development

[earnest phoenix]

That's because Clang's LTO only works with the LLD linker, you're using GNU LD, though you can specify the -fuse-ld=lld CLI flag to use LLD without setting LLD as the default linker

[quartz kindle]

not work

clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)

clang: warning: argument unused during compilation: '-fuse-ld=lld' [-Wunused-command-line-argument]

nvm

[earnest phoenix]

Oh, seems like node-gyp is specifying the -c CLI flag which tells the compiler to not do any linking, so it ignores -fuse-ld=lld

[quartz kindle]

was using the wrong var

i put it on the c flags instead of ld flags

[earnest phoenix]

Yep, LD flags is the correct one

[quartz kindle]

ok so this is performance with all the flags enabled

CC='/usr/bin/clang-16' CXX='/usr/bin/clang++-16' GYP_DEFINES='clang=1' CFLAGS='-pipe -Ofast -flto' CXXFLAGS='-pipe -Ofast -flto' LDFLAGS='-fuse-ld=lld' JOBS='max' npm rebuild sweph

this is performance with all defaults (gcc O3 without lto)

about 15% difference i guess

not bad

[earnest phoenix]

Heh yeah, it's generally not gonna make that big of a difference but sometimes it will

[quartz kindle]

yeah, napi is my biggest problem most likely

but still, anything counts

now im gonna check what actually made the most difference between clang, lto and Ofast

this is clang without Ofast and without lto

gcc with Ofast and lto actually made it worse lol

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah GCC is not good at that

[quartz kindle]

yeah so what actually makes a difference is clang + Ofast

lto makes no difference nether in gcc nor in clang

Ofast makes no difference in gcc, but it makes a lot of difference in clang

however im not sure if i should be using Ofast, since this lib is pretty much 99% math

what are the risks of introducing some weird calculation bug due to Ofast?

can Ofast actually cause math to return incorrect results?

[hushed robin]

can you use oauth without a website

[solemn latch]

oauth requires web requests if thats what you're asking

[neon leaf]

do you know what oauth is?

[hushed robin]

40%

[hushed robin]

but do i need a website

[proven lantern]

i think you can make a gui in java swing

all the cool kids are doing that

[quartz kindle]

if you mean using someone's Oauth2, for example Discord's, Google's, etc... then probably yes

if you mean creating your own Oauth2, then no, you can use it for anything

[hushed robin]

bru

but i don't want to make a website

[earnest phoenix]

Yes
https://simonbyrne.github.io/notes/fastmath (I don't know if you've read this already but linking it anyway)

[queen needle]

Why do you want oauth?

[proven lantern]

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/

[earnest phoenix]

You should try Clang's -O3 and see how much difference it makes compared to -Ofast

[quartz kindle]

i mean

i dont care about a differences of +-0.00000000002387462847

[hushed robin]

bc i need it to access some user data

[quartz kindle]

but i do care about differences of something negative turned into something positive or vice versa lol

[queen needle]

At the very least you need a button of some sort connected to an API

[earnest phoenix]

Regardless, you should try -O3 (of Clang) over -Ofast, see if it makes a big difference in performance

[quartz kindle]

yeah it does, from ~9500ms to ~8700

[earnest phoenix]

Hm? Is the first one -O3 and second -Ofast?

[quartz kindle]

ye

[earnest phoenix]

Then I suppose you can use -Ofast but I'd recommend doing multiple tests to see if it causes issues or not

[hushed robin]

huh

[quartz kindle]

the whole thing is too big to test everything

[earnest phoenix]

I mean the parts you use

[quartz kindle]

well, its an api, meant to be used by other people

it does mathematical and orbital calculations for any date/time/location over a period of 30k years

impossible to test everyting lol

[earnest phoenix]

Definitely not everything, I meant like doing a couple tests with and without -Ofast to see if the results differ

[quartz kindle]

ye i can test that i guess

gonna have to come up with a basic test suite

unfortunately node's test runner is too limited

im gonna have to use a third party testing lib

[earnest phoenix]

Limited in what way?

[quartz kindle]

actually not the test runner

the assert module

there are many test cases where assertion is difficult

for example assert that something is of type, or that array/object includes something or is of a specific structure

but well, i guess it was made for checking things with js first and then assert some boolean result

[earnest phoenix]

Well that's pretty much how assertion stuff works in most programming languages

[quartz kindle]

yeah

i used jest once on a different project and it could do some pretty advanced assertions

for example

expect(result).toEqual({
  code: 200,
  data: expect.arrayContaining([{
    titulo: expect.any(String),
    conteudo: expect.any(String),
    lista: expect.any(String),
    id: expect.any(Number)
  }])
});

the equivalent using node's assert would be something like this i guess

assert(typeof result === "object");
assert(result.code === 200);
assert(Array.isArray(result.data));
assert(result.data.every(x => typeof x.titulo === "string" && typeof x.conteudo === "string" && ...))
...

back to the clang thing, i forgot i had my bot running on the same server

i upgraded to debian 12 and restarted the system, and didnt notice my bot went offline lele

for some reason it didnt run at boot

[hushed robin]

how can i generate an oauth url

[frosty gale]

a few ways

what do you need it for?

