development

[quartz kindle]

does the column id exist?

[neon leaf]

yes

https://github.com/mcjars/versions-worker/blob/94b05223611e12c42883d46b17bf8dd653cef5ef/src/schema.ts#L211

[quartz kindle]

so```sql
ON CONFLICT (location) DO UPDATE SET location=location
RETURNING id

[neon leaf]

{
  result: [],
  success: false,
  errors: [
    {
      code: 7500,
      message: 'ON CONFLICT clause does not match any PRIMARY KEY or UNIQUE constraint'
    }
  ],
  messages: []
}```

o wait

config_id is part of the unique index

very nice

works

thanks guys

[green kestrel]

whats the number 10 do, and what is function t?

i recommend making it a bit less magic-number'y and easier to read 😄

[neon leaf]

time(10).m()

10 minutes in ms

[green kestrel]

what if you wanted to change that value, do you use it in other places too?

[neon leaf]

?

[quartz kindle]

dont look at my vars then

[neon leaf]

beautiful

[quartz kindle]

XXDDD

[neon leaf]

as long as its fast its acceptable

[quartz kindle]

ima be honest, these functions were made with help from chatgpt

[radiant kraken]

what do you use them for

[quartz kindle]

games n stuff

jk

[radiant kraken]

u made ur own game engine?

damn

[neon leaf]

astronomy right?

[quartz kindle]

ye

the second pic is for converting ecliptic coordinates into cartesian

[radiant kraken]

interesting

[quartz kindle]

ie longitude+latitude+distance -> xyz

[radiant kraken]

whats ur game again

[quartz kindle]

its not a game, that was jk

its astro stuff

[radiant kraken]

yeah ik

[neon leaf]

smol db

[quartz kindle]

D1 gives you 5gb for free right?

[neon leaf]

yes

[quartz kindle]

thats already 1/5th

hue

[neon leaf]

well I use workers paid anyway

[quartz kindle]

ah

[neon leaf]

because I am reading wayy too many rows

I need the 25bil

[quartz kindle]

wait

when you do a query they count scanned rows as rows read?

[neon leaf]

yes

[quartz kindle]

wtf

thats bulshit

[neon leaf]

thats why you index everything to infinity

https://github.com/mcjars/versions-worker/blob/main/src/api/v1/build.ts

this only reads 1400 rows

with 120k builds

[quartz kindle]

ngl thats pretty garbage from D1 then

[neon leaf]

still way cheaper than serverless pg/mysql

[quartz kindle]

i guess

i still prefer local tho

[neon leaf]

ye

this needs to be in the cloud though

way too many people rely on this api

and hosts

[quartz kindle]

with all the hype around edge, from what ui've seen its pretty lackluster

[lyric mountain]

if you were using pg instead of sqlite you could code almost everything within the db tbh

[neon leaf]

ye however all serverless pg i found is 20€/month/location

[lyric mountain]

then return everything processed to the api

[neon leaf]

like wtf

[quartz kindle]

get 20 cheap vps's around the world

and do the replicastion yourself

:^)

[neon leaf]

I mean yes thats what im currently doing

however I cant find good providers everywhere

(and providers that have good cf routing)

[lyric mountain]

not even needed

pg has that built in

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/runtime-config-replication.html

[neon leaf]

ye i am using built in master-slave replication

[lyric mountain]

manager-paid_worker

[neon leaf]

mmmm

ohno

I still need to optimize this mess https://github.com/mcjars/versions-worker/blob/main/src/api/v2/build.ts

[runic flame]

Opinions on the experimental node:sqlite module in Node.js?

https://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/sqlite.html

[surreal sage]

ooo somebody's copying bun 🤭

[frosty gale]

interesting

better-sqlite3 is cooked

yeah they literally copied its syntax for the most part

dont blame them because its good

[runic flame]

It's good yeah

[radiant kraken]

node is coping /s

[sharp geyser]

native node sqlite module

interesting

[green kestrel]

what's this, a line drawing function?

[lyric mountain]

calculating lagrange 2

tim doing tim stuff

[quartz kindle]

calculating the position of a planet's Lagrange points

[quartz kindle]

:O

i mean, are they actually basing it off of better-sqlite3?

if so, thats pretty pog

[green kestrel]

... well its not rocket science....

-# oh, wait...

[lyric mountain]

it's planet science smh my head

[real rose]

planet science is crazy

[green kestrel]

thats what i said

i said its not rocket science

[runic flame]

I don't exactly know but someone pointed out this is where it was added: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/53752

The design seems very similar to that of better-sqlite3

[quartz kindle]

i went to read most of those discussions to try to understand what they are doing and it seems they are not following any particular lib, but trying to take points raised by other libs into consideration

there were talks of having both a sync and an async api for sqlite

and the author of better-sqlite3 recommeded them to expose the raw sqlite C api

but there are still a lot of issues for them to solve, like sqlite's compilation flags and extensions

so it seems they are going to try doing their own thing

[runic flame]

I guess, this comment https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/53752#issuecomment-2228852505 also seems enticing

From a quick test, compiling SQLite in Node with the same settings used by better-sqlite3 yielded roughly the same performance. There may be other things to optimize as well, but it's good to know we aren't doing anything too awful 😄.

[quartz kindle]

ye i guess the author of the initial implementation did follow better-sqlite's footsteps

but lets see where it goes from here

[runic flame]

It'll probably get optimized a lot

[quartz kindle]

the problem is, node's getting more bloated every year

time for a new runtime :^)

[runic flame]

Follow your father's footsteps, C++

[quartz kindle]

just-js had a lot of potetial, i wonder which direction that will take

[runic flame]

What is that?

[quartz kindle]

they moved to a new project called lo

[quartz kindle]

its an experimental v8 runtime for linux only

[sharp geyser]

tim

just

optimize node yourself

🙄

[quartz kindle]

ew

[sharp geyser]

nodejs-light when?

