development

[eternal osprey]

i got the mobile view working

just the desktop is still only showing half

[sharp geyser]

How do you render this

[real rose]

cus its just using up all the space it needs

[eternal osprey]

the html is restricted as it seems

[real rose]

eh

Add the CSS Viewer chrome extension, much nicer than devtools imo

[sharp geyser]

you aren't placing this div inside another div are you?

Im thinking its a parent element restricting it to a certain size

[eternal osprey]

no this is genuinely all my code

apart from the js, imports and stuff

[sharp geyser]

🤔

Is this purely html, css and js

or is it react?

[eternal osprey]

yes

only using bootstrap to help with css

vanilla js and html

that explains a lot i think

the col-md-6 limits it

[sharp geyser]

I mean that might be the issue

[eternal osprey]

no it ain't

wtff

[sharp geyser]

But it doesnt make sense it would be

Are you setting the height and width anywhere else in any css

like global css?

like maybe a * {} or a body {}

[eternal osprey]

i got it working...

it was a div in a div.

you were right.

[sharp geyser]

lmao

[eternal osprey]

does anyone know how i can test my api on my site?

currently getting:

Fetch API cannot load http://127.0.0.1:3000/login due to access control checks.```

[sharp geyser]

postman

[eternal osprey]

i swear i used to test my api and it worked great, but today it just decided to give me this error.

[sharp geyser]

they have a vscode extension too so you dont need to install anything

[sharp geyser]

Wait are you using the node fetch?

[eternal osprey]

yeah

localhost works

but 127.0.0.1 is a no go

strangeee

[sharp geyser]

well from what I read online

it seems to be due to not having a trailing slash

💀

[eternal osprey]

crazyy

[sharp geyser]

Is it cheaper running an ai model locally than to use one through a service?

I am in need of a speech to text ai that will make it easy transcribing audio files

Google cloud offers this, but in the long run idk if it'd be cheaper to use it, or host one myself

[eternal osprey]

To be fair, such models need A LOT of data to train on. You most likely want to use parallel hosting to train the model. Save the model, then stop that subscription of the hosting and use the modal to generalize new data, aka use it for what it was intended.

[sharp geyser]

😔

Idk how to do any of that

[eternal osprey]

You can try to train it on your own pc but it will cost you a lot of time and resources

[sharp geyser]

my laptop would explode

[eternal osprey]

Yeah don’t do that then

[sharp geyser]

😔

Its so expensive to use already made models tho

[eternal osprey]

Actually I think you need 2 ais to accomplish this

[sharp geyser]

What for

[eternal osprey]

One to generate the actual text and one to adverse against, that will actually correct the first AI

[sharp geyser]

😭

[eternal osprey]

It’s used a lot of create realistic image generators

Simply cooked.

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-you-are-done-hells-kitchen-get-out-gif-10277575

[sharp geyser]

Well

Guess ima have to suck it up

and just use google cloud

Ion got the time nor money to do it myself

11.52$ per 8h audio file.

I might have to lower the max

That's simply too expensive

I am fucking cooked.

[tulip plume]

look into reverse openai apis.
There are plently of servers that offers those and have free tiers, which also included openai whisper

pretty sure the best alternative

[sharp geyser]

problem with that is I need one that can transcribe in multiple langauges

so google cloud's chirp ai model is the best thing for me

Its just pricey asf when you get into an increased amount of minutes

[tulip plume]

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/speech-to-text/supported-languages

[sharp geyser]

I just saw that

And whisper is cheaper as well

[tulip plume]

or look into reverse openai api first
Good for testing

[sharp geyser]

you mean https://github.com/PawanOsman/ChatGPT this?

[tulip plume]

im personally a fan of nagaai

[tulip plume]

this one is huge but im not sure what free tiers or whatever they provide

[sharp geyser]

Actually neither offer a speech to text model

[tulip plume]

https://naga.ac/dashboard/models

there is also zukijourney, which 100% offers audio

gg/zukijourney

[sharp geyser]

I looked at the wrong one then

[tulip plume]

i used both

for other stuff

the nice thing is, you can just use the openai lib and change base url

[sharp geyser]

Can you explain the tiers?

What exactly does it mean 3 per minute?

[tulip plume]

its 3req per min

[sharp geyser]

Ah

Okay

So 3 req a minute, and 200 reqs a day

That's not bad tbh

[tulip plume]

pretty sure zuki has better limits as free user

let me see

naga was pretty awesome but now its too big

[sharp geyser]

Also, naga has paid credits, whats the point of those

💀

[tulip plume]

so they addeda lot of limits

you get like 5 credits for free every month

before it was purely req limit based

[sharp geyser]

What are the credits used for?

[tulip plume]

to make calls to their endpoints

[sharp geyser]

[tulip plume]

Its like every ai website

[sharp geyser]

They don't specify how much it costs tho for each call

[tulip plume]

1 Minute: 0.0015

[sharp geyser]

Unless it means it costs 0.0015 credits per minute

[tulip plume]

pretty sure it means for 1min audio, it takes 0.0015 credits

[sharp geyser]

yea no

thats per minute

If you send longer audio it will use that rate for every minute

and likely rounds up tbh

Still its cheaper than going through conventional means ig

[tulip plume]

for all other stuff its per call, so pretty sure, this is the same lol

i just checked zuki and she has no limits as far as i can tell

[sharp geyser]

12,000 minutes of audio costs 18 credits, 1$ per credit is 18$

[tulip plume]

because much smaller

[sharp geyser]

website?

[tulip plume]

no website, only discord
inv -> gg/zukijourney

[dusky idol]

How do people usually host their bot on more than one server?
I heard that for a large scale project, you need more than a single hosting?
So how is it exactly split? Is it shard based or something

[sharp geyser]

kubernetes

Services like OVH has kubernetes built in, allowing it to spawn servers as it needs.

You wont likely need kubernetes for a discord bot though, not any time soon.

You'd need to have a massive amount of servers to warrant the need for it.

[sharp geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PziYflu8cB8

[dusky idol]

I see, any rough estimate?

[sharp geyser]

Uh, no

Cause its quite literally an acheivment (meaning you'd likely never reach the need to start scaling horizontally) you likely would never reach. Unless your bot is in discord.js then maybe.

