]

Yep

[quartz kindle]

windows doesnt usually run nginx

people mostly use windows vps to run something like WAMP/Apache

[quartz kindle]

can you show which guide or program you used to make your dashboard?

[worldly flax]

Yes 2 sec

[worldly flax]

Can a send u DM

[earnest phoenix]

@radiant kraken .chunk() my beloved

crazy useful util

[radiant kraken]

never used it, but i can see why

[earnest phoenix]

other languages you always have to compute that yourself

[quartz kindle]

i prefer if you post here

[neon leaf]

okay the tesseract ocr is actually horrible

[quartz kindle]

lmao rip

[neat mauve]

my bad... then maybe google vision api? gav me way better results but its paid whn u reach a certain usagelimit

[neon leaf]

doesnt seem to be available in germany for some reason

[neat mauve]

🥴

Then they changed it. my bad

was available in august

[neon leaf]

weird

[neat mauve]

whats the whole scope of the usecase`?

[neon leaf]

assisting my support team by automatically providing solutions to common issues

[neat mauve]

mhhm, team = work?

how often used?

[neon leaf]

~5 tickets per day

so not that little

[neat mauve]

ticket= 1x translation of screenshot consol to text?

[neon leaf]

well probably 1-2 ocr per ticket

[neat mauve]

send me an example image

[neat mauve]

tesseract really sucks

google vision better and still works for me

[neon leaf]

well in current testing its mostly fine (since I only need portions of text) but that second screenshot messes up the versions

[neat mauve]

the big screenshot?

ill test that

[neon leaf]

yes

it extracted 1.0.2 and 1.6.1

[neon leaf]

ah yes

[neat mauve]

would this even be useful to u?

should work in germany

[neat mauve]

https://cloud.google.com/vision

there it is

[neon leaf]

bruh it works now

hm

[ashen scroll]

how to manage from permissionOverwrites? discord js v14

[neat mauve]

You are welcome ❤️ I hope this satisfies your needs

[earnest phoenix]

was bored, made brainfuck interpreter

[earnest phoenix]

in the end it wasn't that hard

just the [ & ] were a bit more annoying

the rest is just doing +1 or -1 to a variable lmao

[lyric mountain]

now do a jsfuck interpreter /s

[forest herald]

Hey, I got a question What permissions does a bot need to set a voice channel status?

[warm surge]

im not sure if voice channel status isnt a thing yet with Djs or any libary code yet

[forest herald]

It's not a library code

its code that uses node-fetch to set the status

[warm surge]

idk if you could

[forest herald]

?

[radiant kraken]

indentation rights are human rights

if people can be lgbtq why not code 😔

[bitter granite]

[radiant kraken]

like you can't say that this is good indentation, wtf is this mess

yes, this is the FORMATTED code

[bitter granite]

Still alot better the my classmate

[sharp geyser]

I like it

Lot better than some shit i've seen in here

[radiant kraken]

you sound like the type of person to dislike python's forced indentation /s

[sharp geyser]

I dont mind it

[sharp geyser]

@prime cliff surely this isn't how I have to do it...

<RadzenText Text=@("Name: " + _name) />

This looks...terrible

Shut up

@clear plinth (person deleted their message)

[prime cliff]

What the heck was that...

[sharp geyser]

support scam

[bitter granite]

Bruh alot of support scam

[deft wolf]

They think they are smart

[bitter granite]

@steady hedge

[prime cliff]

Anyway yea that's how you do it, inline text and combined variable has to do that ( )

[bitter granite]

Got the id

[sharp geyser]

😭

That looks so bad.....

[prime cliff]

I mean not really it's fine xD

[sharp geyser]

I mean maybe im just not used to concatenation

I usually use template strings

$"Name: {_name}"

[prime cliff]

You might be able to do that too inside the ()

[sharp geyser]

Nah I tried

Cannot use complex content

[prime cliff]

You can do it as Text="@( )" if that makes it any better :/

[deft wolf]

Bro

[bitter granite]

At this point

[deft wolf]

💀

[sharp geyser]

Meh its all good

[bitter granite]

@oak cliff @clear plinth spammer scam

[radiant kraken]

is this blazor?

[prime cliff]

Yup

[radiant kraken]

oh pog

[steady hedge]

Report issue here [e-mail]/invite\JgtqaaFH

Report issue here [e-mail]/invite\JgtqaaFH

[sharp geyser]

Top tier auto mod

[prime cliff]

Ok that's a user doing it

[radiant kraken]

xiuh is most likely still asleep lol

[bitter granite]

Indeed

[prime cliff]

@steady hedge go away

[bitter granite]

All the mod is prob sleeping atm

[radiant kraken]

nah

[sharp geyser]

Auto mod works when you dont want it to

and doesnt when it needs to

💀

[radiant kraken]

we have plenty of mods living in eastern timezones

[bitter granite]

Indeed

[radiant kraken]

but most of them are inactive

[bitter granite]

Ik and they are on leave i think

[deft wolf]

We need more (active) mods

[radiant kraken]

nope

[bitter granite]

At somepoint is raid ping a good idea

[radiant kraken]

nah this is just one guy

[bitter granite]

3

2 is dead now

[radiant kraken]

still 1

[bitter granite]

Fair point

[sharp geyser]

Just ignore em

[radiant kraken]

cosmic and sunil still respond to moderation pings so

[bitter granite]

Oh yeah i forgot

[sharp geyser]

Where's the swede

mf always on

[bitter granite]

Not this time

[radiant kraken]

it's 11am for him

he's just not on discord atm

[prime cliff]

Time to report the server to ticket tool bot that they are using

[sharp geyser]

lol

[bitter granite]

^

[bitter granite]

^

[pearl trail]

^

[deft wolf]

^

[neat mauve]

^

[spark flint]

^

[neon leaf]

^

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lyric mountain]

v v v

500kg bomb incoming

[prime cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-shockwave-nuke-nuclear-explosion-gif-21948424

[warm surge]

im adding them wanna troll?

