development

[wheat mesa]

(Probably not the place to put this but nobody is here anyways so w/e)

[sharp geyser]

Your gambling is not based on real probability

Ask waffle to give you the math on it

He loves statistics

[sharp geyser]

Right?

[wheat mesa]

I mean this is the one part of stats that isn't absolute dogshit

[glass acorn]

True meaning: he loves the casino

[wheat mesa]

It's fake currency so chances are it's probably actually not favored poorly

[sharp geyser]

Casinos better watch out for waffle

He’ll empty em out

[wheat mesa]

If it was real currency the expected value of your winnings is always in the negative

[glass acorn]

It chooses 2 random numbers

From 1-10

If you get the bad number

[wheat mesa]

Because if casinos have a game that is constantly in their favor, they may lose in the short term, but will always win in the long term

[glass acorn]

Exactly why I'm not cheating my players out yet, because then I can sort out the real gambling... 😈

[wheat mesa]

There are some games where you can win based on some skill like poker or blackjack but at the end of the day there is always a predetermined probability at each game state

So you randomly choose 2 (unique?) numbers between 1-10 and your player guesses a number and hopes that it's not one of those two

What kind of return is that?

Are you just 2x'ing? If so, people will get bored quickly because they will make way more money than they lose

To keep a game fun, you can't just win with no effort

You have to do the math here to keep the stakes high

[glass acorn]

Randomly generated in between 1-10.

[glass acorn]

They aren't ready for what's next.

🤫

[wheat mesa]

All I'm saying is that your game it's cool and all but if you intend it to have replayable value, giving 2x for a 4/5 chance of winning (assuming the losing numbers are unique), people are going to abuse it to make a lot of money

A "fair" game would be to pick 5 unique random losing numbers between 1-10 and give a 2x return

[real rose]

@sullen crater getting shown up

[frosty gale]

theres your gambling game

in a nutshell

[eternal osprey]

hey guys

i am looking into creating my own algorithm for compression for some reason

just doing some side tasks in life ig

so this was my idea:

what did i do

[frosty gale]

You've attempted to share potentially unsafe content, which has therefore been blocked.

[eternal osprey]

well no shit i can read

but why

how tf is this not safe

is it cuz of the bitstring?

[frosty gale]

we shall investigate

yeah i have no idea

some word probably has a bad word in it

[eternal osprey]

yeah they just don't like me

anywys, would my idea work?

[frosty gale]

yes youve effectively recreated run length encoding which looks for duplicates in data and prefixes it with a number to repeat with

but your idea of converting it to bits wont actually save any space

you should interpret it on a byte level

[sullen crater]

give me your money

[real rose]

Hello money, I'm roosa

[sullen crater]

not much whats dog

with you

[eternal osprey]

owh damn i thought i was being smart for a moment 😭

[eternal osprey]

really? How would that work though?

[frosty gale]

if youre storing each part of the file as bits you still have to likely store the data in bytes so youve effectively made a single bit use 8x the space

it gets a little tricky doing it in bytes since you have to distinguish the data in the file from actual data of the file and your compression algorithms repeat characters

[eternal osprey]

i can use byte reconstruction, where i paste the bits together to fill the data?

I've done that in the past when working with mutexes for my OS course

[frosty gale]

sure but you wont save any space doing that

you cant really deal with bits in a byte world

memory addresses and storage minimum unit is usually a single byte so 8 bits

you can of course in theory compress and reduce things on a bit level but in practice youll end up using more storage

and that kinda defeats the point of a compression algorithm

[eternal osprey]

you are right.

Damn

but on byte level, how can i ever reduce it?
like suppose i have 11111110 00000001
then i can read the bytes consecutively and increase the prefix number till i encounter a character that is not the same as the previous for example?

owh wait yeah that should work

[frosty gale]

what run length encoding does is literally do what you did with the bits

looks for the same consecutive bytes and puts a prefix with the number of them in a row to expand them

but you cant do it for all bytes in the file because youll likely end up using more space also

youd likely have to have some sort of header at the start of the data/file which indicates the locations of prefixes and data that has to be expanded

you cant really add a magic number at the start of the bytes to be expanded because what if the data happens to be the magic number

unless youre certain that number will never appear in the data which in that case can save a bit of space

[eternal osprey]

hmm i see, i will have to investigate more about this. But pretty sure i want to implement it for fun starting today.

thanks for all the help Chloe! I will @ you if i run into problems.

[frosty gale]

sure, i'd also recommend experimenting with different variations and ways of doing it

maybe even instead of every consecutive byte its every byte after it thats a duplicate

[lyric mountain]

it contains big numbers

[lyric mountain]

don't remember if it was you before, but what you're doing is basically reinventing deflate compress algorithm

it's fairly good for text, but really bad for anything else since long chains of repeated bits become very rare

[surreal sage]

imagine finding a cve worthy bug/exploit and waiting for new year's eve to end so you can get the first assigned id 🗿

[lyric mountain]

someone at 31/12 23:59 - finds that bug/exploit and reports it

[lament rock]

Depends on the use case I'd say. Syncing the threads is a bit of overhead. Could make the operation async by only having an owner thread update entries and you just send an update op from one thread to another

Unless the results need to be immediate

[wheat mesa]

Multithreading is painful, especially in Java. You can overcomplicate it pretty easily, it really depends on your use case

[wheat mesa]

I would probably go with this as well unless you can’t for whatever reason

Probably don’t need a mutex, just use a standard lock

[radiant kraken]

@quartz kindle

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

new ConcurrentHashMap<>()

same performance, slightly higher memory usage

that loses pretty much all of hashmap's upsides

[frosty gale]

i assume its slow

oh i see

probably because you cant do normal keys

[lyric mountain]

but well, you could extend concurrenthashmap and use equals instead of hash for comparison

[lyric mountain]

identity hashmap uses equals instead of hash for finding keys

[frosty gale]

is that even a hashmap then

its just a map

[lyric mountain]

so you could for example use a completely unrelated class to retrieve a value as long as both are equal

it probably stores entries under a hashtable

but for obvious reasons it isn't O(1) for retrieval

synchronizing the map would be the same as not using concurrency at all, since you force all threads to wait their turn to use the map

volatile doesn't work for this

the issue is that the map cannot manipulate the hash table when 2 or more threads are trying to add stuff at the same time

do note tho, you will lose a lot of performance by not using hashes for retrieval

it'll go from O(1) to O(n)

why do you even need an identity map btw?

ok but this doesn't need an identity map still

any specific reason to use equals instead of hashcode?

why not?