[quartz kindle]

when the author launched just-js, he did make a barebones webserver and added it to those big ass web framework benchmark competitions

it was the only js thing in the top 10

[runic flame]

You mean just runtime? Not sure how V8 is related here

[sharp geyser]

what about express

v8 is the js engine

[quartz kindle]

v8 is the js engine

just is like a barebones wrapper around it

like node but without the entire node api

[runic flame]

Oh so it's a runtime, not a separate engine

I wonder why it's Linux-only

[sharp geyser]

thats what they decided to build it for

[runic flame]

Considering V8 supports all platforms they could probably add support for all platforms

[quartz kindle]

yeah, it heaviliy interacts with linux syscalls

[sharp geyser]

they could

but then they'd have to build different versions

[runic flame]

They seem to have builds for all platforms

[lyric mountain]

besides 99% of use-cases will be linux anyway

[runic flame]

Or at least Linux distributions, macOS, and Windows

https://github.com/just-js/lo

[quartz kindle]

yeah, lo was a change of direction from the original goals

but its still in very early stages

after the bun hype, its time to hype a new thing

:^)

[runic flame]

Coming soon to a browser near you in 2089

[quartz kindle]

indeed

[runic flame]

I wonder who even uses Bun now

[neon leaf]

bun is still so broken.

the http lib polyfill literally leaks memory

they still havent fixed it properly

[runic flame]

Did they fix the runtime running into a segfault every 2 seconds?

[neon leaf]

no

[runic flame]

Amazing

[neon leaf]

still segfaults constantly

[runic flame]

People really be hyping broken new stuff up like crazy

Reminds me of the VSCode killer stuff

[sharp geyser]

Zed?

[lyric mountain]

mid diff no mia ff 15

[quartz kindle]

gg top gap

x9 jg

[neon leaf]

btw cloudflare d1 is suprisingly fast

I never expected serverless sqlite to be that fast

[lyric mountain]

I mean, it's cloudflare

plus sqlite is made for speed

[neon leaf]

I mean

[sharp geyser]

sqlite is slow

[neon leaf]

I didnt expect it to search a 800k row table thats 800mb in postgres within 100ms

UNINDEXED

[lyric mountain]

sqlite is far from slow, it's just that it cant benefit from threads for write

[lyric mountain]

all tables in sqlite have a PK

aka rowid

[neon leaf]

well i wasnt searching by that tho

it had to scan every row

[lyric mountain]

it implicitly uses it

unless you declare a column as INTEGER AUTOINCREMENT PRIMARY KEY

in which case it overrides rowid

[neon leaf]

yknow whats weird

d1 just denies your request if it contains a ;

since it does not support multiple params

is it normal that this reads 2180 rows every time

 DEB  18.07.2024, 20:09:38 Database Query
 
SELECT id, project_version_id, rehash
FROM builds
WHERE type = "SPONGE" AND version_id LIKE 1.11.2%
 
(rows read 2180, rows written 0)
 INF  18.07.2024, 20:09:38 Found 90 builds for version 1.11.2 (SPONGE)
 DEB  18.07.2024, 20:09:39 Database Query
 
SELECT id, project_version_id, rehash
FROM builds
WHERE type = "SPONGE" AND version_id LIKE 1.12%
 
(rows read 2180, rows written 0)```

its the total number of sponge builds

[neon leaf]

I am sleep deprived

please summarize

[sharp geyser]

D1 sounds expensive

[neon leaf]

cheapest serverless db I know of

[quartz kindle]

apparently LIKE will not use an index if the pattern starts with a digit

[neon leaf]

wtf

how does that make sense

[quartz kindle]

This constraint arises from the fact that numbers do not sort in lexicographical order. For example: 9<10 but '9'>'10'.

[neon leaf]

...

so im gonna have to suck it up?

[quartz kindle]

there is also the issue of case sensitivity, even if not applicable in this case

LIKE is case-insensitive by default. To have it use your index, you need to either make the index case-insensitive:

CREATE INDEX test_name ON test (name COLLATE NOCASE);

or make LIKE case-sensitive:

PRAGMA case_sensitive_like = 1;

[quartz kindle]

also shuoldnt 1.11.2% be in quotes?

[neon leaf]

its a placeholder

[quartz kindle]

ah

[neon leaf]

my logger replaces it for readability

[quartz kindle]

you can also try this workaround

WHERE word >= 'search_string' AND word < 'search_strinh'

[neon leaf]

wtf

[quartz kindle]

in your case

WHERE version_id >= '1.11.2' AND version_id < '1.11.3'

[neon leaf]

would WHERE version_id >= '1.11.2' AND version_id < '1.11.9' work too

[quartz kindle]

that would be the same as LIKE 1.11.2%, LIKE 1.11.3%, LIKE 1.11.4%, LIKE 1.11.5%, ... LIKE 1.11.8%

[neon leaf]

okay ill try

it should also work if the first is 1.11 right

[lyric mountain]

dont think dbs accept semicolon separated queries anymore dure to injection reasons

or at least drivers dont

[quartz kindle]

it works in lexicographic order, each character is converted to its char code, and each code is compared

[neon leaf]

oh wow it works perfectly

[quartz kindle]

so "aaa" is smaller than "aab", and any more characters that are appended to that will always be bigger than "aaa" and smaller than "aab"

[neon leaf]

 
SELECT id, project_version_id, rehash
FROM builds
WHERE type = "SPONGE" AND version_id >= 1.11.2 AND version_id < 1.11.2.9
 
(rows read 91, rows written 0)
 INF  18.07.2024, 20:34:14 Found 90 builds for version 1.11.2 (SPONGE)
 DEB  18.07.2024, 20:34:15 Database Query
 
SELECT id, project_version_id, rehash
FROM builds
WHERE type = "SPONGE" AND version_id >= 1.12 AND version_id < 1.12.9
 
(rows read 499, rows written 0)
 INF  18.07.2024, 20:34:15 Found 498 builds for version 1.12 (SPONGE)```

[lyric mountain]

btw, if u want to match a pattern in LIKE but dont want to allow 2+ characters u can use _

like 1.__.3 would match any version that has major version 1 and build 3, and 2 digits for minor version

tho it requires the number of chars to be exact

[quartz kindle]

do you want to specifically stop at .9? or you want to get all patch versions for 1.12.x?

[neon leaf]

all that start with 1.12

but its only normal semver in this case

[quartz kindle]

then do 1.12 to 1.13

although there is a caveat

it will not work with 1.9 and 1.10 for example

because 1.9 is bigger than 1.10

the characters 1.9 are bigger than the characters 1.1 in lexicographiical order

[eternal osprey]

    let endTime = new Date().getTime() + duration * 60 * 60 * 1000;
    let endString = `<t:${endTime}:F>`;```
why does this show me something utterly crazy

november 19th, 523523 or something tf

[neon leaf]

discorrd uses seconds

[surreal sage]

ya

[neon leaf]

js dates use ms

[eternal osprey]

bomboclat

[quartz kindle]

discord is dumb

[eternal osprey]

tyy

[surreal sage]

discord doesnt care about ms!!!

