development

[limber wigeon]

I'm not worried, i got this. It was more about the theoretical virtue of calling a database intensively for a purpose that Discord already knows how to handle if the admins setup the server properly.

[green kestrel]

once you get to a certain size free hosts just dont cut it

[limber wigeon]

I run too many apps/bots so i went for an EC2 on Amazon.

[lament rock]

I can run my bot on the free tier of Heroku

[green kestrel]

i have four bots, i have two dedicated servers at OVH, two bots on each

[lament rock]

at 10k guilds

[green kestrel]

i wouldnt trust any free host with my bots that have premium

theyre too much of a hacker target, if youre taking money

[lament rock]

host off an rpi

[green kestrel]

if you really want to do that make sure:

1. you get an nvme hat, DONT USE AN SD CARD
2. ensure your internet is up to snuff
3. make SURE you have a UPS

people dont like slow bots that constantly go offline

[gusty linden]

It's a free private host that my friend runs

[lament rock]

I have a number of bots for private use

No UPS sadly. I want one

gigabit internet though

[gusty linden]

Also my friends host has limited server slots and has protection also my bot can't really get attacked

[lament rock]

if it connects to WAN, it can get attacked

[pine willow]

very safe

[green kestrel]

you can get special ups for pi that can last literally days

because their wattage is so low

I have similar for my router which is similar wattage to a pi, it puts 12v straight out the back for the router doesn't have to step it up to 240

[green kestrel]

with a bot your reliability is more important than the raw speed. for most domestic internet, if it goes down they "endevour to get it back up asap" that could be days

for proper business connections they have to get it back up in 6h-12h or pay a penalty, no matter if its xmas day even

they dont just give you money off next bill if they fail to deliver, its a serious contract and they pay you hundreds, direct

which would cover the pissed off users not able to use the bot

but i dont have internet like that, as i dont host at home

[frosty gale]

instead youre at the mercy of the host provider

a lot of these cheaper providers (as in have an established name, but more on the budget side) dont guarantee 99% availability

tend to have outages that last from a few minutes to a few hours

and no compensation as outlined by their eula

so they have no incentive to avoid these downtimes for customers

[green kestrel]

you get what you pay for

[crystal yew]

How do I add images to my description like how PokeMeow has?

[frosty gale]

<img src="image_url_here">

ez

[crystal yew]

Thank you!

[tender ermine]

So html

[frosty gale]

yessir

i wanna test out how well top.gg sanitises the html but submitting a bot takes time

[solemn latch]

what do you thinking of testing?

[hybrid maple]

Hey i need a help my bot declined with the reason of unmodified instance of resist

But i swear i didn’t copied resist

[bitter granite]

I suggest you to dm the reviewer

[hybrid maple]

Thanks i will dm him

[eternal osprey]

I accidentally changed the slash commands of my bot, how do i return that shit back on

(i ran the bot token on a folder that had different slash commands, now the slash commands of the bot are completely overriden)

[deft wolf]

It probably depends on how you register your commands

I simply replaced the old commands with an array of new ones, if you can call it that

[limber wigeon]

There is an article on the discord doc to delete all and rebuild all commands (/)

https://discordjs.guide/creating-your-bot/command-deployment.html#guild-commands

delete all, then this

[surreal sage]

i once met a 'typescript' dev who puts all types as any and throws @ts-ignore wherever he could

[spark flint]

lol

i do that

thats why i just use js now

[quartz kindle]

omg

[lament rock]

that's not…

Then what's the point!?

[quartz kindle]

to have typescript in your CV

[lament rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-eating-eating-eating-cat-gif-8459125914348971806

[quartz kindle]

and twitter bio

[pearl trail]

and discord bio

I'm a JavaScript, TypeScript, NodeJS, Deno, and Bun Developer

[pale vessel]

add in deno and bun too

[limber wigeon]

is bun copium?

[frosty gale]

i use a language/technology once and add it to my cv

helps when it comes to getting past automated checks or clueless HR people

in reality any competent programmer would be more than happy to learn a technology theyve never used for a job

[quartz kindle]

adds 5372 different languages, frameworks, systems, stacks, techs to his CV

"rejected for being overqualified"

[pearl trail]

HR: "name all those 5372 languages without looking your CV/internet"

[quartz kindle]

we're gonna be here a while

[frosty gale]

there is no winning

and 80% of junior/entry level jobs want you to have relevant professional experience

thats not really a junior then

they just dont want to pay you for what youre worth

so they gaslight you into thinking youre a junior

[limber wigeon]

Confidence does a lot to get through the door initially then they will see your results in the 3 first months. Sitting down and saying "i'm the guy" is weirdly enough sufficient

and then after 3 months if they tell you you're bad then it's a good reality check to go learn more stuff xD

[knotty pendant]

Setting up webhook to support voting on Top.gg. Anybody know why it's pinging every 10 seconds? It should only hit when a new vote is received, but instead it's doing this.

[slender wagon]

Well show the code of the webhook.

[solemn latch]

you need to send a 200 response code

[knotty pendant]

It does

[lament rock]

Not on the if user is none

But it looks like that branch is ignored regardless

[knotty pendant]

Right

[solemn latch]

Top.gg can also send retries if a certain amount of time has passed, even if the request hasnt timed out.

[knotty pendant]

Is it about 10 seconds between? That would explain it

[solemn latch]

https://docs.top.gg/docs/Resources/webhooks#timeouts

Top.gg says 5 seconds to send a response, but I've found it to be less.

[knotty pendant]

Thanks, I'll play around with this

[quartz kindle]

you can also use a webhook tester like postman to manually send yourself a vote and check if your code is properly handling it and returning status 200

[knotty pendant]

Yeah

[frosty gale]

lol

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, i had a question about parallel processing

i did some benchmarking yesterday and found out that my program ran terribly at 2 cores, i sped it up to 16 and it literally gained like 10x the gflops of the original sequential program, however when i selected 32 cores it actually decreased to only 7x the og gflops.

How the fuck is this possible?

I have enough cores on the server to handle the job.

[lyric mountain]

uh ok, how did you "run" using 2/16/32 cores?

[eternal osprey]

i used my school's server

[pine willow]

O.O

[lyric mountain]

not the question

[eternal osprey]

your question has too much ambiguity

[lyric mountain]

HOW did you make it run on 2/16/32 cores?

[eternal osprey]

what do you mean

ah

[lyric mountain]

like, code

[eternal osprey]

openMPI

[lyric mountain]

the hell is that

[eternal osprey]

💀

[pine willow]

https://www.open-mpi.org/

[eternal osprey]

fast hands

it's a way to run parallel programs

[pine willow]

"Open Source High Performance Computing"

[eternal osprey]

allows a way to section parts of codes, run in parallel, gather all data to the main source, it's really fucking great.