like, the only case where an identity map would be needed would be smth like this: ```java
class A {
int someKey = 1;

@Override
public boolean equals(Object other) {
return someKey == ((B) other).someKey;
}
}

class B {
int someKey = 1;

@Override
public boolean equals(Object other) {
return someKey == ((A) other).someKey;
}
}

var a = new A();
var b = new B();
var map = new HashMap<A, Object>();

map.put(a, 123);
System.out.println(map.get(b)); // wont find, as classes are different

simplified it for simplicity's sake

with a regular hashmap this would never work because both classes aren't the same type

they use hashcodes

all classes have a public int hashcode() implementation, hashmaps store entries by class and then by hashcode (which is why the above example fails)

it wont collide unless you have an ungodly amount of entries

and at that point you need to ponder whether there isn't a better way of doing whatever you're doing

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20720063/java-hash-collision-probability

actually, I need to correct myself, I pretty much confused IdentityHashMap with another different Apache implementation

dont remember the name of it, but apache's impl is the one that solely relies on equals, java's std identityhashmap is a different thing entirely

https://www.baeldung.com/java-identityhashmap

ihm (identityhashmap) ignores equals/hashcode entirely

it uses the pure version of them, which compares references themselves, not their values, and as such is faster

sync map is better if you can afford putting the threads in a queue for writing to it

idk, try to measure loading time, maybe the different is small enough

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, so to authorize actions users will do on my site, i am basically saving the user_id on the client side together with email hash, password hash and username. Is this save? This is needed for my users to make actual actions to the database

i save it using localStorage btw

[frosty gale]

if youre saying that youre using that combination to authenticate users i'd say its okay but it would be considered unsafe

usually the industry practice is to have some kind of session token that the server ties to the user

then the user sends that session token to authenticate the user

if you want to store the users data on the client and have the server be able to see them you should use JWT's with a hmac

[eternal osprey]

i see

To be fair, users can only get to specific actions anyways if they are logged in ya know using the hash, so i think i should be good.

[quartz kindle]

no hashes should ever be stored client side

its always a session token or a jwt token

[eternal osprey]

so how can i do that then? Like, how can i keep track to what sessionId a user ID belongs?

Suppose a user is in the home page of the website, how can my site recognize this user using it's sessionid? keeping track of it in a database?

[quartz kindle]

when a user logs in, a session token is created and stored in your database and also in the client's cookies

in the database, the session token has an expiration date, and the user id

as well as other info like ip address and what not

[eternal osprey]

ahh i see. I already indeed created such a timestamp after which a user MUST login again to prevent some type of attacks. But indeed, after a login and or register i can create a sessionToken that links to a user ID in the database.

[frosty gale]

so you can threaten to dos the users if youre unhappy

[eternal osprey]

Instead of implementing a timer based approach i rather want to check the sessionid AND THE TIME IT after which theymust login again each action a user makes.

[sharp geyser]

I feel like I’ve went over this with you before

[quartz kindle]

exactly

[sharp geyser]

Better hurry up on that astronomy api tim or else

[eternal osprey]

i am just repeating what you told me

[sharp geyser]

I never told you to store hashes

[eternal osprey]

no i know

[quartz kindle]

@_@

[eternal osprey]

but checking the timestamp after each action

[sharp geyser]

I also never recommend such thing

I told you to do exactly what they said

Store a session token in the server and have the client compare

Or use jwt

That’s the only real way to do it now

JWT is meh though as they don’t rely on a server for confirmation and can’t be revoked/invalidated unless they naturally expire

I’d never recommend them for login persistence unless it absolutely needs to be stateless

[eternal osprey]

but hold on

can't i just save a user id that my system automatically assigns a user upon registration?

Like fuck it, a user id is not even that important right?

That way i can query my database based on that user id which is also the primary key for all tables.

or would that still be stupid and dumb and stupid?

[sharp geyser]

wdym

[eternal osprey]

okay look

[sharp geyser]

That’s how sessions work

[eternal osprey]

hollup i will show you sum

[sharp geyser]

You generate a session token, save it to the database alongside a user id (or anything unique to the user) and save that token to the client side to be sent over any subsequent requests

[eternal osprey]

omg aaron i love you so fuckig fucking much

what i have rn is:

user registers and queries database -> database will now register user, it will save a specific random 50-char length code as sessionID. This will be linked to a user id. Now i return that sessionid back. A user can now using the localstorage query shit using the sessionID, by checkin the database session table and retrieving the actual user id. Using that we can execute what the user wanted to do.

++ it expires after 24h after which you must login again

[sharp geyser]

That’s a typical way to do it yes

[eternal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-drake-gif-26307972

[sharp geyser]

All it is just comparing session ids

[eternal osprey]

frontend aint got shit on me lets go

[sharp geyser]

Also

Just to note

You are checking to see if the session is expired right?

If so don’t delete sessions when they expire

Just mark a field as it being expired

[sharp geyser]

gj

[eternal osprey]

yeah upon each action a user takes

i am not deleting the entry, only updating it.

That way i can keep track to which user a session belongs, even when it renews.

[sharp geyser]

That’s smart but also keep note of who uses the token after it’s been expired/revoked

A lot of people will bot requests using stolen tokens

As haku pointed out

[quartz kindle]

keep a separate table for session tokens, dont save them together with the user data

since one user can have multiple tokens (one for each device/browser)

[sharp geyser]

Also is it not smart to store the ip of the person logging in to compare with future requests?

[eternal osprey]

I do

[frosty gale]

its largely futile nowadays because most people have dynamic ips which change constantly

but you can still do things like country detection yeah

if you primarily log in from the usa and suddenly log in from spain there might be a problem

[quartz kindle]

why would there be a problem? people are rich, they travel around the world everyday

:^)

[sharp geyser]

Rather invalidate their credentials or send a notification than to risk that

Especially if you’re a high valued company

💀

[quartz kindle]

nah f u i dont want to have to relog every time i get out of a plane :^)

[frosty gale]

thats why these heuristics rarely work on their own but annoy the actual user

the attacker isnt really bothered by it all that much

minor obstacle if you can get that far

[sharp geyser]

Sucks to suck

I don’t travel around the world every day

[quartz kindle]

if youre homeless, just buy a house

duh

[sharp geyser]

Shit that’s revolutionary

Need to write a book about that

[lament rock]

Logging every word Tim says since hes an oracle

[frosty gale]

make a tim markov chain

in case he gets banned

then we can have him forever

scary thing is nowadays if you have the hardware you can make a very convincing LLM of someone

