development

[silver jackal]

i bought galaxygate vps $3

and never got refund

[quartz kindle]

you bought and canceled?

[silver jackal]

yes and did refund

but never got money back

[quartz kindle]

well, they have a discord server

you can ask there

[silver jackal]

no

they scam

[quartz kindle]

well i had a vps with them for about 2 years, never had issues

but if you have a credit card, you can try the google's free one

[silver jackal]

free?

google does discord bot hosting?

[quartz kindle]

they only charge for excess bandwidth, like if you spend more than 1gb of network data per month, they start charging per gb

but its very cheap

like a couple cents per gb

[silver jackal]

how do i host on that

[quartz kindle]

its a vps

you can host anything on a vps

[lament rock]

Something doesnt need to be labeled as "Discord bot hosting" in order to work with Discord bots

[silver jackal]

ah the coding language i use doesnt support vps

[lament rock]

Most bots are just run off linux

[quartz kindle]

uhh...

[lament rock]

What

[frosty gale]

ive had them for ages and they never scammed me lol

[silver jackal]

if you have something that is not vps

[quartz kindle]

theres no such thing as a coding language that doesnt support a vps

[silver jackal]

i dont know how vps work

i spend like 4 hours

[quartz kindle]

a vps is a computer

[silver jackal]

and didnt even got it running

[quartz kindle]

that you rent

you can run anything on it

[silver jackal]

is it easy to manage?

[quartz kindle]

yes

[lone plinth]

You can use pebble host

[lament rock]

Familiarize yourself with the linux shell as you definitely dont want to install a GUI on a headless server

[quartz kindle]

and what language is that btw

[lament rock]

So, JavaScript

[frosty gale]

oh

[quartz kindle]

isnt that bdfd v2 lol

but yeah its just a node.js package

install nodejs, install aoijs e run index.js

[lament rock]

Unrelated but I hate bdfd and derivatives

[silver jackal]

i did all that

but i could not login to my vps account

[quartz kindle]

have you ever used linux before?

[silver jackal]

no

[quartz kindle]

its a good thing to learn

and its not hard

[silver jackal]

how can i learn when i was locked on my vps account 💀

bro said i can copy and paste password

[quartz kindle]

when you purchase a vps service, you have a choice on what OS to install, i recommend debian or ubuntu

[silver jackal]

but it didnt work

[silver jackal]

can you give a bot hosting that is vps but like panel easy to manage?

like a dashboard

[quartz kindle]

then most hosting providers have a control panel that lets you click a button to open an ssh session

[silver jackal]

is there something like a dashboard?

[lone plinth]

Vps is sometimes costly, you can try Googleing discord bot hosts.
https://sparkedhost.com/
Or https://pebblehost.com/

[lament rock]

most providers have a dashboard xd

[lone plinth]

Yeah

[silver jackal]

i used pebble for my minecraft server

[quartz kindle]

he wants something like those pterodactyl things

[lone plinth]

Yeah, you can also use it for discord bots

[silver jackal]

ok and on pebble?

do i need to install

npm i aoi.js

and node?

or them notes

[lone plinth]

You can ask these things to them.

[silver jackal]

ok

[lone plinth]

I will suggest you to buy the 1gb one cause anything else will be a waste of money

[frosty gale]

but not for something that lets you just upload your code and press a button to start a bot or whatever

[silver jackal]

uh i got support by ai

he told me i need only node.js and aoi.js

and thats it

[frosty gale]

ai?

[silver jackal]

ye

Pebble ai

[dusk hatch]

honestly pebble aint that good

[silver jackal]

ok

[lyric mountain]

1gb is pretty tight

[lament rock]

I can fit a lot into 1GB. My bot can easily fit into < 200MB and memory usage doesn't really get higher than that. Shit, I've fit a modded Minecraft server in a 2GB VPS and it was really playable

[sharp geyser]

How many players and how many mods?

[lament rock]

about 100 mods and 7 players

[quartz kindle]

minecraft is a game where modding actually makes it perform better

unlike skyrim

exdee

[sharp geyser]

oh god

skyrim

I miss that game

😭

[lyric mountain]

If mojang wasn't so brickhead and actually reviewed the code flow to make those mods unnecessary

[frosty gale]

they did rewrite it in c++ though

except they made it a seperate game for some reason

"bedrock edition"

and the pc interface for it looks like it was designed for mobile which it was initially

waste of effort in my opinion

[quartz kindle]

and turned out even worse

[frosty gale]

that was the biggest fumble ever but not many people are talking about it

it had great potential to turn the game from a resource heavy hog to a more or less optimised and light game

and maybe even somehow figure out a way to keep support for java mods/plugins

[quartz kindle]

pretty sure they just did a 1:1 port

or even worse, an automated port

[frosty gale]

if so thats even worse

[lyric mountain]

thank goodness they made it a separate game

they dont need to replace java, they just need to sit and fix the numerous leaks and suboptimal logic

[frosty gale]

for memory management they definitely need to at least add some memory pool or something because the massive memory spikes and drops when GC kicks in probably doesnt help performance

[lyric mountain]

also this aint possible, c++ isn't as moddable as java simply because it relies on an official modding api instead of having access to the entire code

[frosty gale]

sure but you can still add integration and bindings im pretty sure which allows java apis to interact with the native ones and vice versa

kinda like node gyp but java if that makes sense

[lyric mountain]

I get you, what I mean is that java being java they get to see and touch every piece of minecraft

whereas with c++ it'd not be possible as you'd only see asm

[quartz kindle]

minecraft with lua modding

[frosty gale]

it is more work but its not impossible

but yeah for everything else youd need some kind of binding for it

[lyric mountain]

it is impossible sadly, unless they released the source code

[frosty gale]

because you cant interact from native to java directly of course

from quick thinking they could add some kind of DLL which allows access to internal minecraft apis and structures to an extent

[quartz kindle]

i mean, the shit that mods can do today are so ridiculous it really feels like they are rewriting the entire game without source needed

[lyric mountain]

meant for java x c++

[quartz kindle]

ah the bedrock source

[lyric mountain]

with c++ you get closed doors, modders only get what mojang gives them

[quartz kindle]

nobody cares about bedrock

huehuehue

[frosty gale]

thats the only bad thing about it

if modders want more they need to reverse engineer the game and add manual bindings to it

kind of like gta 5 mods

scripthookv

its ridiculous

and of course tons of things break every update

[lyric mountain]