Depending on the language it also has its drawbacks, every language has its own ways of handling memory. The point of kubernetes is to scale your application horizontally, which is adding more servers onto your stack and spreading the workload. Vertical scaling on the other hand is increasing the spec of the hardware like the ram and cpu cores.

For a discord bot, you'd probably need to start scaling either way once you reach servers in the millions (depending on the language you are using and what your bot does)

Its hard to say when you should start scaling though, as me saying in the millions is just an estimate. Some languages are better at handling memory and have a lower footprint.

I am also very likely over exaggerating, but you'd still need a substantial amount of servers to warrant any sort of horizontal scaling, typically just upgrading your current vps is fine enough

[sharp geyser]

Also bear in mind, I am no expert in this field. I only am relaying what i've come to interpret about it

[lament rock]

Eventually you will hit a CPU bottleneck just by processing network packets

So that's always fun

[sharp geyser]

yea but horizontally scaling is usually not something you'd want to do in this case.

Vertically scaling typically is more than sufficiant

Unless you hit a limit there as well

horizonal scaling can also be rather expensive as well

[sharp geyser]

Also, how easy is it to even hit that bottleneck?

[lament rock]

I was having issues with gateway events at around 7000 servers processing messages but this was with the ws package. Tim's ws gave a huge performance uplift

[dusky idol]

I see, what langauge did you work with?

[sharp geyser]

js

Any time you see someone say "I used tim's x" its always js

[dusky idol]

I hit 7000 yesterday, doubt how I'm gonna fix the issues I'm currently facing

[dusky idol]

Makes sense

[sharp geyser]

What's the issue?

[dusky idol]

The delay within commands ofc

[sharp geyser]

Ah right.

Still having problems?

[lament rock]

Use cloudstorm and snowtransfer

[sharp geyser]

they use python

honestly zeksy, that lib you use for mongodb is so unheard of no one i've asked knows it.

[dusky idol]

Oh yes another issue, the ram keeps stacking up on the hosting
When I run the server the bot consumes like ~1gb ram. Overtime it keeps increasing tho
After 12 hours of bot being online, it hits like 4gb ram and everything becomes a little slower. I usually reload the server once every 12 hours to fix this issue. Still concerning

[dusky idol]

I see, what library do people usually stick to

[dusky idol]

Ignore the errors ofc

[sharp geyser]

pymongo

motor is listed on the official docs, but i've never seen people actually use it

pymongo was the one most people went for

[dusky idol]

Well if I switch to that library, would I've to make too many code-side changes?

[sharp geyser]

I've no idea on that. Nor am I suggesting you switch

If motor is listed on the docs of mongo then its supported by the community.

I also don't think what you are facing is necessarily a db issue, it just doesn't make sense

Databases are meant to be able to handle large amounts of requests

[dusky idol]

It has to be either db or host side error

[sharp geyser]

maybe @lament rock is able to help more

[dusky idol]

hm

[sharp geyser]

they are smarter than me

[dusky idol]

I could possibly use print statements to check where the command takes a stop

[sharp geyser]

Also 4gb of ram for only 7000 servers

thats abnormally high

[dusky idol]

yes i could tell

[sharp geyser]

Are you sharding? You kind of have to be casue discord forces you to at 2500

[dusky idol]

yes

its an autosharded bot

[sharp geyser]

ic

I mean, python has always been a slower language

4gb of ram tho just seems too high to be normal for python

[dusky idol]

yess

it could be catch

because like something stacks up over time

the ram is at 1gb and then it slowly scales up

[lament rock]

If py allows dumping the memory for analysis, do that

Sounds like a leak

[sharp geyser]

yea

Also, could be the problems to your database queries taking longer than usual

[dusky idol]

unsure how that works

[lament rock]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-google-it-gill-engvid-you-can-search-for-it-online-you-can-browse-for-it-on-the-web-gif-10409511348401384306

[dusky idol]

true

[sharp geyser]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/141351/how-do-i-find-what-is-using-memory-in-a-python-process-in-a-production-system

:p

[dusky idol]

okay so after doing some cheap research and looking through files I found this .git folder on my hosting

https://prnt.sc/LcT9Zhv35pCP this one folder takes 3gb of space on my hosting files, i doubt what it's about

well it takes from storage space, not ram tho. But could this possibly be the problem

okay i doubt it's the problem, did some research and its just old code

[sharp geyser]

.git is a folder generated when you use the git cli tool so you can push your changes to GitHub

It’s for version control

[sharp geyser]

Have you did a memory dump?

[dusky idol]

Not yet, but I talked to the hosting support team
They told me while or for loops might be causing the load on the machine and it instantly ringed a bell.

So there's a jjk fight command which sends an image, and then dynamically updates it every 3 seconds.
Basically your character A attacks the Char B and does damage etc till one is dead.
This fight command takes around 3-5mins on an average and i believe it might be storing the images in ram.

That might be cause of the issue

Let me show you how I save the images usually

                arr = io.BytesIO()
                await background.save(arr, format='PNG')
                arr.seek(0)
                file = disnake.File(arr, filename='filename.png')

usually it's something like that ^

i doubt id need to re work this command or find a fix for it lmao

[sharp geyser]

Either way that’s still too much ram to be used

[dusky idol]

yeh, but if an image is like 3mbs and there are hundreds of people doing the command, it might make sense

[sharp geyser]

Either way it also doesn’t hurt to do a memory dump anyway

Just to make sure

[dusky idol]

I doubt if this deletes the image after the command processing is done or it keeps the image inside the ram

[sharp geyser]

While loops can cause a performance hit, I doubt it’d be that significant unless you’re seriously doing something wrong

[sharp geyser]

Once it’s out of scope of the command function and all code is run the variable is dropped

[dusky idol]

It might just be both, the fight command does have too much processing to it

[dusky idol]

I see

[dusky idol]

yeh ill take a look

Another test I'm probably going to execute is disabling the fight command for ~6 hours and see how much difference it makes on the performance

if the difference is drastic then I might have to just fix this one command

[sharp geyser]

This is why if I make a bot with a lot of commands I group em into modules, that way I can disable either the entire module or a specific command :p

[dusky idol]

yes I've cogs for the bot

[pearl trail]

anyone know a way how to listen discord raw event from discord.net ?