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[frosty gale]

it will talk exactly like them

[quartz kindle]

even more scary is using AI to impersonate/fake/forge accusations

even though for some things you dont even need to go that far

[frosty gale]

laws will probably get more strict on accepting images or videos as evidence to compensate

right now theyre in a state where they can be detected if you look close enough but thats fading very quickly

[quartz kindle]

its a double edged sword, will also be harder for actual evidence to be accepted

[frosty gale]

governments will probably instead try to limit LLMs and stop businesses from allowing people to do their own stuff with them but that wont work at all

[quartz kindle]

back then if you messed with the wrong people you'd get beaten up, today you get falsely accused of random shit and canceled to oblivion

all you need is a bunch of gullible people to parrot your accusations away and suddenly millions of people hate you and you have no idea why

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Oh boy sounds like the job for the internet alright

They’ll believe just about anything if it has drama behind it

They’ll pick a side and root for it without even knowing what’s going on

[quartz kindle]

ye

[frosty gale]

we are fucked

we truly are

ive already accepted it

[quartz kindle]

and once the damage is done, they pretend they didnt do anything wrong

[frosty gale]

people are also getting less intelligent statistically speaking as time goes on

so hardly going to be a next einstein if you think hes smart

[quartz kindle]

idiocracy coming up fast

:^)

[frosty gale]

this sets up society becoming a totalitarian state

soon what china is doing will become normal

considering everything thats happening combined

[sharp geyser]

What? That’s crazy bro never heard about it

[surreal sage]

america?

[sharp geyser]

This reminds me of a movie I saw a trailer for about this guy going to prison for being the smartest one on earth

It’s some dumb movie

But it speaks facts that’s how I feel like things are going 😭

[frosty gale]

wouldnt be surprised bc the smartest thing isnt necessarily the most popular thing

if people disagree youre kind of screwed

[sharp geyser]

That’s what I’m saying

[frosty gale]

a lot of people nowadays blindly follow social conventions and dont even step up and ask hey maybe theres more to this or xyz

[sharp geyser]

That’s why I disagree with everything the internet has become for the most part

[frosty gale]

einsteins initial observations and theories were heavily discredited by scientists and people at the time for example

apply that logic to anything

[sharp geyser]

Did you see the video of the guy turning plastic into fuel from a handmade machine

Bro barely looks 25

[frosty gale]

i have not

[sharp geyser]

It’s pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/live/f13mSO1gMH8?si=s0V6X2faTARfPY5U this guy

[quartz kindle]

being smart is a crime because its offensive to dumb people

its already happening

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[surreal sage]

https://astrid.email/u/chrome_FnEweZrRBM.gif

nice one google

should inserting a document with mongoose take this long?
(see difference between last 2 logs)

(empty collection.)

io write only goes to like 16 kb/s, no high usage

[sharp geyser]

Depends on what you’re doing in between

Also is that in ms?

[surreal sage]

yes

performance.now

21.49 - 19.24 = 2.25 sec insertion time

its just a simple schema with one default function calling nanoid

[sharp geyser]

What’s taking so long that it takes 20s just to validate

[surreal sage]

2s****

[sharp geyser]

20,000 ms is 20s

[surreal sage]

nono

only look at the differences

performance.now returns the time since process start in nanosec or whatever

validate takes 7 ms

checking (read collection) like 21ms

[sharp geyser]

Either way 2s isn’t terrible

[surreal sage]

it's an empty collection

empty database

new mongo instance

[sharp geyser]

Okay

And I have an empty pg table

And even with records it still takes 1-2s to finish creating

That’s where bulk of my endpoint time is

[surreal sage]

🫠

should've used redis fr

[sharp geyser]

[sullen crater]

Redis™️©️

[sharp geyser]

Redis isn’t all it’s made out to be

Especially not for lengthy storage

[surreal sage]

persistent by default

[sharp geyser]

Redis may persist records but they aren’t for lengthy storage

They are meant to expire

[surreal sage]

restart proof ig

[sharp geyser]

🤔

[surreal sage]

crash proof then

[sharp geyser]

I have no clue what you’re on about bro

[surreal sage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926217122038820944/1223690508476485702/shakeass.gif

[sharp geyser]

Right immaturity shows with this one

Can we never have a normal conversation in this fucking channel

[surreal sage]

silliness*

[frosty gale]

even my custom made database is faster than that

come on postgres devs

[sharp geyser]

It’s not even Postgres

He uses mongo

[frosty gale]

ah

that explains a lot then

[surreal sage]

i don like them weird sql cmds

they scare me

[sharp geyser]

Also pg is just a little bit slow sometimes

[real rose]

there's always one

battless, noob, etc

[sharp geyser]

At this point im convinced they are related

[frosty gale]

battleless is a gem

[real rose]

theyre the same account those 2

[sharp geyser]

Or ItsOkayBae

[frosty gale]

use object relational mapping drivers then

[sharp geyser]

Oh I know you guys just can’t prove it right?

[frosty gale]

though you can still use mongo its good enough

[surreal sage]

im not doing things on a scale

[sharp geyser]

Honestly I could probably drastically improve my speeds

[frosty gale]

so even so

[surreal sage]

no rapidly changing things

[sharp geyser]

But im in the prototyping phase so idrc rn

[frosty gale]

mongo is designed to run in production at scale anyways

probably by scaling horizontally on the atlas cloud and charging you 20x for that

[surreal sage]

scaling horizontally? i prefer diagonally

[real rose]

each time we brought it up they voided the topic 💀

plus noob hasnt been active since being called out

[sharp geyser]

Yes he has

[frosty gale]

who is this noob person

[real rose]

its been 10 days

[frosty gale]

oh this dude

[real rose]

not super active

[frosty gale]

i remember

[sharp geyser]

The chatgpt guy

[frosty gale]

that is definitely battleless

95% sure

[sharp geyser]

Oh ofc

If I remember correctly Battleless had the same pfp at one point

Not exactly a slam dunk but yknow

They act the same and had the same pfp

[real rose]

next time i see noob speakin

ill drop a bombshell

[frosty gale]

i have not seen a single productive message come out of battleless or this person

[sharp geyser]

Cause there is none

[surreal sage]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-liberty-500kg-bomb-meme-gif-9134761466947278637

[sharp geyser]

Do you remember ItsOkayBae

[real rose]

vaguely

[sharp geyser]

Precursor to Battleless

Same energy

[frosty gale]

i definitely feel the energy

its just something subconscious

you just feel it

him and battleless emit the same energy

[sharp geyser]

ong

[frosty gale]

@harsh aspen thin ice buddy

[sharp geyser]

Oh no he’s been summoned

Prepare for a 5 page ChatGPT essay on how he doesn’t know who this Battleless person is

[quartz kindle]

what the fuck

[surreal sage]

sry internet bit shitty

cant select most bottom requests bcuz that status bar is blocking

[sharp geyser]

Wait what didn’t even see that

💀

Bro working on dialup

[quartz kindle]

what in the actual heck takes 2 hours to load

[surreal sage]

dev tools just buggy

someone needs to fire up dev tools' dev tools

[sharp geyser]

Yea okay

[quartz kindle]

1gb in resources

[sharp geyser]

Your mom

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Okay time for me to head off

Joke made now I skidaddle

[surreal sage]

1.02 mbps coding

its js the same tab ive been working on the past 3-ish hours

(live reload)

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lament rock]

What are you trying to store and is your app on the same machine as the pg db?

