development

[north cairn]

bro i cant see anything fr

i can make that in console

[lyric mountain]

Yes, it's supposed to be with console

[north cairn]

like first get the number,then get the operator,then get second number

[lyric mountain]

Yes

Then do more complex stuff

A snaker game is a really nice project

Yk, the snake that has to eat apples and avoid its body

[north cairn]

oh yeah that

does not that include animation

taht possible in js?

[lyric mountain]

I do it in every lang that I start

[quartz kindle]

yes, using canvas

or svg

[lyric mountain]

Even console tbh

[quartz kindle]

yes even console

[lyric mountain]

Just need to clear it on every frame

[quartz kindle]

remember that telnet link

that plays the entire star wars movie in your terminal

with ascii

telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl

lmao

[north cairn]

on the internet,i only find snaker games with web dev

[lyric mountain]

The concept is the same on every lang

Arrays + recursion

But that's just an example, you can come up with any project u want

[quartz kindle]

thats also where knowledge about computer science comes in, it helps you determine the limits of each language and environment and lets you know what is possible and what is not possible

[lyric mountain]

The more you challenge yourself, the better you'll become

[quartz kindle]

become a challenjour

[lyric mountain]

Just try to avoid online help as much as you can, except for documentation ofc

Only resort to it when u become truly stuck

[north cairn]

alright thanks guys

i'll dive into javascript

[quartz kindle]

also, dont stress yourself too much

we got to where we are after many years of experience

you'll get there as well

[north cairn]

thanks!

btw you guys are web devs or application devs or what

must be doing job somewhere right?

[quartz kindle]

not really no

i work on my own personal projects, i do freelance work and i teach js part time

[north cairn]

freelance hmmm
so website slike fiverr and all?

[sage bobcat]

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[quartz kindle]

not really no

it mostly through my bot and linkedin

my area is pretty niche

astrology/astronomy programming

[north cairn]

nice

[north cairn]

astrology bot?! seems interesting

linkedin ohh

cool

let me try your bot actually

[covert ingot]

so let's say, the url is quote/quote-here then for the quote-here quote the textbox be a slightly darker colour

    if (keys.includes(req.params.id)) {
        console.log('yes' + req.params.id)
        key = req.params.id;
    } else {
        console.log('no')
    }``` I am assuming I am supposed to add something in the if the conditoon is true - however I am unsure

         <% Object.values(constants.quotes).forEach((q) => { %>
         <div class="col-6">
            <a href=""></a>
            <div class="p-3 border"><%- q %></div>
         </div>
         <% }); %>``` for the `a href="<key here>"` i am unsure on how to match the `object.value` to the `object.key`

[pale vessel]

u can use Object.entries(quotes) instead

that will give both key and value in an array

[covert ingot]

Let me tryhow would I display?

[pale vessel]

Object.entries(constants.quotes).forEach(([key, value]) => {

[covert ingot]

that works - thank you

[quartz kindle]

css is done on the browser side, with css+html

for example, you already have a class p-3 and border in your div element

you can change the color style for one those classes

or create a new class and add it to the div

and set the color for that class in your stylesheet

[sage bobcat]

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[quartz kindle]

whose balls?

[covert ingot]

thats the problem im running into now - how can I check the /quote/this-here and add the css to the correct div

[quartz kindle]

you can add a custom class to the div

or add an inline style

<div class="p-3 border" style="color:<%- colorvarfromjsside %>"><%- q %></div>

[covert ingot]

yh but then it'd change all the colour? not the specific one though right?

      <div class="row gy-5">
         <% Object.entries(constants.quotes).forEach(([k, q]) => { %>
         <div class="col-6">
            <div class="p-3 border">
               <a class="quote" href="<%- k %>"></a>
               <%- q %>
            </div>
         </div>
         <% }); %>
      </div>``` this is how it is looking now

[deft wolf]

Specific one

[covert ingot]

Ah

Let me try

[quartz kindle]

you will need to define which colors for which quotes in your quotes data

and specify a variable for them

[covert ingot]

thats what I am struggling to do, how would I go about doing that?

[quartz kindle]

theres a ton of ways to do that

for example, you already have a quotes object

{
  abc: "my abc quote"
}

you can simply make the quote an object so it can have multiple values

and add a color to each quote

{
  abc: {
    quote: "my abc quote",
    color: "#ee44ff"
  }
}

of course, since you're changing your structure, you will need to adapt your code accordingly

[quartz kindle]

you're using Object.entries(constants.quotes).forEach(([k, q]), which means the variable k is the key in the object, ie "abc", and the variable q is the value of that key, whcih before was "my abc quote" but now its { quote: "my abc quote", color: "#ee44ff" }

so instead of using q directly, you will now need to use q.quote or q.color

[earnest phoenix]

i keep getting "Authentication failed" from mongo even though my creds are correct?

[frosty gale]

unless mongodb is trolling you theyre probably not correct

or your syntax is incorrect

i assume youre trying to connect to mongodb atlas?

[earnest phoenix]

no

[earnest phoenix]

not sure, they are based on how i configured it via ptero i think

[frosty gale]

pterodactyl?

[soft laurel]

When it comes to sharding, is it pretty simple to implement this in k8s? I'm thinking 1 shard per Pod. Curious what other people have done or if this is overkill

[lament rock]

There isnt really anything special with sharding. If your gateway logic is simple enough, you can implement cluster logic and make use of multiple cores or push the single core to the limit. Depending if you need message events then spreading more would be beneficial

[soft laurel]

My question makes it seem like I know more about it then I do lol, when you say the gateway logic, I'm hearing a seperate service to handle the incomeing requests that get forwarded to the appropriate shard. I'm using the JDA library to implement the discord bot.

[lament rock]

Idk if jda is just monolithic, but the idea to not be monolithic if you want to spend less on servers and have your logic separated into where it makes sense like gateway and worker logic

[soft laurel]

ah I gotcha

I've been looking through JDA and it sounds like it's more monolithic. But i'm hearing ya

It's not worth it to me to implement the discord API myself lol. Thanks for the advice

[earnest phoenix]

yes

and also

here's a live issue of this happening

and hence this happens in node

even though it doesn't happen in compass

[storm kernel]

sharding is simply your bot telling discord that you want some subset of connections/servers

you can run anyof your shards on any hardware anywhere so, so using a k8s pod per shard makes sense

[quartz kindle]

the problem is sharding across different machines takes a lot of orchestration and synchronization

rest rate limits need to be centralized, shard connection statuses also need to be centralized and correctly queued

[storm kernel]

Uhhh, I don't think that's the case

Pretty sure one can think of each "shard" of your bot as completely independent from each other

[quartz kindle]

yes, the shard itself

but not the rest api, and not the login sequence

ie, how many shards can login at once, and which shards

which is important when handling reconnections

for small bots its fine, since you can ignore and retry

but for big bots you wont be able to ignore such things

[storm kernel]

ah, the max_concurrency field on start?

[quartz kindle]

yes

[storm kernel]

guess i've never had a bot get large enough to care about that haha

but even more reason you could build out in k8s to make some of that inter-shard communication 🙂

[quartz kindle]

max_concurrency works in buckets, so for example if you have 160 shards with max_concurrency 16, you can login shards 0-15 concurrently, but not shards 0,16,32,...

if shard 16 disconnects, you need to check if shard 0, 32, 48, 64, ... are connecting before you reconnect

so you need to have some central server to handle that part

[earnest phoenix]

uhhhhh why?

lol isn't this optional?