[wheat mesa]

I think the issue is because this code saves to disk, and writing to disk can be slow for large files

[pale vessel]

it doesn't save it to disk, wdym

it's using bytesio

[wheat mesa]

If you want to send an image, you’re going to have to save it in RAM at some point in the process. If you don’t want to, you can use a CDN or something of that sort

That looks like it’s saving it, is it not?

I don’t know what BytesIO is, that just looks like it’s going on the disk

[pale vessel]

bytesio is used to manipulate data in memory

[wheat mesa]

I see

Python once again making sure to overcomplicate functions that should be standard

Nice

[frosty gale]

it still shouldnt be this slow

you must be doing something wrong

probably even on the worst host

[slender wagon]

psql -U fivem -d fivem
psql: error: connection to server on socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432" failed: FATAL: Peer authentication failed for user "fivem"

do you guys have any idea why it uses peer auth instead of requiring the password?

[dusky idol]

No I believe that was probably the issue only
I disabled the fight command, now the ram only scales upto 800mbs-1.2GB unlike before.

                arr = io.BytesIO()
                await background.save(arr, format='PNG')
                arr.seek(0)
                file = disnake.File(arr, filename='filename.png')```

I believe this little shit just stores the image in memory and it's probably isn't deleted at all, as people run the command over and over the memory fills up and bot gets slower. That's an assumption
All I can say fs is that as soon as this command got disabled, the performance increased by 5times ![muidead](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1218213861388320808.webp?size=128 "muidead")

I'd want the command back however. The fight command is important
it's either that I get rid of images or find a better way to deal with it

I doubt it even deletes the image after the command has finished, it's more likely that it just keeps the image stores in the memory.
That's the only valid explanation I can think of considering that the memory isn't scaling up with having this command off

[eternal osprey]

hey guys i had learned java a pretty long time ago, i forgot a lot of it tho. Any good docs i can refer to, to refresh that bish

[dusky idol]

Also just to clear this up, it saves it on RAM not on the disk.

I'm still doing my research on how to resolve the problem xD. Pretty glad that I figured out what even is causing the problem

[dusky idol]

Also Flaze, are you experienced with bytes.io? I had a few questions to ask regarding it

[pale vessel]

sorry, but i'm not proficient with python. best to ask other users here

[dusky idol]

ah alright

[rugged delta]

SOMEONE PLS COME AND HELP ME

I need help

ASAFP

Liek in DMs pls.......

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

This is me rn^^

.^(

[deft wolf]

What

[rugged delta]

My bot

in Dms??pls/

[deft wolf]

If you want to ask a question, please ask it here. Personally, I don't text random people in DM's

[frosty gale]

this is like your 3rd time asking for people to help you in dms

no one will give you personal support for free unless you wanna pay for it

but it would be just as good asking for help here

[shell tundra]

ok guys

its happening

the code isnt coding

so im following the djs guide on making a bot

[sharp geyser]

I am here to help jk I got stuck on it too

[shell tundra]

and something went wrong bc commands weren't being deployed globally

and then misty is trying to help but he doesnt know either 😭

what part of the code should i show bc im clueless at this (first time)

wait let me just

https://github.com/discordjs/guide/tree/main/code-samples/additional-features/cooldowns

everything on there

• a deploy-commands file

[sharp geyser]

I hate the djs guide with a passion

🔥

its her first time man

[real rose]

RTFM

[sharp geyser]

calm down

[real rose]

fr

[sharp geyser]

don't need a typescript library 😭

[shell tundra]

idk what this means bro

[sharp geyser]

its advised to do so

[shell tundra]

bro i dont even know typecript lets slo down

[sharp geyser]

detritus without ts is like shooting yourself in the foot

[shell tundra]

https://github.com/discordjs/guide/blob/main/code-samples/creating-your-bot/command-deployment/deploy-commands.js

i think(?) thats what i had till misty edited stuff

[sharp geyser]

Im writing a class based framework for zobs rn

Well global commands can take up to 1h to show

guild commands which she is trying to post rn aren't showing

[shell tundra]

im p sure its been an hour since we started trying

[sharp geyser]

maybe

[shell tundra]

i've the bot in 2 servers

its showing it on 1, not the other

wait

do i need to edit the guild id

in config file

cuz its set to the other srver

ok

nvm its been on the guild im tryna make it work on 😭

[sharp geyser]

actually I set it to the guild id of that guild

before you were doing it to the other

[shell tundra]

oh

anyways it has been fixed

[sharp geyser]

foreshadowing words indeed

[shell tundra]

my eyes are in pain

[shell tundra]

I'm very happy with the coding progress

Very little but it's something

[radiant kraken]

Good job!

I am also helping aaron on his discord.js framework

[shell tundra]

I've heard

Ur both poggers

[sharp geyser]

We will make it the best one you could possibly use

[radiant kraken]

[ionic schooner]

how dare you BETRAY the rust femboy association

[sharp geyser]

we are doing this for zobs

dont be mean

[ionic schooner]

oh

understandable

[sharp geyser]

yea

[ionic schooner]

zobs for president

[radiant kraken]

Rust is always a part of my heart zoro

[sharp geyser]

ong

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

Zobs for Vice CEO

[radiant kraken]

me for CEO

[ionic schooner]

whenever I do any other languages I think "man I could do this so much faster in rust"

[sharp geyser]

I was originally writing the framework in js

and then was like fuck this I need a type system

so I am using ts now

[ionic schooner]

ts is bae

[sharp geyser]

I forgot you can make js packages in ts

[ionic schooner]

Yeah honestly the best way to do it

[radiant kraken]

ts + rust + c/c++ is bae

best of all worlds

[sharp geyser]

I honestly want to learn C at some point

but not this year

@radiant kraken since you are a C god

what is C written in

like

the compiler anyway

[radiant kraken]

I am... a C god...?

i'm flattered

[sharp geyser]

you know more about it than me

so

yes

:D

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

So what is the C compiler written in

asm?

