development

[sharp geyser]

Looks like I have to download the file

😔

Really didn't want to do that

[quartz kindle]

what kind of info are you looking for?

[sharp geyser]

exactly what I said

the stream data of the file

[quartz kindle]

wdym by stream data

[sharp geyser]

bro

the contents of the image?

Like the raw data

[quartz kindle]

thats literally the file itself?

[sharp geyser]

its a discord attachment

[quartz kindle]

when you said "without download" i though you meant like, metadata or something

the stream is literally the download

[sharp geyser]

I was trying to see if I can avoid downloading the file to get the raw data of said file

[quartz kindle]

thats literally downloading the file

@_@

[sharp geyser]

yea well tim, here's the thing I am not smart

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

I just didn't want to download the file only to upload it using minio to a nother location on the same server

💀

[quartz kindle]

you cant not download the file, what you can is not wait until the download is complete before uploading

[sharp geyser]

Honestly, I wonder if I can download the file to my minio bucket folder and just have minio fetch it

Im not sure how minio works internally if it stores any kind of data to easily find the files or not but im sure it just reads through the dir (bucket) until it finds the file it needs

[quartz kindle]

if you pipe the download stream into an upload stream, thats basically redirecting the download to the upload

[sharp geyser]

no idea how to do that in C#

[quartz kindle]

its still downloading the file, just immediately uploading it again as the download comes in

without saving the file

[sharp geyser]

How does that even work

[quartz kindle]

you know how streams work right?

[sharp geyser]

not really no

first time messing with em

[quartz kindle]

ok so

a stream is like an event emitter but also a data manager

a stream object can receive data and can emit data

so for example, a network connection uses a stream object to emit data events as the data comes in

you can also create a write stream to send data through it

the thing about streams is that the data always flows in pieces

small parts at a time

thats why its like an event emitter

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

when you open a file on your pc, the program creates a stream of that file

and slowly reads it from disk

you get data events for each piece that it reads

and you can do things with it as it comes in, withou waiting to load trhe entire file at once

[sharp geyser]

I see

so do I have to build those pieces together as they come in then upload, or do I just upload the pieces as they come

[quartz kindle]

you can upload the pieces as they come, that way you dont need to store them nor assemble them

youre basically proxying the download

[sharp geyser]

Icic

[quartz kindle]

streams have built in methods to make this easier

called pipes

[sharp geyser]

time to figure out how to do this in C#

[quartz kindle]

so you can pipe from one stream to another

and it takes care of doiung it for you

for example in js:

const abc = fs.createReadStream("somefile")
const xyz = fs.createWriteStream("newfile")

abc.pipe(xyz)

that is the same thing as:

const abc = fs.createReadStream("somefile")
const xyz = fs.createWriteStream("newfile")

abc.on("data", chunk => {
  xyz.write(chunk)
})

so what you want is to get the download stream and pipe it into the upload stream

[sharp geyser]

Yea so thats all fine and dandy

but doing this in C# is going to be painful if idk the classes to use.

Googling gives me shit from 10 years ago that are now deprecated and no longer work

[quartz kindle]

rip

[sharp geyser]

MinIO API responded with message=Data read 0 is shorter than the size 5077 of input buffer.

wtf is this even supposed to mean

maybe discord wont let me read the data from it

[quartz kindle]

theres no such thing

[sharp geyser]

well

now im getting a new error

[2024-06-22 21:08:14 -04:00] [0 /Showcase ] [Crit ] Cannot access a closed Stream.

for some odd fucking reason the stream is closing

[quartz kindle]

check connection status

also, if you want to use the stream, you cant do anything else with it

stuff like reading headers or body will automatically download the stream, which closes it

[sharp geyser]

            using (var client = new HttpClient())
            {
                using (var response = await client.GetAsync(picture.Url, HttpCompletionOption.ResponseContentRead))
                {
                    response.EnsureSuccessStatusCode();

                    using (var stream = await response.Content.ReadAsStreamAsync())
                    {
                        args
                        .WithBucket("showcase")
                        .WithObject($"petpics/{image_id}.{picture.MediaType.Split('/')[1]}")
                        .WithObjectSize(picture.FileSize)
                        .WithStreamData(stream)
                        .WithContentType(picture.MediaType.ToString())
                        .WithServerSideEncryption(ssec)
                        .WithProgress(progress);
                    }
                }
            }

this is all im doing tho?

[quartz kindle]

response =await client.GetStreamAsync

[sharp geyser]

what

[quartz kindle]

you get the stream from the client

not from the response

the stream itself is the response

[sharp geyser]

oh

💀

MinIO API responded with message=Data read 0 is shorter than the size 5077 of input buffer.

bro

what

😭

Wtf am I doing wrong

How is it 0

[quartz kindle]

reading the docs and shit

client.GetStreamAsync returns Task<Stream>

.WithStreamData expects Stream

so you need to get the Stream from the Task first

[sharp geyser]

time to figure that out

[quartz kindle]

altough, shouldnt await do that?

[quartz kindle]

also, how do you have picture.FileSize?

where are you getting the size from?