[warm surge]

oooo

free mongodb jk

[stark abyss]

Is fire base config considered environment variable or not? I am so confused

Like the API key, etc

[earnest phoenix]

lol only a test install

[sturdy shuttle]

uh

[civic scroll]

yes, if you set one up locally

[tulip ledge]

I'm trying to generate best case array for quicksort, this is the code I'm using:

fn make_median(arr: &mut [i32], lo: usize, hi: usize) {
 if lo >= hi {
   return;
 }

 let mid = lo + (hi - lo) / 2;
 arr.swap(mid, lo);

 make_median(arr, lo + 1, mid);
 make_median(arr, mid + 1, hi);
}

The initial array given is a sorted array. It should give the best case input for quicksort but I have a one off somewhere
For a length of seven it generates the array [3, 2, 1, 0, 5, 4, 6] which when used quicksort gives:
[2, 1, 0] 3 [5, 4, 6]
The second array is correct and can be split into [4] 5 [6]
But the first gets split into [1, 0] 2 [] when it should be [0] 1 [2]

The correct array should thus be [3, 1, 2, 0, 5, 4, 6]

[tulip ledge]

Fixed it, I shouldn't return if lo >= hi. I should return when the size of the slice between lo and hi is smaller than 3

[harsh aspen]

Hello tim, just to inform you that intel cpus is better than that Ampere (ampere doesnt even have AVX)

[lyric mountain]

ok, does anyone here know how to work with godot? specifically godot 3

[harsh aspen]

why huh

[lyric mountain]

wait, writing context lmao

[harsh aspen]

for discord activity?

godot 4 is better

[solemn latch]

omg make your game use discord activities

[harsh aspen]

you are slow bro

[lyric mountain]

I'm trying to connect to value_changed signal of Slider, which I need to pass 2 additional parameters

however

Error calling method from signal 'value_changed': 'Control(Settings.cs)::_SliderValueChanged': Method not found..

[lyric mountain]

does not compile to web when using c#

and I'm not going to use a python-like language

yikes

[harsh aspen]

4.3 does I guess

[lyric mountain]

doesn't

else I'd not be backporting my 4.3 code back to 3.6

[pale vessel]

kuylar moment

[lyric mountain]

I'll get an earlier commit of my repo to try it, brb in a sec

[lyric mountain]

the buttons are grayed out

4.3.dev5

[harsh aspen]

ouch

maybe because of C#

bad luck

[lyric mountain]

yes, that's why I resorted to 3.6

iirc it's due to c# wanting to have .net as entrypoint, but godot uses something else

anyway, need to figure out how to connect this method to the signal

[lyric mountain]

my actual intention is to port my tcg to activities

but first I'm porting my ship game to get experience with godot

[lyric mountain]

solved it

stupid cause, the node path was wrong

anyway, now the code is fully ported back to 3.6, time to resume what I was doing

that being the rest of the game

[harsh aspen]

nice

[north cairn]

i hosted my bot on cloudflare workers but it keeps going off as soon as i close vs code

what do i do

[neon leaf]

Are you sure you deployed it?

[north cairn]

yes i did

when i open dashboard on cloudflare

it is showing my worker there

help guyz

[north cairn]

guys help??!

it is not even repsonding to commands after i close vs code

responding*

[unborn helm]

there probably might be an error at production, things like maybe missing token maybe?? you should review cloudflare logs if there is one (i've never used cloudflare myself).

[quartz kindle]

does your bot use interactions only? or does it run a normal websocket connection?

afaik cloudflare workers only support "serverless" bots, ie bots that only use the interactions api and do not keep an active websocket connection

[dusky idol]

https://prnt.sc/84PKZStgZyzt

Why isn't the bot returning guild owner for many servers?

It works for few like mine

when i do server.owner for others it just returns none

is it because the bot got into too many servers or smth?

but it's just in 960 servers for now

[pale vessel]

damn haven't seen jishaku in a while

[dusky idol]

Awesome but thats not helping xD

[pale vessel]

guild.owner is supposed to be a member but since it wasn't cached, it probably returned None instead

pretty sure guild.owner_id exists, so fetch the member or user using that

[dusky idol]

it's not returning the id either

https://prnt.sc/P6KR-be0bkmE

[north cairn]

wdym

[deft wolf]

Try owner_id

[north cairn]

what is a wbesocket

[pale vessel]

owner_id. like i said, owner would be None

[dusky idol]

Damn man you're some angel for that

I totally overlooked _id's existence xD

[north cairn]

can someone explain what tim meant here

[dusky idol]

Well for some context the system is like

the bot goes over all server's it's inside, if the command user has bot in any of his/her server, they get an extra pull every reset

[pale vessel]

it wouldn't work if u want to receive events (e.g. messages) since that requires connecting to the gateway through websocket

[quartz kindle]

bots can work in two ways, websocket or webhooks

[dusky idol]

Well for now there's only 1000 servers, would it be bad to run this check once the bot's in a ton of servers

[north cairn]

ok?!

[quartz kindle]

websocket = bot keeps a constant connection to discord servers and receives events via this connection. this is the type that most libraries use, it requires keeping the connection online, reconnecting when it drops, dealing with shards, etc

[pale vessel]

not really, since it'll be looking through the cache and wouldn't make any API requests

unless u fetch the owner though

[dusky idol]

yeh ofc not

[pale vessel]

i don't think u need to, ID is enough right?

[north cairn]

i dont think i have shard system and my bot is not evenn in 25 servers

[dusky idol]

        for guild in self.bot.guilds:
            if guild.owner_id == ctx.author.id:
                total_pulls+=1
                break```
this is the piece

[quartz kindle]

webhook = serverless type of bot that does not require a connection. instead you give discord a specific URL in your bot's page, and discord will send web requests to your url whenever you receive an interaction event, and you respond like an API

[pale vessel]

yeah that's awesomesauce

[dusky idol]

Once I shard the bot, I'd have to do some re-write for it i assume?

[pale vessel]

don't think so

[dusky idol]

hm

[pale vessel]

u just have to run that same code on every individual shard

[north cairn]

i think i have this one(not sure)

[dusky idol]

ah aight sounds simple

[quartz kindle]

do you have an interaction webhook URL in your bot's page on discord developers?

[north cairn]

no i dont

[quartz kindle]

then you dont

[quartz kindle]

yup, the first box there

[north cairn]

i remember i saw some vid about setting this cloudflare on dc bot and he did smth about that box

but i did not tho

so what is the problem rn

bot completely is not online

[quartz kindle]

the problem is that cloudflare workers are a serverless system, that turns itself off and on based on activity

and activity comes via http requests

a normal bot does not receive http wequests, it uses websocket

so to the cloudflare worker, your bot is not active

so it turns itself off

and it will turn itself on again once activity is detected

[north cairn]

so what would the solution

[quartz kindle]

but activity can only come through http

[north cairn]

nah nah wait

[quartz kindle]

which your bot doesnt use

[north cairn]

bot is not responding to commands

once i close vs code

bot goes off

and does not responds to command

[quartz kindle]

yes, because it turned itself off

[north cairn]

so what can i do to fix

[quartz kindle]

you cant fix it

unless you change how your bot works

and depending on the features your bot has

[north cairn]

so basically cloudflare is useless for me right now

[quartz kindle]

yes

[north cairn]

hmmm,how much changes would i need

[quartz kindle]

a serverless discord bot has to be designed from stratch, first of all you wont use a noirmal library like discord.js

youd need a specific library for discord webhook interactions

[north cairn]

sighs

so all bots like dank,carl uses that

[deft wolf]

No

[quartz kindle]

then you need to have a domain and url assigned to your cloudflare workers

so that when you access that URL, it runs the worker

then you put that URL in your discord bot dev page

[north cairn]

i saw some vid as i told and he went to some website to get some endpoint as i remember

well,can i get some docs/vids
Coz yeah i want my bot online 😩

[quartz kindle]

also

a serverless bot is never "online"

because it doesnt have a connection

and there are many features it cannot use

[north cairn]

example of a serverless bot would be?