[radiant kraken]

The C compiler is written in either C/C++ or asm

It can be any compiled language really

[sharp geyser]

yea

but C is the birth of all modern languages (for the most part)

[radiant kraken]

Hahahaha yeah!

C is over 51 years old

[sharp geyser]

So how could its compiler be written in itself

Ion understand

How can the C compiler

be written in C

[radiant kraken]

It's probably compiled with another compiler

With another compiler compiled by another compiler... and so on

Until a compiler written in machine code

[sharp geyser]

so

my hopes of writing a true programming language

not built on another

is but a dream

[radiant kraken]

You can make a compiler that compiles itself

Like Rust for example, the Rust compiler is written... in Rust

[lament rock]

but thats a pre compiled binary

[sharp geyser]

I want to make a programming language on par with C /j

itd be cool to make a language that doesn't rely on another like C or C++

[radiant kraken]

[sharp geyser]

https://lunacookies.github.io/lang/ time to do this soon™️

[radiant kraken]

that would be nice

it would also teach you C/C++ too! :)

[lament rock]

asm is… Fun

I know how to write some forms of asm

Do I recommend it? Not really.

[sharp geyser]

fuck it

we writing a top.gg os

the only thing it does is let you view top.gg

[lament rock]

just strip chrome os

[sharp geyser]

even if I do that it'd still use up 40gb of ram

[lament rock]

You paid for the system. You will use all of the system

[sharp geyser]

lol

[radiant kraken]

hey! let's make a CC OS

[lament rock]

cc?

carbon copy?

[sharp geyser]

its our company project

[lament rock]

What about bcc?

Oh lol

[sharp geyser]

honestly speaking

it'd be cool to make an OS

or even a programming langauge

Lets turn rust OOP

[sharp geyser]

What about the kgb

🪆

[radiant kraken]

Rust++

[sharp geyser]

BET

we will rewrite cc in it

😏

[sharp geyser]

r++

[ionic schooner]

Just rewrote everything in rust

[radiant kraken]

mhm

[sharp geyser]

Me and null are hiring rust devs for 0$ an hour

:)

[radiant kraken]

ahahahaha we don't need to, because we already are!

[sharp geyser]

nah we r++ devs

[lyric mountain]

Rawr devs

[sharp geyser]

ok im never posting that cursed shit again

[lyric mountain]

I saw it lmao

[sharp geyser]

you saw nothing sir

and it will stay that way

[radiant kraken]

What did you POST

[sharp geyser]

nothing

[radiant kraken]

I must KNOW

[sharp geyser]

Nothing shall be known

My curse is I come up with new shit to do every day

forgetting I already have priorities

[radiant kraken]

It happens aaron!

We all went there

[sharp geyser]

yet I always get distracted

[radiant kraken]

i can help you from the distraction! :)

[sharp geyser]

[lament rock]

@ mods leak deleted message!!

[covert roost]

question. is it possible for a bot to get banned for what it says with the say command?

[lament rock]

Yeah

It's your job to sanitize

[pale vessel]

yes. make sure that your bot isn't lewd and racist like me

[covert roost]

bro i literally cannot control what my stupid users do with the say command thats bullshit

[sharp geyser]

yea you can

[covert roost]

how

[sharp geyser]

sanitize the input

[covert roost]

as if i knew how to do that perfectly

[pearl trail]

get 1 trillion list of curse words, filter the word with that

[pale vessel]

if bots like carlbot doesn't filter it, then you're probably fine

[civic scroll]

use an ai for sanitizing the input

better yet, use machine learning

[proud tartan]

uhmm how can i remove my bot??

[pale vessel]

do you have your bot link?

[proud tartan]

yup

[dusky idol]

Had to ask get some confirmation, pretty basic

@commands.command()
async def test(self, ctx):
   a = "anything"
   for i in range(1, 5): print(a)

This a as well as the loop is instantly dropped once the command is finished right

[sharp geyser]

yea

[gusty linden]

hi

[frosty gale]

the world if js had decorators

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

oh i think typescript supports them

thats awesome

[green kestrel]

no thats the world if we didnt invent full stack JS

[past field]

hello world

[ionic schooner]

Ye it does and they’re amazing

[tribal crow]

Is this channel limited to bot development?

[pale vessel]

nope

[tribal crow]

Great

[sharp geyser]

hey gamers

I got a js/ts question ik can you believe it after swapping to rust I looked back!

I am making a framework for discord.js, and decided to bring some rust ideologies to it. Since I can't do feature flags, I kind of have to make multiple packages and just have them act as "feature" flags. My only worry is, if each package requires the same dependency, will it bloat the node_modules by reinstalling that dep

or does it just install it once, and have every package use it that requires it

Or does this vary depending on package manager?

[harsh nova]

Only installs once if the packages require the same version iirc

[sharp geyser]

[frosty gale]

i hope so anyway

[harsh nova]

Also, making a framework for a framework???

[sharp geyser]

djs is a library

🤓

[harsh nova]

🤓

ATE

[sharp geyser]

beat you to it

L bozo

[harsh nova]

Not on my screen

[sharp geyser]

im on pc

so my opinion is more valid

L bozo

[harsh nova]

Yeah I reloaded and it changed :(

[sharp geyser]

[frosty gale]

its hard to test this but i am fairly certain npm will install the dependencies separately

mostly because its hard to keep track of this stuff to reuse a shared package and because its very likely 2 packages will end up having 2 different versions of the same thing

[sharp geyser]

[frosty gale]

i know a package manager like pnpm actually attempts to reuse packages with dependencies instead of each dependency having its own node_modules

[sharp geyser]

What about with pnpm

[frosty gale]

but i wouldnt worry about it too much

[sharp geyser]

Well

I don't want their node_modules to be bloated with the same package.

The entire framework runs based off a plugin system. You can make your own plugins as well by installing the core package which handles loading plugins and giving you the plugin class.

Very likely you will be needing the core package yourself, and then other plugins also make use of the core package

Would this also not likely cause version conflicts or whatever?

[frosty gale]

not even a bad project

[sharp geyser]

[frosty gale]

write an os that sets up everything required to run a reduced version of javascript

[sharp geyser]

bun as in the js runtime?