[hushed robin]

spotify api

[frosty gale]

so you want to login via spotify via oauth?

[hushed robin]

yes

can i make oauth work with express

[neon leaf]

why wouldnt you be able to

[hushed robin]

how do i

and cus it's not working

🙁

ReferenceError: localStorage is not defined

[neon leaf]

you wrote client code on the server

[hushed robin]

huh

[neon leaf]

or is that error on the website

[hushed robin]

it's coming from my code

[neon leaf]

localStorage doesnt exist in nodejs

[hushed robin]

bruh

can i still do it

[neon leaf]

yes

you just copied code

thats the problem

[hushed robin]

🗿

[neon leaf]

well you did didnt you

do some reasearch on how the spotify oauth api works

[hushed robin]

hey

nvm

ayo

i did it

w

what does expires_in mean

[neon leaf]

when the token expires

when it does you need to get a new one with the refresh token

[hushed robin]

oh ok

whats the point of that?

if i can just get it again with refresh token why not make it last forever

also, is that seconds?

[neon leaf]

look at docs

[hushed robin]

where

[neon leaf]

well search for spotify docs

but its most likely in seconds

[hushed robin]

now i need to make a good looking page

with html 🤮

[hushed robin]

guys i need help how can i link spotify accounts to discord accounts now

[proven lantern]

a message can only have an embed or content right? not both

[spark flint]

it can have both

[hushed robin]

?

it can have both

wym

[proven lantern]

in the same response?

[hushed robin]

yea

[proven lantern]

like i could @mention people in the content to ping them and then have my normal embed message

noice

[hushed robin]

yea

this server does that

[hushed robin]

⁉️

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

no

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

i want to connect discord account to spotify account

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

bruh

not like that

through my own application

for the purpose of

knowing someones spotify account

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

bruh

i wanna know someones spotify account

throughh my bot

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

i already have that

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

but

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

i don't know how to connect the spotify data i get to their account

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

yes BUT

I CAN GET DATA FROM SPOTIFY

FROM ACCOUNTS

but how can i LINK SPOTIFY ACCOUNTS

to DISCORD ACCOUNTS

[sage bobcat]

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[hushed robin]

SO I CAN SHOW THEIR DATA

AND SUHCH

ETCETC

i have an idea i think

i'll append their id at the end of the url

but i think that could be a security risk

[sick agate]

filter it then

[hushed robin]

wym filter it

[proven lantern]

does discord give us the timezone of each user?

[hushed robin]

no

but you can get their language through interactions

thats about it

[spark flint]

using oauth

thats the only way

you can get their current song through presence if they have that enabled

but only other way is using oauth, then fetching it from the response

[hushed robin]

er

i don't want to use 2 oauths

thats such a hassle

[spark flint]

wdym

[hushed robin]

i am already using spotify oauth

[proven lantern]

what's a good global datetime format?

[spark flint]

ISO

i forgot the full name

[proven lantern]

for humans

[spark flint]

oh

[proven lantern]

how do you do iso with an offest?

[spark flint]

readable like that

hm

GMT is the standard

[proven lantern]

that means that everyone needs to convert to UTC

the standard is actually PST

that's what the S stands for

[spark flint]

i only ever see GMT+1 GMT-4 etc

[sick agate]

same

[spark flint]

GMT Is the literal standard

[proven lantern]

the first reason is usa #1

makes sense

that's still GMT

broken

i will try to fix this

[hushed robin]

I don't want to make an entire website

[proven lantern]

GMT shouldn't be the standard anymore

[hushed robin]

mainly because I don't know how to

but partly because I'm lazy

[proven lantern]

do you think inputting a relative time would be less annoying than trying to put in a time with timezone. also m/d/y vs d/m/y needs to be handled

[hushed robin]

why don't u just put their local timezone

[proven lantern]

a relative time would be much simpler for everyone. right?

[hushed robin]

no

some people will get confused

just put it in their local timezone

r u making a website or bot?

