development

[earnest phoenix]

There's something better than Cargo, it's called nully

[radiant kraken]

[earnest phoenix]

[wheat mesa]

binbows makes it annoying to use clang :c

[quartz kindle]

cargo makes cars go

[sage bobcat]

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[wheat mesa]

Eh

I’ve got MSVC working with CMake now so I’m not gonna bother

Kind of a dumb question, but how can I get VSC to recognize errors without finding out via compiling?

For example, I have this code, which very obviously doesn't work because head cannot be set to nullptr since it's not a pointer type, but VSC doesn't recognize it and thinks everything is fine

[quartz kindle]

TS or cpp?

[sage bobcat]

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[quartz kindle]

there are extensions for that

ie

[sage bobcat]

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[wheat mesa]

I have the extensions, but it still fails to detect some basic errors like that

[quartz kindle]

try reloading the window

[wheat mesa]

doesn't change anything

[sage bobcat]

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[lyric mountain]

ironic

so you need a C++ grade

[quartz kindle]

hey i got a C in C and a C++ in C++

:^)

[radiant kraken]

you cant afaik

VSCode's C/C++ intellisense probably only works on syntax-level

or maybe its just shit

[earnest phoenix]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=llvm-vs-code-extensions.vscode-clangd

Made by the LLVM project

[radiant kraken]

volt trying not to promote clang challenge (impossible)

[earnest phoenix]

True

[radiant kraken]

well

time to promote cargo

[earnest phoenix]

Time to promote that nully is awesome

[radiant kraken]

thanks

[earnest phoenix]

[sharp geyser]

So a message can have user mentions. role mentions and channel mentions. Should i make these their own fields on the message object or combine it all into one mentions field on the message?

I could do something similar to djs where its just a class that handles mentions and splits them into member, user, roles and channel fields on the class itself

[sharp geyser]

    constructor(data: APIMessage, client: Client) {
        this.client = client;
        this.id = data.id;
        this.channelId = data.channel_id;
        this.author = data.author;
        this.content = data.content;
        this.timestamp = data.timestamp;
        this.editedTimestamp = data.edited_timestamp;
        this.tts = data.tts;
        this.mentions = data.mentions;

        this.channel = this.client.requestManager.get(Routes.channel(this.channelId));
    }

so my this.channel will end up becoming Promise { <pending> } because this.client.requestManager.get returns a promise, and since i can't use async/await in a constructor I would end up having to use .then and such right? Well when I do that it ends up becoming undefined

this.client.requestManager.get(Routes.channel(this.channelId)).then((result) => {
  console.log(`Result:\n${JSON.stringify(result)}`);
  this.channel = result;
});

Are you not able to do this? Cause result does log as a proper channel object, but when assigning it to this.channel it becomes undefined later

there's probably a better way to be doing this

[lament rock]

Does djs no longer use a Proxy for the rest

[earnest phoenix]

You'd need to make a new method (called init for example) to allow usage of async/await, what you're doing is not possible in a constructor

[earnest phoenix]

Nope, they have client.rest and Routes now

[neon leaf]

when asyncConstructor

await new Car()

[quartz kindle]

you can already do that

[neon leaf]

yeah but would be nice in the class syntax sugar

[quartz kindle]

perhaps

but that kind of goes against the whole principle of classes

Promise being an exception for god knows why

[lament rock]

What user notices the difference between a pre class syntax and post through a lib when they're not expected to edit the src

Other than an async constructor

[lament rock]

cursed

[quartz kindle]

yup

[lament rock]

new can be used on any function tho so

[quartz kindle]

i dont really do this on my code lel

i rather have a dedicated method for it

like .init() or something

[frosty gale]

i didnt tell it to do that

[quartz kindle]

prototype pollution!!!

call the police

[frosty gale]

😠

[sharp geyser]

I see, I will just call init when initiating a new instance then

thanks for that simple solution

:p

@earnest phoenix channel still seems to become undefined even though my request get returns a channel object

[quartz kindle]

const myClass = new Class();
await myClass.loadChannel();
// use myClass.channel here

or, you can do this

[earnest phoenix]

Show code?

[quartz kindle]

constructor() {
  ...
  return this.client.requestManager.get(Routes.channel(this.channelId)).then(x => {
    this.channel = x;
    return this;
  });
}

const myClass = await new Class()

:^)

[scenic kelp]

4hr lab jeez

[sharp geyser]

sounds reasonable to me

[sharp geyser]

This just returns undefined btw

but what voltrex said works I just forgor to await my calling .init

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[quartz kindle]

works for me

[sharp geyser]

odd

it returns undefined for me no matter what

also returning a constructor gives me issues

[quartz kindle]

show cod?

[sharp geyser]

Ah

its because I have to return a promise

[quartz kindle]

ye

[sharp geyser]

returning ```
this.client.requestManager.get(Routes.channel(this.channelId)).then((x) => {
this.channel = x;
return this;
});

is not valid

[quartz kindle]

you cant use async in the constructor, but you can return a promise and use async in it

does requestManager.get() not return a promise?

[sharp geyser]

it returns a Promise<any>

my bad

so yea

[quartz kindle]

why Promise<void>? shouldnt it return Promise<APIChannel>?

[sharp geyser]

I don't have it typed out

so its any

I am too lazy to give it a return type based on what is being requested from the api

[quartz kindle]

well, it shouldnt interfere with the actual runtime

[sharp geyser]

yea

[quartz kindle]

you can just type the return value as your class

[sharp geyser]

TS2409: Return type of constructor signature must be assignable to the instance type of the class.
TS2740: Type 'Promise ' is missing the following properties from type 'Message': client, id, channelId, channel, and 7 more.

[quartz kindle]

ah well, TS doesnt like that

[sharp geyser]

[quartz kindle]

because classes are not supposed to be async

[sharp geyser]

average ts for ya

[quartz kindle]

its just a js hack

[sharp geyser]

yea

its fine just making an init method

[quartz kindle]

yeah thats the correct way of doing things anyway

[sharp geyser]

I hope someone smarter than me makes a pr fixing all my dumb ass mistakes

:p

[quartz kindle]

its the way i do it too

[sharp geyser]

yeppers

btw while you're here

#development message whats your opinion on this?

[frosty gale]

you mean like msg.mentions.roles / msg.mentions.users?

[lament rock]

Why does optional chaining a function call exist

funcThing?.()

[frosty gale]

or do what djs does and have partial channels from data sent by the packet if the full thing isnt available to instantly have a .channel if it isnt fully available

[frosty gale]

welcome to javascript

i guess it might be useful if some library either returns an empty object or a function you can call

so like data?.callback()

or something idfk

[quartz kindle]

agreed, it looks wonky af

but kinda cool idk

a?.()?.b?.()?.c?.()

[sharp geyser]

Yea

[earnest phoenix]

The intent was to replace people checking if a function exists then executing it, like instance.getAll && instance.getAll() with instance.getAll?.()

[sharp geyser]

Where would that ever be needed

Why wouldn’t a function exist?

