maybe
#development
quartz kindle
radiant kraken
heaven for u
quartz kindle
too late now
i hate math tho
i was asked to produce some js exercices for students to solve
i made one where you have to decode a messagepack message in js
i wonder how many people managed to solve it :^)
its not hard, its just something very unusual for students, most of them are never taught how to work with binary in js
being a js student is like 99% express frameworks and web dev
tawny lava
illegal
radiant kraken
being a js student is like 99% express frameworks and web dev
i mean, js was designed for use in the web
when they think of js they think more of web development
quartz kindle
i mean, js was designed for use in the web
not anymore, js is now a trans language
it identifies as c++
its 2024
radiant kraken
C++ is okay, JavaScript is pretty cool
quartz kindle
js is a monstruous clusterfuck that managed to captivate the entire community
everybody loves js, even though its ugly and weird
and everyone wants to include it and befriend it
js is the average teenage school student anime protagonist
surreal sage
everybody loves js, even though its ugly and weird
and then there's python
ugly, weird and bad
maybe less ugly
quartz kindle
python is that one school bully that used to be the shit but became hated and forgotten
programming languages as anime character stereotypes
go
quartz kindle
tawny lava
where's rust
surreal sage
js is good for what it does
i wish there was a compiled lang that is really similar
go is kinda similar but doesn't feel the same at all
sharp geyser
make your own
surreal sage
make it in js?
surreal sage
yes, a lang similar to js made in js compiled by js
tawny lava
typescript?
surreal sage
compiled
tawny lava
yea
sharp geyser
I mean
technically ts isn't compiled
it's a form of compilation
but not true in of its word
tawny lava
I know it's technically "transpiled"
sharp geyser
TS transpiles down to JS
sharp geyser
I know it's technically "transpiled"
Well you aren't wrong to say its compiled either
transpiling is a form of compiling
its just a source to source compilation idk if I am wording this correctly
tawny lava
all I hear is nerd emoji whenever makes that distinction
sharp geyser
😭
this is why I can't talk about anything with you
uh
js was never the "single language for everything"
just nerds tried to make it adapt to that sterotype
and you saw how performant most of it was
💀
tensorflow in js? pfft
tawny lava
like I know how stuff works I just don't care enough about lil things that don't matter
sharp geyser
it does matter lizard
tawny lava
I don't think it matters if I say compiled or transpiled
sharp geyser
you just dont respect me enough and are always a hater when I speak about something that interests me
surreal sage
assembly
frosty gale
tensorflow in js? pfft
it runs like absolute poopoo in native js
it can do it but for meaningful performance you need the cpu/gpu bindings
the only thing the v8 engine actually cant optimise well enough
lyric mountain
like, if ur sending currency as cents, you really dont want decimals
sharp geyser
if I cast it to an int would that not remove the entire point of using floats?
Well
lyric mountain
because u dont have cent-cents
lyric mountain
if I cast it to an int would that not remove the entire point of using floats?
well, you dont really use floats for currency to begin with
sharp geyser
so on the frontend "$10,000.99" -> "10000.99"
lyric mountain
like, stripe is expecting the value in cents right? such that 10 would become 0.10
lyric mountain
so if you multiply by 100, you're converting from dollar to cents
sharp geyser
lyric mountain
so at this point the decimals (post conversion) make no sense at all
so just remove them
you cant have partial cents
lyric mountain
this would only be an issue if you allowed 3 decimals on the frontend
sharp geyser
As it stands right now, the price is sent as a string
lyric mountain
BUT precision issues happen, you really dont want to send stripe 1000.0000000000003
sharp geyser
then parsed into a float then back into a string to remove the . 
I am doing a lot of needless steps, but at the same time, I want to save the price in its dollar form
not cents
lyric mountain
parse the string as double, multiply by 100 (dollar -> cent) then cast down to int
10.50 should end up as 1050
10.505 should also end up as 1050
sharp geyser
so basically
let price = price.parse::<f64>().unwrap() * 100 as i64
yeah
sharp geyser
hm that could work
lyric mountain
but I really advise u to work with integers for anything related to currency
saves a lot of headache and eases up on calculations
sharp geyser
Should I save the price as its string rep then in the db?
lyric mountain
save as the integer rep
sharp geyser
cause rn its saved as a float
right
but thats going to be in cents
I mean I guess I can save it as cents
lyric mountain
if ur using postgres there's also CURRENCY datatype, which uses integer anyway but appears as float to you
lyric mountain
but it's not worth the hassle, just save the cents and divide by 100 when u want to show as dollars
lyric mountain
also i64 might be a bit too overkill unless ur handing billion dollars transactions
sharp geyser
😭
sharp geyser
also i64 might be a bit too overkill unless ur handing billion dollars transacti...