[lyric mountain]

got even more confused, but anyway

[pine willow]

same

[eternal osprey]

nah lemme run an example

yall have to understand

[lyric mountain]

what language are we talking about?

[eternal osprey]

c

[pine willow]

ew

[lyric mountain]

ok so, there's a thing about parallel processing, which is that you cannot use whatever many cores you want, you're constrained to threads

unless you're using asm ofc

the OS itself handles the core usage

[eternal osprey]

open MPI automatically creates new processes on the amount of cores you have

[lyric mountain]

that's likely threads still

[eternal osprey]

hmm it may

[lyric mountain]

the thread count is usually double the amount of physical threads

[eternal osprey]

that's strange though

because open mpi literally has a variable that lets you know how much cores you want to use

i got a quick lecture about it, and it was expained that open mpi claims the resources so, such that each single process receives its own core if feasible in the environment

[lyric mountain]

if that was true, setting it to 8 cores would deadlock your pc

[eternal osprey]

why?

[lyric mountain]

a cpu only has so many cores

[pine willow]

o.0

[lyric mountain]

afaik only the OS has direct control on them

but anyway, lets go back a little, why are u using it?

[eternal osprey]

Model: AMD EPYC 32-Core Processor
CPU Architecture: x86_64
CPU Cores: 32 (16 cores per socket, 2 sockets)
CPU Threads: 32 (1 thread per core)

[pine willow]

amd epyc nice

[eternal osprey]

i am computing the mandelbrot set

[pine willow]

can you show me your server?

[eternal osprey]

the sequential version is wack, and i want to make it parallel.

[lyric mountain]

why cant you multithread from the code?

[eternal osprey]

it's my school's, i only have access to the GUI

[pine willow]

ah

[eternal osprey]

because there are special libraries that can handle it better than just threads, such as open mpi.
Open mpi gives you a more structured and efficient way of execution, as well as sectioning off parts of code.

  MPI_Init(&argc, &argv);

    int rank, size;
    MPI_Comm_rank(MPI_COMM_WORLD, &rank);
    MPI_Comm_size(MPI_COMM_WORLD, &size);

each process gets its own number, a rank.
The amount of processes running is the size.

it allows you to do cool stuff like:

 if(rank == 0) mandelbrot(m, n, x1, x2, y1, y2, max_iter, picture, start_index_of_row, total_rows_to_process);
gettimeofday(&own_tv2, NULL);
MPI_Gather(picture, total_rows_to_process * n, MPI_INT, all_picture, total_rows_to_process * n, MPI_INT, 0, MPI_COMM_WORLD);```

[lyric mountain]

well, I'm unsure anyone here will be able to answer your question then

not even once have I heard abt that lib

[pine willow]

never heard of it

[eternal osprey]

Why am i learning all types of fucking bs that apparently no one uses

[lyric mountain]

that's a good question

[eternal osprey]

fr, especially big data course got me tweaking

talking about hadoop, map reduce, apache spark

[lyric mountain]

for multithreading I'd just do it myself, if the task is clearly defined it's pretty easy to handle synchronization of data

[eternal osprey]

get the fuck outta here

[eternal osprey]

i see

yeah idk, the lib was pretty nice to use. Iirc, openmpi is also configured to be more efficient though and it allows processes to communicate with each other over a pipeline which is sick

kuu, what are you majoring in?

Or are you finito with school

[lyric mountain]

I have bachelor degree on SDA, wanted to do some robotics but nothing available nearby

[eternal osprey]

what's sda?

[lyric mountain]

system development & analysis

[eternal osprey]

ah i see, damn that's sick!

you should definitely pursue robotics, but its fucking hard

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[eternal osprey]

it's MPI

open MP is another libarary

i am mixing the 2 names

[lyric mountain]

Impressive, I didn't understand a single word from the short desc

Oh nvm, june

[eternal osprey]

open MP is another parallel computing lib but it's shit imo

too much fiddling around with sectioning off codes, i rather have MPI which allows you to be flexible in the scoping.

@lyric mountain you were right

The OS on the server can actually limit the amount of cores you can use if you claim too much for one specific job. Not only that, but this combined with the fact that each process has an overhead in startup will only drag the speed down even more.

zamn lemme take this into my analysis, arigato.

[lyric mountain]

Yeah, OSses are pretty conservative with core usage

Else anyone would be able to bring the system to a crawl, or even hold it hostage

Try to limit yourself to about half the available cores

[eternal osprey]

I see, thanks for the help! I can always rely on you 🤞🏽🤞🏽

[frosty gale]

usually the operating system tries to distribute your threads evenly amongst all cores

but operating systems don't actually try to stop programs from computing too much

it might appear that way since one job of scheduling algorithms is to minimise starvation of other threads but a single process can still overwhelm a system

its because its not usually a big deal if a single process can hog the entire system, the user might get annoyed slightly sure but theyll end up removing the app or doing something else like lowering priority

and sometimes you might want that to happen anyways

[round cove]

I just had a server have an issue where any commands that deferred an interaction, it was stuck on deferring, all other commands that didn't defer were fine.

Anyone else encounter this kind of issue? It's my first time.

[lyric mountain]

in chitty's case it was an OS issue in fact

whatever he's using is trying to use the actual cores

[stark abyss]

[bitter granite]

@ivory siren here too ^

[undone warren]

Is topgg down?

[north turtle]

Hi, I'm here because I got something wrong about Discord bot verification.
My bot reached 100 servers and required to get Discord bot verification, but they wanted privileged intents to get verified first.
So I submitted a request (two attempts) and received "Unfortunately, I am denying your [some intents] Privileged Intent request"
I asked about "privileged intents verification" to dev community, and most developers said privileged intents are difficult to get verified.
Whereupon, any developers who have experience or tips on here, I want to ask about it.
((sry for poor eng

[frosty gale]

its not supposed to be difficult to get privileged intents

discord just wants you to have a legitimate reason for wanting them

theyll grant you them if you have a legitimate feature that needs those intents and cant go without them

if they rejected you that means your use case can probably go without needing those intents, or you sent them a poor explanation as to why you need them

they should provide detail as to why they rejected you though

[north turtle]

When i got first rejection, I added Word Chain mini game
For example, message content is required to play the Word Chain game. so I requested "Message Content Intent"
Isn’t message content the only way to optimize time, response speed, and accessibility?
We don't want to use the slash command when submitting words lol
But got same rejection so...

[sharp geyser]

As Robert said, with the introduction to slash commands, the message content intent has become rarely needed. Which is one of the reasons it is it's own privileged intent (not to mention its expensive).

Slash commands are more convenient anyway

[solemn latch]

It sounds like you're adding features to get the intent, which is kind of backwards.

Intents are not goals, tbh you want to have as few intents as possible.