[sharp geyser]

[Option("picture", "Picture you want to upload!")] DiscordAttachment picture

its a slash command option

[sharp geyser]

I thought so

[quartz kindle]

ah so you get it from discord ok

[sharp geyser]

but if I do response. it shows a lot of methods

it is a stream

but its nullable

[spark flint]

Cba to read the code but

Are you setting a content-size header

[quartz kindle]

how about this

    using(var response = await client.GetAsync("http://httpbin.org/get", HttpCompletionOption.ResponseHeadersRead))
    {
        if(response.IsSuccessStatusCode)
        {
            using (var stream = await response.Content.ReadAsStreamAsync())
            using (var streamReader = new StreamReader(stream))

[spark flint]

Sometimes s3 can be fussy

[sharp geyser]

                  args
                        .WithBucket("showcase")
                        .WithObject($"petpics/{image_id}.{picture.MediaType.Split('/')[1]}")
                        .WithObjectSize(picture.FileSize)
                        .WithStreamData(response)
                        .WithContentType(picture.MediaType.ToString())
                        .WithServerSideEncryption(ssec)
                        .WithProgress(progress);
``` thats what WithObjectSize does according to the docs

[spark flint]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/77645138/minio-api-responded-with-message-data-read-0-is-shorter-than-the-size-of-input-b

[sharp geyser]

streamReader.BaseStream?

[sharp geyser]

I saw that, but that doesn't help

[sharp geyser]

honestly bout to say fuck it and just make my own minio

[sharp geyser]

this returns a new error

[Error] MinIO API responded with message=Data read 0 is shorter than the size 1258 of input buffer.

[lament rock]

:)

You find out pretty quickly why popular libs are the way they are

[sharp geyser]

I find out very quickly I fucking hate popular libs

[neon leaf]

it actually happened

the first cuid2 colliided

rjns-mcvapi_web | ERR 23.06.2024, 11:15:04 HTTP Request Error
rjns-mcvapi_web | (http.handle.onRequest)
rjns-mcvapi_web |
rjns-mcvapi_web | PrismaClientKnownRequestError:
rjns-mcvapi_web | Invalid prisma.aPIRequest.create() invocation:
rjns-mcvapi_web |
rjns-mcvapi_web |
rjns-mcvapi_web | Unique constraint failed on the fields: (id)
rjns-mcvapi_web | at In.handleRequestError (/app/server/node_modul

[sharp geyser]

L

[green kestrel]

i think ive reached the practical limit

822mb 😮

[sharp geyser]

thats like

impossible to achieve in js

[neon leaf]

time to work off the backlog now

[rigid maple]

I don't want a border at the intersection of the topbar and sidebar. Is there anything I can do?
Adding border-l-white to topbar doesn't work.

i'm using tailwindcss

[pearl trail]

maybe try using outline instead?

there is outline offset

not sure about tailwindcss version

[rigid maple]

thank you

I guess we don't have the chance to give the outline to a single side, like a border?

[eternal osprey]

ain't no way. I left my program run overnight and it tripled the data 😭

deadass went from 8tb -> 24tb cuz i am not removing intermediate keys and i am copying each block 3x to be more error resilient when processing in scala lmao.

[dusky idol]

how can I get the members having x role in a specific server?
.jsk py
g = ctx.guild
role = await g.get_role(1216080016048259303)
yield len(role.members)

this returns 1 which is false now, well it used to work not anymore

I believe because the bot is in a lot of guilds and doesnt get to cacheup etc?

[frosty gale]

whats the best/most performant html parsing library in js? im thinking of writing an email quote parsing library that also handles HTML

since the only one i saw on npm is 10 years old and doesnt support HTML emails

i remember hearing about cheerio but it sounds kinda heavy

actually ill probably end up using cheerio

oh actually i want it to run in the browser but i dont think cheerio supports that

[pale vessel]

cheerio is just an implementation of jquery

[frosty gale]

i am not importing jquery

[pale vessel]

maybe you can use whatever they use under the hood

[frosty gale]

i guess my thing would just have to use a hybrid approach that detects the environment

if its node it will use cheerios parser

if not im sure browsers have the ability to parse and modify HTML

although that will be annoying

[neon leaf]

I use node-html-parser

its pretty much the browser api

but in node

[pale vessel]

they want the opposite

[neon leaf]

well just create an element

[frosty gale]

ive looked at that but not sure if it can work in the browser

[neon leaf]

do element.innerHtml = whatever

and use that

[frosty gale]

if i were to make a library id want it to work both in browser and node

but for now i can write a frontend implementation

you can do it natively im pretty sure that way

i could make 2 libraries, one for node and one for frontend but that can be annoying

yeah in the browser i can use DOMParser which is probably very fast since it uses the same backend as the browser for parsing pages and manipulating DOM

[frosty gale]

for node I can use this library that way i can retain as much of the same code as possible, but not sure how id go about that hybrid approach

[slender wagon]

Guys lets say my chrome got corrupted. How do i decrypt my cookies from the folder

[slender wagon]

Scientific research bts

Oh so there is this master key

[slender wagon]

I could see it done with Deno. But it really depends on what the bot does

[slender wagon]

What lib are u using

[quartz kindle]

theres nothing deno can do that node cant

[quartz kindle]

D++, his own C++ discord lib

[slender wagon]

Yeah i can't speak without testing

[slender wagon]

Thats actually crazy lol

[neon leaf]

its possible, if you display fake server counts

[quartz kindle]

:^)

its also possible if you offload the entire cache

[neon leaf]

onto a floppy disk?

[quartz kindle]

yes

[neon leaf]

ok

[slender wagon]

Lmao, but nah honestly discordeno is good

Idk if u have looked into it

[neon leaf]

🔥🔥

[slender wagon]

Servers?

[neon leaf]

yes totally

the screenshot is definitely not an sql query related to requests

[slender wagon]

Requests for what

[neon leaf]

http requests

[slender wagon]

Bruh

[slender wagon]

Do u use prisma

[neon leaf]

sadly yes

[green kestrel]

I kept my http request counter going by mistake for 4 years on triviabot

[slender wagon]

Prisma is a life saver wym sadly

[green kestrel]

when I checked it said 90 million

[neon leaf]

prisma is slow as fuck

[slender wagon]

Crazy

[neon leaf]

