development

[quartz kindle]

imagine you give a person 70000 str, but instead the person gets 5k int and str resets to 0

:^)

[lyric mountain]

oh, right, I kinda messed up there

[sharp geyser]

I was planning on giving like 4 - 6

[scenic kelp]

can't believe i don't even have the exact integer size limits memorized :(

[lyric mountain]

2.147 is the only part I remember

[wheat mesa]

Unsigned is 65536

For 16 but

[scenic kelp]

i know unsigned just not signed

[wheat mesa]

Bit*

[scenic kelp]

-32728 or some bullshit

[lyric mountain]

what about xp scalling formula?

[scenic kelp]

-32768 to 32767

[sharp geyser]

-32768 to 32767

[sharp geyser]

Good question, no idea yet

[quartz kindle]

the fun thing about rpg games is crazy minmaxing, when people do crazy ass combos and accidentally surpass the number limits of the game lmao

[sharp geyser]

I try not to think about the math

[scenic kelp]

clearly two's complement is a flawed notation since we get one more negative than positive

[sharp geyser]

I want it to be challenging to level up at higher levels

[scenic kelp]

back to one's complement pleade

[sharp geyser]

but not so much so people stop playing

[lyric mountain]

you'll inevitably have a soft cap somewhere along the way

where levelling up requires so much xp that it's effectively the limit

[quartz kindle]

ever played maplestory? their exp system is so fucked up they changed it dozens of times over the years

[sharp geyser]

Unless I scale the xp you get from higher tier monsters alongside it

but even that might be a problem

[scenic kelp]

realistically there's little point to not just use int32s right off the bat if you want the flexibility

[lyric mountain]

there's also the problem that your maximum xp is capped by whatever value type you use for storing it

[scenic kelp]

oh no player stats are 256 bytes instead of 32

[lyric mountain]

so you cant go on forever

[wheat mesa]

I mean bigint can store arbitrarily large quantities

[scenic kelp]

using a long would basically be forever

[lyric mountain]

yes, but if levelling gets harder each time that means it'll grow faster with each new level

[scenic kelp]

give players an official scorecard and get them to keep track of their xp

[sharp geyser]

I will just ise i128

[scenic kelp]

oh yeah rust has a 128 bit int doesn't it

[sharp geyser]

340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 unsigned

[lyric mountain]

rust, c/c++ and java are the only ones I know that do

[quartz kindle]

ever played idle games? they regularly go into those numbers

[sharp geyser]

yea

[scenic kelp]

are there even any instructions for 128 bit integers

[quartz kindle]

doesnt AVX support 512 bit?

[lyric mountain]

but well, going back to topic, I seriously suggest you basing your power fantasy around gear, instead of levels

[scenic kelp]

probably but it'd be assumed that's for SIMD no

[sharp geyser]

Just remove levels entirely?

[runic prism]

h

[lyric mountain]

if levels are given like candy then it either becomes stale after some time or requirements become so absurdly high that newcomers need to farm for a long time to catch up

and it gets worse the longer it goes

[lyric mountain]

no, keep then ofc but dont base the entire character power around it

rpg is about loot, not afk farming for levels

[sharp geyser]

idk man

Skyrim was pretty level heavy

You had to be certain levels to go anywhere

[quartz kindle]

the greatest feeling a player can get in an rpg game is achieving a way to be stronger than people who are higher level than them, either through strategy or through gear

[sharp geyser]

fair enough

I still think imposing limits on gear is a good idea

[lyric mountain]

not really, you can go anywhere from level 1

[sharp geyser]

like requiring certain stats to use it

[lyric mountain]

also, the only things that redeems skyrim are modability and story

[sharp geyser]

:o

[lyric mountain]

same for fallout series

[sharp geyser]

Skyrim is a god tier game

Same with fallout

I liked everything about fallout & skyrim

except fallout 76

that shit can burn in the deepest pits of hell

[quartz kindle]

in maplestory money is king, with enough money you can make lower leveled gear that is multiple times stronger than higher leveled gear

[lyric mountain]

they are, but that's because of those 2 things

[sharp geyser]

I plan on making currency an important aspect as well

Who knows, might even make a p2w system /j

[lyric mountain]

loot in skyrim is awful and you can get capped in a few hours spamming iron daggers

[quartz kindle]

also even with money, maxing gear is 100% rng lmao

[lyric mountain]

but it has great roleplay potential, and mods help it a lot

[sharp geyser]

I liked skyrim before I even discovered mods

the story was nice, and its mechanics at the time was amazing

They def fucked up in a lot of places caused I abused the fuck out of glitches in that game

but hey we dont talk bout that

[lyric mountain]

you're missing the point

[quartz kindle]

you're pointing the miss

[sharp geyser]

Nah I understand you haku

I think anyway

[quartz kindle]

which game has the most complex and extensive gear upgrade system?

[sharp geyser]

hm

[lyric mountain]

you need to have something people chase after, lest it falls into a spiral of mindless farming

like 99% of the mmos

[sharp geyser]

I want to introduce some type of grind though

If its just an easy walk thats even more boring

[lyric mountain]

you can sum any mmo to "afk market & rmt"

[quartz kindle]

you cant go wrong with grind+rng

[lyric mountain]

with few exceptions

[quartz kindle]

grind a bit, spend it on rng upgrades, if you're lucky you get strong af, if not you grind more or quit

:^)

[sharp geyser]

idk, i'll think about more of this later

I have to go eat breaky

[rustic nova]

yoo minecraft coordinates

[quartz kindle]

gearing in maplestory lmao

theres like 5 different upgrading systems

[civic scroll]

smells like p2w

[lyric mountain]

gearing in poe

[civic scroll]

what the hell are these stats

[quartz kindle]

the game essentially split into two categories, the original servers and the "heroic" servers
the original servers are 100% p2w, the heroic servers are 100% grind