[proven lantern]

2 day 5 hours 30 minutes. vs 7/3/2023 1:32am -7 timezone

should i force them to use a 24 hour clock

too many possible mistakes

[hushed robin]

why

[hushed robin]

first one if it's a week or closer
second one if it's longer than a week

i think that's best

but i don't think you should put it in one timezone cus it will be confusing

ik that confuses me sometimes 😔

[proven lantern]

why wont discord give us a date input?

that would be cool

datetime input

[hushed robin]

because they're lazy

it's on their little

roadmap thing

but who knows when or if they'll actually add it

[proven lantern]

it'll probably only be a date selecter and not time

i just want a timestamp

[hushed robin]

https://github.com/discord/discord-api-docs/discussions/3581

yeah it says only date picker here

[proven lantern]

relative time it is

good idea

[hushed robin]

this was also last updated over a year ago

[proven lantern]

it's a bot command. host a lobby that is scheduled to start at a certain time

[hushed robin]

well if it's going to be displayed on a bot just use discords message formatting thing with timestamps

so it shows in everyones local time

[proven lantern]

/host_event starts_in: 2 days 4 hours 30 minutes

the person inputting the command needs to indicate when the event starts

[hushed robin]

oh

theres a good little package for that

https://www.npmjs.com/package/parse-duration

[proven lantern]

i already have something like that

somewhere

i wrote

[hushed robin]

nice

that one works well, it works with quite a few formats

like full words and shortforms and stuff

mr big bun showed me it

[hushed robin]

remove the semicolen on line 25

now

[proven lantern]

const x = thing;

even if thing is a function

[hushed robin]

oh

ok

[lyric mountain]

what in the fuck

why not just use the formula?

[proven lantern]

lol

never

[hushed robin]

🤔

what do you guys think of this idea

[lyric mountain]

why would it be?

ids are mostly useless on their own

[wheat mesa]

IDs generally don’t reveal anything about the user

(Public ones at least)

[hushed robin]

but

people could send someone a link to my login page with their id

have the person verify then they will get access to their Spotify account

😵

[wheat mesa]

I don’t think I understand what you’re attempting to accomplish

[hushed robin]

I want to link a Discord and Spotify account through my bot

[wheat mesa]

How would you even facilitate the access of someone’s Spotify account if you yourself don’t even know their credentials?

[hushed robin]

because they would be giving my bot access to their Spotify account through OAuth

[wheat mesa]

But that requires them to login? I don’t see how you could give away credentials to someone’s account like that

Perhaps try explaining your goals/process more clearly

I can’t keep playing this guessing game

[hushed robin]

It wouldn’t give away their credentials however they would be able to manage the persons Spotify account through my bot

so they could delete playlists and such

[wheat mesa]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[hushed robin]

I did

[wheat mesa]

You did not

[hushed robin]

ok let me explain

my bot will send a link like this for a person authorize their spotify account through OAuth: http://localhost:3000/login?id=307307861032304652
(I will append their ID to the link so I know whos discord account it is)

but someone could for example, take their discord Id and put it in the link like this: http://localhost:3000/login?id=173489654144696320

and if a person were to authorize their Spotify account with this link, it would give the person whos ID is in the link access to their Spotify account through my bot

is this explained enough

[lyric mountain]

ok so, if u dont want the id to be visible, use a post request

then use oauth for both sides

that is, spotify and discord

[hushed robin]

no

i don't want to use discord oauth

[lyric mountain]

so...you don't want to use the only way of ensuring it's the correct id

what difference does it even make?

oauth2 is oauth2 regardless of the service

[hushed robin]

i'm not making a fully fledged website

[lyric mountain]

the same handler u use for spotify can be used for discord

[lyric mountain]

never told u to

u can chain oauths

[hushed robin]

are you sure

[lyric mountain]

why wouldn't u be able to?

just do the first oauth, store the result somewhere, then redirect to the other

it'll be annoying to the user yeah, but that's the price u pay for not wanting to do it the proper way

[hushed robin]

what's the "proper way"

[lyric mountain]

a site

[hushed robin]

i'm not good at making websites

we've been through this

[wheat mesa]

You’re not good at making anything my man 💀

[lyric mountain]

and never will be

the only way to become good at something is doing that thing

[hushed robin]

i am:(

[hushed robin]

I tried

it didn't work

so I quit

[lyric mountain]

that's why ur bad

[hushed robin]

If I don't see results there's no point in doing it

it's a waste of time

[lyric mountain]

knowledge is a result

[hushed robin]

it's not

cus i gained no knowledge

for the 1 day i tried makign a website

[lyric mountain]

ofc u didn't, u just copypaste everything

also 1 day isn't enough for anything

[wheat mesa]

I failed my first calculus test

Horribly

47/100

I finished the year with a 98% in the class

[hushed robin]

i didn't

i tried making

[wheat mesa]

You just have to go again

Nobody learns without failing a few times

The greatest minds of humanity go through many stages of trial and error

[lyric mountain]

imagine battle stranded on an island

[wheat mesa]