drizzle on top

[green kestrel]

hmm what's prisma again?

[neon leaf]

db orm

[green kestrel]

ah

[slender wagon]

Do u just use raw sql

[green kestrel]

sure

raw sql with cached prepared statements

[neon leaf]

íts impossible to use prisma without some raw sql too

[green kestrel]

designed in an external app

[neon leaf]

way too restricting

[green kestrel]

I build my queries on mysql workbench then use explain to optimise them

[slender wagon]

For my apps i only had to create schema and thats about it

[green kestrel]

I do like having migrations

[neon leaf]

this is about 10x slower with prisma

sometimes 50x slower

[green kestrel]

trying to manage dev, test and live without migrations is painful

[slender wagon]

Migrations are indeed the main reason i use an ORM

[green kestrel]

I usually roll out migrations from the web using Laravel eloquent

[slender wagon]

What u are using rn does it support node or bun

[green kestrel]

and then raw queries on the C++ side

[neon leaf]

prisma

im slowly switching to drizzle

[slender wagon]

Does drizzle support node

[neon leaf]

yes

I only use node

[slender wagon]

Okay

[neon leaf]

bun is slow

deno is bad

https://orm.drizzle.team/

[slender wagon]

Do u just use discord.js

[neon leaf]

sometimes

[slender wagon]

Mainly

?

[neon leaf]

depends

only if I need a full bot i do

otherwise i raw dog the ws

[green kestrel]

https://github.com/brainboxdotcc/ssod/blob/main/src/commands/achievements.cpp#L65

this is what queries look like in my bots

[slender wagon]

One of my friend save 80% resources switching to deno

[green kestrel]

all my bots share a similar db namespace, they just work differently internally on the newer bots

[slender wagon]

Nice

[neon leaf]

I save 5ms cpu time per request by staying on node (compared to bun)

[slender wagon]

Bun spares me the pain of setting up tsc

[neon leaf]

bun leaks memory for me

[green kestrel]

I saved most CPU time per request by:

1. caching prepared statements instead of preparing every time
2. switching to Unix sockets for connection

first one cuts the time per request by orders of magnitude

[slender wagon]

Brain be braining

[neon leaf]

ye prepared stmts are amazing

[slender wagon]

Where r ur servers located

[green kestrel]

you can do that on most db libs

[neon leaf]

what is also amazing is running most unimportant stuff after the request finishes

[green kestrel]

but everyone seems to follow the pattern of.... oh look a query! prepare, execute, get results

you can cut out that first step and it's mega slow

[slender wagon]

R u using mysql or psql

[green kestrel]

mysql

oh and I run mysql on localhost

not managed

[slender wagon]

Thats the way lol

[neon leaf]

i dont get why people do it externally

[green kestrel]

if I need to I can do replication

[slender wagon]

Same unless u run it in aws with rds

[neon leaf]

I replicate to usa, singapore and eu currently

[green kestrel]

one less thing to manage, they're intimidated by it's configuration

especially for master master replication

[neon leaf]

yeah master master is above my level

I use master -> slave, slave

[slender wagon]

Do u use a dedi or smthn like aws

[green kestrel]

I'm not replicating rn though

I have two dedicated servers, one holds sporks and triviabot and their DBs, the other is for seven spells and beholder and their DBs (and sites/dashboards)

both are now massively over specified

[slender wagon]

Oof

Is horizontal scaling a thing on bot dev?

[green kestrel]

I could run all the bots on a potato and I'm paying for servers that could run a js bot

sure, my bots are kinda built for it

but in practice I won't need to scale at all until tens of millions of guilds and that isn't gonna happen lol

[slender wagon]

Cpp coming in handy

[neon leaf]

idk if im gonna be learning go or c++ as my second lang

I like both

[slender wagon]

Go if u wanna get hired

[green kestrel]

CPP is fun

[slender wagon]

Rust if u wanna overkill

[neon leaf]

rust is shit

i hate the syntax

i hate the compiling

[earnest phoenix]

Cached in which way?

[spark flint]

hi krypton

[green kestrel]

when you call prepare, mysql returns a pointer to a struct, store it alongside the query string and pointers for the parameters

[spark flint]

long time no see

[green kestrel]

when you want to execute it again fill the pointers and call execute

[earnest phoenix]

Aren't prepared statements already getting cached on the DBMS?

[green kestrel]

not in that way no

they're cached by the dbms only if you save that structure

that's your handle

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah, so the difference is significant enough?

[green kestrel]

otherwise every time you tell the db server to reparse the query string for parameters

[earnest phoenix]

sup

[green kestrel]

yes, you cut out a whole interpretation of a text based language

it's like the difference between compiling a C program then running it, or just running it

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah but I learned that it caches the statements and then just replaces the parameters

As being the default behavior of prepared statements

[green kestrel]

not if you discard the struct

some high level libs will retain that for you

in C and C++ it's your job

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah fair enough

[green kestrel]

you can time the difference with a profiler, it takes the time to execute some queries down from 1ms to 0.1ms

[earnest phoenix]

Well if there is effectively a difference then it surely does help

[green kestrel]

triviabot doesn't do this caching btw

it does other stuff, with a thread pool

triviabot has different database needs than seven spells

[earnest phoenix]

Not worth it or not the motivation to do it?

[green kestrel]

different requirements

triviabot has other abilities to push a db query to the background

if i dont care about its results, i can push it to a second thread

where it runs some time later

but the function returns near instantly

seven spells doesnt have this (yet)

also triviabot has a connection pool of many connetions and round robins queries between inactive connections

[lyric mountain]

tf is mainheading?

?

any example or image?

[lyric mountain]

^

[frosty gale]

think they mean a h1 or something

probably bot page on topgg or something

or on discord

markdoown

big thing

[pale vessel]

yeah, you're not supposed to

it's supposed to be a very short description of your bot

you shouldn't need to bold

[quartz kindle]

you can use css in description