[lyric mountain]

just substring till the 2nd period

then cast it to float

oh wait nvm, 9 is still bigger than 10

[eternal osprey]

huh tf

    let endTime = new Date().getTime() + duration * 60 * 60;
    let endString = `<t:${endTime}:F>`;```
pretty sure it's seconds rn

[lyric mountain]

well, u can substring from the first period till the second

and cast to int

[neon leaf]

sir

getTime returns ms

[eternal osprey]

omg

[lyric mountain]

it's not like mojang will ever release minecraft 2

[eternal osprey]

yooo chat forget what i just did

🗣️

[neon leaf]

what if minecraft 0

[lyric mountain]

nobody plays on alphas

[neon leaf]

well ye sponge only has full semvers

no snapshots or alphas

[lyric mountain]

but well, u can WHERE substring(version_id, 0, 1) > 0

[quartz kindle]

to deal with 1.9 - 1.10 you will need to do 1.9 - 1.: to match everything 1.9.x

[lyric mountain]

also mojang doesn't honor semver

they use it but it doesn't work in the same way at all

[neon leaf]

nvm there are snapshots

https://mcjars.app/?type=SPONGE&version=1.21&snapshots=1

[sharp geyser]

suspicious link

no click

[lyric mountain]

you can use regex too

\d\.12\.\d+

[neon leaf]

or i stick with tims solutions because I think thats enough

this only runs every hour

no need to optimize row reads to infinity

[lyric mountain]

inb4 query takes 1h and 1 minute to complete so they overlap and crash the server

[neon leaf]

have protection against that

sometimes the cron took 2 weeks

so had to do that lol

[lyric mountain]

the what

[neon leaf]

yes

it takes quite a bit starting a server on each mc version of each software of each build ever

[quartz kindle]

or just abuse the lexicographic order:
WHERE (a >= '1.9' AND a < '1.:') OR (a >= '1.10' AND a < '1.12')
= match everything from 1.9 until 1.12

[neon leaf]

or I do select * from builds

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[eternal osprey]

wait how do i create an actual timer in djs?

[lyric mountain]

setTimeout()

[eternal osprey]

Like one of the formatting did that but i forgot it's format

[neon leaf]

setTimeou = setTimeout

[lyric mountain]

or do u want the discord "in X seconds"?

[eternal osprey]

yeah

[neon leaf]

:R

[eternal osprey]

arigato ox7d8 kun

[sharp geyser]

what the fuck

[quartz kindle]

great, now im reading that name in a japanese accent anime girl voice in my head

oeksusevandeeito-kun

[neon leaf]

first 4 rewritten 🔥

[lyric mountain]

you're hereby nicknamed "lime"

[quartz kindle]

raimu-desu!

[lyric mountain]

sasuga timu-sama

[eternal osprey]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/mikasa-birtday-gif-20321465

[quartz kindle]

https://tenor.com/bI1xG.gif

[lyric mountain]

lmao loved that part

[quartz kindle]

just watched it yesterday xDD

[neon leaf]

waiting for the day pnpm adds an option to automatically add the @types/ package when the package ur installing does not include ts types and you use ts

[sharp geyser]

Hey haku

I found java in anime

[quartz kindle]

when they use actual code instead of random matrix shit in hacking scenes

[sharp geyser]

probably hired a programmer just for this scene

as its the only scene that shows code

[quartz kindle]

getKurata new Rectangle

[sharp geyser]

[neon leaf]

SELECT jar_url, jar_size, version_id, config_id, config_value_id
FROM builds
INNER JOIN buildConfigs ON builds.id = buildConfigs.build_id
WHERE type = "VANILLA"
LIMIT 1

what happens when buildConfigs has no match

is config_id null?

[lyric mountain]

lmao not only java, but swing

tho it might be some other framework too, idk what Kurata is

[sharp geyser]

its probably part of the game that the code was about

How do you know its swing tho

[lyric mountain]

Region

he's dealing with either swing or java2d in general

tho getInstanceKurata might mean that's a class from his game

[quartz kindle]

is Kurata a relevant thing in the anime? is it a character?

[sharp geyser]

Its not relavent at all tbh

The only thing relevent is his programming background

He literally dies 3m later in the anime

💀

His programming background makes it easy to pick up the magic in the world he is transported to though

[lyric mountain]

is that death march?

yeah no, that's definitely swing

region might not be, but the rest is without doubt

actually, not swing, AWT

[sharp geyser]

Knights & Magic

[lyric mountain]

ah the one with mechas

[sharp geyser]

Yup

Pretty lit stuff

I watched it ages ago back in 2018

rewatching it

[neon leaf]

oh no

I need to write a somewhat complex query again

[sharp geyser]

or

just dont

:)

[neon leaf]

no

[sharp geyser]

yes

you can make it simpler

by breaking it up

[neon leaf]

not when I have 1s db latency

[sharp geyser]

1s is too much

[neon leaf]

ok somehow I got it working first try

[sharp geyser]

nice

[neon leaf]

the queries seem very fast tbh

[frosty gale]

2-3 business days per query

[neon leaf]

yea

[solemn quest]

hey, maybe a dumb question? but if I want to add/change some code to my bot that's already on top.gg, and restart it -- will current/future users see these new changes?

on discord

[lyric mountain]

yes, the bot is just listed on topgg, it doesn't "clone" your bot

all processing is done on your side

[surreal sage]

[sharp geyser]

Looks like you fucked up

[surreal sage]

idk how

@sharp geyser

dockerfile

FROM xxx as xxx

or

FROM xxx AS xxx

yea capitalized

sorgy for ping

[sharp geyser]

anything dockerfile the keynames will always be capitalized

[surreal sage]

it worked before

so im confused why this is happening

i didnt change anything and now it's 😕

https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/53902

okay... downgrade to 21 worked

[quartz kindle]

node devs did an oopsie

[surreal sage]

do they even test their versions 💔

[sharp geyser]

Ofc not

thats for the people who use node to do

[surreal sage]

push now fix later

[sharp geyser]

which is why its called beta

💀

Its not ready for use

[surreal sage]

22.5.0 is stable branch i think

[quartz kindle]

its not LTS yet

[surreal sage]

ya

[quartz kindle]

it will be in a couple months or so

[surreal sage]

but still

[sharp geyser]

Once its LTS you know its stable enough

Anything not marked as LTS is usually still in the works

Meaning bugs are expected

You can't expect them to have EVERYTHING working

Nodejs is a vast ecosystem

Granted even LTS still has bugs, but they are mainly flukes that are happenstance

[quartz kindle]

of course i can, node is supposed to be perfect

[sharp geyser]

Right

[quartz kindle]

smh bad devs failing at their job

:^)

[sharp geyser]

As if a big ass runtime that adds new features every major update is going to be stable right out the box