[quartz kindle]

my bot is serverless

it doesnt have the online green mark

[deft wolf]

There is Giveaway bot that is serversless I think

[quartz kindle]

it responds to interactions only

it does not receive any other type of events, and cannot access data from other events

[north cairn]

ok and if i dont want like that
i can not use cloudflare workers

[quartz kindle]

it cant even access guild count for example

so i dont know how many guilds it is exactly

i can only go by what discord reports

[deft wolf]

You need hosting

[north cairn]

i was looking for free stuff

[quartz kindle]

repl.it lol

[north cairn]

cloudflare was free so iused it

[north cairn]

500 mb it provides

[deft wolf]

Free but limited

[north cairn]

yea yea

so what u guys suggest me rn

[deft wolf]

That's enough for your first bot

But replit has its problems with rate limits

[north cairn]

bro when i am making smth,i am making with the intention to make it grow

500mb is just too less

[north cairn]

i have experienced that

[quartz kindle]

cloudflare workers give you 128mb lol

[deft wolf]

Then you need to invest and get the right hosting (paid)

[quartz kindle]

also, cloudflare workers can only be online for 30 seconds max

and have a cpu limit of 10ms

[deft wolf]

You can't create a growing bot on free hosting

[quartz kindle]

cloudflare workers are designed to run small things and only when needed, they turn themselves on when a request comes, and turn themselves off when the request is done

you cant run anything persistent on it

[quartz kindle]

google compute engine has a free vps with 1gb ram

i dont think you can find anything better for free

although you can try that oracle thing

i dont know if still exists, but they were offering free stuff up to 24gb

but they also cancel you for no reason

[north cairn]

hmm

man i am feeling i might need to leave bot dev

[deft wolf]

XD

[north cairn]

first i had memeory issues
now i have hosting issues

[quartz kindle]

what most bot devs do once their bot grows is pay for a vps

[north cairn]

yes

but i am not in Us

[quartz kindle]

5 bucks per month

[north cairn]

5 bucks in US might be some one's pocket money

[quartz kindle]

you dont need to be in the us, but you do need some form of payment

[north cairn]

5 bucks means to me

5 bucks here = 415.6

[tulip ledge]

memory issue on a discord bot? What kind of bot have you made?

[quartz kindle]

well, if you wanna stay free, either make a serverless bot, or make a cacheless bot

[north cairn]

so first thing is bot won't grow until i have some unique idea (which if is complex will require me to pay money)

[north cairn]

what are limitations to serverless bot again?

[tulip ledge]

another alternative is to buy a raspberry pi if you're not willing to rent a vps

[quartz kindle]

only slash commands and data inside slash commands is available

there is no message, member, presence, channel, etc events

[tulip ledge]

essentially you're only using the api to post your slashcommands

[north cairn]

"buy" "pay" i cant do this until i have donations

[north cairn]

bro so what is left

💀

[deft wolf]

Which are not guaranteed

[north cairn]

i wonder if dank and carl used to pay 5 bucks even when there bot was not grown and no donations

[north cairn]

riyal

[tulip ledge]

I pay 10 a month

and I get 0 donations

I got 1 40$ donation once

thats it

[quartz kindle]

they were probably already paying for hosting before they started getting donations

[deft wolf]

Same XD

[north cairn]

i cant rely on "my bot will grow"

[tulip ledge]

You shouldn't be developing bots with the intent of making money

not many bots are lucrative

[quartz kindle]

if youre making a bot for money, thats not a good idea

[north cairn]

hmm,well what else i do it for

[deft wolf]

For fun

[tulip ledge]

experience, fun, learning new stuff

[north cairn]

and i cant be in loss right

[tulip ledge]

why can't you be in loss?

[quartz kindle]

people do it for fun, for challenge, for wanting to provide a service

[north cairn]

bro i ain't some rich guy

[tulip ledge]

I've probably spent a good 500$ on hosting my bot

over the years

[north cairn]

theme and how many servers currently

[tulip ledge]

but one vps can hold multiple bots

[tulip ledge]

1 rpg bot with ~200 servers one general purpose bot with ~500 servers

I also have a couple other things on the vps

not just bots

like backends for some websites i made etc

[quartz kindle]

i used to make like 50 bucks a month from my bot, today i get like 10

[tulip ledge]

I would recommend a vps cause you'll learn a lot about managing a server aswell albeit on a low scale application

[tulip ledge]

the astronomy bot?

[north cairn]

look the thing is
i cant be in a loss coz 416 rs is smth that mean to me

[quartz kindle]

ye

[tulip ledge]

iirc there's hosts specifically for bots that charge $1-$2/month but idk how reliable they are

and u only get like 256mb of ram or something like that

[covert palm]

I made a bot to get what I consider to be a missing feature and already had an infra, which is good because right now I'm my only user

[quartz kindle]

i used google compute engine free vps for many years and as my bot grew i learned how to reduce caching and eventually make it cacheless, so ram usage was not a problem anymore

[north cairn]

"I'm my only user" famous words

[tulip ledge]

look, you shouldn't get into bots to make money

if you want to develop stuff to make money go freelance websites or something

[covert palm]

there is a free tier on Google Cloud, AWS and Oracle Cloud, you can host your bot there but make sure you don't store anything important there because they can lock your account at any time for no reason

[quartz kindle]

so of you dont wanna pay, you can learn how to make it use less resourxes so yoi can stay in the free tier for a long time

[north cairn]

i dont expect much money,but should be enough to pay for vps and all

[tulip ledge]

ah yeah oracle has free aswell

[covert palm]

the free Oracle Cloud tier is generous

[quartz kindle]

i was not paying fpr vps until my bot reaxhed like 2000+ servers

[tulip ledge]

yeah but Tim, you're on another level

[north cairn]

AWs with lambda functions

this one dev suggested me

[covert palm]

You didn't pay for a VPS until your bot reached 2k servers
I was paying for dedicated servers before I even had a bot
We are not the same

[tulip ledge]

same here haha

[tulip ledge]

haven't tried AWS problem is that AWS is like windows, once you get into the ecosystem you can't get out

[quartz kindle]

i disnt know anythoing about it at the time, i learned out of need

[covert palm]

that's about the same thing as Cloudflare Workers, it isn't meant to be used by a stateful bot

[tulip ledge]

also can't AWS charge you if you go over the limit?

I've seen some absurd bills for AWS

[covert palm]

it isn't an issue if you're fine with their ecosystem and their pricing model, let's just say that you either use the free tier or you give them tons of money, no in-between

(there is an in-between, but what I mean is bills can indeed grow a lot if you don't put limits in place)

also AWS requires quite a lot of knowledge just to understand their dashboard and the sheer amount of products they have

[north cairn]

ngl i am feeling like to leave bot dev and just develop skills for 3-4 years enough to get a job

web dev,mern uff

[covert palm]

I work with AWS because that's essentially my job, but I'm never using them for personal projects

[tulip ledge]

you won't learn without making projects

a bot is a good project to work on

problem is if you want it online 24/7 you'll need a reliable host

[north cairn]

woah u got badge of bot dev
whats ur bot dev

bot name*

[covert palm]

you can host the bot at home on a cheap computer or Raspberry Pi

[north cairn]

sed

[tulip ledge]

told them already, they don't wanna spend any money

[covert palm]

in the learning phase you don't need 24/7

[tulip ledge]

yeah but if you're, like them, only developing for making money you'll need 24/7

[north cairn]

well techinally if i see
I can make projects
and what can happen if i dont host

[earnest phoenix]

Hi

[north cairn]

btw this is my friend(we both make bots together or used to)

[tulip ledge]

but like we said earlier, especially if you don't have enough skills yet you'll want to make projects to learn

and imo a cheap vps is definitely worth it

you'll learn skills to manage your server which is essential if you're looking to get a CS job

you'll also want to learn docker and stuff like that which is also an essential tool to learn

[north cairn]

hmmm

i'll get into web dev ig

[covert palm]

make a bot that can run on your computer, you can install tools like Docker or Node.js or Python just fine

[tulip ledge]

eventually you'll fall so in love with linux that you'll ditch windows and daily drive a linux distro

[north cairn]

ik ik linux is god

(hacking)

[covert palm]

:(

[tulip ledge]

linux is not all about hacking lol

[north cairn]

bro ur bot name,say?