to edit headline

[lyric mountain]

it'll only affect it when inside your bot page

not in the bot list

also can you even do it anymore? the css classes are changing all the time

you cant use markdown there

what tim means is that you can force styles upon the headline using css in the long description

but this will only change if inside the bot page, not at the bot listing

[rigid maple]

Is there a way to change all scrollbars with single css?

[digital swan]

can you not use * {}

[sharp geyser]

wdym

in what context?

oh you are talking about in css

Sure you can do that if you are making a global css file

but if you want to fine tune the scrollbars or other aspects of a page individually its better to tap into that class itself

[lyric mountain]

do u want to only change the color or...?

[eternal osprey]

I have been waiting in the queue for fucking 21h

My cluster is clogged

deadass constipation

its over

[sharp geyser]

dw our brs are fast

[tawny condor]

!help

[hard wyvern]

Help Menu - Page 2 of 3

guess: Play a number guessing game.
help: Displays the help menu.
ping: Display the ping
quiz: Play a trivia quiz game.
spam: Spam a message repeatedly

[solemn latch]

hmm, which one

!spam test

[hard wyvern]

You do not have permission to use this command.

[solemn latch]

oh 😦

[tawny condor]

A self bot

[solemn latch]

But I wanna

!ping

[hard wyvern]

There was an error trying to execute that command!

[tawny condor]

Found him in my server lol

[solemn latch]

!help

[hard wyvern]

Help Menu - Page 1 of 3

addy: Display the owner ltc
avatar: Displays the avatar.
calc: Perform arithmetic calculations.
donate: Provides the donation address for Litecoin.
getbal: Get the balance of a Litecoin address

[solemn latch]

!calc 1+1

[hard wyvern]

Result of 1+1 = 2

[solemn latch]

lmao

[tawny condor]

💀

!addy

[hard wyvern]

My Addy

Address: ltc1q7eaxgncqv7cqecz4sseucge0m09qmezk33qlda
Confirmed Balance: 0 LTC
Estimated Balance (INR): ₹0.00

[solemn latch]

!calc 1:99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

[hard wyvern]

An error occurred while calculating. Please check your expression.

[solemn latch]

😦

[tawny condor]

Well handled

[solemn latch]

alrighty, done goofing with it @tawny condor

[tawny condor]

Thanks lol

A self bot have nitro and I don’t 😔

[quartz kindle]

what the fuck lmao

[sharp geyser]

WAIT

I HAVENT HAD MY FUN

😭

I wanted to see if the calc function would return a token

[solemn latch]

It would have just been the users token

[sharp geyser]

exactly

what better way to troll them then to delete their account

rahhhhh /j

[rigid maple]

color radius etc.

[sharp geyser]

problem with modifying scrollbars is that Safari, Chrome, and Edge all use --webkit-scrollbar-x but firefox doesn't

mozilla has limited support for customizing scrollbars

as for how to do this

https://w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_custom_scrollbar.asp

Easiest way to see is by looking here

It tells you how to do this on Safari, Chrome, Edge and Opera

[rigid maple]

I'm using svelte and even though I place css code in the style in app.html, the scrollbar does not change.

[sharp geyser]

Firefox is different where it only has scrollbar-width and scrollbar-color

[sharp geyser]

Are you importing the css file into the html?

I dont remember how svelte handles global styles

[rigid maple]

Oh I did it somehow and now it's working

[rigid maple]

this worked for me thank you

[sharp geyser]

sweet!

[radiant kraken]

ha L blud has zero balance

[pearl trail]

also ltc what

linus tech c??

[radiant kraken]

L-coin

[pearl trail]

L

[neon leaf]

Yes

[wheat mesa]

Why bother making your own?

If you want random and truly unique, use GUIDs

If you’re just generating random bytes then there’s a very tiny chance you get the same number twice

Very very tiny but still possible

[lyric mountain]

another option is to just allow the database itself to generate the value

besides, why not just use a sequential number?

[frosty gale]

boring

real programmers assert their dominance by using long and complicated strings as IDs

(literally every big tech)

[lyric mountain]

there's little value in using random numbers when an autoincrement column would do

[lyric mountain]

hash the user_id then

unless you want to allow one user to have many sessions

[quartz kindle]

one session for each device

[quartz kindle]

its not that hard, if session cookie is present check if its a valid session in db, else delete cookie and redirect to login page

if there is no session cookie, show login page

[pearl trail]

https://chibi.takiyo.us/iypGdqr0JkRw.png is there any magic that i don't know in c# !???

[dawn socket]

how can i add svg in my vote log?

[quartz kindle]

no idea, but you could try adding Log.Information(result.FirstOrDefault() != null) as well as the "yeah", both before the if

[pearl trail]

oki imma do that

[dawn socket]

im using sharp/SVGtoPNG but it is reducing the image quality

[quartz kindle]

what png settings are you using? quality, size, etc

[pearl trail]

uh yeah damn idk is it because of the driver or c#, once result.FirstOrDefault() called, the next call will return null

[warm surge]

something like this?

[pearl trail]

💀

[quartz kindle]

that makes sense, once a value is consumed it is removed from memory

many things use such a system, like streams

[pearl trail]

oohh it's about memory,, pretty expected from c family langs lmao

[dawn socket]

const pngBuffer = await sharp(Buffer.from(svgData))
            .png()
            .toBuffer();```

[pearl trail]

thanks anyways!

[dawn socket]

i'm using sharp here

[quartz kindle]

check the sharp docs to configure the png settings

[dawn socket]

okay

[quartz kindle]

svg does not have a size by default, you need to specify the size you want

[dawn socket]

ohh

[lyric mountain]

converting vector images (svg) to raster images (png, jpg, webp, etc) will always incur a quality loss

simply because svg has infinite detail, whereas png is constrained to pixels

also if ur using it to draw, you can use canvas instead of svg, this way you remove the middleman conversion

[dawn socket]

yup i'm using canvas

[lyric mountain]

then why are u converting from svg to png?

[pearl trail]

canvas on node right?

[lyric mountain]

iso format

[quartz kindle]

ew

timestamp ftw

[lyric mountain]

timestamp does not store timezone info

[pearl trail]

it is +0 isn't it

[sharp geyser]

Wdym

You realistically shouldn't

You can't really serialize the entire struct like that