😏

Most of those new features require other things being reworked

Which just so happens to cause bugs

ngl tim

make your own runtime

you have the knowledge

[quartz kindle]

says who

[sharp geyser]

says your conversations in this dev channel for the past 4-5 years

Okay 6 years

[quartz kindle]

its all superficial knowledge

[sharp geyser]

Buddy

[surreal sage]

does your <@&1016059109130375168> role blacklist you from all channels but #development? xd

[sharp geyser]

Your knowledge is immense

[quartz kindle]

my only deep knowlege is how to sleep and eat

[sharp geyser]

nah

cap

[quartz kindle]

it does but i've hacked it

:^)

[sharp geyser]

Wait

Did they actually lock you to development only

We been joking about it for years

[quartz kindle]

nah xd

[sharp geyser]

it finally happened

https://tenor.com/7veG.gif

Im honestly tempted to work on my website a bit

but I dont have the patience

[quartz kindle]

i figured out what im gonna do to make this exercise that cant be easily solved by chatgpt

[sharp geyser]

I want to try and make my portfolio again

but do I have the patience to sit there and do it

when I can watch anime instead

[quartz kindle]

gonna make it use mapbox api v6, which is new, and chatgpt doesnt know about it, it only knows about v5

[surreal sage]

i hate designing

[sharp geyser]

I hate twitter rn

I cant go on there without seeing some shit about donald trump getting shot

[frosty gale]

bing ai might know about it

has access to internet

so it can pull documentation

but it struggles with complex enough questions

it starts to outright make up parameters

("hallucinations" is the buzzword for this)

[quartz kindle]

nobody told me to check bing ai

so i wont

:^)

[lament rock]

check bing ai

its actually pretty damn good

[solemn latch]

Nah, run your own ai.
Custom RAG, so you can just make it check the top 10 results on Google instead of the first 2 or 3 ^-^

But yeah, bing does great with it.

[surreal sage]

what src/xxx folder should I use for classes

[pearl trail]

src/classes

[neon leaf]

/tmp/src/classes

[spark flint]

/dev/null

[green kestrel]

[e-mail]:/var

[surreal sage]

runners didnt bother 💔

[quartz kindle]

could have downgraded to 22.4

[surreal sage]

easier to change a 22 to a 21 in docker

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[solemn latch]

How would I de-bounce re-rendering a component?
I have a form with a field with an image URL which I'm displaying in a child component.
My main issue is that the image URL is fetched EVERY time a character is typed, so someone typing a URL would send a request every time a character is typed.

"use client";
import { ChangeEvent, useState } from "react";
import DisplayFormData from "./someRenderedComp";

export default function Home() {
  const [formData, setFormData] = useState({
    description: "",
    image: "",
  });

  const handleDescriptionChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) =>
    setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, description: e.target.value }));

  const handleImageChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) =>
    setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, image: e.target.value }));

  return (
    <main className="flex min-h-screen flex-col items-center p-24">
      <form className="flex flex-col">
        <label htmlFor="description">Description</label>
        <input
          name="description"
          value={formData.description}
          onChange={handleDescriptionChange}
          placeholder="some fancy description"
          className="text-black"
        />
        <label htmlFor="image">Image</label>
        <input
          name="image"
          value={formData.image}
          onChange={handleImageChange}
          placeholder="imageURL"
          className="text-black"
        />
      </form>
      {/* Dont re-render unless the user hasnt typed in the 'image' field for 500ms */}
      <DisplayFormData {...formData} />
    </main>
  );
}

"use client"; // in my real example this has to be a client component, here it doesnt.
import React from "react";

function DisplayFormData({ description, image }: { description: string; image: string }) {
  return (
    <div>
      <div>{description}</div>
      <img src={image} alt={"Cant load"} />
    </div>
  );
}

export default DisplayFormData;

React - nextjs 👀

(ignore the bad practices, I let AI write most of this becuase its just an example)

useDeferredValue seems okay, but it has limited control.
I wouldn't mind using it, but it doesn't appear to have any way to control it.

[lyric mountain]

setTimeout

only update inside the timeout

whenever they type, cancel current timeout and restart it

[solemn latch]

setTimeout would be a throttle.... never mind, yeah

Can I do that from within the child component?
I'm not exactly sure how re-rendering works.

Honestly, I'm just going to try just to learn.

Thanks

[lyric mountain]

setState is what causes the update

simply make a timeout that calls it, instead of calling it directly

in your case setFormData

[solemn latch]

hmm, I'm doing something wrong.

  let timer: NodeJS.Timeout | undefined;
  const handleImageChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) => {
    console.log("Image change: ", e.target.value);
    clearTimeout(timer);
    timer = setTimeout(() => {
      setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, image: e.target.value }));
    }, 500);
  };

It almost feels like I need a seperate hook to do this right

I just typed a, waited, then bc

Or a buffer for the input.

But then it would look awful, the input wouldnt show typed characters for 500ms

Something like this
But this wont work either,

const useDebounceInput = (ms: number, value: string): string => {
  let timer: NodeJS.Timeout | undefined;
  const [debouncedValue, setDebouncedValue] = useState(value);

  useEffect(() => {
    clearTimeout(timer);
    timer = setTimeout(() => {
      setDebouncedValue(value);
    }, ms);
  }, [value]);

  return debouncedValue;
}

But timer will be lost each re-render

[neon leaf]

why not use https://www.npmjs.com/package/debounce

import debounce from 'debounce';

const [value, setValue] = useState()
const debouncedSetValue = debounce(setValue, 500)```

[solemn latch]

I try to avoid libraries unless I understand how they work

Especially for relatively small things like this

[neon leaf]

this is actually quite complex in react

since there is no proper proper way to do this

[solemn latch]

React sometimes

[solemn latch]

I don't think this will work, will it?
When setValue is called it will re-render after debounce is called, destroying the timers it uses too.