I mean, yeah, there ARE mods for bedrock, but they arent in the same level as, say, Create

well, tbf it's better to use a lower bar like Aether as an example

[frosty gale]

mooyang

whats the worst performance killer in the java version at the moment anyways

[lyric mountain]

iirc lightning

[quartz kindle]

lack of gpu optimization

did you see the nvidium mod?

rewrites the graphics engine to use nvidia shader cores or what not

fps goes from 90 to 700

[lyric mountain]

oh, neat, didnt know about it

[frosty gale]

makes sense considering my rtx 3080 maxes out when setting minecraft to highest settings

[quartz kindle]

it only works on nvidia 1060+ afaik

[frosty gale]

and doesnt even get good fps

[quartz kindle]

https://modrinth.com/mod/nvidium

[frosty gale]

poor amd users

[lyric mountain]

sodium alone gives a huge boost too

[frosty gale]

i'll give them both a try and see how it runs

[lyric mountain]

nono lul, you'll have to use both

nvidium is backed by sodium

[frosty gale]

yes both

is memory not a concern at all in minecraft though? last time i ran a minecraft server the memory usage chart is a rollercoaster

the gc constantly being invoked probably isnt a great thing for performance

[lyric mountain]

eh, depends, it does help if you use shenandoah GC

ZGC is also an option, but idk how it performs on games

[quartz kindle]

yeah ram is a huge concern due to how chunks work

[lyric mountain]

I also recommend lithium and phosphor

if phosphor is still being updated

funny how curseforge started as a minecraft mod listing site, and now it's dying due to corporate greed

[frosty gale]

whats wrong with curseforge

[lyric mountain]

well, it started when overwolf came

which as you might already know about as a horrible app & overlay platform since they put ads everywhere and sometimes even hinder performance

then the site progressively became worse from all the ad junk littered around and data collection

[neon leaf]

Starlight is the newer alternative

Most starlight and phosphor features are in vanilla now though

[wheat mesa]

overwolf has ruined everything about curseforge

ads everywhere, 20 pop ups, it feels like I'm on a website for cracked roms or some shit

[frosty gale]

i havent noticed since i always use adblockers

[lyric mountain]

overwolf has ruined everything about curseforge
ftfy

name one thing overworlf touched that wasn't ruined

[lyric mountain]

ah yes, they enhanced zgc on java 21

I was already using zgc for most of my projects since they introduced it

yep, if there's one thing that java is unparalleled at is gc

funny that this used to be one of java's major drawbacks back then

[frosty gale]

i propose manual memory management for java

so i can use my beloved malloc and free

[lyric mountain]

you can somewhat mark something to be collected already, by nulling all references to it

[frosty gale]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2927396/how-can-i-disable-java-garbage-collector

whats this gc thing and why does it keep pausing my program

[lyric mountain]

I would like to know how to disable it for Java 1.4.2 and for Java 1.6.0 because we are currently testing both JVM to see which performs faster..
💀

[frosty gale]

i hope these people arent working on any production projects

clearly dont understand why the gc exists and when is it used

if they set high enough max memory the gc will never be called assuming their task is indeed short and doesnt allocate many objects

and even if it does get called at least your program/task still works and doesnt crash albeit a tiny performance penalty

[lyric mountain]

a common thing to do it performance is paramount, is to set minimum heap size to the same value as max

this way it never needs to increase, thus reducing time spent realocating

[wheat mesa]

Yeah to an extent but usually the compiler/gc is smart enough to know when it’s not used anymore

Because they don’t just use ref counts, gc uses mark & sweep and ref counts

[wheat mesa]

💀 hmmmm… I wonder which will perform better

Technically it’ll perform better until you run out of memory!

[frosty gale]

for some reason i wanna write a garbage collection mod for c++

no need to delete or free the gc will do that

just overload the new operator

actually that sounds more like a smart pointer if anything lmao

[wheat mesa]

That’s quite literally what Java was invented for lol

[frosty gale]

i thought it was made to be a simple and portable language

"write once run anywhere" after all

well simple is subjective but portable definitely

[wheat mesa]

Both

[earnest phoenix]

The discord.py have pre-made shard service or do i need to use other packages fpr it?

[hidden gorge]

fun

[frosty gale]

i love android studio

really good IDE

basically codes for you

[sharp geyser]

What is android

[neon leaf]

what is love

[quartz kindle]

baby dont hurt me

[wheat mesa]

It’s just Intellij but dumbed down a bit :c

Just use Intellij

[lyric mountain]

yep, there's very little advantage to using android studio

[hidden gorge]

i fell and nearly got hit by a car

[spark flint]

question, why #development

can't develop you some crutches /j

[warm surge]

why in development

[spark flint]

ok thats insensitive

[hidden gorge]

WHOOPS

[spark flint]

i hope you are ok

[hidden gorge]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS GENERAL

[warm surge]

develop some skills

not skill issue

[hidden gorge]

i hit my head so im semi out of it

[frosty gale]

stable diffusion aah image

jk

but the dedication to still be in #development after an accident is admirable

[warm surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-open-up-badge-gif-2348976811964381341

[frosty gale]

thats something tim would do

[deft wolf]

The average person would call their family, but not a Discord user

[spark flint]

lol

[tawdry plover]

is bot page customization with css still possible?

[deft wolf]

Yep

[sharp geyser]

This is the funniest shit i've seen all day

[tawdry plover]

is there any example for it (just for easier start)?

[deft wolf]

It's just css, there are plenty of sources from which you can learn about it

[lyric mountain]

press F12, inspect element, edit css till u like it, copy css properties, paste on a <style> block

[frosty gale]

would you guys recommend traditional java or kotlin for someone that doesnt really do java for a project

[lyric mountain]

I prefer java

Kotlin feels too weird to use imo

Whatever you choose the performance will be practically the same as both compile down to the same bytecode

However I also vouch for groovy, it feels too good to use if you don't mind losing a little performance (which can be mitigated by using @CompileStatic)

Tf

Srry dan, it pinged u

[sharp geyser]

ghost ping

[lyric mountain]

They called for it

[sharp geyser]

lmao

[hidden gorge]

i did

[sharp geyser]

this guy has the habit of oversharing

[hidden gorge]

shut up

[sharp geyser]

It's the truth

[hidden gorge]

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[muted pollen]

Hey

What permissions can I give my bot to see all channels?