Maybe ;)
lyric mountain
actually, trillions
sharp geyser
💀
lyric mountain
what was i64 limit again?
lyric mountain
ah yes, 184,467,440,737,095,516.15 dollars
lyric mountain
will it cause any performant problems
not really, but you gain performance by using smaller datatypes
also occupy less space
as i32 uses 32 bits
i64 uses double that
sharp geyser
damnnnn
lyric mountain
double that if you use unsigned
sharp geyser
I hope to ever reach that much in sales let alone transactions on the platform
lyric mountain
a nice lookup table if u need
cant send as message cuz automod
oh, right, max value - 1 cuz 0 is a value too
sharp geyser
is the datatype currency or money in pg
lyric mountain
hm?
sharp geyser
there is no datatype currency
lyric mountain
lyric mountain
yes money
sharp geyser
or if I was on an outdated version
weird
I tell it to use money, but it still says its data type is float8
🤔
Is that on purpose?
oh wait there we go
Took a year to update
lyric mountain
I'd still recommend INT tho, no reason to use a much larger datatype
lyric mountain
but it's not worth the hassle, just save the cents and divide by 100 when u want...
^
sharp geyser
AH didn't see that
lyric mountain
just said that between floats and money it's better to use money for currency
rose warren
Has anyone used unleash for feature flags?
sharp geyser
huh
sharp geyser
Has anyone used unleash for feature flags?
wym
sharp geyser
@lyric mountain ty so much, now I have a better idea on how to handle this and it works wonders!
eternal osprey
let userdatabase = JSON.parse(
fs.readFileSync("./userdatabase.json", "utf8")
);
const currentMembers = interaction.guild.members.cache;
// Convert the user database object into an array
const userArray = Object.entries(userdatabase);
// Filter the user array to keep only the users who are in the server
const filteredUserArray = userArray.filter(([userId, userData]) =>
currentMembers.has(userId)
);
);
If a member is in the server, but not cached i get a problem as it will not include the user. Any way to cache all users beforehand or maybe a different property to check if a user is in the server?
timber hatch
```js
let userdatabase = JSON.parse(
fs.readFileSync("./userdatabase.jso...
first off. i'd recommend not using a json file as a database.
secondly i believe interaction.guild.members.fetch() will suffice. and then you can optionally choose whether to cache the results (i believe)
eternal osprey
first off. i'd recommend not using a json file as a database.
secondly i believe...
I know i am just using json as this is such a small scale bot
idgaf if my data fucks up
eternal osprey
first off. i'd recommend not using a json file as a database.
secondly i believe...
arigato, i got this:
interaction.guild.members.fetch().then(guildMembers => {```
shall do the job i think!!
lament rock
You could also listen to the GUILD_MEMBERS_CHUNK event
eternal osprey
You could also listen to the GUILD_MEMBERS_CHUNK event
how so?
lament rock
As fetching triggers that event
the ws emits that event when you call fetch though I think djs already accumulates the results from that. If there is a return value of a Collection of GuildMembers then just use that
simplifies things
I'd put a timer on how often you can call that function though
It bypasses cache iirc
Alternatively, just call it once on startup for each guild if you have the GUILD_MEMBERS intent
eternal osprey
hmm i see!
i can try it out and see how it turns out
thank you!
would anyone like to see my tcp packet parser in python 😭
i got like pretty far but there are some details that are still unclear to me
especially the lossy layer
quartz kindle
arigato, i got this:
```js
interaction.guild.members.fetch().then(guildMembers ...
if you keep a rough state on users who are and are not in the server, and only need to partially update it from a small list, you can do so on a user-by-user basis
for each user id, try to fetch the member with that id, if it fails, remove it from the list
if you absolutely need to fetch ALL members, then you need to have the relevant intents as well
lyric mountain
I know i am just using json as this is such a small scale bot
if it's a small scale bot then use sqlite or at least redis
json is never an option
sharp geyser
what about using discord channels?
quartz kindle
json is never an option
json is not a problem if you know how to use it
i used it at 2k guilds
huehuehue
timber hatch
quartz kindle
lmao
sharp geyser
you like to take the most wild situations
and make em somehow work for you
though tim, make a relational database using only discord channels ;)
quartz kindle
my methods are usually abnormal indeed
sharp geyser
Shouldn't be too hard
quartz kindle
though tim, make a relational database using only discord channels ;)
too many people already did that
quartz kindle
idk search github, there are dozens of repos about storing data in discord channels
quartz kindle
they even made it a cloud storage that shows up in windows as a network drive
sharp geyser
I knew about the repos for using discord channels
but I didnt think they'd make it relational
sharp geyser
they even made it a cloud storage that shows up in windows as a network drive
Wtf
How
💀
eternal osprey
if it's a small scale bot then use sqlite or at least redis
It’s my private bit
Bot
I don’t care about things failing
surreal sage
on a scale from 1 to 10 where 1 is the hardest
how easy is it to set up a redis instance
sharp geyser
but it can be
its stupid simple
there is guides on how to do it all over the place
So long as you aren't doing it on some unheard of os
surreal sage
tbh starting to use debian instead of ubuntu
2gb idle on fresh install isnt rlly my thing
quartz kindle
but can redis persist
redis is persistent by default afaik, you need to explicitly set expiration timers for keys not to persist
frosty gale
im pretty sure you can completely disable that in settings though
frosty gale
so keys arent stored on disk so reloading redis will clear everything
turns it into memcached
quartz kindle
gotta love unreadable/unintuitive variable names
quartz kindle
so keys arent stored on disk so reloading redis will clear everything
ah yes, make it memory only storage
surreal sage
gotta love unreadable/unintuitive variable names
its math in javascript
ofc unreadable var names
quartz kindle
its meth
frosty gale
or do a hack by making the redis data directory a symlink to /tmp
i do that with a lot of programs i dont want storing persistent data
surreal sage
🧌
quartz kindle
or do a hack by making the redis data directory a symlink to /tmp
lmao
place the sqlite file in /tmp
blazing fast database
quartz kindle
xD
frosty gale
amnesic
quartz kindle
@frosty galeever heard of skytable?