[radiant kraken]

wow that was a crazy convo

which one do you guys think is better? ```py

vs is a dict[int, ...]

vs = await ts.compare_bot_server_count(432610292342587392, 437808476106784770)

for first in vs[432610292342587392]:
print(first)

for second in vs[437808476106784770]:
print(second)
or...py

vs is an iterable, and can only be consumed once

vs = await ts.compare_bot_server_count(432610292342587392, 437808476106784770)

for first, second in vs:
print(first, second)

i'm writing a library and felt like latter would be a better syntax sugar, but realistically maybe the former

[lyric mountain]

well, from a performance pov the second is better

also arguably better usability

[earnest phoenix]

second better

[radiant kraken]

alright, thanks!

[frosty gale]

starting a loop in python has an overhead so likely second as everyone said

python try not to incur a performance penalty doing literally anything challenge (hard)

[lyric mountain]

pretty sure all langs that have enhanced iterators have some sort of overhead no?

tho the actual impact might depend on how it's implemented

for (Exmpl e : examples) {
  ...
}
``` is equivalent to ```java
Iterator<Exmpl> it = examples.iterator();
while (it.hasNext()) {
  Exmpl e = it.next();
  ...
}

[neat mauve]

talking about performance when it comes to python... mhhm thats like talking about being fast, where as you only got by foot and others go by car. 👀

[wheat mesa]

Python is fast in the same way that my 2013 ford focus was fast (compared to a horse)

[radiant kraken]

i used three iterators to yield the output so it's not that performant lol```py
return c and zip(*((Timestamped(t, kind) for t in d[i]) for i in ids))

[frosty gale]

@quartz kindle ever heard of String.raw in js? Just found out about it

[pearl trail]

wow, thats interesting

[civic scroll]

sure, but running can get you far, assuming you use the right technique

nothing's wrong for getting the most out of something

just because something is not as fast doesn't mean you can make it run faster than the current implementation (it's rather naive to always assume the existing solution is the best one out there without reasoning)

[neat mauve]

no one doubting that

[neat mauve]

no one said that 😂 ❔

so lemmy assume you think like this?

The big question is rather if its worth it

[civic scroll]

that's my response to 2nd clause of your sentence

[neat mauve]

and its definitely extra work to put into python when doing so

[civic scroll]

the comparison wasn't even something extreme
it was comparing 2n sequential operations to n sequential operations

[neat mauve]

so if you are heavyily cpu based and cant go to other native languages to compute it all.. then dont waste your time with python...

but its good to get things going ^^

[civic scroll]

most of the time you will be bound by IO before you can get to computational stuffs

[neat mauve]

also by trying to refactor and optimize the shit out of it you may fall into a state where you not able to build some features ...

[civic scroll]

hence optimisation is done at the end, when things are already working with the base impl

[neat mauve]

If you use python in an IO environment. yes. but thats just one usecase.

[civic scroll]

and not to mention python libraries can have c/c++ backend

people doing a bunch of ai/ml in python all the time

so this "performance" question depends

[neat mauve]

so you only be doing small programms that have a deadline and be done after that and do not need maintenance nor running on production? or what? ':D

[civic scroll]

but most of the time we are talking about algorithm performance (the number of operations it takes to perform a computation)

[neat mauve]

Idk about you, but i am rather thinking about bigger programms and that being said how good python is to build bigger programms... mhhm i dont want to talk about it... but maybe not the best choice

[neat mauve]

Yeah i know.... I aint saying anything against that lool

I am also heavily into python. dont understand me wrong

I know the pros of it

and have also developd AI's and done research in Ai and such... the AI's i have developed where mostly developed in python

[civic scroll]

again, it's to optimise the logical side of the algorithm, not the actual runtime impl under the hood

[neat mauve]

I am not dumb to now know that there arent any libraries

[civic scroll]

i'm not saying you are

nor implying

[civic scroll]

what do you mean by this point

"be done" here means you have a working implementation, and given that it's totally reasonable to optimize
what not to do however is premature opt

[neat mauve]

you let it sound as if there is a straight way of doing things and the will work out... people will do it right the first time they do.. nothing is going to happen if you optimize the running project... you be working and finishing your project and done...
Thats the opinion i am getting from you xd

But let alone the human factor in this equation... its insane. idk about u if you have worked with other peoples code or co worked with people at the exact same code and areas.... but i know how it goes

[civic scroll]

the opinion you got from me is not even close to what i meant

[neat mauve]

So you just talking about theoretical stuff here now? Thus you want to talk about O'kalkulus? Maybe about complexity theory? and how theoretical the cpu space and all is? xd How theoretical shall we talk about python... which shouldnt be talked theoretically xd its a practical example... in my opinion it wouldnt be good to talk theoretically about python... it would just not get us anywhere

[neat mauve]

Yeah... theoretically. but keep in mind others are reading here too...

[civic scroll]

theoretical stuff should be implementation-agnostic
if we talking pure theory, python wouldn't even be mentioned

[neat mauve]

and when talking about python... its not a theoretic model... its a practical implementation. so reviewing anything python related should be viewed in a broader space and on a practical view

[civic scroll]

*within python

[neat mauve]

good we agree