Einstein didn’t wake up one day and instantly guess everything about the universe

[lyric mountain]

tries to make fire -> fails -> dies from hypothermia

[hushed robin]

i tired and this is all i could make

two buttons in top right corner

[wheat mesa]

Looks like mantine

[wheat mesa]

Because you didn’t try

I made a shitty site at first, I still suck at frontend, but I tried a little and made a decent looking site

I never finished it but that’s due to other issues

[hushed robin]

bruh i did

[wheat mesa]

If that’s you trying then dear god I don’t wanna see you not try

You probably spent 20 minutes reading code off the internet and then gave up when you couldn’t center a div

[hushed robin]

😐

spending 20 minutes to center something is ridiculous

[wheat mesa]

Not when you’re doing it for the first time

20 minutes is tiny in the grand scheme of things

20 minutes is a third of one class of my introductory CS class in my junior year

…a class which I attended more than 170 times that year

20 minutes really isn’t much time

That first class day I’m pretty sure we learned nothing about programming

[hushed robin]

no

[wheat mesa]

ok

If you think you’re gonna be an expert in 20 minutes (you probably do with how arrogant and naive you are) then you’re delusional

[lyric mountain]

really wonder what will he ever work with

with the attention span of 20 minutes

[hushed robin]

i don't

but it's too hard

[wheat mesa]

Average tiktok user

[hushed robin]

...

lots of people use tiktok

[lyric mountain]

and that's worrying

[hushed robin]

i bet you've both used tiktok

[lyric mountain]

nope

never installed it

nor any similar app

[hushed robin]

:cap:

🧢

[wheat mesa]

I haven’t ever installed it but I’ve been sent videos that I’ve watched

[hushed robin]

you don't have instagram?

[wheat mesa]

However I don’t watch it like the average user does

[lyric mountain]

nope

[hushed robin]

💀

[lyric mountain]

why would I even install it?

[hushed robin]

third person in existence to not have instagram

what tutorial do i need to watch to make a website

[tender rune]

One on web development

[wheat mesa]

💀 bro thinks there’s a tutorial for everything

That’s your problem

You rely on tutorials too much

And spoonfeeding

[hushed robin]

bro I need somewhere to start from

[tender rune]

Your status 😂

[wheat mesa]

Learn the basic syntax and such with tutorial websites sure, but you need to write your own code to learn

When you encounter a problem, you look it up

[hushed robin]

yes I know

I want a good guide not so much a tutorial

[proven lantern]

what is the formula? is this better?

[hushed robin]

that will teach me the basics

[hushed robin]

just use the package I sent

[proven lantern]

it already does what i want

[hushed robin]

then why edit it

[proven lantern]

because i was shamed

[lyric mountain]

much better yeah, but u can remove the plural

just append (val !== 1 ? 's' : '')

[proven lantern]

what abot millenniums vs millennia

i need it for that

see

llol

[lyric mountain]

don't think you'll reach millenia

[proven lantern]

i will

[hushed robin]

what’s millennia

[lyric mountain]

well, then u do need a plural field

[proven lantern]

better to be prepared

[proven lantern]

a thousand years

now it has purpose

[hushed robin]

my guy

you will be well done in a thousand years

I don’t think you need to plan that far ahead

[proven lantern]

i can use it to reference something in the past

some historical event

and use my little function

perfect

[hushed robin]

what event do u need to reference from a thousand years ago

that’s relevant to gaming

[proven lantern]

do you have a moment to talk about our lord cheesus christ?

[tender rune]

Spartan games of course.

[lyric mountain]

don't forget decade, century, era and eon

[proven lantern]

century

that's a good one too

i'll update

[hushed robin]

KuuHaKu

do you have a starter guide for making websites

[lyric mountain]

w3schools, mozilla institute, codecademy

[hushed robin]

please send links

[lyric mountain]

google

[hushed robin]

☹️

[sage bobcat]

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[lyric mountain]

also start with the damn html

[hushed robin]

which one do you recommend the most

[proven lantern]

era and eon aren't really well defined

[lyric mountain]

Integer.MAX_VALUE

era is either BC or AC

[hushed robin]

⁉️

[proven lantern]

before cheesus?

[lyric mountain]

oh, also

put planck time

millis, micros, nanos

[proven lantern]

planck is a thing?

oh

no nanos

does js have nano?

i guess something else could send in nano time

[lyric mountain]

1 nano is a millionth of a second iirc

[proven lantern]

billionth

[lyric mountain]

well

time for bigint then ig

[proven lantern]

but what should i do for datetime input? a relative datetime will be easier right?