[sharp geyser]

Yea and it varies

Mostly uuid and strings

[lament rock]

Something is up then if it takes 2 seconds

[sharp geyser]

Yea no sure I’ll do further testing later

[sharp geyser]

No way you scrolled to post that

[harsh aspen]

that is not worth the ping I think

[stark abyss]

i am sick of coding. Cs field not worth it anymore. No money, no women, no respect only grinding ):

[radiant kraken]

dont have too high expectations

[stark abyss]

didnt have any.. just did coding in highscool as a hobby n then in college decided to pursue cs bc i liked it

i like coding dont like theory or math

i think i just contradicted myself

[radiant kraken]

yeah sadly that's a problem for most new CS students

CS is often a lot of theory, unless the curriculum proves otherwise

[stark abyss]

yeah

[molten reef]

Yey i have my green role

[stark abyss]

yeah i also had my green role for years, and havent coded a discord bot since sophmore year of highschool so

[molten reef]

Yey you too have green role

[stark abyss]

discord api went full crazy and it was time consuming to keep updatinng the bot

[lament rock]

The api didn't change too terribly much. Libraries like discord.js like to change a lot for some reason

[stark abyss]

yeah i meant discord.js specifically

but discord too the whole thing with removing bot perms to secure privacy & buttons, dropdown and so much more

[eternal osprey]

I really want to thank everyone for helping me on my coding journey in here. Everyone’s been great with explaining and pushing me to do stuff out of my comfort zone. I remember asking to be spoonfed code, and now I have somewhat mastered Haskell, Java, js, (bootstrap, html, css not really code but still in my stack), c++, Python.

[spark flint]

postgres question time again

so theoretically if i had 890 million database records, how would I make querying them fast? atm it takes just over a minute to query the count and 1-2 minutes to query any field

vm specs

i used https://pgtune.leopard.in.ua/ which sped up the query a bit but im still struggling to query fast enough

[lament rock]

Are you using any pkeys or b-trees?

[spark flint]

i dont think so

some example queries i do are:

SELECT * FROM data WHERE addresses @> $1 ORDER BY timestamp DESC
SELECT * FROM data WHERE domain LIKE $1
SELECT * FROM data ORDER BY timestamp DESC LIMIT 1```

id
domain
addresses (array)
rcode
hostname
subdomain
ns (array)
timestamp

[lament rock]

Hm. LIKE is pretty tough

[spark flint]

[lament rock]

I'm not too sure. I've only dealt with predictable conditions so you can easily make a b-tree on a specific column

[spark flint]

i could do a full text search index

and query using that instead

since LIKE doesn't work with FTS

[radiant kraken]

what does @> do

[spark flint]

array contains

[quartz kindle]

for the first query, i would have a separate table for address+id and index the address

for the third query, try using the MAX() function instead:
SELECT * FROM data WHERE timestamp = (SELECT MAX(timestamp) FROM DATA)

for the second query, try using a trigam index, although it only works with minimum 3+ character queries, but it supports both LIKE and ILIKE queries

there are a lot of other techniques for fast text-queries depending on the type and format of strings you store

for example check the last answer to this question for something specific to domains: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59500932/how-to-index-variable-character-column-for-pattern-matching-in-postgres

it also shows how you can use a GIN index to speed up your first query

[frosty gale]

this discussion is encouraging me to work on my project

[limpid rain]

Hi

[radiant kraken]

mhm

[wheat mesa]

JNI is a PAIN

Have fun

You’ll probably spend more time debugging your Java JNI stuff than you will working on the actual rust part lmao

[lyric mountain]

they made it better on newer versions, tho jdk 22 onwards

https://openjdk.org/jeps/454

try groovy

[lyric mountain]

regarding this, it's actually a good thing to also add to my name lookup, but I've got a lil question: "actual total time" is supposed to be in seconds right?

I created a gin index on my materialized view, currently comparing fuzzy search options to see which one performs better

levenshtein dist is the one that got the best actual total time atm

why

[lyric mountain]

nvm this, raw mode returns a simpler view of the results

and when did you see a groovy codebase?

ps: build.gradle isn't groovy code, it's just declarations and settings

I'm 120% sure it either wasn't groovy or they didn't know how to use it

saying that it looked like java is why, especially saying prehistoric java

I've used java 1.4 before, trust me

[radiant kraken]

it's not lmao

took me about a day to get used to jni

JNI binaries are essentially just dll files

[wheat mesa]

Yes but you’re assuming that the binary you’re using doesn’t have issues

[radiant kraken]

like what?

[wheat mesa]

If you’re writing your own DLL, you’ll probably be doing a lot of debugging unless you’re not doing something complex

I’m not sure how it works with Rust but I know running into segfaults with C++ DLLs fucking sucks

[radiant kraken]

well if you're using Rust the library does most of the heavy lifting for you

while you also get Rust's safety features

[surreal sage]

crazy how gen digital (owner of norton and avast) also owns ccleaner

very interesting

[pale vessel]

malware

[radiant kraken]

true

[surreal sage]

malwarebytes better though

[radiant kraken]

windows defender is good enough

[surreal sage]

disabled that shit

at least i want to

it no no let

shit uses too much of my system for no reason when its enabled

[radiant kraken]

yeah especially you own a low end pc

[surreal sage]

(this happened with a mid-end)

im not in fckn switzerland

first ireland then switzerland 😭

[quartz kindle]

demanding websites to comply with every single country's regulations just because some people from there access your website

its the stupidest thing ever

oh man people from north korea are viewing my website, i better change my website to cater to their demands

[lyric mountain]

imagine needing an antivirus ☕

[spark flint]

index time

[lyric mountain]

the hell you're making a regex index

[spark flint]

https://react.dev/?uwu=true

[lyric mountain]

nah, more like linux is too decentralized to be able to make viruses for

windows is easy cuz there's only one windows

[spark flint]

also clamav is good

[quartz kindle]

thats pretty much what the whole xz attack tried to do

[spark flint]

i dont think it actually affected anyone iirc?

cuz of smth stupid like bad code which errored

https://tenor.com/view/bfb-bfdi-bfb-four-bfdi-four-four-gif-14449641511072957894

[surreal sage]

there's no difference!!!