so you not looking at the code as a whole... but just at small code pieces

and u want to optimize individual operations

if needed

thus you do not do so, unless you got a cpu heavy operation(for example) and then sit down and see if you can get it done by another language and or omite being inefficient

and not thinking of the surrounding stuff

[civic scroll]

as of now (as far as i'm concerned):

• "the code as a whole" is the snippet
• that snippet's evaluation can be taken in isolation since it doesn't have observable side-effect

[neat mauve]

Whereas this work is indeed more with python then other languages like c++;

[civic scroll]

which bring me back to the point... what are we even talking about?

[neat mauve]

second one is an assumption. not true in practical in my opinon. But ok, you also stated 'not having observable side-effect'... so you may not see it asap.

[civic scroll]

ok, where is it then

talking about performance when it comes to python
i was picking on this, because python doesn't deserve this much hate 😔

that was my original point

[neat mauve]

you said there can be a solution fond thats faster... I argued that no one said such a thing that the solution woulnd be able to be slower

now we discussing it out

and we agree in the point that you can opimize single isolated parts of code when needed.

[civic scroll]

without reasoning

[neat mauve]

hate? - I am heavily going for python since like 5 years xd

[civic scroll]

i'm not talking about your intentions

it was a pun, i guessed most likely

perhaps my message was lacking emojis?

oh how silly me

[neat mauve]

[civic scroll]

but yeah my point is, when talking about performance some people would assume the absolute runtime performance of something when the context is about comparing relative performance of different algos in the same medium, and i picked your pun up as such

apologies for the confusion
and unless one is really good, the first solution might not be the best - it's not like "i could optimise this but this is known to be slow overall so meh why bother"
what i inferred from "make it work, make it right, make it fast"

[neat mauve]

I just don't encourage talking about python and speed and trying to argue that its fast. Thats the main point. It is NOT fast. It can theoretically be fast in 'code snippets'. But anyone arguing that python is fast is the worst thing one can do... not generalising things... also no need to defend python. If you want speed go with something else. Stop wasting your time optimizing stuff then. its simple.

If you want to start out fast and build something, where you most likely wouldnt ever hit your limits of the cpu and else... you more likely to just abandon the program... thats when i say go with python.

So I encourage anyon going for python! but not building anything big onto it... as there is many pitfalls and considerations... And defining 'big' is also a thing thats hard to do... My big is probably bigger then most people will code things on their own

[civic scroll]

my point is not "python is fast" (although it is fast enough depending on your needs)
it depends on the bottleneck, and it totally fine to optimise if it's not ridiculous (eg. the algo, or different impl within scopes of the language's intended design)
and "fast" comes with "relative to what exactly?"
(fyi for my context it's "the same python program but using the 1st snippet")

we talked for so long i lost context

[neat mauve]

I'd not agree with "make if work, make it right, make if fast".
You should decide by case... And see if you need to make it fast... maybe rather save up time. I think time you spend developing is way more worth then getting things properly done.. Just shit a test project and see how it performs... then you can build a solid ground when its on market and performing good... or you can easily change stuff up to see how next version performs... then spending insane times at things you would probably not need in the future... it all depends on how oneself judges it. so... That being said... I value crap code a lot, as well as good and efficient code. But what I do not accept is having crap code as a basis or having exceptionally well code as a start up... But if you just do it as a private project and its just for yourself or learning or such... then might as well do whatever u want. why not experience this sh*t yourself? xd go for it!

[sharp geyser]

what in the heck is going on

can someone give me the tldr

[civic scroll]

i'd say for learning experience, it's worth it to see how your algorithm can be improved, logic-wise and impl-wise
you gain more knowledge about the algorithm itself, and language/runtime-specific knowledge

[neat mauve]

Now you tlaking again about bottleneck... that bottleneck may be true... but its not a code snippit we be looking at here then xd

I think we generally agree here.

I compare python being fast as with other languages that are popular and older.

[civic scroll]

we didn't even have the same view from the beginning then

[neat mauve]

go for it 😄 Those reasons are personal/pricate once

[neat mauve]

wdym?

you thinkpython fastest language? o.O

[sharp geyser]

Is this a language war or smth

[civic scroll]

i compared relatively to different implementation variants of the same python program
you compared python itself to other runtimes

[civic scroll]

i lost track
you might want to upgrade my LSTM model after this

[neat mauve]

tldr: arguing if we should argue about python being fast in different contexts and making sidequests to get things cleared as what cases we really mean and agree on.... in the end we both do not want ayone thinking wrong about python as the people starting the debate here seemed to have not clearly stated what they compare so it could look like python is either crap or good to others reading

[neat mauve]

Thats the main point of this conversaton. yes

[civic scroll]

but then python could be the fastest language

[neat mauve]

I do not try to proof a point

I try to convince others to NOT talk about python when it comes to performance

[civic scroll]

we already have type hints