[hushed robin]

why not allow both

[proven lantern]

because i want it to be simple

no confusion

/schedule_event start_time: 2 day 3 hours 10 minutes
vs
/schedule_event start_time: 7/3/2023-10:55pm -7

what format would you use for?

[hushed robin]

bottom

what if someone wants an exact time / date

it will be difficult to achieve with top one

[proven lantern]

mm/dd/yyyy-hh:mm[am|pm] -timezone

[proven lantern]

they do a little bit of math

ezpz

people love math

[lyric mountain]

first

[hushed robin]

don’t listen to kuuhaku

with that it is difficult to have an exact

either both or second

👍

[proven lantern]

kuuhaku is is confirming what i think so they are right

[hushed robin]

😐

[lyric mountain]

u can also use both, just have 2 different params

start_in: and at:

so they can use start_in: 30 minutes or at: 02/07/2023

[proven lantern]

that might be confusing to have both

they would both need to be optional

maybe two different commands

[lyric mountain]

make them optional

and send an error message if they supply none or both

[pale vessel]

or both

[proven lantern]

that's a good idea

[spark flint]

i wish discord added a time selector input

[proven lantern]

they wont mess up this way

[pale vessel]

it was in datamining iirc

[spark flint]

discord tm

they had that modal dropdown which got removed

[pale vessel]

you could still use it I think

it's just not documented

[spark flint]

nah it got removed

and would not show up on mobile

[hushed robin]

who knows a good website making guide

[proven lantern]

https://vercel.com/

[hushed robin]

what’s this

[pale vessel]

how'd you even understand his question

[hushed robin]

this is not a guide

[proven lantern]

vercel will help him with website building

ezpz

[spark flint]

lol

[hushed robin]

how

[proven lantern]

https://vercel.com/docs

https://vercel.com/guides

[hushed robin]

what is vercel

[proven lantern]

the best website hosting company

[pale vessel]

jinx

[proven lantern]

or everything at once

[hushed robin]

i don't want a handicap

[pale vessel]

then don't use a guide

[hushed robin]

no

i want a guide

not a handicap

[pale vessel]

guide is a handicap when you could just read docs

boohoo

👶

[proven lantern]

try out sveltekit

you'll have fun

all the cool kids are doing it. shouldn't you do it too?

[pale vessel]

aren't you in your thirties

or almost

[proven lantern]

i'm still hip

😎

[hushed robin]

no

docs are not good for learning

[pale vessel]

no

[hushed robin]

yes

[proven lantern]

setup a vercel account to get started

step 1

create account

vercel is so awesome

best dev environment for websites

[hushed robin]

ok

does it cost money

[proven lantern]

nope

[proven lantern]

do you know react?

[hushed robin]

no

[proven lantern]

you should use sveltekit then

[hushed robin]

whats sveltekit

[proven lantern]

it's a framework for building websites

[hushed robin]

like react?

[proven lantern]

yeah

but better

[hushed robin]

whats the difference

[proven lantern]

everything

[hushed robin]

is it easier

[proven lantern]

yeah, much simpler

[hushed robin]

hm

can i use it with next.js

[spark flint]

[hushed robin]

what

[proven lantern]

nextjs is for react. sveltekit is for svelte

both are hosted on vercel

vercel created next.js btw

[hushed robin]

oh

hm

[hushed robin]

give me

a

a

a

guide for it

[proven lantern]

you dont need a guide

just make an account and it will walk you through it

[hushed robin]

i don't want to use vercel

[proven lantern]

vercel is too good for you?

[hushed robin]

huh

[proven lantern]

i understand

[spark flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583055343177695232/1111401371816701982/f4189b2ea1f854d538963ef792578bdcf8ea1147edb4bc9fcf829c22a92d0901_1.png?.gif

[hushed robin]

vercel is a handicap

[proven lantern]

vercel is the gold standard

[spark flint]

the only handicap is your mindset lol

[hushed robin]

no

but vercel is

[proven lantern]

vercel would make it too easy to build a website and learn about web development

battleless wants a challenge

you could even learn about serverless functions with vercel

[lyric mountain]

tbh the best start would be with plan old html

[hushed robin]

Svelte is much less code to write to accomplish the same thing in React, but the ecosystem isn’t near as developed as the React ecosystem if you’re someone that relies heavily on npm packages. If you’re starting a project now, it’s usually best to choose what you’re familiar with, both will accomplish the same goals.

true or false?

[proven lantern]

that seems valid

[hushed robin]

i don't know where

[lyric mountain]

already said it, w3schools

"how to html w3schools" in google

[hushed robin]

w3schools looks like a scam

it has a awfully bad website itself, how can i trust

[lyric mountain]

do u know where the "w3" comes from?