[spark flint]

smh

look at the logo

[radiant kraken]

the fact that the page's texts isn't uwuified is a sin

[spark flint]

fr

[surreal sage]

nvm it sets to local storage

mb

[radiant kraken]

Reawct is the librawry fowr web awnd nawtive uwuser interfawces. Buwuild uwuser interfawces owuwut owf individuwuawl pieces cawlled cowmpownents written in JawvawScript. Reawct is designed tow let yowuwu seawmlessly cowmbine cowmpownents written by independent peowple, teawms, awnd owrgawnizawtiowns.

[quartz kindle]

it failed only because it was detected unexpectedly early by accident

in its current state, it would only affect very specific builds and distros, presumably for testing

but since it piggybacked on a library that builds for a shit ton of distros, it could easily spread to other builds later on

[surreal sage]

too much of a change for the site

[radiant kraken]

time to make a linux malware that installs windows

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[surreal sage]

my autism doesnt like that there arent any new lines here

and unnecessary curly brackets...

[spark flint]

i add new lines all the time

[surreal sage]

code that belongs together together, seperate else

[radiant kraken]

use coffeescript

[surreal sage]

i mean like

for (let i = 0; i < 10; i++)
    if (something)
        console.log("stuff")```

[radiant kraken]

C doesn't really like it if you do that

sometimes it throws a compile error

[surreal sage]

js just better

[radiant kraken]

frfr C is js but better

oh wait i read that wrong

[surreal sage]

js is good for what it can

[quartz kindle]

ew

yo guys check this out

https://logstalgia.io/

[surreal sage]

ip grab

[spark flint]

nearly 30m later and its still indexing

tbf mongodb index was fast af

this is 890 million records and like 15% of a 1.5tb ssd

[surreal sage]

https://tenor.com/view/kewl-eric-cartman-south-park-s7e6-lil-crime-stoppers-gif-22098575

[quartz kindle]

thats why indexes are supposed to be created before adding data

hue

[radiant kraken]

typescript is actually pretty good

and ESM node.js

[spark flint]

lol fairs

[surreal sage]

esm everything

commonjs outdated now

[radiant kraken]

also

where is C

smh

[surreal sage]

i love the letter c

its the 3rd in the alphabet

so close to the 1st

so cool

[quartz kindle]

what about nim, julia, crystal, zig, D

[silver jackal]

so guys my bot is hosted on vps and uses a sql file to store databases

[radiant kraken]

dunno about all of them

what about c#

its really good

its literally java

😭

yeah because it loves u

[quartz kindle]

is that a question or?

[silver jackal]

is that good or bad

because what if alot people use a command tha changes their user varianle

[surreal sage]

gotta love watching all my 502 and 304 errors

[silver jackal]

variable like adds money to their account

it also has transcation

[surreal sage]

and random ips tryna find vulnerabilities

[quartz kindle]

by sql file i assume you mean you're using SQLite

sqlite is a very powerful database, it can easily handle thousands of operations per second, as long as its configured correctly

[radiant kraken]

what about postgres

[quartz kindle]

same thing pretty much

[radiant kraken]

so which is better

[sharp geyser]

Okay but that’s like impossible to compare

[radiant kraken]

@sharp geyser good morning!!

[sharp geyser]

At that point it comes down to your use case

SQLite is a disk oriented database, whereas Postgres is a cloud database which requires a server running

[radiant kraken]

ah i see

[surreal sage]

postgres for scalability

[sharp geyser]

Sqlite is limited to read/write speeds of the disk and Postgres has no such limits other than tls connection limits

[surreal sage]

sqlite for anything else

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[sharp geyser]

Not to mention because of how SQLite is, the data types it supports is also rather limited where it only supports the basics

[radiant kraken]

does postgres store data in the cloud the same way as mongodb?

[sharp geyser]

Like you won’t get any relational tables from it, which to most is fine but it is also annoying for anything large scale where you want to be able to tie data to each other

[surreal sage]

mongo can be selfhosted

[sharp geyser]

So can Postgres?

[surreal sage]

p sure

[quartz kindle]

i mean, "cloud" is not really the correct term, as you will most likely run pgsql yourself in some vps

not hire a managed service

[surreal sage]

cloud is by a 3rd party like mongo atlas

yes

[sharp geyser]

I mean it’s still in the cloud

Just in a private vps

[quartz kindle]

so is sqlite by that logic

:^)

[surreal sage]

[sharp geyser]

Astrid you have no opinion once you stated you were going to use redis as a database

[surreal sage]

i was asking abt it

havent even used it

ever

[lyric mountain]

you can tie tables to eachother on sqlite

[radiant kraken]

redis is literally just const database = {}

[lyric mountain]

I mean, that's the whole point of sql

[sharp geyser]

Not in the same was as a conventional relation database

SQLite is limited in that regard

[lyric mountain]

what's the diff?

[surreal sage]

need me a kv http db that is not couchdb

[quartz kindle]

nothing wrong with that tbh

[sharp geyser]

Pretty sure SQLite doesn’t support join statements

[lyric mountain]

it does

[quartz kindle]

it does lol

[sharp geyser]

Oh does it?

Cool

[lyric mountain]

yes, that's the point of sql

[quartz kindle]

sqlite supports 99% of the sql language

with minor differences

[sharp geyser]

Then I was wrong :^)

Either way, SQLite is still limiting on scale

So anything big I would never use it for

[radiant kraken]

because its lite :^)

[quartz kindle]

according to the better-sqlite3 author, there are 3 cases where using sqlite is not recommeended:

If you expect a high volume of concurrent reads each returning many megabytes of data (i.e., videos)
If you expect a high volume of concurrent writes (i.e., a social media site)
If your database's size is near the terabyte range

[lyric mountain]

on the opposite side, if your database size is near a terabyte, you need to rethink whether you really need to store all that data

[quartz kindle]

likely

[sharp geyser]

unless you just serve that many users

[surreal sage]

If your database's size is near the terabyte range
scaling on raid required right there

[quartz kindle]

SQLite3 is very very fast. With proper indexing, we've been able to achieve upward of 2000 queries per second with 5-way-joins in a 60 GB database, where each query was handling 5–50 kilobytes of real data.