[earnest phoenix]

Raspberry Pi

[north cairn]

yeah but u know
linux dont need hacking
Hacking need linux

[covert palm]

once you have a working bot, come back to us and I'm sure we'll find a way to find you a VPS lol

[tulip ledge]

not necessarily

[covert palm]

I'm part of the Aperture team, it's a moderation bot, my own bot isn't verified yet

[north cairn]

lol,u wil

[covert palm]

my own bot will be verified the day I'm not its sole user

[north cairn]

👀

do some marketing when

[tulip ledge]

damn configuring a bot with yaml is a totally different approach than usually done

it's interesting

add support for toml aswell

[covert palm]

it was imagined by b1nzy, a former Discord employee, when he made rowboat

[tulip ledge]

because rust

[covert palm]

Aperture is a rowboat clone that spawned when rowboat was stopped

then it was maintained, iterated on, etc.

[tulip ledge]

interesting

[covert palm]

not sure it would be wise, I don't expect any ROI on advertising for such a niche bot

[north cairn]

JUST DO IT

[covert palm]

it's like, if you need it you'll probably find it, otherwise you have no reason to invite it lol

[north cairn]

about me-
Aperture - link
My own bot(name) - link

[covert palm]

technically it's one of the many domain names on my profile already

[tulip ledge]

"one of"

[pale vessel]

[covert palm]

I didn't even remember we had that emoji on ShareX lmao

[unborn helm]

if you are just looking to keep your bot online for now, one thing you can do is dockerize your server and host the image locally using the docker desktop app, this should keep your bot online without relying on your local development environment.

[uncut timber]

Why cant i submit my bot?

[charred nest]

#support

[lyric mountain]

bot dev is one of the least lucrative activities you can do

at best you'll break even, very very rarely you'll go positive IF the bot is popular enough

you oughta think about it as personal hobby (so you're never at loss, as you're investing in yourself) or you'll jump out of it

also I saw you mention web dev, I have bad news for you lul

[north cairn]

"that requires hosting" right?

[north cairn]

the thing is
5$ a month would be hard for me

[north cairn]

that sounds very complex

[solemn latch]

Have you thought about trying to take advantage of some referral programs?

Galaxygate has a $3 a month vps, their referral program offers 10% of whoever uses your referral link.

a hanful of people using your refferal link would cover that $3 a month.

I just list my referral link in my discord profile and it can cover a large amount of my VPSs'

[wheat mesa]

Oracle has VPSs for free

Just sayin

No idea why nobody ever mentions it, it’s perfect for discord bot hosting, especially if you can’t afford a “real” host

(You still need a debit card for verification purposes but no purchase is required)

[tulip plume]

pretty sure you need to add cc tho

[neon leaf]

Yep

[wheat mesa]

yes, as I said

[tulip plume]

oh, totally skipped that line

[lyric mountain]

because it's somewhat volatile

oracle might terminate your services with no previous warning

happened to me, tim aswell

[acoustic bough]

oracle is fun if you want to live dangerous

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, i have used mysql to create my program. Could someone enlighten me on how to actually deploy this program to my vps?

Like, do i need to install mysql client on the vps as well and run the localhost database or,..?

[lyric mountain]

you created a program that uses mysql as a database, I suppose

or did u manage to make a program with mysql lul

anyway, install mysql as you did in your local machine, then run the ddl there

[eternal osprey]

hahaha no sorry i used mysql as my dbms for my program

[lyric mountain]

or dump the db and restore there

[eternal osprey]

i see

[lyric mountain]

there's no mysql client, only mysql

[eternal osprey]

 connect() {
    const connection = mysql.createConnection({
      host: "localhost",
      user: "root",
      password: "pass",
      database: "BackupBot",
    });

    connection.connect((error) => {
      if (error) {
        console.error("Error connecting to database: ", error);
        return;
      }
      console.log("Connected to MySQL database");
    });
    this.#connection = connection;
  }```

this is how i connect tot the database, it's bound to my user account. Should i just keep this configuration and dump the code onto the vps? From there on load it and it should work??

[lyric mountain]

you want to host the database there or on your pc?

[eternal osprey]

on my vps

[lyric mountain]

then you can keep those configs

since localhost will become your vps

[timber hatch]

does anyone know how to access auth js session serverside?

[eternal osprey]

aha i see

awesome, will test my database and deploy i guess! Thank you!

[eternal osprey]

i btw recently discovered that js supports classes as well? That's so cool

[lyric mountain]

been a while, tho people are switching back to functional js again nowadays

personally I'll always use classes, they're much more intuitive imo

[wheat mesa]

Generally speaking this doesn’t happen very often. I’ve only ever seen that happen to you guys

I’ve never had a problem with them

But the only thing I’ve used them for is hosting a discord bot

I must say though their 2fa is dogshit and it got me locked out of my VPS, and I’m too lazy to contact support to login to my account

[eternal osprey]

much much

i love java mainly for its classes and such

tho i have never used api's with java, is it easy?

Packages as a whole seems really hard compared to nodejs

[lyric mountain]

depends on how vanilla you want to go

barebones http request is extremely verbose, but on the other side of the spectrum there's stuff like okio, which is extremely simplified

[frosty gale]

oracle loves doing that

they also love banning you from making an oracle account for no apparent reason

and will refuse to tell you why

theyre like an ex that wont tell you what went wrong

[solemn latch]

You didnt pay enough

They're the gold digger ex that wont tell you you're too poor

WELL LOOK AT ME NOW ^-^

[frosty gale]

oddly specific bro 😭

[quartz kindle]

that sounded like a confession

[sly turret]

banned for existing? sounds like a thing oracle could do

[eternal osprey]

let botInfoEmbed = new EmbedBuilder()
            .setColor(embed["color"] || "DarkButNotBlack")
            .setFooter({ text: `${embed["footer_text"]}` })
            .setTitle(`${embed["title"]}`)
            .setDescription(
              `> *Original embed sent by <@${message["message_author_id"]}> at ${message["message_timestamp"]}:*\n\n${embed["embed_description"]}.`
            )
            .setTimestamp();

this is the embed["color"]: 2895667
Uncaught DiscordjsError TypeError [ColorConvert]: Unable to convert color to a number.
how is this possibl

djs accepts numbers as color right?

[sterile lantern]

youre not providing a number

|| "DarkButNotBlack"

[eternal osprey]

i am

[sterile lantern]

"darkbutnotblack" is not a valid color

im assuming its using that

[eternal osprey]

it's a valid string representation that is accepted by setColor

[sterile lantern]

oh right djs accepts certain ones

hmm

[eternal osprey]

and embed["color"] has a number.

so it will not use the rhs of the or

[sterile lantern]

when u print embed["color"] you get that number (2895667) right

[eternal osprey]

yu

[sterile lantern]

hmm

maybe force it as a number?