[earnest phoenix]

A good amount of people wanted that in the optional chaining proposal

[lament rock]

I can see the logic behind it but like lmao it looks so weird

[quartz kindle]

its because of JS's dynamic nature, you can never be sure things exist or not

since they can be removed on the fly if need be

[lament rock]

TS

[quartz kindle]

the proposal was for JS not for TS lel

[lament rock]

TS is directly affected by JS tho

[quartz kindle]

how does optional chaining affect TS?

TS can just ignore it

[lament rock]

TS has to compile to JS

What I meant by mentioning TS was that it's stricter and stuff like what the function optional chaining is for would occur less often

[quartz kindle]

yeah, which means TS will likely never need to compile into optional chaining

but JS still needs it

regardless of TS's existance

[lament rock]

TS still added optional chaining before JS

[earnest phoenix]

Compatibility reasons, a library could be trying to be compatible with all versions of a dependency they're using, and so they could be checking for a method that had a name/argument changes between versions

[quartz kindle]

well, idk about that, i dont see why TS would ever need it, but TS also likes being the first one to implement novel JS syntax

[lament rock]

My thoughts exactly

Situations where you could argue for it would occur much less if at all

[quartz kindle]

yeah but still, JS is a thing that exists without TS

so all JS decisions dont need to take TS's existence into considerations at all

[lament rock]

Though something could be said about developers being unsafe

[quartz kindle]

developers being unsafe?

how so?

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah that's the weird thing about TS, they go ahead and try to implement a proposal even before JS has gotten it, even though they have absolutely no idea if the proposal will move up to the final stage (stage 4)

[lament rock]

type wise

Some proposals are easy to compile down to js tho so it can make sense

[radiant kraken]

unsafe {}

[quartz kindle]

you're unsafe

[earnest phoenix]

All the TS compiler does is to rewrite the TS code that uses such proposals to ways that can be implemented in JS without the need for the engine to implement it

[quartz kindle]

i dont quite see how adding optional chaining would make typing any less safe for developers

[earnest phoenix]

For example, TS can't implement realms because it needs engine-specifics which it can't interfere with

[radiant kraken]

nope, my function is safe

[earnest phoenix]

The generic type is incorrect, it should be Thicc + ?Sized

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

voltrex you already have sayuri, stop hitting on null

:^)

[radiant kraken]

@civic scroll

[earnest phoenix]

Damn I have unfortunately been caught in 8000K

[quartz kindle]

in over 9000K

[earnest phoenix]

🏃‍♂️

[radiant kraken]

https://tenor.com/bN1iu.gif

[quartz kindle]

LGHDTVJWSP++

[earnest phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[lament rock]

I typically see partial interfaces as unsafe unless there's a clear distinction marked by another property where developers can definitely expect certain properties/methods. Even then, that doesn't always mean the properties/methods are there which the reasoning can range from logical to illogical

optional chaining itself isn't unsafe, but in certain aspects can enable such behavior

[radiant kraken]

this is the first time i see a non-rust dev get concerned about unsafe

[quartz kindle]

i understand where you're coming from, but the reason for such feature to exist is because the language itself (js) allows for such things to happen, even if its not something that developers actually do

in typed languages there is no such thing as dynamic interfaces where methods can be nullable, so there is no need for such feature

in js its possible, even if its never done in practice, so features like optional chaining are needed, because the language itself allows for those things

its basically ducktape solutions to things that exist as a side effect of js's design

[civic scroll]

@quartz kindle 😭

[civic scroll]

[radiant kraken]

just use rust

[lament rock]

Which is fine imo. Though I personally don't think JS lends itself to being beginner friendly in the sense of teaching the very important concept of type safety

Which perhaps it's designed the way it is specifically to avoid some of the nuances of type safety

[quartz kindle]

perchance :^)

[sage bobcat]

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[daring plaza]

Can you make slash commands only show in certain servers? For example; for general bot maintenance I have a few commands I like to use, currently I have them done by prefix so server owners cant see the commands etc, but it's the only reason I need message intent for, so I'd like to remove it if possible.

[deft wolf]

Yes, you can

[sage bobcat]

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[deft wolf]

Or just google it

[sage bobcat]

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[spark pebble]

-insert docs link here, or any form of helpful response-

[sage bobcat]

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[spark pebble]

😬

[sage bobcat]

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[spark pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-ai-ai-artificial-intelligence-robot-curious-gif-15491020

[deft wolf]

I have no idea what programming language he uses

[spark pebble]

yeah should be possible mate, what programming language do you use?

[daring plaza]

Python, specifically discord.py.

[spark pebble]

Python, specifically discord.py.

[deft wolf]

In that case, I can't help you because I haven't touched python at all

[daring plaza]

What have you used? Then I can correlate the docs you have to mine.

[quartz kindle]

look for global commands vs guild commands in the docs

global commands show up in all servers

guild commands only work on specific guilds

and you create them on a per-guild basis

[tiny harness]

https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/interactions/api.html#discord.app_commands.CommandTree.command There's a guild kwarg

[daring plaza]

Yeah, I found this. I'm assuming this is the same thing.

https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/interactions/api.html?highlight=app_commands#discord.app_commands.AppCommand.guild_id

[earnest phoenix]

import discord
from discord.ext import commands 
import asyncio
from discord import Activity, ActivityType
from datetime import datetime
from discord import ActionRow, Button, ButtonStyle
import random
intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.members = True  
intents.guilds = True
intents.messages = True
intents.reactions = True 
intents.presences = True
intents.message_content = True


bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix='!', intents=intents)
bot.remove_command("help")


# ========== On Ready / Status ==========

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
        print(f'[+] Logged Into {bot.user}')
        await update_status()
async def update_status():
    while not bot.is_closed():
        server_count = len(bot.guilds)
        await bot.change_presence(activity=discord.Streaming(name=f"{server_count} Servers! | v0.0.01", url='https://twitch.tv/Vaypt_rz'))
        await asyncio.sleep(1)
  
    print(f'[+] Logged Into {bot.user.name}')
bot.start_time = datetime.now()

# ========== Command Loader ==========

await:

    bot.load_extension('moderation')
    bot.load_extension('utility')

# ========== Token Login ==========

bot.run('')```

It gives me an invalid syntax

for the bot.load_extension

That's not how you use the await keyword

breh

[sharp geyser]

load_extension takes in a file

https://gist.github.com/15696/a1b10f044fbd658ce76ab1f862a1bda2 simple example here

[earnest phoenix]

The await keyword can't be used as a block to resolve all promises inside, it should be

await bot.load_extension(...)
await bot.load_extension(...)

[sharp geyser]

also you dont even need to await it iirc

[earnest phoenix]

It tells me to await it

[sharp geyser]

ah right

also here's a better example

https://gist.github.com/wiktorpp/2f7cba2fd33e21a9463fcd3fa7f96da6

its more updated

[earnest phoenix]

ah hell no, I'll just seperate my commands, that's confusing my small brain

[sharp geyser]

whats confusing about it

Its better to ask questions than give up

[earnest phoenix]

the layout of it, in that example, how do I even make it work, it's hard to understand

[earnest phoenix]

^

[sharp geyser]

Okay so essentially

    async def setup_hook(self): #overwriting a handler
        print(f"\033[31mLogged in as {client.user}\033[39m")
        cogs_folder = f"{os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__))}/cogs"
        for filename in os.listdir(cogs_folder):
            if filename.endswith(".py"):
                await client.load_extension(f"cogs.{filename[:-3]}")
        await client.tree.sync()
        print("Loaded cogs")

This part here is basically just overwriting the default nature of setup_hook by grabbing the folder where your cogs are os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__)) this part just grabs the directory where the current file is which usualy is your main.py in the root of the path and you'd have a cogs folder in that root as well. Then it loops through the files of your cog folder and gets the files that only end with .py and loads them as cogs.whatever. client.tree.sync() is only useful if you are doing application commands which you can skip if you're not.