[lyric mountain]

the only thing I miss on sqlite is that you cant make functions

[quartz kindle]

our*sql

[lyric mountain]

it has to be implemented through external means

[deft wolf]

Our

[lyric mountain]

https://github.com/Gelembjuk/oursql

[quartz kindle]

many sqlite libs implement that for you

better-sqlite3 does

[lyric mountain]

yes, I mean raw sqlite

[quartz kindle]

ye

[sharp geyser]

I love Cassandra

[lyric mountain]

cassandra classic

[sharp geyser]

Never met her before but she sounds nice

[quartz kindle]

sqlite+lmdb > pgsql+redis

:^)

[sharp geyser]

Disagree

Your opinion invalid cause I say so

[lyric mountain]

pgsql + caffeine = s p e e d

[sharp geyser]

Honestly

What’s the point of Cassandra

I know discord swapped to it

[lyric mountain]

to send raids to your colony /j

[sharp geyser]

Well I figured that much

But how is it different from the other dbs

Everything is better than mongodb

[silver jackal]

wait so i don't have to worry about it?

like if 5 people do /work command in one second

[lyric mountain]

that's the expected speed if you do worry about it

but yes, 5 people is nothing

even with the worst possible database setup it'd still be far from the bottleneck

[silver jackal]

Oh so i don't have to worry because i don't think i will ever get 5 people at one time

bruh why did two people said nah bro is using sql file for databases

in different server

When its good

[lyric mountain]

well, it's all relative

[silver jackal]

also i use vps

One of the great

[lyric mountain]

sqlite is good but if you have too many writes per second you might start noticing performance issues

[quartz kindle]

yeah 5 people is nothing, most sql queries literally take 0.1ms

as long as its correctly indexed

and WAL mode is enabled

also helps to disable sync

[silver jackal]

I have some transcation

What is it

Like i open it and its a random string code

in it

[quartz kindle]

what is?

[silver jackal]

ye i found it in database folder

its called transcation

It says its used for sql

[quartz kindle]

dont you mean transaction?

[silver jackal]

yes

[quartz kindle]

transcation lol

[lyric mountain]

did you clone some project?

[silver jackal]

No

Its my project

i don't clone trash bots

[lyric mountain]

why is there a file you dont know about then?

[quartz kindle]

transactions are used to batch queries together

[silver jackal]

yes that

i got it with sql

[radiant kraken]

cassandra is a girl?

[silver jackal]

i also have 3 more folders

in databases

[sharp geyser]

It was a joke

[quartz kindle]

which library are you using for sqlite?

[sharp geyser]

Cassandra is a database

[silver jackal]

aoi.js

[radiant kraken]

never knew libraries can have pronouns

[quartz kindle]

does aoi.js have sqlite bundled with it?

[silver jackal]

yes

[sharp geyser]

It has a database wrapper

[silver jackal]

it comes with more stuff

[sharp geyser]

Let’s you connect to various dbs

[silver jackal]

that i don't know about

[sharp geyser]

SQLite being one of em

[silver jackal]

Oh

idk i want to make something i always dreamed

bot where you get a living creature for your population

idk how to explain it

[lyric mountain]

a tamagotchi

[silver jackal]

like usa population live count

but instead its a bot and you race to be first on leaderboard

[radiant kraken]

sqlx my beloved 🫶

[silver jackal]

i will stick with sql for now

i think it will work

also my bot in 2 servers

💀

[quartz kindle]

im looking at the aoi.js repos and cant find any reference to sqlite or dependencies to sqlite libs

[silver jackal]

you get when download

npm i aoi.js

[quartz kindle]

yes i am looking at aoi.js package.json

and there is no dependencies for sqlite

[silver jackal]

What

But how do i have it connected with aoi.js?

[lyric mountain]

aoi has wrappers no? not necessarily the database implementation itself

open your package.json and search for anything containing sqlite

[sharp geyser]

https://github.com/aoijs/aoi.js/blob/v6/src/classes/Database.js

It uses another lib

[quartz kindle]

i checked @akarui/aoi.db as well

no sqlite there

[sharp geyser]

hm

Idk then

[vivid fulcrum]

did anyone here dip their toes into 3D game development? it's been peaking my interest for a while, but I find it too intimidating to even begin. I've fiddled around with UE for a short period, it seems like a powerful engine but I generally always end up being lost in whatever I'm doing. visual scripting seems nice but I'm aiming to write actual code so I can have fine grain control

I'm looking for engine suggestions for a first timer, heard about godot. if anyone has personal experience with game dev, I'm all ears

[silver jackal]

idk its called .sql file

[sharp geyser]

All I know is it allows you to connect to various dbs from my research

[lyric mountain]

I did, kinda

[silver jackal]

really?

[lyric mountain]

I really dont recommend UE as a starting engine, it's powerful and fancy yes, but REALLY hard to get the hang of

[silver jackal]

so like aoi.js

[lyric mountain]

also it's heavy af

[vivid fulcrum]

yeah, the interface is intimidating too. it's totally out of my comfort zone so I'm having trouble picking it up

[sharp geyser]

If you know C++ go for Unreal, its learning curve is steeper but once you get the hang of it, it’s very powerful. You can use blueprints or you can use their scripting api with c++ files.

[vivid fulcrum]

or you can use their scripting api with c++ files.
didn't know that, so you can mix&match cpp and blueprints?

[sharp geyser]

Unreal is a "industry" grade engine as some would call it. Unity is also popular but it’s in hot water right now unless they’ve fixed their problems

[lyric mountain]

I recommend trying godot as a start, it supports gdscript (python-like), c# and c++ so you can raise the ceiling if you prefer lower levels

and the engine is a few hundred mbs

[sharp geyser]

You can use both in the same project technically

[surreal sage]

javascriptless ahh bot library

[wheat mesa]

Godot is awesome for beginners. Unreal is very difficult to get the hang of, not to mention it’s very big in size

[silver jackal]

i didn't even know aoi.js would work perfectly with vps just like @timber hatch told me

[wheat mesa]

Godot is a few hundred mb and opens super quick. Runs on basically anything

[sharp geyser]

I only recommend unreal if you’re serious about game dev tho

Otherwise don’t bother

[silver jackal]

my pc doesn't even support godot 💀

[surreal sage]

just make your own graphics engine smh

[sharp geyser]

Astrid we are trying to give good advice

[lyric mountain]

that's very hard to achieve

[sharp geyser]

Shut up

[surreal sage]

i love you more

[wheat mesa]

Honestly if you want to make your own game and it’s not something you want to get out quickly, make your own engine for it

It’s not that hard and you just add things as you go

[sharp geyser]

Depending on the game sure

[wheat mesa]

Teaches you a lot

[vivid fulcrum]

godot seems like a match then. I am looking to get serious with game development as it's kind of the next milestone in my career, but I'd rather pick it up on my own terms

[sharp geyser]

Imagine implementing multiplayer

[surreal sage]

real

[wheat mesa]

Multiplayer really isn’t super complex

[silver jackal]

Geometry dash 💀

[silver jackal]

ask robtop that

you need whole team bruh...