[neat mauve]

the thing that you try to do

its just because we public

and others dont know shit

[civic scroll]

my point was that it was never python in the first place
it was rather the operations itself

[neat mauve]

and its too complicated for others to understand

[oak plank]

السلام عليكم

[civic scroll]

and well "others" only concern the active party that are related to the question
as long as the one who asks understands, i don't see a problem
we can choose to explain, if other wish to know

[neat mauve]

your LSTM is good xd maybe decreae the decay rate lool

[civic scroll]

so if we have type hints, you can technically compile python

feed it to LLVM

and bam

[neat mauve]

So we talking about algorithms and or small operations and not anymore about python? xd

[civic scroll]

i mean it's both and none right?
there are two kinds of opts, and one of which doesn't really care about what it runs on

[neat mauve]

'others' => anyone reading... this includes kids who dont know sht xd There is way more stakeholders that need to be taken into account

[civic scroll]

nah that doesn't concern me

at least for me

if one doesn't know, one can ask

[neat mauve]

and viewing in reality people wouldnt ask to explain mostly... but i hope you know that already... and dont want to dig down on those reasons... so thats... not how it works...

[civic scroll]

what?

if you don't want answers, what's the point of asking?

one asks because one wish to learn more about the very thing one asks for
(unless i get your message incorrectly)

[neat mauve]

with the knowledge i got from the social activity i had and all experiences. I say no. PEople wish to have others ask. but thats not true. they do not accept that they do not ask. especially people in the area of informatics tend to not understand social actions/emotions /interactions and all very well. thus they are most likely assuming people will just ask. but thats a fatal assumption. They will most likely NOT ask. especially NOt if it gets to complicated

[civic scroll]

i'd say their lost
we can only assume so much about possible intentions

[neat mauve]

no one talked about not answering? o.O

also someone asking or not doesnt make the point of asking obsolet

wtf

[sharp geyser]

Right, now to talk about whether or not asm is good

[civic scroll]

if someone doesn't ask, there are a bazillion reasons as to why that action was taken

we will never know

[neat mauve]

you ask because you feel the need to ask and you asking because you encouraged to do so any you are feeling confident about understanding the answer and not being shy and 100 other reasons that come into account here

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[civic scroll]

good for

[sharp geyser]

We need to make roller coaster tycoon 3

[neat mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

you authistic?

[neat mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[civic scroll]

again, we can't take actions for em

we don't even know who's looking at the chat rn, let alone their intentions

[neat mauve]

Thats the point where you be looking at the small details

[civic scroll]

use MSIL for easier time (at least it allows you do to procedure decl)

[neat mauve]

and you assuming the world around you acts like you... and shall act like you. you do not take repsonsibility for what you dont want to see

rather then seeing the whole picture

[sharp geyser]

Is this turning into a philosophy lesson tf

[neat mauve]

its okay

[civic scroll]

the main point is to explaining to the one who asks
putting them in words that 3rd party can understand, is good, but it's extra

it appears that you overthink

[neat mauve]

No

[neat mauve]

yes and no.

[civic scroll]

yes.

[neat mauve]

viewpoint: you refue to think further

xd

Bro refuses xd

[civic scroll]

i think based on what i see

[neat mauve]

just simply refuses

[civic scroll]

[neat mauve]

yeah... but you right. i am overthinking things..

[civic scroll]

perhaps you think so much further that your words clipped out of bounds

[neat mauve]

probbaly. you are probably right

[civic scroll]

don't think for what you can't see
saves your head some power

i tried the same before and ended up not doing anything

i might appear like an ignorant (insert profanity here) to you, but that's what i see

[sharp geyser]

Im like genuinely confused

[civic scroll]

you are not alone

i'm the main participant and i'm very perflexed

anyway if you are interested in roller coaster tycoon 3 in asm, i'd recommend MSIL
someone made a horror maze game with it

[neat mauve]

yeah, that doesnt help anyone... not even the company i need to lead with 5 employees which is suffering from decisions where i do not take into account all stakeholders and yet i got virtually no control of the cash income and or mood of anyone, only by complex thinking... let alone other things i got to manage besides that....

So yeah. I am definitely overthinking this here and should stop. and save power for other things. But it was fun talking to you ❤️

[neat mauve]

mhhm thats a bummer.. I feel sorry for you :c

Good thing is that i do not overthink this hard and get lots more work done then anyone else and building a stable basis at virtually anything i touch. Maybe you thought to hard :c

[civic scroll]

it was a thought-provoking conversation yes, my kudos to you

[civic scroll]

if i thought too hard this convo wouldn't begin

have a nice day, and may your company prosper

[radiant kraken]

so happy to see you bring positivity everywhere sis

[earnest phoenix]

@radiant kraken is rust being dumb or me?

then i remove and obviously

nvm, it was me

could've said i forgot the #[cfg(test)]

[radiant kraken]

lol

[quartz kindle]

yeah but i dont see the point of it

i dont understand those tagged functions shit at all lol

[radiant kraken]

how did i never know this 😭

this is actually really useful

it's like python or rust's r'thing\escaped'

[neon vault]

‘

[frosty gale]

yeah its very helpful if for example you have text that has backslashes in it, js will by default escape it but sometimes you dont want that