[sharp geyser]

You can't without giving it administrator

Even if you give it like the Manage Channel perms or what not, if someone overwrites that at category/channel level it won't matter

I'd also like to note that giving your bot administrator without needing it can impeed verification of said bot if you want to verify it

[lyric mountain]

ALSO it'll prevent discord verification

Because requiring to be able to see all channels is a breach of privacy

[sharp geyser]

I said that

😭

[lyric mountain]

I thought u meant topgg verification

[sharp geyser]

nah

[sharp geyser]

What does math look like at the binary level of 1s and 0s. For example I can do console.log(1+2) and get 3 but if I was using purely 1s and 0s how would this be done? As every programming language eventually becomes machine code (1s or 0s) from my understanding

[radiant kraken]

i believe this is a thing the CPU does

since every basic math operation has its own assembly instruction

[sharp geyser]

I know

I was just wondering what it looked like internally

:p

idk if anyone here would even know the answer to this question but thought i'd ask as its one of my late night thoughts

[muted pollen]

@shell tundra "You can't without giving it Administrator"

._. so just accept my bot

[frosty gale]

wah

mwah*

5am rn i need to sleep

[lament rock]

Your bot doesn't need administrator though. If someone chooses to give it to you, fine. You can prompt someone when they attempt to use a feature that requires all channels be shown to give your bot access to all channels manually or give administrator. If someone denies giving your bot administrator then that's their choice and your bot should just work regardless with what it's given

Dont request it in your invite url either

[muted pollen]

I mean the bot

._. Dumb google translator

[lament rock]

Yes thats what I mean

[timber hatch]

Is anyone familiar with an appropriate way of debugging client side errors with minified webpack bundles?

A few of my users are receiving this error on my nextjs application. Only on 1 route, and seemingly only on older iphone models. But i'm not familiar with an appropriate way of debugging it. I would love to learn how though

[lament rock]

do you have any source maps

[past field]

how can i attach photos to an embed like this for a giveaway command?

[quartz kindle]

using discord.js?

[past field]

yes

[spark flint]

i added my additional IPs to my VPS, but I don't want them to resolve to the same thing as the main IP. how would I go about doing that?

network:
  version: 2
  ethernets:
    eth0:
      addresses:
      - 45.61.161.223/24
      - 45.61.161.167/24
      - 45.61.161.241/24
      - 45.61.161.243/24
      match:
        macaddress: hidden
      nameservers:
        addresses:
        - 1.1.1.1
        search:
        - s10658.advinservers.net
      routes:
        - to: default
          via: 45.61.161.1
      set-name: eth0

doing this makes *.167, *.241 and *.243 resolve to the same as *.223, which i do not want

[real rose]

You would use the .setImage() field of the message embed

https://discordjs.guide/popular-topics/embeds.html#using-the-embed-constructor

[quartz kindle]

what do you want them to resolve as then?

[spark flint]

i'm creating VPS serveers on it

so resolve to the VM it is assigned to

[quartz kindle]

if your vm software supports direct access to your network stack, it should be able to get assigned its own ip independently

otherwise you'll need to redirect/forward them

[spark flint]

hm ok

creating a test vm now

created a VM and the IP is resolving to the main one so I cannot SSH in

[exotic hull]

@lyric mountainbro u here?

[real rose]

you'll need to setup a bridged network

[spark flint]

h

ah

[real rose]

as each vm network will need to connect to the main one

[spark flint]

removed from netplan and yeah not responding now

[exotic hull]

can anyone help?

[real rose]

the function withdraw doesn't know what your balance is

[spark flint]

none of these will work for me

[real rose]

oh using vf?

[spark flint]

yeah

paid for a year license

[real rose]

go to the hypervisor

and scroll down

your "main vps" is the hypervisor and the vms inside it are considered vps

in this case

[spark flint]

ahh ok

[real rose]

you'll see Standard bridge networking

should have what you need

[spark flint]

i think i tried that but it fucked the vps's network

[exotic hull]

how to fix it

[spark flint]

had to manually retype the config in vnc lmfao

[real rose]

tell withdraw what your balance is
Your best bet is to pass your balance into the function as a parameter

[real rose]

nothing worse

[spark flint]

so this would become

network:
  version: 2
  ethernets:
    eth0:
      dhcp4: false
      match:
        macaddress: no
  bridges:
    br0:
      interfaces:
        - eth0
      addresses:
        - 45.61.161.223/24
        - 45.61.161.167/24
        - 45.61.161.241/24
        - 45.61.161.243/24
      gateway4: 45.61.161.1
      nameservers:
        addresses:
          - 1.1.1.1
          - 1.0.0.1
      parameters:
        stp: true
        forward-delay: 0
      dhcp4: false```

i think?

idfk

hetzner gave a single command to add the IP

this isn't hetzner so its not as easy

[real rose]

oh wait is your vps hetz

[spark flint]

nah

[real rose]

then the network is different

oh

kewl

[spark flint]

gonna try this

see what happens

[exotic hull]

ig im dumb

cant fix it

[real rose]

we use netplan primarily, but in this case you shouldn't need to add all the ips into the interfaces file. You add them in the VF panel under "Connections > Ipv4 Addresses"

[spark flint]

oh 👀

[real rose]

yea vf makes things p easy

[spark flint]

i have them added already

i deployed a vps and i can't connect to it or ping it

[real rose]

Did you assign a Mac addy to the IPs here

[spark flint]

i dont think so

[real rose]

https://www.hellion.org.uk/cgi-bin/randmac.pl?scope=local&type=unicast

create a unicast one here

add one to each ip

then delete the vps and redeploy it

[spark flint]

do i add to the block

oh nvm found it

its a tiny mac button

[real rose]

the tiny + MAC yea

[exotic hull]

got answer too but why is it showing error

[spark flint]

ok so like this

[real rose]

yuh

[spark flint]

eventually this command will work

smh userapps enabled when, we dont have perms

[real rose]

now depending who your primary provider is, depends if you need to assign those MACs onto the IP in the provider dashboard

we only have to do it with RS, the others work without

[real rose]

thats p freaking cool if working

[spark flint]

test time

[spark flint]

it worked originally but my custom made windows package didn't work

then i moved from hetzner

[real rose]

o:

[spark flint]

not paying $35 a month

now i pay £13 a month for a vps with 4 ips

[real rose]

💀 sounds p good to me

[spark flint]

its time

[spark flint]

gonna have to contact my provider i think

[real rose]

yeah chance you might need to slot the mac into there too

im not certain what defines if you do or dont need to do it, whether it anycasting network or what

but its p annoying sometimes

[surreal sage]

How can I convert unicode like 😻 to the actual character

😻 represents "Smiling Cat With Heart-Eyes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji#Unicode_blocks