[eternal osprey]

it already is an Int

[sterile lantern]

or see what the type is of embed["color"]

ah

[eternal osprey]

apparently you were right lmao

I forgot my database stores the color as a varchar

[quartz kindle]

haha nub

[eternal osprey]

hey guys, to host a website, we can practically do it for free using free certificates and hosting right?

I hosted some before and i paid a lot for domain names and stuff

but certbot is a free Certificate Authority, does it also provide webnames?

[solemn latch]

like domain names?

certbot just provides certs, it doesnt provide the domain.

I think theres two ways to go about it.

Pay for hosting, youll often get a free domain with it. Or pay for a domain and use github pages or some other free static site host for free hosting.

I dont think free domains are a thing anymore from anyone unless you're paying for something else.
Ie paying for hosting.

[frosty gale]

certbot isnt a certificate authority but its a tool which allows you to generate a free certificate from letsencrypt which is a free ca

[frosty gale]

i believe you can still get some free domains but your choice is limited to some and from shady sources

like .ga

but idk about 2024

[solemn latch]

Well, freenom was shutdown

[frosty gale]

i pay for all my domains now

good that place was shady and exploiting

[solemn latch]

because they had so many phishing domains and whatnot they no longer are allowed to provide domains.

[frosty gale]

but it did provide free domains

[solemn latch]

They loved to wait until your site blew up, then take away your domain and make you pay a large fee to get it back

Thats how they made money.
Free domains, if you were the one in a million that grew they would hold you and your domain hostage

At least imo

[frosty gale]

actually yeah freenom must have been paying for the domains indirectly

because icann at least charges a fee for allocating the domain

are there websites which let you get a subdomain at least for free?

i know you have glitch but i dont think you can use their domains without hosting on their platgorm

[solemn latch]

Yeah, but they are typically application based.

[frosty gale]

thats a gap in the market then

but how would it make money

[solemn latch]

https://js.org is a good one

[frosty gale]

yeah i thought of that but they dont let you use it for everything

has to be connected to js in some way

and have decent content for an audience

[solemn latch]

Yeah, those are typically the kinds of requirements you have to meet.

I dont think anyone really wants to provide subdomains unless you use their service, or you are doing something that they want you to(like js.org for things related to js)

[eternal osprey]

owh i thought certbot was a CA lmao

how are these CA's selected btw

like an authority that deems a website as secured... i suppose not everyone can claim the role of a ca right

[frosty gale]

i believe becoming a ca is pretty difficult

you have to number one make a business that can release certificates

then you need to convince browsers and tools to trust you as a certificate authority

the whole thing is based off of trust

[solemn latch]

I imagine the process is somewhat like getting your own tld. If I wanted to make a .woo tld its crazy hard and expensive

[frosty gale]

i would imagine its mostly the trust part thats tricky and getting browsers and operating systems to add your certificate authority as trusted

anyone can make a custom certificate authority with openssl

[eternal osprey]

i see that's really interesting

i always figured how a CA was setup

[frosty gale]

and one incident like leaking your master certificate authority private key thats used to sign certificates under your ca is enough to ruin that hard earned trust and get you taken off every trusted list

i believe that has happened to CA's before

so they take security and keeping that stuff safe extremely seriously bc its literally their entire business

[eternal osprey]

Hahahhaha yeah i read about one company that did that

i forgot the name

[frosty gale]

yeah and you have to remember a trusted CA has the power to forge fake certificates that can impersonate to be websites like google.com and have your browser show the site up as "secured and non tampered" so they need to be very trusted

[solemn latch]

I'm pretty trusted

right?!?

[frosty gale]

by the way the only exception to that rule is if the government like NSA/FBI asks you to make a fake certificate for them

i believe theyve done that before

[eternal osprey]

what i don't get is why don't all browsers just use one single monopoly ca. That way you always know it's to be trusted. Like the whole thing about security and trust in my opinion is, the less it's spread over different companies that manage such important things the more secure but i could be very very wrong

[frosty gale]

this is why we actually dont trust hardware encryption (like TPM's and hardware drive encryption) in our security consultant laptops because they often contain backdoors which can be used by the gov or an attacker or an insider

[frosty gale]

not sure actually i believe its down to the history

internet is supposed to be free and decentralised to an extent

if you had one CA that can only give out certificates youve given them control of the internet to an extent

and they can make a dangerous monopoly like charging extreme rates for certificates

[eternal osprey]

ahh yeah i see ofc

[brazen crystal]

Whenever I go to the site to vote, it says application error (see browser console for more information). What is the reason for this?

[dusky idol]

Can someone recommend me a solid bot hosting which doesn't have resource charges or such?
Currently I use railway to host the bot, it's awesome for 5$ plan but it's like 5$ + network usage charges.
For network as my bot uploads images to discord in many-many commands, I believe the charges are a bit too high. It asks me to pay like 5$ for hosting + 80$ for network charges monthly?!?!
Is there a way or some different hosting to avoid that?

[deft wolf]

Any VPS

The least I was able to observe was 1TB of data transfer per month, which is still more than any bot needs unless it sends hundreds of photos a day

Personally, I think this offer without setup fee is very attractive (contabo)

[dusky idol]

Sounds awesome, another little trouble! Usually my close friend or you can say project admin does the payment as my card doesn't support international payments.
Regardless of whatever hosting I choose, I'd have to ask him to do the payment. Is there a way on this one to conduct it or such? Like maybe a gift feature/buy for someone else etc.
Usually I just give them my railway log-in details to buy the host on account as it shares minimum information.

[eternal osprey]

what??

[deft wolf]

Oh, I'm not sure about that, but I assume you can use the same method on contabo. You don't have to provide any real data there either, no one probably checks it anyway

[quartz kindle]

happened to me as well, discord seems to block a lot of messages that contain suspicious numbers, that resemble phones or ids

[eternal osprey]

i see

sparkedhost is so fucking shit

i cannot connect to my mysql database

it's so annyoing

they don't even provide console access, only logging?

[quartz kindle]

is connecting to localhost, is the db installed in the same system?

[quartz kindle]

is it one of those pterodactly thingies?

[real rose]

bro

you literally

could not be anymore accurate

however, it's topgg blocking them, not discord in general We get a ridiculous amount of phone number whatsapp scams so we have to block them unfortunately

[quartz kindle]

yeah well its topgg rules, but its discord's system doing the detection and blocking right? xd

[real rose]

I think we customised the regex a bit because we had a lot of people bypass the default one

but yeah without automod this place would be like the trenches

[surreal sage]

why is it blue

😭

[real rose]

yeah mines th esame, wasn't sure if that was me or not

[neon leaf]

dam

[dense veldt]

Quick question. Is it worth rewriting a whole bot after not touching it for a while and having gained more experience?