quartz kindle
apparently its a new nosql db written in rust that is 25x faster than redis
frosty gale
<@548556487308607504>ever heard of skytable?
i do now
what is this sql rip off
sql wants its copyright back
doesnt look bad though
sharp geyser
trying to become the next big thing eh
silver jackal
@sharp geyser
quartz kindle
trying to become the next big thing eh
always
sharp geyser
BRO STOP FUCKING PINGING ME
sharp geyser
Ask digital ocean
frosty gale
i always find relational databases to be outdated with the times when it comes to storing lists and slightly dynamic columns
times are changing
sharp geyser
Its not like I can fucking help you
frosty gale
i dont want to make a whole ass table for a field
sharp geyser
I don't work for them
quartz kindle
i always find relational databases to be outdated with the times when it comes t...
ye, but since data is a sensitive subject, people tend to go with the old tried and true methods, not a lot of people are willing to risk a brand new db
im happy with my offline stack tho, no tcp bullshit
sqlite db + lmdb cache :^)
frosty gale
yeah thats one of the drawbacks with a lot of these server databases
its mandatory TCP
you get unnecessary overhead
its not much but its still there
quartz kindle
yeah they are all designed as servers
sharp geyser
i dont want to make a whole ass table for a field
that is quite literally the point of a relational database???
frosty gale
yes thats why i dont like conventional relational databases all that much
sharp geyser
I mean, if you aren't making table relations its not relational at all
frosty gale
some data i feel is too insignificant to store in an entire table but not enough to store in a single static column
frosty gale
yeah they are all designed as servers
it would be interesting to see a database that allows you to load a shared library that interfaces directly with the database storage
but it would complicate some things like multiple clients
sharp geyser
I myself still use array lists in my pg database most of the time
frosty gale
although on the database end it becomes annoying storing these dynamic arrays and data types
because its likely implemented as a linked list so to get all the entries in the array the database has to jump and follow these links to gather all entries
some databases let you fetch these separately as a result
surreal sage
ughhhhhh im migrating servers and I REALLY dont feel like setting up mongodb again
silver jackal
man you guys are suck
sharp geyser
🤔
silver jackal
DigitalOcean is just trying to scam me
sharp geyser
Not true
sharp geyser
Well for one, thats how much it costs you currently
Also two, have you ever used digital ocean before?
sharp geyser
Alright
silver jackal
@sharp geyser im buying droplet
warm surge
<@957347862314905610> im buying droplet
ayyyyy
silver jackal
SSH Key or Password
sharp geyser
Up to you
warm surge
password
sharp geyser
I would also recommend password until you learn what ssh keys are
cause by the sounds of it you dont
warm surge
the one $96 ubuntu
For me it’s $5
silver jackal
sharp geyser
Cause if not rip
silver jackal
Cause if not rip
but i have zero on credit card
sharp geyser
its crazy that costs 96$
silver jackal
Wait will it charge me even if i have zero money?
Because it doesn't say that im charged $96
sharp geyser
Not if you have the credits as a new customer assuming you signed up through that thing and claimed it
warm surge
it says $96 on billing 💀
that’s why i said use novonode or any cheap vps
silver jackal
i don't have $96
ok card
@warm surge why can't i remove a card
from digitalocean
Bro this is so sketchy
i will just stick to galaxygate
warm surge
<@481068576363773972> why can't i remove a card
i don’t use digital ocean
warm surge
from digitalocean
Probably because it’s primarily payment
silver jackal
wtf
sharp geyser
- Go to the settings Page
- Click Billing
- There should be a thing that tells you how many credits you have
- If it says you have none, and you are indeed a first time customer of digital ocean then contact customer support.
silver jackal
this website trying to take my money
sharp geyser
Its a company ofc it wants your money, chances are you just are misreading the entire situation
silver jackal
it says the charge bill will appear tomorrow
sharp geyser
why dont you contact customer support if you feel like there is an issue
warm surge
96 in the trash
sharp geyser
quite frankly none of us here can help you through it
We only told you it was legit, and it is, i've used it myself in the past
sharp geyser
Right im done with this conversation if you are just ignoring everything I say
suffer alone
:)
silver jackal
i can't change primary
warm surge
1. Go to the settings Page
2. Click Billing
3. There should be a thing that tell...
@silver jackal ^^^^^^
silver jackal
i don't have two of them
silver jackal
1. Go to the settings Page
2. Click Billing
3. There should be a thing that tell...
i don't have two credit cards bro
sharp geyser
No one is telling you to have two of them
warm surge
i don't have two credit cards bro
did it say 2 ?