[spark flint]

yes

its great

[lyric mountain]

you dont "convert", you just need to encode the string as utf-8

[radiant kraken]

^

it's prob encoded in ascii

[surreal sage]

Buffer.from("😻", "ascii").toString()
'�xܻ'```

[lyric mountain]

utf8

[surreal sage]

utf-8 returns itself

> Buffer.from("😻", "utf-8").toString()
'😻'```

[lyric mountain]

also that wont work probably, because you're giving the characters

you need to give the bytes

[surreal sage]

anddddd how do I do that

[lyric mountain]

basically once you get the corrupted chars, you're already doomed

[surreal sage]

guess im making a large dictionary to convert it with
https://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2904611/ot-list-of-all-emojis-for-people-who-need-hands-to-talk.html

[lyric mountain]

U+ is replaced by \u on most langs

the rest is just filling the blanks

copyright for example would be \u00A9

[radiant kraken]

same thing

[lyric mountain]

basically once you get the corrupted chars, you're already doomed

because the chars themselves are also valid utf8 characters

[lyric mountain]

also if you want to make it dynamic, dont use Buffer.from, use ArrayBuffer

as you can pass the bytes directly

instead of going string -> bytes

[radiant kraken]

the one astrid gave was corrupted yes

[lyric mountain]

as I said, the characters themselves are valid utf8 characters

so ur not getting the emoji, ur getting the literal characters

if u want the emoji u need to write in unicode notation

[surreal sage]

where's this

[lyric mountain]

Buffer.from("\uF09F\u90B1")

[radiant kraken]

wait really? if so it wouldnt yield a replacement character

[lyric mountain]

that's a surrogate pair btw

[radiant kraken]

i dont recommend using surrogate pairs

[lyric mountain]

it'll yield the bytes for those specific chars

[radiant kraken]

try String.fromCodePoint(0x1F431)

[lyric mountain]

like, imagine you have a colorblind friend

[radiant kraken]

https://apps.timwhitlock.info/unicode/inspect

very useful

[lyric mountain]

you show them the green color, then you ask them to paint a green scenery

you'll get a grey scenery

[lyric mountain]

also if you want to make it dynamic, dont use Buffer.from, use ArrayBuffer

cut the middleman, if you just want the emoji, declare the buffer directly

[radiant kraken]

yup

[surreal sage]

interesting

[lyric mountain]

an explanation why this happened:

\uF09F is the codepoint for that weird mango O in ascii

when you try to read that char in utf8, however, the codepoint is \uF078

this is why it's irreversible if you try to re-encode a corrupted char

[radiant kraken]

what? it definitely isnt

[surreal sage]

it's the start of this block
https://apps.timwhitlock.info/unicode/inspect/hex/1F600-1F64F

[radiant kraken]

oh wait i think you meant utf8 bytes

[lyric mountain]

Got it reversed then

Yes

[surreal sage]

if there is no way to reverse it

then is there a way to actually convert it in a way

😁 to 😀

[radiant kraken]

why

[surreal sage]

hold on

[sharp geyser]

did someone ping me just to ping zobs to tell them to accept their bot

💀

[deft wolf]

Yes

[sharp geyser]

Well don't accept their bot zobs

:D

[radiant kraken]

hm

interesting

@surreal sage maybe String.fromCodePoint(...Buffer.from('😁', 'utf8'))?

[lyric mountain]

Ascii really needs to be dropped nowadays

[surreal sage]

😁

[lyric mountain]

Sure the dictionary is smaller, but do we really need to save a few bytes?

[radiant kraken]

or anything else besides UTF-8

[surreal sage]

i dont get how someone found this

[radiant kraken]

the only sane string encoding tbh

[surreal sage]

[ 240, 159, 152, 129 ]

159 is damn ř

[radiant kraken]

Buffer.from([ 240, 159, 152, 129 ]).toString() yields 😁

those 4 bytes are the UTF-8 equivalent of that emoji/codepoint

[surreal sage]

btw these characters are being given by a llama3 model (and im tryna fix that these characters arent emojis)

just politely asked it to convert the grinning face to such characters and got 😁

[lyric mountain]

You should never attempt converting one encoding to another

[surreal sage]

js look at this rq
https://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2904611/ot-list-of-all-emojis-for-people-who-need-hands-to-talk.html

[radiant kraken]

unless you're working in C with Windows APIs being in UTF-16

or Java with its wacky UTF-8 encoding

[lyric mountain]

Yk, someone needs to slam the doors open, assert dominance and say "this will be the new standard"

Why do we need so many encodings

Windows uses like 9 or 10

[surreal sage]

just how the hell did he get them

that's my question

[lyric mountain]

They didn't, site encoding is likely messed up

[surreal sage]

yeah but it's accurate to what the llama3 model gives me

[lyric mountain]

See what's the encoding declared in <head> tag

Or perhaps, this is a restored post

[surreal sage]

charset="utf-8"

[lyric mountain]

If they didn't pay attention to what the original encoding was, a backup restore can mess it up

Happened a lot on devmedia

Such that older posts are nigh unreadable

For example, if your backup was utf8 but your new database is ascii

[surreal sage]

i give up 😭

[lyric mountain]

Or windows-1512, which is default in some dbs

[sharp geyser]

windows-1512?

wtf kind of encoding is that

[lyric mountain]

Idk the numbers

It's windows smth

[sharp geyser]

Oh I was going to say

[surreal sage]

there are a lot of them, i dont blame you

[sharp geyser]

1252

[lyric mountain]

All we need is utf8

[sharp geyser]

all we need is no encoding

:)

[surreal sage]

[sharp geyser]

windows-1251, windows-1252

why

[radiant kraken]

based

the fact that only 95-98% of webpages use utf-8 is a sin

[frosty gale]

why is there so many fucking char formats

either ascii or unicode do we need anything else

[lyric mountain]

yes, we need utf8

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, i basically have a login page, that once logged in, redirects you to the user dashboard. How can i make sure that people just won't simply visit that dashbaord html page, but that they actually need to perform the login!

[hidden gorge]

Do you use express?

[eternal osprey]

i am planning to for the backend yeah

[hidden gorge]

You can use a system called Express session

I'll send the code for it in a minute.

[lyric mountain]

you can use localstorage or cookies to keep a user session token (that has expiration)

[eternal osprey]

huh but how would that work?

[lyric mountain]

if when they access it the token is expired or non-existant, simply redirect to login page

[eternal osprey]

hmmm i see!

omg wait that's actually genius

so i assume upon login i save a session key on the database

i save it in my cookies as well.