using string raw lets you paste it in and JS will treat them as literal backslashes so helpful in windows paths for example

sort of a developer only helpful thing

[earnest phoenix]

@radiant kraken i think i am doing too many things in threads?

oh lmao understood the chunks() method wrongly, woops

thought it would create 8 chunks of equal number of elements

but it creates x chunks of 8 elements

so i created like 450+ threads instead of the 8 i wanted for testing

[frosty gale]

linux when you try to open more than 1024 files at the same time 😠 😠

[civic scroll]

iirc you can override limit

[radiant kraken]

@civic scroll @pearl trail @covert gale @earnest phoenix the ultimate rust experience

[civic scroll]

so much memory safe

[small tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028729482057613403/1040650603996647434/IMG_2444.gif

[earnest phoenix]

hell yeh

[earnest phoenix]

yeah with ulimit but not ideal

[small tangle]

i love exact file format descriptions: "The first few bytes store metadata [...]" what is few??

[sharp geyser]

probably the first 4

[knotty belfry]

What's the api to get auth token for top.gg

[lyric mountain]

none

the whole idea behind oauth2 is literally requiring human approval

[shut cobalt]

where can i ask for someone to make me a discord bot?

[gilded plank]

@shut cobalt

You seem to be asking for something you don't have experience for or something that hasn't been done yet, but really need for your bot/server.
You can hire developers from Fiverr or Freelancer to code the things you need for your bot/server.

[ionic schooner]

love to see it

ngl rust is too safe

[solemn latch]

I feel like thats the point of rust

[radiant kraken]

r/programmerhumor ahh post

[turbid crest]

Hello i hava a question im using discord hybrid sharding and now top gg displays me 145 servers but my bot has 430 servers when i remove sharding its working how can i fix that i need to use await client.cluster.broadcastEval('this.users.cache.size'); to get the total guilds?

[frail tinsel]

Only showing my own personal information but I love making these kinds of programs.

[earnest phoenix]

Looks privacy invasive, congrats

[frail tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-bob-esponja-gif-25089940

its my admin bot only in my server. its not public.

[earnest phoenix]

Would also propose to make the background red and text yellow though

Will be as readable as now

[frail tinsel]

yellow?

ill give that a go

[earnest phoenix]

Don't forget the red background

[frail tinsel]

im tryna squint as hard as i can this is working

[earnest phoenix]

pog

[frail tinsel]

i opted for white background with yellow text

[earnest phoenix]

even better

[amber rose]

Hello, how do I advertise my application on top.gg for free?

[warm surge]

vote

[amber rose]

And how do I tell people to vote?

[sage bobcat]

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[warm surge]

pretty much what she said

[amber rose]

I find that unethical

Alright, I'll add a command for that

😐

[pearl trail]

that's what most/some bots on topgg use

[pine willow]

Give them rewards (currency etc)

Or lock commands

[bitter granite]

Or hope that they think the bot is really good and they vote them self

[austere linden]

provide perks for voters
ifs its an economy bot, give stuffs on voting
if not, set few commands to only be used by Voters / Patrons (If you have)

[dense glade]

Can anyone give me the node_modules file, please?

[spark flint]

you don't get 'sent' the node_modules folder, you need to run the npm i command in the directory of your bot

[dense glade]

It tells me I have an old version.

[spark flint]

please send a screenshot

[dense glade]

I don't have the folder anymore, I deleted it.

[spark flint]

i meant of the error message saying you have an old version

[dense glade]

I no longer have the error that I was looking for that folder.

[dense glade]

Can someone help me with that folder?

Please

[deft wolf]

Wouldn't it be easier to ask the support of the hosting you use?

[dense glade]

it is on my computer

Can't you give me that folder?

[bitter granite]

No, its something that is generated when you installed a lib

Via npm i

[bitter granite]

Download*

[deft wolf]

node_modules is a folder that contains all the npm packages your project requires. I don't know what packages and versions your project requires, that's why there is a packages.js file where all the packages and their versions are placed. They are then installed automatically using the npm i command

[bitter granite]

1. Go to your folder
2. Open commend prompt
3. Type npm i
4. Enter
5. Wait

-# Note: this assume that you have packages.js ready

[spark flint]

package.json*

[bitter granite]

Packagedotjson

[deft wolf]

🤓

[bitter granite]

If there is an error, please said tell us and we can try help @dense glade

[dense glade]

Can I send you a friend request and when I get home I'll message you? I'm at work and can't really talk.

[bitter granite]

I dont accept friend request, if you need help, you can ask here

[dense glade]

Thank you very much for your understanding.

[dense glade]

it means I don't have package.json ready

[lyric mountain]

did you delete it or smth?

cuz every node project will have one

[dense glade]

I just left the package 'package.json and it gives me these errors

[bitter granite]

Install the module via the step i said

[pine willow]

yessir thats correct!

[sage bobcat]

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[bitter granite]

You know who they are

There is a reason I have it in my fr list

[sage bobcat]

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[bitter granite]

Fr sent

[sage bobcat]

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[crystal wigeon]

has anyone used oracle cloud hosting?

wtf they giving 36 Cpus and 200GB RAM in their free tier

but its arm based tho

[lyric mountain]

do note it's oracle

[wheat mesa]

Yeah you will never actually get one of these though

[quartz kindle]

they canceled my account for no reason and deleted everything i had there