[sharp geyser]

yup

More intents you have, more data being sent to your bot

Which in turn means more memory usage

especially in discord.js case as it literally caches everything

😔

[solemn latch]

Thankfully you can set your cache for specific things now

[sharp geyser]

When did djs allow such freedom

[solemn latch]

13? I don't remember

https://discordjs.guide/miscellaneous/cache-customization.html#cache-customization

[north turtle]

Ok i'll try without any intents
like mind of "Intents are not a goal"

thanks everyone

[lyric mountain]

message content is a 180-turn from what you described

slash commands are to optimize time, response speed and accessibility

message content is for things you'd not be able to achieve with slashes

the 3 priv intents if anything will add A LOT, wait, lemme put more emphasis on this

A LOT

of bandwidth consumption to your bot

[knotty pendant]

For features which require sending messages on bot start-up, how are people overcoming the "too many messages at once" problem?

Or is that just solved when bot is verified for 100+ servers?

[sharp geyser]

uh

are you sending this to every server its in?

[knotty pendant]

Not necessarily

[lyric mountain]

well I simply don't

[sharp geyser]

1. You should never need to do this
2. You can't solve this with your bot

[lyric mountain]

you might post on your own server in an announcements channel, then have interested mods follow that channel

let discord broadcast the message

[knotty pendant]

I'll use something like Truth or Dare as an example -- sends a message with a prompt and has buttons to request new prompt. When bot restarts the button's interactions become invalidated. Wouldn't you need to send a new message when the bot starts up in order to have new, valid interactions?

[sharp geyser]

In such a case just restart the game

No need to carry over

[knotty pendant]

It's an endless game with no start and no end. Idk if you've ever used the TorD bot

[lyric mountain]

well, you can resume the game by storing the game state on a database

[sharp geyser]

yea

[lyric mountain]

simply re-attach the button listeners at boot

[sharp geyser]

I am confused on how you are hitting this rate limit

[knotty pendant]

Yeah it's just running on a cache so might not always be 100% up to date. Maybe best thing to do it just loop through recent messages in the channel until finding last prompt and refresh buttons?

[sharp geyser]

no

[knotty pendant]

Then there is no way to do it

[sharp geyser]

Yes there is

Do it like haku said

[lyric mountain]

dump the cache to a file

load the file on start

just make sure to also store the message id so u can fetch it

[knotty pendant]

Will try this

[frosty gale]

job market is actually cooked for juniors

[real rose]

my favourite junior roles

[frosty gale]

junior at this point is just a keyword for "we want a senior but we want to pay you like a junior"

[real rose]

similarly, I think Linkedin's "Entry level" filter is overused

for stuff like this

[frosty gale]

on linkedin that tag has absolutely no meaning

pretty sure they just select all tags at this point

[sharp geyser]

yep

I saw a position for a software engineer that required 8 years of experience

it was labled as a junior position

[frosty gale]

and they want you to know all the methodologies

⭐ agile 🌠 and ⭐ scrum 🌟

[real rose]

🤓

[sullen kelp]

I’m confused on the phrase “working help command” anyone have an example what this is supposed to look like?

And obvious point of entry remarks

[deft wolf]

Well, the best help command is one that will explain to the user what your bot does and/or give him a list of commands that will allow him to set the bot to do what it is supposed to do

You, as a developer, know what your bot does, but a 13-year-old who is just discovering Discord won't understand everything at once, so you need to help them a little

[sullen kelp]

Gotcha

So what’s it mean by “Obvious point of entry”

[real rose]

it should be obvious what i can do with your bot right away

by either running a help command

or mentioning the bot

or a message popping up on join

etc

[sullen kelp]

I see

[harsh nova]

I love senor entry level roles!!! yippie

[sharp geyser]

Want to work for my company then?

Its a junior level position

but you need 20 years of experience in fortran

[lament rock]

Probably amout the time it'd take me to understand fortran

[harsh nova]

jokes on you I alr have that

[frosty gale]

and need to provide 4 references with phone numbers upfront

[lament rock]

jk. I can read assembly. It doesnt get worse than that. Except binary I guess but lord forbid

[sharp geyser]

Also a personal connection with Steve Jobs

[lament rock]

Must have connections in the industry

[sharp geyser]

ong

even if its beyond the grave

[lament rock]

Me and Einstein were tight 💪

[sharp geyser]

with a connection of that level, I can give you an internship at best

[harsh nova]

honestly it feels like some job listings are meant to be bad so the company can just go "see? We tried to look for an outside hire" just so they can employ the CEOs son or something

[sharp geyser]

Oh for sure

Why hire outside if you can hire the descendants of the executives

They are already rich

Just pay them slightly more and they will be happy

[quartz kindle]

i read somewhere that a big number of job listings are fake exactly due to that

they already have the person for the job, but they are required to post the listing for X amount of time anyway

and they just reject everyone regardless

[lament rock]

Or companies look better to investors with more fake jobs and more applicants

[quartz kindle]

also true

we literally live in a fake ass world

[harsh nova]

read something where listings are posted only to acquire data they can later sell to data vendors

I love big data. Big data is our friend

[lament rock]

Not surprised tbh

I like FOSS

[quartz kindle]

i like foss too

but you know

moneys

[harsh nova]

I know what monkeys are

oh. Moneys

[sharp geyser]

💀

[frosty gale]

oh ive seen exactly that

they found the person but they keep promoting the job on job boards anyways

quite disrespectful of peoples times

[frosty gale]

thats why people shouldnt be so pressed about people selling your data and it being widely available

unfortunate truth is it happens all the time

[quartz kindle]

thats something that simply doesnt exist anymore

nobody respects people's time, anywhere

people are expected to waste their time and be thankful for the time they are given, if any at all

its a horribly one-sided relationship

[frosty gale]

this really annoys me when it comes to references

some companies think its fine to request references before an offer or any serious commitment

i will not allow you to annoy my references for a "potential" job

im already thankful theyre happy to do this for free as it is and i dont need them annoyed

or their privacy given up

[eternal osprey]

hey cuties

[eternal osprey]

.... are you sure?

[lunar geyser]

does anyone know where this Top Page is? i cant seem to find it. it should have my bot on there but i can only see my bot on the other page i won

[eternal osprey]

Do you know the horrors between analyzing and processing big data....
Or furthermore, the hassle of working with apache spark and distributed file systems, or fucking acient systems like hadoop map reduce... 😭

big data ain't your friend, big data is your enemy

[frosty gale]

big data is just a stupid buzz word

like devops

[quartz kindle]

true, i still have no idea what those job titles actually do in practice

[green kestrel]

at least in some parts of the world theyre legally required to post job vacancies publically, they cant just hire internally

i mean they can hire internally but only after letting others try, even if theyve already decided and will reject all external applicants

they cant admit to that

[north turtle]

Hello, i have a question. Which of the two should I do first?

Or does it not matter?