[lyric mountain]

sec lemme get the actual stats, pobbin doesnt show weapon stats

[civic scroll]

oh

[quartz kindle]

most people play on heroic

[civic scroll]

at least that's good

[civic scroll]

peak webdev

[quartz kindle]

in the heroic servers, trading is fully disabled

there is no way to buy/sell gear

every single person has to grind their own gear

[civic scroll]

grinding, literally

[civic scroll]

reminded me of fully-enchanted minecraft sword

[lyric mountain]

mind you, this is the build that previously crashed my gpu driver

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[civic scroll]

"it's so powerful my pc couldn't handle it"

[lyric mountain]

indeed

[civic scroll]

@quartz kindle i need math help

[quartz kindle]

no

[lyric mountain]

had to reduce my dps because it was becoming unplayable

[civic scroll]

i wanted to draw a line

with some wobble deviation

random wobbles

[quartz kindle]

how does increasing dps increase the lag

does it add screen effects?

[civic scroll]

like the line isn't perfectly straight

[civic scroll]

certainly

[civic scroll]

but large numbers

😔

[quartz kindle]

in maplestory all it does is make the numbers bigger xd

[civic scroll]

every mmo ever

if your basic attack damage isn't 7 numbers, why are we even talking

[lyric mountain]

you see, this build is based around clearing full screens with obscene projectile count

aka "5way carry"

[quartz kindle]

15 years ago, the damage cap was 999k and people would regularly deal 20k per second, today people regularly run around dealing 100b per second

[quartz kindle]

ah makes sense xd

[civic scroll]

what the fuck

[lyric mountain]

thing is, each projectile split into like 8 projectiles, each applied on-hit effects and could hit twice (they returned after reaching end of path)

I attacked about 10 times per second

computers dont like when a million things are happening every game tick

oh also the projectiles made an explosion after landing, which each individually applied damage and effects

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

yeah designing a game around projectiles is not a very good idea

[lyric mountain]

found one of the images I sent to my friend during that league

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

jesus christ

[lyric mountain]

another

same place, a few moments later

[quartz kindle]

maplestory in 2007 vs maplestory now:

[rustic nova]

this looks intense wtf

[lyric mountain]

if you squint hard enough you might see a qr code in the second image lul

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

maplestory bosses hp table

[quartz kindle]

how do you even play that lmao

[quartz kindle]

no idea, i guess you'd have to add random curves to the path no? like line to X, curve to Y, line to Z, curve to N, idk

with randomized curve values

bezier curves etc

g2g take my mom to dentist

[civic scroll]

right

[sharp geyser]

wtf

[lyric mountain]

well, tbf that was a higly juiced content called simulacrum, and my build was one of the most effect-intensive in the game

actual game is more tame unless you go for it

bossing on this league's build for example

[sharp geyser]

@lyric mountain @quartz kindle how exactly does math work when using hex representation?

Suppose I was using 16 or 32 bit ints, what would that look like?

[lyric mountain]

Works the same way

[sharp geyser]

would it be something like

0003 0003 0003 0003
STR  INT  VIT  DEX

[lyric mountain]

Ah, bitwise then

[sharp geyser]

and then I would

(3 >> (0 * 16)) & 0xFF

[lyric mountain]

You need to isolate the groups, then do whatever you need with them

[sharp geyser]

to add 3 to STR

Im not very familiar with hex & bit math

[lyric mountain]

Hex is just a notation, what you're doing is bitwise

[sharp geyser]

Idk what hex is tbh

[lyric mountain]

Base 16

[sharp geyser]

I know it uses base - 16

but thats about it

[lyric mountain]

Hex is base 16

Hexadecimal

You got everything correctly there, the only thing missing is to return the number to the bitfield

[sharp geyser]

How do I return it back to the bitfield making sure I dont fuck up and update the wrong one

[civic scroll]

well, it's as simple as

stats += 3 >> (16 * 3)

iirc

oh wait

[lyric mountain]

Nope, you need to mask out current bits

[sharp geyser]

3 >> 12?

wait what

[civic scroll]

wym

bitwise right

i thought just adding is enough

i'm confused

[sharp geyser]

I am also a bit confused

[lyric mountain]

stats &= ~(0xFF << (index * 8)) to zero the current value in that index

[sharp geyser]

Cuz im not sure how bitwise math works

[lyric mountain]

Then you stats |= value << (index * 8)

To apply the value

[sharp geyser]

[lyric mountain]

Also, it's 8 not 16

16 is 65535

[civic scroll]

ah so mask as in to not accidentally mess up the other values right

[lyric mountain]

I mathed wrong back then

[sharp geyser]

would 8 not be lower?

Limiting the amount of stats they can have?

[lyric mountain]

That step is important to clear the place so you don't get dangling bits

It you simply add then it'll keep previous bits

[lyric mountain]

8 is 255 max

If u want 65535 max then use 16

But then you're limited to 4 stats

[sharp geyser]

hm

I just don't want to make 255 the hard cap

I plan on extending this game bot for a while

and introducing new mobs to fight at later dates

[lyric mountain]

If you're fine with 4 different stats then u can use 16

[sharp geyser]

which can be stronger, and would require more power

[lyric mountain]

But do note, stats aren't power

[sharp geyser]

Why would using 16 make it a hard cap on 4 stats?