sharp geyser
I think you need to get a better translator
silver jackal
sharp geyser
Like I said, contact customer support if you feel there is an issue with the credits
WE are not digitalocean
so WE cannot help you
warm surge
silver jackal
discord.gg/digitalocean
they say can't get help in there
warm surge
is that official?
yes
silver jackal
not official
sharp geyser
shocking
silver jackal
not official
sharp geyser
Right Ark
silver jackal
i was just in there
silver jackal
bruh
sharp geyser
CONTACT CUSTOMER SUPPORT
yknow this button at the very tipy top of the page
Click that
follow what it tells you
simple as that
warm surge
not official
It’s official because i pulled it from their website
silver jackal
well i joined that server
warm surge
@silver jackal https://docs.digitalocean.com/support/
silver jackal
and asked a moderator
silver jackal
<@405070001356275712> https://docs.digitalocean.com/support/
i changed my payment method lol
i just changed some numbers
warm surge
at this point just leave em be webster
eh
sharp geyser
you can't save them all
warm surge
Eh
Im not like you, i can handle that kind of bs when i feel like it and i feel like it so eh
sharp geyser
right
warm surge
just got coffee so eh
sharp geyser
but its not about handling it or not
its the fact we are not digital ocean, so we cannot help him
warm surge
true
silver jackal
digital ocean support suck
sharp geyser
even attempting ot help him will mislead him
so best we can do is tell him to either contact customer support at digital ocean
or suffer silently
silver jackal
i did contact
i just got automated response
it didn't help me at all
0/10 customer service
sharp geyser
right, cause if its a live chat, you need to ask for an agent
if its through email, you need to wait
😲
silver jackal
its through email
sharp geyser
Then wait for a response
lyric mountain
on a scale from 1 to 10 where 1 is the hardest
how easy is it to set up a redis ...
On linux, 8 maybe
On windows, Unhandled exception on main thread: IntegerUnderflowException
quartz kindle
based
lyric mountain
One does not simply redis on windows
You literally have to compile the internet to make it work and it's still a 50/50
sharp geyser
I got it working fairly easily when I did it years ago
lyric mountain
sharp geyser
Idk what this means
lyric mountain
Basically "the chosen one"
It's a meme from dune 2
Redis defeated our entire dev department where i work
Cuz it refused to run properly on windows
Or straight out didn't run
quartz kindle
lmao
surreal sage
filezilla moment
surreal sage
winscp doesnt work for me
it just randomly decides to stop mid transfer
fz doesnt
rugged delta
Hewo - someoe, Im making a bot (yes, I actually did it) so - qq, HOW DO I MAKE A BOT TOKEN, AND ADD IT TO MY SERVER. also - its a private bot, restricted to only my server/ppl I allow...
bitter granite
You can get bot token from the discord developer site
rugged delta
You can get bot token from the discord developer site
ok - so Do I attach my bot to the box in it?
Like, the code of it?
hello??
@sweet veldt pls??^^
sweet veldt
<@287626798584430593> pls??^^
Wrong Person
rugged delta
Wrong Person
oke - sorry
quartz kindle
Like, the code of it?
no
you have to run the code yourself
either in your own computer or in some hosting service you pay for
you get the token from the discord developers page, add the token inside your code, then run your code
rugged delta
you get the token from the discord developers page, add the token inside your co...
Okey
I didnt get a word - but k
rugged delta
how did you make the bot?
MAGIC
quartz kindle
alright then
rose warren
Ah yes
surreal sage
either in your own computer or in some hosting service you pay for
any discord bot dedicated hosting services 🤮
rip offs
patent torrent
Hey, are there any experienced bot devs here that got their bots out to the public with success? I would like to learn from someone how to market a bot and get people to use it. I am already bidding on ads on top.gg but any other tips that someone is willing to share? Would really appreciate it
deft wolf
Depends on what you mean by "success"
For some it's hundreds of thousands of servers and for some it's just a few servers but devoted fans of your bot
silver jackal
i have question
i started making a bot and i hosted it on vps
right now its hosted on 1gb 20gb storage
How much do i need ram
patent torrent
For some it's hundreds of thousands of servers and for some it's just a few serv...
That's true, but I meant it more as a general question: "how do i get people to know and try my bot?". I am just wondering whether there are any ways to promote it besides top.gg ads? Maybe a website with good SEO?
silver jackal
That's true, but I meant it more as a general question: "how do i get people to ...
well uh for starters have your bot top.gg link in your about me
deft wolf
That's true, but I meant it more as a general question: "how do i get people to ...
I didn't promote my bot at all, I just used a niche and people looking for this specific type of bot will sooner or later come across it
harsh nova
^ having a truly unique bot is 90% of the work
Try as hard as you want but you're going to have massive trouble making a successful multi purpose bot due to market saturation
radiant kraken
but my multipurpose bot has 600 commands 
silver jackal
patent torrent
Try as hard as you want but you're going to have massive trouble making a succes...