There are react specific libraries for it

[neon leaf]

this actually works fine

I use it myself

[solemn latch]

I'll try it ^-^

so: No inputs are received at all

export default function Home() {
  const [formData, setFormData] = useState({
    description: "",
    image: "",
  });

  const debouncedSetValue = debounce(setFormData, 500);

  const handleDescriptionChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) =>
    debouncedSetValue((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, description: e.target.value }));

  const handleImageChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) => {
    debouncedSetValue((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, image: e.target.value }));
  };

  return (
    <main className="flex min-h-screen flex-col items-center p-24">
      <form className="flex flex-col">
        <label htmlFor="description">Description</label>
        <input
          name="description"
          value={formData.description}
          onChange={handleDescriptionChange}
          placeholder="some fancy description"
          className="text-black"
        />
        <label htmlFor="image">Image</label>
        <input
          name="image"
          value={formData.image}
          onChange={handleImageChange}
          placeholder="imageURL"
          className="text-black"
        />
      </form>

      <DisplayFormData {...formData} />
    </main>
  );
}

I goofed around with it for awhile

[neon leaf]

I think you are understanding wrong

[solemn latch]

Always 😉

[neon leaf]

you are debouncing the input field currently

so input will never arrive

[lyric mountain]

you need to use a variable for the text

it's cuz when the timeout runs, it'll grab the stale value

make smth like let val = "", then update it normally

inside the debouncer, you get that variable's value

[solemn latch]

Outside of handleImageChange right?

[lyric mountain]

yes

[solemn latch]

Yeah, okay I think I understand it.

It doesn't work great, but it works.

[lyric mountain]

in what way?

[solemn latch]

No matter what, this system inputs wont be shown in the field until 500ms after the user stops typing.

If I just use:

  let timer: NodeJS.Timeout | undefined;
  let value: string = "";
  const handleImageChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) => {
    value = e.target.value;
    console.log(value);
    clearTimeout(timer);
    timer = setTimeout(() => {
      setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, image: value }));
    }, 500);
  };

It will only ever take the last character typed

If I wanted to fix that I'd probably need a second variable to track what was there before the debounce, and add only things after that to value.

Its just fiddling with the logic.

I think I understand enough to get to a working example, or at least struggle with it until I do ^-^

[lyric mountain]

it's annoying to get right, but aint too hard

[surreal sage]

usehooks-ts might have something for this

not sure if it's your use case

[solemn latch]

In the end, I'll probably use https://www.npmjs.com/package/use-debounce

A hook just seems like the best way to do this.
But I'll look into usehooks-ts too

[sharp geyser]

What are you trying to do?

[solemn latch]

Playing around with my embed builder again ^-^

This is what was happening

[quartz kindle]

i would be able to help if it wasnt react

:^)

[frosty gale]

i think ive done this sort of thing but in svelte and its very similar

do you want to wait before sending a request while the user types?

[solemn latch]

If I was smart I would just make it a modal for images

I'm not sending a request, just updating the value inside an image element. Which auto sends a request when it updates.

[frosty gale]

same thing basically

[solemn latch]

Use debounce works fine, I still want to implement it myself in the end

But for now, I at least understand it enough to do so

[frosty gale]

youre doing it wrong

[neon leaf]

export default function Home() {
  const [formData, setFormData] = useState({
    description: "",
    image: "",
  });

  const [image, setImage] = useState('')
  const debouncedSetImage = debounce(setImage, 500);

  const handleDescriptionChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) =>
    setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, description: e.target.value }));

  const handleImageChange = (e: ChangeEvent<HTMLInputElement>) => {
    setFormData((prevState) => ({ ...prevState, image: e.target.value }));
    debouncedSetImage(e.target.value)
  };

  return (
    <main className="flex min-h-screen flex-col items-center p-24">
      <form className="flex flex-col">
        <label htmlFor="description">Description</label>
        <input
          name="description"
          value={formData.description}
          onChange={handleDescriptionChange}
          placeholder="some fancy description"
          className="text-black"
        />
        <label htmlFor="image">Image</label>
        <input
          name="image"
          value={formData.image}
          onChange={handleImageChange}
          placeholder="imageURL"
          className="text-black"
        />
      </form>

      {image /* use this for the actual image */}
      <DisplayFormData {...formData} />
    </main>
  );
}

[frosty gale]

youve tied the input to the formData state

[solemn latch]

That's a controlled input

[frosty gale]

so until that updates the text that you type wont reflect until that timeout runs which then sets the data using setFormData

[solemn latch]

I need it controlled

Yeah

[neon leaf]

you need a seperate state for the debounced value

[frosty gale]

i would do 2 different states in this case

yep

[neon leaf]

this for example

[solemn latch]

Isn't two states just causing multiple re-renders?

But a hook wouldn't? Idk do hooks cause re-renders?

[frosty gale]

first one will always keep up to date with the formData, the second will set the typed in text after the timeout, which is tied to the image src

[neon leaf]

yes, one while typing, one after 500ms

[frosty gale]

tbf you could also do this with just one state

the formData state isnt strictly needed since you can detach it from that and just get the value from the onChange event anyways

faster as well

but if you want to do it the "react" way, sure

[neon leaf]

gotta save that 0.05ms!

[solemn latch]

👀 my render is way slower than that right now.

Quite a lot is going on behind the scenes

[neon leaf]

I think thats something that you need to optimize then

every keypress will rerender

[solemn latch]

Which is part of the reason I am debouncing

I'm also using react-hooks-form for their isolated rendering

^-^

Trying to implement all of the custom elements Discord supports, and user facing variables.

As usual, this whole thing is too much work.

Auto complete almost killed me too.

[sharp geyser]

👀

[frosty gale]

react isnt known for its remarkable performance either

tbf if youre using any framework youll get some performance loss anyways

if you dont want any you have to use vanilla js

but that doesnt matter too much you just need to make sure long or blocking code is async where possible

so it doesnt delay any painting or ui

[surreal sage]

use react if you don't care that much
use solid if you do

i don't completely get why all the blame is being placed on crowdstrike

like okay they published a bad driver

but shouldn't there have been checks/automatic undo by Microsoft on clients?

[sharp geyser]

Solid isnt as relevant anymore

It had hype when it first launched

but svelte and react are still the most used along with vue

[surreal sage]

vue is just horrible to read

[sharp geyser]

vue is similar to svelte

[neon leaf]

vue is just horrible to read

[sharp geyser]

<script setup>
import { ref } from 'vue'

const count = ref(0)

function increment() {
  count.value++
}
</script>

<template>
  <button @click="increment">Count is: {{ count }}</button>
</template>

Doesnt look too bad

Similar to svelte in a way

[digital swan]

svelte >

[frosty gale]

that looks very similar to svelte 5

apparently the svelte team isnt completely happy with the svelte 5 syntax either

they agree its very react-like

but they had many many other potential syntaxes proposed but none of them really worked out

i still think theyre taking away what made svelte svelte, with svelte 5 i might as well use vue.js honestly

[digital swan]

i dont like the $props thing about svelte 5

it seems more difficult

[neon leaf]

@quartz kindle worker deployment to production has been without issues so far, generally faster too

[surreal sage]

ref incremental?

where the states at

[frosty gale]

thats the state

value++ will cause anything using count to rerender

or well any mutation to it

[sharp geyser]

thats the point of ref yes

ref is similar to reacts useState

except it doesn't have a getter and a setter separately

its combined

[frosty gale]

what were they even thinking

did they think const [something, setSomething] = useState(); was a good ieda

[eternal osprey]

what's going on here?

are embeds not possible

[surreal sage]

uhm

[link](url)

not [link]('url')

@eternal osprey

[surreal sage]

why are refs signals

refs are supposed to not rerender components on change

[sharp geyser]

Ask vue team

[eternal osprey]

arigatoo

[sharp geyser]

Also, in react that is the opposite

Refs do cause re-renders

[surreal sage]

[sharp geyser]

Which is why when using state management libraries you pass a ref

[surreal sage]

refs dont rerenderrr 😭😭

[sharp geyser]

So you can pass it down to all the children components and re-render as needed

Yes?