[sharp geyser]

You should be doing both at the same time

If your bot requires privileged intents then you need to include the reason for them along with your application (at least that’s how it was for me)

It’s part of the verification process

[north turtle]

thanks

[north turtle]

The bot authentication form says "FOR HOW LONG DO YOU STORE IT?" I have a question regarding this question.
I wrote that the data would be stored until the user directly requests deletion, but the response I received was "I have decided to deny your verification request. This is due to the duration in which you retain discord data."
Does the application have a maximum storage period for data? What am I doing wrong?

[eternal osprey]

You have 2 options. Big data analyst or big data engineer. A the analyst, you use certain analysis programs that allow you to work with a distributed file system, with other words : data is stored at different machines, you write analysis programs. Each machine runs it on their own data, eventually we are adding the results together. As the engineer however, you are more concerned about how to store the big data. Big data usually refers to data that is too big to be stored on one machine. Hence we usually create multiple servers in a server rack, connect them using rack switches, and then connect those racks to other using cluster switches to create an internal network. Especially when using hdfs, the Hadoop distributed file system. One server becomes the name node, the boss of all while the rest remain workers. I cut a lot of corners here but it’s just for an overview of what working with big data really means

For working with big data and analysis we usually also tend to use programs like mapreduce or Apache spark.

The internal structure is actually sick: in mapreduce your client communicates with the name node and pushes a certain job to the manager. The name node will then start all the mappers where the data already is! So suppose w have 19 files over the cluster we want to do analysis on, then the name node will start 19 mappers. It takes as input a row and output key value pairs. We then go to eventual combiners. Or in mapper combiners and then move on to the partitioner and shuffler/sorter that sorts by key. Then we reduce all the values in reducers, ensuring that all keys go to the same reducer by hashmapping in the partitioner

Apache spark however works different, there we likely work with RDDs or with data frames. RDDs are simple they contain lineage: “what partitions do I have. How am I computed?”. The data frames is just that we align data from various sources and parse it into actual sql data to work with. In Apache spark, all code is sent to a logical planner, making ast trees. It then moves on to the physical planner turning it into byte code. Based on that we create rdds and send it over to the dagscheduler, creating a dag schedule from the rdd parent list and splitting it into various stages. It’s then executed in each machine

So in Apache spark we execute all commands in one machine while mapreduce rather does one step at one machine at the time. Then it sends it over the network to another machine to do the next

I find this pretty interesting hence why I yapped so fucking much

[sharp geyser]

who are you even talking to

[deft wolf]

It probably depends on what exactly the data is, because from what I remember, there is a question about what data you store in your bot and if you wrote there that you store the message content and then wrote that you may store it forever, Discord may not like it

[frosty gale]

the amount of bots that lie about these data storage policies is definitely a lot lol

[green kestrel]

seems google is trying to tell us something

[green kestrel]

"what, we have to delete it?!"

nah

[north turtle]

uhh

[green kestrel]

just say you periodically remove data that hasnt been interacted with within 30-90 days

pick one

[north turtle]

i just scared to discord dev teams

[green kestrel]

wether you do or not... they arent going to read your source code

i put on mine that players who havent interacted with the bot in 30 days may have their accounts purged to comply with data retention policy as per the privacy policy

in practice i dont atm, because people get really upset if i delete their character because they took a break

or imagine if i nuked their trivia score that took them years to get

[frosty gale]

honestly just say you'll delete them after x days and whether you do that later is up to you to implement

worst thing discord can probably do to you is unverify your bot

*IF they find out

which they probably won't unless you very obviously retain data

[north turtle]

anyway.. thanks everyone

[quartz kindle]

when i verified, i told them the data is stored for 1 year

they approved it lol

but from what i heard, today they are more strict, you have to say you delete everything after 30-90 days, otherwise they wont let you verify

[lament rock]

Bruh

[sharp geyser]

I store information indefinitely 😏

I sell it to big data

[lyric mountain]

even if the only actual data you store is the ID?

[quartz kindle]

for some reason yeah

[sharp geyser]

uh

thats public information

[quartz kindle]

i havent experienced it myself, but i've seen people failing to verify because they dont delete ids

[sharp geyser]

Why are they so strict on it

[lyric mountain]

like goddamn

[sharp geyser]

Now I want to make a bot and get it verified asap 💀

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Test the limits of their data deletion policy

[quartz kindle]

its like

[sharp geyser]

It's kind of dumb they will deny you for storing ids past 90 days

[quartz kindle]

they act like per-server bot settings is the norm

and dont think about the possibility of cross-server settings

so they expect devs to delete everything when the user leaves a server

[sharp geyser]

💀

Yea no

[lyric mountain]

I used to delete user-guild profiles before when users left the guild

I can say, they were pissed when their level reset to 1

[sharp geyser]

I would understand if the user shares no servers with the bot

but if there is still servers it shares it with why delete it

[quartz kindle]

i made a mass deletion once, mainly targeted deleted discord accounts and users who did not interact with the bot for over 1 year

did a backup before just in case

and i did get many people asking for the data to be restored

[sharp geyser]

How do you track deleted accounts

[quartz kindle]

because they created new accounts but were still using the content from the deleted accounts

[sharp geyser]

because people can make their account look deleted

[quartz kindle]

did a GET user for every single one

[sharp geyser]

oh yikes

That had to of sucked

[quartz kindle]

it took a few days

was running like one get every 5 seconds

[sharp geyser]

This is why I said it was virtually impossible to track deleted accounts

imagine if top.gg had to do that

💀

[lyric mountain]

imagine if discord deleted accounts older than 90 days

ik people who went missing for like half a year then come back normally

[quartz kindle]

imagine companies taking the same restrictions they force on users and applying it to themselves

[sharp geyser]

I went MIA for an entire year

[terse bloom]

How do I update my bot's pfp on top.gg

Because it's been 2-3 days since I changed it and it hasn't been updated on top.gg

[sharp geyser]

click refresh data on your top.gg bot page, then click edit, change something (like adding a dot in the description or smth) then click save

[terse bloom]

Thanks

[sharp geyser]

👍

[frosty gale]

wait until they find out that when you delete something it likely doesnt actually get deleted and remains on the hard drive until its overwritten

most databases dont delete the records but mark them as not in use

so they eventually get overwritten

because you cant really delete or add things in the middle of files

[frosty gale]

they might be worried about GDPR implications

[sharp geyser]

Uh

IDs are public information

[frosty gale]

thats likely been caught in the crossfire then

actually if you think about it basically everything on discord is public information

think its difficult for them to gauge what to delete and what not to delete

i will consult with my lawyer (chatgpt)

[sharp geyser]

chatgpt the best lawyer

[frosty gale]

but yes discord bots are also under the implications of GDPR

they count as the data processors with data being made available by the data controller (discord)

otherwise it would be a loophole in GDPR if bots can store data that discord cant

[sharp geyser]

Well I will store data for as long as its needed

GDPR can come catch these hands if they have a problem

[sonic axle]

you don't want to mess with GDPR

[sharp geyser]

If I dont serve any EU people who cares

😏

I ban all EU people from using my bot

they are required to tell me their country before they can use it

[sonic axle]

ok so your bot knows when someone is european or not when they use the bot?