Yeah that's for everything not just discord bots. If you do something that has been done 100 times already is gonna be hard
silver jackal
yey 20 ping ms
harsh nova
Yeah that's for everything not just discord bots. If you do something that has b...
Indeed
radiant kraken
agreed
silver jackal
@patent torrent give id of your bot
radiant kraken
which is why it's so hard to come up with original project ideas
craggy pine
The feelsbadmoment our multipurpose bot has like 20k servers like 4 years ago and the main bot acc owner got yeeted through 2auth.
patent torrent
Yeah I guess I will just let it run and see how it goes. Was just wondering whether there is something I forgot
craggy pine
Was good times.
deft wolf
More than the number of users?
radiant kraken
ping is the most useless statistic to show on a discord bot ngl
frfr
in fact it would be better as an owner-only command
sharp geyser
Really there is no statisitcs to show on your bot except for actual statisitcs that make sense
for example some mod bots might show "X users banned" or what not
it proves that the bot is used and does its job
the average discord user won't even know what 21ms ping means
radiant kraken
for example some mod bots might show "X users banned" or what not
frfr
lament rock
Meanwhile devs will meme that negative ping means they're coming from the future
radiant kraken
commands ran in the past 24 hours >>> server count/user count
sharp geyser
overall stats is better than how many users you serve
cause majority of those users potentially could come from 1 server
radiant kraken
frfr
sharp geyser
which while impressive you got your bot into such a large server it proves nothing in reality
sharp geyser
I mean
discord should really check to see if the servers your bot is in also consists of majority bots
😭
earnest phoenix
hello, my old account got deleted, but my old bot page (that is deleted too) is still on top.gg, what am I supposed to do so I can change the bot to the new one?
harsh nova
commands ran in the past 24 hours >>> server count/user count
In my case that'd be a bad statistic as my bot is set and forget Generally I do agree tho
sharp geyser
hello, my old account got deleted, but my old bot page (that is deleted too) is ...
Message the guy above me
earnest phoenix
Message the guy above me
oh ok x)
radiant kraken
i think for your bot it's the amounts of threads watched
harsh nova
@earnest phoenix id recommend another mod 
I'll be afk for like a week
sharp geyser
Oh damn
harsh nova
i think for your bot it's the amounts of threads watched
Indeed
radiant kraken
<@456226577798135808> id recommend another mod <a:blob_nod:925773747238109225> I...
oooo HCI?
earnest phoenix
<@456226577798135808> id recommend another mod <a:blob_nod:925773747238109225> I...
oh ok
sharp geyser
Sorry Ender
harsh nova
oooo HCI?
Nah had that exam today. I've a friend from the Netherlands staying for about a week
sharp geyser
is it lizard?
harsh nova
that's my bad, fish is usally never afk
I'm chronically online yes
earnest phoenix
Sorry Ender
I can dm another one?
radiant kraken
lizard is from the US
harsh nova
Yea
radiant kraken
radiant kraken
if it's from the Netherlands then it's probably Veld
sharp geyser
doubt
radiant kraken
he's the only Dutch person i know
silver jackal
silver jackal
Unless you are serving thousands of servers 2gb should be fine
wait really?
sharp geyser
yea, again depends on what you are doing as well
but typically its good for most cases
silver jackal
@sharp geyser i use a something that uses less ram and resources less than discord.js
sharp geyser
you only really need more resources once you start seeing a spike in shards
sharp geyser
Okay
frosty gale
<@957347862314905610> i use a something that uses less ram and resources less th...
what do you use then
silver jackal
The smaller size of commands in AOI.js compared to Discord.js likely translates to less memory usage and potentially faster execution times. This difference could result in more efficient resource utilization on your VPS. However, the exact amount of resources saved will depend on various factors such as the complexity of your commands, the frequency of interactions with Discord's API, and the overall architecture of your bot. Generally, you can expect AOI.js to use less RAM and CPU compared to Discord.js for equivalent functionality.
deft wolf
sharp geyser
its literally just a framework for discord.js
💀
it's "BaseClient" extends discord.js client
frosty gale
"i really hate to tell you this but"
sharp geyser
Sorry chloe
All it does is overwrite discord.js cache with their own values you can set yourself
frosty gale
The smaller size of commands in AOI.js compared to Discord.js likely translates ...