[lyric mountain]

1 STR doesn't need to mean 1 damage

[sharp geyser]

Well yea

[lyric mountain]

It can be a multiplier for gear damage for example

[sharp geyser]

I know

Im just saying at a certain point 255 will be a limiter

[lyric mountain]

Because i64 is 8 bytes

16 bits is 2 bytes

So 8 / 2

[sharp geyser]

I see

[lyric mountain]

If you use i128 u can fit 8 stats

[civic scroll]

just use u128

[sharp geyser]

bet

[lyric mountain]

Oh, also

[sharp geyser]

[lyric mountain]

Use unsigned yeah

[sharp geyser]

Im not sure what kind of stats I want

I mean there is your typical RPG stats

but im not trying to make your typical rpg

[civic scroll]

you can look at dnd

[sharp geyser]

I dislike dnd

[civic scroll]

actually no

[lyric mountain]

SPECIAL

[civic scroll]

first, what's your game about

[sharp geyser]

Defeat bad guys :D

[civic scroll]

you need a theme in which your content will revolve around

[sharp geyser]

im kidding

[civic scroll]

are there any twists to it

[quartz kindle]

thats a pretty cool skill system

[lyric mountain]

Essential stats are just strength, dexterity and intelligence tbh

Perhaps luck

[sharp geyser]

What even is dexterity

I havent really seen that stat before

[civic scroll]

"accuracy" / "flexibility"

[lyric mountain]

Ability to use weapons that aren't just swing a hunk of metal around

Bows and dagger for example

[sharp geyser]

so basically how accurately can you hit

[civic scroll]

usually, it's "accuracy"

[sharp geyser]

higher dex = higher accuracy

[lyric mountain]

Also evasion

Chance not to be hit

Because it doesn't make sense for a thief to be a tank

[solemn latch]

That can often be agility

[sharp geyser]

tbh, I might spend a few days just writing out the lore for the game

[solemn latch]

These things often change depending on the game

[sharp geyser]

and work up a product sheet of sorts of the different things I want to do and include

[quartz kindle]

offmeta builds are cool tho

[sharp geyser]

I have a draft

but its not really fleshed out

[lyric mountain]

Yep, part of why I got into the game

[quartz kindle]

people will find them and build them

[sharp geyser]

I want people to realisitcally do whatever they want

find their own playstyle

Want to be a magic thief? Go for it

[lyric mountain]

Yes, but I mean if you were to spec into a fast assassin

[sharp geyser]

Want to be a tank, thief mage? sure why not

[lyric mountain]

It'd make no sense to tank hits

[civic scroll]

what the fuck

[lyric mountain]

You'd instead be fast enough not to be hit

[sharp geyser]

[sharp geyser]

Yea crazy ik

but I dont want to limit people

[civic scroll]

sure, magic thief is a thing

[sharp geyser]

Let them come up with their own build style

[civic scroll]

but tank speed?

nah

misty the thing is

[sharp geyser]

It was an example to the absurdity I want to allow.

[civic scroll]

if you up VIT, you can't really up EVA

[sharp geyser]

I want to see how many people can break the game

[civic scroll]

and otherwise

i mean they can do that

[quartz kindle]

maplestory used to have secondary stats, like for example a warrior would put points into both str and dex, because warrior gear had a small dex requirement
but then people figured out if they did not use dex at all, even with lower level gear their dmg would still be better, so people started doing pure stat builds and broke the game lmao

[civic scroll]

but then the build wouldn't be as effective as dedicated thief / paladin

[sharp geyser]

Thats up to them to decide sayu

[lyric mountain]

On a better example, if you're a DEX oriented character it'd make no sense to spec into VIT if it doesn't synergize with your gear/skills

You'd be worse than a VIT oriented class

If bows scale with DEX, you'd spec into DEX

[sharp geyser]

Well ima just write up lore and such for now

[lyric mountain]

So by having a defense layer also scale with it you give archers some way not to die every fight

[sharp geyser]

That way I have a clear path

[quartz kindle]

typical rpg progression
level 1: kill rats
level 999: kill god

[sharp geyser]

Oh btw

[lyric mountain]

Level 1: grunt
Level 999: mafia boss

[sharp geyser]

I was planning on having people be born with curses and buffs

As when you start the game you're essentially being born into the world

[lyric mountain]

Beware bad rng

[quartz kindle]

people will just delete and remake their characters untill they get what they want

[sharp geyser]

I wont allow deleting

Gotta die

L

[quartz kindle]

people will make new discord accounts

[sharp geyser]

bozo

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

Double this

[sharp geyser]

More traffic for me

[lyric mountain]

A bad rng would softlock you

[sharp geyser]

Ima be real haku

I understand that

but I without some sort of bad rng

the game is boring

There has to be a risk

[quartz kindle]

but bad rng should be eventual, not permanent

[sharp geyser]

Its not like you are stuck with the curses

[lyric mountain]

And the player should choose between safe or high reward

Like, you get a small loot OR you risk a curse and get better loot

[sharp geyser]

Ima give them a chance to determine if they want to

They can roll for a buff or a debuff when they are born

If they got the debuff, well sucks to suck you took the chance

They knew the risk and went for it

[quartz kindle]

that will discoruage them to play the game tho

[sharp geyser]

They don't have to roll

They can skip it

[quartz kindle]

yeah but its not a very welcoming start if you go for it and lose

people can just give up on the game

[sharp geyser]

Again, thats their fault

[quartz kindle]

you lose a player tho

[sharp geyser]

Im willing to lose a player

The game will be a lot about risks. You guys may think its bad rng, but there's lots of people who tryhard grindy games that have a risk factor

If the game was easy, no one would play it

[quartz kindle]

people play the shit out of idle games

people like to feel rewarded, they like high reward and relatively low risk

they like the illusion of accomplishment

[neon leaf]

high number = more play

[sharp geyser]

Sure

But I dislike games like that

Im not making an idle game

There will be some "idle" aspects at some point, but to actually progress you need to work for it.

If it was a smooth sailing then people will start to get bored

It will come too easy

They will progress through and eventually reach an "end"

[quartz kindle]

everytime they reach an end, add a new impossible to beat boss

:^)

[sharp geyser]

I'd much rather make it harder to progress period

Introduce some risks, let them decide if they want to take them

If they do, thats their own fault if it turns out bad.