[sharp geyser]

Godot is a good engine as well, it’s grown over the years

[surreal sage]

3d in 2d game = gd

[wheat mesa]

I mean the idea is your client sends info to the server, the server sends info to another client

[sharp geyser]

Idk how it’s 3D space is but it’s 2D is definitely well developed

[silver jackal]

lmao

[wheat mesa]

Or if you don’t really care about cheating you can do peer to peer

[silver jackal]

yes gd is for no lifers

[surreal sage]

said by a gd player

[sharp geyser]

I’d still let a professional engine handle multiplayer for me

[lyric mountain]

yep, it's not like you were going to make a best-seller right from the start, it's not worth the productivity loss over going with something more familiar

[silver jackal]

i don't play it i just check what cool levels community made @surreal sage

[surreal sage]

discord added a reply feature u can use btw :3

[lyric mountain]

I often saw people on gamedev subreddit who started on UE just because big games are made on it

[sharp geyser]

I’d definitely check out unreal at least once in your game dev career once you get used to game development though

[lyric mountain]

then a few weeks later they gave up because UE doesn't care for your feelings

[sharp geyser]

Its combination of blueprints and c++ is powerful

Some games even use exclusively blueprints

[lyric mountain]

starting with a simpler engine does help building skills till u reach the more complex engines

[wheat mesa]

I learned a ton from making my own mini engine, 10/10 would recommend if you have the time

[surreal sage]

in js with canvas 🗿

[sharp geyser]

Im still waiting on WaffleEngine v2

I want to make a game

[lyric mountain]

also gamedev will require skills in 4 different areas, the lower stress will help developing them

that is, coding, 3d modelling, audio and image editing

[sharp geyser]

Modeling, sfx, coding and one other

Other than coding they are the bane of my existence when I was doing game dev

[vivid fulcrum]

that's what I'm aiming for 🫡 UE's been peaking my interest ever since nanite was announced

in reality I know the first couple of projects will be rough, aiming for beautiful visual storytelling regardless of the engine though

[lyric mountain]

image part is becoming pretty good with introduction of stable diffusion

and modelling is also becoming easier for coders because blender's geometric nodes

[sharp geyser]

UE if you don’t value your sanity, godot if you value your sanity and want to build good practices

[lyric mountain]

oh, right, I forgot about it - 5 different areas then

[sharp geyser]

I assumed you already had game dev experience (because you picked UE)

[lyric mountain]

I forgot storytelling

[sharp geyser]

So I recommended UE

But if you have none go for a lower risk engine like godot

It’s more user friendly

[vivid fulcrum]

i've used it for a really small amount of time, just tried fiddling around with the default project templates

[sharp geyser]

As for the reasons we’ll haku and waffle already end preached that part

[sharp geyser]

I’ve used UE off and on now, it’s a massive engine

It’s learning curve is STEEP because of what it offers

[vivid fulcrum]

godot it is for now, I hope I'll check back in here every once and a while to show off my monstrosities

[lyric mountain]

only thing about godot, I do recommend using an external editor

for code, that is

their own editor is a bit too basic

[vivid fulcrum]

yeah I use rider for everything c# related anyway, I sold my soul to jetbrains

[lyric mountain]

rider does have official integration to it

and I mean like, truly direct integration

you just need to disable the built-in editor and set rider as external tool and ur good to go

[eternal osprey]

hey guys how can i portect against bruteforce attacks?

this is the only thing i haven't implemented yet.

[lyric mountain]

for the site?

[eternal osprey]

yuhh

[lyric mountain]

ratelimits or captcha

it's hard to bruteforce when you can only do it 5 times per min

[wheat mesa]

(Server side ratelimits, client side can always be bypassed)

[lyric mountain]

also enforce strong passwords

[sharp geyser]

require them to use hashes as passwords

😎

[sharp geyser]

If you keep hashing a hash the hash grows into a stronger hash

:D

[tawny lava]

wait u might've just solved security

[sharp geyser]

I know I’m a genius

[spark flint]

db still indexxing 2 hours later

[sharp geyser]

pfft nah

[spark flint]

yep!

[sharp geyser]

Oh

[spark flint]

i mean indexxing 890 million records will take time understandably

[sharp geyser]

You’re db is still indexing

[spark flint]

yes

[sharp geyser]

I thought you meant my hash hash hash hash db

[lyric mountain]

gin is 3x slower than gist for generating indexes

you better leave that overnight

[sharp geyser]

Well you’re not wrong

Gin will make you want to sleep

[spark flint]

😭

[lyric mountain]

btw, shouldn't u be using the trigram thing?

[spark flint]

idk 😭

i dont use postgres enough

i am a mongo person

but i was persuaded to use postgres for this

[sharp geyser]

Also what’s the proper steps to setting up a vps to be secure

[sharp geyser]

HUH

[spark flint]

ssh key auth, maybe IP whitelisting?

[spark flint]

live laugh mongo <3

[sharp geyser]

bun uses mongo

[spark flint]

yes

for years

[lyric mountain]

CREATE INDEX index_on_domain ON data USING GIN (domain gin_trgm_ops)

which is what tim mentioned earlier

[sharp geyser]

What da heck is gin and create index

[spark flint]

ERROR: operator class "gin_trgm_ops" does not exist for access method "gin"

[sharp geyser]

I’ve used pg for years but never ran into it

[lyric mountain]

u need to enable pg_trgm

[spark flint]

ah

[lyric mountain]

CREATE EXTENSION pg_trgm

[sharp geyser]

Invalid syntax

Missing ;

[spark flint]

smh

[lyric mountain]

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/textsearch-indexes.html

[spark flint]

cancelled old index

[sharp geyser]

I’d read that but quite frankly

I’m too lazy rn

[lyric mountain]

tldr, they're to make text indexing faster

[sharp geyser]

I’m still getting over the feeling of being sick

[spark flint]

ok making this index insdead

instead*

[lyric mountain]

if your data changes too much, or too many new rows are inserted all the time you might want to make a materialized view instead

or use gist, which is faster for updating indexes

[sharp geyser]

[lyric mountain]

materialized views are like a snapshot of whatever query u put inside

you can add indexes to them

but it requires refreshing to retrieve new changes

[sharp geyser]

hm, is there an easy way to manage all this?