#cogs / test.py

from discord.ext import commands

class Test(commands.Cog):
    def __init__(self, client):
        self.client = client
    
    @commands.hybrid_command()
    @commands.cooldown(1, 10, commands.BucketType.user)
    async def hello(self, ctx):
        await ctx.reply(f"Hello {ctx.author.mention}")

async def setup(client):
    await client.add_cog(Test(client))

as for this, ignore @commands.hybrid_command() and simply do @commands.command() and make the function with self,ctx and do what you'd normally do

make sure to have a setup though where you're doing client.add_cog() to register your cog

[earnest phoenix]

I'm just gonna stick to what I'm doing, that's over the top

I don't feel like putting in that much effort

[sharp geyser]

fair enough

gl maintaining your bot then :p

[earnest phoenix]

it's not hard to do the way I'm doing it

[lyric mountain]

quick tip, the more effort u put now, the less trouble u have later on

especially for handlers (cmd, error, permission, etc)

[sharp geyser]

more effort you put now, better programmer you become

[lyric mountain]

that from someone who rewrote the bot 4 times

so trust me, dont leave it for later

[sharp geyser]

I already know ima be rewriting my stuff a lot

I don't take my own advice so :p

[lyric mountain]

the future me hates when I don't ask the past me for advices

[sharp geyser]

the future me hates me when I disregard what i planned on doing to do something arguably worse

[tulip ledge]

Is there a way to download an image from a github using code?

[neon leaf]

no ty

[wheat mesa]

@harsh nova bonk

[harsh nova]

no advertising

[harsh nova]

ty

[wheat mesa]

sounds a lil sketchy “organic growth”

[earnest phoenix]

From what of GitHub? Repository source? Comments? Banners?

[tulip ledge]

repo

[tulip ledge]

I'm trying to get a bae64 url of some images in a github repo

wait, can't I just clone the repo?

x)

[earnest phoenix]

If you know the path of where the file(s) are in the repository, you can download them from https://raw.gitbubusercontent.com/:owner name/:repository name/:branch name/:path to file

[tulip ledge]

yeah but it didn't work in my code ;-;

[earnest phoenix]

And yes you can just clone the repository if you want, though if you only care about its contents and not history then you can clone with a depth of 1

[tulip ledge]

alr I'll just clone with a depth of 1

ty

[sharp geyser]

@earnest phoenix got intellisense for event names to work by just overriding it for the client specifically like this, idk if its still needed to do it to the event emitter as well but ye

[tulip ledge]

what would happen if you do git clone with depth of 0? o.O

[sharp geyser]

fuck around and find out /s

[earnest phoenix]

Depth 1 is the minimum, the only commit in the history will be the latest commit

[wheat mesa]

Shouldn’t intellisense on event names work with interfaces?

[earnest phoenix]

That's good

[sharp geyser]

wym

[sharp geyser]

Should I still mess with the event emitter itself?

seems pointless if im overriding directly in the client class

[earnest phoenix]

You don't need to

[wheat mesa]

I’ll send an example when I get to my pc in a minute

[sharp geyser]

ok

Honestly my biggest worry is going to be interconnecting everything

like attaching channels to guilds, messages to channels, etc

without causing a performance hit

[tulip ledge]

are you making your own discord library?

[sharp geyser]

Yessir

so far so good

just stressful

a lot more to think about than I thought

[tulip ledge]

sounds difficult but interesting, might give it a try later on aswell

[sharp geyser]

be prepared to have a world of pain

tho if you're not making it for mass use and solely for your use only it shouldn't be too hard

[tulip ledge]

I'd probably make it for my own use tho

and just use the endpoints my bots require

[sharp geyser]

a lot easier than

[tulip ledge]

to increase performance i suppose

[sharp geyser]

you dont gotta worry about adding support for everything

I on the other hand am making it for mass use

and trying to keep it at as light weight as possible

[tulip ledge]

might give it a try when it's finished

so hit me up when it's done

[sharp geyser]

Coming to the public soon in 2025 /s

[wheat mesa]

“When it’s done” is a statement that will never be true in the world of discord libraries

[sharp geyser]

indeed

[tulip ledge]

wxell

[sharp geyser]

especially since every few months discord adds breaking changes

[tulip ledge]

you get what I mean right

[sharp geyser]

[tulip ledge]

when you release it

[sharp geyser]

I know

Fun with every major api update some endpoints change and or gets deprecated

[marsh lark]

when a major update introduces breaking changes 😱

[sharp geyser]

when discord.js then breaks it even further

My goal is to hopefully not have to release too many breaking changes

tho in the beginning a lot of that will be happening

So I do not recommend anyone using it even if its released for a few months

[marsh lark]

just dont release v1.0.0 until you think everythings good

[sharp geyser]

ofc

but I am also indecisive so I change things a lot

[marsh lark]

lol

[tulip ledge]

TypeError [ReqResourceType]: The resource must be a string, Buffer or a valid file stream.
    at GuildEmojiManager.create (C:\Users\Yarne\Desktop\Currentprojects\EmojiBot\node_modules\discord.js\src\managers\GuildEmojiManager.js:54:28)
    at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:96:5) {
  code: 'ReqResourceType'
}

Anyone have a clue? I've tried feeding it a url to the image, an image, a buffer and a base64 data url but I always get this error.

[sharp geyser]

Whatever you are giving it is not a valid type

Show code

[tulip ledge]

client.on("ready", async () => {
  let index = 1;
  let image = `../sprites/${index}.png`;
  let bitmap = fs.readFileSync(image);
  let b64 = new Buffer.from(bitmap);
  console.log(b64)
  let guild = await client.guilds.fetch("1143239475573563402");
  guild.emojis.create(b64, `fighter-${index}`);
});

I tried feeding it the bitmap, the buffer, the base 64 url

[wheat mesa]

Is that really how you’re meant to load a Buffer? I don’t see why you need a new here

[tulip ledge]

well even without it doesn't work

[pale vessel]

readFileSync should already be a buffer since you didn't specify encoding

[tulip ledge]

well even using the bitmap gives the same error

base64 strings don't work either

I'm really confused

[pale vessel]

are you using the latest discord.js version? https://old.discordjs.dev/#/docs/discord.js/main/class/GuildEmojiManager?scrollTo=create

[tulip ledge]

"discord.js": "^14.13.0"

[pale vessel]

shouldn't you provide an object with the options instead?