They literally do

[sharp geyser]

I've already tested this

[surreal sage]

then u did something wrong because they dont rerender

❤️

[sharp geyser]

Tell that to redux

You have to pass in the state as a ref

[sharp geyser]

else it wont re-render any of the changed values

Then dk what redux does

As you pass in a reference of the state when using it

[surreal sage]

weird stuff is what it does ❤️

[sharp geyser]

redux makes heavy use of refs

[proven lantern]

zig is so cool. i can build the binary on my windows machine for arm linux so easily. now my "builds" take less than 30s

.PHONY: build-DiscordSignatureVerifyZig clean

build-DiscordSignatureVerifyZig:
    @if [ ! -f bootstrap ]; then \
        echo "Bootstrap binary not found, building..."; \
        zig build -Dtarget=aarch64-linux-musl -Dcpu=baseline -Doptimize=ReleaseFast; \
        cp zig-out/bin/bootstrap $(ARTIFACTS_DIR); \
    else \
        echo "Bootstrap binary found, skipping build"; \
        cp bootstrap $(ARTIFACTS_DIR); \
    fi

clean:
    rm -rf zig-cache zig-out

[sharp geyser]

Okay

[frosty gale]

is the only good thing about zig is that it builds fast

[sharp geyser]

Pretty much

Lmao

[frosty gale]

rewrite chromium in zig

[sharp geyser]

zig offers very little other benefits from what i can tell

ig if you want to write something in C use zig

because its the "better c"

other than that idk what else it is useful for

[proven lantern]

zig is really good for cold starts compared to Rust. rust inits a lot of stuff for the borrow checker

[sharp geyser]

You can't compare zig to rust

Its dumb

[proven lantern]

they both compile to binary

[sharp geyser]

Ah

So

[proven lantern]

so they both are good for lambda

[sharp geyser]

C, C++, Java, And basically any other compiled language then

I guess they all are alike

[proven lantern]

not java but yea

C is really good too

[sharp geyser]

Java can compile to binary

[proven lantern]

C++ has too much junk

[sharp geyser]

right

[proven lantern]

makes it a bit slower for cold starts

[sharp geyser]

you are missing the point

Rust and Zig are nothing alike

[proven lantern]

the binaries aren't

[sharp geyser]

The only thing they share is some similarities with syntax

[proven lantern]

zig makes faster binaries for the lambda environment

[sharp geyser]

zig is like C

rust is like C++

[proven lantern]

yeah, rust and c++ both are slow for lambda

[sharp geyser]

trying to compare zig and rust is the dumbest thing anyone can ever do

[proven lantern]

guess which one is zig and which is rust

[sharp geyser]

are you talking about AWS lambda?

[proven lantern]

yeah

[sharp geyser]

[proven lantern]

cold starts and all

[sharp geyser]

So you are comparing two languages that are unrelated based on one service hardly anyone uses

Well if zig is better for using aws lambda then use it

[proven lantern]

i am

[sharp geyser]

but comparing zig and rust based on that alone is idiotic at best

[proven lantern]

rust has it's use cases too

but for aws lambda zig is better

That's why every month AWS Lambda has over a million monthly active customers who generate over 10 trillion invocations.

lol

[sharp geyser]

A million is nothing

Also, AWS lambda sounds useless

Literally sounds like cloudflare workers

[proven lantern]

it has use cases i promise

[frosty gale]

it compiles to bytecode which can then be executed by the java virtual machine

[proven lantern]

there are tools that will make binary from java

[frosty gale]

doesnt sound like an intended use for java

"write once run anywhere"

[sharp geyser]

Well yea normal java

but there are other jdks you can use to compile to binary

[frosty gale]

by that logic i can say python is a compiled language too

[sharp geyser]

howd you know

[proven lantern]

the binaries that you get from java and python would be even slower than rust

[frosty gale]

do they use the blazingly fast ™️ LLVM

[sharp geyser]

they use cranelift

[proven lantern]

[frosty gale]

blazingly slow ig

[proven lantern]

©™

zig doesn't use LLVM anymore

[sharp geyser]

likely uses cranelift

[proven lantern]

they wrote their own toolchain in zig

[sharp geyser]

I know

I was kidding

[proven lantern]

lol

[sharp geyser]

It bootstraped from c++

then wrote its compiler in itself from there

[proven lantern]

yep, and it(stage 1 compiler) started off using llvm

[past field]

just an update, i had one of my staff make bingo balls for it 😬 they look good!

@real rose

[quartz kindle]

a bit of a contrast issue, make the black smaller or the white bigger

[past field]

i’m kinda scared to ask her 😂 i see what you’re seeing tho

[past field]

you should come play sometime man! you’d be proud of me

/clickwar

damn it

[sharp geyser]

Hey tim

[sharp geyser]

do you know how to read barcodes programatically

I dont necessarily want to use a lib

and all I get online is apps for it

[quartz kindle]

just ask her if she can improve the contrast

[quartz kindle]

nop, never tried that

[sharp geyser]

Tim

You are supposed to know these things

Who am I to ask but you

[past field]

he does know it

[sharp geyser]

I knew it

[past field]

it’s somewhere in his brain

[sharp geyser]

he lied

[past field]

he just has to find it behind the rest of his knowledge

[sharp geyser]

cant believe Tim lied to me

[past field]

but whatever you asking, it’s somewhere in his brain

[proven lantern]

here's some source code for different OSs
https://github.com/wildabeast/BarcodeScanner/tree/master/src

it's super old though

[sharp geyser]

ew java

[proven lantern]

theres some c# in there too

some cpp

[sharp geyser]

Bro

The cpp file for ios is 11k lines

Im not reading all that

[proven lantern]

lol

dont you want to write a barcode scanner?