[sly turret]

what would be the best way to host an api? mainly searching for easy scalability without needing to spend hundreds of euros into a single server if my api gets and does tens of thousands of requests a day

[sly turret]

if u want to, yeah

[hard radish]

I am a 🤓

[sly turret]

to reinforce and use your experience

[spark flint]

hetzner

[dense veldt]

like, the last time i rewrote it i tried to keep it clean but it still looks so ugly. for example: ```javascript
public static async SendNewArticleToAllGuilds(bot:Client)
{
await this.getFullArticleData()
await delay(2000)
var image = FullArticleData.image
var title = FullArticleData.title
var secondTitle = FullArticleData.secondtitle
var date = FullArticleData.date
var link = FullArticleData.link

    var guildIds = bot.guilds.cache.map(guild => guild.id);

    guildIds.forEach(guild =>{
        try
        {
        var Rguild = bot.guilds.cache.get(guild)
        if(Rguild?.channels.cache.find(channel => channel.name == "riot-games-news"))
        {
            var channel1 = Rguild?.channels.cache.find(channel => channel.name == "riot-games-news")
            var embed = new MessageEmbed()
            .setColor("#eb3434")
            .setTitle(title)
            .setDescription(secondTitle + "\u200B" + " [Read the full article](" + link + ")")
            .setImage(image)
            .setTimestamp()

            if(Rguild.me == null) return
            if(channel1?.permissionsFor(Rguild.me)?.has("SEND_MESSAGES") && channel1.permissionsFor(Rguild.me).has("VIEW_CHANNEL"))
            {
                if(channel1.type == "GUILD_TEXT")
                {
                    try {
                        channel1.send({embeds: [embed]})
                    } catch (error) {
                        console.log(error)
                    }
                }
            }
        }
        } catch (error)
        {
            console.log(error)
        }
    })
}```discord.js btw

the await delay(2000) 💀

[civic scroll]

is this

uergh

var????

[dense veldt]

wait, is this bad practice?

[civic scroll]

yes

var bleeds

use let if you mutate

or const if you plan to only assign once

[dense veldt]

whats the problem with var?

[sly turret]

do you recommend a server in particular? all is need to do is execute bun and pray that nothing dies

[spark flint]

Depends on your budget

[sly turret]

it’s for an enterprise

budget doesn’t matter that much

[spark flint]

I recommend their dedicated servers, I host an api handling 250k requests a day there and it’s fine and fast

35eur a month for 64gb ddr4 ram, 8core i7, 1tb ssd dedi

It’s under server auction

[dusky idol]

Ello ello more issues!
I finally bought a hosting and it's working fine for most text commands.
The commands that build a connection to database are very-very slow. I believe its because the location of my database is set to India and my hosting is set to Texas US.

How can I change location of my mongodb database?
I tried doing it but the "review changes" button doesn't highlight or anything https://prnt.sc/URhiWc4Af0Aj

[sly turret]

oh yeah that does look good

what about scalability?

[spark flint]

You can easily get more than one and use Hetzner load balancing

Same with their vps servers

[sly turret]

good to know

[spark flint]

If you’ve got a choice, Cloudflare load balancers all the way

[sly turret]

i’ll note that, thank you!

[spark flint]

It’s balanced at DNS level so higher availability

Np

[sly turret]

cf for sure yeah

[civic scroll]

your whole code becomes

public static async SendNewArticleToAllGuilds(bot: Client) {
   const { image, title, secondTitle, date, link } = await this.getFullArticleData();
   for (const guild of bot.guilds.cache) {
        if (!guild.me)
            continue;
        
        const channel = guild?.channels.cache.find(channel => channel.name === "riot-games-news");
        if (channel?.type !== "GUILD_TEXT")
            continue;

        const perms = channel.permissionsFor(guild.me);
        if (!(perms.has("SEND_MESSAGES") && perms.has("VIEW_CHANNEL")))
            continue;

        const embed = new MessageEmbed({
            color: "#eb3434",
            title,
            secondTitle: `\u200B [Read the full article](${link})`,
            image
        }).setTimestamp();
        
        channel
            .send({embeds: [embed]})
            .catch(console.error);
    }
}

[civic scroll]

https://javascript.info/var

also use === for strict comparison

== will attempt type conversion which may result in undesired behaviour

also your code looks like typescript

[dense veldt]

it is

i recently noticed that my code in production wasnt compiled to js but was still running as typescript

[civic scroll]

it is compiled

or transpiled

depends on runtime

if you are debugging, there is a good chance that the transpiled code is mapped into source code

[dense veldt]

const { image, title, secondTitle, date, link } = await this.getFullArticleData();```honestly, stuff like this i cant wrapp my head around

[civic scroll]

object destructure syntax

[dense veldt]

does it just extract the props of the object with the same name into equally named variables?

[civic scroll]

yes

you can compare this with your original code
see what changes are interesting

i made a few optimisations as well

[dense veldt]

for (const guild of bot.guilds.cache)```so this puts all the guilds into the guild var one by one and then you just check if its the current guild and continue?

[dense veldt]

Quick question. Where do i change the icon of my bot on top.gg so not the discord app

[pale vessel]

edit your bot description and click refresh data on the bot page

[dense veldt]

ah thx

[short lynx]

can anyone help me build a discord bot, I just need some guidance

[quartz kindle]

what are you having trouble with?

[short lynx]

just want some guidance on how i would go about starting something specifically

[frosty gale]

do you know any code or programming?

like javascript/python/etc

[short lynx]

yes

js

[quartz kindle]

good

a discord bot is made by creating a connection to the discord api

if you already know js, then you must be familiar with node.js and the npm ecosystem

there are many libraries on npm that will handle discord's connection for you

so pick one, install it with npm, then create a bot in the discord developers page, get the bot's authentication token

then create a js file, require the discord library and login to your bot using the bot's token

check the library's documentation to see how to use it

[acoustic bough]

how do I create a file

[quartz kindle]

most should provide plenty of examples

[short lynx]

i know how to create one, I just want to scrape a database and constantly have it scrape so it always updates, andd then i want that information to be accessible by a user by asking a bot a question about it

@quartz kindle

[acoustic bough]

then connect to the database and query it

[quartz kindle]

the discord api will send you events through the library of your choice

you listen to those events, for example a message event, or an interaction event for slash commands

and depending on the contents of the message you receive, you respond accordingly

generally the workflow is as follows (for slash commands):

1. create and register a slash command with the discord api (can be done with code using the library)
2. code an interaction event handler to receive interaction events
3. code it so that if the interaction is a slash command and matches the command you created before, it runs a specific function
4. code your function to connect to said database and query the information
5. once you have the information in a variable or so, send it to discord by replying to the slash command you received earlier

[short lynx]

okay thank you

[frosty gale]

oddly enough filesystems dont provide a way to create a file

you have to create a file by writing to it

or opening it

in append mode*

[quartz kindle]

dont you technically "open" an nonexisting file?

[frosty gale]

yes but not all modes create a file if not exists upon opening so you probably need to also do a write

its complicated

i think the intention is you wouldnt usually just create an empty file and leave it at that, youd wanna write to it right after

they want you to do it all in one go instead of making an empty file then writing to it

[acoustic bough]

well it makes sense

[civic scroll]

no, that loops over all guild objects in bot.guilds.cache and puts the item of each iteration onto guild

check if its the current guild
your original code didn't do that
if you want that, then the loop wouldn't even exist

bot.guilds.cache.get(InteractionSourceOrMessageSource.guild.id);

[dense veldt]

btw how do you paraphrase?

[quartz kindle]

also you can create virtual/temp files

ie mmap, socket

[civic scroll]

hi timmit

[quartz kindle]

hi sayu

css jail

[civic scroll]

what do you mean by that

[civic scroll]

what does my constellation mean

[quartz kindle]

nothing

[civic scroll]

> [message]

[civic scroll]

😔 thought libra has something special

[quartz kindle]

western astro's signs are not linked to constellations

[civic scroll]

oh

[quartz kindle]

the sign means stuff, but the constellation doesnt

exdee

[civic scroll]

i'm silly

[quartz kindle]

indian astro does use constellations tho

[lament rock]

anyone made any activities yet?

[quartz kindle]

i havent done anything discord related in years

lmao

[lament rock]

wetf

nobody uses etf otherwise

[quartz kindle]

i mean sure, but its not stricttly discord related

lmao

[lament rock]

No work to tiny discord?