[tulip ledge]

ah well

now it works

I think I might havbe been looking at the wrong docs

ty

[earnest phoenix]

Can anyone help me

I wanna use the cogs thing, for discord.py

[radiant kraken]

thats purpose of major updates

discord will eventually introduce breaking updates

[earnest phoenix]

        try {
            if (message.guild === null) return;
            if (message.author.bot) return;
    
            const embed = new EmbedBuilder()
             .setColor('Red')
            .setDescription(`*Hey a new message got deleted!* \n\n **Author:** ${message.author.tag} \n\n **Channel:** ${message.channel} \n\n **Message:** ${message.content || "*No message provided"}`)

            if (message.attachments.size = 1) {

                embed.setImage(`${message.attachments.first()?.url}`);
            
            }

            if (message.attachments.size > 1) {
                embed.addFields({ name: `• Attachments`, value: `> ${message.attachments.join('')}`})
            }
    
            return send_log(message.guild.id, embed);
        } catch (err) {

        }
        
   });```

why does it not work?

( for logs )

no errror message njothing

[craggy pine]

Because atleast reading this code, return send_log(message.guild.id, embed) is unknown to us, we'd need to also know what that function does.

Also adding console.log(err) in the catch (err) part will tell you the error assuming its from this block.

[lyric mountain]

Always found funny how awful it is to deal with images in js

[sharp geyser]

dw it gets worse /s

[radiant kraken]

its not for me

whats wrong with it?

[lyric mountain]

Idk, the whole buffer juggling is weird

Plus u need to instantiate an html element to be able to edit it (the image)

[radiant kraken]

i frequently use JS Buffers and they're not that bad

[lyric mountain]

Also while u have a bunch of useful stuff like css styles, it also misses some stupid basic features like shapes

Everything has to be done with paths

[radiant kraken]

css is meant for styling

[lyric mountain]

I mean editing the image

[hexed smelt]

Fixed

[earnest phoenix]

        logSchema.findOne({ Guild: guildId }, async (err, data) => {
            if (!data || !data.Channel) return;
            const LogChannel = client.channels.cache.get(data.Channel);
            
            if (!LogChannel) return;
            embed;
            
            try {
                LogChannel.send({ embeds: [embed] });
            } catch(err) {

            }
        });
    }```

[quartz kindle]

you are hiding all the errors lol

you have to show the errors by logging them in the catch block

[quartz kindle]

also, if(size = 1) is wrong there, it should be ===, not =

[radiant kraken]

every C/C++ program when they segfault be like

[craggy pine]

Also you shouldn't have to do embed under the if logchannel; in that send code. It's already defined in the (guildId, embed) part

[sage bobcat]

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[radiant kraken]

imagine being hugged

[sage bobcat]

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[earnest phoenix]

Source-level debug information and debuggers:

[sage bobcat]

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[radiant kraken]

thanks faithie

[radiant kraken]

hell nah i aint opening gdb every time there is a segfault

[sage bobcat]

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[earnest phoenix]

No give me one second I'm preparing [

[sage bobcat]

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[radiant kraken]

]

[sage bobcat]

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[earnest phoenix]

Absolutely not, you're great

[radiant kraken]

ill segfault you

dereference me

[sage bobcat]

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[earnest phoenix]

Okay give me one second to compile with -O0 -g -fsanitize=address,undefined so my machine can self-heal, and to continue to dereference you repeatedly

[radiant kraken]

so your machine constantly segfaults and restart itself

[earnest phoenix]

Not if it can self-heal at a rapid rate

[radiant kraken]

but even then you'll still never be able to retrieve the value from null

trolling successful

[earnest phoenix]

I don't want to retrieve the value, I simply want to repeatedly dereference null, for a special case

[compact pier]

What is the min spec for a vpn server?

that only me uses

[sage bobcat]

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[compact pier]

Well I just want to ask and see if someone here had experience on building that kind of server

you don't have to do that, I can google by my self

[lyric mountain]

technically, any if we're talking about minimums

ofc it'll feel like shit with low bandwidths or very weak cpus, but they'll work

if we're talking about recommended, then most baseline commercial VPSses will suffice as long as it's not some unknown service provider

as those usually use very cheap or refurbished parts for their servers

the only 2 important specs are bandwidth and cpu, everything else is irrelevant as ur just routing traffic

[earnest phoenix]

Error: Cannot find module '/home/runner/Assistant/index.js'
Require stack:

• /nix/store/qpnf0dafrfsbcwb4z7cphjm0dff0vl7l-prybar-nodejs-0.0.0-e0d9a52/prybar_assets/nodejs/module-context-hook.js
• /tmp/prybar-nodejs-186380334.js
  at Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:995:15)
  at Function.resolve (node:internal/modules/cjs/helpers:109:19)

plz help

[wheat mesa]

Show your file structure

[sharp geyser]

Yea idk if I wanna model a guild object anymore

the shit is massive and im sure most of it is not even useful but idk

nope all of it is useful

[tulip ledge]

could you show me how you model these massive classes?

I'm quite interested

[sharp geyser]

Its literally just me looking at discord.dev to see how the object is supposed to look like and making properties on the class for them

[frosty gale]

i was gonna make fun of you and show a screenshot saying discord.dev doesnt exist but its an actual domain and it redirects to docs

so i got played

[sharp geyser]

can't make fun of me when I am making my own lib

ofc it exists

[sharp geyser]

wtf is discord-api-types doing

why is it both nullable and undefined

💀

[radiant kraken]

its probably a property that sometimes doesnt exist, and if it does, its nullable

[sharp geyser]

I dont see how it would never exist on a guild member object

if someone doesn't have a nick just make it nullable

[radiant kraken]

shrug

discord api is weird sometimes

[sharp geyser]

it makes it weird putting it into the lib

[radiant kraken]

just copy discord.js

[sharp geyser]

BRO WHY IS IT LIKE THIS

dates are represented as strings and its also nullable and undefined

😭

[radiant kraken]

ever heard of ISO 8601 timestamps

[pale vessel]

they're just following discord

[sharp geyser]

I've heard of normal timestamps

Okay then what is discord doing

[pale vessel]

could be from partial member objects

[sharp geyser]

I mean sure

[pale vessel]

for example members that haven't passed the screening

[sharp geyser]

man I don't wanna have to handle any of that in my lib

doing partials is pain

[radiant kraken]

thats the perks of making a discord lib

[sharp geyser]

nope

man structuring this stuff is annoying but whatever

I now understand why discord.js has teams of contribs 😔

[radiant kraken]

fr

and how its codebase is so complex

[sharp geyser]

trying to connect a guild member to a guild object and vice versa

[sharp geyser]

that's just because everyone who works on discord.js are fucking nerds on another level

[radiant kraken]

discord.js may have teams of contribs

but you have @earnest phoenix

[sharp geyser]

lmao

ye i'd rather not leech off voltrex too much

[civic scroll]

nah, feel free to ask

he'd happy to help you

[sharp geyser]

yea but idk if ima continue the lib

its starting to get too stressful

[radiant kraken]

inb4 voice

[sharp geyser]

thats what I dread

[wheat mesa]

voice is the most fun part

dealing with opus encoding

[crystal wigeon]

hey is there a way i can fetch all the guilds my bot is in? using the discord api

i cant seem to find any route

discord.com/api/v9/guilds i tried this route but got 404

is there a way i can check when my bot was added to the guild?