Each action will go with the session key authentication?

[lyric mountain]

yes

that's how most sites handle authentication tbh

if you peek at cookies there'll always be a session token somewhere

[hidden gorge]

This is how i do logins:

const express = require("express")
const app = express()
const passport = require('passport');
const LocalStrategy = require('passport-local').Strategy;
const session = require('express-session');


app.use(session({
  secret: `Code_Here`,
  resave: false,
  saveUninitialized: true
}));

app.use(passport.initialize());
app.use(passport.session());

// ik its not the smartest
const users = [
  { id: 1, username: '', password: '' },
 
];


passport.use(new LocalStrategy(
  function (username, password, done) {
    const user = users.find(u => u.username === username && u.password === password);
    if (user) {
      return done(null, user);
    } else {
      return done(null, false, { message: 'Incorrect username or password.' });
    }
  }
));


passport.serializeUser(function (user, done) {
  done(null, user.id);
});

passport.deserializeUser(function (id, done) {
  const user = users.find(u => u.id === id);
  done(null, user);
});


function isAuthenticated(req, res, next) {
  if (req.isAuthenticated()) {
    return next();
  }
  res.redirect('/api_home');
}

app.post('/login', limiter, (req, res, next) => {
  passport.authenticate('local', (err, user, info) => {
    if (err) {
      return next(err);
    }
    if (!user) {
      console.log(info.message); // Log authentication failure message
      return res.redirect('/api_home'); // Redirect to the home page or wherever you want
    }
    req.logIn(user, (err) => {
      if (err) {
        return next(err);
      }
      return res.redirect('/api/backend/login/re'); // Redirect to the success page
    });
  })(req, res, next);
});

app.get('/Header', isAuthenticated, limiter, (req, res) => {
  res.render('pages/Header', { Config: config })
})

[eternal osprey]

I see, instead of using something like a cron job, can i rather just generate an expiration timestamp beforehand and check that each time to see whether the expuratuon has been hit?

[lyric mountain]

usual session length is 7 days or so

[eternal osprey]

nah i will make it daily probably.

Just thinking are there any security issues

Like i am likely going to be using mysql

[lyric mountain]

yes, simply create a table with token, user_id, expiration and calls columns

expiration will be creation + length

so if u want 1 day, creation + 24h

refresh it every time the token is used

[eternal osprey]

I'll probably have to make sure that only db request coming from the site domain are allowed, but even then... can't a hacker do mac spoofing

[lyric mountain]

so the user doesn't get logged out suddenly

[eternal osprey]

i see!

[lyric mountain]

postgres please

or at least mariadb

[eternal osprey]

i've never used them

[lyric mountain]

maria is literally mysql but working

[sharp geyser]

One thing to note there is 2 types of sessions, stateless and server-side.

Stateless you can use something like jwt tokens to sign your user's requests. Server-side saves a session token to the db and the client, the client would send that token over the request and be compared against the database.

If you are using express, you can use express-session, which has several store modules to fit whatever database you are using, and even store it in memory if you really want to. I personally recommend this approach over stateless as it has many cons to it.

Cons for stateless sessions? It is harder to invalidate them and quite frankly jwt is not meant for anything long lasting.
Pros? It expires on its own, and its harder to fake them as if you use a secret when signing them unless they have that secret they can't get much out of it.

[lyric mountain]

postgres is a bit different, but not too hard to learn

they all follow sql standards, so queries will be similar

postgres just scales better and has better fine-tuning

[lyric mountain]

the only security issue is if the user runs malicious scripts locally that hijacks the token from the cookies

[sharp geyser]

Pros for server-side is you can invalidate/revoke sessions easier since they get removed from the database and are "expired" immediately. Also allows for easier checks and you can use any storage mode you want with em.

[lyric mountain]

but that's an issue in every site

[hidden gorge]

Quick Feedback should I keep the Text All white or make it responive to the Overall System status?

[lyric mountain]

which is why discord spams your console with warnings

[sharp geyser]

That's a skill issue if you get your token hijaked

[lyric mountain]

try some highlighting color for Ro

idk ur palette

but maybe orange or smth

[eternal osprey]

Hmmm, also suppose the user tries creating an account which holds pretty important stuff, how can I safely do it over the network? By encrypting using a hash function?

[lyric mountain]

addendum, never delete tokens

[hidden gorge]

RoSearcher has an overall Blue, Black And white

[lyric mountain]

if someone abuses your api (like botting), you can identify it by how many times the token was used

cross-comparing with the timeframe

[lyric mountain]

try indigo

for Ro

[eternal osprey]

Yeah that’s true! I might do that

[lyric mountain]

tbh do store token creation date

[sharp geyser]

hm?

[lyric mountain]

so you have a start-end period

[eternal osprey]

For this though, don’t I need to create a pool of private keys on both ends of my connection pools?

[lyric mountain]

use a status column

[sharp geyser]

Ah

yea

My bad

[hidden gorge]

I'll try that

[sharp geyser]

keep tokens, internally, revoke them though by changing a status column

good idea

[lyric mountain]

tokens are your only proof if you need to ban someone for botting

[sharp geyser]

yup!

I wrote all that off memory tbh

:p

[eternal osprey]

And in the site, any keys etc will be shown in the website source code right, if I use env they won’t?

Sorry for the mad questions here but I am new to creating secure sites lmao

[sharp geyser]

You never store it in source

[lyric mountain]

there's no env on client side

[sharp geyser]

there's only local storage

that's where you store it

in a cookie

[lyric mountain]

the user token should be stored either on local storage or cookie, up to you

there's also session storage, but this one is annoying

it gets cleaned up upon closing browser

[sharp geyser]

Basic session workflow is

1. User logs in
2. Sever creates a session token and saves any needed data to the session table
3. User revisits site, that session token is sent and they stay logged in
4. Session expired or they logged out or its been revoked? They see whatever page people see when they aren't logged in

[lyric mountain]

this is my token structure for example

[eternal osprey]

I know, I rather meant suppose that I want to connect to my api, I will most likely use private keys for that. So my front end shall connect to my back end, but how do I conceal the key so it’s not visible

[sharp geyser]

btw, the session token is saved as a cookie in the browser

[lyric mountain]

I dont use time-based tokens tho

if I did I just had to add 2 columns there

[eternal osprey]

If users look at the website code

[lyric mountain]

creation and expiration

[sharp geyser]

Unless you put it in the code on the client side

then no

Session management should ALWAYS be done on the server

Even if you are using stateless

[eternal osprey]

But how can I ever authenticate from where my api was accessed? Any hacker can spoof their ip to act like the site..