[frosty gale]

theres tons of js engines designed to run in embedded environments

then you can expose APIs in that js engine to basically make an os in js

[sharp geyser]

why not write an OS in zig

[frosty gale]

@quartz kindle if you ever wanna collab in this revolutionary project let me know

[sharp geyser]

Chloe x Tim

[frosty gale]

you can handle the js and engine side i can handle the os side

[sharp geyser]

a force to be reckoned

Also, how the hell should I handle loading plugins

Should I just scan any directories that has classes with an instance of Plugin

[frosty gale]

this would be the most ridiculous project to ever exist

imagine writing system drivers in js

[sharp geyser]

💀

Sounds like it would be fun

[quartz kindle]

sounds like a nightmare

[sharp geyser]

oh hello tim

just the person I am looking for

please guide me in the way of js/ts

I haven't touched this language in 3 years

😭

[quartz kindle]

wut

[mental glen]

is it possible to fetch how many votes my bot has so i can put it in my botinfo command?

[robust yacht]

@shell tundra the bot has a help command its @pulse help

its in the status and works fine

[shell tundra]

you put $ as the prefix so that's what was tried

[robust yacht]

oh is it possible to do it ahain?

[sharp geyser]

you gotta resubmit

[robust yacht]

but with a ping

[robust yacht]

oh time to rewrite stuff 😭

[sharp geyser]

👍

[frosty gale]

@shell tundra can i make a bot that can only be reviewed by a specific reviewer

[sharp geyser]

I mean, just make the reviewer zobs

and you will 100% get approved

Your chances of not getting zobs as your reviewer is higher than getting struck by lightning

[frosty gale]

i will pick the worst one so that my public eval command can be approved

admin permissions as well

[sharp geyser]

bot require admin perms to send messages

[robust yacht]

😭 yk evals are so fangerous bro

[shell tundra]

you will pick worst what

[robust yacht]

anyone can grab ur token through that

[sharp geyser]

br

aka u /j

[shell tundra]

[frosty gale]

i will ask them not to do that

[shell tundra]

after yesterdays events yes i am the worst 💀

[robust yacht]

ok ill resubmit

[sharp geyser]

bro idek the rules of that event and I can already tell I dont want to fucking do it

[shell tundra]

give me the damn repo
"r u on drugs"

oh i was talking about my little mistake

[sharp geyser]

Oh

LOl

[shell tundra]

💀

[robust yacht]

@shell tundra btw the crypto cmds only work within a svr i beeh lasy asf for once i resubmit so yk its working just im lazy to make function in dms

[shell tundra]

if there's no commands what am i meant to test?

ok that was funny why'd you delete it

[sharp geyser]

the commands that are available zobs

[shell tundra]

i have done the laughing

[sharp geyser]

delete your messages I can put it back

[robust yacht]

they are cmds jjst only server because im lazy

lol

[shell tundra]

ok

[robust yacht]

kk

ill resub

[shell tundra]

submit fast i need to review 2 bots in 15m to get even number reviews

[sharp geyser]

well if she cant test the commands

what is there to test

[shell tundra]

their mom

[sharp geyser]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[shell tundra]

thasnk im so funny omg

[frosty gale]

yk i think its time to finally make a discord bot

and submit it to topgg

not for anything serious but for the sake of it

[shell tundra]

i am indeed making one

[frosty gale]

ill make one that lets you spawn a temporary linux vm and do anything on it

[sharp geyser]

[shell tundra]

https://i.imgur.com/j10Oyhz.png

best cmd ever

[sharp geyser]

https://github.com/collegecrafts/shensuo-core rate my framework code

[robust yacht]

@shell tundra done

[shell tundra]

u think i can review in 8 mins?!?! jk yes i cna

[robust yacht]

LMAO ty

ill create a /help ans $help cmd later tdy as well for now its just @pulse help

thanks

[shell tundra]

[real rose]

bro

[sharp geyser]

bro

[sharp geyser]

what you think of my framework code ray

😏

[real rose]

i dont see any fw code

[sharp geyser]

a

its not complete

[real rose]

i see that

mmm

[sharp geyser]

But you can vaugely see the idea im going for

[proven lantern]

is the Manage Messages permission ever needed for a bot to edit/delete it's own messages?

[lament rock]

No, never

the permissions for a bot to edit its own messages is view channel and read message history

[proven lantern]

gotcha so one way i could get an error trying to edit a message is if i dont have read message permission in the channel the message was written to

[lament rock]

read message history but yes

Use interactions if you absolutely must edit the messages and not after 15min

interactions largely ignore permissions

[proven lantern]

it's editing a persistent message showing a leaderboard over time

[lament rock]

Ah

[proven lantern]

right now my bot asks for manage messages permissions and doesn't need them, pretty sus

so i just need history?

[lament rock]

View channels is read messages

read message history and view channels

err maybe it might work without read message history. view channel is a must tho

Reactions require read message history so I assumed the same would apply for editing messages even self

manage messages is only required when editing someone else's messages for setting flags

https://github.com/DasWolke/SnowTransfer/blob/master/src/methods/Channels.ts#L452

Try it and see tbh

[dusky idol]

Either way so here's the update, I got suggested by my host provider to not use Atlas or buy a dedicated Atlas server instead I can host my MongoDB database on the hosting itself.
According to him if bot and database are getting hosted on the same server then there will be 0 latency/network issues as bot dont gotta build a connection bla bla

Yap wall aside now is the question, what region do I get my discord bot's server for? Which one will give best performance possible with discord's API? I'm assuimg the closer the host is to discord's hq the faster it would work
Just tell me what is the most ideal geographical region to host a discord bot on

[lament rock]

us east for api

[sharp geyser]

Hey Ophidian

I have a question for you

Have you ever made a npm package in ts and it was useable to people who used js?

[dusky idol]

I see Dallas Texas and Buffalo are my options. Any specific youd recommend?