[frosty gale]

now it makes a lot of sense why discord wants you to verify your identity when growing a bot past 100 servers

because if the bot breaches GDPR the bot owner becomes responsible as the data processors

otherwise it would fall over to discord being responsible

[sonic axle]

100%

hence why they enforce the bot to have its own terms & privacy policies

[sharp geyser]

Bah I will just ask chatgpt to write that up for me

[sonic axle]

🤣

the second you monitor the behavior of individuals in the EU, you have to account for GDPR

whether they can access your bot or not

[frosty gale]

but to answer your question user IDs do count as personal information in accordance to GDPR

because they can be used to identify a user/specific resources by that user

[sharp geyser]

I mean yea

[frosty gale]

so they also fall under the right to be forgotten doctrine

[sharp geyser]

but the fact they require you to only store it for 3 months at most is kinda wack

[sonic axle]

as long as it's identifiable it counts

[sonic axle]

welcome to the real world

[sharp geyser]

?

[sonic axle]

privacy laws are wack

[sharp geyser]

That's not the point

Depending on the bot, that destroys its functionality

[sonic axle]

that's a design issue

[sharp geyser]

Not really

[sonic axle]

yes really, there are so many workarounds

[lyric mountain]

also an ID cannot be used to identify a specific user UNLESS you share a server with them

[sharp geyser]

[sonic axle]

not true, you can look them up

[lyric mountain]

in which case you'd have the ID anyway

[lyric mountain]

you cant

[sharp geyser]

No you cannot

[lyric mountain]

you need the IDENTIFY scope to fetch user detail, which requires explicit permission (oauth2)

OR if you share a server with them, you can fetch the public data

[sharp geyser]

and if you are using the bot api, you HAVE to have the bot sharing a server with them

[sonic axle]

it's identifiable whether you want it to be or not

[sharp geyser]

no...its not

[lyric mountain]

how do you identify an user by their id?

[sonic axle]

right

[lyric mountain]

^

as i said, in that case you already have the info

[sonic axle]

doesn't need to share a server

[lyric mountain]

738832022038118472

go on

tell me who that is

[lyric mountain]

ok that was unexpected

[sharp geyser]

What even is that from

[lyric mountain]

me

my alt specifically

[sonic axle]

user ids are identifiable whether you like it or not

[sharp geyser]

How are they querying this tho

Through what

[sonic axle]

discord's api

[deft wolf]

[lyric mountain]

no idea, this account is only in 1 specific server

[sonic axle]

doesn't matter whether you have to "get it first" or not

[sharp geyser]

Cause if the user has signed in through oauth or invited the bot then ofc its possible to get the user information

[sonic axle]

obviously, but the point is, user ids can be used to identify someone on the platform

that's more than enough

sure, it's silly, but that's how it works

[lyric mountain]

I really have no idea how you can get someone's info without sharing a server or oauth2

[sharp geyser]

Isn't discord breaching its own rules

💀

[sonic axle]

no, lol

[lyric mountain]

that account only joined my support server for testing purposes

[sonic axle]

discord can store your information as long as it's within scope for the platform

[quartz kindle]

all users can be fetched, it doesnt matter if you share servers or not

done that many times

[sharp geyser]

That's wack

[deft wolf]

At the beginning I also thought that it was a matter of sharing the server because this bot is quite large, so the probability that you share the server with it is also high

[sharp geyser]

That should not be a thing

[quartz kindle]

there are no restrictions whatsoever for GET /users/id:

[sonic axle]

^

[sharp geyser]

that's wack

[sonic axle]

it is what it is

[sharp geyser]

what is the base url for the discord api anyway

its discord.com/api/v10 right?

[quartz kindle]

ye

[lyric mountain]

so I suppose I could just hash the user id then, this would remove any identifiable data from the database

[sonic axle]

that, and offer a way for users to delete that data

& expiry

[lyric mountain]

the intent is exactly not having an expiry

[sharp geyser]

I think expiring data that is essential with such a low store time is kind of bogus.

How do these game bots and mod bots function?

[lyric mountain]

cuz turns out people get mad when they go AWOL and come back to find all their data missing

[spark flint]

not even that

you have to account for GDPR regardless according to discord bot dev terms

[sonic axle]

yes, but i'm not talking about Discord specifically

[spark flint]

Without limiting Section 4, you will comply with all applicable privacy laws and regulations, including the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and the ePrivacy Directive, the UK General Data Protection Regulation, Brazil’s Lei Geral de Proteção de Dados (LGPD), the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA), and the California Privacy Rights Act (CPRA).

ah ok

[sonic axle]

Discord collects data on EU users, so that's a given

[quartz kindle]

why are california laws separate from US laws

[sonic axle]

because they can, i guess 🤣

[sharp geyser]

california has its own laws against privacy

[quartz kindle]

the US is wack

[sharp geyser]

uhm sir

Every state has its own laws

💀

[quartz kindle]

mumbo jumbo country

lmao

[sharp geyser]

I mean a vast majority have the same laws

but states get the freedom to make their own laws so long as it doesnt override federal laws

[sharp geyser]

Its even scarrier once you get into reservation lands

Reservations have their own laws as well

[quartz kindle]

US did the europe thing before it was cool

[sharp geyser]

if you murder someone on tribal land then they have the final say on what happens

state can't intervene

[quartz kindle]

thats an odd information to know

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Well its because its happened

I studied history a lot

[deft wolf]

[quartz kindle]

the kurwa dude is taking notes

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

bobr kurwa

ja pierdole

:^)

[deft wolf]

I rarely use this word

[quartz kindle]

i love the word

[sharp geyser]

I feel like I know more about american history than most americans

At least if any of the yt videos has to shwo for it

then I definitely do

💀

[quartz kindle]

most americans dont know anything tbh

[sharp geyser]

"Who led the revolutionary war"

"Abraham Lincoln"

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

I used to be good at geography

[quartz kindle]

ask random americans to show where north korea is in the world map

[sharp geyser]

I can do it

Okay nvm the blank maps im finding sucks

[deft wolf]

I even saw a matching meme recently

[sharp geyser]

Its like 30px

[sharp geyser]

Bro 😭

[quartz kindle]

LMAO

[sharp geyser]

yknow

its rumored the first president was actually an African American

before president was even a position

How true that is, no idea

I've not really seen any evidence backing it up

[harsh nova]

I love Getty Images

[sharp geyser]

ong

he was my favorite pres

Also pretty sure the top one is north korea

[quartz kindle]

looks like it

[harsh nova]

nah that is denmark bro trust

[quartz kindle]

especially since the colors give it away

:^)

[sharp geyser]

what do the colors have to do with it

[quartz kindle]

they mark the borders

[sharp geyser]

ok

[quartz kindle]

making it easier to figure out

[sharp geyser]

not really

anyone who doesnt know shit about geography (most americans) would claim that japan is korea

💀

[quartz kindle]

i've seen worse

[sharp geyser]

Them damn North Korean Australians

[harsh nova]

why are we discussing this in dev chat

[sharp geyser]

We are talking about the development of countries

[quartz kindle]

this is the location of north korea

according to americans

[sharp geyser]

Im sorry

who the fuck said the US

[deft wolf]

Wait a sec

[sharp geyser]

ALASKA????