[lyric mountain]

well, you cant

[sharp geyser]

Good luck with that.

[lyric mountain]

you can, however, get ip location, even if spoofed

[sharp geyser]

That's out of my jurisdiction

[eternal osprey]

Moreover, how can I then use my private keys to conceal and hash passwords etc sent to the server?

[lyric mountain]

if the ip is too far away from the last used ip (or commonly used ips), you can do something

or if the ip doesn't resolve to a valid provider

[eternal osprey]

I see, hmmm

[lyric mountain]

however, if ur going to collect and store ip you need to disclose that

with the "we collect data" banner

[eternal osprey]

Idk it seems sketchy to me suppose I want to hash or encrypt passwords and emails sent to my backend, I need public keys setup on server side which can 100% be seen by ppl. Hence how can I hide those keys? I read some articles about using env

[lyric mountain]

anything the browser can see cannot by any means be hidden

[eternal osprey]

That it hides the data

[eternal osprey]

How do people store public keys then

[lyric mountain]

read the name again

public keys

usually for keys you have a pair

the private key is only on the server

and the public key is available to anyone anytime

whenever a request is sent, the private key is used to validate the public key returned

but this is done server-side

env doesn't exist on client-side, this is specifically exclusive to server-side

since you cant see environment vars from a browser, and even if you could it'd still not be hidden to the user

at the end of the day, just try to keep client-side tokens to a minimum, a single session token is enough

anything else you do on your server, as there you can do your secret shenanigans and nobody will be able to see it

[eternal osprey]

i see

thank you so much for all the info

[lyric mountain]

also, I recommend using some formula or reversable structure for your tokens, so you can validate them

in my case I use something similar to what discord uses

unless someone gets the salt (or key) used to generate it, they cant spoof a token

[eternal osprey]

ahhhh i see

arigatoooo

Damn lets cook!!

[frosty gale]

or even use a signature honestly

then you know for sure you made a key

bit unnecessary but its a cool way of doing it

[eternal osprey]

I will just try. @lyric mountain could you test my prototype once it’s done?

I can pay you if you want

Just want to make sure my site won’t be fucked once it’s launched lmao

[lyric mountain]

dont need to be paid, but I'll have to pass, I'm not good enough at QA and been busy with some stuff lately

see if tim or waffle can do it

[sterile lantern]

for slash command options, what is the character limit on the choices provided?

[lament rock]

You mean a string option with choices? Names or values?

[sterile lantern]

names

and yeah

well in this case its auto complete

returning choices

[lament rock]

100 characters is the limit

https://discord.com/developers/docs/interactions/application-commands#application-command-object-application-command-option-choice-structure

The docs tell you

[sterile lantern]

for some reason a 70 character string is erroring

i figured it was 100 as well, but this one specific name just errors for no reason

as in it doesnt load the options

no actual errors

but when i shorten that specific name, it works

[lyric mountain]

does the name include accents?

[sterile lantern]

no

[lyric mountain]

fancy letters?

or rather, what is the name?

[sterile lantern]

(4/24/24) 5 PM ET | Host: DollieDearestt, Supervisor: lavenuh, GracefulPeaceOfGrass

83 characters

when i remove the GracefulPeaceOfGrass it works

or shorten it to Graceful

[lyric mountain]

try GracefulPeaceOfGr for a quick test

[sterile lantern]

doesnt owrk

[lyric mountain]

hm, I was considering the issue was ass

[sterile lantern]

GracefulPeac works

[deft wolf]

[lyric mountain]

well, who knows then

maybe they count total command length

[sterile lantern]

thats 75

[lyric mountain]

not only argument length

[sterile lantern]

i think the limit is 75

for some reason

[lyric mountain]

what is the full command?

[sterile lantern]

/training update <list> <card>

list is just like Thursday | April 24

yeah it seems like its 75 for some reason

[lyric mountain]

pretty near

IF they count total command length

[sterile lantern]

well this is misleading then

[lyric mountain]

oh wait, name is supposed to be the name of the param

not the value

[sterile lantern]

wdym

this is the name

[lyric mountain]

/training update <list> <card> those are names

training, update, list, card

[sterile lantern]

so what about the kv pairs

name+value

for options

[lyric mountain]

name is the name of the arg

value is the value

[sterile lantern]

is the limit for those 75 or something

i might just do the first 72 characters and append "..."

[lyric mountain]

name is supposed to be short no?

[sterile lantern]

well true

[lyric mountain]

but well, yeah ... is an easy fix

[sterile lantern]

ill just do ... because idk how long the name is

it usually is below 75 but it just depends on the username

thanks!

[surreal sage]

gotta love migrating vps and having to tarball a 50gb folder full of media uploads

lovely

[lyric mountain]

why dont you just stream it over ftp?

[surreal sage]

remote server only has a 20 mb/s connection

[lyric mountain]

ah

[surreal sage]

and new server gigabit 🫠

[surreal sage]

(and i dont know how to do this server-to-server)

[hidden gorge]

like this?

[eternal osprey]

this shit's actually making me crazy

how tf can i make that secure shit align with the above part

[sharp geyser]

That black text is not good

Barely readable

[eternal osprey]

yeah i was thinking to change it, but not sure what color though

white seems too much

[sharp geyser]

Also, it might be a padding issue so make sure you have no padding interupting

[sharp geyser]

use an off white color

Something not quite white, but not fully bright like white

[eternal osprey]

i think it;s more because that reliable part is just too big

[sharp geyser]

It looks roughly the same in text

The grid cells might just be too large width wise

or whatever you use

[eternal osprey]

i just used d-flex

<div class = "pt-5 mt-5 container-fluid d-flex flex-row align-item-center justify-content-center">