you would have to serialize a side effect of one of the functions on it as it gives a proper return value

[lyric mountain]

it's just offset to epoch

how many millis since it

[quartz kindle]

yeah timestamp is always utc

but even so, if you do need the timezone you can store it as two values, like [timestamp, timezone]

still probably more space efficient than ISO xD

or better yet, if you need a string version, you can do base64timestamp+-base64timezoneoffset

[sharp geyser]

hey tim

question

what's the diff between a for and a while loop? Like syntactically I know the difference, but beyond that

Like why is there a need for two loops

[lament rock]

for is for iteration over an IterableIterator. While does stuff while a condition is true which can be totally unrelated to iteration

[sharp geyser]

fair

[lament rock]

Well, you can treat for like a while loop kinda, but for loops usually just go in the direction of for (let i = 0; i < someInt; i++) meaning it has a definite lifetime

[sharp geyser]

i see

you can do like

for(let i = 0; ;i++){}

to make it essentially a while loop right?

or iirc you can even do for(;;){} ?

at least in js

[lament rock]

I can't say if those are syntactically correct as I've never encountered them or used them but if so then probably. Then you'd just escape that loop with break;

[sharp geyser]

I wonder

let me test them

[lyric mountain]

it is correct

none of the for arguments are required

[sharp geyser]

yea

I just tested it it works

kind of neat

but you have to pass it something don't you?

[lyric mountain]

for (int i = 0; i < MAX; i++) {
  ...
}
``` is transformed into ```java
int i = 0;
while (i < MAX) {
  ...
  i++;
}
``` during compilation

[sharp geyser]

I figured

I just wasn't sure how to ask what it did under the hood properly

[lament rock]

I think when the JIT goes over a for loop, if it has a fixed lifetime, it can just unroll the loop making it just execute a fixed number of times which is more performant

[sharp geyser]

Cause I was looking at it and wondering, is for just a glorified while loop?

Just supposed to be "nicer" way of writing it

[lyric mountain]

correct, but there's a threshold for that

it applies to both for and while loops btw

as they're effectively the same

[lament rock]

Yeah. I've had my fair share of unrolling in GPU shaders

[lyric mountain]

it's a way to have your loop wrapped into a single block

also helps that the variable is promptly available for GC as soon as it exits the loop

[lament rock]

Unless you're using var :)

[lyric mountain]

if you're using var you're cordially invited to gtfo

[sharp geyser]

I use var often

[lyric mountain]

(in javascript)

[sharp geyser]

yea ik what you meant

💀

[lyric mountain]

wait till u learn about goto and comefrom

[sharp geyser]

wym

I use em DAILY

[quartz kindle]

people actually do that

[sharp geyser]

but why tho

[quartz kindle]

because its shorter to type than while(true){}

[sharp geyser]

just do while(true)

lazy mfs

[quartz kindle]

lmao

yeah

[sharp geyser]

although

im talkin bout programmers

so I guess I cant say much

[quartz kindle]

but basically while and for exist to cover two different cases, one where you know exactly how many iterations its gonna take, and one where you dont

[sharp geyser]

icic

but for loop is basically just a while loop beefed up a little

[quartz kindle]

yup

[sharp geyser]

like you can do what a for loop can in a while loop

albeit more code

[quartz kindle]

but i guess knowing how many iterations can make it easier to optimize at the compile level

because you can "unroll" loops

and convert it into linear code

[sharp geyser]

I see

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

basically the compiler can compress the loop into fewer iterations that do more at once

cant do that if the loop conditions are unknown

[pearl trail]

my competition when giving me that code and asking me to resolve it manually without a computer:

[quartz kindle]

grab your pen and paper :^)

[quartz kindle]

also, just noticed that kuuhaku and papi already answered the question before,sorry for butting in³³³³³³³³³³³³³³³³³³²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²

[spark pebble]

edit again, i dare you

damn he did it

[pearl trail]

ong

[spark pebble]

this guy

[pearl trail]

Tim trying to hit the discord's rate limit:

[deft wolf]

No, he's just cluttering up that user's chat (I assume)

[spark pebble]

(incorrectly)

[quartz kindle]

so guys

i have an issue

my mic has randomly stopped working on discord, out of nowhere

i was in a call, and somewhere in the middle of the call i noticed people couldnt hear my and my icon wouldnt turn green

ever since then i already reinstalled discord, restarted pc, etc and my mic still refuses to work on discord

but it works on windows audio test and browsers audio tests lol

[warm surge]

mine kind of doing same thing but my whole discord stops working

[sharp geyser]

leave and rejoin the vc

if that dont work

make sure discord didn't swap the input channel

sometimes they like doing that on their own

[quartz kindle]

already did

even changed the audio thing to legacy and experimental

[sharp geyser]

hm

What mic do yo uhave

[sharp geyser]

if you dont mind me asking

[quartz kindle]

built in laptop mic

[sharp geyser]

oh uh

[quartz kindle]

just tested discord on the browser and it works fine there

[sharp geyser]

goodluck

[quartz kindle]

but on the desktop app it doesnt

[sharp geyser]

hm

I would say corrupted drivers

but if it works everywhere else

[quartz kindle]

yeah it works if i plug in a headset, but doesnt with the built in mic

im gonna try mess with drivers

[sharp geyser]

why is 3 < "3" valid

does js ignore the "" during comparison like that?

because if I do 3 < "6" it evaluates to true

[quartz kindle]

it tries to coerce it

x > y is generally equivalent to y < x, except that x > y coerces x to a primitive before y, while y < x coerces y to a primitive before x. Because coercion may have side effects, the order of the operands may matter.

[sharp geyser]

why though

That seems like something you shouldn't promote/allow

A number can't be greater than or less than a string

[quartz kindle]

it can

[sharp geyser]

How?

Unless you are doing length

[quartz kindle]

its used to compare string char codes

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

and order alphabetically

for example

[sharp geyser]

what

that dont make no sense

[quartz kindle]

aac is bigger than aab because aac comes after aab in alphabetical order