[lament rock]

yes bc you compile to js first and thats the runtime files with optional dts

[sharp geyser]

Right right

My problem is

[lament rock]

Texas is us west

[dusky idol]

ohh

[sharp geyser]

1. We can't use js files, because the compiled js code has import/export
2. We can't use mjs files, because the compiled files are not mjs, so we can't do import {Something} from 'package'

We are running into errors left and right

[dusky idol]

let me just drop the options hol up

[lament rock]

compile to commonjs

[dusky idol]

deploy in Salt Lake City, Utah. Option to ship to Buffalo, Miami, Dallas
That's all i assume

[lament rock]

utah is us west-central

miami might be best

[dusky idol]

https://prnt.sc/XiO7JH80j6lL these are the database side options

Ohio database, couldn't ask for anything more

[lament rock]

ohio is us east perfection

[dusky idol]

I see, so Dallas Texas works just fine too i assume

[lament rock]

no lol

[dusky idol]

bruh

[lament rock]

texas is us west

[dusky idol]

oh

buffalo ny?

[lament rock]

ny is north east. Ohio is middle of eeast

its perfect

[dusky idol]

okay lets simplify that, so ny is perfect for a discord bot

[lament rock]

no

middle of us east is

[dusky idol]

what

[lament rock]

ohio

[dusky idol]

Ohio is perfect for discord bot?

I can already see memes coming in

[lament rock]

ok and?

[sharp geyser]

ReferenceError: __exportStar is not defined what kind of bullshit

[lament rock]

export * isnt supported in cjs

[civic scroll]

mf when no export * from 'lib';

[sharp geyser]

BRUH

[civic scroll]

in cjs that would be a syntax error

[sharp geyser]

What am I supposed to do this, this bs

Wanna know what I quit

ts wasn't meant for me

[civic scroll]

import individual components

or change tsconfig

by default its output is like ES3

or ES5 i don't rember

module stuffs are from ES6 onward

[sharp geyser]

{
  "compilerOptions": {
    "module": "CommonJS",
    "target": "ESNext"
  }
}

[lament rock]

This is what happens when the js ecosystem is fragmented

[sharp geyser]

I guess I don't do ESNext for my target

💀

[lament rock]

esm sucks imo

[sharp geyser]

Well I don't want to force people to use mjs

but not ot mention, the transpiler doesn't output mjs files

so people can do things like import {} from ''

so

[lament rock]

if its esm its mjs

same thing

mjs is just a file extension

cjs is for common js

[sharp geyser]

We were getting errors like this

SyntaxError: Named export 'ShensuoClient' not found. The requested module '@shensuo/core' is a CommonJS module, which may not support all module.exports as named exports.
CommonJS modules can always be imported via the default export, for example using:

import pkg from '@shensuo/core';
const { ShensuoClient } = pkg;

[lament rock]

module.exports.name = value

or exports.name

[sharp geyser]

Thing is idk what its talking about

[lament rock]

or export { value }

[sharp geyser]

Yea but I don't get it

Dk what its talking about module.exports

[dusky idol]

also could you quickly tell whys us-east more api friendly? I earlier thought west might be it conisdering discord hq is at san frencisco

[sharp geyser]

I use barrel files and export class

[lament rock]

the dif js flavor have dif module import and export syntax. module and exports is a cjs term

[lament rock]

thats where the discord api is

[dusky idol]

alright ill go with that, thanks

[civic scroll]

select one that is physically closest to the servers that your bot is running

remember, it's your application that reads / writes to the database, not discord api

[dusky idol]

yeh but as I said the database will be migrated to the hosting itself too.
So both the bot as well as the db will be on the same exact location

[civic scroll]

mongodb allows bot hosting???

[dusky idol]

with pterodactyl or something you can host the database on the vps or dedicate server is what I'm told at least

[civic scroll]

but like i said, pick a location that is physically closest to discord api servers

[civic scroll]

your screenshot shows mongodb atlas i believe

which is not on pterodactyl

[dusky idol]

Ah yes, that is the current db I'm using. I'm gonna migrate it to ptero

[civic scroll]

ah, understandable

[dusky idol]

second line precisely

[civic scroll]

yeah

[dusky idol]

that's what I'm willing to do, the only issue is that i'm uncertain about the api's location xd, nor can I find precise data on google

[civic scroll]

hit up discord cto

[dusky idol]

Migrating from atlas to petro shouldn't be that hard or lets hope its not lmao

[civic scroll]

tried to compile mongodb once

was a nightmare

[dusky idol]

I'm just gonna print store all data from atlas, put it in bot files then upload it to petro.
Not the most efficient but a nobrainer way

[civic scroll]

there's gotta be better way to migrate

you can have petro join mongodb's cluster then copy data from there

[sharp geyser]

        while (client.isReady() === false) {
            if (client.isReady()) break;
        }

wtf am I cooking 😭

I blacked out and wrote this

[earnest phoenix]

Hi, I need help with my bot. Idk why it's still offline. I have already verified few days ago

[sharp geyser]

Are you using discord.js?

[earnest phoenix]

no

[sharp geyser]

what are you using

[earnest phoenix]

I used Python and it's made years ago until recently I found out someone messed with mine so I made a complaint through Discord support. They took out my restriction and asked me to reverify and i did

[sharp geyser]

ok

are you sure you started the bot

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah

[sharp geyser]

Are you double sure? No errors in the console?

Did you reset your token at any point or was it reset

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah because it worked before as well

[sharp geyser]

Check your console for errors

[earnest phoenix]

idk ... wait how do i reset?

Because it's created years ago with my friend and i might have forgotton how to do it

[sharp geyser]

Okay, check your console for errors

[earnest phoenix]

hmm like in my development tool?

[sharp geyser]

I guess?

[earnest phoenix]

ok

also how do i change the image here?

[sharp geyser]

Through the developer page https://discord.com/developers/applications

[earnest phoenix]

I did

[sharp geyser]

if its on top.gg

you have to click refresh data, click edit, change something like adding a dot to your description and click save

[earnest phoenix]

ok the image has just changed Thanks

[civic scroll]

[sharp geyser]

I am going crazy sayu

[civic scroll]

i know

[sharp geyser]

Like

all the code I just wrote

usless

the design is flawed

😭

[green kestrel]

hey

[sharp geyser]

hello

[green kestrel]

hows stuff?

[sharp geyser]

I am going absolutely bonkers

you?