chatgpt loves making stuff up
sharp geyser
or use their default ones
frosty gale
its not designed to be factual anyways
sharp geyser
not 3.5 anyway
GPT 4 is slightly better since it uses actual up to date information
but its also 20$ a month so
not buying into that shit
frosty gale
but to their credit (aoi.js)
they do seem to use quite a bit of custom stuff
not just directly wrapping around discord.js
but for the resource usage aspect of it its probably going to be similar to just using discord.js
sharp geyser
yes because it literally using djs as the client
the client itself is where majority of the resource usage comes from
frosty gale
nevermind it literally is just a wrapper around discord.js
sharp geyser
it makes it "slightly" better by overwriting the default cache values disabling some of the uneeded ones for most bots
frosty gale
they just made it more complicated than it has to be so i didnt realise at first
silver jackal
its better
sharp geyser
💀
frosty gale
i said at first "oh wait thats custom"
silver jackal
fast to run a comman
frosty gale
sharp geyser
yea
its literally just getting it through discordjs
its just another discord.js wrapper like how sapphirejs is
or old akario
sharp geyser
All good man, no one is clowning you
We just want to let you know that it is indeed discord.js
sharp geyser
not to nitpick but 
silver jackal
frosty gale
jquery rolling in its grave
silver jackal
jquery rolling in its grave
?
sharp geyser
jquery rolling in its grave
rugged delta
Hewo - help pls.....
craggy pine
Don't just say "I need help" ask your question
rugged delta
Don't just say "I need help" ask your question
Okey
So - in an ez way - how do you make a bot token, and how do you add a bot in the bot token
and my bot is private...
frosty gale
So - in an ez way - how do you make a bot token, and how do you add a bot in the...
lets start with the first thing
are you asking how you can get your bots token?
rugged delta
are you asking how you can get your bots token?
yes
I made one on the dc developers one
deft wolf
https://github.com/aoijs/aoi.js/blob/v6/src/classes/AoiBase.js
Why does it look so similar to that Android app where you create bots? 
sharp geyser
situations like this is when I think having a bot with a tag system would be helpful
rugged delta
but idk if its correct
frosty gale
I made one on the dc developers one
this is how the page should look
rugged delta
@frosty gale Ill do it on DMs
sharp geyser
Why does it look so similar to that Android app where you create bots? <a:sus:11...
ever heard of such a thing
sharp geyser
people always want to dm you
frosty gale
2nd person today in fact
sharp geyser
deft wolf
ever heard of such a thing
I think it's called Discord Bot Designer
deft wolf
You mean DIscord Bot Maker right?
sharp geyser
I think so
rugged delta
@frosty gale wabt these ^^???
frosty gale
dont worry about these right now
rugged delta
dont worry about these right now
Oke
frosty gale
you probably dont want interactions over HTTP
rugged delta
then how do I add my bot into these tokens
deft wolf
I think so
DBD is like DBM, but on the phone
rugged delta
you probably dont want interactions over HTTP
Yes
frosty gale
then how do I add my bot into these tokens
do you have code that can run a bot?
rugged delta
do you have code that can run a bot?
I have the code FOR the bot - but idk if it rins it..
runs*
rugged delta
where did you get the code
I wrote it
sharp geyser
rugged delta
did you make it yourself or took it from someone
I took it, and added like 50 lines extra
and did major revamps on it...
so ig...
yes
frosty gale
this is how the page should look
so from here you likely need to get your bots token (by resetting and copying it) then put it into your bots code
rugged delta
so from here you likely need to get your bots token (by resetting and copying it...
Uhm - which part tho
frosty gale
i dont know how your code looks like but you likely need to put the token in a "token:" field or something like client.login("token")
rugged delta
like i can send you the code, then you can give me a full instruction...
yh - so DO i reset it??
apologise cas
caps
sharp geyser
you have to reset it to get the token
frosty gale
but dont show the token please its supposed to be only secret to you
frosty gale
more like 72 letters
rugged delta
more like 72 letters
oke
frosty gale
its supposed to be a long text of random stuff
frosty gale
got it - then I add it to the bot?
yes then you can add it to your code and your code can then log into the bot through the token
should anyways
rugged delta
yes then you can add it to your code and your code can then log into the bot thr...
Uhm - which part tho??
this is the very start of my code
idc if anyone sees tbh
frosty gale
can i ask where you took the initial code from
there might be an easier way to put the token in
rugged delta
can i ask where you took the initial code from
the og person who made it
tarunbeast
I added it to the starting line
frosty gale
at the bottom of the code can you find something called client.run(
thats where you put the token
frosty gale
I added it to the starting line
that wont work you need to pass the token in through a function
in this case its called client.run
frosty gale
what do you mean
rugged delta
what do you mean
I pasted it...
rugged delta
that wont work you need to pass the token in through a function
Ahh - the function..
what is that exactly..??
frosty gale
the function (client.run) is where you give your token to log into the bot
actually try run the script first without the token
rugged delta
actually try run the script first without the token
Oke
frosty gale
see what happens
frosty gale
how are you trying to run it
rugged delta
^^^
rugged delta
Like this - cos it aint aded to dc yet - so I have no clue
heopless - shouldda paid attention in computing ig
frosty gale
honestly with your thing i would recommend you learn some code and how to make a basic bot from scratch
rugged delta
honestly with your thing i would recommend you learn some code and how to make a...