[quartz kindle]

fun fact, every boss in maplestory was once impossible to beat given the available skills/gear at its time of inception

[solemn latch]

Which is pretty smart 😄

I'm sure its a huge event when those things come out

[sharp geyser]

I guess I am out of the norm with game development and design

I don't want to make an easy game, I also don't want to make it impossible to beat

[lyric mountain]

there are 2 niches of gamers

those who like to gamble for power/like difficulty and casual players

targeting both would be impossible, so choose one and focus on it

[sharp geyser]

Im targeting both audiences haku

Im not forcing them to take the risk

they can perfectly get by without doing so

[lyric mountain]

targeting both makes the game bland

[sharp geyser]

but those who choose to take the risk can get something good, or something bad

I can't make everyone happy haku

So its either I target both audiences in an attempt

or I target one audience

[quartz kindle]

and among those hardcore players there are two different types as well, the min-maxers and the git gud gang

[sharp geyser]

You guys are basically telling me to target the casual gamers

but casual gamers are boring

they smell

[lyric mountain]

not really, you can target hardcore gamers too

just make sure they have something to chase after

[sharp geyser]

You literally just said it makes it bland

💀

[lyric mountain]

bland if you focus on both

[quartz kindle]

easy

make 3 games in one

[lyric mountain]

it becomes d4

[quartz kindle]

an mmorpg with monster hunting, commerce, farming and beauty contests

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/bBlUo.gif

Im not making 3 games in one

[sharp geyser]

Well

[lyric mountain]

tried too hard to have depth and to be simple for beginners that it ended up as deep as a puddle

[sharp geyser]

I was already planning on doing something like that

but idk if thats really 3 games in one

Ima just write up the lore and game design document

and present it to you hardcore gamers

and let you guys give me feedback off that

As it stands rn idk if you guys exactly understand what im trying to make here, understandably since im all over the place

[lyric mountain]

sure

[lyric mountain]

btw come play at friday, new league is coming soon

[sharp geyser]

is poe still popular?

I swear that game is old asf

or wait I might be thinking of smth else

[lyric mountain]

it's the most popular arpg

followed by last epoch and d4

[sharp geyser]

a rpg?

[lyric mountain]

arpg

action rpg

[sharp geyser]

Ah

[lyric mountain]

aka slash & loot

[sharp geyser]

So basically

Fight and dash

[lyric mountain]

spent the last 3 days planning what I'll build, got a few ready for league start

[quartz kindle]

never played it, but looks interesting

[lyric mountain]

this is a good league for starting cuz they just added exchange market, so you skip the tediousness of DMming a hundred people to buy stuff

it aint very hard, it just has some cultural shock if you're used to traditional rpgs

[past field]

correct

[lyric mountain]

you can defer it

that'll extend the interaction by 15 minutes

but this is the farthest you can extend to

[solemn latch]

To clarify
That 15 minutes is after the user clicked a button, or sent in a command.

A button can exist for ever and still receive interactions.

@lyric mountain is it bad to use hooks like this?

export function IsolatedTitle({ control }: props) {
  const [title, url] = useWatch({ control, name: ["title", "url"] });
  return <Title title={title} url={url} />;
}

It will have 6-10 hooks to isolate rendering to the specific components that need it. Looking at the results, its a significant performance gain.
Or I can just memo each component, but I've not tested that.

[lyric mountain]

well hooks are technically to be used like that

[solemn latch]

Yeah, okay. Thanks ^-^

[lyric mountain]

the less you have to update on the page the better, be it by reducing calls to hooks or narrowing what hooks update

also your way makes it easier to debug

[sharp geyser]

@lyric mountain Bout to make a custom language just for my rpg

Like they did in the hobbit with elvish

[lyric mountain]

that'll be a bit too complicated no?

[sharp geyser]

It was a joke

but

it would be kind of cool

💀

[solemn latch]

Time to get an AI to make it

^-^

[sharp geyser]

I was playing with the idea of having multiple races

Each race having a different starting stats

Elves have higher INT and DEX

not really going for elves but thats an example

There will be a base starting stat of 3 in each column. Then depending on the race you get an extra boost of stats in a certain column(s)

[sharp geyser]

So I have 4 stats

STR, AGI, DEX, and INT

STR effects how much you can carry and how much damage you can do with a physical weapon (it acts as a multiplier for weapon damage)
AGI effects how quick you can move and how fast you can attack
DEX effects your accuracy when attacking and whether or not you are able to evade attacks
INT effects your your magic attacks and your ability to learn new skills

[lyric mountain]

might want to move evasion to agility and put ranged weapon damage on dex

doesnt make much sense for an archer to be a hulking bodybuilder

[sharp geyser]

Fair enough

Should INT just be about effecting your magic power

or should I impose other things on it as well

I guess with higher INT you can equip more skills

Set a base limit to the amount of skills you can equip, and then as you level it up you can equip more.

Though that seems like it leads people to be more mage build then anything. If they are wanting to do a strength build INT doesn't really matter much

[lyric mountain]

you can put MP gain

or max MP

if you're going to put it as a resource for spellcasting

otherwise you can make INT reduce shop prices or increase damage with magical weapons

[wheat mesa]

misty you building a game?

or is this like a discord bot

[lyric mountain]

yes

[sharp geyser]

Im doing it as a discord bot for now

[wheat mesa]

I see

[sharp geyser]

I hope to move it over to godot at some point tho

:p

[wheat mesa]

godot is awesome

I want to do more with graphics but I need to get an internship so I'm building out that mobile app instead

[sharp geyser]

Discord bot is my limit rn since I can't do anything with too much graphics

[lyric mountain]

I like godot, just hate how gd 4 cannot export to web if using c#

[sharp geyser]

Yea

GDScript is annoying tbh

I think they are working on exporting to web with C# tho in GD4

[lyric mountain]

I'd rather write my own engine than use gdscript

[sharp geyser]

So its not much, but this is my current progress.