Only 2 americans got it right (kinda)

[harsh nova]

so proud o them

[sharp geyser]

one was close enough

[quartz kindle]

this was another attempt some time later

[sharp geyser]

its scary that a lot of people think Sweden is North Korea

[harsh nova]

we are north korea

[sharp geyser]

at least a lot more got closer

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/bAqJF.gif

ofc people 65 and up would know

they took part in the korean war

💀

if they didn't then that would be scary

[harsh nova]

ok but its #general time ong

[sharp geyser]

L bozo

[harsh nova]

(I sometimes gotta do actual moderation so I dont get demoted)

[sharp geyser]

this is general 3

lets be real

[quartz kindle]

this is my general

[sharp geyser]

ong

tim is locked here

[harsh nova]

I will sent you to general 4 (rules only role) if you dont watch out

[sharp geyser]

he can only talk to people here

[harsh nova]

yeah tim has an excuse. This is Tims land

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[sharp geyser]

he gave me permission

So HA

[lyric mountain]

this tho

[sharp geyser]

we all know they live in the water

[radiant kraken]

one of them is you (:

fr fr

[eternal osprey]

Can I set the bot status to offline in discord

[deft wolf]

Yes

But why tho

[frosty gale]

its quirky

some people are like that

[sharp geyser]

Such a useless thing

[eternal osprey]

i just wanted to know

tf

[pearl trail]

[pearl trail]

maybe like paypal bot

something that's supposed to work in the background, who knows

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp geyser]

I know

I just dont understand why discord allows it

it makes no sense

not taking it out on ya

[next junco]

Hello everyone, I want to write a bot for Discord. I know I need to learn JavaScript, but I don't know what I need to learn for the backend and db. Can you help me?

[sharp geyser]

https://javascript.info

Good place to start

it will teach you the basics of js and then some

Next thing to learn would be how to use nodejs as its a runtime for javascript and what you will need to make a discord bot

[solemn latch]

Thats news to me

Thanks for the info

[near sorrel]

Ai có thể tìm hộ tôi con bot tự động đổi tên người dùng khi chọn role được không

[radiant fiber]

how do i add images onto my bots top.gg page?

[lyric mountain]

like this

mods pls fix the regex

[radiant fiber]

will this dipaly it below it ?

[solemn latch]

👀 we have that stuff blocked on purpose

[radiant fiber]

will this dipaly it below it ?

@KuuHaKu
Click to see attachment

[lyric mountain]

it'll display where you put it

[radiant fiber]

with the ! or nah

[lyric mountain]

well yes, but could check if msg starts/ends with `

[sharp geyser]

You need the !

[radiant fiber]

k

[sharp geyser]

Otherwise it’s a normal hyperlink

[radiant fiber]

how to add bold example?

[lyric mountain]

if u dont put the ! it becomes a masked url

[lyric mountain]

like u just did

[solemn latch]

someone get the regex ^-^

[sharp geyser]

Same way you just did

[radiant fiber]

calm

[pine willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1128338600044535810/1151836596396634142/gato_agua.gif

[sharp geyser]

Discord supports most of the markdown you’re trying to use and top.gg does as well

So it will translate over

[oak cliff]

why are yall getting flagged

[pine willow]

dangerous

[oak cliff]

youre all banned

[sharp geyser]

Cause the regex is too broad

[oak cliff]

just dont embed links stinkies

[solemn latch]

we should change the regex though. Whoever sends the fixed regex gets a gift(its nothing, but still its the thought that counts)

[oak cliff]

ill give a custom role for a week

[lyric mountain]

😔

[sharp geyser]

Love internet is down

[pine willow]

you stink

[oak cliff]

no u

[pine willow]

YOU!

[oak cliff]

YOU

[pine willow]

YOU x2

[sharp geyser]

Understandably so

But still

[lyric mountain]

just noticed

what the hell

[deft wolf]

This is probably against those scams that mask links under fake Steam gifts links

[lyric mountain]

well yeah, but it's capturing any masked url somehow

[solemn latch]

Yeah, discords regex is funky

[solemn latch]

This wasnt working in discord for me and I got distracted

Plus it would allow this

`

test

`

oh well that would be okay

[deft wolf]

On the one hand, it's strange, but on the other hand, it's a bit of future protection if next time instead of Steam they choose another platform to mask scam links

[solemn latch]

I thought single ` only was for one liners

[lyric mountain]

test newline

oh

TIL

[solemn latch]

I feel like that changed at some point

[lyric mountain]

judging by the clipped endings, I'd say this is a side-effect of spaghetti code

[deft wolf]

[stuck dawn]

Hello, does anyone knows how can i make this stroke this is the code for drawing a menu item (this is a radialmenu)

[lyric mountain]

stroke u mean the border?

[stuck dawn]

yeah

im using svg so i said stroke 😆

[lyric mountain]

well u can just draw a circle

like, without filling

no need to calculate pie or anything

the rest of the circle is out of the view anyway

[stuck dawn]

also i just want the border to appear when i hover the item

[lyric mountain]

ah

[stuck dawn]

not the entire circle

something like this

[lyric mountain]

well, did u draw the lighter bg behind the car already?

[stuck dawn]

yes

just changed the fill color

[lyric mountain]

then use the same code again, but do not fill

[stuck dawn]

what property do i need to use?

a game

[lyric mountain]

not set "fill"

use borderWidth (or whatever it's called there) to set how thick it is

[stuck dawn]

if i use the stroke property it highlights the entire item (ignore the bug on the left)

i already tried this but i also tried stroke dasharray

idk how to work with that

[quartz kindle]

i'd draw an arc on top

using path

[stuck dawn]

can you please explain me how? i suck at svgs

[quartz kindle]

but you can also do a stroke using dash-array

its a bit troublesome to calculate

[stuck dawn]

yeah i tried but didn't know how that property works too 😂

[stuck dawn]

i got the code right here if you need

for each item

[quartz kindle]

it works like this basically

stroke-dasharray="n n n n n"

for each n is the length of either stroke or no-stroke

repeating

for example "5px 5px" would be 5px stroke, 5px no stroke, repeat

"3px 5px 1px" would be 3px stroke, 5px no stroke, 1px stroke, 3px no stroke, etc...