[sharp geyser]

but

nvm

I understand ya

[quartz kindle]

you can also see it via their character codes

97 97 99 is bigger than 97 97 98

[sharp geyser]

Honestly forgot charcodes was a thing

💀

so wait

oh wait nvm

I was about to answer my own question

[quartz kindle]

back to the audio thing

i found out the mic was having a lot of noise for some reason, so i rolledback to some older drivers and the noise is better, but still doesnt work

[civic scroll]

unfortunate

[quartz kindle]

then i disabled this

and now it works lol

ffs

if i chose single presenter or multi presenter, it stops working

wtf

fucking ai bullshit

[frosty gale]

buzzword for basic signal processing to remove some noise via high and low pass filters that has been around since computers were around

[quartz kindle]

yeah, but it used to work until now

then suddenly those 2 options got borked

well at least my mic works again

[sharp geyser]

did windows update?

[quartz kindle]

the weirdest thing is that it suddenly stopped working during a discord call

[sharp geyser]

an update could of borked it

[quartz kindle]

its possible

although im pretty sure my windows updates are off

[sharp geyser]

probably some windows engineer fucked up and their code had a bug in it

[quartz kindle]

windows engineers and asus engineers are all shit

i still like asus laptops tho

[sharp geyser]

it wouldn't be windows otherwise

💀

say what you will about apple

but their software is top notch

just the price is so fucking high

[quartz kindle]

their software is good because its only tested on a handful of proprietary platforms

[sharp geyser]

right

[quartz kindle]

so they have much more control over it and freedom to optimize

but sometimes they still produce garbage anyway

[sharp geyser]

indeed which I think is a good thing

its cool your os can work on a number of hardware and platforms

but that comes with stability costs

[quartz kindle]

i dont know what is the current state of macos, havent used it since like 10.7

[sharp geyser]

It's not terrible

[quartz kindle]

but i absolutely hated how apple would try to hide everything from the user

[sharp geyser]

Just the prices are so abnormally high its ridiculous

[quartz kindle]

there were literally no progress bars or any progress information for basic stuff like syncing, uploads, etc

[sharp geyser]

even the m1 and m2 chip macbooks are pricey

despite m3 and now m4 being a thing

[quartz kindle]

trying to download images from an iphone into a mac was such a pain

[sharp geyser]

quite honestly if you dont have a m series chip you dont buy a macbook for anything serious

you need a m series chip to do anything worth while

[quartz kindle]

yeah they are pretty good

but intel gen12+ are also very good

[civic scroll]

oh yeah

tim

speaking of mic issues

my mic array caused my system to bluescreen'd 4 times

[quartz kindle]

dafuq

[civic scroll]

just by unplugging my headphones

[quartz kindle]

dafuq²

[civic scroll]

same question

[quartz kindle]

man if only we could write drivers in js

we would just write our own drivers

and throw their garbage drivers out the window

[frosty gale]

i wanna laugh at this so bad

going through terrible job postings make my day

[quartz kindle]

rip

reminds me of that one where a job posting was asking for 10+ years of experience in something that only came out 4 years ago

[sharp geyser]

do it

Im sure if its you

you can find a way

💀

At this point im starting to question if you arent the one who wrote js

[frosty gale]

its actually quite simple

all you need to do is write some node gyp bindings so you can access kernel resources through js

you could even have the js read and write from memory locations

[quartz kindle]

lmao

there are 2 main issues tho

[frosty gale]

this is literally the only binding you need for this

void write_to_memory_location(JS_NUMBER address, JS_NUMBER value) {
  *(uint64_t*)address = value;
}

then you receive SIGSEGV

[sharp geyser]

signal seg v?

[quartz kindle]

1. the entire windows bullshit ecosystem you need to navigate through to make your thing be accepted as a driver and integrated into windows
2. the entire device io specs and shit which you probably wont find any resources about and would need to do shit like dump usb data and analyse low level registers and switches and what not

[frosty gale]

segmentation fault

[sharp geyser]

makes sense

[frosty gale]

although since youre kernel you wont get that

[sharp geyser]

you got this

[frosty gale]

youll just get undefined behaviour or the system will crash

[sharp geyser]

tim just read this book

:)

[quartz kindle]

lmao

i quit

[sharp geyser]

lol

[quartz kindle]

JS-OS when?

[frosty gale]

its already been done

https://github.com/NodeOS

[frosty gale]

although its kinda cheating since its user space that runs as js not kernel

but you could definitely make it kernel as well

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[quartz kindle]

kernel written in ts and compiled to asm

user interface powered by webkit

written with svelte

[civic scroll]

angularjs mentioned

[quartz kindle]

imagine, a kernel with v8 embedded into it

[civic scroll]

does it start like v8 tho

make it sound like one

[quartz kindle]

:^)

a kernel with an embedded v8 that runs the system core, and then spawns more v8 instances for system processes

and every user app is based on another v8 instance

so every single software written for this os needs to be written for v8

[civic scroll]

"Your OS is just a huge Electron application"

[quartz kindle]

basically

[civic scroll]

[quartz kindle]

embedded webkit for UI

all apps are basically browser windows

ram go brrrrrrrrr

[civic scroll]

the ability to surf web from everywhere

system requirements: 1TB ram

[quartz kindle]

oh yeah, every single system app has access to chatgpt

clock, calculator, notepad, restart button

every single button runs on its own v8 instance

:^)

[lament rock]

ngl if you could make your system just one browser instance and style it with html and css, that'd be pretty cool. Sub apps could be iFrames or just child nodes

[frosty gale]

all of this youre saying is very possible

but theres not much of a point

most custom operating systems now are written for embedded devices

those need to be very performant and do a lot with least power on very small chips and power available

js is a big no

for more desktop sized machines you just have linux kernel and you can run js on there as much as you want

[radiant kraken]