Mhm
frosty gale
it shouldnt take long and youll actually know whats going on
rugged delta
But like - ig I wont quit now Ive come so far
frosty gale
start from scratch and have a look at something like this https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/discord-bot-python
have a go at making your own bot
if you dont want to code you can always use services that let you make a bot without code but thats not really recommended
and they usually suck
but its tricky getting existing code like that running without you knowing whats actually going on
rugged delta
okey
@frosty gale I did all the steps
BUT I CAN'T FIND THE ADD-BOT BUTTON IN OAUTH2 OR BOT
solemn latch
I always just make my own link
frosty gale
BUT I CAN'T FIND THE ADD-BOT BUTTON IN OAUTH2 **OR** BOT
they changed it im pretty sure
you dont need to create a bot anymore its created by default
rugged delta
they changed it im pretty sure
none of the sites are updated then
frosty gale
so just go to the bot page
rugged delta
you dont need to create a bot anymore its created by default
cos i STILL can't find out how to attach my bot
I even addaed the token
and ran it
smoothly run
solemn latch
you dont need to create a bot anymore its created by default
I think they answered the question.
👀
Unless you're asking about inviting the bot
rugged delta
I think they answered the question.
bruh - I mean, MY BOT AINT SHOWING ON THE SITE...
solemn latch
On what site?
rugged delta
in the token...
solemn latch
I don't know what that means 👀
rugged delta
I don't know what that means 👀
Bruh
rugged delta
How would a bot be in a string?
Yes- I mean every bot has a token right?? and the bot is attachedt in it
solemn latch
You can't find the token you mean?
sharp geyser
yikes nala.pics borked
rugged delta
You can't find the token you mean?
ja
solemn latch
Awh
solemn latch
What's the url you used to get to that?
rugged delta
What's the url you used to get to that?
in Oauth2
after selecting 'bot' in the grid
and selecting admin.. - this is what comes after I click the link to attach it to my server...
solemn latch
I think the "bot" page is deprecated no? That's an old page.
rugged delta
I think the "bot" page is deprecated no? That's an old page.
Ahh - oke
TF?!?!
Ive been tinkerin around with that thing - and Im still clueless, I watched like 50 videios - skill issue to me ig...
frosty gale
Ive been tinkerin around with that thing - and Im still clueless, I watched like...
weve all been there
whats the issue now
rugged delta
whats the issue now
literally everything the same thing as bfore
I checked the article you snt, and a few more
None of them EXACTLY say how to
My bot just isnt attaching to the developer site
and my brain has left the chat
cries
frosty gale
My bot just isnt attaching to the developer site
why do you think that
sage bobcat
One message removed from a suspended account.
eternal osprey
Can anyone tell me why the fuck my bootstrap carousel does hits?
Each time an image changes it goes full image screen
sharp geyser
it's boot strap
But it could be what you are cycling through is different in size to what you are setting the parameters of the carousel to
Image Size > Carousel Size
solemn latch
I don't know how bootstrap does it. But surely you can put your images in a container and set the size of those to all be the same, and just make the images fit.
It might look a little funky without adjusting the images themselves to be the same size though
sharp geyser
Can anyone tell me why the fuck my bootstrap carousel does hits?
Show the html for this part
silver jackal
@sharp geyser i need help
sharp geyser
Okay
sharp geyser
Google tells you to pm2 delete index
lament rock
Why does this show on your status lmao
lament rock
dw about it!
Interesting. Discord is starting to serialize a clan property on users
user: {
id: '320067006521147393',
username: 'papiophidian',
avatar: '3d0f5437e4825be02828633641bf5434',
discriminator: '0',
public_flags: 4194880,
flags: 4194880,
banner: null,
accent_color: null,
global_name: 'PapiOphidian',
avatar_decoration_data: null,
banner_color: null,
clan: null
}
quartz kindle
Interesting. Discord is starting to serialize a `clan` property on users
```js
u...
you're a member of null's clan
lament rock
you're a member of null's clan
LMAO
quartz kindle
:^)
sharp geyser
shut tide
Why does this show on your status lmao
6 badge is wild
lament rock
6 badge is wild
hm?
proven lantern
is there a reason that some of the guilds my bot is in have an icon in their guild object, but why i try to look at it on discord's cdn it doesn't show up?
<img alt="icon" src="{URLS.cdn}icons/{guild_id}/{icon}.png"/>
https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/guild
spark flint
is there a reason that some of the guilds my bot is in have an `icon` in their g...
Image deleted or smth
frosty gale
does it load when you try to load it by just going in the browser?
spark flint
Also remove .png, it will auto default to the uploaded file type
neon leaf
whats the difference between displayAvatarURL and avatarURL?
frosty gale
also W for using svelte
frosty gale
whats the difference between displayAvatarURL and avatarURL?
pretty sure avatarURL only shows the users custom avatar
so if they dont have one it wont return anything
proven lantern
does it load when you try to load it by just going in the browser?
nope
frosty gale
but displayAvatarURL returns a default avatar if the user doesnt have a custom one
proven lantern
Image deleted or smth
perhaps, maybe i need to bother the guild members
proven lantern
could it be your url is incorrect?
it works for other guilds
frosty gale
i assume you construct the url by doing something like this?
proven lantern
i assume you construct the url by doing something like this?