[lyric mountain]

pdf

[sharp geyser]

yea one sec

idk why it exported as a pdf

[neon leaf]

pdf

[wheat mesa]

it's small enough that I can send a screenshot of it

there ya go

[sharp geyser]

Oh ty waffle

[lyric mountain]

dex for magic?

[wheat mesa]

I would have a separate stat for magic

[sharp geyser]

Well I was thinking Dexterity is more for how accurate you are with your attacks

[wheat mesa]

Like mana or something that helps your magic damage

[sharp geyser]

and Magic is a form of attacking

So higher Dex = your magic attacks also land better

[lyric mountain]

you can change that to "Affects you chance to hit with ranged attacks and spells" then

also, might want to add critical there

dex builds are usually all about critical striking

since their hits have a lower dice than melee/casters

[neon leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-cat-spoon-spoon-cat-cat-apple-apple-cat-gif-254879498273748

[sharp geyser]

STR: Affects the number of items you can carry and the damage you do with physical attacks

INT: Affects the damage you do with magical attacks, as well as how fast you recover MP and how much you have.

DEX: Affects your chance to hit with ranged attacks and spells and increasing crit percentage.

AGI: Affects ability to dodge and attack faster.

[lyric mountain]

sounds good

[sharp geyser]

I also realize

How should health be affected?

Do I just increase health each level

or should I make a stat like STR increase your health

[lyric mountain]

you can give some HP each level + some bonus based on STR

STR builds are supposed to be beefier

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[lyric mountain]

btw

[sharp geyser]

I can also make gear and stuff give a boost in health too

[lyric mountain]

little nitpick, but try to use a single terminology for each thing

[sharp geyser]

wdym

[lyric mountain]

"magical attacks" or "spells"

[sharp geyser]

Thanks

[lyric mountain]

btw, how will you balance melee vs ranged vs caster?

as in, advantages and drawbacks of each

[sharp geyser]

Well

My first thought was to make ranged and casters slower in their attack and spell casting

That way melee fighters aren't just getting bombarded and deleted

Though idk how i'd balance out melee fighters that way they can't just delete ranged or casters

[lyric mountain]

casters are usually gated by the resource, so high damage and versatility but squishy and resource dependant

[sharp geyser]

So casters take more to make good?

Its more expensive to build a caster build rather than melee ?

[lyric mountain]

not really, it's a glass cannon

unless you're planning to make spells also consume scrolls and whatnot

the issue is melee vs ranged mostly

ranged in d&d is balanced by having a lower hit dice (deal less damage per hit) but being able to outrange and use special arrows

basically a caster without spell

and melee is tanky with high hit chance, but little versatility

[past field]

ohhhhh so if a user lets say, leaves and joins again it’ll extend it

[sharp geyser]

So basically ranged do lower damage per hit, but it adds up due to their range, and melee does higher hit damage but are not as accurate?

[lyric mountain]

no no, they are very accurate because they're literally close to the target

[solemn latch]

Its going to depend.

Whats the flow here?

[sharp geyser]

Then what do you mean

I dont see a downside to melee

[lyric mountain]

the downside is that you're close to the target

[sharp geyser]

Right

[lyric mountain]

and low versatility

[sharp geyser]

Then a ranged dealer has 2 downsides

1. Lower Attack
2. Terrible at close quarters

A melee fighter seems too overpowered in that regard

As for versatility no idea what you mean

A melee fighter at close quarters is just slash and dash over and over

That will tear through a ranged fighter

[quartz kindle]

it does actually, have an archer use a giant bow that fires stone pillars

[sharp geyser]

What the fuck

💀

"Scuse me need to reload my ammo" grabs a fucking building

[lyric mountain]

for example, ranged and casters can set you on fire, place traps, hide behind stuff, etc

[solemn latch]

The 15 minute timer starts when a button is clicked, not when the button is sent.

Which I'm assuming is the concern, right?

[lyric mountain]

melee there's not much you can do at close range

you can attack, you can defend

perhaps imbue your weapon

you dont have as many options as an archer with 10 different arrows for example

[sharp geyser]

I guess I can scrap the idea of imposing a timer on melee fighters then

[lyric mountain]

timer?

[sharp geyser]

It would make htem choose an attack in a short time making them have to think fast

[quartz kindle]

is the game gonna be pvp or pve?

[sharp geyser]

PVE at first, but in later updates I plan on adding Player vs Player

[past field]

ah i see

[lyric mountain]

you can give melee a penalty to initiative too if you want

since they need to close the gap before attacking

[quartz kindle]

in most pve games, warriors are always overpowered, because high dmg and high survivability

other stats like speed and avoidability are usually very lackluster

avoidability is very hard to balance in a game, because its either useless, or makes you invincible

[lyric mountain]

best way to give some power to the other archetypes is by giving lots of options for attacks

so you get more possibilities to deal damage or exploit weaknesses

wizard in d&d for example has like 20 spells by the time fighter has 4

[quartz kindle]

think in terms of "how easy can this class solo a boss"
a lot of times no matter how much more variety and options you have, they dont compare to raw attack and defense power

[sharp geyser]

hm

[quartz kindle]

in maplestory what ended up happening is that the damage difference between classes is not that large, even support classes have enough damage to solo bosses
and bosses deal % max health damage so tank classes also dont make much difference

so all that matters is how well you can move and dodge attacks while keeping up your dps

[sharp geyser]

I have to come up with a combat system suitable for a discord bot

turn based seems like the way to go

[quartz kindle]

nah make it a real time game :^)

low ping people win by default

or imagine

a full 3d game where each turn is 1 frame

so you play the game frame by frame

and each discord button click is a controller button press on that specific frame

:^^^))))

[neon leaf]

got my first cloudflare bill after i implemented the worker

$12.76

$7.76 goes to r2

$5 to workers paid

[lyric mountain]

make it so they have to write a sentence and their hit chance is based on % accuracy of the text

each time you complete the sentence it's a hit

at least people train their WPM

[quartz kindle]

thats actually a cool idea lmao

[quartz kindle]

was that within expectations? or how much were you expecting?