you can easily rice your os by opening devtools 🤌

[sharp geyser]

rice?

[sharp geyser]

how would you play games

the games themselves would have to be webgl ported

unless you are fine playing those boring games that they got available on the browser

[lament rock]

Can write wrappers for APIs to run in the browser context

You aren't limited to a browser as an app. The browser is the whole system

[radiant kraken]

a linux term for customizing

[pearl trail]

pro

[radiant kraken]

no u!!

[pearl trail]

!!!

[desert verge]

I have 3 audio drivers 💀

Wtf

[sharp geyser]

do you use something by dell?

[desert verge]

Yes... but I can't afford for anything else, the laptop I currently use was like 150€, my old pc was also a laptop and it already has 4 years when my mom bought it for my birthday, I just noticed that when that old computer started lagging, I just saw that it had actually 7 years (it's really dead though and it's a very big old laptop, second-hand)

I can only use this laptop, my parents wouldn't buy another computer if I break mine

That's shit, I want MSI Katana or Razer Katana lol forgot the brand name

but it's like 4 numbers cost

[desert verge]

What can I do to use only one? I'm afraid to RIP my audio card if I do this

But it would reduce memory usage though, but I still want audio lol

[pearl trail]

i personally use realtek audio

[desert verge]

a driver ?

Ye I should use it

Realtek I already heard that name

[pearl trail]

seems like that rtk (?)

"RtkNGUI64.exe and RAVBg64.exe are the Realtek Audio device driver on your PC. LogiLDA.dll is the Logitech Download Assistant. HPStatusBl.dll is the Taskbar icon app for your HP Printer driver software."

yes

so maybe just remove that wavesvc

[desert verge]

Why there is 2, like ???

Okay

You know what it actually is ?

wavesvc ?

I'm gonna update my audio drivers

[pearl trail]

"What is WavesSvc64? Wavessvc64.exe is associated with Waves MaxxAudio Service Application, and it's a part of Waves MaxxAudio or Realtek High Definition Audio Driver." 💀 part of realtek too

[desert verge]

on the official site

A

[pearl trail]

yeah, updating it is the best way

or maybe clean install audio driver

[desert verge]

oke

Yes

I'm gonna do that

[desert verge]

Cute

Thanks

[desert verge]

Okay I remember the name, is it Senko-san?

[sharp geyser]

wavesvc64.exe comes with basically anything dell

its their audio driver of choice

[desert verge]

Okay

Thx

I run Setup.exe ?

Wow so much Realtek things

[pearl trail]

damn you still remember that username 💀

[sharp geyser]

On that note

[pearl trail]

it was like 2-3 years ago

[sharp geyser]

dont attach anything to process

its a terrible idea

[desert verge]

It's from an anime

I didn't watch

But no, I remembered nothing

[desert verge]

Yeah ok

[pearl trail]

oo yeah senko-san

[desert verge]

So how can people cache things ?

in their code

[sharp geyser]

ofc you can cache things

[desert verge]

Or like

[sharp geyser]

Maps, Sets, even let a = {}

All get stored in memory

[desert verge]

Like, just store metadata, and it's permanent

[sharp geyser]

its not permanent no

cache should never be permanent

it should always drop when the process ends

If by permanent you mean while hte process is running then yes

during the duration of the process running it will remain there

once the process exits/stops it too should be dropped

and modern langauges have garbage collectors that do this for you

[desert verge]

Yeah if I want it to be kept if it's not running, it's actually called a db lol

[sharp geyser]

yea

[desert verge]

I was asking that because of this

[sharp geyser]

yea

depends on how long you want to hold onto that data

if you want to forever keep track of who voted then use a db

if you only care about temporarily holding onto it cache it in memory

[desert verge]

Actually, maybe it's useless for now, well, when I voted, my server crashed because I haven't well handled the request, it says that if doesn't return status 200, it will retry, but my server was down for several minutes, when I started my bot, topgg stopped retrying....

I said useless, because I have a reward system when someone votes

but it's not actually instant reward

But if a user voted and didn't receive that reward I should... well, verify if the user voted when the bot starts

[sharp geyser]

I disagree

Don't do that at start

Imagine you have a bunch of users who voted when your bot went down

[desert verge]

It uses RAM only at start

[sharp geyser]

ram isnt the issue here

its the api spam you are thinking of committing

That method has a fault where if there are a lot of users, you are going to be spamming top.gg's api to check

[desert verge]

Ah yah I thought twice, yeah actually

Should like make a command /vote receive

[sharp geyser]

Ima be real there is no real way to handle this

[desert verge]

?

or a thing like that

[sharp geyser]

a cmd is the best bet

unless you make your own api that builds off of top.gg's api that you run on a separate process from the bot

so if the bot goes down, if they vote you are still logging it

[desert verge]

Yeah that's pretty interesting

[sharp geyser]

then whenever someone runs a vote locked command fetch your api to see if they are in the recently voted list and they haven't expired

[desert verge]

I can make a separate webapp / rest api server

[sharp geyser]

That's one way yes, it'd save you from fetching top.gg all together

build it into your webhook

that top.gg will post to when someoen votes

[desert verge]

But my bot actually needs a database, and the server needs to send a message as the bot into a channel

So my bot "server" also needs a server

[sharp geyser]

you will already be making a web api for webhooks with top.gg's vote system

just use that

[desert verge]

to make request to my bot

Okay

[sharp geyser]

It'd save you from spamming top.gg's api

[desert verge]

I yes lol, I created a webhook for voting, but I used my bot user instead lol

[sharp geyser]

One thing you can do is
Cache it locally, when your bot requests your api check your cache if its not there check top.gg in case your api missed it

[desert verge]

But my bot should send a message to the user when the latter vote

[desert verge]

Yup

It's a good idea

[sharp geyser]

you will want to use a timed cache btw

So records expire in corrospondence to top.gg's vote system

[desert verge]

How much hours or days ?

[sharp geyser]

as people can vote every 12h iirc

[desert verge]

aj ok

[sharp geyser]

you dont want duplicate records in your cache

Cuz one could be old