[quartz kindle]

unfortunately not

need to prio my api

[frosty gale]

fake imposter files

did you know the /tmp directory on newer versions of the linux kernel is usually purely memory based

the entire directory is stored in a ram filesystem and doesnt touch the disk

windows take notes instead of having a dumping ground for applications to write their "temporary" files using up your ssd erase cycles and not cleaning up after as well

[wooden oyster]

Hello everyone

I want to start making a Discord bot. Programming language weth. Javascript

What are your tips and advice?

[earnest phoenix]

read some of the opensource ones on git.

[quartz kindle]

ye

[quartz kindle]

pick one of the many available discord libraries on npm

and read their documentation

[lyric mountain]

don't

trying to understand someone else's codebase will make it look much harder than it is, and will only confuse you

it's hard enough to do so when you work with that, imagine as a complete newbie

just spend a few weeks studying and learning what is programming and doing a few minor project, THEN attempt a bot, you'll get one running without much hassle

[frosty gale]

i dont do that because otherwise ill accidentally copy their project and their design decisions

i wanna make my own project

[real rose]

honestly

[quartz kindle]

me when reading someone else's code on github:
wtf is this? dafiq are thehy doing here? why is this here? which dumbfuck did this?

[sharp geyser]

especially if its djs code base

I looked at their code base to understand better on how to make my library

it was pain

idk how the contributors do it

[real rose]

drunk @harsh nova commits

standard practice

[harsh nova]

My drunk code is some of my best work

[sharp geyser]

when you dont code its your best work

[sharp geyser]

btw ima fry you up soon

been on the hunt for some natural salt

[lyric mountain]

Djs, the only project where you leave with less knowledge than you had before

[real rose]

i laughed

p funny

the jump from d.js > raw javascript is wildd

[solemn latch]

The embed builder was actually really easy to understand.

Validations are done reasonably well.

[sharp geyser]

none of which are important to a lib

that is just add-ons

the gateway stuff is super annoying

[solemn latch]

Discords gateway is kinda complex, so discordjs's implementation is pain I bet

[sharp geyser]

the gateway isn't very complex

I just feel they implemented it poorly and overengineered it

not to mention they inheritence is a shit show

One class has a 3-4 layer inheritence

[solemn latch]

👀 I feel like this is pretty complex for a gateway no?

[sharp geyser]

no?

its simple to implement

its by far the easiest thing to do

[solemn latch]

indentify and resume is simple to implement? 👀

[sharp geyser]

imo

yea?

why not?

9 times out of 10 discord tells you when you need to resume a connection or re-identify e.g establish a new one

so its not very hard to do so.

Also in cases where they don't its better off to start a new connection

I wish I had an old repo of mine

the only annoying thing is handling rate limits on the gateway, making sure you aren't spamming it but

[solemn latch]

I've never tried to work with the gateway directly, it just seems really complex to do it properly.

Especially in the case of a library

[sharp geyser]

if you make discord bots its something I always recommend someone trying at least once

[solemn latch]

Large bots that use off the shelf libs like djs end up running into problems with connection limits.

Realistically a lib should be exposing(and accepting) resume data right?
Like I should be able to restart a shard and provide resume data directly into djs.

"should" meaning in an ideal world

[sharp geyser]

I mean

[sharp geyser]

Regarding this, from my experience with the gateway (which isn’t a whole lot) it’s not ideal to willy nilly resume connections. In some cases it’s not ideal to resume a connection. Discord usually tells you whether you should or shouldn’t and when they don’t it’s ideal to start a new connection all together

So libs that handle sharding for you like djs are perfectly fine how they are

[humble gyro]

not really

wait FUCK

[humble gyro]

not really

its just

[sharp geyser]

The biggest qualm with libs like djs is that they are meant to be beginner friendly and not meant for large scale bots in a lot of cases. Using your own lib lets you control what you’re actually doing and in turn be a little more memory efficient

[humble gyro]

an auth handshake and an event loop

connect -> identify -> setup heartbeat -> start event loop

[sharp geyser]

Djs tacks on a bunch of overhead due to their useful features that make it easy to interact with the api and gateway

[humble gyro]

on error -> <is recoverable?> --yes--> resume
                              --no--> reconnect

here

i have docs in my gateway for this

[sharp geyser]

Yup

And djs usually tells you if it’s recoverable

If not you always reconnect

[humble gyro]

ye

[sharp geyser]

Don’t assume a connection is resumeable

[humble gyro]

i mean

you can also just like do it

and then reconnect if it fails

[sharp geyser]

Yes but why waste time

[solemn latch]

Which is the way the discord dev docs tell you to iirc

[sharp geyser]

Starting a new connection doesn’t hurt

[humble gyro]

YOUR TOKEN HAS RESET

[solemn latch]

Classic mimu

[sharp geyser]

Wym fool

[solemn latch]

(which is where this question comes from)

If you hit a connection limit you get your token reset iirc

The 1000 a day or something

[sharp geyser]

Well yea

But 9/10 you won’t be able to resume anyway

I guess it doesn’t hurt to try

But at the same time I’ve not run into a case where it successfully resumes if discord hasn’t told me it can

[solemn latch]

I just don't see why libs don't allow you to stop a shard disconnect it, provide the resume info, then resume it. Or maybe they do I've been so disconnected from discord libraries for so long.

[sharp geyser]

They don’t

Cause there’s no reason to

What reason could you possibly need to resume yourself?

[solemn latch]

Tbh, I feel like it's the opposite.

Why would you ever want to not resume?
Resume includes all your missed events.

So any time things go down on your end you can resume.

A buggy shard can be stopped and resumed and likely lose no events.
Bot restarts, resuming is a better solution.
Even weird things, like temporarily moving shards to another server could be done.

A "rolling" update that resumes to prevent event loss

Idk, there's a lot of interesting things people could do if it was an option.
Someone out there would find something intriguing to do if it was more accessible to the developer.

[quartz kindle]

libs dont do this because of their caching

resume on restart requires the cache to be offloaded and reloaded

or stored off-process

which most libs dont do

[earnest phoenix]

Hello

[deft wolf]

🤔

[timber hatch]

this is very bare bones testing before i implement fully... but i'm attempting to
make request to generate pdf on nextjs client side -->
send request from nextjs backend to bot api to generate pdf -->
generate pdf bot side and return binary to nextjs backend -->
return binary from nextjs backend to nextjs frontend and download the pdf

now it downloads the pdf but the content of it is empty despite setting the page content to have stuff in it on the bot api? can anyone help pls

bot api route: https://pastebin.com/qbU9mzFp
nextjs api route: https://pastebin.com/mfv2L6SA
nextjs frontend: https://pastebin.com/CBAy2QHR

[quartz kindle]

did you check if the generated pdf is working?

ie, fetch it directly from the bot api, or save it locally in the bot api host then download it and open it

[timber hatch]

oh sorry should've deleted this. the issue was that the response type wasn't set to arrayBuffer

thank you anyways though

[solemn latch]

Oh interesting

[lyric mountain]

JDA allows this 😀

[solemn latch]

oo

[lyric mountain]

https://github.com/OtagamerZ/ShiroJBot/blob/master/src/main/java/com/kuuhaku/command/commands/discord/dev/ShardRestartCommand.java

Tho this code is largely outdated, I didn't make it on the new rewrite yet

[past field]

hi everyone

[solemn latch]

heya mo

[past field]

how ya doing woo?

[solemn latch]

Doing alright, same old same old ^-^

hbu?

Hows the programming journey going?