[neon leaf]

thats pretty much what i was expecting

[quartz kindle]

not too bad i guess

[neon leaf]

I paid $7.12 for r2 last month

anything under $30 is less than my 2 vps

[quartz kindle]

im still paying less than $5 for mine

xd

[vivid fulcrum]

what happened to the custom apps integrating with discord for games in the client? i saw that in ddevs ages ago, was that a one time thing?

[neon leaf]

ye I mean compared to what i make from the api $12 is nothing

[sharp geyser]

wtf

[lament rock]

I pay a whopping $Free.99 for my stuff (I have an orange pi with 8 cores and 16GB of RAM)

[quartz kindle]

free.99 is not free

:^)

[lament rock]

0*99=0

[neon leaf]

I mean I could put everything on this fella

however I get screams when the api goes down for 1second

[quartz kindle]

0.99 !== 0

[lyric mountain]

well, it "works"

[lament rock]

Floor

[quartz kindle]

you wrote dot

:^)

[lament rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-eating-eating-eating-cat-gif-8459125914348971806

[lyric mountain]

I halted a bit cuz godot 4 doesn't support c# for web, and godot 3 ain't good enough imo

[neon leaf]

whats the best way to remove 2cm from a gpu

I dont want to keep taping my hdds to the chassis

[lament rock]

Cut holes in your case

[lyric mountain]

and there's a lil issue with discord player, it doesn't allow external calls for some reason

[quartz kindle]

saw it off

[lyric mountain]

my leaderboards couldn't connect to my api when using it

[neon leaf]

with what

[quartz kindle]

with a chainsaw

[lyric mountain]

yet the game runs normally when on browser

[neon leaf]

ah ok

[lament rock]

For legal reasons, you shouldnt listen to Tim

[sharp geyser]

tbh, who needs a graphical game, I can make this in godot 4 and it jus tbe a black screen

[neon leaf]

too late

[quartz kindle]

legal reasons? have i been hit with a stay away order?

[neon leaf]

I already made my lawyer start writing

I am going to "accidentally" injure myself

and blame tim

[quartz kindle]

oh noes

[neon leaf]

and gain rights to his github account

[sharp geyser]

get that settlement money

[neon leaf]

so I can star all my repos

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

take tim's 4$

[quartz kindle]

my gh account is currently making $0

my $1 donator left

[neon leaf]

dam

if you had a kofi i would donate

[sharp geyser]

I have a kofi

you can donate

[neon leaf]

are you tim

[sharp geyser]

yes

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Hi im Tim Apple

[neon leaf]

how to calculate orbit from moon relative to earth if the earth is suddently travelling 10 trillion kmh

[quartz kindle]

:^)))))

[lament rock]

Trick question. The moon wouldnt even be orbiting the earth anymore

[lyric mountain]

what proves you're moving instead of the universe being displaced?

[quartz kindle]

nothing actually moves in space, it all moves in time

[neon leaf]

lies

[quartz kindle]

its just when you get there in time, the space around you is different

[neon leaf]

my money could move into your wallet

[lament rock]

From our pov, we're at the center of the observable universe

[neon leaf]

if you had kofi

[quartz kindle]

are you trying to convince me to make a kofi?

[lament rock]

You should

[neon leaf]

yes so i can donate 10€/month

[quartz kindle]

oh, not a bad offer tbh

[neon leaf]

if u star all my mcjars repos u get 15€/month ::/0

[quartz kindle]

deal

[neon leaf]

(am buying stars=

[sharp geyser]

v relative = sqr(v^2m + v^2e) (according to tim apple ai)

[sharp geyser]

Bet

[neon leaf]

reading is for cowards

do i look like im above 15

[quartz kindle]

https://tenor.com/6zTs.gif

[neon leaf]

exactly

[quartz kindle]

what should i sell

[sharp geyser]

💀

[neon leaf]

physical products

send me merch

[quartz kindle]

gonna sell farts in a jar

[sharp geyser]

The tears of orphans in asgard

wtf

becoming the next belle delphine

💀

[sharp geyser]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ca0gm6/comment/et5pesf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

bro wrote a whole ass book on why gamer girl water was a thing

and why people bought it

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

[neon leaf]

this still hurts to look at https://github.com/mcjars/versions-worker/blob/7b73b2e71b1609bf16e26f6944d807336dfa01bd/src/api/v2/requests.ts#L174

[sharp geyser]

simple

dont look at it

[neon leaf]

how fix code then

[deft wolf]

Pay someone to fix the code, that way you won't have to look at it and the code will be fixed

https://tenor.com/byMhe.gif

[lyric mountain]

from the creators of serverless: codeless

[neon leaf]

yes

write the code in natural language

and let an llm interpret it

(at runtime)

[neon leaf]

ye tim

[quartz kindle]

rate my pfp

[deft wolf]

owo/10

[quartz kindle]

OwO

[neon leaf]

no link = 0/10

[lyric mountain]

no sauce

[neon leaf]

https://ko-fi.com/timotejroiko

hah

@quartz kindle so will you star mcjars repos

[quartz kindle]

yes i will

[neon leaf]

all of them

sir

[deft wolf]

:O

[lyric mountain]

why does the paypal button look like a badly cropped scam ad

[sharp geyser]

no way bro just paid tim 15$ a month to star his repos

Is tim even active on github that much

[quartz kindle]

done

[neon leaf]

I mean without him id never have gotten into programming

[sharp geyser]