[wheat mesa]

They have a “limited capacity” of those and everyone and their mom is running scripts to snipe them 24/7

[deft wolf]

Sad reality when it comes to free stuff

[crystal wigeon]

Hmm

[earnest phoenix]

Not the only one lmao - happened to me and quite some others I've see that used it

[lyric mountain]

yep, same here

tho in my case it was warranted lmao

got 24h cloudflare ratelimit when I accidentaly caused too many 4xx errors, so I set up a proxy server on oracle's

[quartz kindle]

i had a minecraft server on it

with 0 players most of the time

[pearl trail]

when you don’t know what to host on vps:

[solemn latch]

Lmao, facts

I wonder if mine is still up

[solemn latch]

Thats with usage limits afaik.
Their use as much as you want teir is 1 shared cpu and 1gb of ram.

[crystal wigeon]

scammer?

@solemn latch might wanna ban@abstract raven looks very sus

[solemn latch]

We dont ban for friend requests

[crystal wigeon]

he created his acc on uh 17th nov 2024

jsut letting you know anyway

[warm surge]

ye they invited my bot to their server

so

also they did same thing to me

but @solemn latch is right mods cant ban people because someone sent a friend request

[sage bobcat]

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[bitter granite]

Isnt it an edit mention

[sage bobcat]

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[surreal sage]

hi chat

trying to set up

next auth and trpc

and i keep getting this zzz error and idk how to fix it

it's beautiful I know

nevermind

transpilePackages: ["next-auth"],

[frosty gale]

rust users realising the language doesn't protect them from race conditions or bad code

https://tenor.com/view/miserable-crying-sad-tears-black-guy-gif-12326280655494835815

[earnest phoenix]

unwrap them all

[frosty gale]

unwrap is great

it forces you to face the fact youre choosing not to handle a possible error properly

[quartz kindle]

and wrap it back with js

[prime cliff]

Wooo fully working roles and permission system

[lyric mountain]

add some dividers lul

but looking neat already

[prime cliff]

Dividers where? XD

[errant wave]

Hello 🤗

[neat mauve]

for discord? like just wrapping that permissions system of discord to your own layout? 😄 or what is it used for?

Django comes into my mind to achieve this with little effort ^^

[prime cliff]

For my own website project

Django is ok at best but i don't really want clutter

🙂

A bunch of developer tools and server/docker management

[lyric mountain]

between the items

unless that's a text box

[prime cliff]

:/ very informative

[lyric mountain]

h

I'm bad at straight lines

[prime cliff]

The magnifier glass is a search box

Ah that yea i could do something like a slight background with space or something

[neat mauve]

Im not a webdev 😄 Just touching in here and there ^^
But I havent felt like django is clutter. :c
Though its pretty fast to setup! 😄

[prime cliff]

It wouldn't really work well with how custom i made this anyway

Asp.net identity, mongodb, outh support and 2FA with webauthn support too

[neat mauve]

looks nice!

couldnt do better with django nor anythign else ngl

[pearl trail]

@radiant kraken is yew good?

or you got any recommendations

[radiant kraken]

ye

[pearl trail]

oke

[radiant kraken]

you're learning rust??

[pearl trail]

nah

[radiant kraken]

so pro

[pearl trail]

nah

[radiant kraken]

now you dont have a reason to call me pro anymore

[pearl trail]

wdym

rust is hard

[radiant kraken]

nah

at least you dont have to style things visually in rust 😔

[halcyon igloo]

ㅎㅇ

어

머고

누구세요들

[pearl trail]

annyeong

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[eternal osprey]

yews???

[pearl trail]

https://yew.rs

[frail tinsel]

not to be confused with
https://runescape.wiki/w/Yew

[solemn latch]

I was confused, thanks

[bitter granite]

Thanks

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[frail tinsel]

😂

[real rose]

jokes on you, confusion is my natural state.

[warm surge]

jokes on you, confusion is my daily

[lament rock]

jokes on me

what?

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/owTZgWbKoEj.gif

[surreal sage]

holy shit

io operations in node

are so bad

10 minutes to do something

write it in go

and invoke from node

done in 10 seconds

bye

[wheat mesa]

That’s either a problem with how you’re doing the IO ops or a “this is too much data to process” problem, in which case that’s not an IO problem

[surreal sage]

38141378 times 2 ish operations

.<

[lament rock]

@surreal sage are you using fs promises, fs sync or fs write/read streams

it all heavily depends on how you're doing it. reading and writing data in a loop with either fs promises or fs sync would be the slowest but most memory efficient. Doing a Promise.all would be the fastest but take the most memory and using fs write streams could be a good balance assuming you manage how many ops you're trying to do depending on data size

nodejs actually has really good IO and I use node as a backend for my website and wherever possible, I use fs read streams and pipe those to the response body

[neon leaf]

Fully agree, read streams are crazy fast

They can easily fill my 10gbit network without issue

[lament rock]

I am writing the most cursed number logic known to man

Writing a pure JS lib for essentially 64bit floats and the way it works is how a normal human would do arithmetic

Will have all the js operators support (in the form of class members)
think BigFloat(1).add(1000).mult(2).pow(2).div(5).sub(10)
(also supports modulus, but wanted a cool output which is 801590.8)

This only shows regular numbers, but the base would be able to exceed the Number.MAX_SAFE_INTEGER and reasonably any limit on the max number representable by BigInt as it's backed by strings, but has a hard cap on the precision of the mantissa of 16 characters.
Can convert int, float, bigint, string and undefined to this intermediary representation. string obv gotta be in the format of an int or a float

Performance might be ass so I don't expect to use it for anything other than what I intend which is my bots economy to calculate any final value from multipliers.