[stuck dawn]

but where the stroke begins? how can i control the side where it appears?

[quartz kindle]

you can also use percentages and em and other metrics

[quartz kindle]

thats the problem, its troublesome because you have to calcyulate the starting point and measure the perimeter

for a path, it starts at the initial M point

for other objects i think you can define an origin point

try something like "33% 33% 33%"

and see what that produces

then adjust the values and see how they change

[stuck dawn]

i tried 33%

[quartz kindle]

hmm, i dont really know what the percentage is based on

im guessing its not the perimeter

there is also a stroke-dashoffset

[stuck dawn]

this is strokeDasharray: '15% 50% 60% 50%'

[quartz kindle]

that you can use to offset the starting point

[quartz kindle]

try "0% 50% 50% 50%"

[stuck dawn]

almost

that tiny thing on the right

[quartz kindle]

so increase the second 50% a bit

like 0 50 52 50

[stuck dawn]

yeah

perfect

tysm

[quartz kindle]

although this is basically going at it blindly, not an exact calculation

[stuck dawn]

yeah i know 😂 but it works thats what i need

[quartz kindle]

xD

[stuck dawn]

idk why this is happening if you have any idea.. like it cuts the stroke

for some reason

[quartz kindle]

If a <percentage> is used, the value represents a percentage of the current viewport (see Units).
... The percentage is calculated as the specified percentage of sqrt((actual-width)**2 + (actual-height)**2))/sqrt(2).

im guessing the percentage is based on the size of the image lol

so it could have issues if you change resolution/scaling

[quartz kindle]

the stroke is going out of bounds

[stuck dawn]

i will see..

[quartz kindle]

i dont think there is a way to set inner-stroke

so you will need to either increase the size of the image a bit, or reduce the position of the stroke

[stuck dawn]

ok

[quartz kindle]

ie if the stroke is 2px, make the arc 1px less radius

[stuck dawn]

thank you, also thank you @lyric mountain

[quartz kindle]

you can also do clip/mask shenanigans

[stuck dawn]

idk if i can

i use this formula to rotate the menu items

[past field]

i have a strange concept for a game i’d like to code

it’s a “confessions game”

long story short, have players join a lobby, game starts, bot creates a channels in a category for each individual player to type in things they want to share, bot records the messages then it then deletes the channels, call players back to the channel where the original interaction happened, posts the recorded messages in an embed without the author and players must guess who wrote what by @ mention. first player to 5 guesses first wins

my question is, can i have the bot store the messages in an array instead of setting up a database?

[lyric mountain]

sure, if you dont mind losing everything when you shutdown the bot

[past field]

yes the messages will essentially be erased after each game anyways

[lyric mountain]

databases aren't mandatory, you just need it if you want to persist data

[past field]

ok that’s what i was thinking

so i’m a little stuck

and the code i have for it so far is kind of long

[lyric mountain]

2 issues that I did notice already

[past field]

okay, what’re you thinking?

[lyric mountain]

1 - you cannot stop players from cheating (they can multi-tab into others' channels, unless you have manage roles perm to block everyone but the specific player)
2 - it'll be VERY hard to check for correct guesses

oh and

[past field]

yes i have the bot create the channel for each individual player, so only the player and admin can see the channel

[lyric mountain]

3 - player count will be limited by the ratelimit (which is fairly low for channel creation/delete)

unless you use threads

but then point 1 will be the major issue

[past field]

also, i was thinking about that for checking answers.. i hadn’t gotten that far yet. i have the messages and the author by discord ID stored in the array

[lyric mountain]

as you cannot have per-thread permissions

[past field]

ahhh ok i see

[lyric mountain]

at least I think you cant

[lyric mountain]

yes but you'll rely on exact same wording

unless you use either a language model (aka AI) or fuzzy matching (which is faaaairly hard to get working on full sentences)

[past field]

i was thinking the players would have to actually @ mention who they think wrote it

and the bot could match the ID of the mentions to the ID of the message in the array

i’ve never tried anything like this and i’m fairly new to this so i’m just asking if it’s possible

[past field]

i ran a test with what i have so far and it create/deleted 3 with no issues

[pine willow]

Yes if you run it once

Now simulate it with 8 servers doing this

[lyric mountain]

each server with like 10 players

[pine willow]

Yes

[lyric mountain]

ultimately things that rely on channel creation are heavily gated by how fast discord allows you to do it

[pine willow]

[past field]

i’m only doing this for my server

i should have led with that

this is my own personal bot that only my server has

[pine willow]

How many members?

100?

[past field]

in the server? or the player limit?

[pine willow]

Server

[past field]

1,183

[pine willow]

Now imagine 30 of them playing

Or more

[past field]

that would be wild lol

[lyric mountain]

honestly, why dont u use slash commands to submit answers?

[pine willow]

Yea

[lyric mountain]

nobody else can see your commands if u make it ephemeral

[pine willow]

Yes

[past field]

during the game? would that require a database?

[lyric mountain]

not really

[pine willow]

Nah

[lyric mountain]

just use smth like /submit something I did but forgor

where anything after submit is the answer you'd write in the channel

then save it on the array as you'd do already

[past field]

hm

i’m also thinking

[pine willow]

He could save it in MySQL but that would require a Database

[past field]

once the game start, can i have it create a button that will allow them to input their “confessions” ?

[pine willow]

Ye

[past field]

what’s it called where people can type in responses?

like this? i can’t remember

[craggy pine]

modal?

[past field]

yes there it is

thank you

this would be just better than creating and deleting channels

[summer torrent]

form

[surreal sage]

feeling cute might make my own lang & compiler (in typescript ofc)

[radiant kraken]

why not in C++ and make it compiled with llvm

[wheat mesa]

Make it in rust

So much better than ts or C++ for compilers

[surreal sage]

Atwood's law bitch!

rewriting llvm in javascript

[radiant kraken]

so based

can you work with llvm in rust tho

[eternal osprey]

I wanted to create my own esolang but idk didn’t really go well

[wheat mesa]

Yeah there’s bindings

[radiant kraken]

you should integrate llvm with your breakfast lang fr fr

[wheat mesa]

I was trying to use Cranelift for it

But I just never got past the typechecking phase

[radiant kraken]

why?

[wheat mesa]

Got distracted with other stuff

[sand stirrup]

Hi, Is it possible to get feedback on a bot listing that was denied / speak with the reviewer? It was listed that the main feature is not working, and attached was a screenshot of the feature working exactly as it should 😅

#mod-logs message

[deft wolf]

Write him a private message, they should reply within 24 hours

[sand stirrup]

Alright, thank you 😄

[eternal osprey]

Does anyone know how I can assign multiple ips to my own host?