Fair enough

Tim was actually there when I first started as well

💀

[sage bobcat]

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[rustic nova]

from the creators of serverless and codeless: Stop coding and touch grass

[sharp geyser]

Bro's been here since 2018

[sage bobcat]

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[neon leaf]

time to pay up 🤑

[sharp geyser]

no

[sage bobcat]

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[quartz kindle]

<3

[sharp geyser]

Tim isn't the reason I started programming

he just helped

💀

[neon leaf]

well i wouldve quit without tim

he talked shit about my memory code

[sharp geyser]

I wouldn't of

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

I like torturing myself apparently

I've been doing it since I was 12

[lyric mountain]

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Grass

[sharp geyser]

Almost 8 years

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

God 8 years really goes by quickly

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

ok

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

huh

why so defensive

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

thats my default response

💀

Not like I was intentionally being rude

[sharp geyser]

I say ok to literally everything

@quartz kindle Sorry bro, kofi only allows you to donate up to 20 million

My budget is 30 so I can't do it

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

tim knows 4 languages

thats crazy

tim

Speak some Slovenian

[neon leaf]

dam https://github.com/timotejroiko?tab=stars

[sharp geyser]

wow

CloudGate looks cool

[quartz kindle]

dober dan, kako si?

[neon leaf]

sadly I cant pay you -15€

[sharp geyser]

Why would you take away money

[sharp geyser]

I am good thanks

[quartz kindle]

tbf i should star more stuff on gh

i never really used the stars system lol

[sharp geyser]

you should star my repos

I wont pay you 15$

but like

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[neon leaf]

gonna wake up tomorrow and suddenly theres 2 prs by tim that magically make api endpoints 70% faster

[sharp geyser]

70?

more like 95%

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[neon leaf]

true

i should probably provide some sample data so someone could actually contribute if he was crazy enough

[lyric mountain]

biggest computer crash in history?

y2k had a bigger killcount

and we're closing on another one in 12 years

[sharp geyser]

I mean

[quartz kindle]

LOL

[lyric mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/were-sorry-tony-hayward-south-park-s14e11-coon2rise-of-captain-hindsight-gif-22864475

[sharp geyser]

y2k definitely impacated a lot but the ones that suffered the most with y2k was the stock market right?

[lyric mountain]

yep

[sharp geyser]

The thing is

[quartz kindle]

im looking at some 2fa alternatives, found this comment lmao

[lyric mountain]

lots of people jumping off buildings due to that

[sharp geyser]

crowdstrike bug impacted more than just the stock market

it impacted airports, hospitals, government buildings, schools, and other important infastructure

So y2k compared to crowdstrike is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things

[lament rock]

all because companies wanna pay subscriptions for services which they have no control over

[quartz kindle]

this just happened right now on a discord-api-docs issue

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Hell yea

lets go!!!

[quartz kindle]

https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/issues/5558

[sharp geyser]

Exactly what I was looking for

[sharp geyser]

No way bro linked it

[quartz kindle]

if you wanna see it before its gone

lmao

[sharp geyser]

💀

YOU COULD HAVE WARNED ME

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

[sharp geyser]

THAT IT WOULD SHOW A PICTURE

[frosty gale]

you cant be serious

has to be a joke

[sharp geyser]

Unless you want to see a massive shlong dont look at it

[neon leaf]

LMFAO

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle

Its not only that one

Looking at the github notifs in the ddevs server

it happened on multiple issues

to list a few

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

[deft wolf]

Okay guys, wtf is that image

[sharp geyser]

I warned you

no way someone was horny enough to draw that of wumpus

[deft wolf]

I have to go get some bleach or I won't sleep tonight

[sharp geyser]

wut

[neon leaf]

https://x.com/david__exe/status/1815908023296221372

X

Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 12:33 AM

@frosty gale

[sharp geyser]

It went from 50

to 10

crazy

[neon leaf]

where did you read 50

[sharp geyser]

Ah wait no it was 10

nvm

but its not even a full 10$

apparently

[neon leaf]

the screenshot is in pounds

[sharp geyser]

Imagine not matching it

10$ 10 pounds

[lyric mountain]

the hell happened on that spike?

crowdstrike?

[sharp geyser]

💀

[neon leaf]

best thing about the incident is

that arch linux downloads were down

indicating they use windows on their download servers

[sharp geyser]

or that they use other linux distros ?

[lyric mountain]

not ubuntu for sure

[rustic nova]

dafuq is that pfp

[quartz kindle]

oh woops, i didnt even notice that

[rustic nova]

what the fuck is that

[deft wolf]

Me either XD

[quartz kindle]

there, its gone

:^)

[deft wolf]

NSFW Wumpus I guess

[quartz kindle]

the original is still there

mods/gh didnt remove it yet

just marked as abuse

guys i need help

dafuq is a passkey and how does it work

[neon leaf]

physical key

for loggin it

[quartz kindle]

i need to refactor my entire security shit, and paypal is offering me the option of using a passkey

[quartz kindle]

but apparently you can use the phone for it?

[neon leaf]

yes

[quartz kindle]

what if you lose the phone

[neon leaf]

recovery keys

[quartz kindle]

hmm

isnt it the same as 2fa then

[neon leaf]

similar

[quartz kindle]

i also need a new password manager, so far i've been using encrypted text files for my passwords and 2fa codes lmao

[neon leaf]

........

I use selfhosted bitwarden

[quartz kindle]

but what if my host dies

[neon leaf]

put it on a raspi

[quartz kindle]

what if it explodes

[neon leaf]

keep backups

[quartz kindle]

lmao

to me redundancy is more important than security

i wanna still be able to login into paypal if i lose my phone for example

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quartz kindle]

im switching my 2fa over from authy to ente

[neon leaf]

i mean you can also use the standard plan in the cloud

[quartz kindle]

because authy desktop is gone

[neon leaf]

has high enough limits for anyone sane

bitwarden also has 2fa btw

[quartz kindle]

for desktop as well?