@spark flint referring to you mention ssh keys and ip whitelisting

for some reason it didn't reply to your message

[spark flint]

i use termius for ssh if it involves keys

since you can set and generate ssh keys per host

[sharp geyser]

If the development team ever grows i'd like to be able to easily add or remove users to allow them to connect

[spark flint]

for IP whitelisting, only do this if you have a static IP or a VPN to connect

[sharp geyser]

but it's a process to add their pub key each time

[spark flint]

its not that hard iirc

[sharp geyser]

It'd require someone already connected to the vps

Which means they'd already need to be both sudo perms and have their ssh key on the server

As password auth will be disabled same with root login

Someone also recommended https://github.com/warp-tech/warpgate to give an additional layer of security

It can record ssh sessions, so anything you do during that session gets recorded

Though this seems overkill

Cool project tho

[green kestrel]

syslog can do this

[lyric mountain]

up-key, up-key, up-key, up-key, up-key, up-key, up-key, up-key

who needs a log

[frosty gale]

log4j

[sharp geyser]

Yea I think the entire point of warp is to make it easier to manage ssh sessions though

Which is meh tbh cause it’s not like it’s important for any small scale servers

But if you’re running a server that allows multiple people to connect to then I guess it’s a viable solution

Idk what it does entirely as I’ve only just learned about it a few days ago but it does a lot more than just recording sessions

[spark flint]

still indexxing

[green kestrel]

currently going into a deep dive of i18n

trying to make it nice as possible to maintain

so, i can define a command like this and just wrap it in the _() function

dpp::slashcommand bio_command::register_command(dpp::cluster& bot) {
    return _(dpp::slashcommand("bio", "Update player biography", bot.me.id)
        .set_dm_permission(true)
                .add_option(
            dpp::command_option(dpp::co_sub_command, "picture", "Set a custom profile picture")
            .add_option(dpp::command_option(dpp::co_attachment, "image", "Image to upload", true))
        )
                .add_option(
            dpp::command_option(dpp::co_sub_command, "text", "Set custom biography")
            .add_option(dpp::command_option(dpp::co_string, "biography", "Biography to set", true))
        )
    );
}

then, define my strings in my lang.json:

  "CMD_NAME_BIO": {
    "en": "bio"
  },
  "CMD_DESC_BIO": {
    "en": "Update player biography"
  },
  "CMD_OPT_NAME_BIO_PICTURE": {
    "en": "Set a custom profile picture"
  },
  "CMD_OPT_NAME_BIO_IMAGE": {
    "en": "Image to upload"
  },
  "CMD_OPT_NAME_BIO_TEXT": {
    "en": "Set custom biography"
  },
  "CMD_OPT_NAME_BIO_BIOGRAPHY": {
    "en": "Biography to set"
  }

if it works first time, i'll be shocked

[green kestrel]

i found a nicer way to do it 🙂

[warm imp]

I am in visual studio but when I get in it just says that my MODULE_NOT_FOUND. This is because my Visual Studio Code isn't finding my Node.js files. How do I change it in VSC so it can find it so i can start building my bot. It would mean alot if someone could help me.

I looked on Google for over 2 hours so I thought I would come here because most of you own bots

[quartz kindle]

that means you did not install the required dependencies

[warm imp]

How do I do that

[quartz kindle]

npm install

[warm imp]

In the node.js command?

[quartz kindle]

in the vsc terminal

[warm imp]

I can't

I can't use any of those commands in VSC

[quartz kindle]

why not

[warm imp]

Just says that message

[quartz kindle]

show the full error

[warm imp]

Ok

[warm imp]

I ain't on it but I can basically say it

[warm imp]

This is the exact error

But Not on my PC

[sharp geyser]

it can't find app.js

[warm surge]

Did you save your code to vscode

[quartz kindle]

you said you cant run npm commands but you can

[warm surge]

Sometimes it doesn’t autosave

[quartz kindle]

instead of node app.js you first run npm init

[warm imp]

I do

And it says that thing

[quartz kindle]

what thing

[warm surge]

I don’t see your package.json

[quartz kindle]

in your picture you dont have a package.json

package.json is created by running npm init

[warm imp]

In VSC

If so I can't

[quartz kindle]

in the same place you typed node app.js

[warm imp]

Everything with the word npm doesn't work

[quartz kindle]

why not

[warm imp]

I don't know

[quartz kindle]

show what happens

[warm imp]

Says that

I have done

[quartz kindle]

show full error please

[warm imp]

Npm install

Npm -v

[sharp geyser]

Just show the full error

[warm imp]

I ain't on my PC

But that is the full error

[sharp geyser]

then ask for help when you are

and no thats not the full error

that's part of the error

[warm imp]

Above that is just me typing Npm init -y

[sharp geyser]

We need to see the full stacktrace

doubtful

i've never seen npm init -y telling you module not found

[warm imp]

Wdym

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

above that is the path of the file that is the source of the error

thats what we need to see

[warm imp]

Well ig you did now

[sharp geyser]

tim correct m eif I am wrong, but npm init literally cant respond with that kind of error no?

[quartz kindle]

it can if the installation is borked

happened to me before

[sharp geyser]

ah

[quartz kindle]

usually reinstalling node fixes it

[sharp geyser]

ig i've never installed node incorrectly

or seen anyone who has

since its literally simple asf

[warm imp]

Just went on website and click download

And didn't work

[sharp geyser]

well ig if that error does happen when node is installed incorrectly ig try reinstalling node is a good first step, unless tim still wants to see the full error

[quartz kindle]

literally cannot help if dude is not at the pc to run the necessary tests

[warm imp]

Well the file that VSC is trying to find isn't a thing

[sharp geyser]

true enough

Sir, please request for more help once you are at your pc, there is nothing we can do for you otherwise :)

[warm imp]

I can tommorow.

Tim can I ping you tommorow

[sharp geyser]

you can just ask here

anyone who is available to help will help

[frosty gale]

what if no ones available

[frosty gale]

for my chat app im thinking of breaking a few normalisation rules and im not sure if its a good idea

so a message can of course have multiple images