[warm surge]

Try use client

it also runs off api

[crystal wigeon]

i found the api

[warm surge]

ah

[crystal wigeon]

users/@me/guilds and send the bot token in auth

[warm surge]

ah

[crystal wigeon]

btw is there rate limit to api calls?

like can i make 100 api calls in a second or is there like a bulk delete end point

like for guild leave

[wheat mesa]

global ratelimit

[crystal wigeon]

which is ? 5 calls per 5 seconds?

nvm

its 50

kek

ty

[crystal wigeon]

[crystal wigeon]

ngl this bs is scam. I literally only made 2 api calls using promise and i get rate limited

[wheat mesa]

global ratelimit is a generality, some endpoints have special ratelimits

such as changing your client's status

[crystal wigeon]

hmm, im using the delete endpoint

[wheat mesa]

probably has a special ratelimit

[lament rock]

@sharp geyser The solution is to use the raw API and only develop stuff that might be helpful

[crystal wigeon]

is there a bulk guild delete api

[lament rock]

Not deleting multiple guilds, no

Bots can only own 10 at max though

[sharp geyser]

Huh

[lament rock]

For example, don't abstract the API to be class based like djs or other libs and just use the raw lib and then instead, only export helpful stuff like Snowflake utilities or whatever

[sharp geyser]

hm

[sharp geyser]

I mean I could basically just serve raw api data without worrying about it too much

just make methods for interacting with the gateway/api

Though I don’t think that’s in part to what I want to achieve with this lib

[pale vessel]

might as well use tim's library

or CloudStorm for WS

[earnest phoenix]

Hate it

whats the issue? i ddint got it

[quartz kindle]

cant find module 'colors'

[deft wolf]

What is "colors"?

[earnest phoenix]

thats what i m looking for

[quartz kindle]

why did you add it?

[earnest phoenix]

embed color

but i forgot now why u added it

[quartz kindle]

lol

[deft wolf]

You can use hex codes in embeds

[quartz kindle]

you dont need any module to add embed colors

[earnest phoenix]

ok thanks

[deft wolf]

Also it's so outdated bot

[earnest phoenix]

it fixed

[earnest phoenix]

how?

[deft wolf]

discord-buttons module

[quartz kindle]

if that code copied from some github bot?

[deft wolf]

If I remember correctly it was created for discord.js v12

Or something like that

Also a message when you go to the npm page of that module

[earnest phoenix]

do bots still reply with prefix?

[deft wolf]

Yes, but most of the code from v12 may be outdated and incompatible with the new api

[earnest phoenix]

k

[earnest phoenix]

but my bot isnt really replying uk

[deft wolf]

Then you have a bug somewhere in your code

As I wrote, most people will not be familiar with v12 because it is an outdated version that is probably a little over two years old

It's better to write from scratch on a newer version than to fix something that may fall apart after some time

[earnest phoenix]

kk thxx

[lyric mountain]

v12 will barely work after the api changes

just upgrade at once

[peak drum]

The good old times of v12

[sharp geyser]

Yea but I am going for something else with my lib

I do think I’m going about it the wrong way though

[frosty gale]

bro is trying to be unique

[wheat mesa]

it's a good project to learn a lot

[frosty gale]

probably

although i would argue most of it is annoyingly implementing every api method/gateway event discord supports

some of it is websockets/compression (maybe)/audio if you get to that but other than that

though probably a good lesson in object/class structure and organising everything/making stuff work/stick together in a sense

[sharp geyser]

No one is trying to be unique here

Thats harder to do in a discord lib than it is making an actual bot

[frosty gale]

thats why i said that when i thought you tried to be unique 😭

[sharp geyser]

not at all

[frosty gale]

bc theres not much room for being unique other than maybe faster or better resource usage

[sharp geyser]

the only thing I want to do is make it an easy lib for beginners

with not as much resource usage as djs is which mind you is already a hard thing for someone like me

[wheat mesa]

I'd be interested in seeing a ts framework that supports decorators for commands

I considered doing it but I'm too lazy

[sharp geyser]

I tried that

its not as fun as you think

😭

[little niche]

When do they start reviewing requests (around what time)?

[sharp geyser]

There’s no set time

They do it whenever they feel like it

The only thing they have is a monthly quota (iirc)

[limpid rain]

Hello

[sage bobcat]

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[sharp geyser]

might be weekly

idk

[prisma nebula]

import requests
import asyncio
from discord.ext import commands
import discord
import json
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup

class template11(commands.Cog, name="template11"):
    def __init__(self, bot):
        self.bot = bot

    @commands.hybrid_command(name="server-status", description="Get the current server status.")
    async def server_status(self, ctx):
        try:
            url = "https://www.growtopiagame.com/detail"
            headers = {
                "User-Agent": "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/58.0.3029.110 Safari/537.3"
            }

            # Retry multiple times in case of failures
            max_retries = 5
            for _ in range(max_retries):
                response = requests.get(url, headers=headers)
                if response.status_code == 200:
                    break
                await asyncio.sleep(2)  # Wait before retrying

            if response.status_code != 200:
                if hasattr(ctx, "interaction"):
                    await ctx.interaction.response.send_message("Failed to fetch server status.")
                else:
                    await ctx.send("Failed to fetch server status.")
                return

      ```

      soup = BeautifulSoup(response.content, "html.parser")
            data_script = soup.find("script", text=lambda text: "online_user" in text)

            if data_script:
                json_data = json.loads(data_script.text.split("{", 1)[1].rsplit("}", 1)[0])
                online_users = json_data.get("online_user", "N/A")

                # Construct the response embed
                embed = discord.Embed(title="Growtopia Server Status", color=discord.Color.blue())
                embed.add_field(name="Online Users", value=online_users)

                if hasattr(ctx, "interaction"):
                    await ctx.interaction.response.send_message(embed=embed)
                else:
                    await ctx.send(embed=embed)
            else:
                if hasattr(ctx, "interaction"):
                    await ctx.interaction.response.send_message("Online user data not found on the page.")
                else:
                    await ctx.send("Online user data not found on the page.")
        except Exception as e:
            error_message = f"An error occurred: {str(e)}"
            if hasattr(ctx, "interaction"):
                await ctx.interaction.response.send_message(error_message)
            else:
                await ctx.send(error_message)

async def setup(bot):
    await bot.add_cog(template11(bot))

Sorry for sending them 2 parts but my oc broke suddenly and I can't send them as .txt

Here's the error . Is it because of hybrid or because of the message type?

[wheat mesa]

first thing you should be doing is deferring an interaction

it's possible the interaction expired because you didn't defer it

[prisma nebula]

Ah

I reached this method after too much attemps

I me I used too much types and diff codes

I tried to play woth the code alot

Anyways thanks I'll check

[scenic kelp]

also not to shill but @slim heart doesn't your lib have decorator support

[slim heart]

yeah

[scenic kelp]

i love JPBBerry discord lib

(renamed by AI)

[slim heart]

renamed by ai

[radiant kraken]

do you still happen to work on discord-rose

haven't heard that name in years

[sharp geyser]

2 years since last commit

[slim heart]

( @sharp geyser ) it’s just jadl now

jadl is the one with decorators

discord-rose still works but is dep

[radiant kraken]

ah ic

[sharp geyser]

Jadl?