[proven lantern]

look at all the templates that vercel has to offer

[hushed robin]

no

[lyric mountain]

www

[proven lantern]

use this one

[lyric mountain]

css is maintained by the w3 consortium

[hushed robin]

can i use chakra ui with sveltekit

[proven lantern]

no, that's a react lib

[hushed robin]

bru

[proven lantern]

but you shouldn't use chakra ui if you want to learn it yourself

[hushed robin]

are there ui libaries here

there seems to be this https://github.com/elcharitas/chakra-ui-svelte

[hushed robin]

i want to make a website

[proven lantern]

that could work

[hushed robin]

i don't care about styling things myself

fuck that

[proven lantern]

use vercel

[hushed robin]

ERRRRRRRRRRR

but

can i host a project for free

[proven lantern]

yes

[hushed robin]

with custom domain?

[proven lantern]

you can point a custom domain to it for free

but you need a domain first

[hushed robin]

yea

i have free domain from porkbun

[proven lantern]

vercel gives you a free domain to use while testing

[hushed robin]

🐷

[proven lantern]

i believe you

strangely enough

[hushed robin]

why wouldn't u believe me

porkbun is giving out free .dev and .app domains for 1 year

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[proven lantern]

do you have your vercel account yet?

[hushed robin]

yea

i made one

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hushed robin]

bro

u want link for free domain?

wait

is vercel a code editor?

[proven lantern]

nope

[hushed robin]

oh

bruh

[proven lantern]

isn't it great?

[hushed robin]

how do i take this test website down

[proven lantern]

yes

[hushed robin]

"yes"

[proven lantern]

42

[hushed robin]

"42"

[proven lantern]

i'm just guessing

[hushed robin]

bro what

[proven lantern]

did you hook up your github account to vercel yet?

[hushed robin]

yes

[proven lantern]

clone the repo for the test website

with git

[hushed robin]

first

tell me

[proven lantern]

not with science

[hushed robin]

how i can

[proven lantern]

i am

[hushed robin]

down the test website

😐

[proven lantern]

clone with git

[hushed robin]

no

[proven lantern]

step 1

[hushed robin]

how do i take down the test website

[proven lantern]

clone with git

[hushed robin]

i don't need it hosted rn

TELL ME

[proven lantern]

step 1

[hushed robin]

BUD

[proven lantern]

clone with git

oh do you want to know how to take down the test website?

step 1: clone with git

[hushed robin]

...

[proven lantern]

wait

[hushed robin]

fudge you

[proven lantern]

what test website?

the vercel one right?

[hushed robin]

yes

it's online

[proven lantern]

ooohh

step 1: clone with git

[hushed robin]

...

bro is a master annoyer

[proven lantern]

if you delete it then you dont have a project to work with

want to delete it and create it again?

you can delete by going to the project settings and scrolling to the bottom of general settings

[hushed robin]

your annoying

ok

what do i do now

git clone?

ok

[proven lantern]

wait!

not git clone

that will break everything!!!!

[hushed robin]

shut

up

[proven lantern]

oh wait, false alarm

it's okay

[hushed robin]

😐

[proven lantern]

open the project with your ide

[hushed robin]

yes i did

[proven lantern]

do you know how to run npm scripts?

run the dev script

[hushed robin]

yes

[proven lantern]

first npm install

then dev script

then localhost:8080

[hushed robin]

FORTNITE

[proven lantern]

then open src/app.html

[hushed robin]

why

'vite' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

FUDGE

[proven lantern]

vite?

[hushed robin]

yea

[proven lantern]

what have you done?

[hushed robin]

bro

[proven lantern]

npm install error?

[hushed robin]

BRO

thats what it says

[proven lantern]

npm start dev error?

when you run which command?

[hushed robin]

nvm

works now

[proven lantern]

yep, it's pretty awesome

[hushed robin]

uh

number thing doesn't work

[proven lantern]

you need to fix it

[hushed robin]

???

[proven lantern]

they put the bug in there just for you to fix

so you learn

[hushed robin]

cap

[proven lantern]

i think it's even commented

[hushed robin]

cap

[proven lantern]

wait it should just work out of the box

cap means lie right?

pretty sure

[hushed robin]

yea

[proven lantern]

dont say cap to me. i never cap

[hushed robin]

it's broken

how is the template broken

🤣

goofy product

[proven lantern]

did modify anything?

it insta updates

like magic

[hushed robin]

bro it's so slow

[proven lantern]

mine works

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hushed robin]

mine doesn't

i didn't modify code

[proven lantern]

localhost?