[civic scroll]

hi brain

[green kestrel]

lol how come

[sharp geyser]

sayu, you use ts extensively right?

[civic scroll]

i missed a * and accidentally created 200 billion items in a vector

[green kestrel]

ahahaha

[civic scroll]

yes

[green kestrel]

you didnt need that ram

[civic scroll]

😔 that ram needs a doctor

[sharp geyser]

I need someone to help me come up with a better design for my project cause the way it is rn, plugins are fucking useless

😭

I implemented the plugin system so poorly, its not even useable

It does what it is written to do, but it doesn't mesh well with anything

[green kestrel]

at least its not a minecraft server

check the swap usage lol

[sharp geyser]

300 threads go brrr

[green kestrel]

lol ikr

[sharp geyser]

8gb/8gb

nice

[civic scroll]

so this is a type system problem

[sharp geyser]

Not necessarily

its a design problem.

I implemented it in a bad way

[civic scroll]

oh

[sharp geyser]

That now its better off not using it

[civic scroll]

brb

[sharp geyser]

[civic scroll]

watching goblin drawing tutorial

[sharp geyser]

lol

gl

[sharp geyser]

I know you don't know ts

but your input might be helpful

[green kestrel]

whats funnier is 8gb swap on a machine with 64gb ram

i have swap because i have to, or linux shits the bed

[green kestrel]

i know the basics, but never used it

[sharp geyser]

Its more of a design flaw than actual ts I think

[civic scroll]

@sharp geyser also plugin wise you will need to
register the plugin at runtime
let the plugin be known to the type system (possible through namespace patching)

[green kestrel]

given up on C++ now? lol

[sharp geyser]

well

https://github.com/collegecrafts/shensuo-core & https://github.com/collegecrafts/shensuo-commandhandler are where the code is at.

Core has the plugin class, then the client class which handles loading the plugins. This is all fine and dandy but the issue arises when I am loading the plugin.

CommandHandler has ofc the CommandHandler class which extends Plugin from the Core package. Issue is, anything attached to CommandHandler class is basically useless because it only recognizes properties attached to the master class, in this case Plugin. Not to mention, when getting a plugin like the CommandHandler, you have to do `client.plugins.get('commandhandler') (assuming you put the name of the plugin as commandhandler as people can make their own plugins). Which I think is kinda meh, I feel like plugins should be attached to the client class but idk what you think

[sharp geyser]

Nope! This is a side project that started out with helping a friend but then I got carried away and decided to make a fleshed out framework

I am kinda taking inspiration from rust's cargo package manager with its feature flags, and making the framework work based off a plugin system so you can simply install what you want to use and disregard the rest.

Instead of what other frameworks do and add bloat onto an already bloaty package, and you likely will never use everything that framework has to offer

[green kestrel]

so like npm just not crap

[sharp geyser]

Well it still uses npm ofc

but I split the modules of the framework into different packages

So you only install the packages you need

core package only has the client and plugin loader and its also the package all plugins need

then you can install plugins like the commandhandler which relies on the core package to create the plugin :p

Its like a plug n play type thing

[sharp geyser]

I do want to make a new package manager thats like cargo tho ngl

💀

if node had a cargo like package manager it'd be leagues better already

[radiant kraken]

hai brain :)

any thoughts on https://github.com/null8626/cpp-sdk ?

i'm planning on making ports for two major C++ discord libraries, D++ and DiscordCoreAPI

[eternal osprey]

can i be held liable if i creatyed a site and some payment went wrong, without being the site owner myself?

For example the user paid but my endpoint suddenly went offline for some reason

[sharp geyser]

Whatever service you are using should have record of that payment.

Have them reach out to you if the payment went through on the processors end but not yours.

This isn't legal advice

but its due diligence

[radiant kraken]

but you are the Top.gg Lawyer™️

[sharp geyser]

keyword Top.gg

I specialize in top.gg

[pine willow]

[sharp geyser]

Realisitcally best you can do is A. if the payment went through on the processors end, and then your api suddenly goes down. Have a way to reach out to support. B if the api is currently down, then block all payments until its back up.

Honestly, i'd put payment processing into its own microservice though or smth.

Not attached to the main instance

Less risk of it going down when your api does. Unless its just a server issue

[eternal osprey]

i might do a full on review

once the site is up

i will test it for days and days to make sure it doesn't happen

but, in any sense can i be sued over a failed transaction

but that's actually really start

[lyric mountain]

monetary transactions are usually atomic

[eternal osprey]

smart, before payment i will send like a mock transaction to see if endpoint works. If not, i will simply return an error and block incoming requests.

[lyric mountain]

basically they either happen or they dont, no in-between

so u can just query the service once in a while to sync transactions

if it goes offline just tell the user to wait

[eternal osprey]

i use stripe to do so

[eternal osprey]

i am more like, what if my webhook has an error

so that my site does not recognize it

[sharp geyser]

I usually just throw an error if the api is down

Request Timed Out 😏

[lyric mountain]

you can query transactions

like, manually request the list, instead of being passive

you can use both

just like you do with topgg votes

[eternal osprey]

but to be fair, i don't think anything goes wrong because as soon as i use the webhook, i can simply update the user already which has a small chance of erroring

but in any case, can i be held liable?

What if i have that i as a developer cannot be held liable in my terms of service, privacy policy etc?

[lyric mountain]

privacy police has nothing to do with this

you could be held liable if the money was taken but you did nothing to attempt to fix the situation

so as I said, query the api once in a while to check if you lost any trans

[eternal osprey]

i see, smart.

What i want to implement is before we start the transaction, create a stateful entry of the user.

If completed, set to complete, if not but paid, we can actually query all those users and perform the action anyways. Maybe once each day?

[green kestrel]

nice, much thread, many core

what sort of cpu(s) is that?

or it is a heavily virtualised solution?