[past field]

doing good! just moved into a new house last week so been busy unpacking and setting up all this new stuff i got

[past field]

it’s going well! i’ve been studying and trying new things. starting to sorta be able to find what’s wrong with some of the coding that i’m implementing

my next goal is to set up a data base but i’m having trouble lol, gonna look for some youtube tutorials at some point today

[solemn latch]

what database are you using?

[past field]

i keep getting that sqlite is the one i should use

i just dk where to start with setting it up lol

[quartz kindle]

one thing is disconnecting and resuming while the process is running

another thing is restarting the process and directly resuming instead of creating a new connection

[lyric mountain]

Ah, i misinterpreted it then

[quartz kindle]

all libs can restart shards, but very few allow you to create a shard with resume data already included

(mine does tho xd)

[past field]

what i’m gathering is

1. install sqlite with npm install sqlite3
2. code in a connection to the sqlite database in the the bots code
3. create tables to define the structure of the database
4. perform database operations to implement the methods of using the database in the code

[quartz kindle]

better-sqlite3 is recommended over sqlite3

[past field]

will it be the same steps?

[past field]

and can it be used with discord.js v13

[quartz kindle]

no, read the docs for the lib, its slightly different usage

[quartz kindle]

yes, databases are independent from djs

[past field]

ok will do!

[frosty gale]

in consulting you see some horrific code

it becomes impossible not to judge

sometimes i think do they really pay you to write this code

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[past field]

does anyone know how in the world does emoji.gg copy emojis from a server that it isn’t in???

[sharp geyser]

Likely by using the cdn

So long as an emoji is used on discord you can get the id of it

!val_HUH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1112376582099697715.png

Then bots can use that to upload the emoji to the server or download it and send it to you (though they will likely just send the cdn link to avoid downloading it)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1112376582099697715.png

[trail crystal]

Commands are loading but do not appear in the / section

application.commands is turned on in settings

[deft wolf]

What do you mean by / section?

[trail crystal]

Slash commands do not appear in the bot

[deft wolf]

And what type of commands are these, global or per guild?

[trail crystal]

only commands that will run on a single server

[deft wolf]

Then make sure it's the right server and that you have permission to see them if they have any required minimum permissions. You can also check the integrations tab to see if they have been created at all

[trail crystal]

The bot has permissions, also available in the bot developer section.

[pale vessel]

u need to have people use the bot. the commands that appear on the profile would be the frequently used commands used by its users

[neon leaf]

why is this causing a RangeError: Out of memory?

import { number } from "@rjweb/utils"
import chalk from "chalk"
import fs from "fs"
import bytes from "bytes"

export default async function download(display: string, url: string, dest: string, overrideSize?: number | null) {
    const request = await fetch(url)

    if (!request.body) throw new Error('no body')

    const size = overrideSize ?? request.headers.has('content-length') ? parseInt(request.headers.get('content-length') ?? '0') : null,
        file = fs.createWriteStream(dest)

    let progress = 0
    for await (const chunk of request.body) {
        progress += chunk.length
        const percent = number.limit(Math.round(progress / (size ?? chunk.length) * 100), 99)

        process.stdout.write(`\rdownloading ${chalk.cyan(display)} ${percent}% ${size ? `(${bytes(progress)} / ${bytes(size ?? 0)})` : ''}      `)

        file.write(chunk)
    }

    file.close()
    process.stdout.write('\n')
}```

[sterile lantern]

i run into a bunch of errors when trying to install this package: https://www.npmjs.com/package/trello
on cf workers

i tried the node_compat stuff too and that didnt work either

[trail crystal]

Commands do not appear in the bot's profile, that's the problem

[pale vessel]

because it's not something instant

you have to wait and have users use your bot, and then discord will know what the bot's popular commands are

u have to wait

it's not a list of all commands, it's a list of most used commands. the data for that takes time to gather

[trail crystal]

How long does this take because it's been hours and still no Slash commands

[pale vessel]

could take days

and make sure that u have active users using ur bot

[quartz kindle]

its possible that the download is faster than the file is written to disk

you need to wait for writes to be flushed before you write more chunks

await new Promise(resolve => {
  file.write(chunk, () => resolve())
})

[neon leaf]

wow, I completely forgot that

thanks!

[quartz kindle]

what node version do cf workers use?

can you decide your own node version?

or are you using bun/deno?

[sterile lantern]

i dont think node js is enabled

it requires the nodejs_compat in the wrangler.toml file

but i cant do that bc its too big

idk ive imported other npm packages just fine

[earnest phoenix]

ok so
when i want to interact with my sharded mongo database, i use the config server
when i want to shard a collection, i use the mongos router?

is that ... right?

[quartz kindle]

from the looks of it, they dont use actual node.js

they use something similar, modified, or something like bun/deno under the hood

[sterile lantern]

yeah they don’t

[quartz kindle]

they require node api's to be required using the node: prefix

[sterile lantern]

but how come that is preventing me from installing that specific package

I’ve installed other ones like mongo-http just fine

[quartz kindle]

which means you'd need to edit all your deps to change require("a") to require("node:a")

if they use node built in libs, like url and zlib

[sterile lantern]

I’ve tried that but that didn’t work either, I believe it said it couldn’t be resolved

Will try that again once I can

[quartz kindle]

the thing is

you'd need to edit it in all deps including sub deps

if i understand correctly

[sterile lantern]

oh

ic

[sharp geyser]

sup fellow nerds

[radiant kraken]

sup fishmonger

[harsh aspen]

Channel for chatting about development not for supping

[warm surge]

Yo fellow nerds except noooooooooob

[harsh aspen]

who is noooooooooob

sup mate

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/oZXo7pLgLk8.gif

[warm surge]

Thank you

[sharp geyser]

[past field]

tim, can you just transfer all of your coding knowledge to my brain pls man

at this point, i just wanna be like tim when i grow up

[solemn latch]

Lmao

[frosty gale]

half his brain is reserved for storing node and javascript functions as well as js optimisations

i really like what tim does in terms of optimising js though

if theres a way he will find it

[quartz kindle]

Lol

[quartz kindle]

gotta go fast

[solemn latch]

@quartz kindle Since you're here.

Is it okay to upgrade to a websocket connection then authenticate it? Would I run into any issues?

I wrote this code awhile back, but I think I'm doing this to send proper status codes when authentication fails

[quartz kindle]

should be fine either way

you can send auth headers during the upgrade request and reject there

or you can establish ws first then auth on first message

like discord does

[solemn latch]

oh yeah, thats what discord does. derp

should be fine

What was that other websocket lib you recommended? thats not ws

I wrote it down somewhere, but I'll never find it again

[quartz kindle]

uwebsockets?

[solemn latch]

That's it yeah

[sharp geyser]

uwusockets

[solemn latch]

Thankfully I'm building something very simple so trying it shouldn't be to bad. Then just picking the one I like more.

[sharp geyser]

Lmao

tbh I haven’t worked with web sockets in a while

I plan on using them soon though

[quartz kindle]

the only thing about them is that uwebsockets is pretty much designed to be exposed directly to the web

so if you're using a reverse proxy like nginx in front of your node, then it doesnt make sense to use it

since uwebsocket itself is arguably faster than nginx

[solemn latch]

So its probably super overkill for what I need

At max I'll have 5-10k connections at once in the next couple of years.

[quartz kindle]

give it a try anyway

[solemn latch]

yeah for sure

[quartz kindle]

not sure how to benchmark them tho

[solemn latch]

I'm just going to stick a link to this conversation in my readme lmao

[solemn latch]

throw 50k connections at it and see what happens? ^-^

[quartz kindle]

xD

[solemn latch]

I really should hire you one of these days to do code review on this.

I know I'm not doing things completely right

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[past field]

gonna remade my bot to “Tim” i stg. that mf will be able to do any and every thing one day.