[hushed robin]

what

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hushed robin]

ben guide me

help me fix this

why is your suggestion brokenm

[proven lantern]

is it broken on localhost or the deployed website?

or both

and how is it broken

[hushed robin]

i fixed

i had to run preview version

why does it run ona random port

[proven lantern]

it used to be 8080

maybe it doesn't want to get in the way

[hushed robin]

now

i need to make my website

👿

this is the harder part

btw wtf is svelte

is thhis a new programming language i need to learn

[proven lantern]

means slim

no, it's a framework

it uses javascript

[hushed robin]

and why when i go in it

it looks like normal text

and not javascript

[proven lantern]

look for a plugin

svelte plugin

[hushed robin]

ok

that fixedit

it loads so slowly tho

it takes like a second or two to load

kinda weird

[proven lantern]

it had to parse everything

the ide builds an index

[lyric mountain]

The more plugins u have, the slower vscode becomes

[proven lantern]

once that's done it speeds up

[hushed robin]

not vscode

the website

[lyric mountain]

Ah, well, that's normal I think

[hushed robin]

like when i click a letter in this wordle thing

it takes a second or two to register

[lyric mountain]

Ur running in debug environment, so it's deliberately slower

[pure prism]

Hm

[lyric mountain]

Release is usually 2-3x faster

[pure prism]

A new member here 😉

[lyric mountain]

But not useful at all during development

I still think u should've started with html

[hushed robin]

well

bro

your not telling me a good starters guide

[lyric mountain]

W3schools, for the third time

[proven lantern]

just delete everything and start from a div

[lyric mountain]

W3 are the literal maintainers of css

[hushed robin]

hell no

bro this is too complex wtf

[wheat mesa]

“I need everything done for me and all the research to be done for me and all the code to be written for me 😢” - battleless probably

[hushed robin]

when i become a coding pro

i will make a framework better than all of these

[pure prism]

Can I change my nickname here ?

[hushed robin]

one thats simple and powerful

not like these confusing pieces of shits 😭

[wheat mesa]

💀

[pure prism]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[wheat mesa]

Yet another javascript framework that nobody will ever use™️

[hushed robin]

people will use mine

they will release you can do a lot with simple

[pure prism]

What yours ?

[hushed robin]

there is no need for this complex stuff

[pure prism]

-_-

[wheat mesa]

it’s not complex

[hushed robin]

it is....

[wheat mesa]

You just refuse to put in an ounce of effort to anything you do

[lyric mountain]

Never

[hushed robin]

i'm trying now

this makes no sense

[wheat mesa]

Everything is hard when you’ve been spoonfed your whole life

[lyric mountain]

Not with your 20-min effort

[hushed robin]

i will after 10 years

i will make the best website maker

[lyric mountain]

10 years * 0 effort is still 0 skills

[wheat mesa]

Considering you can’t focus for 20 minutes I don’t see how you’re ever going to get to that point

[hushed robin]

i can

but this is too complex for beginners

there's too much of a bump

[wheat mesa]

I thought you knew everything though

[hushed robin]

i've been coding for 6 months now but can't make a website

you see how awful this is

[hushed robin]

i never said this

when did i say this?

[lyric mountain]

Start with the damn html then

Which is literally the entrypoint for web dev

[hushed robin]

FINE

what is the thing called

wschool?

[lyric mountain]

W3schools

Or mozilla foundation

Either will have good courses

[hushed robin]

so

do i just go through

https://www.w3schools.com/html/

this entire thing

[lyric mountain]

Yes

[proven lantern]

but use the modzilla website instead

[hushed robin]

what

?

[lyric mountain]

W3 is great for html too

[hushed robin]

w3schools website looks so bad

[proven lantern]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn

[lyric mountain]

It doesn't need to be fancy

It needs to be fast

[hushed robin]

ok

putting it in dar kmode

makes it 23% better

[hushed robin]

but i will not do this right now

[lyric mountain]

Also remember u can test html/js/css on the browser

To see it applied in real time

[hushed robin]

i'm going to put my new cpu cooler in my pc

then i will do this

[lyric mountain]

It's easier than using an ide

[hushed robin]

where

[lyric mountain]

Just remember not to press F5

[lyric mountain]

Press F12, go to elements

[hushed robin]

theres no elements

[lyric mountain]

Inspector then

That's the page source code

U can edit it directly

[hushed robin]

hm ok

[lyric mountain]

For saving simply ctrl S

[hushed robin]

oh this is inspect element

i did this for trolling in school

[lyric mountain]

For html it works well because u can see everything happening without needing to build or anything

Also with 0 delay

[hushed robin]

how do i

insert new html

[lyric mountain]

I think some editors also have integration with it

[lyric mountain]

Right click, edit as html

[hushed robin]

oo

[lyric mountain]

U can also just open the html file

It's just text afterall

[proven lantern]

i would start off by memorizing all the html doc types

[hushed robin]

gold up

hold up

i can just steal websites?

wtf

[lyric mountain]

Technically, but not doable

[proven lantern]

you can scrape

unless Elon Musk throttles you

[hushed robin]

i just stole the w3schools website

[lyric mountain]

W3 uses static pages so u can, but for most sites they use apis and assets that you'll simply not have

[proven lantern]

that's when you scrape them

[hushed robin]

I see

some things on the website are weird

when I download it

but for the most part it’s intact

can you do html offline?