[green kestrel]

so long as you have avenues of support open for people to come for assistance it isnt a problem

its only when you are taking payments, not delivering the service and offering no way to communicate to get help, activate the service or seek refund that it becomes a problem

in the case the webhook didnt deliver payment state to your servers, you can check on the gateway for the transaction, and once verified you can retrigger it or make it right yourself

thats what i'd do

if the concern is real that the service may be down, and unable to receive a webhook, you need to rethink your service availability, make it more robust. perhaps add redundancy

in the real world for most people (unless you host on your wifi, in your bedroom at your parents house) its a non-issue

also most financial systems retry webhooks, with a backoff, so eventually you'd receive the webhook anyway

[unreal umbra]

Do you offer Bot developers community

[lyric mountain]

uh...what?

[eternal osprey]

i see, thank you so much

definitely made me less anxious

let me translate this for you guys:
"Hey i don't know how to code, but i want to make money by coding. I will search clients and you will do all the hard fucking work that will make you bald before you reached 30 years old (you'll probably die as a virgin as well). It's 50/50 btw."

[unreal umbra]

I am looking at making Privacy Policy and terms and condistions and wnated to know the best way to make them

[eternal osprey]

you have online generators for them

termly e.g. has a good one

[lyric mountain]

dont use one for PP

you need to state what info you use and how you use

NO

go somewhere else, nobody is going to work for free here

[unreal umbra]

Would you be able to help me make one

[lyric mountain]

no, https://termly.io/resources/guides/how-to-write-a-privacy-policy/ but read this

it doesn't need to be an essay, just be clear on how you use users' data and how they can ask for deletion

[unreal umbra]

does YouTube channel url come under Personal Information Collected Automatically (Derivative Data)

[lyric mountain]

uh, probably

you dont need to be too formal on the PP, just state what you store and why you need it

[green kestrel]

be careful! termly's policies arent free to use

youre supposed to pay for them

[lyric mountain]

that's a guide, not a generator

it explains what you should include in it

[green kestrel]

true, mainly talking about their generator

[unreal umbra]

Should I make my own them

[green kestrel]

probably not

its a legal document

if you do, first time its tried legally a lawyer would poke holes through it like wet toilet paper

[green kestrel]

you DO need to be formal! this is why

[lyric mountain]

that's more regarding ToS, not PP

PP is less strict than ToS

[green kestrel]

the whole hipster "dont be formal" thing is bs, if you look at all the informal PP's they have a formal part underneath and the informal bit is a summary

the wording is very important

especially when it comes to things like GDPR

PP protects end user, TOS protects YOU

rules laid out in the TOS give you a concrete reason to ban people who abuse your service, with no legal comeback on their part

rules laid out in privacy policy give the user concrete terms on how you store and use their data

i mean what if you just go "we dont give your data to third parties" <- exactly this, in your PP

you are breaking it the minute you connect to discord or any API

you know what you meant to say, but a lawyer would have an absolute field day with you

[eternal osprey]

their generator is free

though it's limited to 1/pp

[green kestrel]

and 10,000 page views per month

any popular bot is way above that

[eternal osprey]

owh damn dind't now

[eternal osprey]

anyone know how i can fix this...

my image appears to be too small for my content

so the background repeat shows this ugly repeat from the top like:
top
bottom
top
bottom.

How can invert the background repeat?
like
top
bottom
bottom
top?

[lament rock]

You'll need two image divs where one is normal and the other is flipped upside down

If Im understanding properly

[mental glen]

this look good?

what else should i do?

that blob thing kinda looks weird imo. idk lol
(yes i got the button idea from dank memer )

[lament rock]

too much empty space

Very bland design. Modern design is very boring when you're trying to convey fun. Look up fun design elements for websites

I personally went for a neocities-esk look at https://amanda.moe

[lament rock]

ctor functions are fun

the js parser is very loose and its cursed

[sharp geyser]

its dumb you can just chain new

💀

[solemn latch]

you just want the newest you can get

I get it

[quartz kindle]

its not the only thing you can chain :^)

[sharp geyser]

ong

there's a lot I can chain tim

like ur mom

[solemn latch]

?!?!

[sharp geyser]

ok bye

[quartz kindle]

you cant chain my mom, shes unchainable

[sharp geyser]

😏

Ask @shell tundra that

[shell tundra]

sorry tim's mom is in my basement

[lament rock]

chained

[quartz kindle]

funny, she just told me she locked someone in her basement

[sharp geyser]

oh snap

zobs got gotted

[sharp geyser]

review my code plez

😏

Honestly tim should setup a code review site

make bank

[lament rock]

Just have ChatGPT do it

[sharp geyser]

lol

You had an error, heres some code from a github issue of the guy facing the same error!

[quartz kindle]

twitch stream code reviews

[sharp geyser]

matter of fact

let me look at twitch again

[quartz kindle]

i thought about doing that tbh, stream code reviews... and shitting on bad code

xD

[sharp geyser]

wanna review my code on stream?

its my new framework

[quartz kindle]

no :^)

[sharp geyser]

First time using typescript in 3 years

[quartz kindle]

i just watched an interesting video about a job interview at microsoft from 1994

the interviewer asked the interviewee to implement a strcpy function in C

the interviewee made something like for(i = 0; (*output[i] = *input[i]); i++)

[sharp geyser]

hey man, the twitch Software and Game Development tab is popping off

[quartz kindle]

and the interviewer wasnt satisfied, they wanted something even more compact

[sharp geyser]

Nope, I accidentally paused on a twitch streamer and got hit with ads AGAIN

twitch really hungry asf

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

im sorry

how do you get more compact than that

[quartz kindle]

while(*output++ = *input++) {}

lmao

C shenanigans

[sharp geyser]

isnt that...an inf loop?

[quartz kindle]

no because C strings are null terminated, so at some point it will reach a null character, which will resolve to false

[sharp geyser]

or would it go on until it reaches the end of a string

since C doesn't have strings

they have char * right?

[quartz kindle]

ye

[sharp geyser]

makes sense

[quartz kindle]

but the actual interesting part is

[sharp geyser]

damn I actually know something thats correct for once

[quartz kindle]

30 years later, the guy who was the interviewee at the time revisited it, and actually checked the compiler output

and it turns out the for version is faster

huehuehueheu

[sharp geyser]

lmao

honestly I wanted to learn C

but like

I know no one who knows C

so I can't fact check myself

😭

[quartz kindle]

ask brain

[sharp geyser]

Does brain know C?

I mean ig c++ is an abstraction of C

but