[sharp geyser]

11981 lines

no ty

[sharp geyser]

Not that badly

[proven lantern]

lol

[past field]

[quartz kindle]

im managing to partially decode these damn proto buffers

still a god damn awful format

[sharp geyser]

bro can decode proto buffers

but not barcodes

smh

[quartz kindle]

imagine

protobuf encoded barcodes

seriously, why do we not have encrypted barcodes/qrcodes

sounds like something that absolutely should exist

[sharp geyser]

Why

Would that

ever exist

[quartz kindle]

why not

[sharp geyser]

You know how painful that would be for businesses

Not to mention fact checking

You'd have to have the key to decode it to know what it is

[quartz kindle]

exactly

[sharp geyser]

meaning businesses can scam the fuck outta you

Oh what you bought is a bar of soap????

[quartz kindle]

nah its specifically so you can print barcodes and be sure only your target recipient can scan them

[sharp geyser]

Nope it turns out its actually a rolex

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure

But still a bad idea

[quartz kindle]

i mean

[sharp geyser]

There are standards to barcodes so you can track the product down to who made it

[quartz kindle]

you can just encryopt the text yourself and then print a barcode for it

lel

[sharp geyser]

what

barcodes dont hold text afaik

[quartz kindle]

qrcode

[sharp geyser]

They only hold a sequence of numbers

which in turn tells you about the product

[quartz kindle]

barcode barcode ye, but i mean more the general printed code tech

like all the qr code variants

[sharp geyser]

I mean ig

Encrypted qr codes are a thing afaik

[quartz kindle]

brb encoding all my passwords into an encrypted qr code and tattooing it on my arm

[sharp geyser]

As in you encrypt the data

then you decrypt it when decoding the qr code

[quartz kindle]

ye

changing subjects

i find this amusing

CrowdStrike Engineering has identified a content deployment related to this issue and reverted those changes.
Workaround Steps:

1. Boot Windows into Safe Mode or the Windows
   Recovery Environment
2. Navigate to the
   C: Windows/System32|drivers/CrowdStrike
   directory
3. Locate the file matching "C-00000291*sys", and delete it.
4. Boot the host normally.

also, why brazil was not affected

[sharp geyser]

wtf is crowdstrike

[quartz kindle]

you didnt see the whole outage thing?

they are like a security company responsible for updating shit for other companies

they pushed a bad update and broke millions of pcs, including airports, banks, and shit

[sharp geyser]

rip

Sounds like a skill issue on their part

[quartz kindle]

yup

[sharp geyser]

but nah

I didnt hear about the outage

All I know is https://clownstrike.com exists

[proven lantern]

wasn't the binary a bunch of 0s?

[quartz kindle]

Crowdstrike is known for producing antivirus software, intended to prevent hackers from causing this very type of disruption.

lmfao

[quartz kindle]

lmfao

also, i found this comment on reddit

Fun fact: I'm a former Firefox dev. The leading cause of headaches was anti-viruses that just linked themselves to Firefox and started doing arbitrary things in memory, instead of using the APIs dedicated to let anti-viruses do their job properly. In my experience, all the crashes were attributed to Firefox by users who (of course) had no way of knowing better.

So this fiasco feels extremely familiar.

Perhaps now people will start being cautious about security software and realize that some of them are actually more dangerous than the harm they're supposed to avoid

[sharp geyser]

I see nothing wrong there

all 0's is a good thing

[proven lantern]

very true

the problem was actually the code that referenced this code didn't check for null before dereferencing

[sharp geyser]

bah

how could that cause issues

[proven lantern]

null causing all the problems again

[sharp geyser]

that sounds like every developer ever

I never check for null

I just let shit happen

I go with the flow yknow

[proven lantern]

that works

people with that mindset work on the kernel now

sad times

[quartz kindle]

people be doing if(!var) on C and ASM

:^)

[sharp geyser]

Ah yes

bools in C

Love it

[neon tusk]

if im developer and i submitted a new bot is it going to be quick than before or the same ?

[sharp geyser]

Depends on the queue size

If you are asking if you get special treatment because you already have a bot on the site the answer is no.

You wait just like everyone else

[civic scroll]

@quartz kindle question: are dropped frames "saved frames" or "lost frames"

[small tangle]

should be the latter

[civic scroll]

as in performance issue?

[real rose]

YOOO that's so cool. Thanks for the update

[frosty gale]

me when I deref 0 in my kernel driver: page fault

thing is if it wasn't for windows following good osdev practices this bug probably would've went unnoticed

the driver is still bound to page tables so when it tried to deref 0 that area of memory was unmapped which caused the blue screen

otherwise it would've just allowed it

since well the driver runs in kernel mode (probably) so it can do anything

including deref 0

[quartz kindle]

@green kestrel why are so many people running D++ on windows @_@

[radiant kraken]

why not

[quartz kindle]

possibly but not necessarly, dropped frames can happen for a variety of reasons

[civic scroll]

wanna see the funny

[quartz kindle]

yes

[civic scroll]

fyi

[quartz kindle]

xD

[frosty gale]

why wouldnt they

its always linux this linux that

maybe some people want their trusted corporate overlord microsoft to run their app

[quartz kindle]

ah yes, and also hire crowdstrike to manage it

[radiant kraken]

hot

[green kestrel]

because windows is the most popular OS

most bots are run directly on peoples desktops not on a VPS

(unfortunately)

can tell that from what percentage of bots are offline when reviewed here on top.gg

[radiant kraken]

is that a bad thing because i use windows

[green kestrel]

if it works for you

im planning on getting rid of windows 10 on this laptop and moving to kde

im fed up of upgrade to 11 by buying new hardware nags

[quartz kindle]

you can also go w11 LTSC

iirc they removed those checks there

[green kestrel]

but no

lol

im not running a crippled windows 11

[quartz kindle]

understandable have a nice day

[green kestrel]

i do actually use bitlocker and stuff, it cripples them

[quartz kindle]

i mean, is it really crippled when all the stuff it removes is useless?

[green kestrel]

bitlocker isnt useless

[quartz kindle]

it is for me :^)

[green kestrel]

so youre ok with id someone steals your device, they have all your data?

[quartz kindle]

sure

[green kestrel]

do you use online banking? buy anything online?

[quartz kindle]

not on the pc no

[green kestrel]

but the accounts you pay for are on your pc?

[quartz kindle]

some i guess, like facebook and shit

but my pc doesnt even have a password

it has literally zero security on it

[green kestrel]

youre a hackers dream

[quartz kindle]

because i dont care :)

[green kestrel]

its because of people with machines like yours that stuff like crowdstrike exists.