[slim heart]

yeah

just another discord library

[sharp geyser]

Looks bad /s

Mine better

[slim heart]

jadl was just for scale, jadl/cmd is like fancy decorator shit

[untold eagle]

how do i trigger an event on voting for my Server in JDA (java)?

[earnest phoenix]

@robust trellis

[lofty shale]

how can get the members has role after deleted

module.exports = {
    name: Events.GuildRoleDelete,

    /**
     * 
     * @param {Role} role 
     * @param {Client} client 
     */

    async execute(role, client) {
        await role.guild.members.fetch();

        const membersWithRole = role.guild.members.cache.filter(member => member.roles.cache.has(role.id));

        console.log(`Members with role ${role.name}:`);
        membersWithRole.forEach(member => {
            console.log(member.user.tag);
        });

can use this thing ?!

discord.js v14

[compact pier]

Check who had the role before the role got deleted?

[lofty shale]

Ya

[compact pier]

Maybe look at the GuildMemberUpdate event

[compact pier]

https://old.discordjs.dev/#/docs/discord.js/main/class/Client?scrollTo=e-guildMemberUpdate

[lofty shale]

I mean use Events.GuildRoleDelete

[compact pier]

You can't (I guess, never try it. On theory)

[lofty shale]

role.members

[compact pier]

try it and look

My suggestion would be, that you use GuildMemberUpdate event, because when a role got removed from a user, then it will trigger the event.

[warm surge]

Role delete when Role gets deleted from whole servers i recommend use guildmemberupdate

bruh i miss read everything but still use guildmemberupdate

[lofty shale]

Okay, but how can I tell if the role was changed by a person or because the role was deleted from the server?

[rustic nova]

just sync it up with the audit log

fetch the most recent audit logs, check if the action is related to roles (deleted roles, remove roles from a member) and check what roles were removed/deleted/added/whatever

[warm surge]

^

[surreal sage]

What's a site like Pastebin but for code?

[marsh lark]

pastebin, sourcebin, github gist

pastebin can be used for code too

[surreal sage]

sourcebin is what i was looking for

thx

[frosty gale]

so the others dont matter? 🙄

[surreal sage]

yes, they don't.

[frosty gale]

bit upfront but okay

[surreal sage]

😊

[sage bobcat]

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[sage bobcat]

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[tulip ledge]

Anyone knows why this conditional typing doesn't work?
filter: "id" | "name", character: typeof filter extends "id" ? number : Name

am I doing it wrong?

nvm fixed it

I was doing it wrong

[frosty gale]

bro has not seen gpt 4 or 3 for that matter

[lament rock]

Nuero-Sama

[slender wagon]

do you guys think it would be better if i used unix timestamps instead?

[rustic nova]

if the DBMS already supports dates natively, dont think you need to

[neon leaf]

did anyone here ever setup ipv6 in proxmox on a hetzner system?

[rustic nova]

I did think about setting up a proxmox before, though ngl dont have the time and money for it

[gaunt echo]

how to , another website in my website

[lyric mountain]

"how to embed another website inside my site?"

use <iframe>

[gaunt echo]

main site https, web http

[lyric mountain]

what?

[gaunt echo]

My main web site have https, bot web have http

iframe dnt supp http

[lyric mountain]

you cant then

iframe is the only way of embedding a site

[gaunt echo]

hmm,ty

[covert ingot]

Got a question, Im not being consistent with my coding projects, and stopped coding, and I remember around the time I stopped coding - around a year ago, there were some changes going on with git. I can't find, what I remember to be, git line? Am i mistaking this for something?

[earnest phoenix]

I'm pretty sure it does, specify http in the iframe link

[round cove]

Am I crazy? I thought there was a way to have an array or roles from slash command options.

[rustic nova]

Crazy? I was crazy once

[deft wolf]

No, pls stop

[deft wolf]

Good luck

[spark flint]

🗿

rip your acc

if you disable for more than 14d it deletes your account fully and cannot be reversed

oh wait

did they change that?!?!

[thick path]

Guys how can do/learn vote checker system on my bot?

[spark flint]

it used to be 14d/30d before deleted fully

[rustic nova]

Disabling your account doesn't do that

Deleting does it

[spark flint]

i thought it used to tbh

[frosty gale]

if discord disables it then it starts the 14d timer

but other than that i think its fine

[little stone]

Anyone able to help me figure out why my bot was declined? I'm new to Top.gg and am really unfamiliar with the process. I did some reading which said I should get something saying why it was declined but I don't see anything.

OH, it seems like it'll be in the #mod-logs. Lemme dig through there.

Yep, I figured it out. No worries

[deft wolf]

Can someone ban him already?

[spark flint]

Lol

[deft wolf]

Yea, he's using self bot to ghost ping you

[soft laurel]

I have an EntitySelectMenu that is retaining it's selection after editing the message. I'm wanting the values to be reset when the message is edited. I'm using the java JDA discord library. Any thoughts?

[whole glen]

Why did people dislike my question and close it on stack overflow?

I have this code but it only works when put in the HTML file while it does not in the js file that the other js code works in.

       const container = document.getElementById("scroll");
    
        container.addEventListener("wheel", function (e) {
          if (e.deltaY > 0) {
            container.scrollLeft += 100;
            e.preventDefault();
          } else {
            container.scrollLeft -= 100;
            e.preventDefault();
          }
        });

The guy who closed it does not know what he is talking about because it works

[wheat mesa]

SO is usually pretty toxic for questions that aren’t super complex

A decent amount of overconfident people trying to receive validation because they are insecure and have an inferiority complex tbh

[whole glen]

Now my stackover flow is banned from questions for 2 days

[quartz kindle]

which js file did you put it on?

when do you load the js file?

[whole glen]

At the header with <script src="/script/script.js"></script>

[quartz kindle]

put it at the end of body

[whole glen]

Ok

Works thanks

[quartz kindle]

👍

[lament rock]

Oh hi tim

damn that was fast

[quartz kindle]

lmao

its 3 am, i need sleep

just finished giving a 3 hour class on js oop

i need ideas for an interesting "final project" to make my students do

[lament rock]

How smart are they

Final project should be reflection

[quartz kindle]

some of them are geniuses

but its mostly first timers and newbies

so it cant be anything too complex

went through bind/call/apply today and i felt like some of them didnt quite get it

[radiant kraken]

basically #development then

[soft laurel]

for those interested deleting the message and sending a new one does the trick 👍

[whole glen]

He deleted his comment after this guy responded

[radiant kraken]

ego go 📉

[pale vessel]

e go 📉

[rustic nova]

e o 📉

[real rose]

o 📉

[marsh bluff]

If anyone here is using patreon-discord npm library, have you found a solution to expiring access token? Have you additionally used the official patreon API to refresh the token?

[covert ingot]

im having problem setting up my dns. Not sure what im doing wrong but my website isn't loading when I try go on it.

On my vps, it is showing the application has been running for 7hours - Its just a really simple personal website

not sure what im doing wrong, any ideas?