It's already overflowed the max safe int a long time ago

[sharp geyser]

Can someone explain to me what an ECS is and how its used? I've looked at several sources online but no one seems to be able to really give a good explanation on how its used, but rather how to implement one yourself

Im still confused on topics like, how to use a ECS to interact with game logic, like unity for example.

They have game objects, or UI, or anything physically in the game, but that doesn't make it an Entity, it only becomes an entity when you "spawn" it with DOTS.

Problem is I dont understand how to interact with the game world, from the ECS "world". This goes for any engine with an ecs as well, I dont get how you are meant to mesh the two. Since it seems to me an entity is meant to be separate from this "game world", and not have any actual behaviour

[dry topaz]

I am going to be adding my bot to your website directory but in the step 2 create your bot listing it has a field "Top.gg Server URL" what is this as I can not find anything on the site about these servers?

[deft wolf]

You can ignore it

This is an optional field and previously allowed you to add a server that was listed on top.gg to your bot's page, but the servers were removed from top.gg

[pearl trail]

amazon ecs?

[dry topaz]

thank you

[sharp geyser]

No

Entity Component System

[pearl trail]

in unity? or general

[sharp geyser]

In general

[surreal sage]

fs.promises.open

go cpu usage is also better

won't be switching

[wheat mesa]

An entity is just instances of components wrapped up into one object

Components are what provide behavior, the entities themselves can sometimes have some custom behavior, but most of the time they’re just shells for the components to act on

[sharp geyser]

Well yea I understand the basics

but not how to actually use one

[wheat mesa]

Why’s that

The idea is that components are sets of reusable behavior that can be applied to as many or as few entities as you wish

[lyric mountain]

it's basically OOP

[sharp geyser]

Well, take unity for example. You don't have to use their ECS, you can function normally without it.

Though if you use their ECS its not like it replaces everything, its just an addon. You still want to use game objects and such, but not everything is an entity.

So how would I interact with those game objects from the ECS

[wheat mesa]

Game objects are part of unity’s ECS. Their whole engine is centered around ECS

[sharp geyser]

Modify their transform properties, mess with their physics etc etc

[sharp geyser]

Well no, from my understanding game objects are not entities

until you bake them

but either way, im wondering what the role of an ecs is

[wheat mesa]

An ECS is primarily used for performance reasons

Iterating over tons of objects that are not living in contiguous memory blocks is very expensive

[sharp geyser]

How do you interact with say the player from an ecs, without getting all players? Systems I know are a thing, but that seems to function on every thing that has X component(s)

[wheat mesa]

You create a script component that runs a script on the object it’s put on, that’s one solution

That’s Unity’s typical approach

Even scripts in Unity are technically components, that’s why you can drag them onto your game objects

[sharp geyser]

Then how does the ecs know game state?

or more specifically

For example a player takes damage, how does an ecs handle this and update the component data accordingly? As the stuff that happens in the "game world" is separate from the "ecs world". At least from my understanding

[wheat mesa]

Usually the systems are updating every frame, some less than others. The systems are what update components

This is starting to get out of my realm of experience so I don’t want to mislead you on accident lol

[sharp geyser]

Nah its all good

[wheat mesa]

It’s been a hot minute since I’ve done game engine dev

[sharp geyser]

Im honestly probably jumping into the deep end

Im not even trying to make my own engine

just understanding how ecs works so I can apply it in unity or any other engine I end up using

[wheat mesa]

Here’s a good read on the implementation of an ECS, it might give you a better understanding of how it works: https://austinmorlan.com/posts/entity_component_system/

[lyric mountain]

most games have FPS and UPS, the latter is how often game state is updated

[wheat mesa]

Obviously this is massively simple for an ECS, and real ECSs have other problems to solve like signals, events, etc

[lyric mountain]

so there's a secondary thread going over your entities and updating things

usually fixed at 60/s

[sharp geyser]

hm

Honestly

Unity is hard

💀

[lyric mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/sweeping-team-japan-youth-olympic-games-sliding-focus-gif-16123017

imagine this

[wheat mesa]

There’s a point when it just clicks

[lyric mountain]

the scrubbers are the update thread

the sliding thing is the renderer

ecs allows the update thread to be very efficient at running over everything doing calculations

[sharp geyser]

icic

Honestly im just not sure what I should make an entity with DOTS and what not to

[lyric mountain]

waffle had a ship game using ecs iirc

could take a look at it if it's open source

[sharp geyser]

I dont think it was made with unity tho right?

[lyric mountain]

nope, it was raw ecs

[wheat mesa]

You made the ship game :p

I made a different game that sucked ass bc I had to meet deadlines

[lyric mountain]

nah, it didnt suck

[wheat mesa]

You can take a look at my PhysicsSim GitHub though

That one is a very basic ECS implementation stolen from that article

It shows you how systems act upon components and how entities are tied to components

[sharp geyser]

idk if this is a dumb question

but how do I know when I need to make something an entity / component

[wheat mesa]

Entities are just IDs

That’s an oversimplification but in simpler ECS systems, entities are literally implemented as integers

Components are the data associated with an entity