[neon leaf]

yes

bitwarden runs anywhere

[quartz kindle]

i heard somewhere they dont have desktop

or it was premium only

idk

[neon leaf]

they have

its free

they also have tons of browser extensions

they automatically copy 2fa to your clipboard when you use auto fill

[quartz kindle]

so this is false?

Integrated TOTP authentication is a premium feature in Bitwarden Password Manager. Bitwarden Authenticator is a standalone mobile app that generates TOTP codes for any online service that supports them. Bitwarden Authenticator can be used without a Bitwarden account.

[frosty gale]

this is worse than a slap in the face

i would say thank you then request to have my falcon contract cancelled

[neon leaf]

totp is paid when you are not selfhosting

[quartz kindle]

ah

[neon leaf]

10€/year i think

[green kestrel]

Hmm... this page doesn’t exist. Try searching for something else.

[quartz kindle]

why does selfhosting need 2gb ram

lmao

[neon leaf]

idk use vaultwarden

[green kestrel]

wasteful containers

[neon leaf]

needs like 65mb

[quartz kindle]

hmm i might give it a try

now where do i put it

hetzner or google

[neon leaf]

hetzner

🔥

[quartz kindle]

what if hetzner deletes my account

:^)

[neon leaf]

get both !

[quartz kindle]

can i make vaultwarden sync itself between two instances?

[frosty gale]

galaxygate

[neon leaf]

it uses sqlite

I dont think it natively supports sync

[quartz kindle]

i still have a galaxygate vm, not running anything on it rn

[green kestrel]

I'll stick with my u2f key

[neon leaf]

however theres probably some kubernetes magic you could do

[frosty gale]

mine runs my custom email now and a filestash site

its only a 1gb vps

these mfs tell you you need at least 4gb ram to run a small mail server

bullshit

[green kestrel]

512mb

so long as you don't run spamassassin

Ive been self hosting my email for like 25 years

[sharp geyser]

@quartz kindle use 1password or smth

1Password is very good

[green kestrel]

couldn't imagine using like Gmail or outlook.com ew

[frosty gale]

and then you have the reddit nerds tell you not to self host because your mail will never be delivered

[green kestrel]

you don't remember a dozen unique passwords in your head? /s

[green kestrel]

Reddit nerds don't know jack about the real world

so long as you have dkim, SPF and stuff and you aren't using a dodgy host for your email, or share an IP with others, it's fine

although for sending out emails relating to payments for my bots I use mailgun

[sharp geyser]

self hosting a mail server is hard

[green kestrel]

because it tracks email delivery and opens, which means if a user disputes receiving an invoice reminder I can fight it

[green kestrel]

since when lol

it's very much set it up and that's it, there's a lot of setup and a lot of messing with DNS but past that I've not needed to touch my mail server for about 10 years

just do os and software updates

[sharp geyser]

Idk what mailserver to go with

and all the clients suck booty

They are ugly and lack features

[green kestrel]

I'm still running exactly the same Exim config from 2005

[sharp geyser]

I would make my own mail client

but thats too much effort

[green kestrel]

I use Exim, spamassassin, courier IMAP ssl

and thunderbird as my desktop client, blue mail as my android client

blue mail is nice

[sharp geyser]

Export–Import Bank of the United States ?

EXIM

[neon leaf]

ye

[sharp geyser]

I used to use mailcow

but its setup is a little wonky

[sharp geyser]

because it wants you to use docker user commands for ip tables

rather than ufw

[green kestrel]

ah, Ive never really used packaged mail servers for personal

[sharp geyser]

https://mailcow.email

I wanted to run my own mailserver for my projects and such

but idk what to use

[green kestrel]

I did used to administrate exchange servers until Microsoft priced small business out of it and forced them all to essentially go office 365

[sharp geyser]

and mailcow is too time consuming to setup properly

[rustic nova]

mailcow works really well for me

been working with it for probably a year and a half by now

[sharp geyser]

I like mailcow as well

but idk how to use docker that well

[green kestrel]

I have two Exim installs one for inbound mail one for outbound

I host the outbound at ovh and the inbound on my home server

for years I just used to have the one hosted at home but over time everyone got more strict about dynamic and domestic ips sending mail

so I moved to having a separate smarthost

[sharp geyser]

I will hire you for 10 cents to setup mailcow for me <3

[green kestrel]

male cow? wouldn't that be a bull?

[lyric mountain]

bull shit

[sharp geyser]

My problem is this

[rustic nova]

the docs are pretty straightforward ngl

[rustic nova]

lmao yeah

[sharp geyser]

I've not had problems with using ufw with mailcow before

but idfk how docker user chain works

[rustic nova]

took me ages to figure that out

[sharp geyser]

Please link me to your sources

I'd love to figure it out myself

[rustic nova]

Take a look at https://github.com/chaifeng/ufw-docker

this is what did it for me

even though I host the entirety on a different server

but this did it initially for me

[sharp geyser]

ty

[rustic nova]

I mean this is pretty much it for me, there's really nothing much to it

worked without issues at all

[quartz kindle]

i still use yahoo mail

:^)

[neon leaf]

I use gmail because why not

(I do have my own mail server)

[quartz kindle]

im tempted to create my own encrypted text storage server

slap a node server, some api endpoints, bettersqlite and AES encryption

[frosty gale]

for mail to be deliverable all you really need is a domain that isnt 5 days old, make sure the domain has a professional tld (.org, .com, etc) have DKIM, SPF, DMARC, etc, make sure your server IP isnt blacklisted for spam and that it remains consistent when sending email, setup a reverse DNS and thats it

that might be too difficult for the average reddit IT person

[rustic nova]

to this: Even if you have everything of this

gmail is really really picky