[quartz kindle]

its my personal machine, not a business machine tho

[green kestrel]

you not caring affects everyone else

[quartz kindle]

i dont need security on my personal stuff

[green kestrel]

you can easily become part of some botnet, or otherwise end up participating in things that are detrimental to the stability of the internet as a whole

[quartz kindle]

yeah im not that dumb

[green kestrel]

ok! then leave your front door unlocked each time you go out 🙂

[quartz kindle]

i dont run random software downloaded from strange websites

[green kestrel]

your house is just your personal stuff, doesnt matter

doesnt need a lockpassword

[quartz kindle]

lmao

thats not really a good analogy but ok

irl houses dont have firewalls and network systems in front of it

[green kestrel]

sure it is

the stuff on your pc has value, the resources of your pc have value

just as your tv, your phone, your clothes etc have value

[green kestrel]

no your house has a lock, and a door, and walls

[quartz kindle]

the only value the pc has is resale value for the thief

[green kestrel]

no

[quartz kindle]

nobody cares about data

[green kestrel]

thats an ignorant assumption

[quartz kindle]

i live in brazil

[green kestrel]

your pc still can run code

thats what a haker wants it for

they dont give a shit about what you do on facebook

[quartz kindle]

why would they steal it and then run code on it

[green kestrel]

they want to make it part of a botnet to do criminal activities, or to mine coins, or send spam

[quartz kindle]

they only steal to sell

[green kestrel]

no, they dont need to STEAL it

beause you dont encrypt it, you dont password it, you have left it wide open

[quartz kindle]

that doesnt leave it open from the internet

only from the physical use

[green kestrel]

no, but not passwording and encrypting it does weaken it massively, it only takes one zero day remote exploit, and there are no protections on the accounts

i bet you even run as administrator

[quartz kindle]

yes i do

[green kestrel]

smh

[quartz kindle]

its my machine, i own it

[green kestrel]

its the hakers machine too, they own it

😄

[quartz kindle]

i dont need to have any software running on it with higher permissions than mine

[quartz kindle]

yeah good luck hacking it then

[green kestrel]

do you install ALL windows updates the day they are released?

[quartz kindle]

no

[green kestrel]

then how can you say youre secure and wont get hacked

[quartz kindle]

i have windows update disabled

only update every once in a while

[green kestrel]

really, im done talking about this with you

as far as security goes, youre a n00b

[quartz kindle]

i dont have hacker paranoia

[green kestrel]

[quartz kindle]

i've literally never had any problem

i've had wayyyy more problems with windows update and with microsoft shit

[green kestrel]

then dont complain the day someone takes down all your bots and steals your token, from your un-updated dev machine via a key logger or trojan

[quartz kindle]

yeah never gonna happen

[neon leaf]

Can I make it happen sir

[green kestrel]

making a note of this conversation for later

[quartz kindle]

lmao

this kind of paranoia is what makes machines swlo af

antiviruses cause more problems than they solve

all security does

[green kestrel]

i dont run an antivirus

[quartz kindle]

the whole crowdstrike problem is proof

[green kestrel]

or security software

but i do have a firewall (hardware), i do have a password, i do have my drives hardware encrypted, and i dont run all my stuff at highest privilege

[quartz kindle]

explain to me how does hdd encryption protect from hacking

[green kestrel]

because an intruder cant just read raw sectors off your device

bypassing the OS security

[quartz kindle]

if they hack into the machine, the machine is already running

[green kestrel]

thtas one reason

[quartz kindle]

so the hdd is already decryteed

[green kestrel]

yes, but they dont have the key, just because its running

the key is stored in the TPM

[quartz kindle]

they have access to the running machine

[green kestrel]

you know, that chip you said to bypass

you cant just query the TPM for the key

[quartz kindle]

why need the key when the hacker can run remote commands on the already running machine?

[green kestrel]

because youre not running as administrator right? so they can only run commands as YOUR user

which means they cant read or change those OS files that arent accessible to your user...

[quartz kindle]

thats just user privilege, not directly related to hdd encryption

[green kestrel]

this is the default in linux, NOBODY runs everything as root

[quartz kindle]

if they get admin access, they can use the running machine anyway, regardless of hdd encryption

[green kestrel]

still

encryption costs you nothing in terms of cpu

it doesnt slow down your pc

you should use it if you have it

[quartz kindle]

i costs a lot in terms of being recoverable

[frosty gale]

a lot of noobs especially in IT run all their applications under root because its easier

[green kestrel]

eh what, how? you going to forget your password?

oh wait you dont use one

[frosty gale]

but its the worst thing you could do

[quartz kindle]

a damaged encrypted drive is hell for data recovery

[green kestrel]

whats your facebook password, an empty string?

[quartz kindle]

i've had to deal with that way mroe times than with hacking

[green kestrel]

if its damaged, youre fucked anyway

i think youre confusing hardware encryption that is part of the SSD firmware, with shitty software encryption

[quartz kindle]

i am talking about hardware encryption

i'll never use that crap

[frosty gale]

i would never use hardware encryption either

[quartz kindle]

the only thing it protects again is from unauthorized physical access

[frosty gale]

it probably has 50 different backdoors

[quartz kindle]

and if anything bad happens, yeah good luck getting your data back

[frosty gale]

my bitlocker doesnt use the tpm, only a strong password i type in on boot

[green kestrel]

windows 11?

[frosty gale]

yeah but its because i disabled it explicitly

[green kestrel]

btw if any of you have a phone youre basically forced to use all this security stuff you all profess to hate

[quartz kindle]

well, google did try to encrypt my phone, i pressed no tho

[frosty gale]

thats why it kills me when i see people using their phones for OPSEC of any type

unless its some off brand with a custom OS you cant trust it for anything

[green kestrel]

how do you unlock your phone

[quartz kindle]

my phone didnt even have a lock screen for a long time, i was forced to add one because of an app that doesnt work without it

[green kestrel]

so if someone steals your phone theyd have had everything?

all your accounts, your photos, possibly a 2fa app?

[quartz kindle]

not right now because it has a lock screen

[green kestrel]

ability to send texts and whatapp as you?

but they could before?

[quartz kindle]

before they could yes

[green kestrel]

thats awful

lucky you put a lock screen on it now

ever had your phone stolen? i have

[quartz kindle]

i have yes

and you know what they do?

they instantly shut it down and remove trhe battery to prevent tracking

then they facgtory reset it

and resell

[green kestrel]

i know what they did with mine, because i got it back 😄

[frosty gale]

the tim we see here now might be some random Brazilian thief from having his phone stolen