Systems act upon the components to change their state

[lyric mountain]

"Aaron" (the name) is the entity, yourself as a person is the component

[wheat mesa]

Entity = object
Components = instance variables
Systems = methods

If you want to think about it in terms of OOP, this is a decent analogy

[sharp geyser]

I see

So my player would be an Entity, and Health, Stamina would be Components and then i'd have systems that act on these components?

[wheat mesa]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

Well

Then when im querying for the Health component, how do I not accidentally get enemies if I want to only get the player

cause enemies also have health

would I make Enemy and Player components (or just Enemy) to better differentiate?

[wheat mesa]

You can query components for only a specific entity in some implementations I’m sure

I’m not entirely sure how you’re “supposed” to do it, since I haven’t done enough of that to really explain it well

[sharp geyser]

ic

I will continue my research then

[lyric mountain]

the player would be linked to the controller itself, or you could check only for instances of Player

like, class Player extends Actor and class Enemy extends Actor

actor would be whatever is shared between both, like life, stamina, gear, etc

[wheat mesa]

I think usually this is why scripting starts to get involved

[prime cliff]

Audit logs with nice filtering and extra info

[sharp geyser]

I see thanks

[eternal osprey]

Heeya, yall favourite cat is back

const voiceChannel = interaction.member?.voice.channel;

    const connection = joinVoiceChannel({
      channelId: voiceChannel.id,
      guildId: interaction.guild.id,
      adapterCreator: interaction.guild.voiceAdapterCreator,
    });

    const player = createAudioPlayer();
    const resource = createAudioResource(
      path.join(__dirname, "./music/audio.mp3")
    );

    player.play(resource);
    connection.subscribe(player);

    player.on("error", (error) => {
      console.error(`Audio player error: ${error.message}`);
    });

the bot joins, no errors, yet no music playing

[untold vortex]

An error occurred while interacting with the Top.gg API.

[warm surge]

403 means you are not allowed to use the API without a auth token

[untold vortex]

i have auth token

[untold vortex]

can i send the code with token here?

[warm surge]

you dont, you dont have aproved bot in topgg

[untold vortex]

i have

[warm surge]

no

[untold vortex]

https://top.gg/bot/1016392200516550736

[warm surge]

https://top.gg/bot/1016392200516550736/webhooks try resetting the token then

[untold vortex]

ok

[sharp geyser]

[deft wolf]

Commandd

[sharp geyser]

if not a prefix I wonder what you use

[lament rock]

[sharp geyser]

slash commands? mentioning?

[lament rock]

Thats weird. Just write the command straight up

Though that's awful design. People could trigger the bot unintentionally

[deft wolf]

The power of your mind. You think about the bot using a command and it does it

[sharp geyser]

ong

need a nerualink to use it

oh god

[deft wolf]

Hell nah

[sharp geyser]

💀

[solemn latch]

Theres a lot of bots that do this, my favorite ones dont filter out bots messages.

[sharp geyser]

get two of em, and cause a loop

[solemn latch]

IIRC there was a bot a long time ago in the bot reviewing server that responded to another bots commands.

[sharp geyser]

[solemn latch]

yeah

[warm surge]

Bruh

[warm surge]

ok

@sharp geyser that bot got over 400 servers

[sharp geyser]

ok?

[warm surge]

just imagine saying helo me guys and the bot responded first before the boys

hell na

yea that will be annoying thing

[radiant kraken]

[pearl trail]

[deft wolf]

The funniest thing is that it looks like their website is 1:1 the website of another bot

They even forgot to remove the link to their Patreon

[untold vortex]

no prefix means

[brazen violet]

anyone know why my bot description looks weird in top.gg but looks fine any other html preview?

any reasons for it to be happening?

[untold vortex]

using prefix cmds without using prefix
t!

[sharp geyser]

I know what it means

[pearl trail]

hmm

fake server count?

it is listed as it is in 806 servers while the actual one is 422

idk idc

[deft wolf]

https://tenor.com/bRhDRqOLriS.gif

[warm surge]

all the server counts been off,

but

tf

[brazen violet]

Anyone can help me? Why this looks different in top.gg bot description?

[lyric mountain]

prefixless commands is asking for trouble

[warm surge]

indeed

[lyric mountain]

image for comparison please

[frosty gale]

?help in #commands

[lyric mountain]

I must not

[lament rock]

Slash commands are the greatest thing to grace bots

[surreal sage]

scale from 1 to 10 how badly do i want to kill myself: 10

[prime cliff]

Making some really good progress

[raven nexus]

is there any module recommand to do TTS?

[lament rock]

-1 since it's just an eslint error. Follow your eslint rules!

[lament rock]

Idk any myself, but it'd be helpful to mention which language you're using and if you expect like a lib or a standalone self hostable api or something similar

[raven nexus]

I use js

I have try the google tts but I scare when upload to the host and it won't work

[eternal osprey]

hey is there a way to check if a song is copyrighted?

[surreal sage]

3 minutes of my life wasted

[pearl trail]

do better next time /j

[lyric mountain]

discord tts or tts in general?

[raven nexus]

Tts in general @lyric mountain

[lyric mountain]

well, there are quite a bunch of options out there, you could select 4 or 5 and give them a try

[surreal sage]

dependabot my opp

[prime cliff]

https://devspace.fluxpoint.dev/teams/fluxpoint/settings how is this demo of a project i'm making?
Done a bunch of work on the team settings stuff, roles list is missing though.

[sharp geyser]

Is this like portainer

[prime cliff]

Server, docker, website and project management with other dev tools so yea a bit like portainer but more features and control 🙂

Portainers roles and access sucks and other annoying things

[sharp geyser]

Sounds cool

[pearl trail]

there's no more <@!user_id> in discord's message?