<div class="d-flex flex-column justify-content-center align-items-center">
    <i style="color:red" class="fs-1 bi bi-shield-lock-fill"></i>
    <p class="fs-4 fw-bolder">Secure</p>
    <p class="text-center w-75 fs-6">
        Guardian Bot boasts a plethora of logging and moderation commands, empowering Discord server owners with comprehensive
        control and oversight. From detailed activity logs to versatile moderation tools. All to boost more server security.</p>
</div>
<div class="d-flex flex-column justify-content-center align-items-center">
    <i style="color:red" class="fs-1 bi bi-star-fill"></i>
    <p class="fs-4 fw-bolder">Reliable</p>
    <p class="text-center w-75 fs-6">
        Guardian Bot is widely recognized for its unwavering reliability in maintaining secure and well-managed Discord
        communities. Its consistent performance ensures effective moderation, providing users with confidence and trust
        in their server's safety and stability.</p>
</div>
<div class="d-flex flex-column justify-content-center align-items-center">
    <i style="color:red" class="fs-1 bi bi-shield-lock-fill"></i>
    <p class="fs-4 fw-bolder">Versatile</p>
    <p class="text-center w-75 fs-6">
        Guardian Bot's versatility shines through with its arsenal of over 50 commands. From auto-mod tools to logging and
        leveling features, it offers a wide range of functionalities to suit any Discord community's needs.</p>
</div>
</div>```

[real rose]

the off center

[eternal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[sharp geyser]

you are using flexbox

[eternal osprey]

yuh

[sharp geyser]

Well the only thing I can think of is either A. padding issue or B. size issue

[surreal sage]

aaa im stuck on cat5e cables and i actually have to wait 5 minutes for a 45gb file to transfer to a computer 1 meter away

[eternal osprey]

i forgot to add container to it

afterwards it works lul

is it still off center...

nahhh good enough ig

[sharp geyser]

Its barely noticiable now

They'd have to nitpick

[eternal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-gif-24728828

mannnn fuck them nitpickers!!

[sharp geyser]

Also

Definitely use an offwhite color for the text

Don't leave it black

Talking about the one in the image

[sharp geyser]

That looks better

[eternal osprey]

thanks for all the help! I really really appreciate it!!!!

Front end is fun but idk i am not creative enough nor have the experience for it to fully come up with it myself

backend is where my heart really lies..

[sharp geyser]

I suck at frontend as well

[eternal osprey]

we both suck at it

[hidden gorge]

Quick question how does the updated page look?

[sharp geyser]

ima be real those logos add nothing to it

[hidden gorge]

i have been told they look good so they are staying.

[eternal osprey]

we found another one that sucks at it 😭

hahahah no jk

[sharp geyser]

Who told you this

Cause to me it looks like it will cut through the text

[eternal osprey]

what are those random floating blocks

[sharp geyser]

Which is a no go

[hidden gorge]

It's my bots logo

[quartz kindle]

try black with a white outline/stroke

[sharp geyser]

ooo that might look good as well

didnt think of that

[hidden gorge]

Do you own the bot???

No

[sharp geyser]

Don't ask for feed back bozo if you can't take it

You asked how it looked, I told you my opinion

Go back to stalking another tiktoker

[quartz kindle]

also, the 3 text blocks below, why is the right one justified and the other two centered?

that might be the reason why they are not centered, even if they have the same settings

[hidden gorge]

What..

[sharp geyser]

They are trying to line it up with the image above from what I assume

Centering it exactly where Secure lines up with that small Image ontop of the bg image

[eternal osprey]

i just had to add container and it worked

https://tenor.com/view/if-it-works-it-works-rudy-ayoub-if-it-does-the-job-that's-all-that-matters-if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it-gif-12950446603542468124

[sharp geyser]

You were scraping a tiktok page trying to get all the videos

if thats not stalking idk what is

[hidden gorge]

I was collecting data for someone

[sharp geyser]

So, stalking?

[hidden gorge]

fuck off

[sharp geyser]

Just saying, dont get so triggered when you asked for feed back

[real rose]

☝️

[sharp geyser]

or it will make people dislike you more

[hidden gorge]

ya ya

[sharp geyser]

Hello partner

[real rose]

Howdy

[sharp geyser]

You run a business right dylan

or help

[real rose]

smth like that\

[sharp geyser]

mind if we converse in dms about such topic?

[real rose]

go for it

[hidden gorge]

Also for each page I am working on aligning the objects to not interfere

[sharp geyser]

Right, but even so. It adds nothing to the site, it's just another thing to look at to be distracted by the content of the site. It'd be different if it was aesthetically pleasing to the eye and builds onto the design. Though what you have is just free floating logos. Some company sites make boxes that have floating objects around it with text or what not to give it a sort of ambiance to it and lead you to look at it and read the content (or however you describe it)

[frosty gale]

lol

[sharp geyser]

hello chloe

[surreal sage]

am i cooked for googling this

[real rose]

tar -cf

[surreal sage]

tar -xf

c = create
x = extract

🔥

[surreal sage]

what the hell is the f though

oh tar name

right

[real rose]

filename

yea

[surreal sage]

why on the extract cmd

kinda weird

❤️

[dense berry]

anyone know a good Discord Bot hoster that offers support for custom builds? I'm using pnpm/node to run the bot

[lyric mountain]

Any vps provider

Don't use bot-specific hosts

[sharp geyser]

novonode

cheap

:)

if all you want is a bot host

though if you want to host other things than just a bot, then get a real vps from like contabo

[dense berry]

holy shit novonode is actually so good... how is it so cheap?

[sharp geyser]

Cause its amazing for bot hosting and web hosting and game servers

their vps's are quite pricey but that is because they are quality

If you want more info on it ask @real rose

he's the big dawg

[radiant kraken]

what about hetzner

i've heard lots of devs recommend it as it's very reliable

[deft wolf]

I will have to move to another server because it turned out that 1TB of bandwith is not enough for my bot

Unfortunately, it is more profitable to take a server with a larger amount of bandwith by default on Datalix than to buy another terabyte of bandwith

[sharp geyser]

useful for EU servers ig

depending on what you are doing

ig the latency doesn't matter

also novonode isn't strictly a bot host, it offers other services. Which is why its able to make its bot host plans so cheap I think. They can offer the resources at those prices, because its so cheap for them to do so that other aspects of the service probably makes more money. Though dylan himself will have to comment on this as I am just speculating

[surreal sage]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

how do i not make this happen.

istg.

idk what the fuck im doing wrong

i commit

i pr to get commit onto release branch

i rebase

[surreal sage]

wazah

[eternal osprey]

Sorry what???

1tb bandwidth is not enough for your bot?

Is your bot serving nasa’s supercomputers or sum?