[lyric mountain]

Yes

[hushed robin]

so in theory I could download all the pages for this and learn offline

[lyric mountain]

Simply make a file called something.html

And write on it like any other code file

[hushed robin]

does JavaScript work offline too

[lyric mountain]

When u want to see the result simply open it in browser

[lyric mountain]

Everything on html works offline as long as u have the files

Actually, all langs do

[hushed robin]

wow

[proven lantern]

you need the express written consent from ESPN before downloading their website

[hushed robin]

why do we need internet then

[proven lantern]

nuclear war

[lyric mountain]

Because you need to be able to get the files

Without internet you cant access the site files

[hushed robin]

oh true

[wheat mesa]

no way this dude just asked why do we need the internet

[lyric mountain]

But you can definitely have an internetless internet

That's called intranet

[proven lantern]

the internet was made for nuclear war

fact

[hushed robin]

btw guys

[lyric mountain]

Some business use it for having a secure ambient for files

[hushed robin]

is using my old thermal paste ok?

[lyric mountain]

?

[hushed robin]

this is unrelated

I am about to put on my new cpu cooler

[lyric mountain]

Thermal paste is a silver composite, it doesn't go bad

[hushed robin]

ok

cus I thought this thermal paste and I still have some in the tube

[lyric mountain]

As long as the tube is properly stored and not punctured

Else moisture might get into it

Or excessive heat

[hushed robin]

what’s properly stored

I had the tube with its cap in the box in my drawer

[lyric mountain]

Is it capped?

And the tube still intact?

[tender rune]

Not under the beating sun 10hrs a day?

[hushed robin]

yes

[lyric mountain]

U can put a tiny droplet on ur finger and smear it a bit

[hushed robin]

yes and yes

[lyric mountain]

If it becomes impossible to remove for the next 2 hours then it's fine

[wheat mesa]

(Would not recommend this, pretty toxic stuff p sure)

[lyric mountain]

Nah, thermal paste is safe

Just dont ingest

[hushed robin]

what

it’s going to stay on my hand?

why would I put it on

[lyric mountain]

Thermal paste really loves sticking to everything

[wheat mesa]

Well yeah it’s essentially tiny particles of metal suspended in fluid

Sticks to everything

[hushed robin]

apparently tooth paste gets it off pretty well

[wheat mesa]

Old thermal paste is fine to use as long as it’s been stored properly, just make sure you clean off the stuff leftover on your CPU

[hushed robin]

oh yeah I gotta do that

it was annoying last time

[wheat mesa]

Alcohol wipe

Just use a few of those

[hushed robin]

can I just use some paper towel with alcohol

[wheat mesa]

Sure

Make sure it’s rubbing alcohol

Not diluted with water

[hushed robin]

ok

If my temperatures aren’t better I will be pretty mad

ngl

[lyric mountain]

You'll need to replace it every once in a while anyway

[hushed robin]

how often

[lyric mountain]

Depends on usage

[proven lantern]

here's why the internet exists.
https://youtu.be/jZJzNWOY0QI?t=54

[hushed robin]

I think the last time I replaced it was a little under a year ago

[lyric mountain]

Could go from 6 months to about 3 years

[wheat mesa]

It gets less thermally conductive with time

[hushed robin]

or a little over

idk sometime during last summer I replaced it

[wheat mesa]

I gotta replace the thermal paste on my laptop at some point before college, as well as slap linux on it

[hushed robin]

I also replaced my GPUs thermal paste

[hushed robin]

ew

why Linux

[lyric mountain]

Bought a maintenance kit a few days ago, waiting for my paste to be delivered

[wheat mesa]

Because performance

Windows sucks balls, I only use it on my home pc because it’s what I’m used to and allows me to play games without issue

For a college laptop I’m not gonna be playing games on, linux is going to be my preferred OS

[lyric mountain]

Ubuntu?

[hushed robin]

maintenance for what

[wheat mesa]

Yep

[proven lantern]

does ubuntu have that cube desktop thing?

[lyric mountain]

Notebook maintenance

[hushed robin]

what

why do u need maintenance for a notebook

u just write on it

[lyric mountain]

I'll ignore that

[hushed robin]

???

[wheat mesa]

Battleless try to use context clues challenge (difficulty first grade)

[lyric mountain]

Cube?

[hushed robin]

a notebook…