[spark flint]

thats not the same as DNS

thats reverse dns

so if i was to go and look up your IP address, it would show your domain as the reverse DNS

(helps hosts set server names, etc)

if only we had 1.1.1.1 bot here

@whole knot could we possibly get the cloudflare 1.1.1.1 bot here so its easier to help with DNS questions 🗿 https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/other-ways-to-use-1.1.1.1/dns-over-discord/

[grim aspen]

flashbacks to cybersecurity class setting up dns with windows server 2022

[spark flint]

lol

[grim aspen]

It was a pain

[spark flint]

dns is always a pain tbh

@covert ingot you do not have any nameservers setup for your domain

[grim aspen]

You do need that

[spark flint]

i would recommend using Cloudflare since they can handle SSL for you and proxy it for you

and its free

[grim aspen]

^

[covert ingot]

I will try cloudflare and let u know. thanks

[spark flint]

[whole knot]

They have a bot?

[spark flint]

yeah its great

plus its open source

also the name dns over discord

[covert ingot]

Probably a stupid question - but where do I change the nameserver? Using 123-reg for domain and GG for vps

on 123-reg it says invalid, probably doing it wrong let me look more

[covert ingot]

I think i done it - would you be able to double check for me if i done it correct

[spark flint]

I’ll check now

[covert ingot]

thanks

[spark flint]

Not yet

Might take a bit to update

[covert ingot]

i just restarted pm2 cuz thought that would fix it - still when i go on website doesnt load. maybe thats y it errored? not sure

[rustic nova]

Keep in mind that your DNS results are cached, so if your DNS did update and works fine on another device, it likely won't on your current one as the result is cached

Had that too

[covert ingot]

so uh how do i fix that

I'm getting this, gona try fix - if anyone knows what to do this is whats happening :

[rustic nova]

Consider looking into how to properly work with dns

As well as what cloudflare proxy is

[covert ingot]

thats what im trying to learn yh

on vps it is showing there are no problems

[lyric mountain]

patreon uses oauth2 for authentication, it's the same as any other oauth2

you authorize and then get an access token + refresh token

and the expiration ofc

save those 3 data to the database, whenever you reach the expiration date use the refresh token to request another token

also mind you, patreon is terrible to work with, idk how abstracted that lib is but expect a lot of headache

[marsh bluff]

Conceptually yes, but Patreon API is documented quite poorly, and the only way for oauth i found to work is for pledged members, not for the patreon creator

[rustic nova]

It's unlikely your VPS right now

It's your DNS setup

[lyric mountain]

I meant both conceptually and documentation

the whole thing is a convoluted mess

[rustic nova]

That is why I'm telling to look into what DNS is and what cloudflares proxy is

[lyric mountain]

they put 10 parts with the same name in the payload and let you figure out which one is the field you want

[covert ingot]

I am doing that, trying to work it out still

no luck so far

[marsh bluff]

The /token endpoint which returns access and refresh token only works if code parameter is provided, and as far as I understood i can only get it from a logged in pledge member

[lyric mountain]

yes, but once you have the refresh token you can use it directly (to refresh the access token)

https://oauth.net/2/access-tokens/

[covert ingot]

would you be able to tell me whats wrong iwth my dns set up? I have no clue atm

[rustic nova]

Disable your proxy, and see what error you get when visiting your website

[covert ingot]

same

disabled both

[marsh bluff]

Aight, I will try to initially get the refresh token from the developer portal and then work with that, thanks a lot 👍

[lyric mountain]

yw

[rustic nova]

Well

What do you see now

Still cloudflare?

[covert ingot]

same

[rustic nova]

Or do you not get cloudflare anymore

[covert ingot]

exact same

[rustic nova]

Ctrl+f5

[covert ingot]

nothing changes

[rustic nova]

Then you're still using cloudflare proxy, make sure you've saved your changes on your dns

[covert ingot]

wait i turned them back on, 2 secs

changed from london to manchester

only difference error code still same

I can use any port, or does it have to be a designated port btw

maybe thats y?

[rustic nova]

It has to be 80 if you're planning on using cloudflare

That is why I said to look into what cloudflare proxy is

[covert ingot]

i've been looking into it - still can't find fix. changed port to 80

[rustic nova]

Can't help you then

[quartz kindle]

there was another account that posted that exact same text, or was it also you?

smells fishy

[lyric mountain]

@rustic nova that guy again

[deft wolf]

Seems legit

[rustic nova]

@crude orchid please avoid posting recruitment things anywhere on the server

since I haven't properly warned you yet, consider yourself warned now

[crude orchid]

Sure

[crystal wigeon]

anyone uses hostinger?

[deft wolf]

Only for tutorials

[crystal wigeon]

lmao are they that bad? I see the pricing is super low compared to other providers

and i see some positive reviews tho

[deft wolf]

It probably depends what you need. It's best to look at different hostings and choose the most suitable offer

And after checking, for example, vps hosting, it seems to me that $ 14 per month is quite a lot for the smallest package

Maybe it's worth the price in other aspects than just the number of cores and the amount of ram

[crystal wigeon]

from what i can see its $7.99 for 2vCPU and 8GB RAM $12.99/mo for 4vCPU 16GB RAM. Im looking for the catch as the prices are super low

compared to me paying 40$ a month for 4CPU 8GB RAM on vultr hosting

[deft wolf]

Not really

[crystal wigeon]

ah ig this without tax

or we seeing different prices because of the region?

[deft wolf]

You pay $6 per month when you buy hosting for a whole year

If you want to pay monthly then you pay $14

[crystal wigeon]

$13 for me, for 4cpu and 16gb ram

which is alr so cheap

why so cheap whats the catch

[deft wolf]

Click it

And look at total

At the end

[crystal wigeon]

ah its 13$ per month for 12 months

still cheap imo

hmm

183$ for a year, with that resources is still good

4cpu, 16gb ram, dedicated ip, 200gb ssd

pretty huge resources for low price. whats the catch here, hmm

no firewall ig or something idk

ig KVM and VM are different?

it looks like they spike CPU usage on purpose to get you to buy a better plan hmm, red fag 1

ye okay im seeing bad reviews now lol

[rustic nova]

check htop

unless you didnt buy one yet

just get contabo or hetzner

pretty trustworthy

[crystal wigeon]

didnt buy yet just checking some reviews. One review said they show high CPU usage (wrong info) and just kill your website to get your to upgrade with 403 itseems. sounds pretty bad

[deft wolf]

Why they hate hetzner so much

[rustic nova]

hetzner works pog

no issues at all

price around $34 for a dedi

[crystal wigeon]

why contab no have 4cpu 8gb ram they start with 24gb ram

way too much for me

amd processors hjmm

[earnest phoenix]

Hetzner is awesome

[crystal wigeon]

tf hetzner why i gotta submit my ID Proof lmao

[earnest phoenix]

Fraud protection

[crystal wigeon]

ic

how come other providers dont need overkill imo

[lyric mountain]

wdym

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah, though Hetzner servers are crazy cheap for the specs they provide

[lyric mountain]

ur looking at virtual dedis

[crystal wigeon]

i was looking at dedicated vps

dedicated is better no?

[lyric mountain]

well, it's the whole server for u exclusively

[crystal wigeon]

yeah the whole machine right

thats what vultr offers too right?

dedicated cpu and ram

[lyric mountain]

it's 3 phys cores btw, so 6 virtual cores

[earnest phoenix]

If you aren't gonna host something big or do something really resource-intensive on a dedi then it's a waste of money

[deft wolf]

I have 12gb of ram and I only host a bot on discord

[crystal wigeon]

gotcha, i always thought dedicated VMS are meant to be exclusive for you, and cloud vps is shared right? so if someone else is compromised my appl is also at risk?