yea
here's a different one
frosty gale
so yeah it must be because its deleted
how old is the data youre working on
is it just recently fetched or
discord deletes old icons or images that were deleted and not in use anymore from its cdn
proven lantern
how old is the data youre working on
it's older now, but i noticed it the same day the guild first used the bot
frosty gale
yeah things like this you cant rely on discord for because they can delete the icon at any time
if you really want the icons you should download them when you first see them so you can display them on your local cdn
or always fetch the most recent guild object so you can get the recent icon but thats a lot of api requests probably
spark flint
nope
Yeah it’s because the guild changed their icon
Old icon gets deleted and a new hash replaces it
frosty gale
who made this goofy star bot #starboard
trying to stringify something that cannot be stringified is a rookie mistake
eternal osprey
hey guys i have a mental breakdown about the security of my site
upon registering, i want to send the email and password to the backend, my api. How can i securely do so?
omg nvm i am so smart
nvm
sharp geyser
trying to stringify something that cannot be stringified is a rookie mistake
I made it
eternal osprey
work on the design cuz rn it looks like shit
glass acorn
Yeah I was planning on making embeds for it
I'm using python as well, and the interactions library
So I'm kinda limited
eternal osprey
how can i hash my data client side?
Like, i see lots of shit about the crypto package, but i can't really use that on the web as it's for nodejs only
or should i only do that server side, assuming that i am sending plain data using SSL enabled?
wispy frigate
sending it from client side to server with https, then hashing it with the server before being stored is pretty standard practice i believe
frosty gale
Like, i see lots of shit about the crypto package, but i can't really use that o...
you can access the web crypto with window.crypto if your website is https but im not sure if it supports many hashing algorithms so youd likely have to use a library for that
but depending on what you want to hash youd probably do that on the server anyways
window.crypto.subtle to be specific
not sure why its prefixed with subtle
glass acorn
honest opinion, slash commands or ! commands?
quartz kindle
honest opinion, slash commands or ! commands?
most bots dont have a choice
once you get to 100+ servers and get verified, discord only allows you to listen to text messages for very niche use cases
so the majority of bots dont have a choice but to move to slash commands
otherwise slash commands have a lot more features but are less reliable and often buggy
glass acorn
otherwise slash commands have a lot more features but are less reliable and ofte...
python coders finding out that interactions.py is easier to make slash commands in than discord.py:
sharp geyser
It isn’t really about how easy it is or not
If you don’t have a reason that’s valid in discords eyes your bot won’t get approved if it uses message commands.
glass acorn
python coders finding out that js these days is faster than python
I'm only pissed off because I know js but it wont let me run it
my VSCode hates me so much
quartz kindle
wdym wont let you run it lol
sharp geyser
wdym wont let you run it lol
Still uses node 5
wheat mesa
python coders finding out that js these days is faster than python
“These days” I would’ve imagined it was always faster
Python has been slow as shit since it’s been released
Purely a stack based VM instead of doing JIT or register based like every other modern VM
quartz kindle
“These days” I would’ve imagined it was *always* faster
ever since node/v8 maybe
but like og interpreted js good luck exdee
quartz kindle
not coding, but alive yeah lol
quartz kindle
indeed
wheat mesa
Oh damn I thought python was a much more modern language
Apparently existed before js
Interesting
quartz kindle
You’re like in your late 20s tho right?
33
quartz kindle
not too long tbh
sharp geyser
icic
quartz kindle
only started getting into it in my late 20s
sharp geyser
dang
quartz kindle
thanks to discord bots mostly
sharp geyser
I didn’t start until I was 12
quartz kindle
dicksword bots
sharp geyser
Stuck to bots too much that I didn’t practice much
wheat mesa
I didn’t start until I was 12
“Until I was 12” as if that isn’t early af
😭
Technically I started js when I was 9 at a summer camp but I don’t count that because it was for a week and I understood pretty much nothing
I really started when I was 15
quartz kindle
at 15 i was playing online games 16 hours a day
sharp geyser
“Until I was 12” as if that isn’t early af
Wym that’s late for a lot of people
wheat mesa
I only know one dude irl that started really young and he was like 7 or 8 at the time, started with mc mods
sharp geyser
😭
wheat mesa
Well if you compare your knowledge to when you were 12 I guarantee you that 12yo you would be very impressed
sharp geyser
Maybe
wheat mesa
Something I need to start doing is specializing
sharp geyser
My perception is screwed tbh
wheat mesa
I'm getting to that point in my programming journey that I need to pick something and focus heavily on it
sharp geyser
That’s what I’m doing
wheat mesa
But at the same time there's so much I want to learn that I can't do it all
Plus I'm not entirely sure what I want to specialize in
Ideally it would be working on some sort of proprietary game engine or maybe even something like unreal or unity, but that's going to take a while to get into
Not really interested in game dev unless the conditions are good which is very rare to find in that world
But super interested in game engine dev
quartz kindle
html+css game engine
wheat mesa
lmao
sharp geyser
Built entirely on js
wheat mesa
I like low level backend stuff, I just don't know much about the availability of jobs for that sort of thing so I try to keep my knowledge broad