[desert verge]

I do with a date

[sharp geyser]

or they could of not voted again

and now you are giving them free access

[desert verge]

and I create a lastVoteTimestamp field in my db in the users collection

To check

[desert verge]

Yeah

I can compare votes with timestamps

[desert verge]

Yeah that's not good

Well I'm gonna do that surely when I have the time

[sharp geyser]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/keyv

keyv is a good way to cache things

[desert verge]

Wow

[sharp geyser]

it stores it in memory

[desert verge]

Thx

[sharp geyser]

or

npm install --save @keyv/redis
npm install --save @keyv/mongo
npm install --save @keyv/sqlite
npm install --save @keyv/postgres
npm install --save @keyv/mysql
npm install --save @keyv/etcd

any of these

keyv is more than just a cache it can also be used for persistent storage with things like mongo, postgres, mysql etcetc

its just a key value store

[desert verge]

I use mongodb

[sharp geyser]

if you want the cache stored in mongo go for it

but memory storage should be fine

since you are expiring records it wont bog up memory too much

if you notice performance issues definitely go to mongo tho

it will still expire the records

[desert verge]

Omg actually it's so great, my bot will be able to check for a vote without requesting my vote handler server

[sharp geyser]

that gets rid of the api for ya minus needing the webhook api

[desert verge]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

on your webhook api just have keyv set

and on your bot have keyv get

from the same mongodb

[desert verge]

Oh yeah I see

so it's keyv on the two processes / servers ?

[sharp geyser]

I mean yea

[desert verge]

Yeah seems logic

[sharp geyser]

unless you make the webhook api on the same process as your bot

which I do not recommend in case your bot crashes

you dont want people voting and not being logged.

[desert verge]

Yeah you told me that and I said it was a great idea to make a separate api

[sharp geyser]

One thing to note

if both the api and bot go down since you are using mongodb

have your bot get from mongo, if they aren't there double check with top.gg

[desert verge]

Alright

[sharp geyser]

Its always better to double check yourself rather than ignore the possiblity

[desert verge]

Yeah I see

[sharp geyser]

I'd say also put them in cache but top.gg doesn't return the time they voted iirc

so it will be hard to expire them automatically

cuz they can use the vote cmd like 5m before their vote expires, if you put them in cache well now they are free to use cmds for 12h without voting again

[desert verge]

But actually, my hosting service or pterodactyl panel restarts the bot if it crashes, but if it crashes twice in the same delay, it is really down

So my vote handling server, will be likely to stay alive

Because

When I upload my bot, it can have bugs (or things I wrongly wrote so it crashes)

[sharp geyser]

still always good to have fail safes

Do all that you can to prevent the unexpected

you wont be able to catch everything

but the most obvious problems you can solve

[desert verge]

(btw I think I really improved in English)

[sharp geyser]

Anyway its 5:30am

Time for me to hit the hay

[desert verge]

it's 11 am 25 for me

France

lul

[sharp geyser]

gl on your adventures

all the best

[desert verge]

Thanks

[sharp geyser]

👍

[desert verge]

You start working at 5:30 am?

Goodbye

See ya

[sharp geyser]

no

im going to bed

[desert verge]

ah ok

[desert verge]

I did that, first it uninstalled it, then I restarted my pc, then It opened the installation menu but it crashed, but I still have sound lol wtf?

Maybe it installed the main driver

And crashed on others

No it just didn't install

lemme translate for ya

Realtek HD audio driver installation failed.
No driver is supported by this driver suite

[pearl trail]

are you sure all audio drivers are uninstalled?

check device manager

[sharp geyser]

are you sure your hardware supports those drivers?

windows version

[quartz kindle]

where did you download that driver from?

go on your laptop's manufacturer website and download the drivers for your laptop model from there

[desert verge]

I googled realtek audio driver

[desert verge]

I have Win11 but I think it was little bit forced and my pc broke on day, but it was working again when we removed the battery

My actual laptop should be only capable of running Win10

not 11

It's showing Realtek Audio anyway idk why

Alr i'm gonna install on the dell website

yeah seems it's not the same page

[quartz kindle]

win11 is not much different from win10

you should be able to run both without an issue

[earnest phoenix]

I am using .png format but why I'm getting this error?

[digital swan]

try hosting it on a different image hosting website

[lyric mountain]

background img is bugged atm

[earnest phoenix]

but other bots are using

[deft wolf]

Because they put the banner link before it was bugged

[lyric mountain]

yep

[earnest phoenix]

💀

[earnest phoenix]

at least Video URL is working?

[deft wolf]

I don't know, I've never used it

[earnest phoenix]

let me try

[desert verge]

I tried for dell website and nope it shows the same error

[earnest phoenix]

In the TopGG, my bot shows as 784 server count

but the real server count is 960

how can I change it?

and my api also well connected

[deft wolf]

Your bot has stopped sending updated data since April

So apparently the top.gg API has stopped accepting your data since then

[earnest phoenix]

How can I fix?

You need to send your data to the API again, see #topgg-api

[quartz kindle]

then you got the wrong one

[lyric mountain]

try force sending a request, see what status it returns

[quartz kindle]

some times the same laptop model will have multiple different drivers in their website, because the same laptop model can come with different hardware

what model is your laptop?

[earnest phoenix]

No errors

[quartz kindle]

so you tried this one right?

[desert verge]

Maybe

[lyric mountain]

ok but what status?

[quartz kindle]

what about this one?

[desert verge]

No

Realtek HD

Realtek HD Audio Driver

[lyric mountain]

why do u even need to manually install realtek drivers?

[desert verge]

??

[earnest phoenix]

status is fine

[lyric mountain]

...

what http status?

actually, how are u (force) sending the request?

[desert verge]

yeah, what's the status response ?

@earnest phoenix

[quartz kindle]

try installing both of them then, but anyway if your audio is working then what is the issue again?