[deft wolf]

It's just a waste of money but at least bot is working

[crystal wigeon]

same here

i wasted so much money

[earnest phoenix]

The first part is correct, the last isn't

It's "shared" as in the resources and stuff are, if someone else does a fuck up in an instance of a shared VPS, that doesn't really affect you, unless they literally compromise the entire server running all the instances of those shared VPSs

[deft wolf]

Not exactly. Shared hosting probably only applies to resources, so let's say 3 people use one processor. There is probably no way that by accessing one account you could endanger others using the same machine

[crystal wigeon]

yeah so like if the resources are shared, chances are my app will be slow cause the cpu is being used by someone else no? even with cloud vps i mean

[crystal wigeon]

not talking about shared hosting

talking about cloud vps and dedicated vps

[lyric mountain]

that used to be a problem with contabo, but they changed their policies and infra to tackle at that issue

dedis are only worth if you're hosting something that'd demand a ton of resources from the server, like gaming (dedi host) or remote rendering

or some very big project

[crystal wigeon]

hmm i see

so vultr is cheaper in that way or used to be, cause they offer dedicated vcpu

[lyric mountain]

honestly, "dedicated vcpu" is ironic

[crystal wigeon]

ig i'll try contab, do they have refund and cancellation?

[lyric mountain]

cuz like, if ur buying a dedi you'd technically own the phys cpu

I mean, own in the sense of rent cuz u cant really take it from them

but anyway

[crystal wigeon]

yeah alr

[neon leaf]

yeah, got this for 50€ https://fs.rjns.de/v/VeftSNcwohtQZcMMoM

[crystal wigeon]

just wanna make sure i get efficient resources when i use cloud vps

[lyric mountain]

iirc the formula is (threads * cores) * phys cpu = vcpu

[spark flint]

I would also recommend Datix

[deft wolf]

[spark flint]

Datalix

https://datalix.eu/2023-sale

[deft wolf]

They are good, that's true

[spark flint]

But Hetzner is also bae

I don’t like contabo network

[lyric mountain]

14 days from contract date

[neon leaf]

yep, they are definitely good for small kvms, just dont get a dedi there, very overpriced

[crystal wigeon]

2.6TB a month, outbound traffic

[spark flint]

Yeah

[earnest phoenix]

That's awesome, also Proxmox ASCII art cool af

[spark flint]

Hetzner gives 32tb ☠️

[crystal wigeon]

for 12 months yeah

[spark flint]

It won’t matter unless you run a popular site with like lotsssss or traffic

[crystal wigeon]

thats what i calculated

32/12 = 2.6

[spark flint]

Nop

Monthly

[crystal wigeon]

yeah

[neon leaf]

afaik hetzner doesnt count incoming too

[earnest phoenix]

Guys

[spark flint]

Their dedi limit is like 250tb/month

[lyric mountain]

❌ choose a distro based on performance/ease of use
✅ choose a distro based on ascii art

[crystal wigeon]

dafuq

[neon leaf]

I mean proxmox is just debian

just with custom kernel

[earnest phoenix]

I created own bot but it's getting saying unmodified of some kind bot
Wht do I do now

[crystal wigeon]

so what do you not like about the network?

[spark flint]

Slow

[lyric mountain]

did u start from some template?

[spark flint]

Also the servers are kinda slow

[crystal wigeon]

200 mbits

hmm

[spark flint]

It struggled to even handle a basic Mongodb install

[crystal wigeon]

AMD processers yeah

[spark flint]

Speed really does not matter that much

Even 100mbps is good

[lyric mountain]

never had issues with them, at least not after the infra change

[spark flint]

Unless you’re Amazon who lose hundreds of millions a year if it takes more than 2s to load a page, I wouldn’t worry about network speed that much

[crystal wigeon]

actually its needed for my discord bot

hmm

[earnest phoenix]

Ye bro

[crystal wigeon]

dont want it to be too slow

[earnest phoenix]

It's not fully

Copied

It's just some features

It's modified

[lyric mountain]

that's the reason

[spark flint]

I would just get an Ashburn server from Hetzner

[earnest phoenix]

Wht I will do now bro , I wanna grow my bot :/

[crystal wigeon]

tbh should be fine ig, i see that my vultr network speed is not more than 5mbps

[spark flint]

Ashburn gets 15ms ish ping to discord

[lyric mountain]

you need to modify at least 51% to be considered not a copy (since the revs dont know the underlying code, consider this as "51% unique commands")

[spark flint]

Bot of mine hosted on an Ashburn server

[crystal wigeon]

does contab not offer like a free trial

[spark flint]

Nope

[crystal wigeon]

would like to try it before i buy hmm

[spark flint]

Most hosts don’t

[earnest phoenix]

50 new cmds?

[spark flint]

Due to abuse

[lyric mountain]

percent

[earnest phoenix]

Like new commands tht he don't have?

[crystal wigeon]

mm

vultr does , they just give you free credit

[lyric mountain]

if the bot has 4 commands, u need at least 3 (as u cant have 2.04) new commands

[neon leaf]

big hosts like giving trials

[earnest phoenix]

It's have 500+ cmds

I didn't counted

[lyric mountain]

well, then yeah, a bunch of commands

[earnest phoenix]

Now what I do

[spark flint]

Yeah

[earnest phoenix]

:/

[spark flint]

Since they generally ask for more details

Also they give in credit form

[lyric mountain]

the easier and most sustainable choice would be to simply write your own bot

instead of starting from an existing project

[spark flint]

Plus bigger hosts can live with the cost off abusers

Since they have large clients spending $$$$$$$

Timmy’s lil host can’t afford to lose the cost of servers compared to a large host

[neon leaf]

I was shocked when I found out hetzner sent me an invocie 1 day after I already had full access to the dedi without even asking for id

[earnest phoenix]

GCP (Google Cloud Platform) is also pretty good

[spark flint]

GCP my beloved

I have £1k AWS credits for 2 years

[lyric mountain]

any host that doesn't start with "Ora" and ends with "cle" is pretty good

[spark flint]

Plus their startup program also got me intercom for a year free for 10 agents

Which is worth like £7000 or smth stupid

and I also got Zendesk too

1 year for the full package with unlimited agents iirc

[neon leaf]

https://fs.rjns.de/v/DIaZkGqwYiiKJCQigz best vscode font btw

[spark flint]

I don’t even customise my vscode

Default font and colours all the way 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[earnest phoenix]

I'm not sure if other VPS providers do this but GCP shuts down your server and changes your server's IP address if it goes into maximum load and stays like that, no static IP address assigned so it can be annoying for teams that work on the same server via SSH

[lyric mountain]

computercraft be like

[deft wolf]

Looks like a minecraft font

[spark flint]

I think you can solve that by assigning a static ip separately

Kinda like DigitalOcean, you can basically pay for the IP and add it to any server

[earnest phoenix]

Hmm yeah, though never saw that behavior in any other VPS provider