Like how can your bot possibly be capped out at sending 1tb of data at a single moment

[surreal sage]

bandwidth is (commonly) the outgoing data maximum

if your bandwidth is 1tb, you send a 10gb file, you have 1tb - 10gb bandwidth remaining

[deft wolf]

Exactly, my bot supports over 4,500 active subreddits, which translates into several hundred thousand posts per month

Even if it is a few kilobytes, this amounts to quite a lot of data per month

I also thought that 1TB would be enough, but I will switch to a server that offers 15TB/month and I won't have to worry about it

[eternal osprey]

I know

Still it sounds like a lot for a regular discord bot, but yeah if it’s handling large files I do understand

[surreal sage]

unmetered

[frosty gale]

bandwidth is technically the amount of data you can send over your connection over a second or period of time

hence band width

not sure what youd call the max you can send over some time though

metered limits?

but its not like people wouldnt understand you anyways

[deft wolf]

Sometimes hosting providers say "unlimited bandwidth"

These nomenclatures are strange sometimes

[real rose]

If they do, they likely have a fair usage policy that states it's only unlimited if you're not doing a bunch of stuff

Or that there's a soft limit of like 25tb for example

then you need to provide cause for anything more

[deft wolf]

I know, I know, but on the other hand, such hostings have very poor specifications, I prefer the limited 1TB to "unlimited" traffic and 2GB of RAM for the same price

I used one like this before and paid a lot more for less ram and cores than I do now

[real rose]

[quartz kindle]

yeah the correct word should be "traffic"

[deft wolf]

[lyric mountain]

well, if you mean it being behind, it's because you reverted a commit sometime

[surreal sage]

I DIDNT

i pushed a single commit

i created a pr to get that commit onto another branch

(both branches were synced before the initial commit)

and wazah

[lyric mountain]

what editor do you use?

[surreal sage]

vsc (cmd though) for push
gh site for pr

[lyric mountain]

jetbrains ides have a tree view for commits, was going to tell u to check there

but idk if vsc has it

[surreal sage]

downloading graph extension

[lyric mountain]

anyway, you either pushed with a reverted commit OR you updated the original branch sometime after pushing the pr

[surreal sage]

no

nuhuh

i didnt

it was a fresh change

i pushed

i pr'd

merged

that's the entire timeline

no other commits

[lyric mountain]

just saying the possibilities

it HAS to be one of the two

[surreal sage]

BUT IT ISNT

[lyric mountain]

git says otherwise

[surreal sage]

BEHIND BUT EQUAL

both branches are 1:1 qua code

i can barely understand this but here are some ss'

[lyric mountain]

see, there's a commit on original branch after the fork was made

[surreal sage]

that was a pr

there were 2 pr's

[surreal sage]

i see it

no wait ignore the top part

i pushed that one forcefully

cough

let me just fire up a test repo

[lyric mountain]

3 > 2, thus why original is 1 ahead of pr

but why does this even matter btw

[surreal sage]

cuz this

[lyric mountain]

ok but why do you bother with the diff status?

[surreal sage]

my autism

[lyric mountain]

once merged it wont exist anymore

if it really bothers you then nuke dev branch and create it again

[surreal sage]

im not delusional

https://github.com/ari-party/test/tree/release-branch

the tism is tism'ing

[lyric mountain]

release

main

notice that both commit hashes are different

[surreal sage]

my eyes are witnessing that the hashes are different

(i rebased)

[lyric mountain]

which means those are 2 different commits

thus 1 behind, 1 ahead

[surreal sage]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-understand-what-i-did-wrong-casey-miller-south-park-s13e13-dances-with-smurfs-gif-22861746

[lyric mountain]

it's not 2 commits, it's the same commit

github diff checker works with operation amount

how many operations would you need to make branch A reach branch B

delete commit (1 behind) -> push commit (1 ahead)

[neon leaf]

I am going insane

mfw new YieldedResponse() instanceof YieldedResponse is false

[lyric mountain]

it shouldnt even let you do this

[wheat mesa]

yeah that doesn’t make sense

[sage bobcat]

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[radiant kraken]

@lyric mountain @wheat mesa @sage bobcat

[lyric mountain]

Your js privileges have been revoked, I demand a js jail role

[radiant kraken]

[real rose]

[sharp geyser]

hello Roosa

[real rose]

greetings

[sharp geyser]

oops

this is development

💀

[real rose]

hello development

[sharp geyser]

hello developers

[radiant kraken]

hello developer

[harsh nova]

hello humans(?)

[radiant kraken]

i'm not a human

how dare you

[real rose]

rust developer != human

[radiant kraken]

frfr

[sharp geyser]

oh fuck

what are we

[radiant kraken]

we are

superhumans

[sharp geyser]

fair enough

[sage bobcat]

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[radiant kraken]

[neon leaf]

yeah so if anyone was wondering what I was talking about

basically I had a mergeclasses function

which takes in original + extra to merge with

and the merged ones would override methods of the original

and one of the original methods returned an instance of a class

which obviously got replaced by another class, same code however defined in another place

so yes

[lyric mountain]

tl;dr: you made banana not be a banana

[sharp geyser]

cmo banana

[real rose]

where's the banana for scale?

[quartz kindle]

overriding secret class methods is fun

[radiant kraken]

frfr

honestly Symbols are extremely underrated

the fact that 95% of nodejs developers gloss over them is sad

[harsh nova]

I'm one of those nodejs devs who gloss over them

[quartz kindle]

well, except for all the secret hidden methods, the other purposes they serve are pretty uncommon

[radiant kraken]

you make me sad

[quartz kindle]

i dont usually use symbols either

node uses them everyone in their source

mostly to emulate private class members

[harsh nova]

The day JavaScript actually adds typings I'm going to be so happy

[radiant kraken]

like this is actually pretty useful

[harsh nova]

Mmmm typescript without the transpilation step

[quartz kindle]

isnt there a draft for that?

[harsh nova]

I think so but getting stuff actually implemented is not the fastest

[quartz kindle]

lmao

never seen that before

hacking into the implicit inspector that runs in the repl

[radiant kraken]

bam you get Python's __repr__ or Rust's Display functionality in Node.js

[harsh nova]

That is pretty nice indeed

[quartz kindle]

well, js itself is never gonna be typed, but adding type hints for code editors without breaking the code would be nice indeed

[harsh nova]

Yeah for sure

[radiant kraken]

i'll be happy the day JavaScript gets decorators

there's a proposal for it, can't wait for it to get implemented

[quartz kindle]

i dont like decorators

[radiant kraken]

frameworks would like to disagree

[harsh nova]

I'd love if native js type hinting supported old ts code so you'd not have to rewrite anything

[quartz kindle]

i dont like frameworks

:^)

[radiant kraken]

yeah you only like tiny things tim

[quartz kindle]

i like buffers and bitfields

[radiant kraken]

same

but if you like those you should've been coding in C instead

everything is a number