Like does my router actually accept multiple dhcp requests assuming that I already joined the network?

Because I don’t think I can just change my iptables to route different packets through different ips.. like the router must first confirm it’s not duplicate?

[eternal osprey]

nvm my ugly ahh just discovered proxies

so... does anyone know good proxy sites/api's? Also, i am not doing something illegal lmao, but i am using proxies on my own site to hide users that are interacting with each other.

[sharp geyser]

are you doing some kind of p2p type stuff?

Kind of like how discord vcs work

[eternal osprey]

yup!

I don't want people to ddos each other lmao, so i want to use proxies.

To be fair, when using proxies it's forwarded to the real host ip and you'll not be able to use e.g. wireshark to intercept that traffic (as far as my understanding goes).

[lament rock]

Depends on if you use TCP or UDP. There's plenty for your use case. You might want to use keywords like "relay"

[eternal osprey]

it's a vc, so i am going to use udp. TCP would be too slow.

Idk i found some proxy sites online and they offered 1000 proxies for 5 dollars a month, but are these proxies like, lifetime? Or do i need to replace them every x months or so

[lament rock]

They probably mean only proxy 1000 connections

Which is trash. Use your own infrastructure

Depending on concurrent users, you'll need multiple high bandwidth servers and the systems themselves don't have to be too powerful. RAM might be a concern depending on how many bytes you allow per chunk of data and how many connections your uplink supports or you want to put per server

[frosty gale]

i cant imagine it'd be too difficult

in theory a region is just a server which has each user connect via a udp connection

server then broadcasts packets received by each user to each connected user

unless you want it to be peer to peer but that'd expose each users ip

[eternal osprey]

i am fine with spendig like 50$ a month, they offer like 100k proxies for that price.

[eternal osprey]

how so?

[past field]

ok i am stuck

but im kind of scared to post what i need help with because i used chat gpt a little bit

pls don't judge me, i'm still learning

[sharp geyser]

Just ask your question

[pine willow]

yh

[deft wolf]

Personally, I think I've gotten used to the code written by chat gtp after what I saw on Discord Developers

[past field]

so in reference to this

i ended up just having members type in their confessions in a modal.. but im stuck on getting the bot to display the messages at random without including the author information in an embed 1 by 1 so that people can guess the @ mention of the person who wrote it

i'd like to show someone what I have so far (whoever is willing to help) but idk if it's better to invite to the server to see it or just posting the code here. or both?

[wheat mesa]

Post your code here

[past field]

it's discord.js v13

slashcommandbuilder

[sharp geyser]

If it’s big enough to be sent as a file put it in a bin

https://pastes.dev

[wheat mesa]

Why does everyone shuffle the array

Just generate a random index

Infinitely easier

[sharp geyser]

Now I want to see the code

[past field]

not familiar with this method.. i'm pretty new at this and have learned so much! I'll learn this method of randomizing

[past field]

willdo!

[frosty gale]

if you dont want the chance of duplicate entries its easier to shuffle the array but if not that then yeah

[wheat mesa]

Sorry I may have come off as somewhat condescending in that, did not mean it that way

[sharp geyser]

How does generating a random index here work over shuffling it

[wheat mesa]

Although I’m seeing now that he wants all of the entries in random order not just picking one

[frosty gale]

if youre only doing it once it doesnt matter

[wheat mesa]

So yeah shuffling is fine

[past field]

yes it's supposed to only show once

[wheat mesa]

I see array shuffling and I immediately assume it’s because someone wants a random entry

[sharp geyser]

Yuh, I was about to say :p

[past field]

once someone guesses correctly or after 2 minute, it will randomly select another message in the array

[past field]

correct

[sharp geyser]

so wait

you do only want 1 entry?

[past field]

so basically, the members will input as many messages as they want in the modal and it'll save in the array. after 2 minutes, the bot will send the messages 1 by 1 at random in an embed without the authors info and the players have to @ mention who they think wrote it

[sharp geyser]

alright then yea, you dont need to shuffle the array

If you are getting just a random entry you can do what waffle said and just generate a random index

array[Math.floor(Math.random() * array.length)]

[past field]

i'm stuck at the part of having the bot pull the messages from the array and putting them in the embed

[past field]

would this repeat any messages as chloe mentioned?

[sharp geyser]

you can pop it off after you get it

[past field]

is that a more effective way of randomizing what messages are displayed for them to guess the author of the message?

[sharp geyser]

I mean yea, cause then you aren't looping over the array

[past field]

https://pastes.dev/6QtTPIpUH2 @sharp geyser

[sharp geyser]

btw, there is no discriminators anymore

Also, what you are saying you want to do and what your code shows you doing, is not matching up

[past field]

for the console logging?

[past field]

I've only gotten as far as the messages being saved after members are typing them in the modal, disabling the modal button after 2 minutes and an announcement sent that it's time to guess

[past field]

am i biting off more than i can chew? lol

[proven lantern]

what does this button do?

[green kestrel]

finally got passive effects designed in my game bot! this is how it'll look internally

each effect has 3 phases
start, end, after
when the effect is activated, the script in on_start is executed under duktape, which can modify the player and game world, and set key-value store flags
after duration seconds, it moves to the end phase, and the code in on_end column is executed, again, this can modify the user and game world around them
and again after withdrawl seconds, the on_after is executed, if both withdrawl and on_after are non-null
the type and requirements indicate what the player must have available to trigger it, in this case all 3 are spells that the player must have, with enough mana available to cast them
the first two temporarily boost stats, and then have a withdrawl period where the stat is lowered, then the stat goes back to previous value, unless its current value at time of ending the effect is lower, then the lower is kept
the last one changes someones profession for a day, but only once per week

and yeah, duktape scripts are ES5, come at me bruh.

[lyric mountain]

cant, I use the same method

but groovy

also for the love of your sanity, get intellij ultimate

so u can have code checking inside database editor

[wheat mesa]

there's so many libs and stuff that this is barely rust tbh 😭

[lavish drift]

Does anyone here host a bot using Digital Ocean?

[pearl trail]

i use do but not for hosting a bot

[lavish drift]

they were just a cheap options i found with good reviews

either way, im trying to use digital ocean to keep my discord bot up 24/7. I dont know how to run my python script even after my linux terminal is closed

[lament rock]

You’ll need something like screen

apt-get install screen

Then look up a tutorial for screen

[pearl trail]

screen -S mylovelybot

to exit without killing it, ctrl + a, then ctrl + d

to continue, do screen -r mylovelybot

[lament rock]

I just use screen -x

cuz only 1 screen session

Having multiple is kinda weird

[pearl trail]

ah

i host multiple things so yeah

[radiant kraken]

it looks pretty decent

i'l make a pull request

[pale vessel]

what the null doin there

[split cedar]

Hello

[civic scroll]

kuu is a company????